

The Veterinary Project Podcast
The Veterinary Project Podcast
A show made by vets, featuring absolutely no pets!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
The Veterinary Project Podcast sheds no hair, just light, on the areas of life that we believe the veterinary community should have a pulse on.
From enjoying the good days in the clinic to handling the tough ones - from personal improvement to professional development - from managing your money to investing in your future, we provide a veterinarian's view on a life well-lived.
Join us every Wednesday for new episodes. Stethoscopes allowed, headphones preferred!
Episodes
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Sep 14, 2022 • 31min
Entrepreneurship: What's Working and What's Not
Like a couple of classic entrepreneurs fitting in a podcast episode when time allows, Dr. Michael Bugg and Dr. Jonathan Leicht catch up for an episode in the midst of the end-of-week push in their respective lives.
Fittingly reflective of the recording situation, Mike and Jonny take this episode to share insights from their entrepreneurial journeys - both their current struggles and current successes in their lives as business owners.
Talking points include:
Dr. Leicht's and Dr. Bugg's current areas of struggle
Recognizing when your team needs you at a different level
Learning to say NO!
The red flag of "busy"
Dr. Leicht's and Dr. Bugg's "what we're doing well!"
Outsourcing household tasks
Optimizing calendar usage
We're online! Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!

Sep 7, 2022 • 29min
Reminiscing on the First Year of Vet School
With the return of the school year and a new wave of first year's entering vet school, Dr. Bugg and Dr. Leicht take a walk down memory lane and reminisce on their first year experiences, including some insights on how to make this life-changing experience the best it can be.
Talking points include:
Why "the competition is over"
Bonding with classmates, pranks included
Learning doesn't just take place in the classroom
What's most memorable
Intentionally creating magical moments
We're online! Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 31, 2022 • 48min
The Promise and the Danger of AI
Ryan Appleby is an Assistant Professor of Diagnostic Imaging at the Ontario Veterinary College. He completed veterinary school and a rotating internship at OVC. He then completed an imaging internship in San Diego at and a residency in diagnostic imaging at NC State university in Raleigh North Carolina.
Ryan was boarded by the American college of veterinary radiologists in 2019 and rejoined the team at OVC at that time. His research interests include the use of artificial intelligence in veterinary imaging, clinical applications of advanced ultrasound technologies. He is passionate about teaching and started the website obivet.com in 2021 to provide global access to high quality veterinary educational content in a micro-learning format.
*Note: We recommend you take a quick read of the journal links provided below that are referenced off the top of the show!*
In this episode, Ryan and the guys discuss the impact of AI in veterinary medicine, veterinary imaging and clinical applications including:
What is artificial intelligence in veterinary medicine?
Explaining how AI works
Applications AI can positively impact
Driving forces behind the development of AI
Factors that we should be considering around utilization of AI
How can we prove AI validity to make it fit for practice
Is AI benefitting the patient?
AI smarter than human intelligence: yay or nay?
Deployment of AI in practice
Where can AI go from here
Journal links:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/260/8/javma.22.03.0093.xml
https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/ajvr/83/5/ajvr.22.03.0038.xml
To reach Ryan directly, you can find him here:
IG: @applebydvm
Twitter: @applebydvm
Ryan@obivet.com
rappleby@uoguelph.ca
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 24, 2022 • 53min
A Vet for All Seasons with Dr. Elliott Garber
Dr. Elliott Garber is a specialist in Veterinary Preventive Medicine and a graduate of Tufts University and the University of Virginia. He led and trained teams in clinical practice for eight years while in the military, including three years as veterinarian to the Navy SEALs and their working dogs. His science thriller, The Chimera Sequence, was published in 2015. Elliott built and sold an 8-figure e-commerce and marketing agency before joining Instinct to launch the veterinary industry's first electronic prescribing software.
In our conversation with Dr. Garber we cover:
Working as a veterinarian in the US military
Scratching the "animal" entrepreneurial itch, from e-commerce to software
What financial independence looks like for Elliott and his family
Putting the financial puzzle pieces together
Instinct Science - what is it, and why it matters
Transitioning into a start-up company as a DVM
Designing with ease in mind
What are the key features, advantages, and benefits of Instinct
Elliott's Impact Round!
Want to learn more about Instinct Science or connect with Dr. Garber? Here's where to go:
Online: www.instinct.vet
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elliottgarber/
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 17, 2022 • 40min
Dr. Tannetje Crocker Buys a Clinic!
Back again for another round with Dr. Tannetje Crocker and this time she has big news to share....She's become a veterinary clinic owner!!!
In this episode we hear all about:
How the opportunity to purchase a clinic arose
Why she made the decision to move forward into clinic ownership
Details of the deal and the clinic
What the due diligence of buying the clinic looked like
Negotiations
The freedom to take her ideas and run with them
Buying a veterinary clinic WITHOUT being the lead vet!
Making leadership decisions with the long-term vision in mind
Day-to-day priorities for the first year of ownership
Community support
Final thoughts
Thank you to Tannetje for taking the time to visit us again on the show, and congratulations on the great news!
If you'd like to connect with Dr. Crocker, you find her online at:
www.drcrockerpetvet.com
On Instagram and TikTok @dr.tannetje.crocker
We're now online! Check out our new website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info about the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 10, 2022 • 25min
7 Tips to Succeeding in Veterinary School!
With another school year just around the corner, Dr. Michael Bugg and Dr. Jonathan Leicht share their 7 tips to succeed in veterinary school on this week's episode.
Mike and Jonny highlight the following ways to make sure your veterinary school experience this year is a huge success, including:
Network with everyone
Collaborate over competing
Travel when opportunities arise
Lower your cost of living
Get out of your comfort zone
Revamping your study habits
Shifting perspective, quit striving
We're online! Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info on the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please follow / subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Aug 4, 2022 • 29min
Getting Started in Real Estate Investing as a Veterinary Professional with Dr. Michael Bugg
**DISCLAIMER**
The views and opinions expressed in this podcast do not constitute financial advice and are intended for educational and entertainment purposes only. What you do with your money is your responsibility and you agree any strategies undertaken are done so at your own risk.
In this week's episode, we're picking Dr. Michael Bugg's brain on how to get started in real estate investing as a veterinary professional.
With 10+ years of experience investing in real estate assets including residential and multi-family, Dr. Bugg shares on a variety of real estate investing topics to illuminate the possibilities for veterinary professionals who need to realize the importance investing will have on the quality of their financial future.
Topics covered include:
Dr. Bugg's evolution in real estate investing
Turning a lucky opportunity into an education
Real Estate Investing 101
Building credit (access to credit)
Accumulating capital for investing
Becoming an area expert
Be willing to ask!
Get educated, get connected
Learn how to analyze deals
Write offers
We're online! Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info on the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please follow / subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jul 27, 2022 • 32min
Celebrating 100 Episodes of the Veterinary Project Podcast with Mike & Jonny!
It has been 2 years since the idea of this podcast was born...and now...with numerous guests interviewed, conversations conducted, and experiences shared, the Veterinary Project Podcast is excited to have reached a major milestone in the show's history: our 100th episode!
To celebrate this milestone, Dr. Jonathan Leicht and Dr. Michael Bugg have prepared 3 questions for each other, looking back on favorite moments, guests, episodes, and stories from the past 2 years, as well as looking forward to what our future has to unfold.
To all our loyal listeners, gracious guests, and support team, we thank you for making our run to 100 a huge success!
Here's to 100 episodes - and to the next 100 to come!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jul 20, 2022 • 1h 2min
Animal HealthLink is Transforming Telehealth and Triage, with Leilani Mustillo and Sean Neate
When lifestyle changes forced Leilani Mustillo to consider leaving Vet med, she connected with friend and fellow industry colleague Dr. Sean Neate to discuss a solution to both the career changes she faced and an opportunity to improve Telehealth. After a couple long brainstorming sessions, Animal HealthLink was born, with the vision and mission to redefine the veterinary emergency and after-hours triage model and be the veterinary industry standard for triage.
Leilani, RVT CEO is a born and raised Albertan who completed the Olds College Animal Health Technology program in 2009. Since graduating, she has worked in specialty and emergency medicine in both nursing and management roles. Since 2015, she has been an instructor in Olds College's Animal Health Department.
As an advocate for RVT advancement, she has a love for mentoring and training those who are new to emergency and critical care medicine, with her favourite topic being emergency triage.
Sean grew up in Alberta and originally obtained a Bachelor of Commerce from the University of Alberta, but switched careers and graduated from the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Calgary. After graduation, Sean completed a rotating small animal internship at a referral institution in Calgary. After spending several years in referral and emergency medicine, he moved to family practice.
Sean is currently a practicing partner in a group of veterinary hospitals in Calgary where he enjoys a mixture of clinical cases and leading teams in their growing practices.
In our wide-ranging conversation with Leilani and Sean, topics covered include:
Leilani and Sean's career journey
Creating a new path to keep involved in the profession
Animal HealthLink's inception
The benefit of Animal HealthLink's services for veterinarians and clinics
Transforming the way telehealth is done
Working within the regulatory framework in multiple States and Provinces
How does Animal HealthLink work?
The fun of starting up a veterinary business - what it really takes
What's got Leilani and Sean excited for the company's future
Leilani and Sean's Impact Round!
Thank you to Leilani and Sean for joining us on the show!
To find out more about Animal Health Link, visit or connect with them in the following ways:
https://www.animalhealthlink.ca/
info@animalhealthlink.ca
@animalhealthlink on Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn
We're online! Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info on the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please follow / subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM

Jul 13, 2022 • 56min
Dr. Ryan Appleby: So Vet Med Needs to Change?!?
How do we create more conversation and drive positive change for wellbeing and self-care in our profession?
Dr. Ryan Appleby is one of the voices actively working to shed light on this incredibly important challenge our industry faces, and in this episode we're expanding the conversation in this area with him.
Dr. Appleby is an Assistant Professor of Diagnostic Imaging at the Ontario Veterinary College. He completed veterinary school and a rotating internship at OVC. He then completed an imaging internship in San Diego and a residency in diagnostic imaging at NC State university in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Ryan was boarded by the American College of Veterinary Radiologists in 2019 and rejoined the team at OVC at that time. His research interests include the use of artificial intelligence in veterinary imaging and clinical applications of advanced ultrasound technologies. He is passionate about teaching and started the website obivet.com in 2021 to provide global access to high quality veterinary educational content in a micro-learning format.
In our conversation with Dr. Appleby we cover:
Ryan's background and career to date
The impetus for, and challenge behind, releasing his "Wellbeing in Veterinary Medicine" blog post on Obivet
Why industry and organizations need to get more involved in professional wellbeing
External factors that inhibit self-care
Should clinics and corporations flow more money towards helping staff with self-care and wellbeing?
Organizational vs. individual accountability for wellbeing
Everyone needs to get involved in order to drive change
People first vs. profit first - should businesses adjust their models in order to address wellbeing challenges?
The "Perfect Practice Wish List" - Dr. Appleby's suggested solutions
Ryan's Impact Round
Check out Ryan's educational content online with Obivet:
https://obivet.com/
Twitter: @obivet
IG: @obivetce
To reach Ryan directly, you can find him here:
IG: @applebydvm
Ryan@obivet.com
We're online! Check out our website at theveterinaryproject.com for more info on the show, our hosts, and all things Veterinary Project.
If you liked the show and want to stay in the know, please follow / subscribe to the podcast on the listening platform of your choosing.
Want to join our community of like-minded Veterinary Professionals? Send an email to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com and we'll get you connected to our private Veterinary Project Facebook group.
Any questions, comments, feedback, or requests for guests can also be sent to theveterinaryprojectpodcast@gmail.com. Thank you for listening and we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday for another episode of The Veterinary Project Podcast!
- Jonathan Leicht, DVM and Michael Bugg, DVM