

The Fire These Times
Elia Ayoub
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
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May 21, 2021 • 1h 18min
Special Episode: Palestine and Global Solidarity
This is a special episode with Sumaya Awad and Shireen Akram-Boshar. Sumaya's the co-editor of the book "Palestine: A Socialist Introduction" which Shireen contributed to.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed:
Our relationship to Palestine
What triggered the recent brutalities and broader context
Connecting protests in Israel-Palestine with protests in the US (Black Lives Matter especially) and globally (Arab Spring, Syrian revolution etc)
Israel's ethnic cleansing projects
The youth-led resistance
Shifting narratives on Zionism and Israel in the USA
Reviving BDS
What progressives need to be paying attention to
Books Recommended:
Shireen:
Freedom Is a Constant Struggle: Ferguson, Palestine, and the Foundations of a Movement Paperback by Angela Davis
The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein
Islamophobia and the Politics of Empire by Deepa Kumar
A Woman in the Crossfire: Diaries of the Syrian Revolution by Samar Yazbeck
Sumaya:
The Ministry of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy
Smiley's People by John le Carré
Movies:
Qafr Kassem by Borhan Alaouié
The Feeling of Being Watched by Assia Boundaoui

May 19, 2021 • 11min
Intervention: Majed Abusalama #GazaUnderAttack
As he was talking to me Majed Abusalama's family was being threatened with airstrikes by the Israeli state.
Video interview available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE7il3GJRNI
Follow: We Are Not Numbers https://wearenotnumbers.org

May 18, 2021 • 1h 11min
[Repost]: Wretched of the Earth: Thoughts on Syria, Palestine and Discourse
In light of what's been happening in Palestine I am re-releasing my conversation with Mohammed Sulaiman from last year.
Mohammed is a Palestinian writer and researcher who grew up in Gaza and currently works at the University of South Australia.
The core of our conversation was Mohammed’s two essays for Hummus For Thought:
Wretched of the Earth: Thoughts on Syria, Palestine and Discourse (2016)
Israel and ‘The Right to Maim’ (2017)
Topics discussed: growing up in Gaza and surviving the Israeli wars and blockade; his and his partner’s difficult journey to Australia, himself via Israel and herself via Egypt; the Western Left’s failures on Syria and Bosnia as well as its relationship to Palestine; the dehumanisation of Palestinians and Syrians; Israel’s politics of domination; Israel’s ‘right to maim’ as inherent to colonial logic through Jasbir Puar’s work; and Palestinians being asked to show gratitude by self-appointed ‘saviors’.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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May 16, 2021 • 2h 20min
Special Episode: A Conversation on Israel-Palestine, (Anti)Zionism and International Solidarity
A conversation with my good friend Maya Schkolne on (anti)Zionism and international solidarity. Also: having multiple identities, Jewish supremacists in Israel, erasing the Nakba, apartheid (South Africa/Israel), and more.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
List of resources:
Jehad Abusalim's thread
Gaza march leader to conscientious objectors: ‘Turn your words into weapons’
Reclaiming The PLO, Re-Engaging Youth
The Holocaust and the Nakba: A New Grammar of Trauma and History
The Kahanist revenge song of a few days ago
Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism
Returning to Haifa by Ghassan Kanafani
Homegoing by Yaa Gyasi
Twitter list of Palestinian writers, activists etc
Sources for Updates, Resources, Info on Israel and Palestine
Palestine will not be liberated in isolation: a look back at the 2011 uprisings

May 9, 2021 • 1h 32min
74/ The Political Economy of Car Dependence: Understanding Systems of Provision (with Giulio Mattioli & Julia Steinberger)
This is a conversation with Giulio Mattioli and Julia Steinberger about their article ‘the political economy of car dependence: A systems of provision approach‘ published in the ‘Energy Research & Social Science‘ journal. We also discussed the topics below.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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Topics Discussed:
The five key elements of what we’re calling the ‘car-dependent transport system’: i) the automotive industry; ii) the provision of car infrastructure; iii) the political economy of urban sprawl; iv) the provision of public transport; v) cultures of car consumption
The problem with focusing too much on consumption and the importance of covering the production side
How where we live can influence our politics, and how suburban car-oriented lifestyles are actually subsidized by the state
The importance of network planning
Looking for decoupling and finding degrowth instead
The problem with ‘sustainable’ growth
How the car industry shows the necessity of degrowth
Why more equitable societies are easier to decarbonize
The problem with the argument that personal choices do not matter
Dealing with climate anxiety through activism, work, research, learning
How come we knew so much and did so little?
Working with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
What is ecologial economics?
Recommended Books
Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic by David Quammen
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
Decolonising the Mind: the Politics of Language in African Literature by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o
Less is More: How Degrowth Will Save The World by Jason Hickel
Degrowth / Postwachstum zur Einführung by Matthias Schmelzer and Andrea Vetter
Doughnut Economics: Seven Ways to Think Like a 21st-Century Economist by Kate Raworth
Music by Tarabeat.
Photo by Denys Nevozhai on Unsplash

May 2, 2021 • 1h 32min
73/ 1958: Re-imagining a Revolutionary Year in Revolutionary Times (with Jeffrey Karam)
This is a conversation with Jeffrey Karam. He’s Assistant Professor of Political Science at the Lebanese American University and an associate at Harvard’s Middle East Initiative.
He’s also the editor of the book “The Middle East in 1958: Reimagining a Revolutionary Year“, the topic of our conversation.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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Topics Discussed:
What was so special about 1958? Its legacy in the Middle East and the world
The formation of the short-lived United Arab Republic (between Egypt and Syria), the Iraq revolution, the attempted coup in Jordan, the slide towards more authoritarianism in Iran, the clash between the princes in Saudi Arabia, the collapse of the fourth republic in France etc
The internationalization of the region and the role of the great powers (US, UK, France, USSR)
History as non-linear, connecting different threads
Authoritarianism in the region and the role of the big powers
Asking ‘what ifs’ in thinking about history
1957 in Lebanon (the rigged elections with US support) and the 1958 events
A look into the debates on decolonization, revolutionary nationalism, internationalism, post-colonialism, imperialism, anti-imperialism and state formation
Lessons from 1958 for the present day, the example of Iraq
How hope is linked to the understanding of time
Upcoming book: The Lebanon Uprising of 2019: Voices from the Revolution, co-edited with Rima Majed
Learning about revolutions in revolutionary times
Book recommendations
Coups and Revolutions: Mass Mobilization, the Egyptian Military, and the United States from Mubarak to Sisi by Amy Austin Holmes
Oilcraft: The Myths of Scarcity and Security That Haunt U.S. Energy Policy by Robert Vitalis
The Politics of Art Dissent and Cultural Diplomacy in Lebanon, Palestine, and Jordan by Hanan Toukan
The Paranoid Style in American Diplomacy Oil and Arab Nationalism in Iraq by Brandon Wolfe-Hunnicutt
Winning Lebanon: Youth Politics, Populism, and the Production of Sectarian Violence, 1920–1958 by Dylan Baum
Banking on the State The Financial Foundations of Lebanon by Hicham Safieddine
Resources mentioned/that are relevant
07. Denying Genocide, from Halabja to Ghouta with Sabrina Azad
14. Revolution, disenchantment and the Lebanese New Left with Fadi Bardawil

Apr 25, 2021 • 1h 52min
72/ The Inherent Toxicity of France’s ‘Islamo-Leftism’ Obsession (with Rim-Sarah Alouane)
This is a conversation with Rim-Sarah Alouane. She’s a French legal academic, commentator, and PhD candidate in law researching religious freedom, human rights, and civil liberties in France, Europe & North America.
We spoke about a recent piece she wrote entitled ‘A Spectre in France’s Public Debate: Islamo-Leftism‘ for Reset Dialogues.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed
What the fuck is ‘Islamo-leftism’
How fringe conspiracy theories are being mainstreamed in France
The role of anti-American sentiments in propagating these phenomena
Understanding the specificity of French laicité/secularism
The youth being more comfortable with multi-culturalism, which is provoking a conservative backlash
The slippery slope of what’s being normalized (including security laws)
The links between antisemitism and islamophobia, in terms of political rhetoric especially
The legacy of colonial thinking
The personal cost of rising authoritarianism in France
Recommended Books
Islam, Secularism, and Liberal Democracy: Toward a Democratic Theory for Muslim Societies by Nader Hashemi
Illégitimes by Nesrine Slaoui
Les Incasables by Rachid Zerrouki
Episodes mentioned:
67/ Cultural Dementia: How the West Lost Its History and Risks Losing Everything Else (with David Andress)
69/ The Entrenched “Manliness” of Ethnic Power-sharing Peace Agreements (with Aida A. Hozić)
Music by Tarabeat.

Apr 18, 2021 • 1h 19min
71/ Bearing Witness to What is Lost: Lebanon’s ‘Postwar’ Hauntings (with Ely Dagher)
This is a conversation with Lebanese director Ely Dagher. He is the director of the Palme D’Or-winning Waves ’98, one of my favorite short films. He also has an upcoming feature film called The Sea Ahead.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics discussed:
Waves ’98
The image of the city
The 2015 ‘You Stink’ Lebanon uprising: context/background
The feeling of history repeating itself: Waves ’98 features the 1998 waste crisis which led to the 2015 waste crisis (which led to the uprising)
Inter-generational anxiety: ‘I don’t want to end up like them’
On resilience and why it’s a failed notion
The ‘ghostly figure’ in literature and movies, including in Lebanon
Haunting from the future, the feel of being stuck (permanent liminality)
The post-August 2020 port of Beirut moment
Interesting comparisons between Lebanon and Hong Kong, and their relationship with the past and future
How do we live day to day while also being in a state of anxiety? (his upcoming film)
How Beirut is portrayed in Waves ’98 and how Beirut has changed since the 90s
The relationship to the city and the sea in Beirut
Beirut as a ghost town
Hauntings in Waves ’98 and in real life; cyclical hauntings
Our peculiar relationship with Television
Our complicated relationship with the sea growing up in post-1990s Lebanon
The politics of decay (my essay on the topic)
war/post-war vs war/not-war
The anticipation of violence
‘wartime’
Is there a way out of that cyclical haunting?
Recommended Books & Movies
The Agony of Power by Jean Baudrillard
Persona by Ingmar Bergman
Caché by Michael Haneke
The music is by Tarabeat.

Apr 14, 2021 • 1h 26min
70/ (Post)Sectarianization: Mapping the New Politics of the Middle East (With Nader Hashemi & Danny Postel)
This is a conversation with Nader Hashemi and Danny Postel. We spoke about their book “Sectarianization: Mapping the New Politics of the Middle East“ as well as related topics.
Shownotes: https://thefirethisti.me/2021/03/31/postsectarianization-mapping-the-new-politics-of-the-middle-east-with-nader-hashemi-danny-postel/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/firethesetimes
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGE68ISVDHvj6DN2Zhucblg
The music is by Tarabeat.

Apr 11, 2021 • 1h 25min
69/ The Entrenched “Manliness” of Ethnic Power-sharing Peace Agreements (with Aida A. Hozić)
This is a conversation with Aida A. Hozić. She is an Associate Professor of International Relations and Associate Chair of the Department of Political Science at the University of Florida, United States. Her research is situated at the intersection of political economy, cultural studies, and international security. Her current research project explores interplays between feminist art, “manly” conceptualisations of warfare, and the growth of art markets in the 21st century.
A recent essay of hers, the focus of this conversation is: Dayton, WPS and the entrenched “manliness” of ethnic power-sharing peace agreements.
Topics Discussed:
The 1995 Dayton Accords and its context
The patriarchal aspect of these accords, and what they erase
The gendered impact of the accords
Women Peace and Security (WPS) Agenda: background and why it matters
Bosnia-Belgium comparisons
Bosnia-Lebanon comparisons, including looking at ongoing impacts of Ta’if in Lebanon and Dayton in Bosnia
How Bosnia influenced the 2011 Arab Spring and responses to it
The multiple Syrias, multiple Bosnias
What do we really mean by ‘intervention’ (Bosnia, Rwanda, Libya, Syria)
The work of Walid Raad
The work of Azra Hromadžić
‘Peace’ accords as ‘appeasing men who have guns’
The problem with simplistic ‘anti-imperialism’
How the EU sees Bosnia
‘Big powers’ politics
Fortress Europe and the ‘Balkan Route’
The relationship between ethnic politics, the National Action Plans (NAPs), and the implementation of the Women Peace and Security (WPS) agenda in the Bosnia and Herzegovina’s transition
How gender analysis also helps us focus on ‘who else is missing’
Recommended Books
A Lexicon of Terror: Argentina and the Legacies of Torture by Marguerite Feitlowitz
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
The Political Economy of Violence Against Women by Jacqui True
Resources I’ve mentioned:
Post-War Reconstruction in Contested Cities: Comparing Urban Outcomes in Beirut and Sarajevo by Gruia Badescu
Localise the Women, Peace and Security Agenda – WILPF