
Above Board
A podcast exploring running an indie + bootstrapped software (SaaS) company. Follow Jack and Paul (the co-founders) in their journey of building and growing Fathom Analytics.
Published every two weeks, listen in on lively debates about profit, customers, software, and how they’re working to keep their business in line with their values.
This is a podcast from Fathom Analytics (usefathom.com).
Latest episodes

Dec 18, 2023 • 18min
Version 3.5 and the shape of things to come with Fathom Analytics
Discussion of new features in Version 3.5, challenges in coding the UI, and the pricing increase. Development process of Version 3.5, release of interim version, and feedback received. Recent pricing adjustments and support for indie makers. Comparing website hosting and analytics in terms of costs and processing requirements. Analysis of expenses in analytics and sneak peek at Version 4.

Nov 14, 2023 • 24min
Dealing with negative feedback
What do you do when you can’t always please all your customers? Jack and Paul discuss how they deal with negative feedback, the different types of negative feedback, when it’s valuable (and when it’s not), and even how they deal with negative feedback internally in the company.

Oct 30, 2023 • 30min
SaaS founder time machine (questions)
Jack and Paul get into what’s going on inside Fathom Analytics right now, and then answer some questions about what it was like starting the company, what they’d do differently (or the same), and if there’s anything they’d change if they had to start Fathom again.Special thanks to Ben and Adam from the "Hackers Incorporated" podcast for the most of the questions answered on this episode.

Oct 16, 2023 • 30min
Vacations for bootstrapped founders
Can bootstrapped founders take time off for vacation? Is that even legal? And under what circumstances is that possible? Jack and Paul dive into vacations for indie founders, as well as a short update on what’s going on with Fathom Analytics on this episode of Above Board.

Sep 25, 2023 • 31min
Paul’s perfect day (for productivity)
Jack and Paul discuss Paul's routine for productivity, including prioritizing tasks and allocating time. They talk about the importance of being laser-focused and taking breaks when needed. They also explore their approach to motivation and setting artificial deadlines. Lastly, they delve into the concept of a perfect day for productivity, emphasizing the importance of separating emotions from work and executing tasks efficiently.

Aug 28, 2023 • 27min
Consultants for Startups
Is it harder for startup founders to hire consultants when they’re used to being the ones who do all the work? Why hire a consultant in the first place? Why not hire full-time instead? Aren't good consultants ridiculously expensive? Jack and Paul dive into these questions and more on this episode about SaaS companies hiring consultants.

Jul 31, 2023 • 1h 14min
Justin Jackson and Paul Jarvis chat about starting and maintaining a SaaS
Old friends Justin and Paul catch up for the first time in years and catch each other up on the state of Transistor and Fathom. They cover lots of lessons for new and veteran entrepreneurs, spanning their decades of experience in the world of indie software: cofounders, markets, surfing, experience, product moats, free time, the importance of putting things out there, and so much more.

Jul 17, 2023 • 32min
Is a lot of startup advice incorrect?
Maybe it’s not even that advice is “incorrect”, maybe it’s just that it’s simplified to the point of being uselessly reductive. Regardless, Jack and Paul get into dissecting popular business and startup advice found online, and see what fits, what doesn’t, and where nuance and reason should be liberally applied.

Jul 3, 2023 • 40min
What does retirement look like for a SaaS founder?
Can we retire? Do we want to retire? Can we adjust our work now (pre-retirement) to get the most out of life while we’re still young (ish)? Jack and Paul dive into what retirement looks like both for each of them, but also what their retirement from Fathom could look like too.

Jun 26, 2023 • 17min
What’s important when everything’s important in your company?
Jack and Paul get into a discussion about what happens when the company you started begins to do well, and you have to prioritize things that all seem equally important, and all seem like they need to get done at the same time. While they may not have any answers here, they do discuss what’s worked (and not worked) as far as Fathom Analytics is concerned.