
Peripheral Thinking
A podcast to challenge your assumptions and inspire you with ideas from the periphery, the margins.
We live in times of unprecedented change.
The systems - financial, social, ecological, environmental - on which we depend are stretched to breaking point. Professional, personal and organisational ‘norms’ increasingly less normal.
We are in transition.
The ideas to shape tomorrow exist today at the margins. What might we learn from ancient wisdom, eastern philosophy or indigenous thinking? Or DeGrowth and other radical social and political movements?
Peripheral Thinking is a podcast which investigates these ideas, so you can carry them back to the mainstream.
Latest episodes

Jan 24, 2023 • 55min
Why should leaders know all the answers?
For community architect Claire Perry-Louise, the often overused and somewhat clichéd word “community” means connecting people through shared experiences, shared values, or shared identity.Claire doesn’t just advise others how to create community, she hosts her own. She founded Like Hearted Leaders so she and the people she’d met through a Do Lectures course could continue their conversations. Now, more than two years later, people gather for one-on-one conversations, masterclasses, group discussions, and more.In her chat with Ben, she describes her route from solicitor to author to community builder, discusses the importance of psychological safety, and invites us all to pay it forward.LinksConnect with Claire on LinkedInLike Hearted LeadersBlack Box Thinking: Marginal Gains and the Secrets of High Performance, by Matthew Syed

Dec 16, 2022 • 54min
Living systems and regenerative business
Carol is a visionary and guiding light, seeding, teaching (although she'd challenge the idea!), pointing to genuinely regenerative thinking in the world. She is an author, activist and entrepreneur who has been living and learning her work for decades. Her questions and perspective will help you think about your work and place in the world in a completely different light.In her conversation with Ben, Carol outlines her work changing mindsets, thinking about thinking, and the seven guiding principles she learned from her grandfather.LinksThe Regenerative Business: Redesign Work, Cultivate Human Potential, Achieve Extraordinary Outcomes – Carol’s latest bookCathexisNo More Feedback: Cultivate Consciousness at Work – Carol’s book from 2019Episode 5, with Marcus Link

Nov 16, 2022 • 43min
Might you imagine food entirely differently?
We believe that small is mighty, small is power. Our money, support and energy goes to David over Goliath every time...And there are few more inspiring David's, so to speak, than Ruth, co-founder of HiSBE, a plucky, fighting, challenger super market in Brighton and Worthing, UK.Our food system is broken- which includes much of how it's produced and where it's sold. Supermarkets have a crunch on the entire chain. Inspired by the idea of 'how it should be', Ruth and team have re-imagined what a supermarket should be. And they're gunning for the big boys. With their sling shot. In this episode, we talk food and supermarkets, imaginging 'how it should be' as a thought experiment / innovation prompt and moving from 'cute to dangerous'. Yes, you could to.... Linkshttps://hisbe.co.uk/ Ruth’s TEDx Brighton talkUnreasonable GroupEthical ConsumerSainsbury’s CEO’s pay triples to £3.8m as firm rejects living wage calls

Nov 16, 2022 • 59min
An unconventional recipe for success
This podcast is a home for the creative pioneer, the friendly problem child. Like Dashal Beevers. Dash left school at 13. Reading and writing not his friends. Constraint is the mother of all invention, said nobody ever, but maybe should have. Needing to create his own work and opportunity, Dash's work journey oozes creativity and entrepreneurial wizardry (and chips and dips). As yours can too (maybe less the chips and dips). In this episode (the first of two), we talk Dash's personal journey and how this shapes who we are and the work we do. This is true for you too: the work you do is a product of who you are. LinksFind a local BeSaucy stockistBuy BeSaucy online

Aug 15, 2022 • 56min
Who Doesn’t Want a Little Peace and Calm?
Episode descriptionWho doesn’t want a little peace and calm?In this episode of Peripheral Thinking, I speak to Martin Alyward. Martin is a long established Buddhist meditation teacher - my teacher, as it happens.As humans, we create drama - our needy, greedy, crazy, lazy minds need no invitation. We obsess about what we did or didn’t say, did or didn’t do. We wander around dreaming, lost in thought. As if life wasn’t stressful enough: businesses crashing, the systems on which we’ve depended for 50/60(/000 years) crumbling, the very earth wilting.And we wonder why we struggle to sleep or to find peace and calm. I spoke to Martin about Buddhism, its relevance and usefulness today, given the myriad challenges and worries we face.Sit back and enjoy and let Martin point you to a journey of ‘waking up’; worry not, caves, robes and renouncing your family not obligatory. Rather, instead, follow your internal signals and worry less about what you’re ‘supposed’ to attain.LinksAwake Where You Are: The Art of Embodied Awareness – Martin’s bookMartin’s websiteFollow @martinaylward on InstagramMoulin de ChavesSangha Live

Aug 12, 2022 • 53min
The role of Daoism in 2022 and beyond
This week on Peripheral Thinking, I speak to George Thompson, film maker, teacher and wise Daoist explorer.Daoism was born in a time of war: in China’s Warring States period. What role for this ancient philosophy today? Is it a fast track to passively doing nothing or super power lending you strength, resilience and wise perspective?I know where my toast is buttered. Why not have a listen and let me know yours.LinksJourney to the East – George’s filmThe Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity's Search for Meaning, by Jeremy LentThe Tao of Pooh, by Benjamin HoffGeorge’s YouTube channelThe Wwayfinders communityJoin George’s Daoism course

Jul 27, 2022 • 1h 19min
Beginning the regenerative journey
Marcus is an entrepreneur, researcher and writer, Chief Operating Officer of New Foundation Farms, a UK agri-food enterprise on a mission to disrupt the entire ‘farm to fork’ journey: yep, that’s breaking and remaking everything that’s wrong and harmful about how you get your food. In this episode, we talk regenerative business - work which creates life not destroys it - the travails of entrepreneurial life more generally, and embracing the end of your start up or company as a means to renew it…. LinksNew Foundation FarmsFarming Smarter reportThe Cultural Creatives: How 50 Million People are Changing the World, by Paul RayDirt to Soil: One Family's Journey into Regenerative Agriculture, by Gabe BrownChanging the World We Create: Beyond climate crises, polarised societies and failed leadership, by Mark Drewell and Björn LarssonInvesting in Regenerative Agriculture and Food podcastRegeneration: Ending the Climate Crisis in One Generation, by Paul HawkenJames QuilliganSavory InstituteConnect with Marcus on LinkedIn

Jun 30, 2022 • 39min
The economy, leadership, and you
The decisions we make today are based on the world we think we’ll have tomorrow. But the world is changing so rapidly that the decisions we made even three weeks ago bear little relevance to today.In his discussion with Ben, Graham Boyd sets out the dangers of running a business in isolation, rather than in concert with others, and how success doesn’t have to be a zero sum game.Further readingRebuild: the Economy, Leadership, and You – Graham’s bookNet Positive, by Paul PolmanWhy Most Things Fail, by Paul OrmerodEvolute SixGraham’s websitePeripheral Thinking episode 2, with. Mark Anielski

May 19, 2022 • 51min
Atopia: God, Stories, Facebook and Mushrooms
I enjoyed this conversation. Professor Sam North is a teacher and writer. In his words, he’s “developing a cross-disciplinary bite of education that has three components: religious stories as networks of growth and cooperation (Theology and Religion), mycelial (fungal) networks as prosecutors of growth and cooperation (Biology) and social networks as the new 'hearth' of identity and storytelling, fostering both cooperation and division. I'm particularly interested in the corruption of all of the above”. Curious, I was. And that was before he shared the course sub title: God. Stories. Facebook. Mushrooms. I’m in. To dip your toe into the unlikely connection between these curious strands, do check out the conversation. I hope you enjoy.Further readingRudolf SteinerBrian BoydEntangled Life, by Merlin Sheldrake

May 12, 2022 • 56min
Buddhist Economics
What wisdom can Buddhism provide in today’s world? That’s the subject of Buddhist Economics, by UC Berkeley Professor of Economics, Clair Brown.Professor Brown’s book opens with three Buddhist teachings: that people are caring, people are interdependent with people and nature, and all life is impermanent. Clair believes that if we take those three basic assumptions, we can turn free market economics on its head which is good for you, me and all our aunties and uncles.LinksBuddhist Economics: An Enlightened Approach to the Dismal ScienceAmartya Sen’s capability theory approachJeffrey SachsBarry CommonerSmall Is Beautiful: Economics as if People MatteredJamie DimonLarry FinkClair’s articles on Lion’s RoarBuddha on the Board ebookRegeneration: Ending the Climate Crisis in One GenerationBuddhist Economics – Clair’s websiteBuddhist Economics audiobookEpisode two, with Mark Anielski
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