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Jun 6, 2024 • 58min

AI, Skills based hiring, digital transformation and the future of recruiting: With Matt Alder

"Skills-based hiring isn't just removing a degree requirement from a job description. It takes a long time and serious commitment to see it through." -Matt Alder Summary:   My guest for this episode is Matt Alder, podcaster, author, consultant and futurist This is an exciting episode because it includes the first ever episode of The Take it or Leave it Show! This short segment takes place in the middle of our interview.  This is a fun segment that provides listeners with expert takes on current hot topics.  In the segment, Matt and I review two articles from the current news, share our takes on them, and give a collective thumbs up or thumbs down on it.   This week’s articles cover the topics of skills based hiring and the use of AI driven personality assessments in hiring.  Don’t miss it! In addition to Take it or Leave it, in this episode we learn about Matt’'s background in talent acquisition, his Recruiting Future podcast and his books 'Exceptional Talent' and 'Digital Talent'.  Through these efforts and Matt’s work as a top notch consultant and futurist, we discuss the hot topics that are shaping the future of hiring. Topics covered include: The definition of “digital transformation” and its impact on talent acquisitionThe role of AI in recruitment and how companies should approach the adoption of new technologiesChallenges in skills-based hiringThe importance of experimentation and innovation in recruitment, and Predictions for the future of talent acquisition in 2034. Take Aways: Embrace Digital Transformation: Companies must adjust to an increasingly digital world, understanding that digital transformation impacts all aspects of business, including talent acquisition. Digital transformation involves more than just adopting new technologies; it requires a shift in mindset to leverage these tools effectively.Foster a Future-Focused Mindset: Being open to change and continuously experimenting with new technologies is essential for staying ahead in the HR landscape. Organizations need to think beyond the current processes and explore how technology can fundamentally change their operations.Prioritize Skills-Based Hiring: While challenging, skills-based hiring can lead to a more equitable and effective recruitment process, helping organizations find and retain the right talent. This approach emphasizes the importance of assessing candidates based on their actual skills rather than traditional credentials.Enhance Candidate Experience: Providing a consumer-grade experience in recruitment processes is crucial for attracting and retaining top talent, particularly among digitally savvy candidates. The goal is to make the recruitment process as engaging and seamless as possible.Navigate AI and Automation: Understanding the potential and limitations of AI in recruitment is vital. Organizations should focus on using AI to complement human decision-making and improve efficiency without losing sight of ethical considerations.Future Hiring Trends: Matt predicts that by 2034, hiring will be highly data-driven, with advanced AI and automation playing a central role. This will lead to more personalized and efficient recruitment processes, but it will also require careful management to ensure fairness and inclusivity This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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May 23, 2024 • 53min

EEOC Commissioner Keith Sonderling’s Take on Government Regulation in the Age of AI

"From the EEOC's perspective, whether an employment action, employment decision is made by a human or an algorithm, liability is going to be the same for those companies." "AI tools really have the ability to prevent discrimination, but at the same time, they have the ability to discriminate more than any one individual human being." -EEOC Commissioner Kieth Sonderling. Before we begin- Commissioner Sonderling requested that I share a link to this important report (Algorithms, Artificial Intelligence, and Disability Discrimination in Hiring).  While the report focuses on the Americans With Disabilities Act, the ideas put forth apply directly to employment decision making and is an important missive summarizing the government’s position on the relationship between AI and foundational regulation related to concepts such as the ⅘ rule and disparate impact.   Summary: How lucky are we?  My guest for this episode is none other than the grand poobah of employment regulations in the US, EEOC commissioner Keith Sonderling.  The Commissioner has many great attributes that underlie his approach to the creation and enforcement of legislation critical to ensuring everyone gets a fair shake when it comes to employment opportunities.  But I think one of his greatest attributes is his mission to make himself accessible to all channels of media and communication, including humble podcasters such as myself.   In some sense, my big takeaway from our discussion is the idea that the more things change, the more they stay the same. By this I mean that the central tenets of fair and equitable hiring practices are immutable.  While the tools that support employment decision making have, and will continue to become infinitely more complex, ensuring that signals used for hiring decisions are job related, and thus free of systematic differences based on irrelevant factors, is all that matters. The Commissioner and I have a really awesome and enlightening conversation about the evolving landscape of government regulation on AI in hiring. We begin with a discussion about his career trajectory, his insights about the integration of AI within HR practices, and the critical balance needed between innovation and ethical considerations.  We have fun delving into the specifics of current regulatory frameworks, including the seminal Uniform Guidelines on Employee Selection Procedures and the recent developments in laws such as New York City's Local Law 144.  Commissioner Sonderling shares his perspective that the future of regulation will likely be driven by state initiatives rather than new federal legislation. Takeaways:State-Led Initiatives: Commissioner Sonderling highlights that while the federal government may not introduce new legislation soon, states like New York and California are likely to lead the way in regulating AI in hiring. Employers should stay informed about state laws and consider adopting best practices from these regulations proactively.Navigating a Patchwork Regulatory Environment: With states potentially leading regulatory efforts, HR professionals must prepare to navigate a patchwork of regulations that may vary significantly from one state to another. This emphasizes the need for adaptable compliance strategies.Existing Federal Standards: Even in the absence of new federal legislation, existing laws and standards, such as the EEOC's Uniform Guidelines on Employee Selection Procedures, still apply to AI-driven employment decisions. Organizations must ensure compliance with these standards to avoid legal pitfalls.Proactive Compliance through Audits: Commissioner Sonderling advises businesses to conduct regular audits of their AI systems to ensure compliance and prevent discrimination. These audits should be thorough and based on relevant data to identify and mitigate any biases in the system.Vendor Responsibility and Data Integrity: The discussion highlights the importance of holding vendors accountable for the AI tools they provide. Employers must ensure that their vendors comply with ethical and legal standards and provide necessary data for compliance checks.  We can expect vendors to be required to participate in 3rd party audits of their tools at some point in the near future. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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May 9, 2024 • 52min

How Psychology, HR Technology, and Investment are Shaping the Future of Work

"Everything really starts with the customer. It's not just about having a technology, but understanding the problem you're solving." -George LaRoque Summary: In this episode, George LaRocque, a leading HR technology analyst, investor and the founder of Work Tech- the #1 source of truth around investment and growth in the HR Tech market, joins me to discuss the evolving landscape of HR technology with a twist on its psychological impact on employees and job candidates.  We discuss important topics that will define the future of HR tech and ultimately the future of work from the perspective of technology, commerce, and psychology. These topics include:Impact of investments on HR tech innovationImpact of generative ai and automation on work dynamicsThe influence of technology on the employee experienceSocial and psychological implications of remote work technologiesAdaptation and learning in a tech-driven workplaceEthical considerations and employee trustPractical Takeaways:Understanding Market Needs: George underscores the importance of aligning technology with actual market needs, emphasizing that successful tech solutions stem from a deep understanding of customer pain points, not just technology's capabilities. He stresses the psychological benefit of technologies that are developed with user-centric designs, which enhance user satisfaction and reduce resistance to new systems.Impact of Investment Trends on Psychological Well-being: By monitoring where capital is flowing within the HR tech sector, businesses can anticipate and adapt to emerging trends. George's analysis suggests that investments not only indicate which technologies will shape the future of HR but also how these technologies can affect employee well-being. Investments in user-friendly and ethically designed technologies can improve the overall workplace environment by reducing stress and increasing job satisfaction.Adoption of Generative AI: As AI continues to integrate into HR processes, George advises companies to consider how these tools can enhance operations without replacing the human element. Proper implementation of AI can help reduce employee workload and prevent burnout, but it's crucial to ensure these implementations are ethical and enhance employee experiences rather than making them feel replaceable or surveilled.Strategic Use of HR Technology for Employee Engagement: The conversation highlights the strategic advantage of using HR technology not just for automation, but for enhancing employee engagement and operational efficiency. Technologies that facilitate meaningful interactions and provide support in workflow can significantly improve psychological comfort and productivity among employees.Future of HR Tech and Psychological Impacts: Looking ahead, George predicts a shift towards fewer interfaces and more integrated, seamless experiences within HR technology. This evolution is expected to support a less cluttered and more efficient work environment, reducing cognitive load and fostering a more engaging and less stressful work experience. This future of "invisible" technology aids in maintaining a focus on human-centric operations, crucial for mental well-being. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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Apr 25, 2024 • 48min

The Journey from IO Psychologist to HR Leader: Mastering the Business of People

In this episode I welcome JP Elliot, HR and Talent Executive & Host of the Future of HR Podcast.JP Elliott is a forward-thinking global human resources executive with extensive experience implementing human capital initiatives that drive business results, improve organizational performance, and elevate company culture.He is a trusted business partner to C-level and senior management teams who can translate business needs into people strategies aligned with the enterprise priorities and P&L targets.Over his career, JP has been fortunate to work across a broad spectrum of industries and organizations, many under going significant business and culture transformations. These experiences have shaped him into a versatile, pragmatic, and global leader who builds strong teams that deliver results.Quote:“I think we're always looking for shortcuts, but there isn't a shortcut.  Most people aren't overnight successes, they're actually twenty year overnight successes. And when you start to hear their journeys and get to know them, you're like, wow, they've had setbacks.  They've had these things happen, but they stayed focused on delivering results, understanding the business, building great relationships, and finding a way to differentiate themselves along the way.”- JP ElliottSummary:JP’s podcast is one of my absolute favorite shows.  With a constant roster of big time guests, including famous psychologists such as Jeffery Pfeffer and John Boudreau, seasoned HR leaders, and experts on careers and leadership JP’s show has served as a source of inspiration and career development for me.  So I am really excited to have him as a guest on my show to talk about his own career and share all that he has learned from his travels as a PhD IO psychologist, HR leader, and podcast host.I learned so much good stuff from our conversation and I am excited to provide my listeners access to practical, actionable insights about:Starting and growing a podcastFinding your own personalized path to career success through self-development, hard work, and being true to yourselfWhat it takes to be a good HR leaderNavigating the sometimes competing priorities of thinking and acting like a business person while staying true to psychology and humanistic values.Using HR leaders’ views on assessments to field a successful assessment programHow to drive impact from the C suite and how to ensure the business notices and appreciates itHow to be smart about the adoption of HR technologyJP’s message of optimism, self-empowerment, and the importance of business acumen and practicality in the game of HR is valuable for anyone, but is especially relevant for IO psychologists with aspirations to navigate their way into HR leadership.So listen and share liberally! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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Apr 17, 2024 • 60min

The psychological impact of tech in the workplace: A simple matter of trust

Quote:We talk about the effect of technology on everything, but ultimately, it's the people that matter." This theme has shown up repeatedly, emphasizing that technology doesn't have uniform effects; we have to consider the psychology of implementation, how it's used, and its context​​.Summary:In a thought-provoking episode of "People, Science, Inc.," Dr. Charles Handler sits down with Dr. Tara Behrend, a leading expert in the intersection of industrial-organizational psychology and technology. They explore the profound impact of technology, especially AI, on workplace dynamics, employee well-being, and organizational effectiveness. Dr. Behrend, with her extensive background in the study of how technology influences human behavior at work, sheds light on critical issues such as the ethical use of AI in hiring, the psychological effects of remote work technologies, and the future of learning and development in increasingly digital environments.In this engaging episode of "People, Science, Inc.," Dr. Charles Handler welcomes Dr. Tara Behrend, an esteemed Industrial and Organizational Psychologist and current president of SIOP. Dr. Behrend, also a professor at Michigan State University, shares her insights into the psychological implications of emerging technologies in the workplace, the role of AI in learning and connection, and the significance of career and technical education in addressing evolving workforce demands. With a focus on how AI and technology impact employee well-being, decision-making, and organizational dynamics, this conversation sheds light on the critical intersection of psychology, AI ethics, and workplace innovation.Take aways:Balancing AI and Ethics in Hiring: The discussion reveals that while AI can streamline the hiring process, it requires a careful balance to ensure ethical application. Dr. Behrend stresses the importance of transparency and continuous oversight in AI systems to mitigate biases and uphold fairness, providing a blueprint for organizations to follow.Adapting to Remote Work Technologies: Insights from the episode illustrate that successful remote work depends not just on the technology used but on how it's implemented. Strategies for maintaining communication, fostering collaboration, and sustaining engagement in remote settings are crucial for preserving company culture and employee well-being.Innovating Learning and Development: Dr. Behrend points out that technology's role in learning and development extends beyond access to information. It involves creating adaptive systems that tailor learning experiences to individual needs, promoting more effective skill acquisition and career growth.Understanding the Psychological Impact of AI: One of the pivotal learnings is the nuanced psychological impact of AI on employees, including feelings of trust or mistrust towards automated systems. Companies are encouraged to foster an environment where technology serves as a support, not a replacement, enhancing job satisfaction and productivity.Navigating Technological Change: The episode underlines the necessity for both organizations and employees to remain agile amidst technological advancements. This involves fostering a culture that values upskilling, reskilling, and continuous learning as essential components for thriving in the evolving workplace landscape.Addressing Surveillance in the Workplace: Through her insights, Dr. Behrend highlights the increasing use of surveillance tools in monitoring employee productivity and behavior. A key learning from her work is the critical need for ethical guidelines and transparent communication about the use and purpose of surveillance technologies. Organizations must balance efficiency and privacy concerns, ensuring that surveillance practices are implemented with respect to employee autonomy and trust, thereby preventing potential negative impacts on morale and workplace culture. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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Mar 26, 2024 • 54min

Crafting the Future of Ethical AI in the Workplace with Matt Scherer

"Legislation... has not kept up with the pace of technological advancements, posing significant challenges for ensuring fairness in AI-driven hiring processes."-Matt SchererSummary:In this episode of "Science 4-Hire,"  I welcome Matt Scherer, Senior Policy Counsel for Workers' Rights at the Center for Democracy in Technology, a non-profit based in Washington, D.C. The CDT champions the advancement of civil rights in the digital age, striving to ensure technology respects and enhances individuals' rights and democratic values.Matt and I have an enthusiastic conversation about the importance of understanding and navigating the evolving landscape of AI and automation in hiring processes. Matt brings his expertise to the table, dissecting the intersection of emerging technologies with workplace rights, the nuances of AI legislation, and the vital role of public policy in safeguarding fairness and privacy. Matt and I dive right into some great dialogue about the challenges posed by electronic surveillance, automated management systems, and the quest to elevate worker voices through technology. We spend a good deal of time focusing on the critical evaluation of AI hiring tools, highlighting New York City's Local Law 144 and its implications for a broader regulatory framework. Matt provides some really interesting and important points about the criticality of using a design-first mentality in developing AI tools as a critical part of ensuring they serve to enhance worker empowerment rather than diminish it.Insightful Moments:Matt discusses the Center for Democracy in Technology's (CDT) mission to advance civil rights in the digital age, focusing on the workplace implications of emerging technologies such as AI and automated management systems. The CDT's commitment to this cause is grounded in ensuring technology serves to enhance, not undermine, workers' rights and privacy.The conversation highlights New York City's Local Law 144, examining its strengths and weaknesses in regulating AI hiring tools. Despite being a pioneering piece of legislation, Matt suggests that the law is riddled with loopholes that many companies exploit to avoid compliance, demonstrating the challenges in crafting effective regulatory frameworks.Matt emphasizes the importance of design-first thinking in developing AI technologies for hiring. He argues that most challenges associated with AI and automated hiring tools stem from design issues, advocating for a holistic approach that integrates ethical considerations from the outset.The dialogue touches on the role of transparency in AI-driven hiring processes.  Current practices often leave candidates in the dark about when and how they are being evaluated by AI, stressing the need for legislation that mandates clear disclosure to candidates.An exploration of upcoming legislation reveals a split between stronger regulatory regimes advocated by civil rights groups and more loophole-ridden proposals pushed by tech companies. This tension underscores the ongoing debate over how to effectively govern AI in hiring while protecting workers' rights.Matt shares insights into the civil rights standards for 21st-century employment selection procedures, a document aimed at modernizing and expanding upon the 50-year-old uniform guidelines for employee selection procedures. This initiative reflects a broader effort to update legal and ethical standards for employment assessments in light of advancements in AI and technology. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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Mar 19, 2024 • 56min

Chatbots & Generative AI in Recruitment: A Deep Dive with Martyn Redstone of pplbots

In this episode of Science 4-Hire, I welcome my new friend Martyn Redstone, founder of pplbots and a pioneering force in the intersection of conversational AI and recruitment technology. We have a fun and meaningful conversation about the evolution of chatbots and the role of generative AI in the recruitment process. With over two decades in technology and a laser focus on conversational AI solutions for recruitment, Martyn shares his journey through the advancement of chatbots from simplistic decision trees to complex systems empowered by natural language understanding, processing, and now, generative AI.  We thoroughly explore the implications of chatbots and AI technology on candidate experience, the nuances of designing effective chatbot interactions, and the potential pitfalls and promises of leveraging large language models in recruitment.  This conversation delves into the significant shifts in recruitment technologies, the criticality of design-first approaches, and the careful balance between innovation and ethical considerations in implementing AI tools. Quotes: "Now, we're seeing the move to generative AI-based chatbots... but it always comes down to having a design-first mentality." -Martyn Redstone:  Insightful Moments: Evolution of Chatbots: Martyn illustrates the journey from basic chatbots to sophisticated systems enhanced by conversational AI and generative AI technologies, highlighting the transformative impact on the recruitment landscape. Design Challenges: The conversation illuminates the complexities behind designing chatbot experiences that are not only technologically advanced but also ethically sound and user-friendly. Generative AI in Recruitment: They discuss the advent of generative AI in recruitment, addressing both its potential to revolutionize candidate engagement and the inherent risks of relying too heavily on such models without adequate safeguards. Practical Applications: Martyn shares insights into real-world applications of conversational AI in recruitment, from enhancing candidate screening to re-engaging talent pools through intelligent, automated interactions. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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Mar 12, 2024 • 57min

Ethics by Design: Responsible AI is Blueprint, not a Band-aid

"This AI piece and all the ethics and governance and everything that goes around that... it really warrants a dedicated role and some specific communities focused on AI ethics and risks."Bob Pulver: Founder of Cognitive PathSummary:My guest for this episode is Bob Pulver, a seasoned expert in the intersection of artificial intelligence and talent acquisition, bringing with him over two decades of experience from his tenure at IBM to the forefront of AI ethics and responsible implementation.This episode not only provides valuable insights into the mechanics of implementing responsible AI, but also frames a narrative that reveals the complexity and necessity of ethical AI practices in today's technology-driven hiring landscape.Bob underscores the importance of ethical AI development, emphasizing responsibility by design, speaking to the need for a proactive stance in integrating AI into people practices.  We both agree that compliance should not be a band-aid, or afterthought, but a foundational principle that begins with data acquisition and continues through to the implementation of AI-powered tools. A big part of our conversation revolves around legislation related to the use of AI hiring tools, including New York City's Local Law 144. Bob provides advice to organizations on navigating its anti-bias legislation and the broader implications for global regulatory landscapes.In sum, Bob and I both agree that responsible AI is not a game of short sighted interventions, but rather a transformative shift that affects every aspect of talent acquisition. We provide our ideas on how to navigate through this period of intense change, focusing on the practical challenges companies face, from internal upskilling to grappling with legislation that struggles to keep pace with technological advancements.Takeaways:Start with a Foundation of Ethics and Responsibility: Implementing responsible AI requires building your technology on a foundation of ethical considerations. This involves considering the impact on protected groups, ensuring accessibility, and integrating privacy and cybersecurity measures from the beginning.Understand and Comply with Relevant Legislation: Staying informed about and compliant with anti-bias legislation, like New York City's Local Law 144, is crucial. This law requires annual independent audits for automated employment decision tools, ensuring they don't adversely impact protected classes.Adopt a Holistic Approach to AI Implementation: Responsible AI transcends legal compliance to include a broader ethical framework. It encompasses fairness, privacy, cybersecurity, and the mitigation of various risks, including reputational, financial, and legal.Engage in Continuous Education and Upskilling: All stakeholders, regardless of their role, need to be educated about the ethical implications of AI. This includes understanding how to acquire and test data to mitigate bias and ensure the responsible use of AI technologies.Foster a Multi-Stakeholder, Cross-Disciplinary Dialogue: Creating solutions that are both innovative and responsible requires input from a diverse group of stakeholders. This includes technical experts, ethicists, legal teams, and end-users to ensure cognitive diversity and address the ethical, cultural, and practical aspects of AI.Prepare for an AI-Driven Transformation: Recognizing that AI transformation affects every aspect of an organization is essential. This realization should drive a commitment to responsible AI practices throughout the organization, from product development to deployment. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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Feb 27, 2024 • 46min

LLAMA, LLAMA- How to Avoid Generative AI Drama!

“So most of the world is made up of full stack application developers who build software for anything from HRIS to accounting, to supply chain, and what have you? For those people to easily add generative AI capabilities into their applications while remaining in compliance with the security, trust, and safety requirements that enterprises have, well that's a fairly difficult challenge.” Vivek Sriram- Co-founder of Bookend.aiSummary: In this episode of Science 4-Hire, I welcome my old friend and partner in crime Vivek Sriram, co-founder of Bookend AI, a start up that provides secure infrastructure that supports the efficient spin up and fine tuning of open source LLMs.We waste no time delving into the fascinating, confusing, and intricate world of Large Language Models (LLMs) and their burgeoning role within enterprise solutions, with a special focus on HR and hiring applications. We sure do agree on the transformative potential of LLMs to revolutionize enterprise software, enhancing functionalities such as candidate screening, resume parsing, and even generating interview questions—tasks pivotal to modern HR departments.Vivek brings me back down to earth a bit as he provides words of caution about the considerable challenges that come with integrating LLMs into enterprise systems, especially within the HR sector. Concerns around data privacy, the risk of perpetuating biases, and maintaining compliance with labor laws are significant when deploying AI in hiring. Vivek emphasizes the critical need for enterprises to navigate these challenges carefully, ensuring that LLM integration respects ethical guidelines and regulatory requirements, thus preventing potential adverse impacts on candidates and the hiring process.The good news is that Vivek outlines strategies for implementing LLMs in a manner that balances innovation with responsibility. Approaches such as utilizing open-source models for greater control and customization, and employing platforms that offer secure, compliant AI integration, are discussed as viable solutions. The idea of fine-tuning LLMs with proprietary data to better align with specific HR needs provides additional levels of confidence for those looking to use LLMs securely.Listeners will gain a nuanced understanding of the dual-edged nature of LLMs in HR and hiring contexts—recognizing their potential to significantly improve efficiency and decision-making in talent acquisition, while also grappling with the ethical, privacy, and compliance issues inherent in their use. This episode underscores the importance of thoughtful AI integration in HR practices, aiming for a future where technology serves to augment human judgment rather than supplant it.Take Aways:We must recognize that integrating open-source LLMs into enterprise applications comes with complex challenges, including navigating licensing, data usage permissions, output control, and auditing requirements.Enterprises must address strict compliance and security standards, especially in regulated industries, when implementing open-source LLMs. This includes ensuring data privacy, adhering to industry-specific regulations, and maintaining the integrity of sensitive information.Tailoring open-source LLMs to specific enterprise needs requires significant customization. Enterprises need to modify these models to align with their unique operational, compliance, and ethical standards.Potential solutions to the issues inherent with the use of LLMs involve employing strategies for effective management of open-source LLMs, include:Selective Model Adoption: Carefully selecting open-source models that best fit the enterprise's technical and compliance requirements.Data Management and Security: Implementing robust data management practices to ensure that the use of LLMs complies with data privacy laws and enterprise security policies.Model Customization and Fine-Tuning: Customizing and fine-tuning open-source LLMs with enterprise-specific data to improve relevance and performance while adhering to ethical guidelines.It is essential to stay informed about evolving regulatory landscapes related to AI and machine learning technologies to ensure ongoing compliance and adapt strategies as needed. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com
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Feb 21, 2024 • 53min

Talent Acquisition Excellence - A Reality Check

"There is no one way to do recruitment right, there are many ways to do it right but even more ways to do it badly." -Bas van de Haterd"The reality is that we're in an era of experimentation. We have to experiment continuously." -Kevin Wheeler Summary:In this episode of Science 4-Hire I welcome two old friends, distinguished Science 4-Hire alumni, and talent acquisition experts, Kevin Wheeler and Bas van de Hatred.The show is dedicated to a deep dive into their new book "Talent Acquisition Excellence,", which is a practical handbook for those who wish to learn how to apply best practices using the holistic framework created by these two experts as their guide.In our discussion we explore what excellence in talent acquisition actually looks like. In doing so, we delve into the book's key themes, including the transformative role of artificial intelligence in hiring, the necessity for ethical frameworks in AI deployment, and the importance of adapting talent acquisition strategies to fit organizational culture.One of the most important themes from our conversation is the necessity for talent acquisition professionals to adapt and evolve, emphasizing the need for experimentation and a strategic approach to integrating AI into talent acquisition processes. Kevin and Bas also share their journey of collaboration during the pandemic, highlighting how their perspectives from different corners of the globe have influenced the book's content. The conversation also addresses the challenges of navigating a landscape where technology outpaces policy, underscoring the need for talent leaders to innovate responsibly.Key Takeaways:Multifaceted Approaches to Talent Acquisition: The book emphasizes that there's no one-size-fits-all strategy for recruitment; success lies in customizing approaches to fit organizational culture.The Critical Role of AI in Hiring: Insights into how AI is reshaping the efficiency and scope of assessments, with a look towards future technologies like interactive holograms.Ethical Use of AI: The discussion sheds light on the ethical implications of AI in hiring, advocating for transparency and human oversight.Adapting to Technological Advances: The authors stress the importance of talent leaders being open to experimentation and adaptation in the face of rapid technological changes.Policy Development on AI Usage: A crucial takeaway is the immediate need for organizations to develop policies regarding candidates' use of AI in applications.Listeners will gain not only a nuanced understanding of the current state and future directions of talent acquisition but also practical advice on navigating these changes. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to stay at the forefront of hiring practices in the AI era while staying true to the foundations and frameworks required to do talent acquisition the right way. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit charleshandler.substack.com

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