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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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Sep 26, 2023 • 52min
Vocation and Evangelism with Loso
Loso is a hip-hop recording artist and one of the world's top battle rappers. He chats with Kelsi about what it looks like to be a Christian within the world of battle rap, the importance of authentic relationships when it comes to evangelism, and how vocation doesn't always include having a five year plan for your life.
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Sep 12, 2023 • 58min
The Doctrine of Creation with Lydia Jaeger
Dr. Lydia Jaeger discusses her book, Ordinary Splendor, with Kelsi and the implications of the doctrine of creation for the Christian's life. She answers Kelsi's questions about why a Biblical doctrine of creation is helpful and necessary for understanding who God is and what good gifts he gives us.
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Aug 29, 2023 • 1h 6min
Mental Illness and the Gospel with John Bryant
This week’s episode is a conversation between author John Bryant and Kelsi about John’s new book (out in September), A Quiet Mind to Suffer With: Mental Illness, Trauma, and the Death of Christ. John writes about what Christ’s suffering on the cross means for his own suffering with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). He talks to Kelsi about why he decided to write the book and how healing and recovery don’t always look like we would like and yet how we can rely on Christ’s mercy to be present for us all the same.
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Aug 15, 2023 • 56min
Christian Parenting and the Future of the Church with Melina Smith
As Gen Z and Gen Alpha grow into adolescence and early adulthood, what hope should we have for the future of the church? Founder and Executive Director of Storymakers, Melina Smith, joins Kelsi to talk about the Storymakers approach to teaching kids about the historical Christian faith through connection, empathy, and trust that the Holy Spirit works wherever God’s word is preached.
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Finding God in the Darkness: Hopeful Reflections from the Pits of Depression, Despair, and Disappointment by Bradley Gray

Aug 1, 2023 • 55min
Aliens and Christianity with Adam Francisco
In view of recent news events, Kelsi has Adam Francisco on to the theological implications of the existence of aliens and UAPs. Adam Francisco is Director of Academics and scholar in residence at 1517. He earned his DPhil from the University of Oxford and has two decades of experience teaching history, philosophy, and theology. He is cohost of The Thinking Fellows podcast, author of a number of books, articles, and translations, and popular speaker on the topics of Christian apologetics, worldview, and the religion of Islam.
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Return of The God Hypothesis by Stephen Myer
Escaping Eden by Paul Wallis
Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at All? by Jim Sire
"C.S. Lewis Warned Us About Close Encounters of the Evangelical Kind" by Aaron Earls in Christianity
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Jul 18, 2023 • 1h 6min
The Relationship Between Faith and Reason with David Andersen
Author David Andersen joins Kelsi to discuss his book, "What Can We Really Know? The Strengths and Limits of Human Understanding" and how the study of knowledge leads us to some inevitable truths about ourselves and the limits of knowledge, in general. The discussion then turns to the relationship between reason and faith and the assertion that, as Christian's, it important we recognize and use both.
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Faithless to Fearless by David Andersen

Jul 4, 2023 • 1h
The Limits and Expanse of Christian Belief with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson joins Kelsi to talk about her new novel, A Tumblin' Down, the good and bad of church community, and how the Christian belief isn't always best defined by our own self-reflection. Sarah is Associate Pastor at Tokyo Lutheran Church and the Founder of Thornbush Press.
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Queen of the Sciences: Conversations between a Theologian and Her Dad
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Jun 22, 2023 • 1h 15min
Living as Sinners and Saints with Steven Paulson
Kelsi chats with Dr. Steven Paulson, a 1517 Senior Scholar in Residence and Lutheran pastor, who delves into the Reformation concept of being simultaneously sinner and saint. He challenges listeners to distinguish between their feelings as sinners and their identity as saints through Christ. Dr. Paulson reflects on his journey from engineering to theology, exploring the transformative power of faith and the importance of grounding one’s identity in God’s word. Also discussed are the complexities of emotional suppression in faith communities and the liberating teachings of Jesus.

Jun 8, 2023 • 54min
The Art of Gospel Communication with Tanner Olson
Author and poet, Tanner Olson, joins Kelsi to talk about creativity and communicating hope. Together, Tanner and Kelsi discuss the difference between delivering the gospel directly and indirectly and the importance of both.
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Meditation in a Toolshed by C.S. Lewis

May 25, 2023 • 56min
Identity and Holistic Spirituality with John Kleinig
Theologian and Biblical Scholar, John Kleinig, joins Kelsi to discuss his book, Wonderfully Made, and the vision the Bible gives us for God's redemptive plan as a wholly physical, spiritual, mental, and emotional endeavor. He talks about the dangers in splintering portions of our humanness and discusses how he approaches healing from a pastoral perspective.
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Wonderfully Made: A Protestant Theology of the Body by John Kleinig
God’s Word: A Guide to Holy Scripture by John Kleinig
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How to Do Things with Words by John Austin