

The Fire These Times
Elia Ayoub
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
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Mar 14, 2021 • 55min
65/Shifting Towards Climate-Just Mobility (with Anne Kretzschmar)
Today we'll be talking to Anne Kretzschmar. She’s a coordinator with the Stay Grounded network which works on a global level to reduce air traffic and build a climate-just transport system. They recently published a paper entitled ‘A Rapid and Just Transition of Aviation: Shifting towards climate-just mobility‘ which was a big part of our conversation.
Topics discussed:
Social and environmental costs of airport projects
The problem behind ‘carbon offsetting’
Looking for just alternatives
Tackling tax exemption for aviation
How flying is already unjust
The problem of frequent flyers
Implementing actual limits (frequent flyer levee)
Europe’s lack of international booking for trains
Trains can also be a problem (example of Maya Train project in Mexico)
Wider question of asking what kind of mobility do we need and wand and how can we distribute it in a just way
Taking the topic of jobs and labor seriously
Impact of COVID-19 on aviation and what might come next
Degrowth
Change by Design or by Disaster
Green New Deal for Gatwick
How ‘bailouts’ rarely actually support those most impacted by industry losses
Alternative tourisms
The importance of internationality and the centrality of environmental justice
Supporting critical aviator workers
Airport-related Injustice and Resistance map
Recommended Books:
Vision on Fire: Emma Goldman on the Spanish Revolution
Re:Imagining Change: How to Use Story-based Strategy to Win Campaigns, Build Movements, and Change the World by Patrick Reinsborough and Doyle Canning
A Message From the Future II: The Years of Repair by Naomi Klein video by Molly Crabapple, Opal Tometi, Avi Lewis

Mar 7, 2021 • 1h 36min
64/In the End, It Was All About Love (with Musa Okwonga)
Today we'll be talking to Musa Okwonga. Musa is a writer, broadcaster, poet, speaker, musician. author, sportswriter, broadcaster and commentator on current affairs. He's also the first person to come on the podcast three times (twice here and once in the previous 'Hummus For Thought' one).
He most recently published a wonderful short book called "In The End, It Was All About Love" and published by Rough Trade Books, as well as "One of Them: An Eton College Memoir" published by Unbound.
You can find this podcast on YouTube too.
Topics discussed:
Brexit
Leaving home
Racism
The Holocaust
Being a migrant
European fascism
Living in the future
Visibility as racialised people
Ethics of taking certain gigs as freelancers
Going to Eton
The importance of doing therapy
The role of football
Books Mentioned:
The Three Mothers: How the Mothers of Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X, and James Baldwin Shaped a Nation by Anna Malaika Tubbs
Songs My Enemy Taught Me by Joelle Taylor
Brown Baby: A Memoir of Race, Family and Home by Nikesh Shukla
If you like what I do, please consider supporting this project with only 1$ a month on Patreon or on BuyMeACoffee.com. You can also do so directly on PayPal if you prefer.
Patreon is for monthly, PayPal is for one-offs and BuyMeACoffee has both options.
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Music by Tarabeat.

Feb 28, 2021 • 1h 17min
63/Queerness, Literature and Revolution (With Saleem Haddad)
Today we'll be talking to Saleem Haddad. He is the author of Guapa, the director of Marco and a 2nd time guest on The Fire These Times.
Topics discussed:
What constitutes queer literature?; Muhammad Abdelnabi; Ocean Vuong; James Baldwin; The Personal is Political; Pedro Lemebel; Israeli pinkwashing; criticizing the so-called ‘gay international’ by Joseph Massad; how ‘anti-imperialism’ and ‘post-colonialism’ is used by authoritarian groups and regimes including Hezbollah and Assad; Queerness in revolutionary settings (in the Arab-majority world); Revolutionary feminism; LGBTQ liberation and the Syrian revolution; being sensitive to authoritarian logic; queerness as a changing and developing identity; understanding social constructs.
Books/Works Mentioned:
In the spider’s room: a novel by Muhammad Abdelnabi
On earth we’re briefly gorgeous by Ocean Vuong
Go tell it on the mountain by James Baldwin
Manifesto (I speak for my difference) by Pedro Lemebel
Freshwater by Akwaeke Emezi
Cleanness by Garth Greenwell
The appointment by Katharina Volckmer
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Feb 21, 2021 • 1h 1min
62/ How to Limit Global Warming to 1.5°C: A Societal Transformation Scenario (with Kai Kuhnhenn and Linda Schneider)
This is a conversation with Kai Kuhnhenn and Linda Schneider. They recently co-wrote a really important and freely-available study exploring a Societal Transformation Scenario (STS) on how to limit global warming to 1.5°C.
Topics Discussed:
The importance of the study
The problem with assuming economic growth in studying environmental impact
The reliance on growth in Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports
Risks of geoengineering
Degrowth for the Global North
How the Societal Transformation Scenario (STS) differs from mainstream economics
The problems with uncritical techno-optimism
The risks of overshoot
Why Recycle is the least important of the three Rs: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
What about the Global South?
Addressing economic justice
What exactly does Net Zero mean?
Keystone pipeline
Exploring the possible
Having hope
Climate anxiety
Recommended Books
The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin
Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds by adrienne maree brown
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
Corona, Climate, Chronic Emergency by Andreas Malm
You can also make use of a really good FAQs section.
If you like what I do, please consider supporting this project with only 1$ a month on Patreon or on BuyMeACoffee.com. You can also do so directly on PayPal if you prefer.
Patreon is for monthly, PayPal is for one-offs and BuyMeACoffee has both options.
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The Fire These Times is available on Apple Podcasts, Anchor, Breaker, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Radio Public, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Castro, Vurbl and RSS.
Music by Tarabeat.

Feb 14, 2021 • 1h 1min
61/ A Class Analysis of the Arab Spring (with Anand Gopal)
This is a conversation with Anand Gopal about his essay for Catalyst Journal entitled ‘The Arab Thermidor‘ in which he presents a class analysis of the Arab Spring. We spoke about a number of Arab-majority countries but with a focus on Syria. We briefly mentioned Afghanistan too.
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Music by Tarabeat.

Feb 7, 2021 • 1h 20min
60/(Anti-)Fascism and the Future of Complex Warfare, Part 2 (with Emmi Bevensee)
Today we'll be talking to Emmi Bevensee again. They're a data journalist who utilizes a data storytelling approach to make complexity understandable.
Topics discussed:
Fifth Section: Eco-Fascism; the ‘Thanos’ tendency; Climate grief; Climate anxiety; Climate denialism; Manipulative algorithms; Network effects; Peer-to-peer technology; Gab; Alt-right echo chambers; Machine learning vs human moderation; Leftism in the 21st century; Anarchism; Post-leftism; Internationalism; Anti-authoritarianism;
Sixth Section: Mutualism; Currency; Capitalism; Economic Coordination; Iroquois Longhouse Systems; Tragedy of the commons (disproving it); Revealed vs Stated Preference; Reading authoritarian literature; Prioritising and Strategising within activism.
Seventh Section: Emotional Anarchism; Recommended books.
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Music by Tarabeat.

Jan 31, 2021 • 1h 12min
59/(Anti-)Fascism and the Future of Complex Warfare, Part 1 (with Emmi Bevensee)
Today we'll be talking to Emmi Bevensee. They're a data journalist who utilizes a data storytelling approach to make complexity understandable.
Topics discussed:
First section: Complex Warfare; Disinformation Warfare; Drones; 3D-printed Guns; Houthis and Saudi Arabia; Asymmetrical Warfare; Surveillance; Anti-authoritarian communities; Open-source intelligence (OSINT); Katehon; Russia; Complexity Dynamics; Pandemics and Viral Spreads; Ukraine/Russia/Syria.
Second section: 8kun; 8chan; 4chan; Gamergate; Gab; Parler; January 6 Coup Attempt; Jim Watkins; Ron Atkins; QAnon; Child sexual abuse (not in detail, just in the context of the Watkins family’s role in the online hate scene); Swarm tactics; BBC Eye investigations; Shabbiha; Mexican government, paramilitary troops and the Zapatistas; role of governments in conspiracies like QAnon; Kraken; Dominion Conspiracy; Trump; ‘Stop The Steal’; Cults; Hezbollah; “Q Clearance: Unmasking QAnon” podcast with Jake Hanrahan;
Third Section: Syncretism; Fascist entryism; Alt-Imperialism; Legacy of 2003 Invasion of Iraq on Campism; Boomer socialism; Answer coalition; Stop The War in the UK; Anti-semitism; Assadists; Hong Kong; Dugin and Duginism; Ajamu Baraka and the US Green Party; Code Pink.
Fourth Section: Syria; Living on the Turkey-Syria Border; No Fly Zone; Syrian Refugee Crisis; Lessons from the Syrian experience for anti-authoritarians; Syrian-related disinformation and authoritarianism; Libya; London Syria scene.
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Jan 24, 2021 • 1h 17min
58/ Democracy, Counterrevolution and the Rhetoric of Anti-Imperialism (with Rohini Hensman)
Today we’ll be talking to Rohini Hensman.
She is an India-based Sri Lankan labor activist and feminist and an independent scholar whose book “Indefensible: Democracy, Counterrevolution, and the Rhetoric of Anti-Imperialism” I’ve reviewed some years ago, and which will be the topic of our conversation today.
In that book, she argues that the apparent anti-imperialism of many self-professed socialists amounts to explicit or implicit support for totalitarianism, fascism, Islamist theocracy and, ironically enough, imperialism.
She goes through the examples of Syria, Iran, Iraq, Bosnia, Russia and Ukraine.
This has been a concern of mind for a few years now and I wanted to take this opportunity to bring it to a wider audience, so I invited Rohini on to explore how such a supposedly noble political position – anti-imperialism – can be so easily corrupted.
You don’t have to identify with any -ism to find this topic informative. You just need to be someone who opposes authoritarian politics.
If you like what I do, please consider supporting this project with only 1$ a month on Patreon or on BuyMeACoffee.com. You can also do so directly on PayPal if you prefer.
Patreon is for monthly, PayPal is for one-offs and BuyMeACoffee has both options.
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The Fire These Times is available on Apple Podcasts, Anchor, Breaker, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Radio Public, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Castro and RSS.
Music by Tarabeat.
Photo taken from ‘The Syrian People Know Their Way’

Jan 17, 2021 • 1h 18min
57/The Psychology of Silicon Valley (with Katy Cook)
This is the first episode of the year and I wanted us to start this year by talking about silicon valley. Now, I know that this might sound weird, maybe out of context even, but I think we've reached a point where we need to come to terms with the fact that we're all living in a world heavily influenced by what we usually call Big Tech. So Amazon, Apple, Google, Facebook and Microsoft, but we can also include other giants such as Twitter and, of course, subsidiaries of these giants, such as Instagram, YouTube, Whatsapp and so on.
If you're listening from the US, you're likely very aware by now of what happens when authoritarian actors take advantage of certain designs on websites and apps like Facebook and YouTube. The fascists who stormed the Capitol on January 6th were undoubtedly radicalized on social media, with the help of Trump, himself addicted to Twitter, and the people around him.
But this conversation focuses on another angle, and it goes beyond just social media. I spoke to Katy Cook about her book "the psychology of silicon valley: ethical threats and emotional unintelligence in the tech industry". This book offers a revealing look inside the mind of the world's most influential industry and how the identity, culture, myths and motivations of Big Tech are harming society. Katy walks us through the psychological landscape of Silicon Valley, including its leadership, ethical, and cultural problems - as well as what to do about them.
Although US-focused at times, this is not a conversation about that country only. In fact, I bring up the UK and the Middle East as part of my own experience with the effects of social media and the tech giants.I will be having more of these conversations in the near future as I myself dig deeper into the philosophy and politics of Big Tech, and explore ways to approach the many-faceted challenges ahead.
This episode was first published on Patreon.com/firethesetimes
If you like what I do, please consider supporting this project with only 1$ a month on Patreon or on BuyMeACoffee.com. You can also do so directly on PayPal if you prefer.
Patreon is for monthly, PayPal is for one-offs and BuyMeACoffee has both options.
If you can’t donate anything, you can still support this project by sharing with your friends and leaving a review wherever you get your podcasts!
The Fire These Times is available on Apple Podcasts, Anchor, Breaker, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Radio Public, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Castro and RSS.
Music by Tarabeat.

Dec 14, 2020 • 1h 45min
56/A Region in Revolt: The Uprisings in Algeria, Sudan, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran (Book Launch)
This is the audio version of the virtual book launch of 'A region in revolt: Mapping the recent uprisings in North Africa and West Asia'. I took part in it alongside a number of the co-authors of the book.
See you all in 2021. The Fire These Times will be back in mid-January.
A wave of mass protest movements has spread across North Africa and West Asia, including Sudan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon and Iran. The mass protests have much in common, from opposing authoritarian regimes and worsening economic situations to demanding radical changes in social relations. Despite their similarities, each protest movement operates under different conditions that cannot be ignored. The specific historic, political and economic contexts of each country have determined who the key actors of the uprisings are and their location across old and new divides. This book elaborates on these similarities and differences to paint a clearer picture of these movements and draw out lessons to inform future struggles.
Edited by Jade Saab, a Lebanese/Canadian Researcher at the University of Glasgow, the contributors include Azza Mustafa and Sara Abbas (on Sudan); Hamza Hamouchene and Selma Oumari (on Algeria); Zeidon Alkinani (on Iraq); Jade Saab and Joey Ayoub (on Lebanon); and Frieda Afary (on Iran).
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Music by Tarabeat.
Tags: African, Decolonisation, Economic Conditions, Imperialism, Leftism, Political Freedom & Security, Political Science, Protest, Racism, Revolutions, Social Science