
The Drone Ultimatum
The preeminent podcast for all things drones, defense tech, defense policy, and modern warfare. Featured guests include industry leaders, policy experts, military warfighters, business titans, and many more. Hosted by Steve Simoni, co-founder and CEO of Allen Control Systems.
Latest episodes

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Jun 27, 2025 • 1h 6min
The Future of the Army: Autonomy, AI, and Combat Innovation | General James Rainey
General James Rainey, the Commanding General of Army Futures Command, is shaping the future of warfare with insights on drone and AI integration. He discusses how drone warfare in Ukraine is influencing military strategy and the necessity for adaptability over mere prediction. Rainey emphasizes the strategic transformations within the Army and the importance of collaboration with tech industries. He also touches on the ethical implications of modern weaponry and the significance of lifelong learning in military leadership.

Jun 20, 2025 • 1h 35min
Can the U.S. Still Build Things? Fixing the Industrial Base | Miles Arnone (Podcast #34)
Miles Arnone, CEO of Re:Build Manufacturing, joins the podcast to explain why American manufacturing fell behind—and how to bring it back. We dive into defense supply chains, national security vulnerabilities, rare earth magnets, and why the U.S. can’t rely on overseas factories forever. Miles shares Re:Build’s long-term plan to re-industrialize the country by acquiring and integrating specialized manufacturing businesses. We also get into 3D printing myths, scalable drone production, and why designing for manufacturability matters more than ever.If you’re building in defense, hard tech, or industrial automation, this one’s for you.Timestamps:(0:00) Intro(1:15) Miles’ Engineering Background and MIT Experience(2:19) The COVID Wake-Up Call: Industrial Weakness and Mask Production(2:53) What Re:Build Manufacturing Actually Does(3:50) The Case for Industrial Re-shoring and National Security Implications: Rare Earth Magnets and Electric Motor Supply Chains(4:19) The Disappearance of Middle-Class Factory Jobs(5:39) Populism, Economic Frustration, and the American Dream(6:25) What to Reshore (and What Not To)(7:34) How Offshoring Kills Innovation at Home(8:55) Defense Procurement and the Cost of Complexity(9:04) Why Volume Production Beats Fancy Features in Warfare(9:57) 3D Printing Myths, Misuse, and Real Limits(12:34) The Case Against Containerized Drone Production(13:33) Centralizing Drone Platforms and Letting Companies Specialize in Payloads(14:13) How the U.S. Can Compete with DJI(15:30) Scaling to 10,000+ Drones Per Month(17:44) Government Role in Banning Chinese Components (DJI Ban, etc.)(18:10) Comparing Today’s Supply Chain Readiness to Pre-WWII Germany(21:10) Private Equity vs. Long-Term Industrial Investment Models(34:05) Slate Vehicle Case Study: Designing for Manufacturability(39:26) Mass Customization Without Manufacturing Complexity(46:37) Why Most Robotics Startups Fail at Real Factory Use Cases(49:08) Humanoid Robots in Manufacturing: Hype vs. Reality(50:32) AI, Robotics, and System Effects on Society(54:15) The Conveyor Belt Is Still the Best Robot(1:04:21) Weapons Integration and the Challenge of Scaling Production(1:09:09) Morality, War, and the Defense Contractor’s Responsibility(1:11:40) Populism, Social Instability, and the Need for Economic Inclusion(1:27:30) The Apprentice Model and Rebuilding Workforce Pathways(1:28:44) Why College Isn’t the Only Path to a Good Job(1:32:27) AI, Productivity, and the Risks of Technological Elitism(1:33:16) Civil Conflict vs. Nation-State Conflict: Which Is More Likely?(1:33:40) - Final Thoughts and OutroFollow the show everywhere! 👇Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3YOfGtOSubstack: https://thedroneultimatum.substack.com/Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-drone-ultimatum/id1770994541X(Twitter): https://x.com/droneultimatumInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedroneultimatum/Check out Allen Control Systems (ACS): https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/#defensetech #hardtech #manufacturing #reshoring #nationalsecurity #drones #startups #supplychain #reindustrialization #aerospace #rareearth #industrialpolicy #semiconductors #automation #robotics #counteruas #venturecapital #dronewarfare #3dprinting #rebuildmanufacturing

Jun 16, 2025 • 1h 18min
Defense, Drones & Developing New Talent | David Ruth, Ph.D.
David Ruth, Dean of STEM at the University of Austin and retired Navy captain, joins the show to discuss the future of technical education, the ethics of AI in warfare, and what it takes to build a new university from scratch. From nuclear submarines to autonomous drone targeting, this conversation spans practical experience and deep philosophical questions. Dave explains how UATX is rethinking curriculum to blend engineering and philosophy—and why today’s students must be both technically sharp and morally grounded. We also get into nuclear energy policy, drone warfare, and what startups look for in engineering talent. A wide-ranging episode at the intersection of defense, academia, and the future of war.Episode #33.Get the show everywhere! 👇YouTube @thedroneultimatumSpotify (The Drone Ultimatum)Substack (The Drone Ultimatum Podcast)Apple Podcasts (The Drone Ultimatum)Get the latest updates whenever a new episode drops:Instagram @thedroneultimatumX/Twitter @droneultimatumLinkedIn (The Drone Ultimatum)--Follow Steve:LinkedInTwitter/XCheck out Allen Control Systems##

Jun 6, 2025 • 1h 7min
Ukraine’s Spider Web Drone Attack & The Future of War | John Dulin (Podcast #32)
Modern Intelligence Founder and CEO John Dulin joins us in-studio for a wide-ranging conversation on the future of autonomous warfare. We break down the latest Ukrainian drone strike and what it signals about the next era of defense tech—where software, not hardware, defines lethality.From AI-powered targeting to modular DoD acquisitions, this episode dives deep into the strategic, technical, and economic transformation unfolding across the defense industrial base. We also discuss startup dynamics, factory-as-a-product models, and the rise of AI-driven competition in unmanned systems.If you’re tracking the evolution of drones, autonomy, or defense VC, this one’s for you.Follow John on XCheck out Modern IntelligenceGet the show everywhere! 👇YouTube @thedroneultimatumSpotify (The Drone Ultimatum)Substack (The Drone Ultimatum Podcast)Apple Podcasts (The Drone Ultimatum)Get the latest updates whenever a new episode drops:Instagram @thedroneultimatumX/Twitter @droneultimatumLinkedIn (The Drone Ultimatum)--Follow Steve:LinkedInTwitter/XCheck out Allen Control Systems##

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May 23, 2025 • 1h 14min
From Cartels to Combat Zones: Mapping the Global Drone Threat | Mike Monnik (Podcast #31)
Mike Monnik, CEO of DroneSec and advisor to NATO and Interpol, dives into the evolving landscape of drone warfare. He discusses the rise of drone usage in criminal activities and the challenges of countermeasures against swarm tactics. Monnik explains how DroneSec tracks global drone threats, emphasizing the importance of real-time data for military and government responses. He also explores the cultural nuances of international business relationships and shares insights on transitioning from free content to a monetized model in drone incident reporting.

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May 17, 2025 • 1h 22min
From Memes to Military Tech: Investing in the New Defense Era | Patrick Blumenthal (Podcast #30)
Patrick Blumenthal, a venture capitalist and founder of the Anomaly Fund, dives into the intersection of technology and defense. He outlines how rising defense spending is a response to threats from China and highlights innovations like the Pulsar L counter-drone system. Patrick shares insights on Ukraine’s military-driven startup culture and the role of reindustrialization in defense manufacturing. He also discusses the implications of geopolitical tensions on the U.S. industrial base and the need for modernizing military readiness through advanced technologies.

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May 9, 2025 • 1h 10min
How to Sell to the U.S. Military: OTAs, 4023 & Sole Source Deals | Travis James (Podcast #29)
Government contracting, but with zero fluff.In this episode, we sit down with Travis James—former Army contracting officer and now Head of Contracts at Fortera—for a brutally practical breakdown of how to actually win defense contracts. From underused authorities like 10 USC 4023 to what really happens behind the scenes with sole source justifications, Travis gives founders the roadmap most never get. We also talk autonomous vehicles, program of record dynamics, price vs. performance tradeoffs, and how venture-backed companies can play offense inside the slow-moving machine.(0:00 - Intro (1:12) - From Army Contracting Officer to Defense Startup (3:46) - How Government Contracting Actually Works (5:27) - Understanding 10 USC 4022, 4023, 4025 (8:19) - Leaving Government for Fortera (10:12) - Inside Fortera’s $93M Autonomous Breaching Contract (13:22) - How Defense Demos and Competitions Really Work (15:57) - Price vs. Performance in Government Contracting (18:33) - Program of Record and the Future of Ground Autonomy (20:21) - Selling to the Government as a Venture-Backed Startup (23:13) - Sole Source Contracts and Acquisition Flexibility (26:17) - Role of Dr. Matthew Willis in DoD Awards (29:31) - How to Win With the Right Acquisition Path (31:44) - Lessons From the CROWS Program (34:41) - Retrofitting Autonomy on Legacy Vehicles (36:58) - Planning for Conflict in the Pacific (40:06) - Dual-Use and Fortera's Commercial Autonomy Business (43:39) - Weaponizing Robots and the Case for Autonomy (47:19) - Nuclear Deterrence and Existential Risk (50:44) - Sci-Fi, Pop Culture, and Fallout Scenarios (53:18) - China’s Robotic Systems and Resource Warfare (55:36) - Why Autonomy Solves the Military Recruiting Crisis (57:13) - Positioning Fortera as an Autonomy Prime (59:42) - Congressional Engagement and Reforming 4023 (1:01:23) - OutroFollow Travis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travistjames/Check out Forterra: https://www.forterra.com/Follow the show everywhere! 👇Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3YOfGtOApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-drone-ultimatum/id1770994541X (Twitter): https://x.com/droneultimatumInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedroneultimatum/Check out Allen Control Systems (ACS): https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/

May 2, 2025 • 1h 45min
From Iraq to AI Drones: How War Has Changed (And How It Hasn’t) | Chris Jennings & Mike Rodriguez
What does it feel like to be under fire? How are drones changing warfare? And why does modern military tech so often miss the mark?In this episode, special operations veterans Chris “Gus” Jennings (5th Special Forces Group) and Mike “Rod” Rodriguez (Marine Raider) join us for a raw, unfiltered conversation about battle, culture, and the evolution of combat. We talk about their first experiences getting shot at, how FPV drones are the new IEDs, what’s wrong with defense procurement, and why tanks aren’t obsolete—just vulnerable. Plus: nuclear deterrence, alien life, and why U.S. warfighters always find a way to win. Podcast #28.Follow Gus on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-%E2%80%9Cgus%E2%80%9D-jennings-61972491/Follow Mike on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-rodriguez-b23a4146/Aeon Industries: https://www.aeonindustrial.com/Follow the show everywhere! 👇Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3YOfGtOApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-drone-ultimatum/id1770994541X (Twitter): https://x.com/droneultimatumInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedroneultimatum/Check out Allen Control Systems (ACS): https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/

27 snips
Apr 25, 2025 • 1h 34min
The Brutal Reality of Building in Defense Tech | John Ferry (Podcast #27)
Most VC-backed defense startups stall, pivot, and eventually die. John Ferry has a few ideas why.As President of Trenchant Analytics and a deeply connected defense insider, Ferry pulls back the curtain on what’s really going on in GovCon. We talk pivot traps, why most military customers aren’t actually looking for innovation, and why founders need to get real about the slow, messy path to contracts. Also in this episode: drone warfare, EW hype cycles, defense memes, investor delusions, and how Signal group chats are changing how the industry talks.Follow John on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnferry1/Timestamps:(0:00) - Intro (0:57) - “Be Honest” Meme and Pivot Cycle in GovTech (2:26) - SLED, FedCiv, and the Struggle to Gain Traction (4:37) - Disconnect Between Government Narrative and Reality (6:01) - Policy Shifts and Startup Expectations (8:38) - Surviving the State of Play in Defense (11:06) - Selling to State and Local? Not Worth It (13:05) - Generational Bonding and Green Beret Background (15:43) - Why Founders Need Problem Intimacy (17:27) - Customer Discovery and the Agile Trap in Defense (19:11) - Bridging the Valley of Death (20:53) - The Signal Group Origin Story (23:00) - VC-Backed Startups in Defense: Hot Takes (26:48) - The Realities of EW Startups and Investor Hype (30:48) - How to Actually Win in GovCon VC (34:00) - PE vs. VC: Who Really Wins? (37:09) - Golf Talk and the LIV Analogy (38:23) - FPV Drone Economics and Threat Evolution (40:37) - Naval Drones and Directed Energy Weapons (43:51) - Drone Buster Tech and Point Defense Concepts (48:03) - Making Soft-Kill Systems Work on the Battlefield (51:00) - Nicotine, Focus, and Founding a Defense Company (53:12) - Thank You for Smoking and VC Media (55:31) - Autonomous Strike and Warzone Realities (58:12) - Why Relationships Drive Everything in GovCon (1:00:22) - Automating Acquisition and Spinning Out Startups (1:03:00) - Focus, Traction, and Staying Alive (1:05:10) - Markets Matter and Seeing Future Problem Sets (1:07:20) - Contested Logistics and 3D Printing at the Edge (1:10:36) - Thermonuclear War vs. Unconventional Warfare (1:13:02) - Military Lingo, Signal Chat, and Soft Culture (1:15:18) - Hiring Veterans and the Team Mentality (1:18:00) - Reflections on the Early Days of Startups (1:20:04) - Field Service Headaches and Simplicity at Scale (1:22:00) - Pure Play Startups and Avoiding G&A Bloat (1:23:52) - Signal Messaging, Jargon, and GovComms (1:26:10) - The Rise of SOF VCs and Founder Culture (1:28:28) - SEALs, Athletes, and Engineering Talent (1:30:00) - DevTech Founder Personas and Sales Realities (1:33:05) - Final Thoughts and Outro Follow the show everywhere! 👇Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3YOfGtOApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-drone-ultimatum/id1770994541X (Twitter): https://x.com/droneultimatumInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedroneultimatum/Check out Allen Control Systems (ACS): https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/#podcast #DefenseTech #GovCon #StartupLife #MilitaryTech #DOD #EW #Drones #Hyperspectral #VentureCapital #Acquisition #DefenseStartups #DroneWarfare #SoftKill #HardKill #SignalChats #FPVdrones #DefenseIndustry #VCbacked #Contracting #StartupStruggles

Apr 22, 2025 • 1h 10min
From NASA to Startup: Building the Future of Satellite Imaging | Vishnu Sridhar (Podcast #26)
What if satellite imaging could go beyond RGB and actually see the molecular makeup of our planet? In this episode, the former NASA engineer turned co-founder and CEO breaks down how his startup, Matter Intelligence, is creating a new class of earth observation sensors that go beyond RGB to capture the molecular makeup of the planet. We talk about hyperspectral imaging, how Matter’s satellites work, commercial vs. government go-to-market strategy, and why most of today’s satellite data is basically noise. Plus: alien life, Carl Sagan, digital twins, and why the maps of the future won’t look anything like Google Maps.(0:00) - Intro (0:58) - Meet Vishnu Sridhar, CEO of Matter (2:29) - Building Cameras for Space (4:48) - The Physics Behind Hyperspectral Imaging (7:02) - Full-Stack Satellite Ops & Data Access (10:57) - From NASA to Startup Founder (13:46) - Alien Talk, Trump Quotes & Pop Science (16:09) - Fundraising & Building a Hardware Company (21:05) - Commercial vs. Government Sales Strategy (26:24) - Tracking Hypersonic Missiles from Space (30:06) - Startup Tradeoffs: Build vs. Buy (36:58) - Terraforming Mars & Space Colonization (43:12) - Data Moats & the Path to Monopoly (47:00) - Building the Earth’s Digital Twin (51:00) - Future Vision: B2C Satellite Applications Vishnu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vishnu-sridhar/Matter Intelligence: https://matter.com/Follow the show everywhere! 👇YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thedroneultimatum?feature=sharedApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-drone-ultimatum/id1770994541X (Twitter): https://x.com/droneultimatumInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedroneultimatum/Check out Allen Control Systems (ACS): https://www.allencontrolsystems.com/#podcast #NASA #EarthObservation #SpaceTech #SatelliteImaging #StartupLife