Boundaryless Conversations Podcast

Chase Chapman is a DAO researcher at Metropolis, focused on exploring how DAOs will shape the way humans think about and engage in work. She is an angel investor, host of On the Other Side, a podcast exploring the human side of web3, and spends most of her time collaborating with and writing about DAOs. DAOs—Decentralized Autonomous Organizations—represent one of the most interesting concepts in the blockchain-enabled space. A DAO is a self-governing organization independent from any central authority, and its rules are enforced by smart contracts. In this episode, Chase helps us better understand how DAOs have evolved over the last few years and explore today’s DAO landscape. We also dive deeper into the possibilities of developing an inter-DAO evolutionary organization model and debate the importance of developing organizational building blocks that can interoperate across DAOs and, eventually, traditional organizations. With Chase, we also discussed how the atomic unit of the DAO (and organizing) is not the individual contributor but rather the small group, and how DAO tooling is moving from financial tools to cultural and organizational tools. We talked about how traditional organizations can also use this approach (or maybe not) and how DAOs can possibly help governments develop public policies that facilitate social and ecological transition. Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/chase-chapman/ Key Highlights from the Conversation 👉 The DAO landscape has changed: it was once heavy on automation, now it's a way for companies to become more democratic. 👉 DAO is a modular ecosystem, composed of a “quite monolithic DAO” community. 👉 Trustware vs. Socialware. 👉 How Metropolis’ pods help small groups play a role in the DAO system. 👉 How DAOs can work in a traditional context. To Find Out More About Chase’s Work: 👉 Chase’s podcast - On The Other Side: https://www.othersidepod.xyz/ 👉 Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaserchapman 👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasechapman/ 👉 Chase's appearance on Kevin Owoki's podcast Green Pill, where she spoke about Socialware and Trustware: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/34-evolutionary-daos-with-chase-chapman 👉 The original post on Socialware and Trustware: https://blog.metropolis.space/scaling-trust-in-daos-trustware-vs-socialware/ Other References and Mentions: 👉 The DAO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DAO_(organization) 👉 Cryptokitties: https://www.cryptokitties.co/ 👉 Metalabel: https://www.metalabel.xyz/ 👉 David Ronfelt’s TIMN framework: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2005/P7967.pdf 👉 Balaji Srinivasan’s The Network State: https://thenetworkstate.com/the-network-state Chase’s Suggested Breadcrumbs (Things Listeners Should Check Out): 👉 A Prehistory of DAOs by Kei Kreutler: https://gnosisguild.mirror.xyz/t4F5rItMw4-mlpLZf5JQhElbDfQ2JRVKAzEpanyxW1Q 👉 Life after lifestyle by Toby Shorin: https://subpixel.space/entries/life-after-lifestyle/ Get in Touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ 👉 Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_ 👉 Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts/ 👉 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo/ Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music

The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is the podcast where pioneers, thinkers, and entrepreneurs talk about the future of business models, organizations, markets, and society. With Simone Cicero and Stina Heikkila (and other occasional co-hosts), you’ll explore the future of Platforms & Ecosystems and discover newly emerging perspectives on how we organize at scale in a rapidly changing world. The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is for those looking to reinvent their organization and its business model or simply seeking new ways to respond to the rapid changes we’re seeing in society. So, whether you are thinking of transforming your career or your business, this podcast will help you understand how networks and emerging technologies reshape markets. Subscribe to The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast on your preferred podcasting platform and… start to think boundaryless. The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is brought to you by Boundaryless, a pioneer in platform and ecosystem thinking that creates open design and strategic tools for reinventing business models, organizations, and society. For more information: https://boundaryless.io Get in Touch with Boundaryless: Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_ > Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts/ > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo/ Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music

We are soon about to launch the 4th season of the Podcast. Before doing so, we would like to explore with our community the value you perceive from the podcast, how to improve it and how to make it more sustainable on our side. We’re proud to have released 62 Episodes so far in three series, interviewing key voices that are shaping the way we build scalable, ecosystemic, and platform-based organizations: we now kindly ask you to share your feedback to help us move forward. Please fill out the following survey: https://blss.io/PodcastSurvey The Survey is suitable for loyal listeners as well as occasional ones, and investigates perceived value, structure, premium content, and sustainability strategy! We look forward to your help!

Gigi Levy-Weiss, a Founding Partner at NFX, heads up NFX Israel and is widely known as one of the most prolific investors in the region. Gigi has founded several startups, including Playtika, Beach Bum (acquired by Voodoo), InceptionVR, and Ridge. He was also the CEO of 888 Holdings, one of the world’s leading online gaming companies, and served as Division President at Amdocs, a leading billing and CRM provider. In 2014, Gigi was appointed to Facebook’s EMEA Client Advisory Council, and in 2015, he joined the supervisory board at Bertelsmann, one of the world’s largest media companies. As a pilot in the Israeli Air Force, Gigi learned the value of striving for excellence at all times, building learning organizations, and that working together as a team is the real secret to winning. Tune in to this episode as we explore what other industries can learn from gaming companies, the four layers of the evolution of Web3 marketplaces, the existential role of technology—and why Web3 hasn’t changed the world yet. At the end of the episode, we give a short wrap-up of Season 3 of the podcast—this being the last episode for the season—where we reflect on what we learned and discuss key topics related to organizing at scale. We explore the importance of modularity and composability in markets (also check out this piece: https://boundaryless.io/blog/towards-modular-and-composable-markets/ for more insights), as well as thoughts on our relationship with technology, adopting a regenerative mindset, and convivial organizational models. A transcript of the episode can be found on our website. Key Highlights from the Conversation We discussed: > What we can learn from the gaming industry in the context of platforms, ecosystems, and marketplaces > What it means to be a learning organization > Designing products for people to engage in learning > How Gigi approaches Web3 as an investor > The role of centralized services in platforms > Solving real-world challenges through Web3 To Find Out More About Gigi's Work: > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gigilevy/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/gigilevy > NFX: https://www.nfx.com/ Other References and Mentions: > Fabrice Grinda and Matias Barbero, “Crypto-Enabled Marketplaces,” 2022: https://fabricegrinda.com/crypto-enabled-marketplaces/ > Showing the Way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust—with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/ > Nathan Schneider, “Web3 Is the Opportunity We Have Had All Along: Innovation Amnesia and Economic Democracy”: https://osf.io/2wg6s?view_only=709f1f87528943a4b27de2b5eb0f9eef Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 20 July 2022.

Sangeet Choudary returns to the show, and in this episode, we unpack key insights from his latest work – The Building Blocks Thesis. Sangeet Paul Choudary is the founder of Platformation Labs and the best-selling author of Platform Revolution and Platform Scale. He has advised the leadership of more than 30 of the Fortune 500 firms and has been recognized as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum. Sangeet’s work on platforms has been selected by the Harvard Business Review as one of the top 10 ideas in strategy and has been featured three times in the HBR Top 10 Must Reads compilations. He is appointed to advisory boards and committees at several Global 2000 firms and government bodies, including the ING Group, the MAS’s ASEAN Financial Innovation Network, Boson Protocol, and Standard Bank Group, South Africa. Sangeet is a frequent keynote speaker at leading global forums, including the G20 Summit, the World50 Summit, the United Nations, and the World Economic Forum. In this episode, we delve into Sangeet's recent report and explore how the building block approach can play out in the real-world economy, despite it still being early days. We also discuss why the fundamentals in venture capital will change, the nature of composability, the role of DAOs, and empowering the end-stakeholder. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: boundaryless.io/podcast/sangeet-choudary/ Key Highlights from the Conversation > Markets evolve towards more composability as more of the value chain becomes digitized. > Traditional extraction models (e.g., economies of complements, data lock-ins, etc.) are challenged. > Value extraction will move to the venture investing and fund layers. > Organizations will need to adopt a more DAO-like structure and become more context-rich (3EO framework). To Find Out More About Sangeet's Work: > Twitter: twitter.com/sanguit > LinkedIn: sg.linkedin.com/in/sangeetpaul > Newsletter: platforms.substack.com/ > Building Blocks Thesis: platformthinkinglabs.com/building-blocks/ You can get an illustrated copy of the Web3 Bootstrapping Playbook, launching in September 2022. Sign up here to get early access: https://bit.ly/3oaRwaP Other References and Mentions: > Ekstep Foundation: ekstep.org/ > "Jack Dorsey says VCs really own Web3 (and Web3 boosters are pretty mad about it)", The Verge, December 2021: www.theverge.com/2021/12/21/22848…-capital-twitter > Re-bundling the Firm around Problems to Be Solved – with Sangeet Paul Choudary: boundaryless.io/podcast/sangeet-paul-choudary/ > Building Permissionless Ecosystems: Data and Infrastructure at DIMO – with Rob Solomon: boundaryless.io/podcast/rob-solomon/ Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 9 June 2022.

Lisa Gill is an organizational self-management coach and trainer with Tuff Leadership Training. She was included in the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 for her work with self-managing teams. Lisa is also the host of the Leadermorphosis podcast, where she has interviewed thought leaders and practitioners worldwide about the future of work, and the author of Moose Heads on the Table: Stories About Self-Managing Organisations from Sweden (2020). Tune in to this episode as we discuss why the way we are working is not working. We reflect on new ways of working, the post-agile era of interrogating the “what,” the power of peer-led movements, some great new technologies that are emerging, and why we can’t solve things simply with systems or processes. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website. Key Highlights > Emerging trends in the world of organizing and teams. > The emerging technologies shaping how we organize. > The importance of identifying guiding principles when adopting new technologies. > Lessons Lisa has learned from working with new types of organizations. > The need to shift behaviors—not just systems. To Find Out More About Lisa’s Work: > Twitter: https://twitter.com/disruptandlearn > Website: https://www.reimaginaire.com/ > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-gill-23815a4/ > Leadermorphosis Podcast: https://leadermorphosis.co/ > Moose Heads on the Table: Stories About Self-Managing Organisations from Sweden (2020): https://www.amazon.com/Moose-Heads-Table-Karin-Tenelius/dp/9151954508/ Other References and Mentions: > Sensemaking Webinar #1 – Organizational Adaptation to the Changing Landscape: https://boundaryless.io/video/sensemaking-webinar-1-organizational-adaptation-to-the-changing-landscape/ > Enspiral: https://www.enspiral.com/ > Loomio: https://www.loomio.com/ > Cobudget: https://cobudget.com/ > Murmur: https://www.murmur.com/ > Maptio: https://www.maptio.com/ > Huddle Craft: https://www.huddlecraft.com/ > Money Movers: https://www.wearemoneymovers.com/ > Teaming: How Organizations Learn, Innovate, and Compete in the Knowledge Economy by Amy C. Edmondson (2012): https://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Organizations-Innovate-Compete-Knowledge-ebook/dp/B007MF3BRA > Matt Black Systems: https://www.mattblacksystems.com/ > The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age by James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg (1999): https://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Individual-Mastering-Transition-Information/dp/0684832720 > The Bitcoin Standard: The Decentralized Alternative to Central Banking by Saifedean Ammous (2018): https://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Standard-Decentralized-Alternative-Central/dp/1119473861/ > The Fiat Standard: The Debt Slavery Alternative to Human Civilization by Saifedean Ammous (2021): https://www.amazon.com/Fiat-Standard-Slavery-Alternative-Civilization/dp/1544526474 Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 8 June 2022.

Today we're joined by Tracheopteryx – or Trach – a pioneer of decentralized governance, operations, and compensation systems. Trach is co-founder of Coordinape and a previous contributor to yearn finance. In this conversation, we delve into what DAOs are and why the future lies in this framework. We also talk about the connection between ownership and decision-making, striving for a 'trustless' infrastructure, why we might not see companies like Apple or Google 'go DAO' soon, the role of six-person teams – and why everyone working on DAOs is, in essence, collaborating to create a greater pie. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/tracheopteryx/ Key Highlights We discussed: > What DAOs are and the key differences with corporate governance. > Trustless mechanisms and the Blockchain. > How likely existing traditional players are to embrace DAOs. > What we mean by the word 'trustless'. > How non-developers can get involved with DAOs projects. To Find Out More About Trach’s Work: > Twitter: https://twitter.com/tracheopteryx > Website: https://coordinape.com/ Other References and Mentions: > Compensation in DAOs with Tracheopteryx on the Collectively Intelligent Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/compensation-in-daos-with-tracheopteryx/id1577798978?i=1000538952056 > Helium: https://www.helium.com/technology > Colony: Distributed Organizations That Actually Work – with Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/ > Moving Beyond Coin Voting Governance by Vitalik Buterin: https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/08/16/voting3.html > Blue Sky Project: https://blueskyweb.xyz/ > Thirsty Thirsty: https://www.thirstythirsty.org/ > Ronald Coase, The Nature of the Firm, 1937: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-0335.1937.tb00002.x Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 3 June 2022.

Today we’re joined by former guest Rob Solomon, a cofounder at DIMO, a blockchain-enabled IoT protocol for mobility. Rob’s background is in finance, investing, and organizational design. Most recently, he worked at Consensys, the largest Ethereum-focused development company, with a focus on finance, internal economics, and decentralizing the organization. Prior to that, he was at Vroom, a pioneer in the online used-car marketplace sector, and he began his career at the Downtown Project in Las Vegas (a spinoff of Zappos.com), where he worked on investments and implemented holacracy. Tune in to this episode as we discuss the latest developments in Rob’s work since his last appearance on the podcast, how DIMO is like building a city from scratch, understanding the main functions of an organization, and why the future is bright for DIMO. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/rob-solomon/ Key Highlights We Discussed > DIMO’s infrastructure and open-source technology. > Creating an organization with permissionless contributions. > The role of data unions in managing decentralized data ownership. > Defining decentralized organizing and DIMO’s ecosystem. > Redefining the thesis of ownership and incentives. > Raising capital for a Web3 project. To Find Out More About DIMO and Rob’s Work: > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsolomon1/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/robmsolomon > Website: https://dimo.zone/ > Application: https://app.dimo.zone/ > Documentation on DIMO and the token: https://docs.dimo.zone/dimo-overview/overview/what-is-dimo Other References and Mentions: > Software and Protocols for a New Way of Organizing — with Bryan Peters, Rob Solomon & Sascha Kellert: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/bryan-peters-and-sascha-kellert-and-rob-solomon/ > DIMO Podcast #1: Rob Solomon & Kacy Qua: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gno-bhNHxGk Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 17 May 2022.

Phoebe Tickell is a biologist and systems thinker developing methodologies and approaches suited for a better world. She is an innovator with a background in the biological sciences, technology, social entrepreneurship, and systems design. She left the scientific academy with the knowledge that an understanding of complex systems could be applied to real-world pressing issues and that bridges were needed to stretch from theory to practice. She works across multiple societal contexts applying a complexity and systems thinking lens and has worked in organizational design, advised government, the education sector, and the food and farming sector. She is a co-founder of the DGov Foundation – a community of distributed governance practitioners – and a member of Enspiral, a community innovating in decentralizing power and developing decentralized tools and technologies. In 2020, she also created Moral Imaginations to push the frontier of research and implement collective imagination exercises that inspire change and solutions for an era of unprecedented disruption and potential transformation. It’s clear that society needs direction when it comes to change, and in today’s episode we explore how imagination gives us the ability to think beyond traditional frames. Join us as we delve into training a new breed of activists, mapping unintended consequences, coordinating on a massive scale, and accounting for future generations in the choices we make. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/phoebe-tickell/ Key Highlights We Discussed > Why imagination has become central to building the future. > The moral elements of new ways of organizing. > How diverse teams or communities can work from shared principles. > The importance of staying connected to local communities. > Why coordination is not “everything” for DAOs. To Find Out More About Phoebe’s Work: > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phoebetickell/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/solarpunk_girl > Website: http://www.phoebetickell.com/ > Moral Imaginations: https://www.moralimaginations.com/ > Moral Imaginations Twitter: https://twitter.com/moral_imagining > Moral Imaginations Substack: https://moralimaginations.substack.com/ Other References and Mentions: > Indy Johar, A Development Future: https://medium.com/hub-engine/a-developmental-future-21bf6412625e > The Manifesto for Moral Imagination: https://medium.com/moral-imaginations/a-manifesto-for-moral-imagination-dbf62f0cb7aa > Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions — with Nora Bateson: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/nora-bateson/ > Daniel Schmachtenberger: https://civilizationemerging.com/about/ > Kevin Owocki, The Green Pill, with Phoebe Tickell: https://greenpill.substack.com/p/12-solarpunk-girl-phoebe-tickell?s=r > L. M. Sacasas – Building a Convivial Society: Autonomy, Tools, Scale, and Capabilities: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/l-m-sacasas/ > MetaGov: https://metagov.org/ > Colony: Distributed Organizations That Actually Work – with Aron Fischer and Jack du Rose: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/colony/ > Samantha Slay, Going Horizontal: https://goinghorizontal.co/ > New Citizenship Project: https://www.newcitizenship.org.uk/ Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 19 April 2022.

Adam Jackson founded Braintrust — the world’s first user-controlled talent platform — which aligns incentives, removes expensive middlemen, and gives value and control back to talent and organizations. Prior to founding Braintrust, Adam co-founded Doctor on Demand, the popular video telemedicine provider, with daytime talk show personality Dr. Phil. Other notable ventures include DriverSide, a marketplace that connects car owners with mechanics, which was acquired by Advance Auto Parts in September 2011, and MarketSquare, the first online local shopping destination on the Internet, which was acquired by Intuit in September 2006. Adam is also a passionate angel investor in 100+ companies, including LTSE, SuperHuman, Filecoin, Binance, BlockFi, Automatic, Apero Health, Zenefits, and more. A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/adam-jackson/ Key Highlights We discussed: > How the Braintrust model and its nodes work. > Rewarding commercial nodes. > The role of the non-profit foundation and association in the system. > Maintaining the coherence of Braintrust. > Investing in user-owned networks. > Current experimentations in the token economy space. > The societal impact of having a decentralized talent network. To Find Out More About Adam’s Work: > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajackson/ > Twitter: https://twitter.com/adamjacksonsf > Website: https://www.usebraintrust.com/ > Braintrust’s Discord Community: https://discord.gg/rgUS9aHFCB Other References and Mentions: > Showing the way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust — with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/ > Braintrust: Fighting Capitalism with Capitalism, Not Boring with Packy McCormick: https://www.notboring.co/p/braintrust-fighting-capitalism-with?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web > Deep dive on the Fee Converter: https://medium.com/snowfork/introducing-the-braintrust-fee-converter-21be7c8af951 > Braintrust Academy: https://academy.usebraintrust.com/ > Kunai commercial node: https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/new-node-addition-kunai > Braintrust Etherscan: https://etherscan.io/address/0x799ebfabe77a6e34311eeee9825190b9ece32824 > Vitalik on quadratic voting: https://vitalik.ca/general/2019/12/07/voting3.html > Gitcoin: https://gitcoin.co/ > $100m investment round: https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/-100m-btrst-purchase > Dimo: https://dimo.zone Find Out More About the Show and the Research at Boundaryless: https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/ Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music Recorded on 23 March 2022.