
Outside Ourselves
Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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Aug 15, 2023 • 56min
Christian Parenting and the Future of the Church with Melina Smith
As Gen Z and Gen Alpha grow into adolescence and early adulthood, what hope should we have for the future of the church? Founder and Executive Director of Storymakers, Melina Smith, joins Kelsi to talk about the Storymakers approach to teaching kids about the historical Christian faith through connection, empathy, and trust that the Holy Spirit works wherever God’s word is preached.
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Finding God in the Darkness: Hopeful Reflections from the Pits of Depression, Despair, and Disappointment by Bradley Gray

Aug 1, 2023 • 55min
Aliens and Christianity with Adam Francisco
In view of recent news events, Kelsi has Adam Francisco on to the theological implications of the existence of aliens and UAPs. Adam Francisco is Director of Academics and scholar in residence at 1517. He earned his DPhil from the University of Oxford and has two decades of experience teaching history, philosophy, and theology. He is cohost of The Thinking Fellows podcast, author of a number of books, articles, and translations, and popular speaker on the topics of Christian apologetics, worldview, and the religion of Islam.
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Return of The God Hypothesis by Stephen Myer
Escaping Eden by Paul Wallis
Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at All? by Jim Sire
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Jul 18, 2023 • 1h 6min
The Relationship Between Faith and Reason with David Andersen
Author David Andersen joins Kelsi to discuss his book, "What Can We Really Know? The Strengths and Limits of Human Understanding" and how the study of knowledge leads us to some inevitable truths about ourselves and the limits of knowledge, in general. The discussion then turns to the relationship between reason and faith and the assertion that, as Christian's, it important we recognize and use both.
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Jul 4, 2023 • 1h
The Limits and Expanse of Christian Belief with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson joins Kelsi to talk about her new novel, A Tumblin' Down, the good and bad of church community, and how the Christian belief isn't always best defined by our own self-reflection. Sarah is Associate Pastor at Tokyo Lutheran Church and the Founder of Thornbush Press.
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Jun 22, 2023 • 1h 15min
Living as Sinners and Saints with Steven Paulson
Kelsi speaks with 1517 Senior Scholar in Residence, Dr. Steven Paulson, about the somewhat understated and yet essential Reformation idea that the Christian is simul iustus et peccator (simul), or simultaneously sinner and saint in this life.
Dr. Paulson clarifies that the simul is not a matter of progress but instead the action of Christ separating two distinct wholes in us further and further apart. He also encourages the listener to practice ignoring what our feelings and actions as sinners tell us, while tuning our ears to instead hear and trust who Christ says we are as his raised-to-new-life saints.
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Jun 8, 2023 • 54min
The Art of Gospel Communication with Tanner Olson
Author and poet, Tanner Olson, joins Kelsi to talk about creativity and communicating hope. Together, Tanner and Kelsi discuss the difference between delivering the gospel directly and indirectly and the importance of both.
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Meditation in a Toolshed by C.S. Lewis

May 25, 2023 • 56min
Identity and Holistic Spirituality with John Kleinig
Theologian and Biblical Scholar, John Kleinig, joins Kelsi to discuss his book, Wonderfully Made, and the vision the Bible gives us for God's redemptive plan as a wholly physical, spiritual, mental, and emotional endeavor. He talks about the dangers in splintering portions of our humanness and discusses how he approaches healing from a pastoral perspective.
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Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body by John Kleinig
God’s Word: A Guide to Holy Scripture by John Kleinig
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How to Do Things with Words by John Austin

May 11, 2023 • 1h 9min
Who's Afraid of Deconstruction? with Bruce Hillman
With Christian deconstruction on the rise, 1517 Scholar in Residence Bruce Hillman joins Kelsi to properly define (and defend!) deconstruction according to its original definition within postmodern philosophy. Far from a boogeyman to avoid, Bruce advocates that deconstruction can serve as a helpful tool within the Christian life, specifically when it comes to confronting sin and challenging preconceived biases.
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The Thinking Fellows Podcast
The Gift of Death by Jacques Derrida
Mere Orthodoxy Article on Deconstruction and the Theology of the Cross
Exclusion and Embrace by Miraslov Volf
Who's Afraid of Postmodernism by James K.A. Smith

Apr 20, 2023 • 57min
Suffering and Grief with Sarah Condon
Sarah Condon is an Episcopalian priest, author, and co-host of the Mockingcast Podcast. In today’s episode, she shares her experience with grief and suffering after the death of her parents, and talks with Kelsi about how the gentleness of Jesus during times of loss changes everything.
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Apr 6, 2023 • 1h 9min
An Intro to Christ's Atonement with Caleb Keith
Caleb Keith joins Kelsi to discuss Christ's atonement and the most common theories of the atonement, including Substitution, Christus Victor, and Exemplar or Moral. Caleb also reminds listeners that pitting these theories against each other is neither Scriptural nor helpful to remaining centered on Christ's death and resurrection for you. Caleb Keith is the Director of 1517 Podcasts and co-host for both the Thinking Fellows and Outlaw God Podcasts.
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The Atonement: What is it And Why Does it Matter