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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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Jul 5, 2024 • 43min
Bonus Episode: Hitchhiking with Prophets with Chad Bird
In this bonus episode, Chad Bird joins Kelsi in person to discuss his newest book, Hitchhiking with Prophets: A Ride through the Salvation Story of the Old Testament, which is out next week!
Hitchhiking with Prophets follows the characters of the Old Testament as they guide us to Christ. Kelsi and Chad talk about why Chad wrote this book, who the book is for, and what he hopes to leave readers with.
Chad Bird is a Scholar in Residence at 1517. He has served as a pastor, professor, and guest lecturer in Old Testament and Hebrew. He holds master's degrees from Concordia Theological Seminary and Hebrew Union College. He has contributed articles to Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, Modern Reformation, The Federalist, Lutheran Forum, and other journals and websites. He is also the author of several books, including The Christ Key & Limping with God.
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Jun 25, 2024 • 1h 6min
Finding God in the Darkness with Bradley Gray
1517 Contributor and pastor, Bradley Gray, joins Kelsi to talk about his incredible book, Finding God in the Darkness: Hopeful Reflections from the Pit of Depression, Despair, and Disappointment, and specifically, how he sees God responding to suffering throughout Scripture. Bradley asserts Martin Luther's theology of the cross as a helpful backdrop by which to view all human suffering, and specifically the suffering caused by mental illness. Kelsi asks Brad his opinions on a recent comments over mental illness from a well-known pastor and the two discuss both harmful and helpful ways the church can offer comfort to those who find themselves suffering bouts of depressions, despair, and disappointment.
Bradley Gray is pastor of Stonington Baptist Church in Paxinos, PA, where he lives with his wife, Natalie, and their three children. His writing and research are especially focused on pastoral theology and the theological development of the Reformation.
Finding God in the Darkness was named as a 2023 finalist in the New Author category of the ECPA Christian Book Awards.
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John MacArthur on mental illness
Theology of the Cross: Luther's Heidelberg Disputation & Reflections on Its 28 Theses
Gerhard Forde's On Being a Theologian of the Cross

Jun 11, 2024 • 58min
A Theology of Relationships with Robert Kolb
In this episode, Kelsi interviews Dr. Robert Kolb about his newest book, Face to Face: Luther's View of Reality. In Face to Face, Dr. Kolb argues that Martin Luther's theology is underpinned by his understanding of relationships, both how Christians came "face to face" with God (Coram Deo) and "face to face" with the world (Coram Mundo). It's these relationships that give us reality itself.
Dr. Kolb is professor emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, Missouri, and a world-renowned authority on Martin Luther and the history of the Reformation.
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May 28, 2024 • 1h 11min
Boys, Men, and the Freedom of the Gospel with Anthony Bradley
Dr. Anthony Bradley serves as a distinguished research fellow at The Acton Institute and Research Professor of Interdisciplinary and Theological Studies at Kuyper College. He joins Kelsi to discuss his research, interest, and writing on the boy and man crisis and how he believes the Christus Victor articulation of the gospel – or Christ's victory over sin, death and the devil on the cross – has powerful implications for ridding men of shame and giving them a larger purpose to serve their neighbor.
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May 14, 2024 • 52min
Hope in Special-Needs Parenting with Celeste Shally
During a live recording at the HWSS NWA conference, Kelsi was joined by author Celeste Shally to discuss her book, While We Wait: Clinging to Christ in the Trenches of Special-Needs Parenting. Celeste details how her experience as a mom of Cooper, who has both autism and intellectual disability, has changed her view of suffering and vocation. She also talks about how special-needs parenting has highlighted God's grace and promises in the now and not yet for both her and Cooper.
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Apr 30, 2024 • 1h 3min
Encouragement for Motherhood with Katie Koplin
1517 Contributor, Katie Koplin, joins Kelsi to talk about her new devotional, Encouragement for Motherhood which is a compilation of devotionals for moms, written by moms. Kelsi and Katie talk about their experiences in motherhood, how mom's are often primed to hear the gospel and absolution, and how freedom in Christ allows moms to work in their vocation and love their children without looking for their ultimate value and righteousness in this good work.
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Apr 16, 2024 • 1h 6min
Preaching the Gospel Constantly with Haroldo Camacho
1517 Contributor, Haroldo Camacho, joins Kelsi to talk about how he found himself - without any previous background in Luther's works or Lutheranism - unexpectedly translating Luther's Commentary on Galatians in both Spanish and English. Kelsi and Haroldo touch on the need to constantly hear the gospel preached and the current opportunity to proclaim the gospel in Latin America and Central America - not simply as a conversion message but as both the central message of God's word for all people, in all circumstances.
Haroldo Camacho lives with his wife, Mercedes, and son, Orlando, in Davie, Florida. He obtained his doctorate from the School of Theology at Claremont in 1991 and served many years as a Certified Court Interpreter with the Judicial Council of California. He has translated Luther’s Commentary on the Epistle to the Galatians (1535) to both Spanish and English.
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Luther's Commentary on the Epistle to the Galatians (1535)
All Charges Dropped Volume 1
All Charges Dropped Volume 2

Apr 2, 2024 • 1h 9min
The Gospel According to Revelation with Erick Sorensen
Many of us stay away from spending too much time in the book of Revelation out of fear or intimidation. This is exactly why today’s guest, Erick Sorensen, decided to dive into the book and differing interpretations. In today’s show, Erick not only answers Kelsi’s questions on the various approaches to Revelation and Christian eschatology, but offers a guide on how to rightly read Revelation with Christ and his kingdom at the center.
Erick Sorensen is in charge of Church Partnerships in the Development Department at 1517. Prior to joining 1517, Erick served as a pastor for 16 years. He hosts the Law & Gospel Devotional on 1517’s YouTube channel, co-hosts the 30 Minutes in the New Testament and Field Guide to the Bible podcasts, and is co-author of Scandalous Stories: A Sort of Commentary on the Parables.
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00:00 Intro
1:20 About Erick
4:03 Theological background
7:20 The importance of experience in theology
8:55 Erick’s interest in the book of Revelation
13:05 Typical roadblocks to reading Revelation
15:00 Apocalyptic Literature
18:45 The first verse of Revelation
20:20 Two opinions on when Revelation was written
25:00 Four views on how to read Revelation
32:00 Three views on the end times
40:15 Literal or Metaphorical?
43:38 More background on Revelation
47:51 Tension between condemnation and comfort within Eschatology
52:30 The truth about the rapture
56:00 Trust not in princes
58:50 Who is the Antichrist?
1:01:43 The Good News of Revelation
1:04:50 More from Erick
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Mar 22, 2024 • 55min
Poetry, Lent, and the Hope of Easter with Rachel Welcher
Author and Poet, Rachel Welcher, joins Kelsi to talk about her collection of poems entitled, "Two Funerals, then Easter" in which Rachel shares personal stories of both grief and joy. Kelsi and Rachel talk about some of the characteristics of poetry, including honesty, double meanings and unresolved endings and how these characteristics often mirror both Scripture and the Christian life in general. Rachel also shares some wisdom on getting through Lent during difficult seasons in life and how Jesus' resurrection remains the anchor for her hope in this life and the resurrected life to come.
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Two Funerals, Then Easter

Mar 6, 2024 • 59min
Honesty, Humor, and the Human Condition with Andy Gullahorn
Kelsi chats with singer/songwriter, Andy Gullahorn, about his writing process and the impact of ending stories with the good news of grace and the gospel. She asks Andy about the role of honesty and humor in his music, and Andy talks about the important role community plays in his life as a source of both law and gospel.
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