

Outside Ourselves
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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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May 11, 2023 • 1h 9min
Who's Afraid of Deconstruction? with Bruce Hillman
With Christian deconstruction on the rise, 1517 Scholar in Residence Bruce Hillman joins Kelsi to properly define (and defend!) deconstruction according to its original definition within postmodern philosophy. Far from a boogeyman to avoid, Bruce advocates that deconstruction can serve as a helpful tool within the Christian life, specifically when it comes to confronting sin and challenging preconceived biases.
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Show Notes:
The Thinking Fellows Podcast
The Gift of Death by Jacques Derrida
Mere Orthodoxy Article on Deconstruction and the Theology of the Cross
Exclusion and Embrace by Miraslov Volf
Who's Afraid of Postmodernism by James K.A. Smith

Apr 20, 2023 • 57min
Suffering and Grief with Sarah Condon
Sarah Condon is an Episcopalian priest, author, and co-host of the Mockingcast Podcast. In today’s episode, she shares her experience with grief and suffering after the death of her parents, and talks with Kelsi about how the gentleness of Jesus during times of loss changes everything.
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Shownotes:
Listen to the Mockingcast
Sarah’s Book, Churchy
Sarah’s talk on the death of her parents at last year’s Mockingbird Conference
That Succession episode
The Truman Show

Apr 6, 2023 • 1h 9min
An Intro to Christ's Atonement with Caleb Keith
Caleb Keith joins Kelsi to discuss Christ's atonement and the most common theories of the atonement, including Substitution, Christus Victor, and Exemplar or Moral. Caleb also reminds listeners that pitting these theories against each other is neither Scriptural nor helpful to remaining centered on Christ's death and resurrection for you. Caleb Keith is the Director of 1517 Podcasts and co-host for both the Thinking Fellows and Outlaw God Podcasts.
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Shownotes:
The Thinking Fellows Podcast
The Outlaw God Podcast
The Atonement: What is it And Why Does it Matter

Mar 27, 2023 • 48min
Jane Grizzle and Bodily Limitations
Writer Jane Grizzle talks on what the body’s limitations can teach us about God’s work for us, and how despite our suffering and brokenness, his promise to redeem us comes through the broken body of Christ. Jane is a writer for Mockingbird Ministries and writes about the intersect between theology and everyday life.
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Show Notes:
Read Jane’s writing at Mockingbird
Storymakers
Low Anthropology by David Zahl
Jane’s talk on The Grief and Gift of Bodily Limitations
Jane’s Book List:
Everything Happens for a Reason: And Other Lies I’ve Loved by Kate Bowler
Broken Body Healing Spirit: Lectio Divine and Living with Illness by Mary C. Earle
Being Human: Bodies, Minds, Persons by Rowan Williams
The Invisible Kingdom: Reimagining Chronic Illness by Meghan O’Rourke
Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body by John Kleinig

Mar 9, 2023 • 1h 3min
Phillip Cary and the Nicene Creed
Dr. Phillip Cary joins Kelsi to discuss his newest book, The Nicene Creed: An Introduction, which leads to conversations about the two natures of Christ and the importance of church tradition in guarding against heresies, among other topics. Dr. Cary teaches philosophy at Eastern University and is the author of several books covering both philosophy and theology, including Good News for Anxious Christians.
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The Nicene Creed: An Introduction

Feb 23, 2023 • 1h 3min
Robert Kolb and Two Kinds of Righteousness
Renowned Luther scholar and professor emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary St. Louis, Dr. Robert Kolb, sits down with Kelsi to discuss two kinds of righteousness (or two fold righteousness) and his latest edited volume, The Alien and the Proper: Luther's Two-Fold Righteousness in Controversy, Ministry, and Citizenship. Dr. Kolb provides some helpful definitions for what the Bible means when it comes to righteousness and how we should most often view God’s grace. He talks about how Martin Luther came to understand God’s passive righteousness given to his children through their justification in Christ’s work on the cross and our resulting active righteousness when it comes to serving our neighbors in this life. Kelsi asks Dr. Kolb why and how these two types of righteousness so often get confused for the Christian, and together they work to untangle the proper placement for each, landing squarely on the continual need to return to God’s word and our salvation given through God’s grace and mercy in Christ - apart from any good works we do.
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Show Notes:
The Alien and the Proper: Luther’s Two-Fold Righteousness in Controversy, Ministry, and Citizenship edited by Robert Kolb
The Genius of Luther's Theology: A Wittenberg Way of Thinking for the Contemporary Church by Robert Kolb and Charles P. Arand
Justification by Faith: A Matter of Death and Life by Gerhard O. Forde
Where God Meets Man: Luther's Down-to-Earth Approach to the Gospel by Gerhard O. Forde
Martin Luther’s Commentary on St. Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians (1535) transcribed by Students and Presented in Today’s English, trans. by Haroldo Camacho

Feb 9, 2023 • 50min
Jessica Thompson and the Love of Jesus
Jessica Thompson joins Kelsi to chat about her newest book, He Loved Them: Discovering Jesus' Heart for Seekers, Sinners, Doubters, and the Discouraged (and Other People Like Us), in which Jessica writes about the specific ways Jesus loved all types of people during his ministry on earth. Kelsi and Jessica discuss what these examples mean for us and those we find most challenging to love and how, no matter who we identify with, Christ's ultimate example of love for every sinner is displayed through his death on the cross.
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Show Notes:
He Loved Them by Jessica Thompson
Follow Jessica Thompson
Jessica's Podcast: Front Porch with the Fitzes

Jan 26, 2023 • 57min
Todd Hains and the Importance of the Catechism
Lexham Press associate publisher, Todd Hains, joins Kelsi in this episode to discuss his book, Martin Luther and the Rule of Faith, and the importance of reading and interpreting Scripture based upon the ancient catechism, or rule of faith. Kelsi asks how the catechism - comprised of the 10 Commandments, the Lord’s Prayer, and the Apostles’ Creed - came to be, and how we can assert it’s authority as an interpretive norm for the entirety of Scripture. Todd argues that it’s the generality of the catechism that, in fact, gives it specificity in our lives.
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Shownotes:
Martin Luther and the Rule of Faith: Reading God’s Word for God’s People by Todd Hains
Lexham Press Christian Essentials Series
FatCat Books
The Care of Souls by Harold Senkbeil
Christ in Calamity: Grace and Gratitude in the Darkest Valley by Harold Senkbeil

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Jan 12, 2023 • 54min
Chad Bird and the Faith of the Old Testament Fathers
Old Testament Scholar and 1517 Scholar in Residence, Chad Bird, defines the Christian faith as seen through the eyes of the Old Testament Patriarchs. Chad answers questions clearing up some of the most famous chronicles in the lives of Abraham and Jacob and talks about his newest book, "Limping with God: Jacob & the Old Testament Guide to Messy Discipleship."
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Show notes:
Limping with God by Chad Bird
Chad's Podcasts:
40 Minutes in the New Testament
Hidden Streams
Field Guide to the Bible
Read about Chad's son, Luke
Read about Chad's father, Carson
Follow Chad on Facebook
Follow Chad on Twitter
Follow Chad on Tik Tok
A Severe Mercy by Sheldon Vanauken

Dec 15, 2022 • 49min
Dan van Voorhis and the History of Christmas
Historian and 1517 Scholar in Residence, Dan van Voorhis, gives an overview on the history of Christmas covering everything from Santa Claus to Christmas movies. He talks with Kelsi about the underlying magic of Christmas and how, in freedom, Christians can celebrate both secular and sacred Christmas traditions.
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Show notes:
Listen to Dan's Podcast, Christian History Almanac
Dan's Christmas Playlists:
A Very CHA Christmas
CHA Christmas 2022