The Divine Council Worldview Podcast

Discover the complexities of Jacob's story in Genesis, highlighting his unique encounters with the divine. The discussion delves into the significance of his transformative wrestling match, exploring themes of faith and identity. The hosts analyze ancient interpretations of divine authority and the implications of the name change to Israel. They also examine Jacob's emotional journey towards reconciliation with Esau, underscoring themes of loyalty and personal growth throughout his biblical narrative.

In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the "Two Powers in Heaven" controversy that developed among Jewish rabbis in the early centuries after Christ. They begin by explaining how Judaism reacted both in favor of and also against the idea of Yahweh "sharing" his power with another being in the Old Testament. This then turns the conversation, of course, to the person of Jesus and how he was viewed by first century Christians. Was Jesus Christ Yahweh's "second power"? The conversation touches on relevant texts such as Daniel 7 and Exodus 24 before moving into key NT texts and their relationship to contemporary faith and theology. Resources mentioned: Two Powers in Heaven: Early Rabbinic Reports about Christianity and Gnosticism by Alan Segal Boyarin, Daniel, “Two Powers in Heaven; or, The Making of a Heresy,” Pages 331-370 in The Idea of Biblical Interpretation: Essays in Honor of James L. Kugel. Leiden: Brill, 2003 The Glory of the Invisible God: Two Powers in Heaven Traditions and Early Christology (Jewish and Christian Texts) by Andrei Orlov Israel's LORD: YHWH as "Two Powers" in Second Temple Literature by David E. Wilhite, Adam Winn Two Powers in Judaism in Second Temple Texts w/Dr. Michael Heiser

In this episode, Bryan’s story is one of resilience, faith, and profound healing. He candidly recounts the highs and lows of his life—from the challenges of childhood, through the grip of addiction, to the heartbreaking loss of his son, Wesley. His journey highlights how faith, supported by a loving community, can lead to recovery and transformation. Inspired by Dr. Heiser’s teachings, Bryan advocates for a church that embodies love over condemnation, emphasizing the unshakable truth that the divine image within us is never lost. This episode is an inspiring reminder that no matter your past, there is always a path toward healing and hope when faith and recovery unite.

The discussion dives into Jacob's transformative dream of a ladder connecting heaven and earth, symbolizing access between divine and human realms. They explore the concept of spiritual portals, comparing locations like Bethel to biblical narratives. The hosts reinterpret Jacob’s encounter with divine beings through a cultural lens, discussing the implications of divine hierarchy and authority. They also delve into the dynamics of Jacob's family, emphasizing Leah's faithfulness and her crucial role in forming the twelve tribes of Israel.

In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 27 and Isaac’s mistaken blessing of Jacob over Esau. They begin by noting the cultural significance of a father blessing a favored son, and discuss possible reasons for Isaac’s decision to bless Esau over Jacob. They then walk through the narrative itself, especially taking note of how Jacob’s decision to say “your elohim” to his father fit the theology of his non-Yahwist brother. It is interesting that the Quran does not record this incident between the brothers at all. The conversation concludes with a discussion on Jacob's journey of faith and his tenuous path to Yahweh worship.

In this episode, Rich and Mel interview Dr. Natalie Atwell, a therapist and adjunct professor, reveals how she integrates the Divine Counsel worldview into her counseling practice. She passionately discusses her work in missions and caregiver ministry, highlighting the significance of understanding spiritual warfare and the supernatural when addressing trauma and mental health. The conversation explores cultural challenges in ministry, the impact of mysticism and superstition abroad, and the urgent need for the church to confront spiritual abuse and offer healing environments. Dr. Atwell also touches on loving others through disagreements, the rise of narcissism in the church, and the vital support needed for missionaries. Through her book, I Can Do Anything in the Right Pair of Shoes, Dr. Atwell inspires listeners to put on the armor of God, foster godly relationships, and embark on a journey to discover their true identity in Christ. Social Links: Mental Warrior course (for the $50 off) Website: mentalwarriorconsulting.com IG: instagram.com/mentalwarriorconsulting IG: @drnatalieatwell IG: @natalieatwellcounseling FB: https://www.facebook.com/AtwellCounseling

In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss Genesis 25 & 26. They open their conversation by mentioning the “two powers in heaven” idea that will be the subject of a future episode. They note that the genealogy of Ishmael plays a significant role in the Jew-Gentile divide throughout history. They also discuss the early relationship between Jacob and Esau, preparing to question which god these men worship according the biblical record. They conclude by exploring the themes of God’s involvement in human mistakes, the significance of name and their meanings in ancient culture, and the question of God’s knowledge of the future.

In this episode, Ronn and Mike consider Genesis 23 & 24, where Abraham puts his final affairs in order by finding a bride for Isaac. Throughout their discussion they explore the concept of the phrase “the god of” as applied to the stories of Isaac and Ishmael, the role of divine messengers during Eliezer’s search for Isaac’s bride, and the significance of Yahweh’s name and character for those who are committed to following him. In this episode, Ronn and Mike consider Genesis 23 & 24, where Abraham puts his final affairs in order by finding a bride for Isaac. Throughout their discussion they explore the concept of the phrase “the god of” as applied to the stories of Isaac and Ishmael, the role of divine messengers during Eliezer’s search for Isaac’s bride, and the significance of Yahweh’s name and character for those who are committed to following him.                           

In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the famous “Akeda” story in Genesis 22, where Abraham obeyed the command of God to sacrifice his son Isaac. They consider the theological questions raised by this story, such as why God would ask Abraham to commit murder—and why Abraham would obey. The conversation touches on the cultural context of child sacrifice and the evolving understanding of Yahweh’s character by those who are committed to worship him above every god. They also discuss the concept the possibility of divine “portals,” or specific locations where divine beings have made contact with humans. They conclude by wondering whether the substitution portrayed in the binding of Isaac is a symbol for Jesus’ death.

In this episode, Rich and Mel interview Fern and Audrey, who share their work helping survivors of trauma-based mind control, reflecting on their personal experiences and the impact of Dr. Mike Heiser's Divine Council worldview, especially through his books, *The Myth That is True*, *The Facade* and *The Portent*. They explore the complexities of dissociation, discussing how different parts of a person’s identity function and how to discern between dissociated personalities and demonic possession. Fern shares a powerful story about working with a survivor of satanic ritual abuse, highlighting the challenges of spiritual discernment. Throughout the conversation, they stress the importance of love, empathy, and understanding in the healing process, and the critical need for education and training to address spiritual abuse in churches.