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Resources Radio is a weekly podcast by Resources for the Future. Each week we talk to leading experts about climate change, electricity, ecosystems, and more, making the latest research accessible to everyone.
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Apr 23, 2023 • 34min
Environmental Education through the Smithsonian, with Carol O’Donnell
In this week’s episode, host Margaret Walls talks with Carol O’Donnell, executive director of the Smithsonian Science Education Center in Washington, DC, about educating students in kindergarten through grade 12 about sustainability and environmental issues. O’Donnell discusses how the Sustainable Development Goals, formulated by the United Nations, provide a global framework for youth education; how working with educational material in a local context can help students gain data literacy skills; and how the Smithsonian Science Education Center tailors curricula on environmental issues and climate change to different age groups.
References and recommendations:
“Data, discourse, and development: Building a sustainable world through education and science communication” by Heidi Gibson, Mary E. Short, and Carol O’Donnell; https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2023.981988/full
Smithsonian Science Education Center; https://ssec.si.edu/
Smithsonian Science for Global Goals Project; https://ssec.si.edu/global-goals
EJScreen: Environmental Justice Screening and Mapping Tool, from the US Environmental Protection Agency; https://www.epa.gov/ejscreen
“Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It” by Gale Sinatra and Barbara Hofer; https://academic.oup.com/book/39889

Apr 13, 2023 • 32min
Dancing toward Net Zero: Greening New York City’s Nightlife, with Amer Jandali
In this week’s special Earth Day episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Amer Jandali, founder and CEO of Future Meets Present and a consultant to the New York City Office of Nightlife, about climate solutions for the nightlife industry in New York City. Jandali discusses how major metropolises can promote sustainable practices in the service industry and advocate for climate policy, how the New York City Office of Nightlife is engaging nightclubs in climate efforts, and the climate solutions that the nightlife industry in New York has been pursuing to date.
References and recommendations:
“Climate Solutions at Work” from Project Drawdown; https://drawdown.org/publications/climate-solutions-at-work
“New York’s Scoping Plan for Climate Action, with Maureen Leddy” from the “Resources Radio” podcast; https://www.resources.org/resources-radio/new-yorks-scoping-plan-for-climate-action-with-maureen-leddy/
“Leave Looking Up” podcast; https://www.leavelookingup.com/
“Atomic Habits” by James Clear; https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habits
“We need the right kind of climate optimism” by Hannah Ritchie; https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23622511/climate-doomerism-optimism-progress-environmentalism

Apr 9, 2023 • 33min
Progress on Goals of the Paris Agreement: Do Recent Pledges Close the Gap?, with Lara Aleluia Reis
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Lara Aleluia Reis, a scientist at the RFF-CMCC European Institute on Economics and the Environment, about the extent of progress that’s been made internationally on climate goals that aim to limit global warming to below 2°C. Reis discusses the significance of the Conference of the Parties meetings in Paris and Glasgow (which were held in 2015 and 2021, respectively), how national climate pledges compare with the goals in the Paris Agreement, and how economic models can incorporate and inform climate policy.
References and recommendations:
“Glasgow to Paris—The impact of the Glasgow commitments for the Paris climate agreement” by Lara Aleluia Reis and Massimo Tavoni; https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S258900422300010X
“The Last of Us” television show; https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us
“In the Country of Last Things” by Paul Auster; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/301190/in-the-country-of-last-things-by-paul-auster/

Apr 1, 2023 • 40min
Getting to Yes: Building Cleaner, Faster, with Katie McGinty and Jim Connaughton
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Katie McGinty and Jim Connaughton about how to accelerate the permitting process for clean energy projects. McGinty is vice president and chief sustainability and external relations officer at Johnson Controls, and Connaughton is chair of Nautilus Data Technologies and a member of the board of directors at Resources for the Future. McGinty and Connaughton discuss why project delays are a central challenge in the clean energy transition, how clean energy projects can support environmental justice communities, and the types of permitting reforms that can help deploy funding for clean energy that’s available through recent laws such as the Inflation Reduction Act.
References and recommendations:
“Building Cleaner, Faster: Creating Permitting Systems that Enable Decarbonization Infrastructure Deployment” from the Aspen Institute, by James L. Connaughton, Katie McGinty, Brent Alderfer, Roger Ballentine, Donnel Baird, Dan Esty, Roger Martella, Manisha Patel, Nancy Pfund, Rich Powell, Bill Ritter, Emily Schapira, and Michael Skelly; https://www.aspeninstitute.org/publications/building-cleaner-faster-report/
“Termination Shock” by Neal Stephenson; https://www.harpercollins.com/products/termination-shock-neal-stephenson
Princeton faculty member Jesse Jenkins; https://cpree.princeton.edu/people/jesse-jenkins
Donnel Baird and BlocPower; https://www.blocpower.io/

Mar 27, 2023 • 35min
Shining Light on Clean Energy Workforce Development, with Adewale OgunBadejo
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Adewale OgunBadejo, vice president for workforce development at GRID Alternatives, the largest nonprofit installer of solar panels in the United States. OgunBadejo and Hayes discuss how an organization can recruit and train people effectively in the solar industry, how partnerships with organizations in clean energy industries can bolster workforce development, and how the clean energy transition offers important opportunities for positive socioeconomic change.
References and recommendations:
“Key Recommendations: Cultivating a Diverse and Skilled Talent Pipeline for the Equitable Transition” from the Interstate Renewable Energy Council; https://irecusa.org/resources/key-recommendations-cultivating-a-diverse-and-skilled-talent-pipeline-for-the-equitable-transition/
“National Solar Jobs Census 2021” from the Interstate Renewable Energy Council; https://irecusa.org/resources/national-solar-jobs-census-2021/

Mar 20, 2023 • 31min
Energy Transition in Canada’s Oil Sands, with Andrew Leach
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Andrew Leach, a professor at the University of Alberta, about the oil and gas industry in Alberta, Canada. Leach discusses how oil and gas are extracted in Alberta’s oil sands region, the environmental liabilities that result from this type of extraction, tensions between provincial and national leaders over environmental policies and emissions-reduction goals, how First Nations participate in the decisionmaking related to energy development, the energy transition, and more.
“The Patch” by Chris Turner; https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Patch/Chris-Turner/9781501115103
“How to Be a Climate Optimist” by Chris Turner; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/668167/how-to-be-a-climate-optimist-by-chris-turner/9780735281974

Mar 13, 2023 • 33min
Protecting Habitats and Meeting Net-Zero Emissions Targets, with Grace Wu
In this week’s episode, host Margaret Walls talks with Grace Wu, an assistant professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, about the intersection of land use change and the adoption and implementation of clean energy technologies. Wu discusses the impacts of land use change on species and ecosystems, the land use requirements of different clean energy technologies, and strategies that can help us meet net-zero energy targets while minimizing negative impacts on habitats and ecosystems.
References and recommendations:
“Minimizing habitat conflicts in meeting net-zero energy targets in the western United States” by Grace C. Wu, Ryan A. Jones, Emily Leslie, James H. Williams, Andrew Pascale, Erica Brand, Sophie S. Parker, Brian S. Cohen, Joseph E. Fargione, Julia Souder, Maya Batres, Mary G. Gleason, Michael H. Schindel, and Charlotte K. Stanley; https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204098120
“Clean Energy Solutions that Protect People and Nature in the West” from The Nature Conservancy; https://www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/tackle-climate-change/climate-change-stories/power-of-place/
“Does the world need hydrogen to solve climate change?” by Simon Evans and Josh Gabbatiss; https://www.carbonbrief.org/in-depth-qa-does-the-world-need-hydrogen-to-solve-climate-change/
“Carbon Brief” website; https://www.carbonbrief.org/
“How green are biofuels? Scientists are at loggerheads” by Dan Charles; https://knowablemagazine.org/article/food-environment/2022/how-green-are-biofuels
“Knowable” Magazine; https://knowablemagazine.org/

Mar 6, 2023 • 31min
An Environmental and Economic History of the Bering Strait, with Bathsheba Demuth
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Bathsheba Demuth, an associate professor at Brown University, about the history of the Bering Strait, which separates Alaska and northeastern Russia. Demuth discusses the ecosystems, peoples, and economic systems in the region and how interactions between Indigenous peoples and colonial settlers affected the local environment and social and political life around the Bering Strait.
References and recommendations:
“Floating Coast: An Environmental History of the Bering Strait” by Bathsheba Demuth; https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393635164
“Wolfish: Wolf, Self, and the Stories We Tell About Fear” by Erica Berry; https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250821621/wolfish

Feb 27, 2023 • 35min
Opportunities and Risks of Scaling Up Carbon Dioxide Removal, with Gregory Nemet
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Gregory Nemet, a professor at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, about technologies and natural processes that can remove carbon dioxide from Earth’s atmosphere. Nemet discusses efforts in the public and private sectors to deploy new technologies, benefits and costs of different methods of carbon dioxide removal, and the risks and challenges of using carbon dioxide removal to reach global climate goals.
References and recommendations:
“The State of Carbon Dioxide Removal” by Stephen M. Smith, Oliver Geden, Jan C. Minx, and Gregory F. Nemet; https://www.stateofcdr.org/
“Scrubbing the Sky: Inside the Race to Cool the Planet” by Paul McKendrick; https://www.figure1publishing.com/book/scrubbing-the-sky/
“Purple Mountains” film; https://www.purplemountainsfilm.com/

Feb 19, 2023 • 31min
How Can Disasters Damage Local Budgets?, with Yanjun (Penny) Liao
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Yanjun (Penny) Liao, a fellow at Resources for the Future, about the effect of weather-related disasters on local government finances. Liao discusses how municipalities, states, and the federal government provide disaster aid; how these disasters can affect tax revenues and the ability of local governments to provide community services; and how the fiscal impacts of natural disasters differ between higher- and lower-income communities.
References and recommendations:
“The Fiscal Impacts of Wildfires on California Municipalities” by Yanjun (Penny) Liao and Carolyn Kousky; https://www.rff.org/publications/journal-articles/the-fiscal-impacts-of-wildfires-on-california-municipalities/
“Extreme Weather Events and Local Fiscal Responses: Evidence from U.S. Counties” by Qing Miao, Michael Abrigo, Yilin Hou, and Yanjun (Penny) Liao; https://www.rff.org/publications/journal-articles/extreme-weather-events-and-local-fiscal-responses-evidence-from-us-counties/
“The Economic Incidence of Wildfire Suppression in the United States” by Patrick Baylis and Judd Boomhower; https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/app.20200662
“Social Vulnerability to Environmental Hazards” by Susan L. Cutter, Bryan J. Boruff, and W. Lynn Shirley; https://www.jstor.org/stable/42955868
“Devotions” by Mary Oliver; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/536247/devotions-by-mary-oliver/
“Silent Spring Revolution: John F. Kennedy, Rachel Carson, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, and the Great Environmental Awakening” by Douglas Brinkley; https://www.harpercollins.com/products/silent-spring-revolution-douglas-brinkley


