Boundaryless Conversations Podcast

Today we’re joined by former guest Rob Solomon, a cofounder at DIMO, a blockchain-enabled IoT protocol for mobility. Rob’s background is in finance, investing, and organizational design. Most recently, he worked at Consensys, the largest Ethereum-focused development company, with a focus on finance, internal economics, and decentralizing the organization. Prior to that, he was at Vroom, a pioneer in the online used-car marketplace sector, and he began his career at the Downtown Project in Las Vegas (a spinoff of Zappos.com), where he worked on investments and implemented holacracy. Tune in to this episode as we discuss the latest developments in Rob’s work since his last appearance on the podcast, how DIMO is like building a city from scratch, understanding the main functions of an organization, and why the future is bright for DIMO. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/rob-solomon/ Key Highlights We Discussed > DIMO’s infrastructure and open-source technology. > Creating an organization with permissionless contributions. > The role of data unions in managing decentralized data ownership. > Defining decentralized organizing and DIMO’s ecosystem. > Redefining the thesis of ownership and incentives. > Raising capital for a Web3 project. To Find Out More About DIMO and Rob’s Work: > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsolomon1/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/robmsolomon > Website: https://dimo.zone/ > Application: https://app.dimo.zone/ > Documentation on DIMO and the token: https://docs.dimo.zone/dimo-overview/overview/what-is-dimo Other References and Mentions: > Software and Protocols for a New Way of Organizing — with Bryan Peters, Rob Solomon & Sascha Kellert: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/bryan-peters-and-sascha-kellert-and-rob-solomon/ > DIMO Podcast #1: Rob Solomon & Kacy Qua: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gno-bhNHxGk Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 17 May 2022.

Phoebe Tickell is a biologist and systems thinker developing methodologies and approaches suited for a better world. She is an innovator with a background in the biological sciences, technology, social entrepreneurship, and systems design. She left the scientific academy with the knowledge that an understanding of complex systems could be applied to real-world pressing issues and that bridges were needed to stretch from theory to practice. She works across multiple societal contexts applying a complexity and systems thinking lens and has worked in organizational design, advised government, the education sector, and the food and farming sector. She is a co-founder of the DGov Foundation – a community of distributed governance practitioners – and a member of Enspiral, a community innovating in decentralizing power and developing decentralized tools and technologies. In 2020, she also created Moral Imaginations to push the frontier of research and implement collective imagination exercises that inspire change and solutions for an era of unprecedented disruption and potential transformation. It’s clear that society needs direction when it comes to change, and in today’s episode we explore how imagination gives us the ability to think beyond traditional frames. Join us as we delve into training a new breed of activists, mapping unintended consequences, coordinating on a massive scale, and accounting for future generations in the choices we make. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/phoebe-tickell/ Key Highlights We Discussed > Why imagination has become central to building the future. > The moral elements of new ways of organizing. > How diverse teams or communities can work from shared principles. > The importance of staying connected to local communities. > Why coordination is not “everything” for DAOs. To Find Out More About Phoebe’s Work: > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phoebetickell/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/solarpunk_girl > Website: http://www.phoebetickell.com/ > Moral Imaginations: https://www.moralimaginations.com/ > Moral Imaginations Twitter: https://twitter.com/moral_imagining > Moral Imaginations Substack: https://moralimaginations.substack.com/ Other References and Mentions: > Indy Johar, A Development Future: https://medium.com/hub-engine/a-developmental-future-21bf6412625e > The Manifesto for Moral Imagination: https://medium.com/moral-imaginations/a-manifesto-for-moral-imagination-dbf62f0cb7aa > Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions — with Nora Bateson: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/nora-bateson/ > Daniel Schmachtenberger: https://civilizationemerging.com/about/ > Kevin Owocki, The Green Pill, with Phoebe Tickell: https://greenpill.substack.com/p/12-solarpunk-girl-phoebe-tickell?s=r > L. M. Sacasas – Building a Convivial Society: Autonomy, Tools, Scale, and Capabilities: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/ > MetaGov: https://metagov.org/ > Colony: Distributed Organizations That Actually Work – with Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/ > Samantha Slay, Going Horizontal: https://goinghorizontal.co/ > New Citizenship Project: https://www.newcitizenship.org.uk/ Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 19 April 2022.

Adam Jackson founded Braintrust — the world’s first user-controlled talent platform — which aligns incentives, removes expensive middlemen, and gives value and control back to talent and organizations. Prior to founding Braintrust, Adam co-founded Doctor on Demand, the popular video telemedicine provider, with daytime talk show personality Dr. Phil. Other notable ventures include DriverSide, a marketplace that connects car owners with mechanics, which was acquired by Advance Auto Parts in September 2011, and MarketSquare, the first online local shopping destination on the Internet, which was acquired by Intuit in September 2006. Adam is also a passionate angel investor in 100+ companies, including LTSE, SuperHuman, Filecoin, Binance, BlockFi, Automatic, Apero Health, Zenefits, and more. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/adam-jackson/ Key Highlights We discussed: > How the Braintrust model and its nodes work. > Rewarding commercial nodes. > The role of the non-profit foundation and association in the system. > Maintaining the coherence of Braintrust. > Investing in user-owned networks. > Current experimentations in the token economy space. > The societal impact of having a decentralized talent network. To Find Out More About Adam’s Work: > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajackson/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/adamjacksonsf > Website: https://www.usebraintrust.com/ > Braintrust’s Discord Community: https://discord.gg/rgUS9aHFCB Other References and Mentions: > Showing the way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust — with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/ > Braintrust: Fighting Capitalism with Capitalism, Not Boring with Packy McCormick: https://www.notboring.co/p/braintrust-fighting-capitalism-with?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web > Deep dive on the Fee Converter: https://medium.com/snowfork/introducing-the-braintrust-fee-converter-21be7c8af951 > Braintrust Academy: https://academy.usebraintrust.com/ > Kunai commercial node: https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/new-node-addition-kunai > Braintrust Etherscan: https://etherscan.io/address/0x799ebfabe77a6e34311eeee9825190b9ece32824 > Vitalik on quadratic voting: https://vitalik.ca/general/2019/12/07/voting3.html > Gitcoin: https://gitcoin.co/ > $100m investment round: https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/-100m-btrst-purchase > Dimo: https://dimo.zone Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 23 March 2022.

Today we find out how to bridge philosophy, psychology, and management science to understand how businesses can enable a "good society." We are joined by two experts in this field, Antoinette Weibel and Otti Vogt, to find out what questions we need to be asking. Professor Dr. Antoinette Weibel is a full professor for human resource management at the University of St. Gallen. She is President of the Executive Committee of the Institute for Systemic Management and Public Governance at the University of St.Gallen and a member of the Executive Committee of the Institute for Media and Communications Management and the Institute for Business Ethics. Her current core project, ‘Good Organisations’, examines how organisations can become better members of society. Otti Vogt is a disruptive thought leader with over 20 years of experience in implementing strategic business change in multicultural, complex environments and in crafting human-centric learning organisations. As COO and Chief Transformation Officer at ING, he led ING’s global digital transformation programme and oversaw operational service performance for over 20 million customers worldwide. He is also a certified leadership coach, associate of the Globally Responsible Leadership Initiative (GRLI), and was recently named a Top 20 Global Thought Leader on Agile. Tune in to this episode as we explore the power of framing the right questions, how we can enable each other’s flourishing, the role of high-quality relationships and active reflection – and why no single idea will solve everything. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/antoinette-weibel-and-otti-vogt/ Key Highlights We Discussed > What do we mean by doing ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in business? > The impact of plurality and multiculturalism. > The power of sociality and facilitating higher quality relationships. > Defining a ‘flourishing’ individual and society. > Balancing globalism vs. community and landscape. To Find Out More About Otti and Antoinette’s Work: > Otti’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ottivogt > Otti’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/Otti_Vogt > Antoinette’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/antoinette-weibel/ > Antoinette’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/antoinetteprof > Website: https://goodorganisations.com/ Other References and Mentions: > Good Organisations’ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMTzXIuJLFz0IcJYztHPShQ > Building a Convivial Society: Autonomy, Tools, Scale, and Capabilities – with L.M. Sacasas: https://www.boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/ > Lorsch, Jay W. “Organization Design: A Situational Perspective.” Organizational Dynamics 6, no. 2 (1977): 2–14. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0090261677900420 Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 22 March 2022.

Jon Alexander began his career in advertising, winning the prestigious Big Creative Idea of the Year, before making a dramatic change. Driven by a deep need to understand the impact on society of 3,000 commercial messages a day, he gathered three Masters degrees, exploring consumerism and its alternatives from every angle. In 2014, he co-founded the New Citizenship Project with Irenie Ekkeshi to bring the resulting ideas into contact with reality. Since then, they have been on a mission to figure out how to use our skills — not just to sell stuff — to Consumers, and involve people in the decisions that affect their lives as Citizens. In this engaging conversation, Jon shares some great insights from his latest book Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us. We also explore how we can move away from being a passive consumer to being an active agent, how collective power leads to exponential results, the responsibility we have to build our own systems, and what a Citizen democracy means for the government. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/jon-alexander/ Key Highlights Defining Citizenship The Subject and Consumer stories versus the Citizen story How leaders of organizations can help to empower people to be Citizens Becoming active agents of change and investing in the future To Find Out More About Jon's Work: Twitter: twitter.com/jonjalex Website: www.jonalexander.net New Citizenship Project: www.newcitizenship.org.uk Book: Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us Other References and Mentions: Ouishare Fest: www.ouishare.net/fest Arlie Hochschild, The Deep Stories of Our Time: onbeing.org/programs/arlie-hoch…tories-of-our-time Dark Matter Labs - #BeyondTheRules with Indy Johar and Annette Dhami: boundaryless.io/podcast/dark-matter-labs Gov0 in Taiwan: g0v.asia Rob Davies, Phasing out Russian Oil: How UK Consumers Can Help the War Effort, 2022: theguardian.com/environment/2022/…-the-war-effort Better Reykjavik: citizens.is/portfolio_page/better_reykjavik The Liège Food Belt: communitiesforfuture.org/get-inspired…elt-belgium Why Blockchain Should Be Plural: Cosmos and Inter-Blockchain Communication – with Ethan Buchman: boundaryless.io/podcast/ethan-buchman Rebecca Solnit, A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster, 2010: amazon.com/Paradise-Built-He…es/dp/0143118072 Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at boundaryless.io/resources/podcast Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 13 March 2022.

Michele Zanini is the co-author of the Wall Street Journal Bestseller, Humanocracy. He is the co-founder of the Management Lab, where, together with Gary Hamel, he helps forward-thinking organizations become more resilient, innovative, and engaging places to work. Michele was previously a senior consultant at McKinsey & Company and a policy analyst at the RAND Corporation. His work has been featured in The Economist, Harvard Business Review, the Financial Times, and the Wall Street Journal. Michele joins the show to discuss how organizations have become so overburdened by bureaucracy and why new organizational models like those developed at Haier and Morningstar can be seen as socially dense markets. Tune in to this episode as we explore Industrial Age contracts, scalable freedom, the open-source software movement, and the continued need for management innovation. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/michele-zanini-2/ Key Highlights Use case of overcoming bureaucracy and the authoritarian nature of organizations The benefits of socially dense markets Why freedom and control don’t have to be trade-offs The cultural reliance on hierarchical organizations The need to consider management model innovation for the 21st century To Find Out More About Michele’s Work: Twitter: https://twitter.com/michelezanini Website: https://www.humanocracy.com/ Other References and Mentions: Simone Cicero, ‘Contracts and the Future of the Firm’, 2021: Contracts and the Future of the Firm Ronald Coase, The Nature of the Firm: The Nature of the Firm Buurtzorg: https://www.buurtzorg.com/ Apache Foundation: https://www.apache.org/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 22 February 2022.

Ethan Buchman is the co-founder of the Cosmos network and serves as the CEO of Informal Systems. Informal Systems is a member-driven worker’s cooperative building software that enables trustworthy relationships between protocols and people to flourish. Ethan also serves as the President of the Interchain Foundation, which funds and coordinates development of public goods in the Cosmos ecosystem. Tune in to this discussion as we explore the current ‘moment’ blockchain is experiencing and the implications of having a community computer. We also discuss the personal computer revolution, polycentricity, and how Informal Systems is organized to enable their employees to self-organize. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/ethan-buchman/ Key Highlights Where blockchain fits in with the history of computing The concept of embedded cooperativism The role of sovereignty and multi-chain interoperability Standardization and commodification How individuals can participate in structural change How Informal Systems is structured through a high-trust environment and ‘promises’ To Find Out More About Ethan’s Work: Twitter: https://twitter.com/buchmanster Website: https://ebuchman.github.io/ Other References and Mentions: Karl Polanyi, The Great Transformation, 1944: The Great Transformation Informal Systems: https://informal.systems/ Informal Systems Twitter: https://twitter.com/informalinc Informal Systems’ internal organization: workflow.informal.systems Cosmos: https://cosmos.network/ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 16 February 2022.

Lucía Hernández is an expert in Platform Economy and New Emerging Trends. She has been working with organizations of all types to apply platform-ecosystems strategies. Lucía has contributed to research with global organizations and has helped design public policies related to short rental accommodation within the European Commission, IDB, and local governments. In the last two years, Lucía has been studying the intersections between regenerative design and platform design to help public and private organizations adopt a regenerative platform-ecosystem mindset. In this conversation, we delve into the roots of regenerative thinking and why the movement is gaining momentum. It was fascinating to learn from Lucía’s expertise about what we can learn from nature, how regenerative thinking is a process – not a goal, redefining ‘abundance,’ and some new organizations that are emerging in the platform economy. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/lucia-hernandez/ Key Highlights What is regenerative thinking and where does it come from? Lucía’s six key principles of regenerative design The ultimate aim of the regenerative thinking movement The role of place-based economies The abundance versus scarcity mindset Community wealth and investing To Find Out More About Lucía’s Work: Twitter: https://twitter.com/luciahdez3 Website: https://luciahernandez.co/ Lucía Hernandez, Regenerative Platform Design Principles: Regenerative Platform Design Principles Lucía Hernandez, Regenerative Platform Business Models - The Next Generation of Platforms: Regenerative Platform Business Models TEDx talk on regenerative tourism (in Spanish): Watch here Other References and Mentions: Buckminster Fuller (1970). I Seem To Be A Verb: Goodreads Showing the way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust — with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: Episode The Restorative 20s: Why and How the 2020s Can Be the Decade of Regenerative Business, Podcast episode with Danielle Peltier Andrews: Listen here Narrative decentralization and the future of progress — with Jason Crawford: Episode Organizing in Nested Systems: Re-regionalisation, Landscape, and Global Solidarity — with Daniel Wahl: Episode Marjorie Kelly: marjoriekelly.org Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions — with Nora Bateson: Episode Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 10 February 2022.

What does it mean to create convivial organizations and platforms? Today we explore the relationship between technology and society with L. M. Sacasas – and what we can learn from the philosopher Ivan Illich (1926-2002). L. M. Sacasas is the Associate Director of the Christian Study Center of Gainesville, Florida, and author of The Convivial Society, a newsletter about technology and society. Michael has written for The New Atlantis, The New Inquiry, Real Life Magazine, Mere Orthodoxy, Rhizomes, The American, and Second Nature Journal. Ivan Illich was a philosopher, Roman Catholic priest, and critic of the institutions of modern Western culture, addressing practices in education, medicine, work, energy use, transportation, and economic development. In this episode, we explore what we mean by conviviality, having tools to empower – not de-skill – humans, the necessity of limits, re-envisioning the good life, and why Ivan Illich has such a big following in today's society. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/ Key Highlights The meaning of conviviality and the influence of Ivan Illich on L. M. Sacasas’ work The accuracy of Ivan Illich’s predictions on mental health, education, and work Examples of convivial tools Identifying how to measure progress and where to aim better Why the real world needs to embrace virtual reality To Find Out More About Michael’s Work: Twitter: https://twitter.com/LMSacasas The Convivial Society newsletter: https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/ Other References and Mentions: The Abolition of Institutions: On Ivan Illich with LM Sacasas and Nina Power Ivan Illich, Tools for Conviviality, 1973: Amazon Ivan Illich, Deschooling Society, 1971: Wikipedia Thinking After Ivan Illich David Chalmers, Reality+, 2022: Amazon PD Smith, Reality+ by David J Chalmers review – are we living in a simulation? Boundaryless Whitepaper, New Foundations of Platform-Ecosystem Thinking — Designing Products and Organizations for a changing world, 2020: Download here Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 20 January 2022.

In this episode, systempreneur Mara Zepeda joins us to talk about how Zebras Unite is creating the capital, culture, and community for the next economy. Mara Zepeda is Co-Founder and Managing Director of Zebras Unite. As an international and intersectional hybrid cooperative, Zebras Unite’s members include founders, investors, allies, and ecosystem builders from around the world, with over 25 chapters across six continents. Previously, Mara founded a venture-backed software company, Switchboard (now Hearken). We explore how the Zebra movement evolved from a manifesto they created, dissecting the difference between what they call Zebra companies and Unicorns. Additionally, we discuss how every business can be viewed as a vector for social change, the complexities and challenges of cooperative decision-making, the meaning of practicing mutualism and interdependence, and the effects of adopting a seasonal approach to energy management. Full episode details and transcript can be found on our website: boundaryless.io/podcast/zebras-unite/ Key Highlights The Zebra movement and the qualities of a Zebra company Why we need to view business as a human rights issue The qualities of ownership, governance, and culture among Zebras Founders’ roles in money, finances, and budget decisions Case studies of ‘Zebras in the wild’ Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 20 January 2022.