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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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Aug 20, 2024 • 1h 8min
Deborah and the Book of Judges with Sandra Richter
Kelsi is joined by Sandra Richter to discuss the portrayal of women throughout the Old Testament before honing in on the story of Deborah in Judges 4-5, specifically. Kelsi asks Dr. Richter questions about viewing Deborah’s leadership as normative, and the role and office of prophet and prophetess throughout Scripture. Together, the two discuss the good news within the darkness of Judges and the Christocentric end to Deborah and Barak’s battle and victory against Sisera.
The Gundry Chair of Biblical Studies at Westmont College and a graduate of Harvard University, Dr. Richter has dedicated her career to making Scripture accessible andrelevant to contemporary audiences. She has applied her many years in the classroom, her technical research, and her years of archaeological experience to writing books and Bible studies and creating videos that bring the Bible to life for the current generation.
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The Epic of Eden: Deborah - Unlikely Heroes and the Book of Judges
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Does the Old Testament Dehumanize Women?

Aug 8, 2024 • 1h 10min
American and Charismatic Christianity with Andy Squyres
In this conversation with musician and writer, Andy Squyres, Kelsi asks about Andy's theological background and why he remains a Charismatic Christian. The two talk about some of the pros and cons of the Charismatic movement, the affects of deconstruction, and their hope for the future of Christianity in America.
Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
04:00 Andy’s Background
11:30 The grace doorway
16:00 What can the High Church learn from Charismatics?
24:00 The impact of low anthropology on Andy’s humor
34:00 Barriers in American Christianity
41:00 Christ as Reality
45:00 A Post-Christian Era?
52:00 The freedom of vocation
56:00 Andy’s writing
1:00:00 The gut feeling of assurance
1:02:30 The people of perpetual disappointment
1:07:30 Wrapping up and Poet Priest Volume 3
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Jul 23, 2024 • 1h 3min
Navigating Theology and Marriage with Doug Klembara
Kelsi and her husband, Doug Klembara, share how they navigated their theological differences in the early days of marriage. Together, they recount some of the major disagreements they had and how looking at Scripture and seeking out wise counsel eventually lead them to a place of agreement that has had an impact not only on their marriage, but their vocations and parenting.
Doug is an entrepreneur and the Creative Director at 1517.
Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
06:45 Why this episode?
10:00 Doug’s theological background
18:00 Kelsi’s theological background
22:30 Differences coming to a head
28:30 Helpful influences
32:40 The distinction between law and gospel
35:00 Baptism’s Connection to Predestination
40:00 The Gifts of Scripture and Curiosity
43:00 Differences in Worship
48:00 Unreasonable Hospitality
52:20 Christocentric Theology
55:00 Why we go to a Lutheran Church
57:15 Impact of theology on our parenting
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Unreasonable Hospitality

Jul 9, 2024 • 53min
The Authority of Scripture with Jacob Smith
Kelsi chats with the Reverend Jacob Smith about the authority of Scripture - how we define it and what it means for us - both Christian and non-Christian. Jacob works to define Scripture as authoritative not because it's a handbook for better living, but because it reveals Christ crucified for your sins. The two chat about Jacob's background, how he came into ministry, and the role evidential and legal apologetics have played for him personally, and end on the comfort that comes from proclaiming a good news and truth that's success isn't dependent on us as it's messengers.
The Reverend Jacob Smith is the Rector of Calvary - St. George. Jake was born on the Navajo Reservation and was raised in Yuma, Arizona. He graduated from the University of Arizona in 2000 with a BA in History, with an emphasis in Near Eastern Studies. He received his M. Div from Trinity Episcopal in May, 2006. Jacob was ordained to the diaconate on June 3, 2006 in the Episcopal Diocese of San Diego, and ordained a presbyter at Calvary Church on December 3, 2006.
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Alan Noble's article, "Let the Cultural Christians Come unto Jesus"

Jul 5, 2024 • 43min
Bonus Episode: Hitchhiking with Prophets with Chad Bird
In this bonus episode, Chad Bird joins Kelsi in person to discuss his newest book, Hitchhiking with Prophets: A Ride through the Salvation Story of the Old Testament, which is out next week!
Hitchhiking with Prophets follows the characters of the Old Testament as they guide us to Christ. Kelsi and Chad talk about why Chad wrote this book, who the book is for, and what he hopes to leave readers with.
Chad Bird is a Scholar in Residence at 1517. He has served as a pastor, professor, and guest lecturer in Old Testament and Hebrew. He holds master's degrees from Concordia Theological Seminary and Hebrew Union College. He has contributed articles to Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, Modern Reformation, The Federalist, Lutheran Forum, and other journals and websites. He is also the author of several books, including The Christ Key & Limping with God.
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Jun 25, 2024 • 1h 6min
Finding God in the Darkness with Bradley Gray
1517 Contributor and pastor, Bradley Gray, joins Kelsi to talk about his incredible book, Finding God in the Darkness: Hopeful Reflections from the Pit of Depression, Despair, and Disappointment, and specifically, how he sees God responding to suffering throughout Scripture. Bradley asserts Martin Luther's theology of the cross as a helpful backdrop by which to view all human suffering, and specifically the suffering caused by mental illness. Kelsi asks Brad his opinions on a recent comments over mental illness from a well-known pastor and the two discuss both harmful and helpful ways the church can offer comfort to those who find themselves suffering bouts of depressions, despair, and disappointment.
Bradley Gray is pastor of Stonington Baptist Church in Paxinos, PA, where he lives with his wife, Natalie, and their three children. His writing and research are especially focused on pastoral theology and the theological development of the Reformation.
Finding God in the Darkness was named as a 2023 finalist in the New Author category of the ECPA Christian Book Awards.
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John MacArthur on mental illness
Theology of the Cross: Luther's Heidelberg Disputation & Reflections on Its 28 Theses
Gerhard Forde's On Being a Theologian of the Cross

Jun 11, 2024 • 58min
A Theology of Relationships with Robert Kolb
In this episode, Kelsi interviews Dr. Robert Kolb about his newest book, Face to Face: Luther's View of Reality. In Face to Face, Dr. Kolb argues that Martin Luther's theology is underpinned by his understanding of relationships, both how Christians came "face to face" with God (Coram Deo) and "face to face" with the world (Coram Mundo). It's these relationships that give us reality itself.
Dr. Kolb is professor emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, Missouri, and a world-renowned authority on Martin Luther and the history of the Reformation.
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May 28, 2024 • 1h 11min
Boys, Men, and the Freedom of the Gospel with Anthony Bradley
Dr. Anthony Bradley serves as a distinguished research fellow at The Acton Institute and Research Professor of Interdisciplinary and Theological Studies at Kuyper College. He joins Kelsi to discuss his research, interest, and writing on the boy and man crisis and how he believes the Christus Victor articulation of the gospel – or Christ's victory over sin, death and the devil on the cross – has powerful implications for ridding men of shame and giving them a larger purpose to serve their neighbor.
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May 14, 2024 • 52min
Hope in Special-Needs Parenting with Celeste Shally
During a live recording at the HWSS NWA conference, Kelsi was joined by author Celeste Shally to discuss her book, While We Wait: Clinging to Christ in the Trenches of Special-Needs Parenting. Celeste details how her experience as a mom of Cooper, who has both autism and intellectual disability, has changed her view of suffering and vocation. She also talks about how special-needs parenting has highlighted God's grace and promises in the now and not yet for both her and Cooper.
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Apr 30, 2024 • 1h 3min
Encouragement for Motherhood with Katie Koplin
1517 Contributor, Katie Koplin, joins Kelsi to talk about her new devotional, Encouragement for Motherhood which is a compilation of devotionals for moms, written by moms. Kelsi and Katie talk about their experiences in motherhood, how mom's are often primed to hear the gospel and absolution, and how freedom in Christ allows moms to work in their vocation and love their children without looking for their ultimate value and righteousness in this good work.
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