
Resources Radio
Resources Radio is a weekly podcast by Resources for the Future. Each week we talk to leading experts about climate change, electricity, ecosystems, and more, making the latest research accessible to everyone.
Latest episodes

Mar 20, 2023 • 31min
Energy Transition in Canada’s Oil Sands, with Andrew Leach
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Andrew Leach, a professor at the University of Alberta, about the oil and gas industry in Alberta, Canada. Leach discusses how oil and gas are extracted in Alberta’s oil sands region, the environmental liabilities that result from this type of extraction, tensions between provincial and national leaders over environmental policies and emissions-reduction goals, how First Nations participate in the decisionmaking related to energy development, the energy transition, and more.
“The Patch” by Chris Turner; https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Patch/Chris-Turner/9781501115103
“How to Be a Climate Optimist” by Chris Turner; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/668167/how-to-be-a-climate-optimist-by-chris-turner/9780735281974

Mar 13, 2023 • 33min
Protecting Habitats and Meeting Net-Zero Emissions Targets, with Grace Wu
In this week’s episode, host Margaret Walls talks with Grace Wu, an assistant professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, about the intersection of land use change and the adoption and implementation of clean energy technologies. Wu discusses the impacts of land use change on species and ecosystems, the land use requirements of different clean energy technologies, and strategies that can help us meet net-zero energy targets while minimizing negative impacts on habitats and ecosystems.
References and recommendations:
“Minimizing habitat conflicts in meeting net-zero energy targets in the western United States” by Grace C. Wu, Ryan A. Jones, Emily Leslie, James H. Williams, Andrew Pascale, Erica Brand, Sophie S. Parker, Brian S. Cohen, Joseph E. Fargione, Julia Souder, Maya Batres, Mary G. Gleason, Michael H. Schindel, and Charlotte K. Stanley; https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204098120
“Clean Energy Solutions that Protect People and Nature in the West” from The Nature Conservancy; https://www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/tackle-climate-change/climate-change-stories/power-of-place/
“Does the world need hydrogen to solve climate change?” by Simon Evans and Josh Gabbatiss; https://www.carbonbrief.org/in-depth-qa-does-the-world-need-hydrogen-to-solve-climate-change/
“Carbon Brief” website; https://www.carbonbrief.org/
“How green are biofuels? Scientists are at loggerheads” by Dan Charles; https://knowablemagazine.org/article/food-environment/2022/how-green-are-biofuels
“Knowable” Magazine; https://knowablemagazine.org/

Mar 6, 2023 • 31min
An Environmental and Economic History of the Bering Strait, with Bathsheba Demuth
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Bathsheba Demuth, an associate professor at Brown University, about the history of the Bering Strait, which separates Alaska and northeastern Russia. Demuth discusses the ecosystems, peoples, and economic systems in the region and how interactions between Indigenous peoples and colonial settlers affected the local environment and social and political life around the Bering Strait.
References and recommendations:
“Floating Coast: An Environmental History of the Bering Strait” by Bathsheba Demuth; https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393635164
“Wolfish: Wolf, Self, and the Stories We Tell About Fear” by Erica Berry; https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250821621/wolfish

Feb 27, 2023 • 35min
Opportunities and Risks of Scaling Up Carbon Dioxide Removal, with Gregory Nemet
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Gregory Nemet, a professor at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, about technologies and natural processes that can remove carbon dioxide from Earth’s atmosphere. Nemet discusses efforts in the public and private sectors to deploy new technologies, benefits and costs of different methods of carbon dioxide removal, and the risks and challenges of using carbon dioxide removal to reach global climate goals.
References and recommendations:
“The State of Carbon Dioxide Removal” by Stephen M. Smith, Oliver Geden, Jan C. Minx, and Gregory F. Nemet; https://www.stateofcdr.org/
“Scrubbing the Sky: Inside the Race to Cool the Planet” by Paul McKendrick; https://www.figure1publishing.com/book/scrubbing-the-sky/
“Purple Mountains” film; https://www.purplemountainsfilm.com/

Feb 19, 2023 • 31min
How Can Disasters Damage Local Budgets?, with Yanjun (Penny) Liao
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Yanjun (Penny) Liao, a fellow at Resources for the Future, about the effect of weather-related disasters on local government finances. Liao discusses how municipalities, states, and the federal government provide disaster aid; how these disasters can affect tax revenues and the ability of local governments to provide community services; and how the fiscal impacts of natural disasters differ between higher- and lower-income communities.
References and recommendations:
“The Fiscal Impacts of Wildfires on California Municipalities” by Yanjun (Penny) Liao and Carolyn Kousky; https://www.rff.org/publications/journal-articles/the-fiscal-impacts-of-wildfires-on-california-municipalities/
“Extreme Weather Events and Local Fiscal Responses: Evidence from U.S. Counties” by Qing Miao, Michael Abrigo, Yilin Hou, and Yanjun (Penny) Liao; https://www.rff.org/publications/journal-articles/extreme-weather-events-and-local-fiscal-responses-evidence-from-us-counties/
“The Economic Incidence of Wildfire Suppression in the United States” by Patrick Baylis and Judd Boomhower; https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/app.20200662
“Social Vulnerability to Environmental Hazards” by Susan L. Cutter, Bryan J. Boruff, and W. Lynn Shirley; https://www.jstor.org/stable/42955868
“Devotions” by Mary Oliver; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/536247/devotions-by-mary-oliver/
“Silent Spring Revolution: John F. Kennedy, Rachel Carson, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, and the Great Environmental Awakening” by Douglas Brinkley; https://www.harpercollins.com/products/silent-spring-revolution-douglas-brinkley

Feb 13, 2023 • 31min
Environmental Justice and the Cumulative Impacts of Pollution, with Ana Baptista
In this week’s episode, host Margaret Walls talks with Ana Baptista, an associate professor at the New School in New York City and codirector of its Tishman Environment and Design Center. Baptista discusses the cumulative impacts of pollution on environmental justice communities; the sources of pollution in these communities; and the groundbreaking legislation and data tools that are being employed by state governments, researchers, and environmental justice groups to mitigate cumulative impacts in overburdened communities.
References and recommendations:
“Understanding the Evolution of Cumulative Impacts: Definitions and Policies in the U.S.” by Ana Isabel Baptista, Adrienne Perovich, Maria Fernanda Pulido-Velosa, Enrique Valencia, Marisa Valdez, and Jennifer Ventrella; https://www.tishmancenter.org/blog/new-research-understanding-the-evolution-of-cumulative-impacts-definitions-and-policies-in-the-us
Articles by Rachel Morello-Frosch; https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lSdMXgQAAAAJ&hl=en
“Toxic Communities” by Dorceta Taylor; https://nyupress.org/9781479861781/toxic-communities/
“The Quest for Environmental Justice” by Robert D. Bullard and Maxine Waters; https://www.counterpointpress.com/books/the-quest-for-environmental-justice/

Feb 6, 2023 • 33min
Hydrogen Fuel Technology, Policy, and Environmental Risks, with Aaron Bergman and Alan Krupnick
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Aaron Bergman and Alan Krupnick—both scholars at Resources for the Future—about the technology and policy landscape of hydrogen fuel. Bergman and Krupnick discuss methods of hydrogen fuel production, the raft of new federal policies that incentivize the production of low-emissions hydrogen and build up the regional marketplaces known as “hydrogen hubs,” why some communities oppose hydrogen development, and how hydrogen can contribute to global warming.
References and recommendations:
“The Opposite of Butterfly Hunting” by Evanna Lynch; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/677563/the-opposite-of-butterfly-hunting-by-evanna-lynch/
“Clue” movie; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clue_(film)
“Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery” movie; https://www.netflix.com/title/81458416

Jan 29, 2023 • 32min
New York’s Scoping Plan for Climate Action, with Maureen Leddy
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Maureen Leddy, who serves as director of the Office of Climate Change at the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. Leddy discusses the state’s recently approved Scoping Plan, which proposes strategies for meeting the state’s emissions-reduction goals that are required by the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act of 2019. Leddy reviews how the plan was developed, the community engagement involved in the development process, and specific emissions-reduction strategies that are outlined in the Scoping Plan.
References and recommendations:
“New York State Climate Action Council Scoping Plan” from the New York State Climate Action Council; https://climate.ny.gov/ScopingPlan
“Estimating the Value of Carbon: Two Approaches” by Resources for the Future and New York State Energy Research and Development Authority; https://www.rff.org/publications/reports/estimating-the-value-of-carbon-two-approaches/
“The Energy Gang” podcast; https://www.woodmac.com/market-insights/types/podcasts/the-energy-gang/

Jan 23, 2023 • 34min
Measuring Scholarly Diversity in Environmental Economics, with Neha Khanna and Nick Kuminoff
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with researchers Neha Khanna and Nick Kuminoff about the diversity of scholars in the field of environmental and resource economics. Khanna is a professor of economics at Binghamton University, and Kuminoff is an associate professor of economics at Arizona State University. Khanna and Kuminoff discuss the gender equity of authorship in environmental economics journals, equity in tenure-track academic jobs, how diversity in a research field contributes to the advancement of scientific knowledge, the state of the community of environmental economists, and prospects for early-career scholars.
References and recommendations:
“New Evidence on Diversity in Environmental and Resource Economics” by Nicolai V. Kuminoff, Katherine E. Ciaramello, Hanna M. Dooley, Martin D. Heintzelman, Neha Khanna, Lea-Rachel Kosnik, Lynne Y. Lewis, and Eric Trimble; https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/722907
“Don’t Look Up” film; https://www.netflix.com/title/81252357
“Is Climate Change like Diabetes or an Asteroid?” by Ted Nordhaus; https://thebreakthrough.org/articles/is-climate-change-like-diabetes
“The Three-Body Problem” in the trilogy of novels called “Remembrance of Earth’s Past” by Liu Cixin; https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780765382030/thethreebodyproblem

Jan 15, 2023 • 32min
A History of America’s Public Lands, with John D. Leshy
In this week’s episode, host Margaret Walls talks with John D. Leshy, an emeritus professor at the University of California College of the Law, San Francisco, about the history of public lands in the United States. Leshy discusses the legislation that enabled the creation and conservation of public lands, common myths about public lands, and how the government may open up public lands for mining or clean energy projects in the future.
References and recommendations:
“Our Common Ground: A History of America’s Public Lands” by John D. Leshy; https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300235784/our-common-ground/
“The Mining Law: A Study in Perpetual Motion” by John D. Leshy; https://www.routledge.com/The-Mining-Law-A-Study-in-Perpetual-Motion/Leshy/p/book/9781138951877
“End of the Megafauna: The Fate of the World’s Hugest, Fiercest, and Strangest Animals” by Ross D. E. MacPhee; https://wwnorton.com/books/End-of-the-Megafauna/