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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript 251 [00:00:00] Brett: Hey, um, this is Brett. Welcome to overtired. I’m here with Christina and our special guest, Aaron Dawson. Uh, first off, how’s it going, Christina? [00:00:14] Mental health corner [00:00:14] Christina: Uh, pretty good. I’m tired. Uh, which is good, I guess, for the name of the show, but yeah, I’ve had like three hours of sleep, so I’m, uh, I’m a little more tired than usual. Although I took my Dexedrine like right before we started recording. So in probably 15 minutes, I’m going to like, get my, you know, burst of like, you know, amphetamine, adrenaline or whatever. [00:00:42] We’ll, we’ll be able to hear it. I’m sure. Once it kicks in on the show, [00:00:47] Brett: I have you beat. I got two hours of sleep and I’ve been up since midnight. Uh, it’s not, it’s not a manic episode. I was just doing research for this podcast. [00:00:57] So Aaron, how much sleep did you get? [00:00:59] Erin: [00:01:00] Thanks for asking Brett. A solid seven, not to brag. [00:01:05] Brett: God damn. [00:01:06] Erin: Sorry. [00:01:07] Christina: fucking fucking neurotypical people. Well, I’m sorry to assume. And I’m not, I’m not actually assuming, cause you’re on our podcast. So, uh, there’s gotta be like something that makes you, you know, like special because we’re special types of assholes, but uh, seven hours. Congratulations. [00:01:26] Erin: thank you so much. Um, so what that seven hours though, it was a pretty shaky kind of sleep. So I went out last night, um, to a little cocktail bar and I felt okay about it because I got tested yesterday. I’ve been, um, doing a lot of travel recently cause I just moved from Los Angeles to Pittsburgh. So I’ve been in airports and I just wanted to be safe. [00:01:50] So I felt okay about it. Um, so even though I got a solid seven, I’m a little hoarse cause we stayed out a little bit. So. [00:01:59] Brett: [00:02:00] Um, Aaron and I had this really fun conversation once about an unnamed coworker. Like he has a name, but we’re not going to name him. Uh, [00:02:11] Christina: like, like X. [00:02:13] Brett: yes. Coworker X, uh, w we decided he was aggressively normal. Like speaking of neuro-typical, he was aggressively normal and, but it doesn’t bode well for either Aaron or me. [00:02:29] I shouldn’t talk for Aaron. Aaron, how do you feel about aggressively normal people? [00:02:34] Erin: It doesn’t bode. Well, if I could, if I can get into the mental health stuff, just right off the bat, uh, I have like a pretty quick like barometer for if I’m going to get along with someone and it’s completely vibe based. Right. And that, that sort of test is like, do I think this person has ever wanted to do this something harmful to themselves? [00:02:57] Or do I think this person has [00:03:00] ever struggled mental health wise? And if the answer is like a no in a hard, no, it’s gonna be a bummer because that’s kind of like the fountain vein emotional foundation, um, that I keep with other people. So I don’t think there’s, I don’t think that Mr. X has ever, ever, ever wanted to do that. Okay. [00:03:20] Brett: no, I highly doubt that. [00:03:22] Christina: Whoosh, you know, I mean, cannot relate, uh, personally, but at the same time, I’m kind of like happy for you, Mr. X. Like, I, I, I, 100% see where you’re coming from Erin. And you’re like, I don’t think we’re going to vibe. Cause this is like a core part of who I am and like cannot relate with him. Part of me is like, I’m actually quite happy for you that you’ve never had to experience this. [00:03:46] This is strange. I don’t know what to do with this information, but good for you. I guess [00:03:52] Brett: There’s a whole world out there for normal people where they like hanging out with other normal people and do normal stuff and never think bad thoughts. [00:04:00] Well, if they do think bad thoughts, I imagine their bad thoughts are nothing like my bad thoughts. [00:04:06] Christina: probably that’s weird to think about. We talked a couple of weeks ago about masking and, um, and then, uh, we did get some, uh, incidentally, we did get some like, uh, uh, listener responses to my other controversial stances in that episode, which I will not be re litigating. Uh, and I appreciate the responses. [00:04:26] I’m happy that we can have those discussions, but, uh, we were talking about masking and yeah, it’s a weird thing for me. Cause like part of me I’m like, I think sometimes people have, who don’t know me. Um, and, and, and don’t like, listen to anything that I say, or like read what I write or whatnot. Like they don’t have those concepts of stuff with me. [00:04:44] And so they make assumptions and then I’m like, Yeah. [00:04:48] no, I, I, I’m not, you know, like, uh, a normal person, but, but people often who just like see the surface level stuff, like [00:05:00] I, most of my life I’ve kind of made those assumptions and I’m like, Nope, not, not [00:05:05] Erin: Yeah. Yeah. One of the first things I. Brett when you and I met each other, uh, officially, and I’ve known of you for, uh, for a while before we started working together. But, um, I feel like one of the first things you mentioned in your sort of introduction is like, Hey, uh, sometimes I, I have this thing going on and, uh, I might act a little differently and my schedule might be sort of asynchronous with yours. [00:05:32] Um, but usually I bounce back and it’s not a big deal. And that, that endeared you to me very quickly. [00:05:40] Brett: That’s funny. I immediately regretted making that my like opening line. I felt like maybe that was definitely oversharing. [00:05:47] Erin: I, yeah, I love oversharing. I mean, it’s, it’s the, it’s the sort of like, um, not evil twin of, of the thing earlier, where if you’ve never wanted to, you know, do [00:06:00] something harmful that I can’t relate to you, if you aren’t oversharer, especially about this stuff. Like, I absolutely love you already foundation. [00:06:09] Unconditionally. [00:06:10] Brett: uh, yeah, I like you’re the only person at work that I have openly talked about. My bipolar. Um, you, you, like there was an immediate, like, I felt like I could trust you and, uh, like disability laws and everything. I’m not scared that I like can’t talk about it to my manager. And if it ever becomes necessary to like explain something, uh, um, I’m not worried about it, but like, I’m not going to tell Mr. [00:06:40] Rex, he doesn’t need to know [00:06:42] Christina: No. [00:06:44] Erin: to know basis. [00:06:45] Christina: Yeah, I think that’s like, and that’s like the weird lesion of say, co-authoring right. Like when you meet somebody and you just know [00:06:50] like you can trust them and talk to them and you can have that human moment of sharing, or even if you feel like it’s oversharing it, which I think is great. [00:07:00] And, uh, I’m glad that you have somebody that like you can talk to at work about that stuff. [00:07:05] Right. I certainly have people that I can, although like to varying degrees and I’m sure I know I have colleagues and people who like listen to this, which is weird. So I’m kind of like, well, [00:07:15] Erin: Okay. [00:07:15] Christina: my whole life is out there, so whatever, but like, I know that like my managers don’t listen to this, which thank God. [00:07:23] Um, but yeah, but that’s, that’s nice that you’ve had that, but I do also understand there are those people who are like, yeah, I’m not gonna be, I’m not going to have this conversation. Cause it’s. They either either may a may not understand or be it’s just like, not, not the best opener, because just don’t need to know like, just, it’s not something you feel like you need to share with them. [00:07:45] Brett: You want her to know what else I did in our very first conversation. [00:07:48] Christina: is that? [00:07:49] Brett: I had put together some pieces of a kind of conversation and decided that, uh, that I understood Aaron’s sexuality. And, um, [00:08:00] instead of asking her like what her sexuality was, I just out and out said, Hey, are you and I, I think I threw you, Aaron. [00:08:10] I didn’t mean to. [00:08:12] Erin: No. [00:08:12] Brett: then I made a crack about, about vegans and California. And the whole thing felt weird [00:08:18] Erin: No, no. Um, there’s a sixth love language. Um, and for me that’s being like made fun of that’s the only way I feel sometimes, um, or affection, not just love. Right. Um, yeah, that, that, that felt really, really good to me. I, I think I kind of responded in kind by sending you some of my music, like band camp links, which [00:08:46] I, [00:08:47] Brett: said I had to, I had to stock you first. Like I found you on SoundCloud. I didn’t find your band camp. It wasn’t until we’d known each other for a few weeks, that you’ve shared your [00:09:00] band camp URL with me. We should put that in the show notes. Do you want that in the show notes? [00:09:04] Erin: Oh, that’d be fine. That’d be great. [00:09:08] Christina: yeah. Put, put, put her, put her camp stuff in the shutter. [00:09:13] Erin: I actually shared. Um, so, so I was doing, uh, I had, uh, I had a call with someone at work recently and they needed to share their screen and, uh, while sharing their screen, they, they played a YouTube video. And when the YouTube video ended, you know, you get to see a bunch of thumbnails for suggested recommended videos. [00:09:33] And they were all tool videos, like tool covers, tool drumming, uh, live tool sets. And I said, oh, you like tool. And he lit up and we talked about metal for awhile and. I, you know, I mentioned that I’m a musician. I actually went to school for music, this kind of thing. And afterwards slacked him, uh, you know, uh, a link [00:10:00] to some of my like more metally stuff and immediately deleted it cause I was embarrassed and he called me out. [00:10:07] Um, and it’s weird. It’s, it’s sharing this really personal part of yourself. When you talk about your mental health at work or you show someone your art, um, it’s, it feels like, you know, the stigma about mental health is, is sort of eroding over time and like pretty quickly, um, except this, except when there are power dynamics at play, especially in the workplace blase, blase. [00:10:34] Right. Um, so I [00:10:37] Christina: No, that’s a great point. And, and it’s weird right? Because there are certain mental health things you can talk about at work. I think that are accepted. And then there are ones that aren’t right. Like, um, and I think this is like totally fucked up, but like, if you have anxiety or ADHD, that’s more understood. [00:10:53] But if you were say in the middle of like an actual major depression, or if you suffer from bipolar or if you have, you [00:11:00] know, some sort of other disorder, then that’s like not quite as, as understood. And it’s, so this weird thing, like at this point, I think, especially in the industry that we work in there, it. feels like everybody is, is ADHD, which, um, uh, is nice. right. [00:11:17] I have to say it and people like have actual diagnoses and, um, and a lot of people are on medicine for it. Uh, like, uh, I shared this on the show before, but it was remarkably easy maybe to, uh, No, I’m not going to say 80 to a scary degree. Cause actually it should be like this, but, but it was remarkably easy when I hadn’t been on my ADHD meds in a couple of years because I had ghosted my shrink and did stupid stuff and I moved to Seattle and I went to the doctor on the Microsoft campus and I was talking to her about stuff. [00:11:51] First I’ve ever met her. I told her the name of my doctor. She didn’t actually like check stuff. I told her I had a diagnosis and she wrote me a script [00:12:00] for my Dexedrine that I got filled bad day. And then I was even able to get another refill. Um, and then I needed to like get back in touch with my shrink and get stuff done, um, with that was like my first visit. [00:12:12] And that was. That was a really easy way of getting access to drugs where you didn’t actually, like, you took my word for it, which I think is great and the way it should be, but not the way it usually goes. And I’ve known like I’ve had like coworkers who’ve come into the office and I’ve like gone to the on-campus like health center and have like, gotten like an Adderall prescription like that day. [00:12:37] Um, again, like, I’m sure, like, without them, you know, calling like to confirm with their other doctor or anything or whatever. Um, so it feels like that’s an accepted thing, but there are other things that it’s like, there is more of a stigma around it. And I don’t know if it’s that it’s not accepted because I could be wrong. [00:12:55] It could be more open to talk about it, but like I have, I’ve had like managers and like executives [00:13:00] who will talk about being ADHD, but I don’t hear the same thing about like depression, you know, [00:13:07] Brett: Or bipolar? [00:13:08] Christina: bipolar? Absolutely [00:13:09] Brett: No One’s up front about bipolar. [00:13:11] Christina: No, not at all. I mean, the, the bipolar stigma is still there. I think it’s important. [00:13:14] Like people like Catherine Zeta Jones, there’ve been some other, like, you know, celebrities who’ve been open about it. Well, Yeah. but Kanye is a bad example, right? Like, like Kanye, like, I’m sorry. But like, frankly, like, Oh, it was hurts some of the stuff more. Um, and, uh, w which is sad. [00:13:32] Brett: he’s a bad representative for bipolar. [00:13:34] Christina: Well, I mean, the, the art is great, but like, you see like the pain and like, this is why I had to stop, like, engaging with his Twitter stuff. [00:13:40] Cause I was like, oh shit, this is like, honestly not a good thing. This is not okay. But yet, but bipolar. [00:13:46] you don’t see people open about that, even though it’s, you know, more common. Um, it’s not a super common thing, but it’s, it’s more common, but yeah, like there’s still a stigma attached to that. Like I don’t think I’d be having a conversation about that with like a corporate [00:14:00] vice-president. [00:14:01] Erin: I have a theory about this, which is, um, you know, some of that, there’s like an Overton window of mental health here and bipolar ADHD they’re included. Like you can talk about that stuff. We’re still coming off of like bipolar and ADHD. Uh, we still kind of consider them like quirky or something, but not diagnoses for troubled people. [00:14:25] Um, they’re quirky where, as we’re asked something more serious, um, like a capital D depression, um, and this is where the like theoretical, uh, bar comes in, it distracts from. The capital from production, from labor, from work and air go there’s the, there’s still that stigma around it because especially, you know, places like, uh, like if you work in an open office and you’re gone for periods of the time period, long periods of time, like not a good look at [00:15:00] some places, depending on how the vibe of the office is. [00:15:02] And so the, the, the, the diagnoses that, and, and, and, you know, I guess illnesses that distract and prevent you from actually working are still stigmatized or as the quirky ones. Yeah. You got a pass or you’re, they’re not, they’re seen as, not as serious. [00:15:21] Brett: Why are managers so obsessed or some managers so obsessed with the hours you work? Uh, our managers are pretty cool. You know, as long as you get your shit done and you do good work, they don’t really care when you come into work. Or when you leave work, no one checks my clock, but I, when I quit my last job, it was like the, the straw that broke the camel’s back was I refuse to make my team work on a Saturday. [00:15:54] And, uh, and that w I was reprimanded for that. And I, my contract [00:16:00] said we don’t work weekends. And I S I stood my ground and it didn’t go well, and then I quit. I wasn’t fired. I got, I got pissed about it. And that was, I mean, I was already pissed, but then I got, and then I was just done. [00:16:15] Christina: yeah. Although in retrospect, maybe you should have quit removing should have let them fire you. Cause maybe the severance would have been better. [00:16:21] Brett: yeah. [00:16:22] Christina: That’s always the weird thing to know. [00:16:24] Brett: when I offered my resignation, the response was that’s weird. I was just about to give you a raise. I’m not sure if that’s true or not. The guy was a snake. [00:16:35] Erin: That’s what they all say. [00:16:38] Brett: I, I spent the rest of the next five years kind of regretting not having a stable job. It’s good to, it’s good to be back in the workplace. [00:16:45] Christina: We’re glad you’re back, but yeah, it is. That is like, uh, I don’t know. Um, I’m lucky that unless we’re on like deadline on something, like, we’re not super obsessed with, with ours, but it’s also been weird the last year and a half. [00:17:00] Cause we’ve all been working from home and it’s all been this weird fucking pandemic bullshit, um, that thanks to the anti maskers and anti-vaxxers, we’re going back into more lockdown stuff, which is fucking terrible. [00:17:13] Um, so it’s been easier, but yeah, I don’t know, like, it is a weird thing cause I’ve been on so many, I’ve been on a number of different teams at Microsoft and some of the teams are definitely more like you need to be in the office and make FaceTime sorts of things, but they’re not, but like it’s for appearances. [00:17:27] It’s not as if they’re actually like looking to see if I’m doing anything. In my, in, you know, in the office, it’s just, I need to show up at, you know, 20 hours of meetings a week. Um, so yeah, I don’t know. I, I, uh, before that, you know, I was in, I was in news and that’s probably one of the like least good careers in terms of like a work-life balance you can have. [00:17:55] Brett: You’re slave to the headlines at that [00:17:58] Christina: Yeah. Because it never stops. [00:18:00] And if you’re following something, it doesn’t matter if it’s like three o’clock in the morning, like you have to get up and, and cover it. So if it’s like your story, your beat or whatever, [00:18:12] Brett: yeah, I wouldn’t have made it in that profession. You know what we gotta, we gotta get rid of the zoom bots in slack. It is way too easy for people to start zoom meetings. Like you can just pop into someone chat someone’s chat type slash zoom meeting and boom. You’re in a zoom meeting with someone and there needs to be a barrier. [00:18:33] You should have to schedule that shit anyway. [00:18:36] Christina: do people actually do that to people like not say, Hey, can we have a call? And, and instead they just like randomly started meeting, like it started meeting. [00:18:44] Brett: Well, there, there will be one chat message prior to it. Uh, Hey, let’s have a call. And then the thing pops up with the link to join the zoom meeting. Yes. People all over my place of work. Do [00:18:56] Erin: Okay. [00:18:58] Brett: I hate surprise meetings [00:19:00] anyway, Aaron, uh, um, I’m gonna, um, I’m gonna shut up soon, but I I’m curious about this thing you put on to our shared show notes document about dud, uh, therapy sessions. [00:19:13] Erin: Yeah, right. Okay. So I it’s been about three years since I’ve seen a therapist, um, and over the pandemic, which is not over, I felt like I needed to come back, needed to come back to the fold. And I found a young Ian with whom I wanted to work and her name is Wendy. She’s great. Um, and, and. We’ve had really huge breakthroughs and it’s been so good for me. [00:19:44] Um, I never cry. Um, but during some of these sessions, like I get weepy. Um, and, and so they’ve been historically really good, but recently [00:20:00] there there’ve been a couple sessions where it just feels like, you know, why am I here? It feels like I’m at a Tiki bar talking to a good friend about some issues that I just, that are like dear to me and are painful to me. [00:20:18] And it feels good to just talk to someone about them, but there aren’t a lot of like, There’s not a lot of moving the needle, mental health wise, or trying to unspool a lot of this stuff that’s been, you know, for years been like this, this really naughty with a K uh, thing thing for me. And so last session this week, it just felt like it felt like that again. [00:20:47] And. I, I turned that kind of in words, where I felt like I failed my therapist and I feel like I fail her when this happens. And I feel like that because [00:21:00] I don’t know, I maybe I’m like too professional about therapy. Like I want to come with notes. I want to come with stuff to talk about rather than let it, you know, be this like natural con unscripted. [00:21:13] Conversation. And I find that when I do prepare notes, we don’t talk about any of the stuff that I really wanted to, but it’s stuff that we needed to talk about. But when I don’t prepare notes, it’s this weird thing. When I don’t prepare notes, we, and trust that it will be an organic kind of conversation, uh, leading to, you know, these, these breakthroughs and moving the needle, nothing ever happens. [00:21:40] Um, and I feel like I fail my therapists when that happens like that. I didn’t do enough prep that I didn’t do enough work to say, like, this is what I want to get through today. And in the next couple months, and I feel like I need therapy for failure. It makes me feel really terrible, [00:22:00] but yeah, it’s just died just a dud session. [00:22:03] Brett: I like, I, the times I’ve gone to therapy, I’ve found that I do not let myself be genuine. Like I put up this, like, here’s who I want to be, and I’m going to describe things the way I kind of wish they were. And it’s really, I’ve never gotten to a point where I feel like I’m being honest and then the session ends. [00:22:31] And I feel like, well, they probably have a great impression of me, but they have no idea who I actually am. [00:22:36] Erin: Oh, my God sing it sister. Yeah. Like I, I’m pretty flirty and that’s, that’s not necessarily a romantic thing for me. Right. Like, I like to have fun with people and yeah. And like play and charm. And I, my therapist is no exception. Uh, and we bring that up in therapy. Like I want [00:23:00] you, I don’t want you to think ill of me, and I’m not scared that you will because it’s your job to, to sort of not analyze me, but we’re all explainable. [00:23:11] And I would like you to explain me, but I do also need you to like me and I want to impress you and I want to make dumb jokes with you. And it feels good when there is no reaction to those jokes. And when that kind of charm doesn’t really work because. And, and not really reacting to that stuff. She’s sort of like communicating with me like that. [00:23:38] We’re not here for that. And, and, and sometimes that’s a defense mechanism, right? Like a nervous laugh or, or that kind of thing. So I’m, I’m actually heartened. Bye. [00:23:48] Christina: It’s interesting. So I’ve been with my therapist. Who’s also, so he is both a psychiatrist and he does therapy, which is a rare combo, but, um, um, uh, and I’ve been [00:24:00] seeing him at this point for other than like the, the two year like dark period. I’ve been seeing him since I was 19 or 20, so like half my life. [00:24:11] So more than half my life, um, [00:24:15] Brett: You’re not 40. [00:24:16] Christina: not 40. So anyway, but, but, but approaching, so I’ve been seeing him for like 18 years. So, um, uh, stayed like that, that two year kind of like dark period. So he knows me pretty well, and he’s seen me through some shit. Right. And, and we used to have it in person, although it’s been over the phone for the last 10 years. [00:24:34] Um, and now he’s actually because he’s in his seventies. Um, and God, I hope he doesn’t retire, but I know that it’s coming. Um, he, uh, with dependent against stuff is probably only going to be doing like, you know, phone conversations. And look, if you can charge $300 an hour or whatever it is that he charges. [00:24:53] Um, and of course he does not take insurance, um, for being on the phone with people. I’m, I’m sure that that, that, [00:25:00] uh, suits him just fine. Um, so I’m pretty honest with him and he definitely has seen like the real me and I think he likes me and I think he’s proud and that makes me feel good. I think he’s proud of like, who I’ve become and like, cause he’s watched me, you know, like. You know, my, my whole adult, I basically, which feels really good and that’s really nice. And so I totally like relate to the whole wanting them to like, like you sort of thing, but I will say, and this is what’s interesting. I do have the same sort of thing where if I don’t come with like a plan of a thing that I need to talk about, we will just have more general conversations. [00:25:35] And sometimes that can be helpful and he’ll come up with, with things that we can kind of work through. But sometimes it’ll just feel like, okay, well, what did I just pay for? And so I do have to, like when I was earlier, when I was younger and things, and I think we were probably getting, like, he was getting to know me and we were getting to kind of. [00:25:53] Try to figure out, you know, approaches, uh, to both medicine and, and, and my, um, my mental health and things like That [00:26:00] Like there was probably more exploration where that sort of general talking was probably really good, but now there are times where I do have to come in and be like, okay, this is. [00:26:11] what I want to talk about today. [00:26:12] And this is what I need to try to work through. And these are things that I’m trying to approach. Um, but it also, and I’ll be honest, sometimes in some cases there are situations where I’m just like, I don’t want to talk about this. I know that I should, but I don’t want to. So we’ll just talk about the other things that are going on and the other stresses and, and, or not stresses. [00:26:34] Brett: You pay $300 an hour out of pocket. [00:26:37] Christina: Oh yeah, [00:26:38] Brett: It must be good. [00:26:40] Christina: yeah, yeah. No, he’s, he’s excellent. He’s excellent. No, I mean, and, and I’m looking. But not to like, I’m, I’m very fortunate and I’ve been doing this. Like I see him, I see him monthly at this point. So it’s, it’s not like a weekly thing. Um, when I was younger, when things were really bad, when I was like in college, there were some times I would see him like [00:27:00] weekly or every other week. [00:27:01] Um, but obviously, uh, that’s not a super, uh, uh, economical thing. Um, and then, um, when I was in New York and, uh, I made less money and, and whatnot, like it wasn’t the easiest thing always to do, but yeah. Uh, I, I’m not saying that didn’t have anything to do with why I ghosted him. That was just my own mental health and stuff being bad. [00:27:26] And like, don’t go to your shrink, but yeah. Um, Yeah, [00:27:30] $300 an hour. [00:27:31] Erin: Yeah, [00:27:31] Brett: you ready for this? I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna segue into a sponsor break before I shut up for awhile. [00:27:37] Christina: Okay. [00:27:38] Sponsor: Sanebox [00:27:38] Brett: Speaking of mental health, you know, what can really make you crazy too many emails? [00:27:44] Christina: Boom. [00:27:46] Brett: Inbox. Zero is a thing of the past. We’re also inundated with email now that it’s no longer about responding to everything. [00:27:53] It’s about responding only to the important things, the messages that truly matter. And that’s where SaneBox [00:28:00] comes in. 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And then I’ve [00:29:00] just move a message from my inbox to one of those folders. [00:29:02] And when the time’s up, they move back to my inbox as unread messages and they work no matter which mail client I’m using, which is great. If you prefer something awesome, like MailMate on your Mac. So see how SaneBox can magically remove distractions from your inbox with a free two week trial visit sanebox.com/overtired today to start your free trial and get a $25 credit that’s S a N E B O x.com/overtired. [00:29:34] And it’s, I’ve always thought SaneBox should sponsor us. And now they are so a big thanks to Spain SaneBox. [00:29:42] Christina: Yay. Thank you. SaneBox [00:29:44] Too much about the Bachelor [00:29:44] Brett: So I’ll let you guys either continue with the mental health discussion or move on to something, uh, that I would hate, like, you know, the bachelor or whatever. [00:29:54] Christina: you watching bachelor in paradise? [00:29:57] Erin: You know, I am, uh, [00:30:00] I’ve, I’ve inhaled it. I have, uh, have you been watching? [00:30:03] Christina: Oh, yes. Yes. Bachelor in paradise at this point is the only reason I’m kind of still watching the franchise because I want to know who the players in bachelor in paradise are. [00:30:13] Erin: Wow. [00:30:15] Christina: I kind of hate all the leads of him being honest. [00:30:18] Erin: Okay. Yeah. Very, very relatable. I, I started watching pretty recently. Like I started with Hannah bees season. [00:30:28] Christina: Okay. Okay. So, okay, so you are definitely newer. Okay. All right. [00:30:31] Erin: definitely, definitely, but I’m, I’m in the, I’m in the fandom now, I guess like really hard. [00:30:37] Christina: nation. Yes, [00:30:39] Erin: Yes, of course. I’m in the, I’m in the nation. Um, I wasn’t there a lot of podcasts about it. [00:30:45] I’m on the sub Reddit. Um, and like I’m finding that among a lot of queer people, there is a special place in the queer heart for, for this stupid [00:31:00] show. It’s really, really the tie that binds us all. [00:31:04] Christina: Well, it’s a great show and some of the podcasts. So I think Nick vie, ally, I love him. He’s like one of my favorite contestants, like ever. And I think his podcast is good. There’s some other really good podcasts. Um, and is this weird thing in the last like five or six years? Like the show is like taken on a new, I think audience where like, you still have like the like Midwestern or Southern, like middle-aged like white Christian women. [00:31:30] Like that’s still a contingent, but there’s also like this younger queerer, uh, like more alternative, like more like just, you know, people who are watching it started ironically and then were like, God damn it. This is actually really [00:31:45] Erin: No, I know it’s [00:31:46] Christina: And, and this is, yeah, this, this is a terrible show, but yet it’s fantastic. [00:31:50] Have you watched, um, FYI. [00:31:53] Erin: you know? Yes. Uh, so I, I, I seen like the first two episodes and I had [00:32:00] to note out and the reason I knocked out is because, you know, you need at least one redeemable person and no one on F boy island besides the host is, is like likable in any way. Um, so I, there are too many like Chad energy dude’s that I had to, it was to testosterone. [00:32:24] I had to know about. [00:32:26] Christina: Got it. Got it. Okay. Yeah, Cause I, I do enjoy FYE island, which is from, um, I think like the, I think it’s like, uh, also a Mica Fleiss, um, production, and then, uh, there’s a, you know, in the, in the UK there’s love island, which is just fantastic. Uh, and, and, and I think a bachelor in paradise is the closest thing that we really have to a, to a love island. [00:32:46] I’ve had like many conversations with my, um, British colleagues about these sorts of things. And I’m like, okay, if you need like the American equivalent, you have to watch bachelor in paradise because it is just the trashiest, but like best thing. [00:33:00] And yet shocky Lee, like there’s, I mean, every couple of years there’s like a wedding. [00:33:05] Um, [00:33:07] Erin: it works sometimes. [00:33:08] Christina: it works sometimes. um, uh, Tanner and Jay’s still seem to be together, um, uh, from, from years ago and, and Carly and I can’t think of the dude’s name, but yeah. Um, it’s uh, yeah, so, uh, Connor, I saw this in the, I saw it. I saw you put this in the show notes, um, uh, Connor, uh who’s uh, we should, uh, let people listeners know who I’m sure most of you do not listen to the BA do not watch the bachelor. [00:33:37] Uh, he’s a cat, um, and a [00:33:42] Erin: Yeah. [00:33:43] Brett: Wait, there’s a cat on the bachelor. I find that that’s a sympathetic character to [00:33:49] Erin: do you want to explain this, Christina? [00:33:51] Christina: well, he’s not like quite a furry, but like, he’s like dressed up as, as, as like a cat [00:34:00] Yeah. But he does have like, strong, like, like, like cat. [00:34:03] like. A gut, uh, energy. Um, [00:34:07] Erin: So, so the way this works, Brett, um, and, and I hope you you’ll forget this and I hope you do because you had such little sleep such as so few hours of sleep. Um, [00:34:18] Brett: already forgotten. [00:34:20] Erin: oh, thank God. But, but. This works is when contestants for the bachelorette, all men get out of the limousine and meets [00:34:28] Christina: like an intro. [00:34:29] Erin: the bachelor ad for the first time, they try to woo them by doing some kind of novel thing that is designed to be memorable. [00:34:37] So like one bro from this season, uh, James who looks like a villain, Christina, um, stayed in a box for a while and, and revealed himself later at one of the cocktail parties. Someone had like a bouncing, like a, like a bouncing castle or something like this. And Connor came out in a cat suit [00:35:00] because he has a strong meta-game. [00:35:01] He found on the internet that Katie Thurston, the bachelorette was a big cat fan. And so he donned a cat costume. Um, so, [00:35:11] Brett: It’s a bit on the nose. [00:35:13] Christina: It’s very on the nose. [00:35:14] I’m sure that actually a producer came up with it because the producers are highly involved in these shows. In fact, there was a whole, uh, series on, um, on lifetime and then on Hulu, um, about the behind the scenes thing, um, of, uh, uh, kind of like a show like the bachelor God, what was it called? [00:35:29] It was good. Um, shit. It was with the girl from Broswell Sherry. Fuck. What was her name? Uh, This is going to bother me. Um, [00:35:41] Brett: I might just leave a gap here and I’ll explain that Christina is madly searching the internet for [00:35:48] Christina: no sh Sherri Applebee. I came up with her name really quickly, and then I forgot the name of the TV show, but it was because it was a good show. It was nominated for Emmys. It was, it was, uh, unreal. Okay. So there was actually a [00:36:00] show on that was three seasons that was quite good, uh, called unreal, which was all about like, kind of the insidious nature of the way the producers on the bachelor and the bachelorette, like work with contestants. [00:36:10] So the producers totally like told Connor to put on a cat suit and, and like encouraged him to do that. And like, the thing is is you almost never want to actually do that. Like you, you don’t want to do the stunts. Cause the stunt people think that they get the airtime, but you’re usually not going to get a rose. [00:36:26] So he actually did better. Cause he’s a hot guy and has a really good body. Like then we would have thought despite that the catsuit, but he’ll always be known as Connor, the cat. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, But [00:36:41] Erin: Yeah, the button, the button down shirts with like the first, like four buttons. Not, not like, like showing his chest, like some real Miami vice, but like not in a, like retro, like what’s old is new again way. Um, but [00:36:57] Christina: yeah. No, you’re, you’re not [00:37:00] wrong, but, uh, I do enjoy his Instagram and he has a really good body. And I enjoy him on bachelor in paradise because you know, really, really good body, uh, don’t mind seeing him like shirtless the whole time, which is like the whole point of this show. So, so people who aren’t familiar, so you have the bachelor, you have the bachelor, right. [00:37:16] Which is like 24 or 20 contestants or whatever. Looking for love with, with, uh, with a bachelor bachelorette who is almost always someone who was on the previous season, who the audience knows and who often got to the finals and then was, was heartlessly, you know, like, like, uh, love was not allowed or in some cases there was like maybe a, a proposal. [00:37:36] And then like, after the fact, the guy was like, yeah, actually I’m not into this. And, and, and we’re all like watching, uh, you know, uh, Becca get broken up with and, and, um, feeling pretty terrible about everything that we’re in a we’re enduring. And, um, so. Um, they take, uh, so what happens in bachelor in paradise is they take the people who probably didn’t get all the way maybe they did, but [00:38:00] usually didn’t, um, from past seasons and they put them on an island where they’re there for like two or three weeks with lots of alcohol and food. [00:38:12] And they basically just hook up and fuck, and then there’s like an elimination ceremony. Like if you can’t find a partner to fuck, um, although they don’t like explicitly say that, cause the bachelor is this weird place where it’s puritanical, where they’d like to pretend that sex only happens in the fantasy suites. [00:38:27] But, uh, the, the, the, the, the goat of the franchise, uh, Kaitlyn Bristowe flux, Nick vow on their first one-on-one halfway through the season, they had to extend production in a foreign country for several days because of that decision. No one knew that was coming Kaitlyn. Bristowe all hail our queen. She is the greatest bachelorette of all time for that reason. [00:38:51] Um, uh, but, uh, but bachelor in paradise, uh, where’s the bachelor or bachelorette. I try to like sell this vision of a fantasy of love. [00:39:00] Bachelor in paradise is like, no, we’re going to make fun of all these people because we know they’re all ridiculous. It’s way more about the drama and the fucking impairing off. [00:39:09] And it’s it’s truly sublime trash television. [00:39:12] Brett: I cannot fathom liking this. You, you want to know what you want to know that the last reality TV I watched. [00:39:20] Erin: bar rescue. [00:39:22] Brett: first season of survivor. Uh, like I, I gotten through, uh, what was that re the real real world? [00:39:31] Christina: Okay. Shut up. Don’t don’t pretend like you don’t, you didn’t watch the railroad. [00:39:34] Brett: I did it. [00:39:34] Christina: X or fuck [00:39:35] Brett: did, I watched the real world and, and I wasn’t, at that point, I wasn’t as down on reality TV, but then I was in rehab and like inpatient rehab. [00:39:45] And the only thing that was ever on the TV in the lounge was survivors. So I, I, I rolled with it and, and I got into survivor. And then I got out of rehab and never watch reality [00:40:00] TV again. [00:40:01] Christina: Well, [00:40:02] Brett: That’s just me. [00:40:03] Christina: No, no, but I mean, I get it. You missed a lot of truly terrible television in the two thousands during the reality TV, boom of the two thousands. However, so I am sorry that you missed some truly, truly terrible television, like Jim millionaire and, um, uh, uh, uh, do you want to marry a multimillionaire and, uh, and other like truly abominable, um, uh, stuff by the bachelor. [00:40:28] Like is a little bit of a wink and a nod. Um, the franchise itself proper has started to lean more into kind of acknowledging like who many of its fans are. But bachelor in paradise when it started was unique because it was in it’s like, I think five or six years old at this point, maybe a little bit older in that it was the first time that this cause of the series and part of my initial appeal, which was ironic. [00:40:52] I have to admit at the beginning, um, was that it took itself like so seriously and was so chaste and some of its [00:41:00] approach to things, even though you always knew that stuff like went down and, and, and second greatest bachelorette of all time, uh, uh, Courtney Robertson, um, um, Rachel Lindsay, who is truly the greatest bachelor at, of all time, the reason I’m not putting her number one is she was too good for the show. [00:41:14] Then she’s too good for it now. She doesn’t like count, like she went on that show and was great for a presentation, but she was too good for the show when she went on, she’s a, she’s a lawyer. Um, uh, her dad is a federal judge. She’s also the first black, um, um, lead on the show, which was stupid that it took that long. [00:41:35] But anyway, before bachelor in paradise, the show would always have like this very like highly stylized kind of regimented thing. And with, with a couple of very dramatic exceptions, like they really, you know, pushed a certain kind of way of editing and whatnot. And you didn’t see any of the messiness, whereas a bachelor in paradise, like they just lean into the messy and it’s just fantastic. [00:41:57] Sponsor: Notion [00:41:57] Brett: Hi, how do, how do I segue from [00:42:00] this into, uh, of sponsor? Read about notion. [00:42:04] Christina: Okay. [00:42:04] So if you want to just keep track of your bachelor, um, nation, um, a fantasy list? [00:42:10] Brett: With your coworkers. This episode is sponsored by notion the all-in-one team collaboration software that combines note-taking document sharing, wikis, project management, and much more into a simple, easy to use tool. Not all work collaboration tools are created equal. Some only allow you to organize information while others only allow for project management. [00:42:34] Notion is the one tool for your whole team. 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[00:43:39] So don’t forget that notion.so and enter promo code overtired during checkout. Get collaborating with $250 off@notion.so and use promo code overtired. Thanks notion. [00:43:55] Christina: Okay, [00:43:56] Brett: Can I tell you, [00:43:57] Somehow, more about the Bachelor [00:43:57] Christina: go on. No, no, I was just going to, [00:44:00] was just going to say, Aaron, did you have anything else? I just want to know if she had anything else to add about the bachelor. Yes, she does. [00:44:05] Brett: I’m done. Okay, go ahead, Aaron, [00:44:08] Erin: close the loop to close the loop. Christina, I want to talk about your very quickly, your attraction to Connor. Um, so, so Connor, he’s a Hottie, but he’s like a nice guy. He’s like, he’s a normie, which is, I don’t know if that’s the word we use to describe Mr. X earlier, but strong, like aggressively [00:44:28] Brett: Aggressively normal. [00:44:29] Christina: a math teacher. [00:44:31] Erin: So w okay. But he’s also a [00:44:34] Brett: known a lot of weird math teachers. [00:44:36] Erin: Connor is also a musician. What does that mean? That means he brings his ukulele to the island to the beach. My, my question to you, Christina, is, does the cringe factor of Connor’s ukulele and singer songwriter, Jason morass for 2021 vibe like. [00:45:00] How does that play with his, his attractiveness to you as a presumably straight person? [00:45:05] Like, does it offset it? Does it enhance it? Like how do you [00:45:08] Christina: Oh, no way diminishes it 100%. Like I like, like again, like I just want to see him with his shirt off, like to be clear and, and I would prefer to not even hear him talk that much. Like I’m kind of wanting him to just be at Himba if I’m being totally honest. No, the music is totally cringe, but he’s also a nice guy. [00:45:24] He’s sweet. He’s enduring. Like there are so many assholes on that show. And, um, I have to say Lance bass, who I don’t love anyway, I don’t, um, he was on Nick vials, uh, podcasts, and he was like bitching about how like Connor was only on the show, like to get his music on. And like, dude, you’re not wrong. And you look, he, he has a certain point look, almost everybody in the bachelor this point, like, there’s this weird, like direct through line between the bachelor and bachelorette, adjacent people at people in that bubble. [00:45:56] And then like Nashville, like it’s weird. They all go to live in Nashville [00:46:00] afterwards. They, they find a lot of people in Nashville. It’s a weird thing. Um, uh, what’s a space Wells, uh, you know, one of the hosts who’s, who’s great. Like, is, was, it? was a radio DJ in Nashville, Wells, uh, who famously, like he got fairly far in his season just because he had a good personality, but he had like, didn’t have chemistry with the, with the contestant, like not really romantic chemistry. [00:46:21] He was just a really fun guy. And he has a great personality and he clearly was kind of odd. He was like, yeah, you could, you could tell that he was like, Yeah. my radio career will probably do well. And you? want a bachelor in paradise, had a great time. And now I think he’s engaged to like one of the stars of, um, uh, modern family or whatever. [00:46:36] So like, he’s, he’s doing well for himself. Like that was Seuss. I was like Lance bass. I was like, Yes. he wants to get his music on, but I don’t actually think that was the whole reason he went on the show And of all people to talk, dude, like the only reason you’re guest hosting, this is because you want people to listen to your shitty podcast or Sirius XM show, like, honestly, fuck [00:46:57] Erin: he’s not, [00:46:57] Christina: bass. [00:46:58] Erin: he’s not a great host [00:47:00] either. Uh, no, Chris [00:47:02] Christina: That’s what I’m saying. No, also. Yeah. He’s no, Chris Kirkpatrick. Sorry. Like he’s the weakest member of Insync. So like don’t come in here as the weakest member of Insync. Okay. [00:47:12] Brett: He’s also, he’s also one of the, the second, most famous member of Insync. So [00:47:18] Christina: he’s not, He’s not more famous than, than [00:47:20] Erin: famous member of in-sync with the fish last name. [00:47:23] Brett: we, can, can I know, I promise to let you talk about like the bachelor and [00:47:28] Christina: we can move on. We can move on. [00:47:30] Ok, we’re done with the Bachelor. Nerd time. [00:47:30] Brett: I really want to tell you about how I solve my VPN woes. [00:47:34] Christina: Okay. Okay, [00:47:35] Brett: that too, is that too harsher transition? [00:47:37] Christina: it’s not, this is a perfect transition. I’m really glad we’re, we’re making this transition? and that we’re, we’re done with bachelor talk. Uh, Aaron and I will be starting our own podcast. I will be restarting the basic bitches guide to life with Aaron is my cohost. Um, Aaron, you’ve just been voluntold for that. [00:47:52] Um, uh, Brett, go on. Tell us about your VPN. [00:47:55] Brett: Like I was a good sport, right? [00:47:57] Christina: No, you were, [00:47:58] Brett: Okay. Cool. [00:48:00] Cool. So our [00:48:02] Christina: he hated this so much. [00:48:04] Brett: work, uh, what makes us use, uh, Cisco, any connect to get on the VPN? And you know, all of the stuff like confluence, confluence, sorry, Aaron confluence, and, uh, and, uh, JIRA. And then all of the internal documents and everything, you gotta be on the VPN, but when you’re on the VPN, everything else is so slow and, uh, the VPN times out, and you have to enter your password every time because it doesn’t store credentials and every time your computer sleeps, it logs you out. [00:48:39] So it’s a constant, it’s a hassle. I hate it. I put my password on a key binding, uh, to save some time, but still annoying. So, uh, my manager turned me on to a Docker, uh, container that runs. Uh, it has like its own proxy debt [00:49:00] PAC filed that it can serve up to, um, Macco us, uh, auto configure for the proxy. It targets all of the, uh, possible Oracle in internet domains and ignores any non-Oracle traffic. [00:49:17] And then you route your, uh, your ports through the Docker image. And it’s, it’s seamless. You have to research it every 24 hours, but you can put that on a launch D job, but I didn’t want to run Docker on all my machines. So I’m running Docker on my old 2012 Mac mini in the corner of my basement. That’s like my home automation server. [00:49:45] So Docker’s running there with a launch D that that re restarts it every 24 hours. And then I just have launched D on each of my other computers that uses SSH to create a [00:50:00] tunnel to forward those ports so that the proxy dot PAC file, which redirects stuff to local host ports, [00:50:08] Christina: Right? [00:50:09] Brett: then when it redirects the local host host ports, it actually goes through the Mac mini and it is flawless. [00:50:16] I have never been happier. Well, I’ve never been happier with a VPN setup. I I’ve been happier, but they’re just really cool. [00:50:24] Christina: No. Okay. So basically, so you’re running Docker on this 2012 Mac mini and then your, um, SSH to launch D to basically run the, uh, the config file. [00:50:35] Brett: Yeah. I, I have a launch D job that, that runs SSH in the foreground. So the launch D job just keeps running until the SSH fails or crashes, and then it has a keep alive. So it just restarts the tunnel. So basically it’s always, always running and I never have to think about whether I’m on VPN or not. In fact, I’m on VPN right now and [00:51:00] it’s not affecting my, my bandwidth at all. [00:51:02] Christina: Nice. Nice. It seems like, have you ever looked at tail scale? Are you familiar with [00:51:07] Brett: have no idea what that is. [00:51:08] Christina: Okay. Tail scale is. bad-ass. So it’s basically kind of like a zero config, like VPN sort of install and it helps you get like wire guard basically installed or, or things similar to that. But without having to do the difficult configuration that wire guard entails, but you can install it on any device you can share with. How much people in your local network, and then you can basically kind of create like host names so that you could access like your home machines remotely without having to, to like manually configure like your or firewall stuff or, or, you know, like, like figure out like how you’re like handling like the DNS and all that stuff. [00:51:45] It’s really, really good. [00:51:46] Brett: What’s it called? [00:51:47] Christina: It tail scale. T a I L S C a L E. [00:51:53] Brett: Yeah. Okay. [00:51:54] Christina: It’s really good. My, uh, my friend, Brad, um, uh, works on it and, um, [00:52:00] uh, it’s awesome. Um, I don’t know if that would do anything for your setup, but it’s been, I would definitely encourage people who might need something similar to look into. And I don’t know how it would work with the Cisco AnyConnect thing. [00:52:13] For some reason, I thought that you were able to get around some of this by using a different VPN client. Did that end up not [00:52:18] Brett: so, yeah, like Shimo was kind of working for a little while, but then, uh, like it got to a point where it would, I could get to intranet sites while it was active on the VPN, but I couldn’t get to the rest of the internet. Like I couldn’t do it simultaneously. Uh, the only way I ever got that to work was with Cisco AnyConnect while I had that fucking over-protective profile, that MDM, that Oracle pushed onto my personal machine. [00:52:49] Uh, and for that period of time, the VPN was bearable, but I still had to do that logging in and out, but Shimo still like, I couldn’t get [00:53:00] this. I don’t know what I’m doing with networking and VPN stuff. Like I beat stuff until it works. I spent the weekend, uh, getting all of the port-forwarding right on my Synology so that I can get remote access. [00:53:18] And I built a, uh, so Synology has dynamic DNS built-in and Namecheap can add dynamic DNS to any domain you register there, but Synology can’t update Namecheap. So I wrote a blog piece [00:53:36] Christina: brain? Did, did you write a thing like for their API to basically, [00:53:39] Brett: Well, I, yeah, I just, I wrote a, uh, service that I added to their like default services. So now the dropdown includes names. [00:53:47] And now I have my custom domain that I won’t share publicly because it’s all, you know, private, but I have a nice short, custom domain. That’s very personal to me because I’m vain [00:54:00] and I can access my, my Synology, my local web servers, uh, everything my home automation server. [00:54:09] Christina: So you’ve kind of created this mesh VPN thing, similar to what they’ve done. Um, and I’m not wanting to undo your work, but I really want you to look at tail scale cause they have a technology package and, um, it just, it makes so much of the configuration stuff, especially on mobile devices so much easier. [00:54:27] So I want you to, I want you to like, especially next time you go into like a, a manic, like deep dive space. I want you to go into tail skill. Also their documentation is really good. Um, Aaron, I don’t know how much you fuck with networking stuff. I fuck with it enough to be dangerous, but not enough to like really understand things. [00:54:46] Um, uh, but uh, I like, uh, I liked history. [00:54:51] Brett: I will check that out. [00:54:53] Erin: Speaking [00:54:53] Brett: I don’t think errands. I don’t think Aaron’s into this stuff. Are you into this stuff? Aaron? [00:54:58] Erin: No, but here’s what I have to offer [00:55:00] here is a question. Maybe I, what I started at hour an hour at our workplace, Brett, I wanted to be, you know, like a device separatists where like I have my, you know, MacBook pro, but I have my iMac where like I do things, um, and pretty quickly learned that that’s like not a super tenable thing because I much prefer using my main machine, my iMac over the, over the laptop. [00:55:28] So I’m just going to sometimes VPN in to my iMac. Here’s, here’s my question. I’ll, I’ll have to VPN and to access confluence or JIRA or whatever, and then we’ll forget to disconnect from the VPN in the meantime. And here’s where the question is. I might, I might go to some unseemly things, not necessarily NSFW, but you know, a little, a little racy does, you know, [00:56:00] VPN does a lot of things. [00:56:01] But one thing that it does for our place of work is probably I’m guessing surveillance. So if you go to an unseemly website, um, not that that’s going to be flagged, but is that, uh, does that display on the, is it logged on the other end? [00:56:19] Brett: Okay. [00:56:19] Christina: So I don’t know about your policies. Do you know the answer to that, Brett? [00:56:22] Brett: I know that there is no policy that says it is not logged. [00:56:28] Christina: Okay. So. I know that for instance, at Microsoft, if I’m on the corporate network, like the sub-net, I can basically guarantee that any traffic that I’m visiting is logged. somewhere. Although I also know those logs are purged, and I also know that they’re 160,000 employees or whatever. And so, you know, that likelihood of them seeing anything is minimal. [00:56:53] I know that at least for us, like my managers can’t see anything. Um, th th th the trust and safety team might be able to, [00:57:00] or whatnot. I do also know that they have, um, that they block certain websites and they actually block certain connections. Like I can’t use bit torrent on the corporate network, um, unless I, use a different VPN on top of the corporate, like hardwired VPN, which yes. [00:57:19] Um, [00:57:19] Brett: I, I got bit too hard for my Synology, so I’m glad I figured this out. [00:57:23] Christina: Yeah. [00:57:23] no, I mean, and in my case, I mean, I was actually ironically doing the thing that I always make fun of people for claiming to be like, don’t let your Linux system. I’m like, no, you’re not in this case. I actually was downloading some sort of like large thing where like the main distribution thing on there on the project site was like, not through a CDN, but was through a bit torn link. [00:57:41] And then I realized, I was like, oh, they won’t let me have this sort of. Makes sense that because people would abuse the, the very fast, uh, corporate internet and also they probably don’t want Microsoft servers coming up in the logs of those places. I totally understand. Um, you are more than likely logged. [00:57:58] I don’t know if it would, [00:58:00] I don’t know what it is. Like if you were on your personal machine, like, do you have, is it like MDM managed, so on your personal machine or you basically your SSH then, so, okay. So if I’m understanding the scenario correctly, your personal machine doesn’t have any sort of like device management on it is your personal thing, but you are then SSH into your, um, like your titling through to access your other machine that is connected to your corporate VPN to then access resources. [00:58:28] Am I understanding that. [00:58:30] Brett: Right, but it has basically a grip that searches for only internet sub domains. And if it doesn’t match one of those, it sends it right back to be handled as, as usual. [00:58:44] Christina: Right, [00:58:45] Brett: the only traffic that I can possibly send through [00:58:48] Christina: No, no. Right. No, super. No. So for you, you’re fine. But I’m asking for, for Aaron, like when you’re doing this art in this scenario, are you SSH into like your other machine access that stuff? Or are you [00:59:00] like, are you meaning that you’re actually using your VPN on your like iMac [00:59:04] Erin: exactly dummy, simple, open any connect, you know, connect through the [00:59:09] Christina: access a work resource and then you’re doing other stuff? Yeah. It’s okay. It’s probably, Yeah. it’s probably being logged somewhere, but again, [00:59:21] Erin: But also who cares? [00:59:22] Christina: Right. I was going to say the one, like this is like, cause I’m like, uh I’m. I would like to be a separatist. I can’t be completely, our policies are pretty clear about what they will and won’t monitor, but I’m aware, like if I’m connected to like the VPN, like the bacon do stuff, although for personal machines, I think some of the stuff is slightly different, but I don’t know enough about the intricacies. [00:59:43] Murder. We’re talking about murder. [00:59:43] Christina: Um, I assume that they can monitor what websites, at least the URLs, like if not the content. Cause if it’s, you know, it’s HTTPS that can’t see what you’re, what you’re doing. They could at least see the domains. In which case, you know, like I said, like Oracle has how many, you [01:00:00] know, like they have over a hundred thousand employees. [01:00:02] Um, I’m sure that the logs expired a certain period of time. They don’t keep them, you know, forever people have better things to do that said. you murder someone, um, make sure you’re not connected to the VPN. And if you’re going to be Googling, like how do I hide the murder weapon? Don’t be locked into your Google account. Ideally be using different, you know, VPN service that has a no locking policy, uh, or, you know, um, like a burner laptop. That’s, that’s my advice for how to get away with murder, by the way, free advice for the audience there. Use a [01:00:37] Brett: to get away with it. Should that be the title of the episode? I was going to go with fuckboy island, but [01:00:43] Erin: Yeah. [01:00:44] Christina: get away with murder might be good. Uh, Yeah. [01:00:46] no, that, that w cause I, I don’t know about either of you, I watched like the crime shows and my whole thing is, even though I know that I would never get away with crimes because I would do something that would be stupid, uh, more than likely, like [01:01:00] I would do something to get caught, but I always think about like all the mistakes they make and like the op sec things. [01:01:06] And I’m like, man, okay. How would you do this to not get caught? Like that’s where my mind goes. Is does that make me like a fucked up person? [01:01:14] Brett: no, that’s my first, that’s my first consideration. [01:01:18] Christina: Yeah, because I always want to think about, go on. [01:01:22] Erin: has analytical people. We can cosplay as any thing we want and explore all those kinds of options. Should something happen to us? Like one of the, one of the reasons we dream rights supposedly is that like our, our brain is like, this is, this would be a scary scenario for you. So I’m going to simulate it and watch how you behave so that if, and when this ever happens, you might know what to do. [01:01:48] So I don’t think that makes you a weird person. I think we’re designed or a fucked up, I think we’re designed to do. However I did see, uh, online, um, uh, about this, like [01:02:00] about a way to, to get rid of a body that really struck me. And it’s really, really clever. The idea is that you would tell the police where a body is buried. [01:02:11] And so they’ll go out to this, this forest or whatever, and dig up where you told them where you tip them off. They don’t find anything. They put the dirt back, they look elsewhere. In the meantime, that’s where you put something that you want to hide because it’ll look like the fresh soil was dug up by the police and not by the killer. [01:02:34] Christina: Right, And then like, what is the likelihood That the overtaxed homicide department is, going to go back to the place they’ve already checked out? That’s clever. [01:02:44] Brett: That is, I imagine that that could work. I will never get to test it. Uh, I’m a vegetarian, so I just, I, I, I, I wish I wish I could have proof that that [01:03:00] worked, but also, I don’t think anyone would talk about it if it did. [01:03:04] Christina: Yeah, My only thing with that would be, you need to make sure you’re not a suspect because then you, cause if you worked and they probably are surveilling you and then they could like pick up on you, you [01:03:16] Brett: Based on all the cop shows I’ve watched. Yes [01:03:19] And then came Colombo [01:03:19] Christina: Yeah. I was going to say, um, grant and I were watching, um, a, uh, a Colombo rerun last night. Um, [01:03:26] Brett: One more thing. [01:03:27] Christina: Yeah, this is our final thing. [01:03:28] No, but it was really good. It’s called it was actually a really good episode. It was like written by Stephen J Cannell, the guy that went on to create the Rockford files in the team and, and, and shit. Um, and, uh, in this case, cause here, and then Greg is so annoyed with me because what I always do with, with these shows is I always root for the killer. [01:03:45] Like I want them to get away with it. Like I don’t want Columbia to crack the case. And Colombo of course is always going to crack the case. That’s the whole damn thing. Right. But I’m always like, no, man. I like really like want like the killer to like get away with it. And this guy was really clever and, and, and had [01:04:00] honestly, if it weren’t for some pop science from 1973, that they’d interjected into it, the rest of it was all circumstantial and they never, it never would have been, the Columbia never would have solved the case, but, uh, but Yeah, um, that, that, that just was reminded me of that. [01:04:15] Sorry. [01:04:16] Erin: that, that Peter folk is a tall glass of water. Isn’t that his name? [01:04:20] Christina: Yeah, I think [01:04:21] Brett: James Garner was better. [01:04:24] Christina: I, I mean, I don’t disagree. I mean, you know, James Garner was also on TV for fucking ever [01:04:30] Brett: I did love, I did love Columbia though. I’ve watched so many reruns of Colombo, [01:04:34] Christina: you see you and grant are like, so similar, [01:04:38] Brett: birds of a feather. [01:04:40] Christina: honestly. Cause like I, the Colombo shit like drives me crazy. Sometimes I’m like really Colombo and he’s like, no, it’s so good. And yeah, like, like, like you Erin, like I, I think grant is very into Peter Falk. I think that he thinks he’s of tall glass of water and uh, um, use very funny, um, actor, but, uh, yeah. [01:05:00] [01:05:00] Brett: You know what show gets really good in season four. [01:05:03] Christina: What’s that? [01:05:04] Brett: Speaking of like mystery crime solving shows, [01:05:08] Christina: Yeah, it does. [01:05:08] Brett: like I was enjoying Chuck, but then season four came along and holy shit, like I’m hooked. Like I want to watch it every night now. It’s, it’s goddamn good. Like I got to season whatever, five of community and it just kind of [01:05:23] Christina: It kind of fell off. Yeah. [01:05:26] Brett: So now it’s like, Chuck is my comfort show. Watch it every night before bed. Crazy. [01:05:31] Erin: if you, if you got to season and that’s the Sopranos for me right now, but if you got to season four, where you not already, huh? [01:05:39] Brett: I, I was enjoy. Like I like to always have, uh, at least one just comfortable show that I can kind of play my phone, play on my phone while it’s on half pay attention to, it’s just kind of like a way to let down after a busy day at work. Uh, and that’s been everything from Frazier [01:06:00] to, uh, what was, uh, the, the Bob hope show we did for a little while. [01:06:06] Like, it’s always just mostly old outdated TV, [01:06:09] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. Um, [01:06:11] Brett: yeah, Chuck, Chuck was that [01:06:13] Christina: Um, have you watched either? Cause we just bought, we just recently got, uh, on our, um, Plex, um, all of ’em both a new heart and the Bob Newhart show and, uh, pop knew her as a fucking funny guy, man. [01:06:26] Brett: he, yeah, that show had a lot of, a lot of brilliant moments in it. [01:06:30] Christina: Yeah. But both of them were good. Right. [01:06:32] Brett: I didn’t, I didn’t see the second. I only saw it. Like, no, I was watching what’s it called? The new hearts. There was like a, [01:06:40] Christina: it was the, one of the N [01:06:42] Brett: I don’t know. [01:06:43] Christina: is the, so there’s cause there’s the Bob Newhart show where it was like, he’s a psychiatrist and any, he’s got his kind of, uh, you know, um, uh, you know, kind of, it’s like a kind of, you know, uh, sixties and like sitcoms and he’s a psychologist and, and, and. [01:07:00] It’s not dissimilar from Frazier in some regards, but it’s, it’s honestly very different and he’s very funny. [01:07:05] And then there’s new heart, which is, he’s like running an Inn. [01:07:10] Brett: yeah, that’s the one I’ve [01:07:12] Christina: Okay. So, so the Bob Newhart show, which was a decade earlier is also great, but it’s very funny. And the thing is, is that if you watch the Bob Newhart show, then the series finale of new heart will make more sense because, and this is why this is a spoiler and I’m sorry, but it’s been 30 years audience. [01:07:27] You’ve been whatever. And it’s at this point a known trope, but the series finale of new heart is considered one of the greatest of all time because it ends and in this was also a trope at the time in the eighties where like, it was just a dream. That was a thing that they did on Dallas and shit like that. [01:07:43] He wakes up. And he’s in bed, not with his wife from new heart, but with his wife, from the Bob Newhart show in his character, from the Bob Newhart show. And he’s like, I just had the weirdest dream and starts talking about all these crazy people. They were in his life. And like that is considered like hands [01:08:00] down, like one of the greatest, like TD finales of all time. [01:08:03] Like they didn’t do any how I met your mother ruining it. Shit. That’s like a, like up there with St. Elsewhere. And the Sopranos. Speaking of stuff that you, as your comfort show Aaron as like one of the greatest finales of all time. [01:08:14] Erin: I can’t wait. [01:08:16] Brett: All right. So I feel like I need we’re 20 minutes late for an optional meeting right now, but I feel like I really need to start both the Sopranos and the wire, because I’ve never seen either. [01:08:27] Christina: Oh my God. I’m so excited for this. Okay. So Aaron, is this your first time watching the Sopranos? [01:08:33] Erin: Yes, it is season five, baby. [01:08:36] Christina: a season five. Okay. All right. So you were watching some of the greatest television ever. Um, so I’m, I’m excited for you to see how it ends because it, it does it very well. And unfortunately, because, um, James Gandolfini died, like it is, you know, kind of like the, uh, we won’t ever get like our revisitation with at least him anyway, but, but David Chase [01:09:00] who created, uh, well, he wrote for Rockford files, speaking of Rockford files, um, and, uh, um, Northern exposure and stuff, but Yeah. [01:09:08] uh, there’s a really good book that I need to find, um, that I think he attributed to, um, about the Sopranos. [01:09:15] So the book is called, um, difficult men behind the scenes of a creative revolution from, um, uh, the Sopranos and the wire to mad men and breaking bad by Brett Martin. It came out in 2014. It’s a really, really good book. Um, and, uh, that is good. So you need to watch the Sopranos Bret because 20 years on, I’m actually mad. [01:09:35] Well, now you’re in rehab in New York doing other stuff and you thought you were too cool for HBO. I get it. You thought you were too cool for HBO. You weren’t, but, but you thought you were, um, Aaron, have you watched the wire? [01:09:47] Erin: I have I watched up to season two. Um, but yeah, kind of, kind of fell off and, and let me just say really quickly, the reason that I started the Sopranos is because I’m getting a pretty [01:10:00] major surgery next month and we’ll have a lot of like bed rest time to recover. And I wanted to start something with like a really steep catalog, lots hours to watch, but like I wanted to save like maybe 30 hours and I couldn’t do it. [01:10:18] I had to keep watching. So [01:10:20] Christina: Yeah, no. Which [01:10:21] Erin: the wire too in recovery. [01:10:23] Christina: should, you should both watch the wire. Um, because the thing is, is that I think Like because the wire, every season has like a different focus area. Um, Brett and, um, [01:10:33] Brett: Like true detective. [01:10:35] Christina: um, no, not really. It’s more like an investigation into a different part of like the city. Like there’s one season, like season four, I think is all about like the education system and, you know, some things are about kind of like the, you know, some of, some of the, and kind of the impact of, of drugs and, and that sort of thing, like on like, you have like similar characters who go throughout all of those seasons, but it’s, it’s focused on like a different area. [01:10:59] [01:11:00] Um, I, I don’t know. I think David Simon is brilliant. The wire. It’s one of those things where I don’t want to, like, over-hype the show. I don’t know how much you will love it. I think it’s some of the best television That’s ever existed. Um, I mean, I okay. My, no, but I do like, okay, so David Simon’s book, I’m just going to. [01:11:20] Like Christina out for a second. Um, clearly it drink kicked [01:11:23] Brett: what we’re all here for. [01:11:25] Christina: So in 1991, David Simon wrote a book called and I’m going on memory here. So I think it was 1991. You wrote a book called, um, homicide a year on the killing streets where he was embedded. I believe it was 1989 with the, um, Baltimore homicide division for a year. [01:11:43] He’s a reporter for the Baltimore sun. And he was embedded with the homicide team for a year. And like, they let him basically see everything and like he’d lays out like the rules of what he was and wasn’t allowed to do at the beginning. And then like he didn’t interfere, but he was kind of a fly on the wall and he captured everything. [01:11:58] And at the time Baltimore was [01:12:00] like the most deadly city in America and had like a ridiculous number of unsolved rates and whatever stuff. The book is a phenomenal piece of journalism. I just want to say it’s a phenomenal kind of like work of art in and of itself that went on to be the basis for what I consider one of the greatest network television shows of all time. [01:12:19] Um, homicide, um, um, uh, life on the streets, which aired on NBC, the final seasons, weren’t quite as good because the network fucked it up, but it it’s tremendous television it’s unfortunately not on streaming. You can find it on other places because they released it all on DVD. Um, that was created by a guy named Tom, Tom Fontana. [01:12:39] They shot it in Baltimore and, and used, you know, um, a lot of the actors who were in homicide, you’ll also see in the wire. You’ll also see in Tom Fontana’s other show Oz, which I think is tremendous, even though it’s very pulpy. Um, David Simon started writing for television on homicide. He came in, I think like the third season and then he adapted or helped adapt his [01:13:00] second book called the corner into a mini series for. [01:13:02] HBO. [01:13:03] And that kind of kicked off, I guess, the idea with HBO of, Hey, Let’s let’s do the wire and, and, and the wire is, is, uh, often lauded as like the greatest television show. You know, one of the greatest television shows of all time. I don’t know if I’d go that far. I think it’s certainly up there. Um, and, and it’s, uh, like it, it’s 60 episodes. [01:13:27] So if you need like hours, Aaron, like that might be a good one to look at. Um, it’s on HBO max or whatever. It’s it’s really good. Have you watched the Americans? Aaron. [01:13:42] Erin: Hell. Yeah, it’s so [01:13:43] Christina: Okay. Okay. Cause, cause I, my opinion, the Americans was the greatest show of the 2010s. One of the greatest shows like of this century. Um, so if you liked the Americans, then I think that you would like, obviously other aspects, like you only got through two seasons, but I think like maybe [01:14:00] watch more of the wire because, um, it’s, it’s really strong. [01:14:07] Erin: So we can start oh, with a bachelor in paradise in a wire rewatch podcast is what you’re saying. [01:14:13] Christina: Yeah. 100%. Cause I really think that. [01:14:16] that’s what we need. We need like really gritty, like drug, like drama and like, uh, like, uh, indictment of the system, which is what I love about what I love about all of Simon’s work and like [01:14:28] Erin: Uh Bacchanalia and celebration of, of lust. [01:14:32] Brett: Is that one podcast or two, [01:14:35] Christina: I mean, it should [01:14:36] Brett: to combine the [01:14:38] Christina: I mean, I mean, it should be too, but I honestly feel like it should be one. Like, I [01:14:42] Brett: can like a super bipolar, you could like split it down the middle, have a sponsor break in the middle and then you switch to like dark. Yeah. Yeah. [01:14:50] Christina: we will have five listeners, but I kind of love this idea. [01:14:53] Erin: A small, but dedicated nature, [01:14:57] Brett: I’m working on a new podcast right now. That’ll [01:15:00] probably have five listeners. Maybe it’ll get off the ground. [01:15:02] Christina: was that? [01:15:03] Brett: It’s a, it’s a secret project for the time being, I will definitely hype it when it’s ready, but we’re, we’re recording a bunch of stuff in advance and trying to figure out exactly what our format’s going to be. [01:15:16] And I think we’re going to do like a half hour podcast. It’ll be interesting. I promise. Um, but I will, I will give you more details. [01:15:25] Erin: It’s about VPN. You can say it. It’s a podcast dedicated to your VPN project. [01:15:30] Christina: Yeah. [01:15:30] Brett: No, I’m I’m [01:15:31] Christina: called, it’s called Bret P N. [01:15:33] Brett: no, I’m doing a podcast with Mr. X. We’re doing like a turnaround hooch. [01:15:39] Christina: You’re doing a Turner and hooch thing. Where, where it’s, it’s like normy normy and the [01:15:43] Brett: He is, he is clearly hooch. [01:15:45] Christina: clearly. [01:15:47] Brett: Yes. [01:15:47] Christina: wait, was, was hooch the dog or was, was hooch. Um, [01:15:52] Brett: which was the dog, you know, I’ll be honest. I’ve never seen it. [01:15:56] Christina: you know, I don’t think I have either. I just know it has Tom Hanks in it and, um, and [01:16:00] it was kind of a flop. [01:16:01] Brett: Cause I heard, it [01:16:03] Christina: You know, I don’t know. I, [01:16:04] Brett: part of the zeitgeists [01:16:06] Christina: part of the zeitgeists but, uh, but for some reason I thought it was a flop. I thought it was one of those that. didn’t do super well. I don’t know it. No. Um, no, it Did well budgeted 13 million box office, 71.1 million. They didn’t have a big marketing budget. No, it was a hit. [01:16:18] Okay. I don’t know. I [01:16:19] Brett: just flash like Chuck. [01:16:21] Christina: no, I had to look that up on Wikipedia. Uh, I, I wish I could flashlight Chuck for that. I flashlight Chuck during the homicide, a wire like freak out. That was sadly completely from memory, um, that I did not actually reference Wikipedia at all for which is messed up. But, um, uh, I did have to look this up. [01:16:41] Uh, I knew that it was, I knew it was touchdown. I knew it was Disney. That’s the fucked up thing. I knew. I knew that studio. I didn’t know the other details. Why did I know the studio? The movie came out when I was five years old. I have no idea, but yeah. [01:16:54] Brett: We should go. Hey Aaron. Thanks for coming. [01:16:58] Erin: Been an honor. [01:17:00] you. [01:17:00] Brett: You’ve been, you’ve been a swell gas. We’ll have you back again. [01:17:03] Christina: definitely have you back [01:17:05] Erin: forward to it. You. [01:17:06] Brett: All right. Well, Aaron, Christina gets some sleep. [01:17:10] Christina: Get some sleep, Brett and Erin. [01:17:11] Erin: Get some sneakers, CNN, Brett.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 250 [00:00:00] Brett: Hey, Christina. I actually don’t know who’s wicked as through the intro. [00:00:08] Christina: I think it’s your week, Brett. [00:00:10] Brett: Is it okay? Hey, everybody, you’re listening to over tired and I’m Brett Terpstra and I am here as always with Christina Warren, Christina, how are you? [00:00:20] Christina: I’m good. I’m tired. Um, uh, per the name of the show, but yeah, exactly, exactly. But I’m good. [00:00:28] Brett: That is that. Yeah, I’m, I’m in kind of the same boat. I’ve got up at four 30 this morning, which is an hour before I intended to get. So, um, I got that like tinge of tire, but also I went to bed at like nine 30. So it’s not like a horrible, horrible night’s sleep. I got a good seven hours. I’m okay. I’m not at my, like a hundred percent fully awake, but, but I can make this work. [00:00:54] I have a, I have a hard out for workshop today. So this episode might not be the [00:01:00] full 60 minutes, but I would, I would say we’ll get a full 50 minutes out. [00:01:05] Christina: Yeah. this’ll be w w we’ll we’ll give you your, your overtired money worth, right? [00:01:10] Brett: Yeah. Well, we’ll cram 60 minutes of content into just 50 minutes. That’s our guarantee. [00:01:18] Christina: That is our guarantee. [00:01:19] Brett: So do I sound good? [00:01:20] Christina: I was going to say, you sound really good. [00:01:23] Brett: Aye. Aye. Aye. Finally, after years of buying like one, maybe $200 microphone. And like then, you know, a year later buying a new microphone. I figured I’m just going to do the thing I always should have done and get the shirt [00:01:41] So now I have a, I have the legendary vocal podcasting radio microphone that is kind of the industry standard and it it’s like 400 bucks, but I shouldn’t have to buy another microphone. [00:01:58] Christina: no, no. I have one too. [00:02:00] I’m not using it because I’ve needed to set mine up. It’s a whole thing, but I’ve used it previously when we’ve recorded and, uh, it is an amazing mic. It’s the Michael Jackson one. [00:02:10] Brett: Is it really? What does that mean? Exactly? [00:02:13] Christina: uh, that means I I’m almost positive that that is the mic that he used when he recorded. [00:02:19] Brett: Oh, now, like it’s a microphone that inappropriately touches children. [00:02:24] Christina: No, no, it is not a molesting, uh, microphone. Uh, it, it, it is a, the majority, it’s not a pejorative is actually like in a good way. Uh, uh, I mean, I’m sure that the shore people at this point probably are like conflicted. They’re like, okay, on the one hand, one of the greatest albums of all. And, and Quincy Jones, you know, certainly one of the greatest producers of all time and, and, and, you know, fantastic recording. [00:02:51] On the other hand, the legacy of Michael Jackson, uh, is, shall we say complicated? [00:02:57] Brett: Yeah. So like the me too movement [00:03:00] really brought the idea of a second. Art from the artist, uh, to the forefront. But Michael Jackson was kind of the first time that in my life, we had to deal with like this amazing body of work and this irredeemable person, and being able to appreciate that work without justifying the actions of a monster. [00:03:26] Christina: no, I agree with that. And I think what’s for me anyway, what’s harder with Michael and it’s, and it’s an interesting thing because I almost feel like. I have to separate, like I can see Michael Jackson before 1993, which was when the first allegations against him became public. And after 1993, and I kind of feel like post 1993, Michael Jackson, like even the music and like, I, I want nothing to do with it. [00:03:54] Um, the, the pre stuff, you know, I can still really respect, [00:04:00] but yeah. [00:04:00] Brett: Did he do anything good after 93? [00:04:02] Christina: I don’t think he did his is actually I think what helps there. But The the, the broader, I think challenge for me is that I’m like, I’m not even really, I don’t even really want to engage with any of that content. Right. Like it it’s like, I don’t know. [00:04:16] I don’t even want to know, like to find out, like, I think that there was like, cause he had the Lisa Marie Presley era and there, there was his, his history, you know, double anthology thing. And I don’t know, there might’ve been like one or two hits there, but, but I think that it was. Uh, you know, it was kind of like, like black or away. [00:04:36] White is probably like the last [00:04:38] Brett: the ironically titled black or white. [00:04:41] Christina: Featuring Macaulay, Culkin, who to be fair has never claimed any impropriety. Uh, and I believe him, I think that there’d be no reason that, that he would like be, I mean, look, it’s not anyone’s business, but, but I feel like, you know, other people come forward, like there wouldn’t be any reason for him to, to not come forward. [00:04:58] Um, I [00:05:00] also feel like Macaulay Culkin was probably not an ideal victim for him because he was so incredibly like famous. Uh, [00:05:11] Brett: R Kelly wouldn’t fuck with another pop star. [00:05:14] Christina: exactly like, like, right, like even R Kelly, it’s like, okay. He, he groomed and, and really fuck with Aaliyah and, and like illegally married her and then her parents found out. We’re we’re putting an end to this because she is 15 years old. [00:05:31] R Kelly and, and, and you’ve released an album that you’ve produced called age. You know, it was just a number. Um, but, but they like, you know, you know, squashed all of that, but like after her star. [00:05:44] was on the rise, it wasn’t like he was going back to the Aaliyah. Like, you know, like, I guess faucet or whatever. [00:05:54] I don’t know. [00:05:54] Brett: So can you do, do you still listen, like Ryan Adams did that [00:06:00] Taylor swift cover album? That was, it was pretty fantastic. Like, can you still listen to that? [00:06:06] Christina: So it’s, it’s weird. Cause I was such a huge Ryan Adams fan, like for, you know, for 20 years, like I’ve, I’ve been a fan of his since high school and, um, [00:06:16] Brett: at what he does. [00:06:17] Christina: He’s very good at what he does. [00:06:18] And it’s hard because when the allegations came out like that gutted me, I was just like, God, this, this is hard. [00:06:25] I don’t like go out of my way necessarily to listen to his work, but it stuff does come up like on my weekly apple, like my favorites playlist. I don’t skip it. [00:06:37] Brett: Okay. [00:06:37] Christina: Like, you know, I don’t go out of my way to listen to it, but I don’t skip it, but it’s weird because like, you know, um, I actually wasn’t that familiar. [00:06:47] I’d heard of her before and I knew of her, but I wasn’t like super familiar with her work, but PA Bridgers, who I really, really like was someone who came forward, like in that New York times expos and was like, he groomed me and he [00:07:00] was gross and he was, you know, inappropriate and whatever. And, um, And I really like her work now. [00:07:05] And so it was like this weird conflicted feeling. Right. [00:07:08] And then like you hear from Mandy Moore and you hear from other people and you’re like, fuck, like this guy sucks. Um, the thing that slightly makes it easier with him, I think at least for me is I can, somehow I can be like, Okay. [00:07:20] Well, what do you did is terrible and I’m not defending it, but it’s not child molestation. [00:07:25] Brett: Yeah. [00:07:26] Christina: Like. But, but yeah, but it’s hard. Like art versus artists is just such a hard thing. Like when I found out Roald Dahl was an anti-Semite and like a terrible person like that crushed me, but I still have like exceeded love for his books from childhood. [00:07:43] Brett: Walt Disney was a Nazi. So I think there’s this weird line that I, I unconsciously draw. Like I used to, I used to appreciate not love, but appreciate Marilyn Manson. Uh, like he had a lot of songs, [00:08:00] everything from like Como white, up through a seven day Benj. Like there were a lot of songs that I was like, these are cool. [00:08:07] This is, this is, I like this. But as soon as like he got taken down, I can no longer listen to it. It comes up and I just skip it. Cause I just, I never liked it enough, but like, I’m not going to give up on Disney. I’m not going to stop watching Marvel movies because of like Disney, Walt Disney’s character. [00:08:25] Christina: No. Absolutely see is easier to innocence in that. Like, it wasn’t one person, it was a collective, you know what I mean? Like he was the CEO and he might’ve created the Mickey mouse character, although that’s debatable too, you know, but, but he was the primary, you know, author or whatever, but like, [00:08:42] Brett: Yeah. Well, and you could say the same about like Harvey Weinstein [00:08:46] Christina: Oh, yeah, Harvey Weinstein. I, I don’t like, look, he was a producer, um, uh, eight, there was like a film that we knew of definitively that like, The way it was made. There’s something really [00:09:00] terrible. That happened. That’s one thing, but I’m not going to not watch Miramax stuff because a, in most cases, like whatever, he, he did all the horrible things that he did, like are usually like book. [00:09:17] A lot of art comes from paint and a lot of terrible things happen behind the scenes with kind of anything. and. [00:09:21] if we try to, at least for me, we try to apply those sorts of moral standards. We could never enjoy or consume anything or talk to anyone. Right. Because we’ve all in some way descended from people who’ve done bad things. [00:09:36] Um, [00:09:37] Brett: Yes. [00:09:38] Christina: you know what I mean? But, but like, Um, yeah, but yeah, for, for, well, Disney is one of those things. There’s like, I’m not going to Revere the guy. And like, maybe when I see like the statue of him at Disney world, I’m like in my head, I’m kind of like Lall, but yeah, I, I don’t, I don’t have that, that same issue. [00:09:57] Same thing with like, um, like you said, with, [00:10:00] with Miramax stuff, like it’s like, Okay. [00:10:03] Yeah. The guy who ran the studio was a really, really shitty person. [00:10:07] Brett: Are there any movies that like. Really good, but have a sorted enough backstory that, that people won’t watch them anymore. [00:10:16] Christina: Hm. [00:10:17] Brett: I can’t think of any offhand. [00:10:19] Christina: I can’t either. I’m sure there are some, [00:10:21] Brett: Oh, I’m sure. I’m sure, [00:10:23] Christina: We’ll get in front of thing. Like if you knew like how it happened, like I’m sure. Yeah. I’m sure, [00:10:27] that there are some, like, if you knew that there were like rumors enough, I don’t know. I know a lot of people have problems with Woody Allen stuff. Um, and I, and I can understand that cause he’s close to [00:10:38] Brett: sure. Yeah. That’s true. Well in any stars and a lot. Yeah. [00:10:41] Christina: well that’s what I mean, like, like, like he’s, he’s not just like the Artwar in the sense of like the director and the writer, but is often, you know, the star and whatnot. [00:10:50] And so I could see people having a problem with that for me. Like again, it’s one of those things I can’t see myself choosing to engage with his new [00:11:00] film. But I am not going to discount the artistic merit of his, of his past. Thanks. [00:11:09] Brett: We just killed 10 minutes of our show talking about something that was in no way on our list. [00:11:14] Christina: I know, [00:11:15] Brett: What’s the point of lists even. [00:11:17] Christina: What is the point of loss? He said, no, it would have been well, but we got there. It could, because you’ve got your brand new mic, which is. [00:11:23] Brett: Yes in a very, uh, ADHD, conversational path. We, we did, we got from a new microphone to Walt Disney as a Nazi and under 10 minutes, [00:11:37] Christina: Okay. [00:11:38] Brett: nicely done. So did I tell you, uh, about the new, new tricks I figured out with having multiple streams? [00:11:46] Christina: No, you didn’t. Cause we talked about how you did like your, um, touch bar, you know, thing, but, but, but no, we didn’t, I didn’t hear about the multiple stream deck tricks. [00:11:56] Brett: I actually have my stream deck set up to toggle my touch [00:12:00] bar simulator on and off. But that is not part of this trick. So on my, I have a, uh, what, 15 key. Yeah, 15 key stream deck that sits flat next to my keyboard where my left hand can control it. And then I have a six button stream deck. That’s. Um, yeah, on my desk, in front of me where it’s like super visible and I can hit it with the index finger of my right hand, but I love that, uh, you can assign applications to change profiles. [00:12:34] So when I switched to like VLC, the, the video controls come up and if I switched to Spotify, the Spotify controls come up. But when you switch away from the end, Uh, it, it switches the profile back. Ah, okay. So it’s 50 50. Sometimes it switches the profile back. And what good is a Spotify controller, if you can’t control it when you’re not actually in Spotify, [00:13:00] like if I have the Spotify app loaded up, I don’t need a fucking stream deck. [00:13:05] And then sometimes it fails to switch. When you leave the app, leaving a profile that has like no relevance outside of the app. So I’ve kind of given up on the app based profile switching and I just made on my 15 button stream deck. I have a button called mini. And when I hit it, it brings up, uh, a page of, uh, mini profiles. [00:13:32] So I can just hit like zoom or VLC or ScreenFlow. And it loads up on the six button, um, mini it loads up a profile specific to whatever I request. So it’s a little more manual, but it gives me like the nice thing about it is if you are working with justice stream deck, many, you always have to put exit buttons. [00:13:55] So one of your buttons always goes to like exiting [00:14:00] and [00:14:00] Christina: So, so you’re always like losing. So you’re losing like, you know, like a, like a sixth of your buttons. [00:14:07] Brett: And, six buttons is way more handy than five buttons. Like if it were, if it were on my 15 and I was losing one 14, isn’t that much different than 50. [00:14:15] Christina: Exactly. But, but, but six and five. Yeah. It’s like, it’s just like a significant amount. [00:14:19] Brett: Yeah. So, so being able to switch the profiles manually from my, with my left hand has given me like a whole range of new options on the mini. I love it. It’s it’s a cool trick. I think everyone should have to, to stream decks. [00:14:36] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I have the XL, so I kind of have. The equivalent of that. Um, but [00:14:43] Brett: The XL would take me too long to find the button I’m looking for. [00:14:47] Christina: Yeah. that is kind of an issue with it, but I, for me, it was one of those things where I knew that the, the small one, like the, the was going to be too small. And I felt like that the normal size, when I was like, maybe this won’t [00:15:00] be enough. I was like, I could see where I was going to be like, oh, I’ll want to, or whatever. [00:15:04] So it was like, I’ll just get the giant one. [00:15:05] Brett: Yeah, Yeah, no, I could see that. I can, I can see how I might be super happy with, you know, how many buttons are on the giant one, [00:15:14] Christina: I don’t even know. I think it’s like 20 I think it’s 20 [00:15:18] Brett: Um, yeah, I could see myself really like getting into that, but also it would take so long to build the profile. [00:15:26] Christina: that that’s that’s that’s the thing is that, yeah. It’s it’s um, like it takes a lot to do that. So sometimes you don’t. Oh, it’s, it’s a it’s 32. So. So, yeah, so it’s like, yeah. So I don’t use them all, like it’s one of those things. [00:15:41] Brett: You can buy ready-made like kits for like, uh, DaVinci resolve and final cut. And, uh, I couldn’t find any for apps that I actually thought the stream deck would be useful for. Um, although I could use the DaVinci resolve one, I think it, it didn’t seem worth the money [00:16:00] to me, but like that could save you some time that you use the stream deck software later. [00:16:06] Christina: Yeah. [00:16:07] Brett: Have you seen that? They added a whole icon library and sound effect library. [00:16:13] Christina: Yes. Yes. And I haven’t, it is very cool. [00:16:17] And I, haven’t gotten to the thing of like using it as a soundboard yet, but I was like, I was, I’m very excited to configure that. [00:16:24] Brett: I, I did set up, uh, some, some profiles for, uh, soundboard stuff, but right now the way it’s I have my audio set up, I fucked something up and like, so I can do, I can hit my FX button and then hit. Okay. [00:16:45] Christina: Yeah. [00:16:48] Brett: Except. Okay. So I thought that was broken, but I could actually hear that. [00:16:53] Christina: Okay. Awesome. Cause I heard that. [00:16:56] too. [00:16:58] Brett: See it works. [00:17:00] Yeah. So anyway, icons though, I love, because I used to always have to go to the stream deck website and use their little icon generator to make just a stupid like microphone icon. Now there’s a huge library of some pretty good icons. So yeah. Anyway, what the, let’s see, I have a bleep button except there’s like, go one second. [00:17:23] Pause. So you can’t actually live bleep anything with it. [00:17:27] Christina: This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, they just redesigned the original stream deck. And I, and as far as I can tell, like, they didn’t actually change anything. Functionality wise. They just like added like a different, like a faceplate option. If you [00:17:41] Brett: Yeah, right. Customizable. Like you have like three options, but. [00:17:45] Christina: Yeah, which is cool. [00:17:47] And I’m sure we’ll make them. And it does look a little bit better, but, but I was, I was kinda glad they didn’t change anything functionality wise. Cause I was like, I have the XL. I don’t want to get like a lesser thing, but at the same time, I’m [00:18:00] like a sucker for anything shiny and new. So. Um, I I’m glad I don’t have to do that. [00:18:06] but Yeah, but they did just redesign it. [00:18:08] And ironically, they came out with the stream deck mark to the same day that the steam deck was announced. [00:18:15] Brett: that. [00:18:16] Christina: I was like, God dammit, valve. Like, you know, it’s hard enough. Like, and so I always I’m, I’m going to forever. And I think I’m not alone in this is like, everyone is going to be calling the steam deck, the stream deck. [00:18:28] Like it’s just, it’s inevitable. [00:18:31] Brett: it was an easy enough slip of the tongue to begin with. [00:18:33] Christina: It was, it was, it was already like close up and then you’re just like, you’re like bow, really? Like I get why it’s a good name. What it’s so close to this other thing, like, could you just have not an anvil? It was [00:18:47] Brett: especially considering their, their markets definitely overlap. [00:18:52] Christina: yes. I was going to say that’s the thing is that like people who will be getting the steam deck. Like maybe [00:19:00] that in and of itself. Won’t, I mean, I guess it will be powerful enough to do some streaming from, although that’s not going to be like its main thing, but there are definitely people who will be streaming their steam deck. [00:19:11] Right? Like that’s not even a question. Like people will be configuring it with OBS. Like I use mine. Iceland. Um, people’s things that I found with like pre-configured ops stuff, which is really useful. And then, you know, customize some of the macros and whatnot. Like, you know, it, it would be very useful for like, you’ll, you know, it’s very useful for that, but like, yeah, people will definitely have that overlap. [00:19:30] I’m like really come on valve. Um, cause it’s not as if again, like at this point it’s so interesting. Oh God, we’ve talked about this before. This European, like Mac hardware and software maker. Right. They made like the ITB software, like they were like a Mac company and then they. Went hard into the streaming space and sold to Corsair. [00:19:54] And now they are like their brand and they are incredibly good at it. And I’ve given them so much money, which is why I was [00:20:00] mad that they were, um, that their support. Wasn’t great with you. Although you ended up, it ended up working out, um, I’ve given them So much money, but they, like, they literally make like all the best higher end streaming gear. [00:20:13] Like that is their thing. And it’s, it’s just, it’s really funny that they’ve just become like those people. [00:20:19] Brett: I want to come back to OBS in a second. But I also remember, I was excited that I got the face cam from El Gato. It, it crashes my computer. Like it didn’t happen until the first time I used it in a zoom call and it was about 10 minutes into the zoom call. I went to click my track pad and you know how the magic track pad is. [00:20:45] Uh, what’s it like tactile, uh, like if it doesn’t have power, it doesn’t click. Like there’s, there’s no physical movement to it. And all of a sudden, I. [00:20:56] Christina: Cause it’s yeah. [00:20:57] Brett: Yeah, couldn’t click and there was still audio. Like I could [00:21:00] still hear things, but I couldn’t click. And then about 10 seconds later, my computer just shut down. [00:21:06] So I, I reboot, I get back on the zoom call. I make it through to the end of the meeting. And then as I go to hit the leave meeting button, no click again, and the computer reboots, it took me a while to pinpoint that it was the face cam, but I am 99%. Sure. But since unplugging the face cam and going back to my lodger tech, it hasn’t, my computer hasn’t crashed once, so I should open a support ticket or, or ask for a refund. [00:21:35] But as of right now, I am not using the face [00:21:38] Christina: Yeah, you definitely need to open a support ticket and or ask for a refund. Right? You, you know, do that. Um, it’s interesting because, uh, if that one, for whatever reason doesn’t work, Logitech did just come out with a 4k camera. [00:21:52] Um, that is similar. I believe that also doesn’t have like a microphone on it. [00:21:57] Brett: The real, the selling point. The reason [00:22:00] I wanted this camera is that you can store zoom settings in the hardware. [00:22:06] Christina: nice. [00:22:07] Brett: So like with my, like, I think I talked about this, but with the green screen that goes on the back of my chair. My 10 80 P logic tech camera gets too wide and you can see beyond the edge of the green screen. [00:22:20] So all I wanted to do with zoom it in about 10% cut out the edges. And I had been doing it with a webcam settings, the app, and that has to be running. And sometimes zoom like overrides it. And like in the middle of a meeting, all of a sudden, like my green screen will break. So I w I just want her to, I want it to be able to save the setting into the hardware. [00:22:42] That was the only reason the face cam was better than this pretty cool lodger tech camera. I have. So [00:22:48] Christina: Right. So this is the whole reason. Yeah. So, so that doesn’t work. [00:22:52] then you don’t. Yeah. I mean, honestly, yeah. So that’s, that’s the whole reason you wanted it, so, yeah. That’s um, [00:22:58] Brett: And that part does work well. [00:23:00] Um, it loses its zoom is extra fuzzy. Like you zoom it even in like 5% and everything gets blurry, which kind of sucks. But anyway, Anyway. Oh, so OBS and then we’ll take a sponsor break cause Jesus, we’re already halfway in. Actually let’s do a sponsor break first. [00:23:23] Christina: Yeah. [00:23:23] Brett: Uh, we are super happy to have upstart as a sponsor. [00:23:27] Again, this week. If you dread looking at your credit card statement, you’re not alone. Debt can feel crippling, but upstart can help you on your path to financial freedom. Upstart is the fast and easy way to pass your debt with a personal loan all online, whether it’s paying off credit cards, consolidating high interest debt, or funding, personal expenses. [00:23:47] Over half a million people have used upsert to get simple. Fixed monthly payments. I’ve personally used upsert to get myself out of credit card debt. I crude it over some financial rough times. It wasn’t [00:24:00] smart to dig myself that hole, but thanks to upsert. I have a chance to dig myself back out. Uh, I got an upsert loan a few months ago, wiped out my credit card debt completely and have been making, just fixed monthly payments and watching my debt disappear. [00:24:14] Uh, and my credit score is back to excellent. Now, um, with a five minute online rate check, you can see your rate up front for loans between 1000 and $50,000. I got approved the same day that I applied and I had money a day later. Uh, so now my credit cards or pay off are paid up. I’ll be debt free in five years, and I’m saving over $6,000 on what I would have paid an interest, uh, to the credit card companies. [00:24:41] Uh, over over the time, it would have taken me to pay that down. So find out how upsert can lower your monthly payments today. When you go to upstairs.com/overtired, that’s upstart.com/overtired, don’t forget to use our URL. So they know that we sent you [00:25:00] a loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application. [00:25:07] Go to upstart.com. Over tired. Thanks, upstart. [00:25:13] Christina: Excellent. [00:25:14] Brett: Yeah. So, uh, we did that, uh, that hands-on lab, uh, Oracle last week. And, uh, w w we ran into this issue where the zoom recording was basically shit quality, and I suggested maybe we should use OBS. Okay. And record like screens directly instead of going through, like it wasn’t zoom like the cloud record, which is whole, that is awful. [00:25:43] Christina: Right. That’s a whole other thing. [00:25:45] Brett: But it was like a local record, but the, the, the quality was terrible. Um, and, uh, my, one of my managers said that OBS always crashed her PC. She had tried [00:26:00] it once. Uh, she liked the promise of it, but that she found it impractical. And I can understand, like, you don’t want your machine to crash in the middle of a live presentation. [00:26:11] Uh, you know, like a web. But like, I think you could, you could work out those bugs ahead of time. It would be so nice to like, be able to use OBS for that kind of thing. Plus you could have like lower thirds and, uh, title sequences. It could be, I, I want to get that working. [00:26:31] Christina: Yeah. [00:26:32] no, I think you should, you should definitely look into that. And, and cause I think you could totally make it work. It is a challenge in terms of making sure people can have their machines configured and whatnot, if they need to record it on their end. But if you can have somebody who ideally is even like tasked with, we are the person who is going to be the, you know, like. [00:26:51] Recorder slash streamer. Um, you could definitely make that work. I put a link in our show notes. This is an option. It’s not as [00:27:00] robust as OBS, obviously, but it works in the web browser and it’s very good. And it allows for a role of someone to be the producer who can load in things like pre-roll. You can add in lower thirds, you can do other stuff. [00:27:14] And then what’s nice about it is that for the attendees and stuff, like they just join it. You can still even broadcast this, you know, to something like a, like a zoom output or, or something else. And it’s called stream yard. Um, and, um, we use it, um, um, at Microsoft a lot, um, their, uh, their prices. Is really good. [00:27:37] Like actually it was difficult. Uh, I think the whole reason they even have an enterprise thing at this point or business thing is because we kind of forced them to, um, like have a way that we could. Bill for it and, and have some like the, the, I guess, requirements that were needed because the individual subscription stuff is actually [00:28:00] really inexpensive. [00:28:00] But I would say if ops is not a solution, then, um, uh, I would. [00:28:07] Brett: might be awesome. [00:28:08] Christina: Look at it because it’s, it’s not it’s. I think it’s like, it’s like, um, $20 a month for basic, uh, plan, um, uh, $40 a month for the, for the professional. Um, what we typically do, uh, is like, we, we only pay for, I think, like a handful of seats and then, you know, people kind of share it, but the thing is is that like you can invite like guests. [00:28:33] Who don’t need to have an account at all. And, and they can just, you know, use stream yard, and then you can use it to broadcast and record and stuff. And it’s actually really good. So OBS is awesome. And, uh, I actually give $20 a month to the lead developer on Patrion. Um, because I think that it’s such a good program and, and such an important thing, but, uh, but stream yard is a really good browser-based thing for those situations where.[00:29:00] [00:29:00] You know, you can’t rely on, on people to be able to configure OBS on their end and whatnot. Cause it is a lot. [00:29:06] Brett: So I I’m like paying for software is, uh, not a problem. I was told by one of my managers that the manager who controls budget requests that we needed to make more budget requests. Uh, that they have a budget to spend and we need to look like we’re spending, I probably shouldn’t be saying this out loud. [00:29:32] This is like [00:29:32] Christina: No, no, no, no, no, [00:29:33] Brett: made, but [00:29:34] Christina: but that’s how most businesses work, right. Like you, if you don’t spend your money, you will not get it the next [00:29:40] Brett: right. And so, uh, I think I mentioned a while back that I was going to order a bunch of video equipment cause I was going to become, uh, an on-air personality for Oracle. Um, I had been dragging my feet on it. Just, I don’t know why. Um, but there wasn’t an ER, we weren’t ready to [00:30:00] start that program yet, so I wasn’t rushing, but so I’m speaking at virtual max doc this year. [00:30:06] Um, again, and I wasn’t sure I was going to do it. And then Mike said, oh, [00:30:12] Christina: but you can. talk, you’re going to talk about. [00:30:13] Brett: Yeah, you can present on one of your projects. So I’m totally in, I wrote the whole presentation already recorded all the screencast and then. Um, I, I need to, I need to talking head on this. Like no one wants to watch a screencast for 20 minutes and least I wouldn’t. [00:30:28] Um, so I went ahead and I ordered all my fancy new equipment and it’s showing up piecemeal, but the first thing I got in the mail was a teleprompter and it attaches to the lens of the camera. And then you stick your iPhone in it, and there’s an app that it scrolls on the iPhone, then there’s a mirror. So you basically, you’re looking directly at the camera lens while you’re reading [00:30:59] Christina: [00:31:00] right. [00:31:00] Brett: like 99 bucks. [00:31:02] It’s really cool. I should. [00:31:03] Christina: Yeah, share which one you got because I need a teleprompter. I have an iPad app that I use and there’s a Mac app for it to actually, um, teleprompter plus, [00:31:12] Brett: Yeah, I have that. And I’ll probably actually use teleprompter plus plus with it’s it’s called the pad caster podcasts or teleprompt parrot teleprompter. Um, their app kinda sucks. Like there’s no way to import scripts. You have to write them or paste them in the app. Um, so I would, uh, probably gonna use like a more robust teleprompter app because the only part that really matters is the mirror. [00:31:40] Christina: Right. Exactly. That’s what I was going to say. Cause yeah, cause I’ve been looking I need well, and when I kind of formalize my set, like I need to cause I’ve I’ve um, I need to set up like my actual teleprompter kind of set up thing, but I, um, Yeah, I, uh, so, so thanks for, uh, linking it to the [00:32:00] pad, uh, pad caster. [00:32:01] Um, Yeah, [00:32:01] telecomm pumper teleprompter premium. I have to say that app is great. I’ve used it for years. Um, in our studio at Microsoft with our. You know, professional teleprompter, but rather than using, you know, or I guess professional mirror set up. Cause like, rather than using like a, you know, traditional teleprompter, like we just, like, I put the iPad there and um, and then the mirror is. [00:32:26] set up and it does what it needs to do. [00:32:28] And so I’ve used it for years with that, because you could import stuff from Dropbox or from other sources and you can control it with your apple watch or whatever. Well, what I love about it, and I will give them a shout out for this, because I use this, I guess in may, when I was recording a video for a webinar that I wasn’t really a part of, but I was just doing the intro for, and they wanted something where like I was onsite of where we have traditionally held the build conference. [00:32:55] You know, we, we having to do it virtual again. And so I was at the Washington state [00:33:00] convention center kind of in the background and then just kind of giving an intro and saying, Hey, you know, we can’t wait to be back in person again. This is where I am at so many good memories. We’ve got so much good stuff for you today, you know, whatever. [00:33:11] And so I, I wrote in, you know, there were some talking points and scripts and so. I was having to shoot this myself, like on my camera, like on my phone. Um, and, and I was kind of concerned cause I was like, okay, I can memorize this, but I want it to be kind of extemporaneous. I want it to be crisp. I don’t want to go on too long. [00:33:29] Also I’m having to shoot this myself and I need to get this, you know, to this, to this team to do so. What can I do? Uh, what turns out that the teleprompter. Now has an option. Like if you’re using it with an iPhone where you can record in the app and it will basically use the front facing camera and you can read off of the teleprompter on your phone while you’re recording and you can still record high quality. [00:33:56] So that. [00:33:57] was amazing [00:34:00] because. It really did make it in terms of like a, kind of a, okay. If you need to do like a vlogger style thing, like this is actually a solution because the front facing camera at this point is good enough, especially for our women. It’s very good. Like honestly, like the rear facing camera is obviously better, but the front facing camera is very good, especially for the purposes of what we were doing that just being able to read off of that. Yeah. [00:34:25] Okay. Yeah, this, this is awesome. So we have a link for that app, but it’s, um, I’ve used a bunch of different teleprompter apps over the years. I do. You have to say like teleprompter premium, I think is like my favorite. There are probably other good ones too, but I, I do appreciate that. Um, like the, initially I think the thing that kind of brought me into it was the apple watch control because when I’m in our main studio. [00:34:50] Yeah. Cause when I’m in our main studio, Rather like if it’s going too fast or too slow up or I fucked something up before we had that set up, like how it work? Is it somebody else [00:35:00] would have to come in and be like, wait, wait, wait, you know, stop, like go back. And then I have to start again because you’re not able to like with a real teleprompter in a studio, how it works is that there’s a remote control kind of thing. [00:35:11] So like in a broadcast studio, like on CNN or, or, or whatever, how that works is that you have someone who is actually running. It is how that works. So you have someone who’s actually, they fed it into their prompter. Sorry. And then they are actually running it and then they are controlling the flow. So like when I’m doing stuff at, uh, for, for our big events, for instance, um, like when I did the windows 11 launch or when I do ignite or build or whatever, there is an actual teleprompter operator and I’m looking into, you know, these, you know, probably yeah. [00:35:41] $15,000 plus like, uh, you know, uh, professional, like, uh, you know, uh, studio cameras and, and whatnot. Cause it is like a full-on production studio. It is like a television quality production studio and they’re controlling the flow. They’re controlling the spacing. They can make the updates in real time, whatever. [00:35:57] It’s great. Um, when I’m [00:36:00] in the channel nine studio. Again, we have some really nice cameras and we have some really nice equipment and set up in green trees and stuff. And it’s way. more high end than a lot of, you know, set ups. It’s, it’s probably, it’s very similar to the kind of the quality that we had at like Mashable or, and it’s better than what we had at Gizmodo or whatever, but we don’t have that. [00:36:19] So we have somebody who’s out in the control room. Who’s controlling the audio, but I’m using an iPad. So I can’t control what I’m reading when you have the, uh, the apple watch. Yeah. That’s brilliant because you can use the crown to go back forward and stop. Yes. [00:36:36] Brett: Can you, can you control speed with the watch? Oh my God. Yes. I need that. [00:36:41] Christina: So it’s brilliant. So if you fuck up, you can pause, you can control speed. [00:36:45] Like it’s, just, it’s so good. So [00:36:47] Brett: especially for this because the phone is mounted in the teleprompter. So getting to the controls is a pain in the ass [00:36:56] Christina: That’s what I’m saying. [00:36:57] Brett: and they sell a hardware remote for it. [00:37:00] But I have an apple watch. [00:37:01] Christina: Right. That’s the thing. So yeah. So teleprompter premium. I’m a huge fan of that. Um, so yeah. That’s, that’s [00:37:10] Brett: You want to hear about the crazy, uh, like screencasting teleprompter setup I made. [00:37:15] Christina: Yes. [00:37:16] Brett: Um, so. Aye. Aye, aye. Brainstorm my F my blog posts, my screencast, my presentation. I do it all in mind maps and, uh, I do it with I thoughts. And what I do is brainstorm all of the topics I need to cover, organize them, create subtopics. [00:37:36] And then in the final topics I go in and on the notes for each node. I write out the script for that topic and, uh, Built I thought support into Mart so I can drag the map into Mart. Uh, and I have a teleprompter, uh, theme for Mart that [00:38:00] uses Mark’s auto scroll to actually make a teleprompter on screen. So then I can edit my teleprompter script live in a mind map. [00:38:10] Hit save on it and my teleprompter updates and scrolls to the part I’m editing and that I can, uh, I can go back and forth and record my screen cast piece by piece, uh, with, uh, with full teleprompter support. I D you don’t have to have two displays to do that, but it’s, it’s pretty cool going from, from mindmap to screen cast. [00:38:31] Uh it’s uh, it’s, it’s fun. I’m a [00:38:33] Christina: That’s awesome. No, I know, I love this. I knew that. I mean, that’s why this show exists. No, this is what’s fun. And I’m really glad you’re having, I’m glad that you’re being forced to be like a on-camera personality and stuff, because I love to geek out about this and. This is the sort of thing where I have to stop myself sometimes from wanting to over-engineer the production process, because that is what engineers do is we over-complicate things. [00:38:57] And I’m like, actually, there’s a reason that things [00:39:00] exist. Like production workflow works the way that it does. And I see this happen all the time with people that I work with, who don’t have any production experience and they go too far and like wanting to automate and make everything run great. And like be the producers and not thinking about the content or some of the other stuff, which is honestly more important. [00:39:19] Um, but I’m so excited you’re getting into this because you are the way that I am about. Like wanting to nerd. out and over-engineer with it, but then you go to the next level. So I’m excited for like the stupid stuff that. [00:39:35] you’re going to come up with, which is just going to make my life easier. So I’m excited about that. [00:39:40] Brett: Um, I have no segway for this, but do you want to do a hello? Fresh [00:39:44] Christina: I was going to say I was about to, I was trying to think about it, but, uh, speaking of, I guess, uh, we’re both kind of hungry, I guess, [00:39:51] Brett: There you go. 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[00:41:49] Brett: Did I tell you about the super embarrassing thing that happened with a sponsor read two weeks ago? [00:41:54] Christina: You did. [00:41:55] Brett: So I had, I had like fumbled my way through one of the sponsor reads [00:42:00] and had put in a bunch of like when I edit with a D script. So any. [00:42:06] Christina: you’d like can read your, your edit [00:42:09] Brett: the word edit, and then I can just search the text for, and I know where the edits need to be. [00:42:15] Uh, w which is a good tip. Anytime that you have a, a replacement co-host and you need to edit something, just say the word edit, and I’ll totally find it. But anyway, I had done that and I had done all the edits and it sounded great. And then something weird happened in D script where. My audio track got like maybe 10 seconds ahead of yours. [00:42:40] And so I went back in and I realigned the two tracks in the composition and everything sounded fine, but I didn’t go back and see what happened with those edits. [00:42:51] Christina: Oh, no. [00:42:52] Brett: In the version I published when it got to that sponsor read it, like would like cut at this weird point and then [00:43:00] you’d hear me go edit and then I’d start again in summer. [00:43:02] Brett (2): And then it would cut. And then, so like the whole, and that was the only place in the, in the episode that I had done edit. So for a whole day, the overtired episode that was out there had a completely butchered ad read. Uh, I deleted, I deleted it from our RSS feed and put up a fixed version the next day. [00:43:21] Um, I only heard from a couple people about it. Uh, so people were either very forgiving or no one listens to our podcasts on the day it comes out. Um, but yeah, it was, it was embarrassing. Uh, I, 100% blame D script that was a bug on their part. Got to put the blame somewhere. [00:43:41] Christina: Yeah. I mean, you definitely got to put the blame somewhere. Definitely, definitely. Descripts fault. No. Uh, thank you D script for making a really good service That uh, if it has an API and everything. [00:43:51] Brett: that one time, one time it fucked me, but overall I would never go back to editing podcasts without D script.[00:44:00] [00:44:00] Christina: Yeah, no, I mean, I think, uh, yeah, exactly. I mean, I think that it’s a, um, I’m glad that like a service like that exists and that, uh, in the pricing is actually for, for their transcripts is like actually really good. So again, this is, They, don’t sponsor us. they should, but yeah. [00:44:14] Brett: they really should there a couple of their competitors. Have sent me like, uh, free trials, uh, given me like pro accounts, try out our, our version of this, uh, concept. And none of them have come close to, uh, to D script as far as features and capabilities go it’s it’s the best. I should probably put it in the show notes. [00:44:38] Christina: Yeah, you should. Yeah. [00:44:40] Brett: feel like we’ve talked about are enough to deserve a link. [00:44:42] Christina: Yeah, I have to say they do have a really good, uh, URL. Like they have, like, I don’t know what they had to pay for that, but the, a bit like I’m, I’m, I’m happy for them. [00:44:51] Brett: D script.com. [00:44:53] Christina: Yeah. [00:44:53] Brett: Yeah. Um, all right, well, let’s see. Nope. I’m out of time. This, this, [00:45:00] this is, did we fit an hour’s worth then? [00:45:02] Christina: I think we did. I think we did. We didn’t really get a lot of pop culture in, but I think next week we’re going to have like some really good pop culture talk. So, So I think that we’re good. [00:45:11] Brett: So Christina and I talked before the show and we have decided to start on occasion bringing on guests again, a long time. Listeners may recall a certain episode, uh, with some, some certain music. No, no, one’s blaming you. It’s fine. Um, like w we’re all good. Uh, it didn’t go well, and we kind of stopped having guests after. [00:45:33] Christina: Yeah. Uh, I, I had an idea if for, for people who don’t know of inviting, like there was something that I was extremely online that I found under entertaining and interesting. And I invited these two people from New York on our podcast and, uh, uh, yeah, it’s not go well. So, um, uh, [00:45:53] Brett: It was, cringy [00:45:54] Christina: it was really cringey. I don’t think they had any idea that it didn’t go well. [00:45:58] Uh, but, but we [00:45:59] Brett: that’s [00:46:00] because they’re terrible people. [00:46:01] Christina: They are terrible people, 100%. Um, so, and, and, and I, I, I bet I doubt either of them even remembers doing the podcast, so I don’t feel bad saying this. So, Yeah. So we stopped having guests, uh, other than like, we, you know, obviously guests hosted with, uh, Ashley Escada, um, twice, because she’s awesome, but we are going to be bringing guests in, um, vetted at this point. [00:46:24] But, uh, and I’m just going to. Wing this on you here, Brett. I know you have some People that you want to bring on it. And I have some people I’d like to, I would be interested in hearing from the community. If there are people like that, they would be interested in us talking to [00:46:39] Brett: Yeah. People who can nerd out about kind of overtired ESC topics and who also have a. Recording set up prerequisite. You have to own at least a decent microphone and have recorded one podcast before in your life, yours or somebody else’s [00:46:58] Christina: Yes. [00:46:59] Brett: you gotta, [00:47:00] you gotta be a pro to be on over tired. We have standards standards [00:47:04] Christina: do have standards. [00:47:04] right? Yeah. I mean, yeah. [00:47:06] Brett: Um, all right, so anyway, thanks everyone for listening. Uh, Christina, we’re both tired. Get some sleep. [00:47:14] Christina: Get some sleep, Brett.

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[00:00:16] safety for us because, uh, someone’s audio messed up. [00:00:20] Brett: It is. As of, as of right now, it is actually recording. This is, this is being recorded. [00:00:26] Christina: Okay. This is good. I’m really glad to hear that. I’m really glad to hear that. [00:00:30] Brett: yeah, yeah. So, uh, so you were saying in the last take, you didn’t get up at midnight today. [00:00:37] Christina: No, I didn’t. I did not get up at midnight. I got up. Six 15, which I think is an acceptable time to get up when you’re recording something like seven o’clock. So, um, I, I did not wake up super, super early or I guess stay up super, super late. Like it could go either way. So, um, I got up at like the adequate time for, you know, recording a, an [00:01:00] early morning podcast or mid morning as might be the case for you. [00:01:04] Brett: and, and you’re not tired. [00:01:06] Christina: No, I mean, I’m a little, um, like I think open to bed around one. So I got like a solid, like five and a half hours, which I [00:01:16] Brett: insane. How do you survive on five hours of sleep, [00:01:20] Christina: I don’t know. Cause I’ll probably end up taking a nap. I don’t know who knows. [00:01:23] Brett: man? I couldn’t do that five hours. Like, uh, if I got five hours of sleep, three nights in a row, I would be a mess. [00:01:31] Christina: Well, a, I find ways. Too sometimes, like, it’s usually like after work, but I sometimes, I mean, my sleep is so terrible. Cause what I’ll do sometimes it’s, I’ll like take a nap at 5:00 PM, which is stupid because then you wake up, it’s the dumbest thing in the world, because then you wake up at 11 and you’re like, all right, well I’m up until four now. [00:01:53] Like it’s just shitty. So just gets you into like a really bad like pattern. Um, [00:02:00] and then sometimes like tomorrow is Saturday, today is Friday the 13th. Ooh. And, uh, which, which I think is why, uh, we had some recording issues earlier and um, the best one would have blamed it on any way. And um, but tomorrow, Saturday, so I can, I can just sleep in, like I could sleep in until two I won’t, but, but I. [00:02:24] Brett: I am. Uh, I am a major proponent of going to bed and getting up at the same time every day. [00:02:31] Christina: See, that’s, that’s smart. And [00:02:34] and I should do that. I just don’t do that. [00:02:36] Brett: I, when I’m manic, obviously I’ll go like days without sleep. And that will ruin like the next week or two for me, uh, like five days of like one to two hours of sleep per night. Absolutely not healthy. Um, but when I’m, when I’m normal, which I am right now, uh, yeah, I like eight and a half hours of [00:03:00] sleep and I go to bed at exactly nine o’clock. [00:03:02] I get up exactly. Five 30 it’s I like, I like consistency. It’s good. It’s good for the brain. [00:03:09] Christina: It is good for the brain. [00:03:10] And these are all very smart things that I should do, but that I don’t do. And I’m not like pretending, like I, you know, I, I know who I am. I know who I’m not. Um, I aspire to, to be as together as you now, you mentioned you kind of buried the lead there with, with Brett’s mental health corner that you’re normal right now. [00:03:30] Brett: Yeah, I’m in that sweet spot. I’m not manic. I’m not depressed. I’m I’m living life as well. So it becomes very obvious in these times when I’m like completely emotionally stable, it becomes obvious that I’m also ADHD. Uh, that becomes, that becomes forefront for me. But, but yeah, no, I’m, um, living life as a typical atypia neuro atypical person. [00:03:55] I’m sorry. Neuro neurodiverse. [00:03:59] Christina: Is that what the term [00:04:00] is? Okay. [00:04:02] Brett: I am. I am. I am I am I have comorbidities, uh, ADHD and bipolar. I am. I am truly neurodiverse. [00:04:13] Christina: Yeah. I have ADHD, depression, anxiety, but I don’t know. Yeah. Yeah. But yet weirdly, I feel like, so I guess I’m technically neurodiverse. [00:04:26] And I, I mean, I know at least the ADHD stuff, but I don’t know. I’ve, I’ve never like I’m treated, this is absolutely true. I am treated like I’m neurodiverse. Like I’ve never had any allowances ever for any of that stuff. [00:04:41] Um, like maybe a [00:04:43] Brett: you’re T you’re treated like you’re neuro-typical is what [00:04:46] Christina: Sorry, sorry. That’s yes, yes. Let me re let me rephrase. I, am treated like a neuro-typical, um, and uh, not like I’m, neuro-diverse, uh, I’m treated like I’m, neuro-typical, I’ve never had any of the, like, maybe I could like [00:05:00] ask for them or whatever, but, um, I, mask really well, and so I don’t eat it’s so it’s so fucked up that people will like, you know, like, like, like Twitter, vigilante assholes will, will, uh, you know, make comments. [00:05:13] Oh, well, you know, you, you can’t comment on this because data, data, data, data, like, it’d be like, oh, somebody makes my OCD edge. Yeah. You really shouldn’t say that. I’m like, some of us are actually OCD and I’m like, can I see your diagnosis? Cause I know I have one, you know, like, go [00:05:28] Brett: your psychology degree? [00:05:31] Christina: It’s completely. Right. But also like, and this may be like, well, don’t gatekeep. You can’t claim that only people who have a diagnosis can say they have it. I’m sorry. Like a, these aren’t things that you want. It’s not something you want to collect, like identities. Like I wouldn’t wish this stuff on people. [00:05:52] Right. Like I see all these people who are like, oh, well I’m ADHD, even though I’ve never been diagnosed and I’m not treated. Okay. Maybe, [00:06:00] [00:06:00] Brett: Sure maybe. [00:06:01] Christina: maybe. Um, but also maybe don’t talk about it if you haven’t been diagnosed. And if you’re not on a treatment plan, just, just my opinion. I, if you want to call, if you wanna call me a fucking gatekeeper. [00:06:11] Yeah. My gatekeeper. Because if you’re not on a treatment plan and you haven’t talked to professional, then like you’re not doing anyone. you’re doing yourself a disservice. If you actually think that you have this, and if you don’t in a bit just being performative, then you’re just being like a weird asshole who wants to collect, you know, diagnoses. [00:06:34] Brett: So this gets interesting in the world of autism though. Uh, especially in women and older humans, um, self-diagnosis is not as big a crime in the autistic community. Most [00:06:50] Christina: It’s. [00:06:51] Brett: commute. No, it’s just let me, uh, most autistic communities will actually like welcome it. Basically they go by the, [00:07:00] uh, the philosophy that if you think you have autism, We will, we will assume you have autism. [00:07:08] We will give you the benefit of the doubt. And that’s not true with any other diagnosis that I’ve ever [00:07:13] Christina: Yeah, I’m going to be honest with you. Like the autism community can do whatever they want and that’s on them. I’m rolling my eyes extremely. And I get, I understand that people are not diagnosed and that there are doctors who won’t diagnose you and will say, well, if you’ve lived this long and if you have this, then you don’t fit these things. [00:07:29] I would pause it that those are psychiatrists who are using older terminology, who are using older diagnostic, like credentials are probably still going on the old, you know, DSM-IV and not like the, the, the current DSM-V and whatnot. And I know that all those things exist. I get it. I’m still going to just be straight up and be like, If it were me and I’m not part of the community, so it doesn’t matter to me, but I I’m rolling my eyes. [00:07:54] Brett: Yeah, no, I, I buy it like most people aren’t looking for [00:08:00] it. So it is, it is it’s, it’s a little bit difficult for a lot of people to get the diagnosis. And if you are suffering. From, uh, the S the symptoms or the, the characteristics of autism. Uh, it’s nice to have a community, even if you don’t have the diagnosis and to have a community that welcomes you like to, just to give you the benefit of the doubt. [00:08:29] Like, if you can say, I have taken 20 of these online quizzes, and I really feel like this is the case for me, but I can’t afford a diagnosis. Or my, my, my, uh, counselor did not agree with me. I just, I don’t know if you share all of these traits with a [00:08:51] Christina: look, if it’s about it’s about community. [00:08:53] I agree with you where I disagree with you is that I think that sometimes you do have [00:09:00] fakers and I’m not saying Mo even most of the people who claim they’re autistic and aren’t are fakers, but you do have fakers. You do have people who they clearly have some sort of other psychological problem because they’re making up the fact that they have these things. [00:09:14] But because I see this with ADHD, people with ADHD, all the time, people who are clearly not 80, [00:09:20] Brett: Oh, sure. Well, [00:09:21] Christina: we’ll want to claim it, but. [00:09:23] Brett: I think autism is different than ADHD in that regard though. I think the communities are different and I think people use ADHD as an excuse way more than they use ASD as an excuse. [00:09:33] Christina: I’m not talking about an excuse. [00:09:35] though. I’m talking about people who want internet sympathy points. I’m talking about like Munchausen by internet people like I’m talking about people clearly have like something fucked up wrong with them. [00:09:43] But not those things like people who like, like, there’s this, there’s this person on Twitter who I don’t follow them because I don’t want to do that. But I occasionally like, hate read their tweets because this person is just so ridiculous. Like this person [00:10:00] claims all of these identities, all of these like aspersions, all of these maladies. [00:10:05] And it’s literally just so that they can get like attaboy internet points and it’s it’s infuriating because I’m like, okay, this is actually doing a disservice, in my opinion, to the real communities, to the real people. And, and, you know, they take up space like. And I’m not saying that it’s all people and I’m Sure. [00:10:24] that I agree with you. I think the vast majority, if, if that’s how you see it and if you want the community and the support, that’s fine. I do think though, like, okay, I’ll give you a great example. There was actually a really good article that I read on this. So there’s this thing, and it’s actually a really controversial diagnosis. [00:10:39] Like a lot of psychiatrists will argue that it doesn’t exist and some people say that it does, but, um, dissociative identity disorder. Um, I don’t know if you’re familiar with that or [00:10:48] Brett: I am not. [00:10:49] Christina: It used to be what did. it used to be? What we called multiple personalities. [00:10:54] Brett: Okay. Okay. Yeah. [00:10:56] Christina: And, and so, um, uh, it is considered a thing [00:11:00] where like you had, and, you know, distinct personas and, and, and people will call, if they have dissociative identity disorder, they have a system and they will have different fronts of different members of the system fronting their body at certain periods of time and, and all this stuff. [00:11:14] Anyway, it’s now a Tik TOK, Trent. And by that, I mean that you have. Tic talkers with millions of followers. Most of them zoomers some of them a little bit older who present what it’s like to be in a system. Now, some of these people might actually have psychological problems. Whole bunch of them are just fucking fakers and, and they get millions of hits and views and all this adulation and weird stuff. [00:11:40] And I’m like, Okay. first of all, for people who do suffer from this, and as I said, it’s actually a pretty controversial thing of whether it exists or not. I’m not a psychiatrist, I’m not a psychologist, I’m not a doctor. I can’t make a diagnosis. I’m simply pointing out that it is a controversial thing of whether it exists or not. [00:11:55] Um, because, and, and that goes all the way back to civil, um, which, which kind of [00:12:00] like brought in into popular lexicon or whatnot. But, but, you know, but the idea is, is that it is born from trauma, not from like, you’re not born with it. Right. [00:12:09] So, so, so it’s an interesting, you know, thing in that regard too, then that it’s not like a neurological thing. and so far as like your brain chemistry is wired a different way, like it’s apparently comes from like traumatic experiences or whatnot, which really goes back to 40 and stuff, which a lot has been disproven. But anyway, but a lot of these people like are fucking fakers. Like these are our kids who are just wanting to, to like be cool on the internet and like having a flection on the internet. [00:12:39] And it is fascinating. But if you’re waiting to see, and like, to me, it’s one of those things where I’m like, okay, what. this whole, What that whole trend is doing. And I’m not trying to compare people who self diagnosed with autism to that. I’m really not. But you have this like momentum in, it’s weird where people are like claiming.[00:13:00] [00:13:00] To have shit that they don’t have because they feel like it gives them credibility or makes them interesting or whatever. And, and like, I don’t know that just pisses me off. [00:13:14] Brett: What I would say is if you are self-diagnosing with ASD, for the sake of finding a community of people like you, that can support and answer questions. That’s great. If, if you are self-diagnosed, I would be very hesitant about declaring yourself ASD in the wider internet or in life, uh, like to, to make a statement. [00:13:43] I am an autistic person without a diagnosis is very different than saying, Hey, here’s this community of people that accept me and believe me, and, and, and I can find support and answers here. Like, I think that’s great for people.[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Christina: No, I think that’s great for people. [00:14:01] too, but Yeah, I agree with that. And I would also say if you have taken all those self-diagnosis things and you don’t have it and I can understand it can be expensive, it can be hard to find a doctor. I would encourage just like I would encourage any person who has any sort of like mental health struggle or, you know, whatever, like neuro-diverse struggle to actually try and you have to keep trying and get the diagnosis. [00:14:21] Brett: no, I, I agree with that, especially if you have insurance and can’t afford to do so. [00:14:27] Christina: yeah. Uh, I mean, although honestly, like I’m going to, I’m going to be kind of an asshole here. Even if you don’t something like your mental health is important enough, like find a way to make it work. Whether that means like looking at government assistance, whether that means like finding other things like [00:14:47] Brett: had to borrow money to get my ADHD diagnosis. [00:14:50] Christina: yeah. Yeah. And, and, and I think that that was, yeah. It’s but, but you made it work, right? Yeah. [00:14:56] Brett: made it work and it changed my life. So. [00:14:58] Christina: That’s what I’m saying. Like [00:15:00] I paid, there was a time when I went off my parents’ insurance and I was allowed to stay on for like an extra year, which was amazing. Um, and Mashable didn’t have insurance yet, and it was cheaper for me to, um, be on Cobra, um, because my medication prices were so much and Cobra was like, [00:15:25] Brett: cover is not cheap. [00:15:26] Christina: It was like $1,200 a month or something. And, and I wasn’t, I wasn’t making a ton of money. Um, I mean, I was making more than I had been, but, but I wasn’t making a ton of money and I paid that out of pocket and, um, I didn’t get any, you know, help, you know, with that, I was, I was, I was paying for it and, and I did it and it was the right thing to do. [00:15:45] And I had like, remember how to like a colleague and, and she had some issues with depression and whatnot. She was like, oh, you know, I just, I don’t want to, you know, pay like her. I think her rates were going to be way lower than mine. Cause she didn’t already have a diagnosis. And this is before Obamacare and whatnot. [00:15:59] And I was like, [00:16:00] You, you have to do it like you. I know that it can be a burden. I’m not trying, I’m not speak. I look, I’m speaking from a place of privilege now, but I haven’t always had a place of privilege. And like you and I both had so many experiences with the bad doctors and having to go through the ringer of diagnoses and what Do you have and what don’t you have? [00:16:19] Like, I was misdiagnosed as being bipolar. I’m not bipolar. I was put on lithium, which was terrible. Um, you, you go through a lot and it’s shitty, but you do it in my opinion, because it’s the right thing to do. And when I cure people and I’m not talking about autism specifically, I hear this with ADHD a lot. [00:16:36] And it pisses me off because I hear people saying, oh, well, I don’t have the money for this or that or this or that. And I’m thinking, you know, if it’s really important to you and it’s your health, you borrow the money. You find a way to make it work. Like I, I’m sorry. [00:16:53] Brett: do, you know, do you want to know how much my ADHD meds would cost? If I had to pay out of pocket [00:16:59] Christina: [00:17:00] Uh, probably like seven, $800. [00:17:02] Brett: a thousand dollars a month, [00:17:04] Christina: Yeah, [00:17:05] Brett: just, just for the ADHD meds and then the bipolar meds I take would be another like 1800 on top of that. It’s ridiculous. [00:17:15] Christina: no, that is ridiculous. And at that point you can’t afford it. You have to have insurance of some sort, which thankfully we do now have a way it’s not always the best or the least expensive, but there are plans you can get on like, [00:17:27] Brett: a different world than it [00:17:28] Christina: it’s a different world. I was going to say like a decade ago. [00:17:31] it was not that way. [00:17:32] And that’s why I bristle a little bit. Cause I was paying because I had a similar thing where, um, the, um, Modafinil that I was on, I was on the Modafinil. I was on effects, her and I was on Dexedrine and the Modafinil alone was like $1,500 a month. And still to this day, even though I like Provigil, I can’t get that covered. [00:17:51] Um, because like, I remember like the insurance covered it for like three months and it was gone and I think even Microsoft’s insurance, I think that it would be a [00:18:00] stretch. I don’t need it now. And, and I mean, I would like it, but I don’t need it. Um, it would, it would more be for me wanting to like, do nootropics and like, you, know, it feels super powerful rather than like actually treating [00:18:11] Brett: you can buy a , uh, on the, uh, on the internet. It’s pretty cheap. [00:18:17] Christina: Yeah. I know. I know. Uh, cause I looked into that and when, when I actually looked into going to Canada at one point to get it, um, and, and there, you know, at this point, like I think like the pads have expired and stuff like that, but, um, yeah. I mean, some of the stuff like that was, that was the reason I paid the, the Cobra because my medication would have been 1800. [00:18:36] And so the Cobra was 1200. And so it was like, well, just, you know, keep paying the Cobra. Right. Like just keep doing that. And, and that was, you know, I think that was probably, um, I don’t know, like a quarter of my pre-tax income. Like I was paying as much for my insurance. I was paying for rent. And, uh, and like, [00:19:00] again, like I really part of this look at me from a place of privilege, but also there are systems, there are things that can make it work. [00:19:06] I’m just, my point is just like, I I’ve gone on like a, an old woman tangent, but like, and I’m not trying to be gatekeepery except to say like, do the work, like it just pisses me off. And I’m, again, I’m not talking about people who are autistic, because I do feel like that’s a different, more difficult diagnosis, but especially with other stuff, a nobody should want these diagnoses. [00:19:27] And sometimes I feel like people like, feel like they want to be part of a club and I’m like, I would very, I’d be very happy if I didn’t have this stuff. Like. Uh, like, you know, can my ADHD sometimes be useful and helpful? Yeah, it can, but sometimes it can also be really fucking debilitating and terrible. [00:19:46] I would, I would not wish depression on anyone and whatever creative moments I’ve had from it, which get less and less each time I have a, uh, a depressive episode. I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. Right. So, [00:20:00] you know, I’m sure you wouldn’t wish, you know, you’re bipolar, even though that has things that can make you unique and you have good art, you wouldn’t wish it on anyone. [00:20:07] And so I feel like sometimes I feel like there are people who like don’t have those things. You don’t recognize that they’re like, I don’t want this. I don’t see it the way, like some people who are deaf or blind, like are like genuinely like, love about themselves. And I think even autistic people who are like, I, I love this about myself, cool. [00:20:25] With, with things like depression and anxiety and ADHD and bipolar, like I think most of us would, would not want that. So. If, if you, if you feel like you have those things, like, I don’t know. [00:20:37] you gotta fucking do the work to get the diagnosis, get the treatment, get the help, because it’s how we, I don’t know. [00:20:43] It’s how we function. [00:20:45] Brett: Yeah, but do do, if you think, if, if you’re hearing all of these people talk about what they have and it, you totally, 100% relate, do the work, like get the diagnosis, find out because [00:21:00] that’s how treatment start. [00:21:01] Christina: Well, I was going to say that’s the biggest thing for me is the self-diagnosis. I think that’s the biggest thing that scares me. And like for autism, maybe it’s a little different because you know the treatments there, it’s not like you can take them. It’s not like you can take a pill. [00:21:13] Um, and maybe having the community is good, but you could have like treatment and therapies and stuff that you could do. Right. Um, but just being, just being self-diagnosed and being part of a community is not going to get you treatment. Like it’s not like, so, so when I see it, like self-diagnosed ADHD, Cool. [00:21:32] So you’re just untreated. Cause that doesn’t work, you know, like you’re not helping anybody, you’re not helping yourself. Like you get to use the hashtag actually ADHD or whatever. But, but like, I don’t know. Anyway, that’s my rant. Sorry. [00:21:47] Brett: w our mental health corner got, uh, got long. [00:21:51] Christina: It did get [00:21:52] Brett: and I’ll be honest. I don’t have the heart to rerecord our work site. That I will summarize [00:22:00] that, that whole, uh, hands-on lab that we were building up to at Oracle, that I was super stressed out about. It went great. We, we beat all of our metrics that we were projecting, everything went super swell. [00:22:14] And then immediately back into the backlog of work that got behind while we were working on the lab. [00:22:24] Christina: So no time off for the weird, I mean, you will have time off next week, but, but they were like, but they were like, Nope, sorry, sorry, bitches. Back to work. [00:22:32] Brett: Yeah. My PM like just, I had like three meetings with my PM the day after the hands-on lab. And I learned a whole bunch of new acronyms that, [00:22:45] Christina: Uh huh. [00:22:45] Brett: that apparently I shouldn’t things like KPI. [00:22:49] Christina: Uh, keep, uh, key performance indicator. [00:22:51] Brett: Like people throw these letters around like, like some indie developers was have any clue what they’re talking about, but [00:22:58] Christina: right. And you’re like, [00:23:00] you’re, you’re like 4k, I’m sorry. yeah. [00:23:02] Um, my OKR, do you guys have those [00:23:06] Brett: Um, maybe I I’m still learning. Yeah. That sounds right. [00:23:11] Christina: Yeah. Okay. So, so there are OKR is there, which are different from KPIs though. A KPI can be used in conjunction with an, I don’t even know, like yeah. Acronym soup, man. [00:23:20] That’s if anybody wanted to like ask, like, what’s my takeaway from like four years in corporate America, a lot of fucking acronyms. [00:23:28] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. And I’m, I’m not shy about asking, like people say things in meetings, especially when they’re talking about like Oracle services, like. A T P and a D w a yeah. Autonomous data warehouse. It, I spent a meeting having no idea what people were talking about and finally just asked, Hey, what do these acronyms stand for? [00:23:57] Got my answer. Did my research [00:24:00] things make a lot more sense when you can understand the words people are saying, or the letters in this case? Anyway, um, I, I will repeat the part that we lost in our first tragic mishap that, um, I added zoom buttons to my, uh, my touch [00:24:22] Christina: non touch bar, your non touch bar. touch [00:24:24] Brett: Right, right. Yeah. So for anyone who missed it, I’m, I’m running a touch bar simulator on my Mac mini with a bunch of like crazy better touch tool scripts and, and fun buttons. [00:24:37] And all of it would work if I had a real touch bar as well, but I no longer do well. I do want my work machine, but I’m trying to keep that one pretty clean. I, I, I do, and I keep it like company fresh. Um, but anyway, I added zoom buttons that give me, so I stole them. I stole the code from the stream deck plugin for zoom, [00:25:00] uh, and it lets me control, mute, and video and share it. [00:25:06] Uh, even when zoom is not foreground. So I, at the top of my screen, I always have big red button telling me that I’m muted and I can click it from anywhere and unmute myself and video and sharing, et cetera. It even has a leave button that hit it, hits the leave button and hits the, okay. So in one tap, I can leave a meeting without having to focus zoom because you know how like some meetings, there’s a bunch of people and you don’t bother to turn on video and you don’t bother to turn on your microphone, but you also don’t want to be the last person left in the room with no video and no mic, because then it’s obvious that you were off doing something else. [00:25:49] So like, you want to be able to make that quick exit when everyone says goodbye. So now I have a button for that. I just hit the button and I’m out of the room and I don’t ha I don’t get the, this meeting has been ended by [00:26:00] the host message. [00:26:01] Christina: Nice. So you can Irish goodbye, everybody real quickly with like a, with, with the click of a button. I like it. [00:26:06] Brett: Yes. I feel like that’s probably racist the Irish people, but I’ve never fully, I guess I’ve also heard it like the French goodbye. And I think they’re the same thing. I think people just associate rude behavior with whatever, whatever cultural group [00:26:23] Christina: This, uh, one of my former managers, Tim, I love him so much, but he’s actually my second favorite manager. Well, now I had, well, I’ve had so many managers, God, um, last year alone, six. Oh yeah. That’s too many, too many. Um, everyone would agree with That Um, but, but Tim was gray, but Tim is famous for that, where you’re in a room with him and all of a sudden he just disappears. [00:26:47] He’s gone. He’s Irish goodbyes and everybody. And we just crack up because he’s the nicest guy, but it’s so funny. Cause that’s just one of those things. He’s just like, they’ll just be like we’re Timco. Oh, okay. You just, you just peaced out. [00:27:00] Like it’s hilarious. [00:27:01] Brett: Nice. So, uh, in other big news, [00:27:05] Christina: Yes. [00:27:06] Brett: I feel like we hit another topic before this, in our previous recording. P man people are really missing out that first [00:27:13] Christina: really hard. It was good. It was, it was good. I had like my, I had my half of it, but that would be incredibly boring to listen to [00:27:20] Brett: Yeah. I just, I can’t even do my half of anyway. Um, uh, so for, for listeners who, who might be new to the show, I have a kitten named nobody, uh, bod for short, and [00:27:36] Christina: best. [00:27:37] Brett: she was named because she was found. As a stray and a cemetery, we named her after the main character from a book by Neil Gaiman called the graveyard book, uh, in which a young, a young boy is, uh, finds his way to the cemetery after a gruesome murder and is raised by ghost [00:28:00] and the ghost named him nobody. [00:28:01] So we named our kitten, nobody, even though she’s a girl, I feel like bod is a pretty unisex name. Um, and I thought now that she’s getting up to about 10 months old, it was time to let the author of the graveyard book know that, that he had a child in the world. And so I tweeted Neil Gaiman with a very 240 character version of the story and he retweeted it. [00:28:28] And now my kitten is famous, not like crazy famous. She got like 1100 likes on the photo [00:28:34] Christina: I mean, that’s pretty. [00:28:36] Brett: Got a, a few quote tweets, a few, a few comments. No, nothing not amazing. Like, I, I have more followers than she does, like, and I wasn’t even rescued from a cemetery, so it’s not crazy, but [00:28:50] Christina: but still that’s pretty great. That’s still, that’s pretty great. Now, now did, now did, um, did, were you one who tweeted it from your account or did you tweet it from her account? [00:28:58] Brett: oh, she doesn’t have an account. I learned my [00:29:00] lesson when I had an account for my pit bull. Uh, and she had a ton of followers and everyone loved her and then she died and it was just too painful to like, [00:29:10] Christina: Oh yeah, 100%. [00:29:12] Brett: and every pet will eventually die. So I don’t think I’m making any more pet account [00:29:19] Christina: No, I, I think that that’s fair. So I didn’t get a Neil Gaiman retweet and, um, uh, I didn’t get as many likes, but, um, I did get a GitHub retweet or quote tweet, which was nice. Um, so, um, actually this was kind of a cool thing that I found. And ironically, here’s, what’s hilarious about this, the tweet, it got 201 retweets 31 quote tweets, 568 likes. [00:29:41] So actually really, really high retweet to like ratio, um, like honestly, um, and, and, and, um, the tweet was not customized at all. I found this thing online and then I clicked on the tweet button and I guess it was, you know, it was whatever the developer had Britain in, um, in his [00:30:00] description, but it’s that classic after dark screensavers rebuilt using CSS animations, um, Hm. [00:30:07] I will put this in the show notes because it is awesome and is also in GitHub. But, um, he recreated like all the classic after dark max screensavers in CSS. [00:30:17] Brett: Nice. [00:30:17] Christina: And, um, and so what the GitHub team did is, uh, they quote tweeted it, but they created a Jif. That’s like an amalgamation of a bunch of different screensavers. [00:30:29] So that was, that was neat. But, um, but I was shocked cause like that I, I just, I found that thing and I thought, I was like, oh, this is neat. Um, I’ll share. And I just clicked on the tweet button. I was expecting it to pop up and like, let me customize it. But it didn’t, it just like send it out, you know, as it was. [00:30:47] And I was like, fine, I’ll just, I’ll just send it out like this, no big deal. Um, and I wasn’t expecting it cause it was like not customized. It was like not gonna, no one’s gonna care, whatever. Um, and apparently had been on hacker news a few days earlier and I’d missed it and I saw it someplace [00:31:00] else. I don’t remember. [00:31:01] And I was like, Oh, this is awesome. And then like whole bunch of people really liked it. Cause people really like retro staff cause who doesn’t. Uh, [00:31:12] Brett: I saw some, some designer re they made a bunch of, uh, HTML web development book covers in the style of old VHS, like eighties, VHS, uh, uh, like [00:31:28] Christina: that’s awesome. [00:31:29] Brett: would buy the blank VHS tape, but like the Maxell whatever. Um, in, in the style of those, uh, covers and they were, they were brilliant. I’ll never find that the, I saw it on Instagram. [00:31:42] I’ll probably never find it again. [00:31:44] Christina: Yeah. I just, I tried to look, the only thing I found this is actually pretty awesome was somebody made fake VHS covers for new shows and movies. And this was apparently years ago. Oh, it was from Gizmodo, from. 2015. [00:32:00] Um, but somebody, but yeah, that, yeah, that’s closest I can find, which is different, but they took things like interstellar and breaking bad and game of Thrones and made like, but actually made like this guy actually, didn’t just like, do the mock-ups. [00:32:11] He like actually made covers and printed them out and put them in the, um, sleeves, which is awesome. Um, so like that, that’s actually a pretty cool, but, uh, no. Yeah. I wish that you could find those. I remember when panic, I still have them somewhere panic made boxes that you could buy for their software that were styled, like Atari games. [00:32:36] Brett: I think I remember that. Yeah. [00:32:38] Christina: And, uh, it was a target and television and, and I bought them because I just thought it was the coolest thing in the whole world. And, and, and, and, and I was like, this is why panic is like my favorite company maybe, ever. [00:32:50] Brett: What’s in panic and I make a hardware, a video game console of some [00:32:54] Christina: Yes. [00:32:54] it actually it’s up for pre or it’s up for pre-order now. Um, they’ll, they’ll ship in 2022 at this [00:33:00] point. Um, mine, I pre-order will be here in 2021, but they, they did it with a teenage engineering. Um, we should get cable on some time to talk about it. Um, and, um, I, I got to play with it almost two years ago at XO XO, uh, 2019. [00:33:16] It’s the last XO XO. Cause they, um, didn’t do it last year. They’re not doing it this year. Hopefully it will be back next year if people can fucking vaccinate themselves and end all this nonsense. Um, and I have to say it was like, there’s like a photo of me playing on it and it’s like pure. Like, it’s just, it’s just the greatest. [00:33:37] Um, but it’s a, they have like a dev kit that, that, um, I think, uh, people will be able to, to get where people can build games, sport and stuff using lists. And, and I think they’ve got like another, uh, not list blue, uh, and, and, uh, and something else. Um, but it’s, uh, it’s teenage engineering did the hardware stuff and, uh, in teenage engineering stuff is just the coolest and, um, [00:34:00] yeah, it’s, it’s awesome. [00:34:01] So it will finally be here sometime next year. I will have it, um, in 2021, at some point I was able to be in the first 20,000 orders. So [00:34:10] Brett: Speaking of pure joy from nerdy things. Do you want to do a notion? [00:34:16] Christina: absolutely. This episode of overtired is sponsored by a notion. 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Um, like the Donald Trump is no longer part of the federal government and therefore the chain of command goes to a thousand million people before it gets to him. [00:37:31] Christina: Yeah, He’s not part of it at all. Like he he’s, he’s not in the Senate. He’s not in the house. He’s not anything, uh, you know, he could potentially run for how seat. [00:37:42] Brett: his only way back in is through some form of election. And we can just pray that that’s never going to happen again. [00:37:49] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, genuinely my hope is that he loses interest more and more, especially now that he no longer has like a way to communicate with people. And by [00:38:00] that, I mean, like he no longer has a way for people to like actually have him on social media. right? Cause like no one read his blog and, and, um, Fox. [00:38:09] I think only, only that, uh, the hag Maria Bartiromo like is really fucking with him and like getting money interviews, but they’re even like, pulling like, like, like YouTube is even pulling in her views with him on, on Fox and stuff. When he says like, you know, like election misinformation stuff. And like those channels, like Fox doesn’t want to have their channel struck. [00:38:30] So they’ll cut. They’ll cut part of the, the presidents or the former president’s remarks, um, from interviews that he does on like Fox news. And then, and then the Trump cronies yell at the Fox news host. And like one of the guys, it was like a stalwart, like diehard Trumpy. And they turn on him so fast and he was so mad and they came back around and they’re like, oh, it wasn’t his fault. [00:38:50] It was this other thing. But I hope that’s a lesson to him is see as, Yeah. [00:38:53] you see how quick, like it wasn’t your fault, but they were so quick to blame you and turn on you. There is no [00:39:00] loyalty from Donald Trump and Trump land. Like they want everyone else to be loyal to them forever, but they have no loyalty. [00:39:05] They will fucking turn on you in a second. [00:39:08] Brett: He won’t help Rudy Giuliani with his legal costs. And Rudy Giuliani is now doing cameo [00:39:15] Christina: Oh, my God. [00:39:16] Brett: for [00:39:17] Christina: is on cameo. [00:39:18] Brett: She can get Rudy Giuliani to perjure himself to whoever you want. [00:39:23] Christina: See, I mean, I wouldn’t because I would just feel too bad, but there’s a big part of me that would love to pay $275 for him to just be like, I’m the biggest asshole in the whole world. My children hate me. And, um, and, and I, and you know, like it, would, it would just be great. Like I would totally, totally do that. [00:39:43] Brett: if it didn’t involve giving $275 to Rudy Giuliani, I would want to do that. [00:39:50] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is, oh my God. This is hilarious. I’m looking this up now. Yeah. Rudy Giuliani’s cameo. Um, he responds in 21 [00:40:00] hours. He is seven five point overviews and 226 people in his gang club. Oh. And his price has gone up to $375. [00:40:07] Brett: Oh, wow. Really, really tapping the scale out there. [00:40:11] Christina: Wow. Uh, uh, the, I doubt you’ve read it, but, um, it’s a good, um, um, read or listened to I, because I also got the audio book, but the, the newest Michael Wolf book, um, about like the days, like starting from, uh, from, from election night, like leaving up to, you know, like the, um, uh, January 6th and, and beyond, or whatnot, um, is really, really good. [00:40:37] And, uh, like it’s, it’s landslide. Like it’s, it’s fantastic actually. Uh, he’s a, he’s a piece of shit. And, uh, I’ve had my own weird things with him personally, before, like I sort of interviewed for a job with him, but it was the most bizarre job interview of my life. I think I’ve talked about this before, so I won’t get into that again, but, uh, [00:41:00] um, but the book is, is really good. [00:41:01] Like I read, um, um, you know, uh, the, the first one, um, like a fade inferior or whatever, like, um, and that was, that was pretty good, but this one has like a Fire and fury. that’s it? I didn’t read the second one, uh, because, uh, it was all about the Mueller investigation. I, I never cared about the Mueller investigation. [00:41:21] Um, to be honest, I, I knew that was just going to be a whole bunch of, I knew that I knew that was going to turn out the way that it turned out as much corruption as there was. I was like, Rachel Maddow. I was going too far down these rabbit holes and, and, and could, could do better things with her time. Um, but, uh, but landslide is great, cause it’s just the most gossipy, just like it is just pure gossip. [00:41:45] And the hilarious thing is the people who kind of pitch themselves as the heroes is the same ones are. Objectively speaking, still the worst fucking people, because these were just like the cronies who stood with him the whole damn time. And then at the [00:42:00] very end, they’re like trying to talk him out of like, they’re trying to like talk reason to him. [00:42:03] They’re trying to like tell him he lost without like telling him he lost. If you’re trying to like convince him to have an orderly transition to power. And then when it’s clear, he’s not doing it. They’re trying to kind of do stuff behind the scenes. Like they’re trying to, like once they realize how far off the wheels things are, they’re trying to like, not let the world fall apart, but what winds up happening when they realize again, cause there’s no loyalty in this place is that then like Trump, all of a sudden starts talking to Giuliani again. [00:42:28] And he and Rudy hadn’t been talking for months and all of a sudden he has time for Giuliani again. And, and, and they all were just like, get him off the phone with Rudy because Rudy. Bullshit. And in his, in his mind, and Rudy’s a drunk all the time. And like even Jenna Ellis at one point who like came and she was like, I’m taking over the, the, the legal investigation and this and that. [00:42:47] And like, she has no legal experience. And, and just, just like from a small town lawyer, and even at a certain point, even, she was like, Yeah. [00:42:54] I’m done like this. This is too much for even me. And it’s just so funny to like, read about like, [00:43:00] just That the, [00:43:03] Brett: That is the salacious content that people want. For sure. [00:43:06] Christina: oh no. It’s. So is, and then what’s, what’s really hilarious is like hope Hicks who had been like his closest, you know, like person, like, like his daughter basically. Right. Like, and, and he clearly wanted to fuck her as well. Um, but, but she was like the Trump whispers, what they called her, you know, she went to Fox news and then she came back and she was there for a long haul. [00:43:28] You know, she got COVID the same time he did. And she was pretty sick with it. And he started like jokingly, but not really blaming her on giving it to him. And that was kind of it for her. She was kinda like, I was really sick with this and, and then you’re like blaming me and then you’re not taking any of the mask stuff seriously. [00:43:47] So she basically pieced out like basically after election day, she was like, basically it was gone. And it’s, it’s just hilarious how all of these people who like they were too stupid [00:44:00] to leave, you know, when they could have maybe still been able to get book deals or, you know, like long lasting TV contracts on conservative networks or, you know, you know, the stuff that you do. [00:44:10] Cause there’s a certain point where like, I would argue anybody in the Trump administration is, is hard. You know, I would say I would hope irredeemably, but I know that’s not true, but the people. Lasted the whole four years are the ones who were definitely gonna be the worst. Cause you never want to be the last one to leave the party or the company or anything. [00:44:30] Like you never want to be last. Like you never want it because cause then you’re tainted with that forever. And so you see all these people who like, are realizing that they have fucked up and are going to be tainted with this forever and they’re still like, Yeah. [00:44:43] Um, I’m not going in. Um, [00:44:46] Brett: Yeah. [00:44:46] Christina: really interesting. [00:44:47] Brett: Yeah. Like there’s a, there’s a certain point where you can get out and people feel sorry for you. You’re you’re like a veteran of something bad and people have sympathy. [00:44:56] Christina: No, especially if you’re like early on, like, like, Yeah. [00:44:58] like I would say like, [00:45:00] uh, like what’s his face? Um, the guy who was the head of the DNC or the RNC, [00:45:03] Brett: Oh yeah, [00:45:04] Christina: right? Like he was out almost immediately and he’s fine. Um, even though he’s like a party crony or whatnot, people were like, he’s fine. Um, uh, Bolton or whatever, who, you know, like was able to kind of write his stuff like there. Yeah. There’s Sean Spicer. You know, like [00:45:22] Brett: doing cameo. [00:45:24] Christina: of course he is, of course gets like the whole grift is, is now all about that stuff. I mean, I liked cameo so much better when it was Lindsay Lohan’s mom trying to charge, like she was, she was trying to charge like $350 for cameos. And then when you would watch some of them, they were like terrible. [00:45:40] And you’re like, Hey, who wants anything from Lindsay Lohan? His mom be like that much. Really it’s like, it was, it was hilarious. But yeah. Um, it’s, it’s sad slash fitting to me that cameo. [00:45:55] is like, at this point, just right-wing rejects. But, [00:46:00] um, but yeah, that, that book, I, I, if you’d like a good salacious, gossipy said, see, read, I have to, I have to give it to him. [00:46:08] He’s he’s a troll and a cretin, but Michael Wolf writes good GOs. I, I can’t, uh, I can’t undermine that. Like, yeah. [00:46:17] Brett: I’m going to, I’m going to draw a very sketchy line here. And I’m not sure I like where it’s going, but speaking, speaking of Lindsay, Lohan’s mom, [00:46:28] Christina: Yes. [00:46:29] Brett: Hillary Duff, [00:46:31] Christina: Oh yes. [00:46:32] Brett: is starring. [00:46:34] Christina: yes. This is a perfect segue. Absolutely. Because Hillary won in the Hillary vs. Lindsey, like battle, like Hillary won, like, like she didn’t move wise, like in the day she didn’t, but long game, Hillary fucking won. [00:46:49] Brett: So she’s, she’s starring in, uh, a spinoff of how I met your mother cleverly titled how I met your father. Have you seen this? [00:46:59] Christina: Um, [00:47:00] I saw that they finally picked it up. Um, I thought the casting, yeah, [00:47:03] Brett: 10 episodes, not out yet, but, and I won’t get any screeners on it or anything, but it actually, like, I think, I think it might be watchable. [00:47:12] Christina: No, I think it might be too. And, and the thing is, um, cause originally it was going to be, I think with the actress that it played his wife, that they then like, you know, the way they did the fucking finale, which we already talked about how now is terrible. I’m not going to get into that again, but now this is like not the same universe, but it is the same con seat. [00:47:34] And um, and it’s from the same people. Um, and uh, yeah, the cast looks good. I think, I think I could be into this too. So it’s so it’s Hilary Duff. Um, Chris Lowell, who was on Barranca Mars, he was Piz, um, uh, fancier, uh, razor from Grown-ish, um, a guy from the Royals. Um, a girl from space force [00:48:00] and a guy who I’ve never heard of. [00:48:03] Um, but, uh, yeah, I could be down for this. This is, this is going to be a Hulu thing. 10 episodes. [00:48:11] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I jumped, I jumped ahead. We weren’t going to get to TV till the end, but that line was just hanging there. [00:48:19] Christina: I’m glad you did that. No, no, no, no. That’s perfect. And Yeah, [00:48:22] Good and good for Hillary Duff. Honestly, she’s had, um, yeah, cause like in the day, like, cause it was like, like Hillary versus Lindsey, right? Like they fought over Aaron Carter and they fought over like who is gonna be the Disney like movie queen and like Lindsey one in that kind of sense. [00:48:39] Like she had more breakouts and got to do mean girls and all that stuff. And um, and, and partied with cooler people and, and Hillary, you know, was like boring and normal. And then like, I think she got married young and, and like had a baby young and just kind of. Disappeared for a while, but like, she’s come back then. [00:48:59] She did, [00:49:00] um, uh, uh, uh, younger, I think. And she was supposed to do a hilly, uh, Lizzie McGuire reboot for Disney plus then like Disney was like, oh, this isn’t, this isn’t like friendly enough bras like this, this is too adult [00:49:15] Brett: Yeah, [00:49:15] Christina: and which is stupid. So that like ended. But, uh, but she’s like had like a nice like career Renaissance. [00:49:21] So good for her I always liked her better, [00:49:23] Brett: What’s her name? That was in, uh, this is us. [00:49:27] Christina: um, anymore. [00:49:27] Brett: Mandy Moore many more went on to great things [00:49:31] Christina: Yes she did. [00:49:32] Brett: after her one hit musical career. [00:49:35] Christina: Yeah. Well, she had like two, [00:49:36] Brett: Sure, sure. Good enough. [00:49:39] Christina: well, I mean, cause, cause, cause cause a walk to remember was like, that was the long tail thing, but [00:49:43] Brett: know that song. Never even heard that. [00:49:46] Christina: no, it was a movie and there were like three songs. [00:49:48] Brett: okay. [00:49:49] Christina: But, but Yeah, [00:49:50] like the, the big song was, was when she was like 16 candy and then, and then she had like a few others, but yeah. [00:49:56] Um, she was also married to Ryan Adams, [00:50:00] which ended up not being great for her, unfortunately. Um, but, uh, Yeah, no, she’s totally had a career Renaissance and I have to say I was wrong when this is us like premiered. I was like, this is a great show, but it stars all these people. Um, and, and there’s no way this is going to last. [00:50:17] There’s no way that a show that Mandy Moore is fronting in 2016 is going to last. I like call. I was like, this is going to be a total flop. I was so wrong. And I’m really glad I was wrong. Right. [00:50:27] Brett: show was amazing. [00:50:29] Christina: yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, I think, I think it’s still Erin. [00:50:32] Brett: I don’t know. I’m a little behind on I’m on the last season. I let it go for a little while, but I was constantly in awe of the writing on that show and the acting. It was all [00:50:46] Christina: no, the acting is really good. [00:50:47] Yeah. Um, um, the guy Fred, the, um, OJ, Esther, Elena I’m Sterling brown, um, from, uh, he’s so good. Well, he was so good in the OJ show. Oh, that’s another, we’re just talking about TV now. It’s fine. Um, [00:51:00] they released the first trailer for American crime story. The impeachment about the Clinton Lewinsky scandal. [00:51:05] Brett: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. I saw that on Twitter. [00:51:09] Christina: I’m so excited about this. Have you, have you watched the other American crime story stuff? So there was the one on OJ Simpson people versus OJ Simpson, which okay. That, in my opinion, I’m not even joking here. I think the people versus OJ Simpson is some of the best television to come out in the last decade, came out five years ago. [00:51:27] It’s fantastic. Sterling K brown was, um, what’s his face? Um, the, uh, um, prosecuting, um, Um, uh, attorney can’t think of Chris, uh, can’t think his last name anyway. Anyway, he was perfect. He won an Emmy for it. They, it swept the Emmys that year as it. [00:51:41] should have. Um, and then the second season was the assassination of Gianni Versace, and that was also excellent. [00:51:49] And, um, they were then going to be doing one on Katrina that they scrapped. And, um, now they’re, they’re doing the, the, um, the Clinton, um, [00:52:00] thing and the casting is a little, the casting is a little weird. The casting is the only thing that I’m kind of like, but I have faith that it’s going to be good. Um, they got, um, uh, Sarah Paulson, like put on a fat suit and a bunch of prosthetics and she is Linda trip, which I think is great. [00:52:19] Um, beanie Feldstein is Monica. [00:52:22] Brett: Okay. I don’t know who that is. I know who Monica is. I don’t know who beanie Feldstein. [00:52:27] Christina: Yeah, you do. She, she was, she was in, um, um, um, um, uh, um, [00:52:34] Brett: Booksmart. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. [00:52:37] Christina: Yeah, Um, she’s, she’s the brunette and Booksmart. She was also in Ladybird and, um, she’s Jonah Hill’s, um, little sister. Here’s the thing I can. say this on this podcast. I can’t say this on another things. I can’t say this on Twitter, um, is very pretty, Monica is actually, I think, much more conventionally attractive. [00:52:58] That’s my only thing with that. Cause I [00:53:00] think being is going to do a great job, but like Monica’s prettier was prayer. Like that’s my only thing because usually it’s the inverse, you know, like you cast for your people. [00:53:11] Brett: Yeah, for sure. [00:53:12] Christina: You know, um, but, but Monica was very attractive. Um, like, like people made fun of her a lot because she had a round face and was, oh my God, a size 12 and whatnot. [00:53:21] I was like, fuck off. Right. But like, uh, you know, they were shitty to her for so many reasons, but, but I, I, I w I would pause, especially the way they made her up with her wig and steps. Like the photos I saw, I was like, oh, Monica is prettier, but I think beanie is going to do a great job. Um, uh, Clive Owen is bill Clinton that doesn’t quite track with [00:53:38] Brett: Yeah, that’s a weird, that’s a weird choice. [00:53:41] Christina: Edie, Falco as a, as Hillary. [00:53:43] Um, but I will say like, Cuba didn’t look anything like OJ and was still great. So, um, and, uh, Ross from friends was, uh, was the Kardashians, uh, in the OJ show and he was great. Uh, John Travolta [00:54:00] was, was fucking Robert Shapiro. And it was great. Like the OJ show, the two OJ things to watch for anyone who’s listening. [00:54:07] And also this is good homework for you in the future. But the first one I would say to watch is the people versus OJ Simpson, American crime story. I think it’s on Netflix. I’m almost positive. It is. If it’s not it’s on Hulu, um, because it was an FX, um, uh, show the other one. Um, and this one I know is on Netflix, but it’s also on Disney plus if you get their whole subscription thing, cause it was ESPN thing is like the six hour 30 for 30, like OJ Simpson documentary that, um, won both the Emmy and, um, the OJ OJ made in America at one, both the Emmy and the Oscar, uh, shouldn’t be possible because. [00:54:50] But, but it did because it won the Emmy. Cause it, Aaron television would win the Oscar cause it was actually broadcast in theaters. And so it qualified under the documentary rules. [00:55:00] Um, the academies have since switched to their eligibility to be like, Okay. [00:55:04] you can have one. Um, but, um, but that is, is like a tremendous, tremendous, um, uh, film. [00:55:12] Um, I would watch the, the maiden, uh, the, the people versus OJ Simpson first because it’s more fun. But up a made in America is like one of those, like, because it really goes into like his background, his life story, his whole thing, like it really does like give you the full thing of like how OJ came to be. [00:55:32] And it’s not sympathetic. It just is, but it is, but it’s, it’s incredibly incredible. Plus it’s a documentary. So one is obviously, you know, Fictionalize. It was based on Jeffrey Toobin’s book, but, but it’s still like played by actors. Um, but, uh, both of those, like 2016 was a great year for OJ content. Um, but, uh, but I’m very excited about the, um, next season of American crime story, which will be out in September. [00:55:56] So [00:55:57] Brett: I, uh, I’m sure I’ve asked you this before, [00:56:00] but have you ever listened to the podcast? You’re wrong about. [00:56:04] Christina: I don’t think so. [00:56:05] Brett: Oh, my God, you would love that podcast. You would love [00:56:08] Christina: to my list. [00:56:08] Brett: Yeah. You have to listen to that. It’s it’s uh, a man and a woman whose names. I I’m not, I don’t listen to the show enough to, to be a fan, but every time I listened to it, I think of you because they take things like Tonya Harding and Monica Lewinsky and OJ, and they do the here’s, all the thing that people got wrong about these stories. [00:56:34] And they look at here was here’s what the public thinks happened. Here’s what actually happened. And they do all the research and they do all the exposition. And it’s really good. [00:56:44] Christina: Okay. I’m subscribing to this now. Yeah. I’m looking at this. Yeah. This, this totally looks like this is completely up my alley. Okay. I’m told I’m totally into [00:56:52] Brett: I can’t, I can’t believe I’ve never asked you about that before. [00:56:55] Christina: I don’t think so. Um, I would have remembered I think, and no, this totally see. Yeah. You’re exactly right. That’s [00:57:00] completely seems like something up my alley. [00:57:02] Um, also for the Monica thing, for anybody who’s interested, there’s a documentary that came. Almost 20 years ago, um, called Monica in black and white, and it was recorded for HBO. Um, and it was fit and Bailey and, um, Randy Barbato and they are, of course now best known as the creators of RuPaul’s drag race, but they are documentarians. [00:57:25] Um, and they did like the eyes of Tammy Faye Bakker and, um, party animal, the documentary, which then became party animal, the feature film with, um, Macaulay Culkin and Seth green. And, um, they, um, they’ve done a lot of other things over the years about like, uh, gay, gay cell culture stuff. And they did an interview kind of documentary thing with her called Monica in black and white. [00:57:47] And it was like, they did like over the course of three days, they had like 10 hours of interview. Things were basically Monica. This was right after she had been let out. Whatever her, her agreement was for, for [00:58:00] immunity, where she couldn’t speak for a certain period of time. And once that had expired, she was allowed to finally talk for the first time. [00:58:05] So she did like a Barbara Walters interview, and then she did this thing that she was, she was, and she hadn’t been able to make money on it or anything. She, you know, worked with somebody on a book. And then she, she did, um, this HBO special where she basically was at like Columbia, I think, and ask questions, like answered questions, both from interviewers, like within the brushing crew, but primarily people in the audience who they literally, they could ask her anything they wanted and like they could be used rude or whatever as possible. [00:58:33] And in some cases, as you see, like towards like the end of it, like some of the questions got pretty, like th like this one guy, there’s a moment where this one guy asked her how it felt to be America’s premier blowjob queen. And he has this shit-eating grin on his face and he’s just smirking. And everybody in the audience is booing and is telling her not to answer it. [00:58:51] And then she ends up kind of like owning him and like giving a really great response. [00:58:56] Brett: She is really good at that. She has, she has [00:59:00] developed a very thick skin and a very sharp wit [00:59:03] Christina: And this was in 2002, so, or 2001, I think it was filmed. The thing came out in 2002. So that was a couple of years removed from the incident. And, you know, so she’s still really young and still doing that. [00:59:16] And I watched it when I was in college, on HBO, probably in like 2003 or something. And it totally changed my perspective on her because I had, you know, I was like 15 at the height of all the impeachment madness. And, you know, you believe what the media is saying, salacious it’s gossipy, it’s this it’s that you don’t think that much about the person. [00:59:37] You don’t think that much about like what this is doing to her and whatnot. Like, you know, and, and, and like, you know, cause she became a tabloid figure the same as like an Amy Fisher or, or a Tonya Harding or Lorena Bobbitt or whatever, you know what I mean? Like it was just one of those things you don’t think about, like the [00:59:52] Brett: and I mean, as far as public perception, she was up against the president of United States. Like that’s, that’s where the focus was. She [01:00:00] became a supporting actor in that. [01:00:03] Christina: No. And, and, and, and beyond that, like the, the administration did everything they could to put the focus on her past transgressions, if you want to call them that and it, and on her personality and, and whatnot, because that took the emphasis off of him. Right? Like the more you could talk about the spectacle that was Monica, the less, you had to focus on the fact that the president was having this improper relationship while in office, while the government is shut down, you know, like the less [01:00:28] Brett: literally in the office. [01:00:30] Christina: exactly, exactly. [01:00:31] Like you, you, you, the last focus on that when you, when you can pin it on, you know, this young woman. And when I watched Monica in black and white and, and it’s on YouTube, if you search for it, it’s in, it’s in multiple parts. Um, uh, but it’s not available, like to actually officially stream anywhere. I don’t think, um, because I was looking for, and I couldn’t find it. [01:00:51] It like the stuff that she says in it, isn’t so much new now. Like she’s given her Ted talk and she’s written stuff for vanity fair and she’s done other things. So I think people are more [01:01:00] familiar with it, but it was really fascinating to watch. I watched it again yesterday, actually for the first time in probably since 2003. [01:01:08] And I was struck by like a, how fucking awful that experience was for her and how terribly she was treated and how she didn’t ask for any of this. Right. Like she, she did lie. She lied on the deposition. That’s what got her in trouble. Um, cause she did what any like right seeming person would do, who was having, who had like an illicit relationship with the present of the United States. [01:01:31] You would lie about that. Like you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t expect that someone who you thought was your friend had been recording your conversations because they had a vendetta against, you know, people in the white house because they hadn’t, you know, been promoted the way they wanted to and want us to get a book deal. [01:01:47] Right. That’s not what you would expect like today, maybe you would, right. Like today I think that because of Linda trip and stuff like that, we’d be more thoughtful about, Okay. [01:01:56] what do I want to share with someone? I don’t know that well over the phone, but like in [01:02:00] nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety seven, whenever she’s not thinking that. [01:02:03] So, but it was just, I rewatched it and it was just really harrowing because I was just struck again by like how terribly she was treated, how her life is. Well, as never, she’s never been allowed to have a normal life or anything even remotely, you know, like she will always be Monica Lewinsky. Like there’s nothing she can do about that. [01:02:22] And, um, how honest and like raw she was with her answers. Like it was really, really remarkable anyway. Um, that’s another tangent, but if people are interested in the impeachment American crime story thing, I definitely recommend seeking out, um, Monica in black and white from the drag race guys, because I thought, especially when you consider it was a full, it was like 15 years before. People started to reconsider her. Um, it was ahead of its time. [01:02:52] Brett: I’m going to, I’m going to stick one more ad read and. [01:02:55] Christina: Yeah, of course. 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It [01:04:48] Christina: No, when it’s, it said you got like Christina unhinged rants and I apologize for that. [01:04:53] Brett: Well, I mean, to be fair in that last bit, there was some golden Christina ranting going on [01:05:00] to [01:05:00] Christina: Hmm. [01:05:01] Brett: me, but it was still fresh. It was like fresh Christina ranting [01:05:05] Christina: Right [01:05:06] Brett: off, off the, off the dome. [01:05:08] Christina: the chain. Yep. [01:05:09] Brett: Yeah. Anyway. Good job, Christina. We pulled off an hour. [01:05:13] Christina: We pulled off an hour. Thank you, Brett. Sorry that, uh, our, our first bit, uh, didn’t uh, share, but, uh, yeah. And then we missed talking about some of the stuff we were going to talk about. We’ll get into it. We’ll find stuff in the future to talk about. [01:05:25] Brett: Yeah. I mean, Brittany will still be that whole thing will still be [01:05:29] Christina: I will explain, actually, if anything, we will have more information about the Brittany thing hopefully next week. So I think after, I think, or next time we record, cause you might know you’re recording next week, but next time we record after we do Brett’s mental health corner, we will do a Brittany update. [01:05:44] Brett: I will be here next week. [01:05:46] Christina: You will be here next week. Okay. [01:05:47] Brett: Yes. All right. Well, I know you’re well rested, but I still insist that you get some sleep. [01:05:54] Christina: Thank you. You as well, get some sleep, Brett.

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[00:00:32] Christina: [00:00:32] it’s going to be one of [00:00:33] those days, [00:00:34] Brett: [00:00:34] I’ve been sleeping so much lately. I’m I’m in that like low energy part of my month with my like recent cycle of like manic episodes. Just, just regular depressive episodes. But I’m not, I’m not depressed. Like [00:00:49] I’m in a, I’m in a, great mood. Yeah, just super [00:00:52] tired, just, oh, and it’s bad timing with like the big hands-on lab coming up. [00:00:58] Christina: [00:00:58] Yeah. Yeah, [00:01:00] because you’re in crunch time. Um, first, uh, I guess we should get into that. Um, for Brett Brett’s mental health corner slash uh, bread set, work update, um, things work out okay. With work with you not having the thing done. Like I, like I [00:01:14] Brett: [00:01:14] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Everything’s cool. Uh, the guy building the lab came through and I was able to write up all of my stuff. Um, a little bit. There, I wished the lab was more interactive. Like that’s kind of the point of a hands-on lab is to really be hands-on. But in order to, in order to change, like if you wanted to play around with the, the inputs to the machine learning, it takes 40 minutes to compile the changes [00:01:46] in a two hour lab that [00:01:48] is. Untenable. So we’re basically, we’re, we’re explaining to people like how to do this on your own. And they have like 30 days of, uh, like $500 in credits to [00:02:00] use with the cloud platform. So they’ll have plenty of time to play with it. And my goal is to make sure they, they know how to buy. End of the lab. So that’s, you know, that’s my responsibility. [00:02:11] I’m cool with it. Things are going well. I learned the hard way that Jupiter lab does not autosave. I had gone through, I had spent an entire day like adding notes to the notebooks so that people could understand what was happening, uh, change, how, like I went in and changed the legends on all of the charts that it output so that they made more sense. [00:02:34] Uh, They were not written by a native English speakers. So tons of, of minor edits. And I just assumed, like, because in this day and age who hits save like everything auto saves, but then my computer crashed, which is another problem I’m having lately. And, uh, and, uh, I lost a whole day of, uh, of edits. So, you know, that was cool. [00:03:00] [00:02:59] Christina: [00:02:59] Yeah, no. When you told me about that, like, I felt so bad and then I actually looked into It Cause I thought I was like, I thought Jupiter notebooks had autosave and it does, but I guess maybe whatever you were using didn’t work or maybe you didn’t have the interval set the right way or whatever. [00:03:12] Brett: [00:03:12] It saves checkpoints, but you still have to manually hit save. [00:03:18] Christina: [00:03:18] okay. Also, I will confess here that at this point, I use visual studio code [00:03:24] Brett: [00:03:24] Of course you do. Yeah. Yeah. [00:03:27] Christina: [00:03:27] well, you know, but this is the lesson you and I learned. I mean, this is actually like the ultimate lesson, which is like, never write in the CMS. [00:03:39] Brett: [00:03:39] Right. [00:03:40] Christina: [00:03:40] And, and the Jupiter notebook is, is a CMS. [00:03:43] The problem is it’s like a web app. So you know, like, like, uh, um, I think JetBrains has like support in, in visual studio code does and some other things, but there aren’t like, know, nobody’s made like a native way to do [00:03:57] it cause it’s a web app. So [00:03:59] Brett: [00:03:59] I mean, [00:04:00] with WordPress, like I never used to write in the WordPress editor. [00:04:04] But it’s gotten so good at like auto-save, you can completely crash or your web browser can close out and you can come back and everything’s there because it auto saves frequently. [00:04:18] Christina: [00:04:18] Right, which is nice when that happens. I don’t know. Uh, I I’ve been, and I w I’m sure that I would have made a similar mistake to you or could have like, cause, cause we all have those lessons. We have to like relearn it or whatever, either relearn having to save frequently. [00:04:33] or relearn, like use something that has like a, a better mechanism. [00:04:39] I, for whatever reason, I don’t care what it is. Even when I’ve seen really graceful, restores from saving in the web editor in a browser. That’s just, it’s one of those things where I’m just like, no, I’m not doing [00:04:51] this. Like I’m not saving in the browser. [00:04:53] Brett: [00:04:53] Yeah, I understand. I just, because this was running in a cloud compute [00:04:59] that [00:05:00] I didn’t have easy SSH access to. And like, it was very complicated. [00:05:06] I. [00:05:07] Christina: [00:05:07] understand again, like I’m just going to plug it again. Cause you could use it with your same things, like visual studio code. You can use it to do like cloud instance stuff where you could be loading the project from like your server and it would handle all the SSH and all that stuff with it. [00:05:23] Um, but yeah, I totally, um, that would require you’d probably would install something like on a server, which. He may or may not be able to provision so I could see how that could be a problem. But no, I, I get, I get exactly what you’re saying when you’re like in a situation where you can’t configure your tools the way you want, and you’re having to use the browser everything’s been working great. [00:05:43] You thought that it was autosaving something went wrong and you realize, oh, this really wasn’t doing what I thought I was going to do. And now I [00:05:49] have to redo stuff and that’s the worst. [00:05:52] Brett: [00:05:52] I had to walk away for like two hours just to like, just [00:05:55] cope with cope, with the loss for a little. [00:05:57] Christina: [00:05:57] 100%. No, and we’ve all been there. [00:06:00] And again, like the, the rule of like, don’t edit in the CMS, we all learn it we’ve [00:06:05] lost things that [00:06:07] Brett: [00:06:07] Sure. Like we, we both come from the, uh, the blog world [00:06:12] Christina: [00:06:12] Yeah. [00:06:12] Brett: [00:06:12] writing for, for large, large organizations that expect you to write in the CMS. And we’ve both spent, you know, our entire careers, finding ways around that. [00:06:22] Christina: [00:06:22] I was going to say exactly like we basically, Yeah. [00:06:25] That’s exactly what we found our entire careers around doing what they wanted us to do. Like to the point where Um, I, I was using marked even at, um, it gives Moto in Kenya. I don’t know what its status is now, but I doubt it’s [00:06:38] Brett: [00:06:38] Oh, right. Yeah. [00:06:40] Christina: [00:06:40] W w will great hill the company that bought Gawker from Univision, um, not a good company almost everybody has left. [00:06:49] And I’m not sure how many members of the development team are there. But when I was there, um, both in the pre, in the, in the, during Univision era, [00:07:00] I was actually kind of impressed by. How there, you know, they had a pretty robust product team and the CMS I have to say pretty good. but I still was still paranoid that I would write in my, you know, text editor and use marked And then like copy marked into like RTF to paste [00:07:18] Brett: [00:07:18] Yeah. [00:07:19] Christina: [00:07:19] into [00:07:20] Brett: [00:07:20] Yeah. And it, somehow that work that’s how good Kendra was though. Like the, the bane of CMS is back in the day was people would try to paste from word and they would get horrible markup. Um, and then these newer systems came along where you could paste rich text into them and get perfectly clean markup. [00:07:41] And that was that’s cool. Um, I’m not going to lie. That’s cool. [00:07:45] Christina: [00:07:45] I know, and I was happy with that. I was like, Okay. [00:07:47] I can’t do my custom kind of, you know, input the way that I would want to, but I, the it’ll do the RTF and was good enough. And I’m going again. This was, you know, five years ago, um, uh, four or five years ago, but it was good enough that it actually supported [00:08:00] embed stuff fairly well. [00:08:02] Like it would, it would, you know, um, uh, uh, in a Wiziwig style handle that. Quite well, but also if you did need to go in and edit, the actual code [00:08:11] Brett: [00:08:11] Okay. [00:08:11] Christina: [00:08:11] actually let you access that. Whereas like the that Mashable built, which was a dumb thing for them to build, and that whole product team was gone within a year of it being built because was sold and they all. [00:08:26] Brett: [00:08:26] Yeah. [00:08:26] Christina: [00:08:26] deemed needle, you know, and, and certainly they weren’t like, you know, zip Davis or, or, or the corpse of Ziff Davis or whatever, who, uh, who bought Nashville. Didn’t, uh, didn’t buy it for the CMS, but in that case, Like they’d, over-engineered it. And they had all these things, but it didn’t work that well. [00:08:43] And I was like, okay, I need actually a way to like and edit the main markup. And they were like, we’ll, we’ll maybe give you access, but we really don’t want you to do that because it can break some other things. Okay, but that’s not my problem. Like [00:09:00] I need to work in. Right. And I’m not saying that that was why I left it wasn’t but it certainly like helped when I was like, I’m not using this fucking CMS. [00:09:08] Like, this is just bad [00:09:10] experience. [00:09:11] Brett: [00:09:11] AOL AOL tech made, uh, an attempt at building their own CMS and like the idea behind it was good. Uh, you know how WordPress has like a block editor now? [00:09:24] Uh, that was, that was their, their kind of it, this was before Gutenberg came out, but that was the premise of what they wanted to rebuild. And it wasn’t a horrible idea, but in much the same way they tried to abstract so far away from actual HTML markup that I felt like it was a mistake because in the end we are producing HTML markup and you [00:09:47] can’t really. [00:09:49] Christina: [00:09:49] That’s the thing. I mean, honestly, that’s my problem with, with Gutenberg? Um, well, I have a lot of problems with Gutenberg. I have a lot of problems with, get what WordPress is trying to do. WordPress has been stuck in this weird middle phase. I feel like [00:10:00] for number of years where are very actively trying to compete with Squarespace and Wix and, um, uh, what’s the, what’s the builder that everybody uses. [00:10:09] Um, the, the front end one that people like. [00:10:12] Brett: [00:10:12] I don’t know. [00:10:13] Christina: [00:10:13] Um, I can’t think of the name of it, but it’s like a commercial. It’s a, it’s a SAS CMS. I can’t think of the name of it right now. They’re trying to compete with those things. They’re also really trying to compete with Shopify, like kicks ass and they’re like, oh, use woo commerce, user hosted stuff, whatever. [00:10:26] Cool. Whatever problem is, is that most of your older school, like developers, agencies and people who’ve been with WordPress. Aren’t part of that world. And so it was this weird thing where you can’t do all this stuff with the blocks that you could do with the old world, also the old, like developers and people don’t know. [00:10:46] JavaScript well enough to do the new stuff. [00:10:48] So it’s just kind of a shit [00:10:50] show. [00:10:51] Brett: [00:10:51] Yeah. Yeah. So I got a corporate Amex card. [00:10:56] Christina: [00:10:56] Hell [00:10:56] yeah. What have you bought on it? So. [00:10:59] Brett: [00:10:59] I will, [00:11:00] I am about to charge a bunch of video equipment because I am now expected to make dynamic looking exciting videos. Uh, I somehow got roped into that, but it’s cool. Um, I’m, I’m gonna, I’m gonna be a video personality. Think about this card is they did this cool thing where like, it’s got this, the whole thing looks like a dollar bill, right? [00:11:24] This kind of banner that says members sense. Uh, it’s clear so that like, if you hold it up to light, it glows through it, except for they put different words in the same banner on the back. So when you do hold it up too late, you just get a jumble of forwards and backwards letters. That’s completely unreadable. [00:11:43] And I don’t understand why you would take something that cool and then write reclaim. Cause it’s all reclaimed plastic. So they put reclaimed in the banner on the other side anyway, minor quirk, uh, um, I’m, I’m pretty sick. I haven’t had a corporate credit [00:12:00] card since, uh, what is it like 2005. It’s been awhile. [00:12:05] This is fun. [00:12:06] Christina: [00:12:06] Yeah, No, it’s totally fun. Do you have any other American express? [00:12:09] Brett: [00:12:09] No, should I? [00:12:12] Christina: [00:12:12] Um, it’s my favorite credit card, but, uh, I? [00:12:15] have like three of them. Um, [00:12:17] Brett: [00:12:17] Yeah. [00:12:18] Christina: [00:12:18] no, but I pay them off in full every month. It’s [00:12:20] Brett: [00:12:20] Sure. Sure. Sure. [00:12:21] Christina: [00:12:21] Um, like their membership reward stuff. I liked some of their perks. I will say, if you are going to consider getting like a personal Amex card, pay the $75 to, um, get your points, your, the membership reward points that you earn on your corporate card to go to your personal. [00:12:37] Brett: [00:12:37] Okay. Good tip. [00:12:39] Good. [00:12:40] Christina: [00:12:40] a one-time thing. that way, any of the stuff you earn on your corporate card will get those things. And, and the, they often have like Good. [00:12:47] good redemption deals and other stuff. If we ever are able to travel again, they have good things for that, but you can also use them for other stuff. And they’re usually valued at about 2 cents of points. [00:12:57] So. [00:12:57] Brett: [00:12:57] I’m supposed to be traveling [00:13:00] again as early as this fall, but all those plans were made before [00:13:04] the Delta variant. [00:13:05] Christina: [00:13:05] I was going to say everybody’s pushed back the stuff like we’re not going into the offices now. They say earliest will be October 7th. Um, have finally, I’m glad I had mentioned this last episode. I think that I wanted them to require people to be vaccinated and that is actually happening. [00:13:23] Brett: [00:13:23] Oh, [00:13:24] Christina: [00:13:24] Which is good. Cause, cause they’d said in January they were like, oh, we won’t force people to do that. And I kind of get why they wanted to get out ahead of that. I kind of don’t, I’m kind of like, know, don’t make promises like that and fucking force people to get vaccinated. Now it’s going to be a requirement. [00:13:38] Any vendor, any visitor, any like anybody who enters the offices is going to have to upload proof of [00:13:44] vaccination. So that’s good. [00:13:46] Brett: [00:13:46] I’m down with it [00:13:49] like this whole, this whole, huh? R w we, we could be, we could be almost back and normal. Now, [00:13:57] if, if everyone was. [00:13:58] Christina: [00:13:58] this stuff. if, everybody had gotten [00:14:00] their fucking shots, this wouldn’t have mutated. I mean, that’s what pisses me off is that we’re all going to have to go back to the fucking mask bullshit. And the other stuff I went on this rant last week, but now I’m just mad about it on Owen she’ll never listen. [00:14:12] My fucking sister still isn’t vaccinated and is like refusing to get vaccinated. And I know, and my parents are pissed. My mom doesn’t want to be like alone in, in confined spaces with her. And I don’t blame her boss, I’m hoping who is a doctor is going to be like, if you’re going to continue to work with me, you have to be vaccinated. [00:14:32] I’m hoping that that will have to be done, but she’s, she keeps coming up with random excuses and it’s so stupid. And with her, she’s not a dumb person, but she’s not as smart as she thinks she is, you can’t tell her anything. Well, my mom blames this and my mom’s not wrong. My mom blames the back that she was. [00:14:51] tested when she was four and was found to have a genius IQ. [00:14:54] And my mom was dumb enough to tell her that. So she has this complex, her whole fucking life, a not realizing, you know, your [00:15:00] IQ goes down as you, as you get older and be like, doesn’t mean that you have common sense or good judgment, which she has neither. So, but. She is smart enough to be like, you can’t tell her anything. [00:15:12] So it’s really frustrating arguing with her because even if you’re an expert in something, she’ll be convinced that she knows better and there’s like, [00:15:18] nothing you can do [00:15:20] Brett: [00:15:20] Does your IQ go down as you get older? [00:15:22] Christina: [00:15:22] well from when they test it. Yes. So like, if you get tested when you’re like four or five or under. Your IQ will be lower if they test you when you’re like 20 or 30 or whatever. don’t think that you actually get dumber, I think is just the, I guess maybe the range or how they’re testing it. That [00:15:40] changes [00:15:40] Brett: [00:15:40] I feel dumber. Like I test, I have a high IQ and I was put into like all kinds of gifted programs. [00:15:49] Christina: [00:15:49] same. [00:15:50] Brett: [00:15:50] And, uh, I definitely, I I’ve, I always blamed the drugs, but I definitely feel dumber. Like it [00:16:00] takes me so much longer. Cognitive function takes me so much longer than it did when I was a kid. [00:16:07] Christina: [00:16:07] Yeah. I don’t know. It’s hard for me to kind of grasp. I don’t know. I feel sometimes I feel like I am in this room. I feel like I’m not, I don’t know, because part of it, because of them like, okay, if I actually apply myself and I actually do stuff, I’m a pretty smart person. I don’t think I’m dumb or there was a period of time, especially when I was like, You know, post-college and I was kind of in like my quarter-life like fuck-up period where I was like, didn’t know what to do with my life, where I was like cursive to get to child, you know, I [00:16:32] Brett: [00:16:32] Yeah. [00:16:32] Christina: [00:16:32] the, things was like, I was like, Yeah. [00:16:34] I was going to be all these things and look at me now. [00:16:37] Brett: [00:16:37] Yeah. [00:16:38] Christina: [00:16:38] I’m a blogger part time. Like what the fuck? [00:16:43] Brett: [00:16:43] Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:45] Christina: [00:16:45] know, like it, it was the part-time part. That was the real thing, but this was awesome. When I graduated from college and the financial crisis happened and I was like, well, I’m not going to get into law school. All my grades, like, man, I could get in with the L Sapp, but [00:17:00] like, I’m not going to get, you know, like, no one’s going to give you money to go. [00:17:03] And, uh, and my parents were like, we paid a whole bunch of money for your undergrad. The financial crisis has hit us pretty hard. Cause your dad’s in real estate. Um, best of luck to you. If you’re doing that, it’s coming out of your own pocket and I’m like, Yeah. that’s not a risk I want to take. But Yeah. [00:17:20] there was like a whole lot of me where I was like, okay, oh, you know how all these like great, you know, like and expectations and I’m a fuck up, but you know, like a decade after all that I’m like, Yeah. Actually worked out. Okay. So [00:17:33] I feel better. 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Any sort of, you know, uh, child, uh, you know, sexual abuse, imagery, any of that stuff is, is a poor and, and terrible and shouldn’t exist. [00:21:14] Uh, that said, um, the way that apple and the way that they’re presenting this is they, they, they had this whole big like press briefing thing, um, on Thursday where they were like, oh, look at all the things we’re going to be doing to a limit, you know, like, uh, you know, um, uh, you know, Like harmful images of children from, from getting out there it was like, oh, this is great. [00:21:38] And then you look into it and you’re like, actually, this whole thing is pretty fucked on a lot of levels. So basically announced that they are doing two different things. Um, is they’re calling this expanded protections for children. So the first thing that they’re doing. Is, they are doing CSAM, uh, uh, detection where [00:22:00] basically they there’s like a database that is maintained by like one of the government agencies has known, um, you know, abusive, um, imagery and it, uh, really bad stuff. [00:22:11] And they are using the hashes from that they will be comparing. Device side, like, so client side, um, photos that are on your phone and they will basically be able to like figure out like if the hash matches or not. So they’re not like doing AI to say, oh, this is, this is a child it’s being like, no, the, the, you know, algorithmic hash of this photo matches this book. [00:22:35] Now they claim if they, you know, find out that it matches or not that they’re not doing anything with it until that file is uploaded to iCloud. but it’s still like a pretty problematic thing to be like, okay, your phone. Now, the stuff that you do on your phone is now being scanned and monitored by apple. [00:23:00] [00:23:00] Like that, that I know [00:23:00] Brett: [00:23:00] Kinda, but it is device side. [00:23:04] Christina: [00:23:04] Yeah, but that honestly, I think makes it worse. Like, in this case it’s device side, but it’s like, they’re, they’re claiming they’re not doing anything with it until it uploads, but that also means that they could change things like device side. [00:23:20] Like it should be other databases too. [00:23:22] So I feel like the slippery slope is, is pretty gargantuan. Like, and, and not even, not even gargantuan the actually opposite of that, I feel like is actually a really. Low slope to go from. we’re going to have database of hashes for, you know, uh, [00:23:41] Brett: [00:23:41] Child porn. [00:23:42] Christina: [00:23:42] porn. [00:23:43] too. We’re going to use the database, um, of, of terrorist content, which actually has been created. [00:23:49] Uh, people have created that sort of thing, but eff, um, had a really good, um, blog on, uh, on their website, um, kind of highlighting some of these problems. So. [00:24:00] And, and, and I think it also becomes a problem where it’s like, okay, so, you know, and, and you’re having to trust them to basically say, oh, we’re not doing anything with this until we upload it. [00:24:07] And I’m like, okay, but what opportunities do you have to upload or not? Because depending on how you’re using iCloud and, and, and, and, and I photos stuff that. You don’t really have option unless you turn all of that stuff off. So that in and of itself, I have some problems with, um, although like, I think like the idea is good. [00:24:31] I don’t know. It just seems to me like, [00:24:34] Brett: [00:24:34] So when, when, when they find a problematic image though, aren’t they just blurring it, uh, like three levels of blood. And [00:24:42] notifying parents. [00:24:43] Christina: [00:24:43] No, that’s different. That’s different. Which I actually think that thing is worse. There’s two separate things. They completed them and made a part of one announcement. the first thing is that they’re doing this CSAM detection based on the photo set. Um, you know, this is maintained by the national center for missing and exploited children. [00:25:00] [00:25:00] And then the other feature. Scans all I message images sent or received by child accounts. And so that’s all accounts that are designated as someone who’s under 18. And then, um, it, it scans them all for sexually explicit material. And then if the child is young enough, notify the parents. [00:25:18] that those images are sent or received, and that feature can be turned on or off by parents. [00:25:24] beach I think Is really fucked, because to me that feature. And the FF says this I’m I’m, I’m basically kind of like, uh, quoting from them like, uh, directly here is basically makes, um, a complete mockery of, of the fact that like they’re, they’re end to end encryption doesn’t exist. Like, what are apple calls? [00:25:45] It is no longer secure messaging because if you are doing that sort of AI scanning, which is not based on the hashes, which is not based on the child stuff, which is just based on their own machine learning to say, is a pornographic image. Um, and you’re, you’re been notifying the user, [00:26:00] Hey, this is pornographic. [00:26:01] And then they’re giving you a pop-up. If you want to view this, we’re going to send it to your parents. if you’re between 13 and 17, why they’re even showing you a pop up, they’re claiming they’re not going to send it to your parents, but they’re like, oh, you sure you want to view this? Um, but if you’ve been sent it to like a, another kid, if you say yes, and it comes into their chat, like their parents are going to get notified and they’re not even going to get a, pop-up like, it’s the whole thing is fucked. [00:26:26] Like kids are going to get out it, like kids are going to get [00:26:29] outed because of this. [00:26:31] Brett: [00:26:31] Is that really a bad thing? [00:26:34] Christina: [00:26:34] yeah. I mean if you okay, if you’ve got gay kids [00:26:37] Brett: [00:26:37] Oh, you mean out it out? [00:26:38] Christina: [00:26:38] yes, yes. [00:26:40] Brett: [00:26:40] Huh? [00:26:42] Christina: [00:26:42] I mean, think about it. Like if you, if you’ve got kids who are dealing with like, you know, like sexuality confusion and whatnot, and they are receiving messages and look, I’m not getting into morality thing, frankly. [00:26:52] It’s not my shop at it’s on apple shop either. Like leave that to the third party services that want to sell software to [00:27:00] parents. I don’t understand why apple needs to be in this business, but I’ll tell you what bothers me even getting aside my own. Issues with apple being paternalistic, like assholes about this, and I’m sorry, but they, they don’t need to be involved in this. [00:27:12] This is not their business. Like this doesn’t need to be part of their bottom line. They’re not going to make any money off of this. Like, the fuck out of like, you know, like teenagers, like sex, honestly. Is that they do it with that, they basically just shown to governments like the Chinese communist party and, um, you know, to Hong Kong and to, and to others, you know, Russia, India to say, oh, we’re going to be able to go through and identify if content is offensive in another way. [00:27:40] And we can alert people of it is. And if they choose to view it, we can send it to the government like [00:27:47] Brett: [00:27:47] Yeah, that’s problematic. [00:27:48] Christina: [00:27:48] that’s not an insane thing to think about that. It’s not insane to think that China would be like, yes, if you share a winning the poo image, going to upload that to the government. Like that’s not actually an out-of-bounds thing to think about. [00:27:58] Like that’s actually [00:28:00] completely, completely like, like that seems completely likely, I’m not saying that that’s going to happen, but if someone told you that that happened, you wouldn’t be surprised. I mean, keep in mind, this is the same country forests. You know, the, the, the minority, um, Muslim population, to install malware on their phones so that they could track and stock them. [00:28:23] So like, you know, in, in, in, in like it didn’t, you know, to connect, you know, genocide. Like this is not a country that is going to in the least bit, be like, oh, yes, if you’ve said something against your leader, or immediately sending [00:28:36] this, you know, [00:28:38] Brett: [00:28:38] Yeah, no, I, I, I see the, I see the pitfalls there for sure. [00:28:43] I see where you’re coming from. [00:28:45] Christina: [00:28:45] So I’m pissed about it, cause it just seems like I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t even be so mad if apple didn’t sell themselves as the fucking privacy. And to me, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that you’re the privacy company and talk about like everything that’s on your iPhone [00:29:00] stays on your iPhone and then monitor people’s eye messages if it’s a designated as a child account. [00:29:04] But that shows that if you can do it for the child accounts, that you could do it for accounts and other places, and you could do it for other things. if you’re saying, yeah, we’re going to be doing client side, know, surveillance and marking. If stuff is upgraded or not. I think I’d have less of an issue with the CSAM stuff. [00:29:23] the reason that they had to do it, client side because all the photos that were stored were encrypted, but they’re not. [00:29:30] Brett: [00:29:30] Yeah. [00:29:31] Christina: [00:29:31] So they could, and in fact, they already have, in some cases, run images that are stored those databases. So I don’t like, there’s nothing in their white paper that explains why they need to do that. [00:29:43] They go into all these details about how secure their stuff is, but it’s like, it ignores the fact that, and I call it backup is not encrypted. Like your messages, your photos, your mails, like all these things are not encrypted. emoji’s are actually. Your fucking [00:29:57] Brett: [00:29:57] Okay. [00:29:57] Christina: [00:29:57] are and your apple car transactions [00:30:00] that, you know, any law enforcement agency can reach out to, um, Goldman Sachs and get a list of all of your credit card transactions. [00:30:08] Brett: [00:30:08] Okay. [00:30:08] Christina: [00:30:08] Um, that’s such encrypted. Yeah. [00:30:10] because I mean that, that would be very easy. Those two things are encrypted your emojis and your, and your, your applecart transactions are encrypted. Um, and can’t be unlocked and your passwords, which is a good thing. Like your key chain is encrypted, but everything else, um, is. [00:30:25] Not encrypted in, in, in, I called backups. If they were, if they were announcing this and they were saying, Hey, by the way I call it, backups are now going to be completely encrypted. And because of that, have to do this fingerprinting. Okay. [00:30:38] Like, I still have problems with it I still feel like it’s a slippery slope and it could go into a way that I don’t like. [00:30:44] And I don’t like, I don’t like the rationale of saying, because we want to stop this one bad thing. We’re doing this. We’re, we’re, we’re making this exception because that’s how you get shit like and sista, was [00:30:56] Brett: [00:30:56] Yeah. [00:30:56] Christina: [00:30:56] about stopping sex trafficking and has actually just made things [00:31:00] worse [00:31:00] Brett: [00:31:00] Yeah. [00:31:01] Christina: [00:31:01] and, you know, and so, so I feel like it’s like, Okay. [00:31:04] you can. [00:31:05] But you, but you could at least have an argument. You could at least have that conversation, right now the photos aren’t encrypted anyway. So who the hell cares? Like why does it need to be done to by side? I don’t know. I’m just, I’m bothered by the whole thing. So that’s my. [00:31:19] Brett: [00:31:19] Right. I’m you make a lot of sense. Like I had not considered a lot of these points. I did not read anything, uh, from the eff since I read that or announcement, but yeah. [00:31:30] Christina: [00:31:30] we’ll put our, we’ll put the link in the, in the show notes. And I should say that, like, when I found out about this, I was hopping mad with, um, a friend of mine who works the eff. Um, but yeah. I was saying all. [00:31:42] the same things. Like we actually were freaked out because we were realizing that the quarantine has made us the same brain that, that, that freaks both of us out. [00:31:51] I wasn’t, it wasn’t like by, you know, I mean, like, I, I was, Apple’s like biggest defender and like supporter when they fought against [00:32:00] during the, the San Bernie Bernardino shit. And I thought that they did the right thing. I’m, I’m going to be very critical here because. I dunno, like I take civil liberties very seriously and I don’t know. [00:32:13] It honestly, it would bother me. It would bother me less of Google or Amazon or Facebook did this because they don’t pretend. To be the privacy companies. They don’t pretend to [00:32:22] Brett: [00:32:22] At all. [00:32:23] Christina: [00:32:23] They don’t fucking pretend. almost makes it worse when like you have ad campaigns and you sell yourself as a worst, so much better. [00:32:31] then you do shit like this, which is so clearly, and almost like blatantly to get the feds, to like leave them alone. [00:32:44] Brett: [00:32:44] Yeah. So did you watch physical yet? [00:32:47] Christina: [00:32:47] Um, [00:32:50] Brett: [00:32:50] Apple TV? [00:32:51] Christina: [00:32:51] Yes, yes, yes, yes, Yes. Yes. [00:32:53] Brett: [00:32:53] yes, [00:32:54] So I’m very much looking forward to the last episode I got totally hooked on that show. I’m like, [00:33:00] [00:33:00] I’m super glad Ted lasso is back. I, I, um, I’m going to be watching the hell out of that, but physical was really good. [00:33:08] Christina: [00:33:08] I agree. [00:33:09] Brett: [00:33:09] I really liked this surfer, dude. I really, I love this surfer dude. [00:33:13] Christina: [00:33:13] oh, and apparently it has been, um, um, renewed for a season. [00:33:17] Brett: [00:33:17] Oh, cool. That’s great news. Um, [00:33:19] Christina: [00:33:19] news because I, I mean, um, w we don’t know yet how we’re going to go on, like, the Netflix, like, support don’t support thing, You know [00:33:30] Brett: [00:33:30] yeah. [00:33:30] Christina: [00:33:30] I’m glad that [00:33:31] they, they renewed it for season two. [00:33:33] Brett: [00:33:33] You know what my comfort show is become. Did I tell you already? [00:33:37] Christina: [00:33:37] Um, is it, it’s not Frazier? [00:33:39] Brett: [00:33:39] No, it was Frazier? [00:33:41] And then it, like, we got into some like more modern stuff. We did parks and rec and the office and, um, all of that stuff. But lately got back into Chuck. [00:33:56] Christina: [00:33:56] I loved Chuck. [00:33:57] Brett: [00:33:57] It w like season one, [00:33:59] Chuck is [00:34:00] kind of a throwaway show. Uh, it’s very cookie cutter formula, but season two, it’s still a bunch of bottle episodes, but it’s far more interesting and better character development. [00:34:12] And I’m actually like, I’m looking forward to watching it. Uh, we’re also doing community right now [00:34:18] for like my. [00:34:18] Christina: [00:34:18] was, I was actually going to, I was going to ask if you were [00:34:20] watching community because community is one of my. [00:34:21] comfort. Yeah. [00:34:22] Brett: [00:34:22] Yeah, for sure. At community kind of like the goat, I, something about the like six season. Like it, it loses some charm for me. Yeah. But, uh, but it’s still awesome. [00:34:36] Christina: [00:34:36] It’s still a great, well, I mean, there is to them at that point they’d been canceled, renewed, canceled, renewed, [00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] Hm. [00:34:41] Christina: [00:34:41] and then like Yahoo of all people like save them and then they cut the budget, you know? And like it just, Donald Glover was like, actually I’m gonna like be on my way to, to like an EGOT winner because [00:34:54] Brett: [00:34:54] Sure. [00:34:55] Christina: [00:34:55] have no doubt that’s probably going to happen for him. [00:34:58] and, uh, [00:35:00] yeah, it ran [00:35:01] out of steam. [00:35:02] Brett: [00:35:02] 6, 6, 6, at six seasons in a movie. [00:35:05] Christina: [00:35:05] Yup. mean, look, they could make it happen. I mean, it would be a lot, but I think that, um, Dan Harmon problem, I mean, he, they, keeps claiming that he wants to happen. I feel like Donald Glover is probably going to be the hardest one. To get, uh, his timing around, [00:35:20] Brett: [00:35:20] Okay. [00:35:21] Christina: [00:35:21] actually, probably Dan Harmon too, because of Rick and Morty and other stuff. [00:35:24] But I mean, they did, they did pretty well. It lasted way than anybody thought that it would happen. And it maintained, I think for like, yeah, that last season is not the best, but it it’s pretty good. But, um, Chuck is a great show. Um, [00:35:38] Brett: [00:35:38] I [00:35:39] Christina: [00:35:39] you know, who, created Chuck, [00:35:40] Brett: [00:35:40] know who created a chart? [00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] Josh Schwartz and, uh, and, and you know what Josh Schwartz Creek. [00:35:47] Brett: [00:35:47] No. [00:35:49] Christina: [00:35:49] Doc and gossip girl. [00:35:52] Brett: [00:35:52] Oh, suddenly don’t care. [00:35:56] Christina: [00:35:56] I know. I just, I it funny because you really liked [00:36:00] shuck and like, I think that’s the, I just think it’s like shows the talents of like a good show runner or show creator [00:36:04] that he could have, [00:36:06] Brett: [00:36:06] To be fair. I enjoyed season one of the OSI. I fell off the, [00:36:12] the, uh, the train, the wet, no, I fell off the train, uh, after season one, but it was a good show. [00:36:20] I’m not, I’m not dissing the OSI. [00:36:22] Christina: [00:36:22] no, no gossip girl is not, [00:36:23] Brett: [00:36:23] Oh, [00:36:24] there are some characters show up on Chuck and I was like, okay. Yeah, you recognize her from the OSI and yeah, that makes sense. [00:36:31] Now. [00:36:32] Christina: [00:36:32] Yeah. Yeah. Um, [00:36:34] but, uh, [00:36:35] Brett: [00:36:35] Oh, but, but I, it took me a second to put together that Sarah Walker, like the lead female and the show is the, uh, ha ha Handmaid’s tale, a blonde woman that, yeah, it’s weird. It’s, it’s a weird juxtaposition. [00:36:52] Christina: [00:36:52] It is, isn’t it like when you see people in like those different things? Totally. Yeah. [00:36:57] Brett: [00:36:57] Yeah. [00:36:58] Anyway. [00:37:00] Um, yeah. So max stock is virtual again this year at, well, I guess they’re going to do part, they’re going to have like 60 people allowed to attend in person, but I’m probably not going to 60 people. If it were these 60 people that I really [00:37:19] wanted to see it maxed out. [00:37:21] Christina: [00:37:21] that you wanted to see, then you would go. [00:37:23] Brett: [00:37:23] Yeah, because to be fair, like there, there’s probably 30 to 40 people that really make max stock awesome for me, uh, that I would travel to see any time, uh, [00:37:36] Christina: [00:37:36] Should I go like, like reversible, [00:37:39] Brett: [00:37:39] Well, I think it’s free. I think don’t hold me to this, but I’m pretty sure you can get a virtual pass and attend talks for free. And they had this Jitsi meet, uh, things set up and the whole 3d lounge with like 3d sound where you can walk around and like conversations get [00:38:00] louder, the closer you get to them. [00:38:01] And you can like pull people off in the corners and it’s really fun. Yeah, you should. So anyway, I’m I, he, he asked me if I wanted to speak and I wasn’t sure because it, I have a month to prep and I didn’t know what I would talk about. And he’s like, well, if you were open to it, you could talk about marked. [00:38:20] And my brain immediately said, I could talk about bunch and I could spend it’s they’re just 20 minute talks this time around, I can easily spend 20 minutes, 20 minutes obsessing about bunch. [00:38:35] Christina: [00:38:35] No, I think that’d be great. I mean, there were so many avenues you could talk about bunch about, like, you could talk about so many things about like just the app and the things you’re doing with it. You could also talk about like developing it on the M one and like the different ways that it works against different architectures and, and like there’s all kinds [00:38:49] of. [00:38:50] Brett: [00:38:50] Yeah. Yeah. Um, um, I’m gonna, I’m going to do a prerecorded 20 minute talk and then a Q and a, and it’s gonna be, um, I’m really looking forward to it. I [00:39:00] love talking about blanche. I’ve been on like three different podcasts, basically, just to talk about bunch, which I don’t make any money. But it’s such a labor of love for me. [00:39:09] I love bunch [00:39:11] Christina: [00:39:11] It’s bunshaft.com. Right? [00:39:13] Brett: [00:39:13] punch bunch app.co. [00:39:15] Christina: [00:39:15] Okay. [00:39:16] Brett: [00:39:16] I went for the.co to be trendy, uh, at all like super cool for like 2000. What would like 2015 maybe? [00:39:27] Christina: [00:39:27] Yeah. [00:39:28] Brett: [00:39:28] Yeah. [00:39:28] Christina: [00:39:28] See, now, now, now the new thing would be like bunshaft.dev or.io or something. [00:39:33] Brett: [00:39:33] Um, at work, we’re building out like I’m building out this Jekyll based, uh, uh, content platform for Oracle and, uh, It colloquially colloquially colloquially. [00:39:48] They, [00:39:49] Christina: [00:39:49] I don’t know how to say. [00:39:50] Brett: [00:39:50] they refer to developer.oracle as Devo. So when they registered a domain for this new [00:40:00] platform that they registered devo.build X. If you don’t know if you’re not in the loop, what it actually says is divo.build. [00:40:11] And so I sent around pictures of like Divo and like the whippet, uh, uh, cover with like the red hats and everything. And I not sure are, are very international team, all understood what I was pointing out. Uh, but apparently we’re, we’re rolling. We’re going to be divo.build. [00:40:37] Christina: [00:40:37] that’s not bad. I, uh, I own, uh, christina.dev, advocates.dev, I was supposed to give to Microsoft BI and I [00:40:47] never did. [00:40:49] Brett: [00:40:49] You should, You should, definitely charge for that. [00:40:52] Christina: [00:40:52] I mean, I will, if I, if I, if I need to, I also own failed.dev, um, which I haven’t done anything [00:40:58] with, but is great. [00:40:59] Brett: [00:40:59] Oh, [00:41:00] you should register developers, developers, developers that dev sell that to Microsoft. [00:41:07] Christina: [00:41:07] uh, they Don’t they don’t like to buy domains. Um, anymore, unfortunately, um, because somebody owned like of the, uh, of the Andes owned, like build conference.com and like to sell it to them. And they were like, we don’t buy them anymore. own, yeah. What do I, um, oh, I own shit. poster.dev girls can.dev failed.dev comp.dev. [00:41:34] Uh, [00:41:34] that’s just an idea [00:41:36] Brett: [00:41:36] Don’t don’t dev domains costs like 30 bucks a year. [00:41:40] Christina: [00:41:40] Something like that. [00:41:41] Brett: [00:41:41] That’s quite an investment [00:41:42] you’re making. [00:41:43] Christina: [00:41:43] I P I always forget about it. christina.dev is like a hundred bucks a year, [00:41:47] Brett: [00:41:47] Wow, [00:41:48] Christina: [00:41:48] but it’s christina.dev. [00:41:50] Brett: [00:41:50] sure. Sure. [00:41:51] Christina: [00:41:51] So, [00:41:51] I mean, I don’t want some other bitch to have it. So like, that’s always my thing, like, some other bitch has christina.cloud and that like makes me [00:42:00] so angry. [00:42:01] Um, Actually, no, I might have christina.cloud. Some other bits has christina.io. I have christina.cloud. Yeah. Good, good call. Um, this bitch, Christina. Um, [00:42:11] yeah, so [00:42:12] Brett: [00:42:12] Speaking of bitches having money. [00:42:15] Christina: [00:42:15] yes, [00:42:17] Brett: [00:42:17] Rihanna is now a billionaire. [00:42:19] Christina: [00:42:19] know. Fuck. Yeah, I love it [00:42:21] bitch. But I have my money. [00:42:22] Brett: [00:42:22] That is, that is very, like, I expect all pop stars. I expect all pop stars to be millionaires. Like that’s a given. [00:42:32] Christina: [00:42:32] 100% billionaire. This is what happens when like you have a very, very successful partnership with LVMH. Makeup is like in beauty. Beauty in general a fucking like massive industry. I mean, we learned that from the Kardashians, [00:42:49] like Kylie has [00:42:52] Brett: [00:42:52] learned nothing from the [00:42:53] Kardashians. [00:42:54] Christina: [00:42:54] Okay. Well, I learned much money there is in beauty. [00:42:58] When, when Kylie’s lip [00:43:00] kits made her a billionaire before she turned 20. And I was like, what? I mean? And then they debated that and they’re like, oh, maybe she’s not, but she doesn’t know. Now I think that, that she is. And, and at this point I remember who it was. Um, I think it was Estee Lauder. Somebody bought a huge proportion of Kylie beauty. [00:43:16] I don’t know. Anyway. They, they made money on that stuff, but yeah, Rihanna being a billionaire. I mean, I gotta say, I think that, um, I think it was either Jessica Bell or the new Gawker who had like the headline who was like the only person billionaire. [00:43:31] Brett: [00:43:31] Yeah. [00:43:31] Christina: [00:43:31] I was like, yeah, you know what? I agree. [00:43:37] Brett: [00:43:37] Yeah, it does. It, it doesn’t upset. [00:43:39] Christina: [00:43:39] Doesn’t upset me at All Also the stuff that she’s done, like with, with Fenty beauty and like both with her makeup and also with her laundry and stuff is really cool because it’s been inclusive, like from the beginning. And it targets that get big attention from these big brands and big things. [00:43:57] Like people who have dark skin color, like, like her, her [00:44:00] foundations is famous for having, like, they have like 36 different shades or some shit. And like actually. They probably don’t have one that’s light enough for me. which is completely fine because there are a million beauty companies out there who do have shades light enough for me. [00:44:13] So I don’t need that, but people who need darker shades have to like deal with like bad makeup jobs and like not having stuff that this, their skin tone don’t have those options. Fenty beauty does. And the same thing with like, with her lingerie, like, it goes way up in the plus sizes, which lingerie brands like stop at a certain size, both for like breast size and for, you know, like, like Kip size you know, that puts a whole bunch of people again, something that I had an issue with, but like, it’s not, you know, it’s not about me. [00:44:47] Like, I, I can recognize like, I’m, I’m in a very privileged position in that. Um, though like, It’s hard for me to find things that fit the way I want some times, because if you’re too big or too small, it always sucks. [00:45:00] Usually how it works is that they will make accommodations for the person who’s too small, they won’t for anybody who’s even slightly larger. [00:45:08] So like, I’m happy for Rihanna, man. Like, You go like seeing her on the Forbes list and the, the, the, um, the way that Forbes does, their, their list is interesting. Like the way that they try to confirm it, like they want a bunch of data. Like, I think this was why Kylie was like kicked off billionaire list or something because they didn’t have the receipts. [00:45:29] And, and it’s, it’s like, who knows how accurate it is. They actually want like a lot of stuff. Like they, they, they seem to put more into like their evaluation of, are you a billionaire or not then like the IRS does, because like Donald Trump, Donald Trump, like famously got like very upset. If they like didn’t give him the proper net worth amount. [00:45:48] like [00:45:49] Brett: [00:45:49] All right. [00:45:50] Christina: [00:45:50] many, many correspondence with them about like sure he was [00:45:53] included, but [00:45:55] Brett: [00:45:55] Yeah. That makes sense. Um, [00:45:57] is, [00:45:57] Christina: [00:45:57] billion. [00:45:59] Brett: [00:45:59] is, [00:46:00] is Taylor a billionaire? [00:46:01] Christina: [00:46:01] She’s not, [00:46:03] Brett: [00:46:03] That’s amazing. [00:46:04] Christina: [00:46:04] Yeah, well, but see, she doesn’t do, um, the, the, the merchant this way, [00:46:10] Brett: [00:46:10] Yeah, [00:46:11] Christina: [00:46:11] she doesn’t have the [00:46:11] beauty brand. [00:46:12] Brett: [00:46:12] she’s not hustling. She doesn’t have side [00:46:14] hustles. [00:46:15] Christina: [00:46:15] right. Not, not in the way that she could make that kind of big money. Right. Like if she, like, if Taylor were to want to do a beauty brand, She could be a billionaire, no problem. [00:46:24] And she wouldn’t even have to do anything, but license her name and she would be a billionaire, but, um, but she doesn’t, um, she bought actually, it’s an interesting thing to think about if she’d bought big machine records. I don’t know if she had the cash for it or not. don’t know if that asset would have given her like the valued it closer or not. [00:46:46] That’s an interesting [00:46:47] question. [00:46:48] Brett: [00:46:48] Speaking of Taylor and, and work with me on this track with me on this. How did you feel about the end of Loki? [00:46:56] Christina: [00:46:56] Oh, um, [00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] You see how I [00:46:58] got there? [00:46:59] Christina: [00:46:59] yeah. [00:47:00] Yeah, I totally, I liked it. Uh, I thought that it was one of the, Okay. [00:47:06] Here’s how I thought about it. It was the weakest episode of the series, I think has been the same. It was the same way I felt about, um, uh, One division and, um, about a winter soldier, which I didn’t like, but I loved one division and that, like, they haven’t quite nailed the finales that they haven’t quite figured out how to do that stuff. [00:47:27] But, um, although I liked the finale better than one divisions, but I really did like how they like open it up for what the next season is going to be. And like that kind of cliffhanger, like I thought that was [00:47:37] really. [00:47:38] Brett: [00:47:38] Yeah. I’m, I’m not a big fan of multiple, the multi-verse multiple timelines. Like it’s too. The plackets too. Uh, they tend to do a good job with it. Uh, I, I’m not overly frightened that it’s going to go haywire, but you know, what I’m mourning is the loss of [00:48:00] shows like Jessica Jones and the Punisher and Daredevil like those were. [00:48:04] So I love those shows and we’re never going to see that stuff again. [00:48:09] Christina: [00:48:09] No, we’re not, no, we’re not. It’s it’s, it’s so funny you say that. Cause I do, um, do bit Twitter spaces on Saturdays with, um, some other nerds talking about Marvel stuff. At least when the Marvel stuff is like airing and I’ve made that exact same point [00:48:23] Brett: [00:48:23] Yeah. [00:48:23] Christina: [00:48:23] made because Disney will never allow it. [00:48:26] Like, I was actually shocked that they let, um, Juan division get as dark as they did. [00:48:30] Brett: [00:48:30] Yeah. [00:48:31] Christina: [00:48:31] Um, [00:48:32] Brett: [00:48:32] And still nowhere [00:48:33] near like Jessica Jones. [00:48:35] Christina: [00:48:35] not even remotely close, like [00:48:36] Brett: [00:48:36] Luke cage. Yeah. [00:48:38] Christina: [00:48:38] Like, like Jessica Jones is like sexual assault. Like it [00:48:41] Brett: [00:48:41] Yeah. [00:48:42] Christina: [00:48:42] you know, like it is trauma, right? [00:48:44] Brett: [00:48:44] Well, and Punisher Yeah. [00:48:46] Christina: [00:48:46] Yeah. But like, like, like, like the, like the 10th doctor or like, like the best doctor, you know, like, and doctor who like is a freaking monster and Jessica Jones, like there’s a lot there. [00:48:55] Like, it’s, it’s a, it’s a lot. Um, um, [00:49:00] one division like that. Very Well, and probably like, as hardcore as we could expect to see on a Disney thing and low-key as well, there was some stuff where they, like, it was more adult than I expected, I have felt the exact same way. I was like, yeah, it sucks that we will never again get like an R-rated interpretation of any of the Marvel stuff, which sucks because Jessica Jones and Punisher. [00:49:23] and stuff were like, we’re really good. [00:49:25] Brett: [00:49:25] Yeah. Everything except for iron fist. [00:49:27] Christina: [00:49:27] Oh, iron fist. [00:49:28] was, yeah, that was trash. [00:49:31] Brett: [00:49:31] Okay. I feel like we’ve come to the end of the episode. [00:49:35] Christina: [00:49:35] I think so. I think so [00:49:36] Brett: [00:49:36] It was a, it was a good a checkered. We didn’t get too deep into like drugs or what did we do last week? Last week? Got weird. [00:49:46] Christina: [00:49:46] no last week was like, was like a therapy session for you freaking out about your [00:49:49] job? [00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] Which, Which, I, like, as soon as we posted it, I was like, oh no, I’m going to get fired now [00:49:56] Christina: [00:49:56] Nope. [00:49:57] Brett: [00:49:57] I didn’t get fired. [00:49:58] Christina: [00:49:58] You didn’t get fired. [00:49:59] Brett: [00:49:59] I [00:50:00] didn’t get reported to the higher ups. I know there are people at Oracle that listened to this podcast to low or a goal people. I love you guys. Um, but no one, no one turned me in. So. [00:50:11] Christina: [00:50:11] No, and you didn’t say anything wrong. And if anything, like I was the one who would have been like. Put on a list of like, do not recruit this person because she’s telling him not to worry about working because, you know, of how slow stuff works. But I was just like, look, I, I, I know how this works. I know you’re freaking out. [00:50:28] You’re going to be fine. You’re going to get it working. Um, and, and I’m glad that you got the demos working and, um, and the lab working. So this is good stuff and it, it, uh, debuts next [00:50:39] week. [00:50:40] Brett: [00:50:40] Um, the lab will run on August 11th and I will be taking August 16th and 17th off from the day job as, uh, as a reward. No, but I also have other shit I have to do so [00:50:55] Christina: [00:50:55] Nice. Well, that’s actually great. That means like you don’t like [00:51:00] you like get to see it launch and then you’re like, ah, I get to peace out a week [00:51:03] later. [00:51:04] Brett: [00:51:04] Yeah. Yeah. Um, and depending on how things go, um, I might stick you with, uh, with a really fun, uh, substitute cohost we’ll we’ll [00:51:13] see, [00:51:13] Christina: [00:51:13] me this. You’re just sending this to me. Surprise. This works out. I’m excited about it. I have no idea who it is, but I’m [00:51:18] excited. [00:51:18] Brett: [00:51:18] you will get to talk about the bachelor [00:51:21] Christina: [00:51:21] Oh. [00:51:23] Brett: [00:51:23] in a way that you could never talk to me about the bachelor. [00:51:27] Christina: [00:51:27] Which is to say, I can talk about the bath. [00:51:30] Brett: [00:51:30] Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. All [00:51:33] right. [00:51:34] Christina: [00:51:34] There’s there’s, a new one. Uh, I haven’t watched it yet, but I’m, I’m dying to it’s on HBO max called like fuckboy island, which, which looks great. [00:51:44] Brett: [00:51:44] Okay. [00:51:45] Christina: [00:51:45] of the, of, of the bachelor. And so I’m [00:51:46] like very excited about it. [00:51:49] Brett: [00:51:49] All right. I will, uh, I will, I will hook you up with, uh, with another play date. [00:51:53] Christina: [00:51:53] Fantastic. [00:51:55] Brett: [00:51:55] All right. Well, Christina, I you’ve been up since midnight. You really [00:52:00] should get some sleep. [00:52:01] Christina: [00:52:01] All right. Get some sleep, Brett, have a great day. Have a great weekend. [00:52:04] Brett: [00:52:04] You too.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 247 Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]I think I’ll do the intro this week. [00:00:06]Christina: [00:00:06] I like that idea. [00:00:07]Brett: [00:00:07] You are listening to Overtired I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren, Christina, how are you [00:00:14]Christina: [00:00:14] I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. It is early for me. It’s like six 30 in the morning. However, I’ve been awake since, I don’t know, like it’s either two or 3:00 AM, so, um, well, not really. So I kind of like took a nap late that sort of went to like going to bed really early and then my body woke up and then I was like, well, I know I have to be up to do the podcast. [00:00:42] And I have a bunch of other stuff I need to do today. So am I going to be able to get any sleep or not? I wasn’t really sure. And then I wanted like taking my meds at like 5:00 AM. So kind of on purpose? [00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] Yeah. Okay. I I’ve done that. I’ve done that many times. [00:00:57]Christina: [00:00:57] Yeah, I’m actually way more, [00:01:00] I’m not a morning person. Um, however, like I like, you know, the, the evenings much more I’m, I’m a night owl. I’d like to stay up late, whatever. However, if I can actually wake up early and get started, I’m so much more productive for the entire day. So it’s one of these weird things where I’m not a morning person, but I really need to try to force myself into being. [00:01:22] Brett: [00:01:22] I love mornings so much because nobody else is up. I nobody interrupts me. I don’t have to worry about anyone pinging me on slack or giving me a phone call. I just get up. And I just, I usually code in the morning, but I get up at five 30 and my Workday doesn’t usually like start in earnest until 10:00 AM my time because most of the team is in California. [00:01:46] So that’s 8:00 AM their time. Or they’re overseas and they’re like on a completely, like 12 hour off schedule. So I get this nice space from like 5:30 AM till like [00:02:00] nine where it’s just like, just my time to code. I love mornings. And I get up at five 30 and like sometimes, like I set an alarm for five 30, just cause I like consistency, but I, wake up every morning uh, for the last month or so I wake up at 5:26 AM. [00:02:22] Just automatically and I’m just ready to go. And then I shut off my alarm. I like it when my system agrees with my schedule. [00:02:30] Christina: [00:02:30] Yeah. Um, I I’m the person who, unless I’m already up or whatever, I have like four alarms set usually. And then I’ll also hits news. Number of times, it’s one of those things where like, I ha I have a built-in buffer for what time I know I have to actually be up like, so I have like an early time. I’m like, Okay. [00:02:50] well, this is what time I would like to be up, but I know I’m going to hit snooze at least this many times. [00:02:57] And I know that I’m going to in [00:03:00] my own mind, like reset alarms and do other stuff. So let me go ahead and preset alarms for like, I have a bunch of them and then it’d be like, okay, what’s the absolute latest that I can be up. Like, for instance, I had one set. I didn’t need it, but I had one set for six 20 and one set for 5 45. [00:03:17] I had one set for six o’clock. I had one set for six 20, knowing knowing that six 20 was like, okay, that was the absolute latest. You can get up to do this at six 30 [00:03:27] Brett: [00:03:27] Why, why wouldn’t you just set the alarm for the latest. [00:03:31] Christina: [00:03:31] because I, I have this great thought in My, mind. Well, maybe I will actually get up early and be more productive and get something done. Like it’s, it’s aspirational. It’s not realistic. It’s aspirational. And I should be self-aware enough to be like, you’re not going to do this. However, occasionally I surprise myself. [00:03:50] And then sometimes there are times when, like I’m just up at three o’clock in the morning, so I don’t need it anyway. So it’s just. [00:03:57] Brett: [00:03:57] My, my advice that you didn’t ask [00:04:00] for is to just set the alarm for when you have to get up. And if you wake up earlier, great, go with what your body says, but don’t like, I feel like that’s counterproductive to like interrupt your sleep five times [00:04:12] Christina: [00:04:12] it it is part of the reason though that I have to have like a couple of the stages is because I know I will hit snooze at least once. And so I can’t do it for like, this is the time you have to actually get up. [00:04:27] because I have to build in a buffer now, do I need All of the buffers that I built in? [00:04:30] Probably not, but I need like at least two, because if I hit snooze and I really needed to be up at 6:20 and you know, like 6:29, like is going to be too late or whatever, because 10 minutes can make a difference. Like I’m going to have to push back, push it back to an earlier time so I can hit snooze at least once and like find a way to, to put it off. [00:04:52]Brett: [00:04:52] All right. So talk about Christina’s sleep schedule, check. [00:04:56] Christina: [00:04:56] Yep. [00:04:57] Brett: [00:04:57] Um, how’s your, how’s your mental health? [00:04:59][00:05:00] Christina: [00:04:59] It’s not too bad. It’s not too bad. I mean, it’s not like awesome, but it’s not terrible. Um, how’s yours. [00:05:07] Brett: [00:05:07] Oh, actually like for once I have nothing to report things have been normal, productive, happy work has been very frustrating. Um, I, do you want to hear it? [00:05:22] Christina: [00:05:22] Yeah. I was going to say, let’s just look at, that feels like mental health corner. Let’s talk. [00:05:26] Brett: [00:05:26] Yeah. Actually, if anything is mental health for me, it’s work. Um, so w Oracle teamed up with red bull racing and, uh, or like sponsored them. And we’re doing these, I think I’ve talked about this, but we’re doing this like a hands-on lab where people can, uh, the beginner one is you collect F1 race data, and use machine learning to predict the winners of. [00:05:53] Races and like taking into account all of the like tires [00:06:00] and, uh, pit times, and who’s driving all of this. Um, and the lab itself, my only job with this whole project is to write the README that will go on, GitHub that will get people set up and walk them through the lab, which was a daunting task to begin with because I know nothing about machine learning, the whole thing’s done in Jupiter notebooks. [00:06:27] I’m not a Python guy. I’ve never used Jupiter notebooks. Like I had to learn all of this in order to write, or, you know, I had to learn a little… enough to write a reasonable, like how to, um, and that would have been fine. I’ve had this project for like two months now, except the lab wasn’t. Uh, finished until this week. [00:06:53] And even then it wasn’t finished. So I’ve spent the last two weeks trying to [00:07:00] get through like the prerequisites set up, uh, like setting up cloud machines, setting up deployment, building the data science notebooks and everything. One problem after another huge frustration finally got it up and running, uh, walked through the notebooks, ran into problems every step of that way. [00:07:20] Uh, and then ultimately got to the end of the tutorial that had been written like a PowerPoint deck full of slides basically… full of screenshots basically. So I got all the way through it found out it doesn’t resolve. Like you get everything set up and, and you like prep all the data and then nothing like the lab as it’s written, doesn’t do anything. [00:07:45] So I can’t write about it. Then yesterday they decided, oh wait, we can create a custom image that people can just load and run this. So that three weeks of me trying to [00:08:00] deploy the thing completely out the door, I don’t need to write about any of that. The stuff I do need to write about isn’t finished yet. [00:08:07] And the lab is like the original due date on this was Tuesday. And now it’s Thursday, Friday. No. And here’s those but irrelevant. Um, and I have nothing to write. Like I can’t do my job. They’ve already started, uh, posting this on like social media, writing blogs about it and uh, like pimping it. And it’s not there. [00:08:32] Like the lab will not be ready. Um, I’m a little freaked out. It’s very stressed. [00:08:38]Christina: [00:08:38] Okay. So I understand that you’re freaked out. I understand that they’ve already said that it’s coming the, did they like give in the blogs? Did they give like a hard date? Like it’s coming this day? [00:08:49] Brett: [00:08:49] Yeah. They’ve already started taking registrations for it. [00:08:52] Christina: [00:08:52] Okay. All right. So, and, and, but it was supposed to have happen on Tuesday. [00:08:57] Brett: [00:08:57] the actual event doesn’t happen [00:09:00] until August 11th, [00:09:01] Christina: [00:09:01] Oh, [00:09:02] Brett: [00:09:02] but they wanted the, the tutorial written Tuesday so that the panelists could start going through it. And we would have time to do further debugging and refining. So it’s not drop dead due yet. [00:09:18] Christina: [00:09:18] No, no, no. Okay. So, so the 11th, that’s fine. So it would have been good if you’d had on Tuesday, but, um, Sam forgetting that, like you haven’t worked in corporate America for a long time, so, so you don’t understand how fungible a lot of this stuff is because basically you have two weeks. [00:09:33] So if you have this by like, I don’t know, honestly, if you have this by the fourth, if you haven’t even by, by like the sixth, you’re fine. Um, because. Yeah. Okay. You’d be better probably if you had it, like by like Thursday, so you could, if you needed to make changes, you can make them like Friday, but the 11th is a Wednesday, so Yeah. you’re fine. [00:09:56] Brett: [00:09:56] Yeah. Yeah. I keep telling myself that I [00:10:00] also keep telling myself this isn’t my fault. I haven’t necessarily failed. Like I’ve done everything I could. [00:10:07] Christina: [00:10:07] No, you, you got everything you could. [00:10:08] they also, they, they changed like the way that they could do the image and the other stuff. And honestly, you probably ran into some stuff That other people would be running into as well. Right. [00:10:17] Brett: [00:10:17] That was my concern. The whole time is if me with my, my background, like I’m, I’m not a newbie developer. Some of these concepts are new. [00:10:28] Christina: [00:10:28] you’ve set up your fair share of environments, right? Like, Yeah. [00:10:31] Like this is not something that’s new to for you. And, and, um, I mean, honestly, I don’t know what they’re doing. Are they getting to people like a Docker image that they can just kind of, um, [00:10:41] Brett: [00:10:41] so like they have, they call it a stack. Uh, it’s a, it’s a zip file that includes like Terraform scripts that sets up a compartment for you in your, in your cloud, that tenancy, um, and, and sets up the data [00:11:00] science, uh, instance and, uh, bill like gives you a blank Jupiter notebook that then you can log into and, and clone the, the notebook repo. [00:11:12] So it’s not it the way that I did it, it was not a full image. It was basically a Terraform script, [00:11:20] Christina: [00:11:20] Got it. Okay. Well, I mean, but [00:11:22] Brett: [00:11:22] but it will [00:11:22] Christina: [00:11:22] into this, but it will be. [00:11:24] right. Which, which is good. Yeah. I mean, it seems to me and I don’t, I don’t know like how they’re, how they’re doing this. It seems to me like, and, and there’s probably a good reason why you can’t just have a Docker deploy thing because, um, and maybe the Terraform script is, you know, setting up a Docker instance. [00:11:39] I don’t know. And maybe there’s something with the cloud set up that doesn’t allow that I’m not sure I’m not going to, uh, uh, try to do the, I I’m stopping myself from going down a rabbit hole with you there. They’re going to figure out the problem. Um, the only thing I’m going say is like, yeah, you ran into this other people are definitely gonna run into this. [00:11:55] So that’s number one and they had to figure it out because you were going through this [00:12:00] problems. Yeah. They’re going to get it figured out as long as you have it up and that people can ideally, the panelists can test it before the 11th. That’s great. Um, you know, and even then, if there are issues, I mean, you get feedback, you can make changes. [00:12:15] It’s uh, that’s [00:12:18] Brett: [00:12:18] worry. I just worry that we’re asking, like, this is a beginner lab. We’re asking most of the people taking pertinent, we’ll be setting up their first, uh, Oracle cloud infrastructure, uh, account like the free account. This is their first, right? This is their first impression of Oracle’s cloud services. [00:12:41] Christina: [00:12:41] So, so, Okay. [00:12:43] I’m going to frame this for you in a really like, clear way. This is all really good feedback for a post. I I’m not, I’m not even joking like a, that is not your decision or your problem. Like you were tasked with doing a certain thing and, and, and getting it to work a certain way. This is all really good feedback for a post-mortem [00:13:00] for people to look at, because you’re going to figure that out. [00:13:02] Um, realistically it is too late to be able to make any sort of grand scale decision about like what the best way to distribute this would be. And if this was the right model, and if you need something else, but this is also how you learn and how you get feedback. So this is all really good stuff for a post-mortem you’ll figure it out. [00:13:18] You’ll get good insights. The fact that you were running into these things beforehand, cause you were trying, it’s not like sometimes, and I’m not going to say that I’ve ever done this or anything, but you know where like you have a certain amount of time for a project and you don’t really start it until. [00:13:33]Fairly late in the process. And then you run into like blockers and then you’re kind of like, all right, well, this is my fault, but I’m going to try to, you know, BS my way out of it. Like you were giving them feedback, as you were going through this, you were figuring out like what the issues were and you were like, letting people know. [00:13:49] So a none of this is on you. Um, it’s gonna, what’s going to get done is going to get done, but, but be, and I think this is more important even if the result is, as you say, this is [00:14:00] gonna be people’s first impression and it’s not a good one and it’s complicated and you, and they don’t know what to do. [00:14:04] That’s all really good feedback. And sometimes you have to have that feedback from the actual end-users because coming from the people on the team, people don’t listen to that. Like sometimes you have to actually, uh, and I, and I, I putting it this way because I think this is going to happen. But just as a way of framing it, because I say this to people I work with too, sometimes you have to let stuff fail. [00:14:26] Like sometimes you have to let it happen for things to be able to be improved. [00:14:30]Brett: [00:14:30] Okay. I appreciate your feedback. I’m sorry. This conversation got really boring for everyone. [00:14:35] Christina: [00:14:35] No, no, but honestly, I actually think that last bit that I shared, cause I’ve had to come to terms with this before, too, where sometimes you can only do what you can do and sometimes you have to let stuff, if it is going to maybe not work out or not, whatever, like you have to let that happen. [00:14:52] Brett: [00:14:52] See, I I’m used to, like for like 10 years, I’ve been independent where everything is [00:15:00] like entirely responsibility and both good and bad. And I can take like, if something goes wrong, I know who to blame. It’s me. Like everything was under my control. So this is a certain feeling of helplessness. [00:15:14] Christina: [00:15:14] right. Because you’re not in control, you’re not in control. And sometimes, and, and I think this is like maybe the more broad thing, like not just like your specific situation, but there are instances that we all run into where, um, you have, um, like. Sorry, what was I going to say? Where, you know, you need resources, you need help. [00:15:34] You need people to like, convince them like, Hey, this is what I need to actually get this done. And you’re not going to get it unless they actually see that you need it. Cause if you keep pulling miracles out of your ass and making it work, they will never get you what you want ever. [00:15:46] Brett: [00:15:46] setting, setting bad precedent. Do you have to use JIRA? [00:15:49]Christina: [00:15:49] I don’t. We use something else. Uh, which is, I mean, it’s both better and worse. Um, it’s better. Cause it’s not JIRA, but it’s worse because it’s [00:16:00] still a pain in the ass. But no, we don’t use JIRA. [00:16:02] Brett: [00:16:02] I think I’m realizing that my problem isn’t necessarily with JIRA, I think any kind of a ticket based project management system that requires me to like post my status for everyone else. I’m just really bad. Like I worked for agile, uh, w what was agile bits, a [00:16:22] Christina: [00:16:22] Right? one password, [00:16:23] Brett: [00:16:23] and part of the job, everyone on the team, no matter what your position was, was doing customer support and logging into the forums every day and taking as many support requests as you could, like first thing in the morning, and I’m just really bad. [00:16:40]That like logging in and handling other people’s problems. Like I, I do great with my customer support for my own software. People always tell me, I love your support. You’re very responsive. You do a great job. There’s something about like, I have to be truly invested to, to want [00:17:00] to like, to spend my time updating a ticket system instead of just doing the work. [00:17:08] Like it never sits well with me. And I, I, I don’t think JIRA is the problem. I think it’s my attitude toward like [00:17:17] Christina: [00:17:17] No. [00:17:18] Brett: [00:17:18] to do a group, [00:17:20] Christina: [00:17:20] No 100%. Um, yeah, cause I’ve used what I’ve used. Uh, um, what’s not at last year, I’ve used a sauna. [00:17:29] Uh, I’ve used Trello. Uh, I’ve used, um, uh, Azure DevOps. I’ve used, uh, what do we call it as a planner? Which, which is, Microsoft’s like like version of Trello essentially, uh, get hub has some sort of thing that’s kind of similar. [00:17:47] Um, [00:17:47] Brett: [00:17:47] hubs. [00:17:48] Christina: [00:17:48] yeah, I do too. I actually would probably rather, um, use, um, [00:17:54]Brett: [00:17:54] Get hub projects. [00:17:56] Christina: [00:17:56] yeah, exactly. I would probably actually rather use that than an agile dev DevOps, but we use Azure [00:18:00] DevOps boards for a lot of stuff. I would probably rather use projects, but it, it, it is what it is. And I kind of run into the same thing where there are things where like, I have my own lists of my own stuff that I’m doing. [00:18:10] And then I forget to like update the other. I got good. When I was at Mossville anchors, Moda, we used Trello. And ironically I’m saying ironic because I I’m bad at this stuff now. Like I was the one who fought for, at Mashable anyway, for us to use Trello because we didn’t have any sort of, and that was what the newsroom used. [00:18:28] First. We actually tried to use a sauna because that was what the product team used. And, um, it was just, I couldn’t convince like journalists people to get into that mind flow. [00:18:40] Brett: [00:18:40] Trella makes a lot more sense for, for a newsroom, especially. [00:18:45] Christina: [00:18:45] No, it was great. Cause you could drag it around and then each card could have links. And so we would have different like, you know, things like this has been assigned, this is being worked on, this can be grabbed. This is being, this is in edit. This is, you know, scheduled to publish. This has been published, you know, we had different boards and stuff. [00:18:59] And so [00:19:00] we got pretty good with that, but yeah, there were times when, cause I had like my personal board that was often a mess and it was like, Yeah. [00:19:05] cause I had my own list someplace that I didn’t update. So I feel you, and there are things that work now where I’m like, oh right. I need to update my status on this Azure dev ops board. [00:19:14] Um, and I’m just like, yep. Um, I haven’t been great at that, which is why I’m not an ideal PM I guess. [00:19:23] Brett: [00:19:23] Totally meet you there. If you’re ever looking for a really, really good Trello alternative, uh, Mr. Task from the people who make mine, Meiser is a really well thought out. Uh, Kanban, Kanban, Kanban. [00:19:39] Christina: [00:19:39] Yeah. However you. [00:19:40] Brett: [00:19:40] Uh, board at with like full dashboard, you can have multiple projects and a good API. It’s it’s really nice. [00:19:49] I’ve only used it on small teams. I’ve never used it on like a team of 10 or more. So I, I, I don’t know how it holds up. I assume it does. [00:19:58] Christina: [00:19:58] it’s good. Yeah. Um, [00:20:00] [00:19:59] Brett: [00:19:59] I love that you can turn a MindMeister mind mask into a Meiser task task board with one click. [00:20:07]Christina: [00:20:07] yeah, no, that’s nice. No, see That’s super good. yeah. I, um, I love Air table. We used to use air table and then we had to stop and then we had to stop using it. But I love air table. [00:20:17] Brett: [00:20:17] table’s awesome. [00:20:18] Christina: [00:20:18] Air table is really good. [00:20:20] Brett: [00:20:20] Yeah. So you want to completely change the subject? [00:20:23] Christina: [00:20:23] 100%. [00:20:24] Brett: [00:20:24] It was my birthday last week. [00:20:26] Christina: [00:20:26] I know it was [00:20:27] Brett: [00:20:27] but. [00:20:28] Christina: [00:20:28] happy birthday. [00:20:29] Brett: [00:20:29] Thank you for my birthday. I thought, you know what it’s been, uh, how, how old am I? 40? It’s been over 20 years since I’ve tried smoking pot. And so I, I got some pot, some weed, some grass as the kids say in 1965. [00:20:51] Um, [00:20:51] Christina: [00:20:51] what kids, kids today are like a CBD, you know, they’re like edibles. They’re like, yeah. [00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Yeah. So friends brought both [00:21:00] a vape pen and some actual, like a one hitter. And I chose to go with the, I missed the feeling of smoke in my lungs. So I went with the good old fashioned spark I, okay. So back in high school, I tried pot a few times and I had these really bad experiences with like instant vertigo. [00:21:21] And like, I would just end up on a couch, unable to think feeling crappy. And I, I [00:21:29] Christina: [00:21:29] And you’re like, and you’re, you’re like, I hate this. I’m going straight to heroin. [00:21:33] Brett: [00:21:33] pretty much. Well, I went through like speed and Coke and then decided to go for like downers. But, um, I was really hoping like I’ve I’ve for the last 20 years, I’ve listened to people talk about just like relaxing and opening your mind and just like the fun of being stoned. And I thought maybe it’ll be different now. [00:21:52] So I had my birthday party a week late because of my oral surgery. Um, and, and so it [00:22:00] was just this week or like this last weekend I tried, it had the exact same experience as high school. It was. Awful. Like, I [00:22:09] Christina: [00:22:09] Oh, no. [00:22:10] Brett: [00:22:10] it. Like my, my, I couldn’t, I couldn’t think I couldn’t follow a conversation for more than five seconds. [00:22:16] And I was constantly trying to like piece together what had just happened in the last 30 seconds to an extent where like, I wasn’t freaked out. I didn’t get anxious, but it was very frustrating. And I ended up just sitting on the couch and petting my, my dog because it was the only, I didn’t have to follow my dog’s conversation. [00:22:37] I had to leave the party because it was so it was awful. So are, I am not becoming a pot smoker as much as the idea of it appeals to me, it apparently won’t work for me. [00:22:50]Christina: [00:22:50] I’m so disappointed to hear That So I used to, so in college, I guess, which was really the first time I ever actively tried smoking pot, I think I [00:23:00] tried a few times in high school and like wasn’t quite successful. Um, I was also more into like, Drinking then, um, I got anxious. Like I didn’t like it. And so I didn’t smoke very much for very often. [00:23:13] Um, and then Cocaine never did anything for me, sadly, because I know I blamed, I blamed the Dexedrine. I know that’s what I’ve heard. And I’ve, I’ve tried a number of times and it does literally has no impact, which is shitty because I would love it, I think. Um, [00:23:31] Brett: [00:23:31] think the DEXA drain, like I haven’t done, I stopped doing cocaine long before I ever got treated for ADHD. I wonder [00:23:37] Christina: [00:23:37] I think it was the DEXA [00:23:38] Brett: [00:23:38] interacts differently with stimulants other stimulants. [00:23:41] Christina: [00:23:41] Yeah. I think that had to be what it was. Um, there were a couple of times when I took NoDoz in high school and one’s in college and it like fused with my DEXA drain. And I think that the reaction was probably either what full on speed would have been like or cocaine. [00:23:57] Um, and it was great. It was [00:24:00] terrifying, uh, especially the first time. Fucking terrifying, but it was also kind of great, but no. Um, so, so anyway though, um, smoking weed doesn’t do much for me, however edible I really enjoy. [00:24:13] Brett: [00:24:13] Huh? Yeah. The reaction I had feels like a, an allergy. I don’t think any form of, of THC is going to agree with my system. And it was a bad enough experience that I’m not [00:24:27] Christina: [00:24:27] no. And I, yeah, I, I didn’t recommend that. I’m just saying I edibles have been the thing that I enjoy and then like, you can have different concentrations, like some that are more CBD. Some they’re more THC, some that are more like this or that. I don’t know all the different things. Um, and [00:24:42] Brett: [00:24:42] this reaction I had, by the way, I took two hits. Like it, it like, I, it was nothing. I took two, like leisurely hits off a one hitter. [00:24:54] Christina: [00:24:54] no. So that seems like that is definitely going to be like an allergy of some sort, if it was that quick. [00:25:00] [00:24:59] Brett: [00:24:59] Fucking stupid system. I, I hate my system. I’m allergic to all drugs. Like, uh, that’s like, that’s how they describe, uh, addictive personalities. Like I have very strong reactions to any, any mind altering mood altering drug, uh, affects me more strongly than other people. Uh, and I have to assume that like this THC reaction is just like what everyone else gets from weed, but just to an extreme, like, to an unbearable, extreme heroin and cocaine, like, like since like, since I’ve been treated for ADHD, I have not done any drugs. [00:25:41] I, I drank for a while. Uh, you know, like alcohol and stimulants, whatever. But, uh, back then, like heroin and cocaine was an amazing mixture. I love that. So that’s actually, how I got into heroin was I was looking for a way to enhance my [00:26:00] cocaine addiction. And then, and then heroin became my main squeeze for awhile for a few years. [00:26:07] Christina: [00:26:07] uh, that’s kind of horrifying. Don’t don’t do that kids. [00:26:11] Brett: [00:26:11] Oh yeah. No, I don’t recommend it to anyone. It’s a great way to die. If you’re looking to die, mix up, mix up a speed ball. [00:26:18] Christina: [00:26:18] Yeah. I was going to say it isn’t a thing now that kills people. Like don’t like it doesn’t shit. Get laced with fentanyl. [00:26:24] Brett: [00:26:24] God. Yeah. You can’t buy pure heroin anymore. Like, everything is cut with some amount of fentanyl. [00:26:31] Christina: [00:26:31] Yeah. And then that’s basically what, like, like that’s how Demi Lovato, like that’s how they almost died. [00:26:36] Brett: [00:26:36] When I was, I was in, uh, Toronto for, uh, I don’t even remember why, but it was during my heroin addiction and all that. These reports started coming in in Toronto of just mass overdoses. Like people were dying left and right. And it was the first time that I had [00:27:00] seen fentanyl hit the streets. This would have been like 2000, maybe [00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] Yeah. [00:27:06] Brett: [00:27:06] 2001. [00:27:07] And like, it had it, I had just never seen this happen before. And all of a sudden this what, at the time they were just calling it like too pure. They didn’t realize that it was being cut with something that was 10 times stronger than heroin. Um, yeah, that got that. That was right before I got completely clean, but it’s a different game now for sure. [00:27:31] Christina: [00:27:31] yeah. [00:27:31] no. And I think the problem is, I mean, this is how, like a number of people have like wound up dying because they don’t know. And, and then it, you know, like they don’t know what the concentration is or other stuff. And then like, I think, I think it’s happening with people’s like ecstasy pills and stuff too, which can be really scary. [00:27:47] So. [00:27:47] Brett: [00:27:47] if you’re used to, if you’re used to banging a 20, like, you know how much you can do and you know how much you can safely do and, and what will get you to where you want to be, [00:28:00] you assume that’s going to keep going. And when all of a sudden the same amount is fatal, that’s just not fair. Like if you’re going to cut it with something that’s strong, like cut it with some baby powder to give people a chance. [00:28:15]Christina: [00:28:15] Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:18] Brett: [00:28:18] I think I’ve, I think I’ve done. I think I’ve done a fair amount of baby powder in my life. That’s got to be bad for you. Isn’t talcum powder full of like, as best this or [00:28:27] Christina: [00:28:27] Yeah. I was going to say, I’m pretty sure that like, there are, that it’s like very bad to, to inhale baby power powder. Yeah. [00:28:35] Brett: [00:28:35] Oh, I I’m talking about injecting, [00:28:37] Christina: [00:28:37] Well, [00:28:38] Brett: [00:28:38] which I assume isn’t a lot better. [00:28:41] Christina: [00:28:41] I mean, I, it’s probably worse. It’s probably equally bad. I don’t know. It’s not good regardless, right? Yeah. I think there’s like led or like asbestos or something in that. [00:28:49] Yeah. It’s like toxic on some level. You’re definitely not supposed to, to ingest it somehow anyway. [00:28:55] Brett: [00:28:55] So we’ve hit JIRA and we’ve hit heroine. Uh, neither of which were on our [00:29:00] list. How are we doing? Does this episode feel like it’s really coming together? [00:29:04] Christina: [00:29:04] it honestly does feel like it’s really coming together. I really liked the, the, the drug, um, um, like, uh, [00:29:10] Brett: [00:29:10] Tangent, [00:29:11] Christina: [00:29:11] yes, I was, I was looking, I was thinking of a different word than sort of the D but, uh, uh, tangent, uh, digression. I’m not even sure, but, but a tangent is equally good. So yes, I enjoy the drug tangent. [00:29:24] That was actually pretty classic overtired stuff. Sponsor: Upstart [00:29:27] [00:29:27]Brett: [00:29:27] Our first sponsor today is Upstart. If you dread looking at your credit card statements, you’re not alone. Debt can feel crippling, but upstart can help you on your path to financial freedom. Upstart is the fast and easy way to pay off your debt with a personal loan, all online, whether it’s paying off credit cards, consolidating high interest debt, or funding, personal expenses. [00:29:49] Over half a million people have used Upstart to get a simple fixed monthly payment. 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And I also paid to basically like, get like to the front of the line so that I could, um, you know, like get access to it earlier. [00:31:49] But it basically, it is a, like, it’s in a lot of ways. It is basically just like a, like, but for the next generation, [00:31:58] Brett: [00:31:58] Wow. I haven’t used [00:32:00] you say ADM. I say Adam, is that it? Can I say Adam? [00:32:03] Christina: [00:32:03] you can say, Adam, I say ADM, but you can say Adam, um, any of those things, it’s basically kind of like, I think it’s, it’s built on matrix, but the whole idea would be that it has all of your different chat services in one interface. So instead of having to have a jillion different apps, you can have them all federated. [00:32:18] So you could have slack, you could have WhatsApp, you could have, you know, iMessage, you could have [00:32:22] Brett: [00:32:22] I’ve seen this before or like I saw a preview. Yeah. I did not sign up for that beta, but, um, there was another one that was an all in one chat thing. It was like, you can install it through brew cask. I CA I didn’t like it. It didn’t it. I prefer, I ended up preferring just having multiple apps going. It was easier. [00:32:47] Christina: [00:32:47] Yeah. So this is, this is like a new, um, thing and I’m, I’m, uh, I P like I said, I paid for it. Um, and I know the guy who he’s kind of like, uh, he’s the co-founder, [00:33:00] um, Eric, uh, uh, make a Kowski he, the pebble smartwatch, if you remember that. [00:33:08] Brett: [00:33:08] Yeah. [00:33:09] Christina: [00:33:09] Yes, he’s a great guy. And, and this was kind of like his side project, and now he’s kind of doing it. [00:33:13] And So I’m, I’m super excited to try it out, but I they’re doing like personal onboarding and mine was scheduled like 8:00 AM today. And I just was like, I don’t want to do it, so I’m not. Um, but I, uh, I’ll do it in two weeks, but I’m excited about it because it’s going to be a pretty cool service. I think so [00:33:37] Brett: [00:33:37] So you put a link in, in our, our Quip and I did not have Firefox running. And for some reason, every time I clicked it, it opened. I turn [00:33:47]Christina: [00:33:47] weird. [00:33:49] Brett: [00:33:49] Yeah. It’s probably something to do with choosy. Choosy must be like Noah nothing’s running. So, oh, because it’s looking for the best just running and I have I [00:34:00] term as a possible [00:34:01] Christina: [00:34:01] that have as possible option. Yep. [00:34:03] Brett: [00:34:03] Yup. Okay. Did I tell you about, I’m sorry, I’m changing the subject mildly. Um, did I tell you about the, uh, experience I had with my zoom redirects? [00:34:14] Christina: [00:34:14] No. [00:34:15] Brett: [00:34:15] I, I had, uh, choosy watching for zoom links and instead of opening them first in the browser, and then in zoom, I was just having them, them straight to zoom. [00:34:27] So I didn’t have any open browser tabs. Except when I started working at Oracle, they use SSO to sign into zoom. [00:34:37] Christina: [00:34:37] Right. So [00:34:38] that doesn’t work anymore because it has to, you have to go through the browser [00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] right. And I, I could not figure out why my zoom room meetings, like I couldn’t get into my Oracle zoom meetings and I ended [00:34:51] Christina: [00:34:51] going on? And you’re like, oh, because I’m suppressing this login, [00:34:54] Brett: [00:34:54] well. Yeah. I realized that while tech support was screen-sharing and controlling my machine, I’m like, [00:35:00] hold on. I think I just figured out what’s going on. Speaking of I last week, I got a, uh, like I run this, my computer, my personal, yeah. [00:35:10] Mac mini is registered as a work machine. Uh, which means they control a certain amount of blood. [00:35:17] Christina: [00:35:17] Right. If they’ve got like an MDM monitor, whatever. [00:35:20] Brett: [00:35:20] Right. So I got an, a push notification that said there was a required, uh, transition. I don’t remember what the new one was called, but they were, uh, they pushed a profile. took over my machine changed. My machine name, changed my host name, added permissions for them to remote wipe my sheen and filter all my network traffic. [00:35:46] Even when I wasn’t on the VPN. Um, it was extremely invasive. And as a result, my computer has been cleansed of everything except for Cisco, any connect, which I need [00:36:00] to get to JIRA. Um, and I’m just waiting to see how long it takes for it to tell me I can’t use this machine anymore and be forced to only use my, my work laptop, which they’re welcome to install anything I want. [00:36:17] Christina: [00:36:17] Totally because they own it. Yeah. [00:36:18] Um, my hope and, and I don’t know, I guess it depends so the hour, and I have to say here they are not invasive at least, but they do for our personal machines. So our machines can be marked as like personal or, um, like, you know, company and the ones that are company oriented. [00:36:36] At least the windows machines. They can definitely do more stuff on the profile. And like, they like have like a software catalog and there’s more stuff that can be done, but on like my personal Mac, there is an MDM on it so that I can access company resources. But I think really the only thing that it requires is that I have, um, encryption on. [00:36:58] And a couple of other things and they do [00:37:00] make me, they have like required me to like, you know, uh, enable, I think they have a copy of my, you know, encryption key or whatever, which fine. Um, Well, I can change it, you know? I mean, like it wouldn’t, it is what it is. Um, like, like my, my, my, my, um, file vaults or whatever, but, um, you know, and I, I guess they could remotely wipe it if they needed to. [00:37:23] I’m not actually, I’m not even sure on the personal ones that they could, but anyway, it’s not that bad, but the way that it works is that I guess like the MDM has to make contact every so often. I think it’s like every 30 days to know, is this still in compliance or not? And so that would, that would be the, I guess, how long you would have before they would then be able to check. [00:37:45] But I don’t know what, what things they look at beyond that, [00:37:48] Brett: [00:37:48] Well, and I also don’t know what the penalty is. For, uh, for not being compliant. I like, I would rather just unregister my machine as a work machine [00:38:00] because there’s actually other than VPN access. There’s nothing I need my machine registered for. Uh, anything that I need to do that requires a registered computer I can do from my work laptop. [00:38:14] So I registered it to be nice, [00:38:17] Christina: [00:38:17] You registered it to be nice, but [00:38:18] yeah. but I mean, otherwise, like you’re not going to need anything. And I mean, I would think too worst case. This would be one of those things where if it were me, I would just like RDP into my work laptop from my Mac mini, if I needed to, to access something, honestly, [00:38:34] Brett: [00:38:34] Yeah. Yup. That’s the plan except RDP gets really hard if either machine’s on VPN fun stuff. Anyway, anyway, back [00:38:43] Christina: [00:38:43] there are probably work arounds for that, but, but be it back to interesting things. Yeah. [00:38:46] Brett: [00:38:46] What, uh, tell me about you. I saw on Twitter that you ordered a machine that got, uh, Harold, Chris, Harold really, uh, uh, peaked his interest, but I don’t, I don’t know what’s happening. [00:38:57] What’s happening. [00:38:58] Christina: [00:38:58] Okay. So it is, I don’t [00:39:00] have it yet, but I pre-ordered, it I’ve put a hundred dollars down and it’s supposed to ship some time in August. So it is called the framework laptop. So it’s at frame.work. Um, and it is a pretty cool laptop. It’s an ultra. Um, that is priced about the same as actually the ultra book, the windows laptop that I had just bought the Dell XPS 93, 10 that I spent about it was with once tax and stuff was involved. [00:39:26] It was about $2,000 from Costco and it’s spec wise very similar. At least the, when I can figure the Dell has a better screen. Um, but the, uh, processor Ram and, um, SSD are, are the same, um, spec wise. So, but what’s interesting about this. It’s it’s like former people, like there’s some former apple engineers and people from Lenovo and people from HP and the whole concept, which when they announced it in February, I have to admit I was pretty skeptical and I was like, I’m rooting for them, but I don’t know if this is going to work. [00:39:56] And I still kind of feel this way, but the first reviews are out and [00:40:00] I’m becoming more hopeful. So the idea behind this thing is that they’ve made a fully repairable, modular upgradable laptop. So it’s still thin and light. Like it’s not going to be, you know, uh, like it’s, it’s not thick. Like it still looks like an ultra book or whatever, but you can repair basically every part of it. [00:40:20] So it is designed, you know, where like they’ve made like a, a modular motherboard that you can take out and use afterwards. You can’t replace the CPU on it because. Laptop CPU’s don’t work. Aren’t socketed, but, but like the battery is designed to be, you know, replaced if you want to, um, and, and repaired like, um, they have QR codes on the inside that show you how to install new things. [00:40:46] You can repair the speakers, replaced them, the, the, um, uh, camera and, and microphone, like on the screen can be taken out. The screen can be replaced like the keyboard. They have different options for different keyboards. You can [00:41:00] use, like it’s really, really repairable, really modular. And then their plan is that they are going to be selling. [00:41:06] Basically they’re using the, the thinner. Um, they don’t have the Thunderbolt, uh, certification yet, but it is Thunderbolt. They’re using those lanes to basically create little modules that will stick into the side that will have different connection things. So it can store four of them. So you can have like four USB-C ports or Thunderbolt, forts ports, or you could have like one USB-C, one, um, display port one, HD Mai one micro SD, and then you can, you can flop, you can hot swap them in and out as you’re using the laptops. [00:41:35] So, um, the whole concept is both for it to be like right to repair because they’re going to be making the schematics available to repair shops, which is very cool, making the parts available to people, to be able to, to get an also like environmental so that you don’t have to like throw away your whole laptop if something breaks, or if you want to upgrade the Ram, which [00:42:00] increasingly you can’t do on laptops. [00:42:02] Like, like the, the XPS 13 that I got, I had to buy it with 32 gigs of Ram. Because it sold her den and that’s increasingly common with like a lot of laptops and like I could replace the SSD on it, but that’s about it. And, and so, um, when they announced this, like in February, I was like, this is a really great idea. [00:42:23] I’m not quite Sure. [00:42:24] if this concept will take off because we’ve seen like the modular phones before and the other types of upgradeable stuff. And like, they just, haven’t had a market where there’ve been enough people who’ve been willing to support it. And I’m still kind of skeptical. I don’t know how many this is going to sell. [00:42:36] And I don’t know how huge the third-party ecosystem will be, although they are doing things like making schematics and stuff available and like making things so that if people want to create their own expansion slots or create their own 3d printed, you know, things or, or accessories or whatever they can, like, they’re totally open to letting the community have a lot of impact with this. [00:42:55] Um, I feel like. The first reviews came out and they were [00:43:00] pretty positive. Some of them were better than others, but, um, Linus tech tips, he did a video review. He really liked it. He actually ended up like ordering one, like while he was reviewing it, he was like, I’m getting it. And when I read the reviews last week, I almost bit the bullet and ordered one and I didn’t. [00:43:17] And then that was dumb because Linus, his PO came up on Monday and like the website like crashed. I was like, dammit, I should should’ve ordered last week. Um, but I was able to pre-order one. Um, I got the, the DIY edition. It was, it was once taxed, everything was involved and with all the different components I wanted about $2,100. [00:43:35] Um, so Yeah. [00:43:37] It’s basically priced about the same as what I paid for the Dell, um, for, for similar specs. And, um, they say it’ll ship sometime in August, but I’m really excited about it. Like, I, I, I want this concept to work, you know, even if it’s not something that will have like mass brought appeal, I really liked the idea of having something that’s sustainable, upgradable, tinker, rubble, you know, like a company [00:44:00] [00:43:59] Brett: [00:43:59] Everything that an apple machine is not. [00:44:03] Christina: [00:44:03] Right or, but not just an apple machine, like even like the surface machines. Right. Even, even like most of the manufacturers, like some of the, the Chinese, um, laptop, uh, chasses makers, some of their make like ultralights that are more upgradeable than others, but a lot of them don’t and certainly you don’t have anything that is like, it comes with a screwdriver, it comes with a screwdriver. [00:44:24] So, because it’s designed for like open up your machine and then they’ve designed it. So that like the, the cables that connect the keyboard to the inside are long. So that when you open up for the first time, you’re not. [00:44:34] getting like snack. Cause if you have, if you don’t open that stuff up all the time, you might like pull too hard and break off the, the, the connector. [00:44:41] They have like cable managed when you put in the wifi card, like there are a bunch of different things they thought about that just seem really smart. And I like that philosophy a lot. So I got one and I I’m really looking forward to, um, to getting it. Cause I think, I think it’s pretty. [00:44:57] Brett: [00:44:57] Nice. Yeah, that’s pretty exciting. [00:45:00] [00:45:00] Sponsor: Sanebox [00:45:00] Um, our next sponsor today is SaneBox, which is a service I’ve used for like 10 years. So I’m super happy. They’re finally sponsoring us. [00:45:11] Inbox zero is a thing of the past. We’re all so inundated with email now that it’s no longer about responding to everything, it’s about responding only to the important things, the messages that truly matter. And that’s where SaneBox comes in. Think of it as an EMT for your email as messages flow in SaneBox, that’s the triage for you sifting only the important emails into your inbox and directing all the other distracting stuff into your same later folder. [00:45:39] Brett (2): [00:45:39] Or if you, if you have the add on features, you can have a whole bunch of different folders for like newsletters, bulk emails, you even get a sane black hole where you can drag messages from annoying sender that you never want to hear from again, If they just disappear, move them to a mailbox and all future [00:46:00] messages from that sender are gone, not in your trash, just gone. [00:46:04] Um, one of my other favorite features is the snooze folders. You can create custom folders with a certain time intervals on them. Like I have one for saying next week saying tomorrow, saying later this afternoon, and I just move a message to one of those folders. And in that period of time after it’s elapsed, it comes back to my inbox as an unread message, uh, which, you know, like a lot of I use spark on my phone, which has its own snooze feature and a lot of email clients do now, but I use multiple email clients. [00:46:41] And my favorite one on the Mac is MailMate which doesn’t have snooze feature. Having the SaneBox news folders lets me use the same method. Every email client on every device that I have and, and keeps them keep, keeps my snooze. Like if you snooze in spark on your [00:47:00] phone and then go to MailMate and you want to see a message that you know is snoozed, you can’t get to it, but with sane, snooze folders, you totally can. [00:47:11]There’s also one called sane reminders that will ping you. If someone hasn’t replied your email by a certain date. Anyway, see how SaneBox can magically remove distractions from your inbox with a two week free trial visit sanebox.com/overtired today to start your free trial and get a $25 credit that’s S a N E B O x.com/overtired. [00:47:37] I recommend SaneBox to everybody I use. This is not an affiliate link for me, but when I recommend it personally, I use an affiliate link and I have my next three years of SaneBox paid for because so many people have signed up from that link. You want to get it, you will have trouble living without it. [00:47:55] So sanebox.com/overtired. Highly recommend everybody check it out. [00:48:00] [00:48:00]Christina: [00:48:00] Awesome. [00:48:02]Brett: [00:48:02] Okay. So, so, so I was just talking to my sweetheart about the fact that so many great iOS games came out with like more monetized, double versions, and eventually let the original version die. [00:48:24] And sometimes not even more monetized bubble, they just thought they had a more fun way to like monsters eight, my condo amazing first version, second version. Totally different concepts, still fun, but not as fun. [00:48:38] Christina: [00:48:38] Right. If they were like, they were like trying to chase, like what the trends were with games. [00:48:43] Brett: [00:48:43] Yeah. And they let the first one diet no longer runs on current addresses. [00:48:47] And it’s very frustrating and angry birds went down that path. Uh, like I had a blast with the first version. And so like a day or two after I had this conversation with [00:49:00] L a angry birds, reloaded came out out and it went back to the original formula. [00:49:07] And it’s just the first version with a few extra like power ups and ad-ons, but it’s all the fun of the first game. And it was very serendipitous that I was complaining about this. And then they came through and I’m once again, playing angry birds, [00:49:24] Christina: [00:49:24] That’s awesome, [00:49:26] Brett: [00:49:26] all over. Right. [00:49:27] Christina: [00:49:27] man. So I met one of the angry birds, uh, creators. Once he came to Mashable, he was like six, 10. My actual actually, actually, actually he might’ve been over seven feet tall. I don’t remember. But I remember in that office, like we, we had a thing where like, we drew, like we took like, you? [00:49:45] know, his height and my height and like drew them on the wall because he was just like such a big guy. [00:49:51]Um, they also, they sent me angry birds bands ones, which were probably the coolest shoes I’ve ever had. So those are my, and I actually had the angry [00:50:00] birds, plush animals that like I bought, um, I loved angry birds back in the day. So I I’m glad to know that that reloaded thing or whatever is back. Is it like an apple or cage or is it just like in the app store? [00:50:11] Like [00:50:12] Brett: [00:50:12] in arcade. [00:50:13] Christina: [00:50:13] nice. [00:50:14] Brett: [00:50:14] Did, did you know that when the original version of angry birds was released, there were only five people bull on the team. It was a fight person team making a game that became a goddamn movie. [00:50:28] Christina: [00:50:28] Yes. Um, uh, a series of movies and that, like, I don’t remember how much EA bought Rovio for, but they bought them for a lot of money and yeah. [00:50:37] Brett: [00:50:37] That’s a, that’s a developer success story right there. [00:50:41] Christina: [00:50:41] Oh, it’s the biggest one. The only problem they had was that they, some of the SQLs and some of the other stuff they did over the years wasn’t as successful. And like you said, they went into the IEP space where like, oh, you have to have coins and you have to, you know, like have this many lives and do these things to get power ups in this and that, which ruined the whole thing, in my opinion. [00:50:59] Brett: [00:50:59] It’s [00:51:00] a totally different game. [00:51:01] Christina: [00:51:01] completely, and then, you know, they, they had like a lot of, um, they struggled, I think is some of the, the, the like angry birds two was good. And they had, like, there was bad piggies, but like, you know, there’s only so much you can kind of do in terms of the level design with this sort of thing. [00:51:14] And, you know, it’s, it’s like, uh, but I think it was probably the first. Yeah. [00:51:19] I think it was like the in for a time. I think it was the strongest, like, but it was like, if we want to be honest, I think it was the first mobile gaming IP, right? Like that, that you could, uh, that could, you know, obviously doesn’t have the longevity of like an intense, like a Mario or Sonic or whatever, but Yeah, [00:51:35] it became a movie and the movies did well and you know, they sold merch. [00:51:39] Like I bought the freaking plush dolls back when I lived in Atlanta, I had them. Um, so I mean, that’s how long ago it was like, it was like, I think it’s, I actually I’ll have to go back and look and Mashable ruined their website. They did a redesign and they did shitty stuff with all of the old stuff that had been written before they’d [00:52:00] moved to this new custom CMS. [00:52:01] So anything written like pre early 2016, they. Stripped of all the formatting got rid of all the photos, got rid of all the links, any of the shortcodes like they really did the worst red Jack sort of thing they could have possibly done in archiving it. So, uh, it sucks to try to go back and read it in my old work because I’m like, well, now I can’t. [00:52:23] Um, but, uh, that, uh, I, I’m pretty sure that I wrote something a decade plus ago about how it was like the, the Mario of the mobile age because of, of how it was like the first like mobile grown, you know, like true success brand sort of thing. [00:52:42] Brett: [00:52:42] What was the, what was the one that, oh, epic? What was the epic game? [00:52:47] Christina: [00:52:47] Oh, um, infinity, um, sor uh, infinity, whatever. [00:52:53] Brett: [00:52:53] the one that, that got into the big snafu with apple about [00:52:57] Christina: [00:52:57] Oh, okay. [00:52:58] Brett: [00:52:58] Fortnite. Yeah. [00:53:00] I feel like Fortnite came maybe close to that level of, of success. [00:53:06] Christina: [00:53:06] Oh, most definitely. And it’s free to play, but Fortnite is not just on mobile. Right? Like, [00:53:11] Brett: [00:53:11] Oh, that is a major difference. Yeah. [00:53:13] Christina: [00:53:13] and it didn’t launch on mobile. Like angry birds was interesting and that it was an iPhone game. And then it was eventually ported to all these other things. Like you could, like, it was on Roku TVs at one point. [00:53:24] Like, you know, [00:53:25] Brett: [00:53:25] Yeah. [00:53:27] Christina: [00:53:27] so that, that, that’s what I meant. Like, it was like the first it’s the first mobile IP game. Like not to say that there weren’t people who had oh, cause people will be like, oh, well there was this. And there was that. I was like, nothing. That was a cultural phenomenon that was massively successful. [00:53:40] You know, that was easy to do. And it’s just these five finish guys, like you said, [00:53:45] Brett: [00:53:45] can I do an add thing to you and jump back to a previous topic? [00:53:49] Christina: [00:53:49] of course. [00:53:50] Brett: [00:53:50] Of course, that’s what we do. That’s that’s [00:53:52] Christina: [00:53:52] I mean, this is our show. [00:53:54] Brett: [00:53:54] Um, do you think I could make a hack and Tosh out of the framework? Laptop? [00:53:58]I have no idea [00:54:00] what goes into a hack and cash to begin with. So I don’t know [00:54:02] Christina: [00:54:02] okay. So here’s, here’s the problem with it? Cause I actually looked into that. Here’s the issue, um, right now, no, unless you have an external GPU, uh, or you are able to go through some sort of emulation layer because, um, the last Intel like support that they have is for the 10th generation processors. [00:54:22] So the love and the gin ships that they’re using and then newer Z, um, um, like, Uh, [00:54:28] integrated graphics. There aren’t any drivers for That So unless apple somehow releases another, you know, like Intel-based Mac and they somehow update their drivers. Um, there are rumors. [00:54:42] Brett: [00:54:42] not going to happen. [00:54:44] Christina: [00:54:44] Well, probably not for the Z. However, there are, or rumors that suggest that they will be releasing an updated Mac pro that we’ll be running the Xeon, like the latest Yon processor. [00:54:56] So if that happens, which honestly, I kind of believe [00:55:00] that, um, I could see them doing that. Um, if that were to happen, it’s possible that at that point there might be some updated drivers, however, no, you wouldn’t have any sort of accelerated graphics at all. So what you need to do in this, because I’m looking into this myself, you would need to have like an external GPU. [00:55:18] Um, and, uh, and it would need to be like an AMD GPU. And then, yeah, I think it would work because like I’ve hack and tossed my, uh, 2018, uh, meet book pro. Um, I had to get a different, um, wireless ship for it though, but that’s the shitty thing. Everything else about it would be like perfect hack Antosz material, except apple doesn’t have drivers for the dam. [00:55:39] Um, 11th gen, um, Intel thing. Yeah, [00:55:44] Brett: [00:55:44] Okay. [00:55:44]Christina: [00:55:44] sadly. [00:55:46]Brett: [00:55:46] I just, I don’t have any interest in running a windows machine, but the configurability of it is [00:55:53] Christina: [00:55:53] No, I know. Well, that’s what I’m saying. And also they have like native Linux support and like, Yeah. [00:55:59] that’s the thing, [00:56:00] right? Like, I, I have the same kind of thing. I’m like, I really, for me, this is why I will more than likely be returning the Dell because I would like to have one windows, laptop, um, uh, just, you know, to play around with, although I will spend 99% of my time, you know, on Mac stuff. [00:56:17] But, uh, the, the configurability and all the nerdy stuff is like, just so appealing. And that honestly, it’s weird. Like, I think this is why I have now gotten to the point where I want like a, uh, a PC laptop, some sort it’s not about the operating system. It’s just like, I don’t have an option to do any of that stuff with the Mac. [00:56:37] So if I want to get my nerd on. I have to use like Linux or windows. Not that I really want to, but that’s where we are in this, so [00:56:47] Brett: [00:56:47] I have one more hardware thing before we go, [00:56:50] Christina: [00:56:50] yeah. [00:56:50] Brett: [00:56:50] despite my, my stream deck trials and tribulations with El Gato support, um, I ordered the El Gato face cam when they announced [00:57:00] it and it is a great webcam. Uh, [00:57:04] Christina: [00:57:04] looks great. [00:57:05] Brett: [00:57:05] thing that I most wanted, the re the selling point for me. So I had this like green screen that pits on the back of my chair. [00:57:15] Except with a 10 80 P Logitech webcam. I have to use a webcam settings, the like the external app store app to zoom it in enough that you can’t see the edges of the green screen because it’s too wide a view and the FA oh, and so the problem with that, that’s great. But zoom constantly override. The setting. [00:57:39] So like someone will like start shoot screen-sharing. And when zoom moves my video to the side, it’ll like zoom it out. And all of a sudden I’m sitting there with like a square, uh, green screen surrounded by my messy office. Um, the, the face cam you can set a zoom and then save it to [00:58:00] the hardware. So it, you can configure it without an external application and any app that accesses, it will be forced to use those presets. [00:58:10] So that is like besides being a great cam with, with excellent, uh, exposure and white balance and resolution, uh, it, it, it has, uh, it has hardware configurability. [00:58:24] Christina: [00:58:24] Yeah. [00:58:24] no, I, I, um, I looked at that I don’t need a webcam. Um, but I was like, where was this a year ago? Cause this would have been great rather than me spending $1,100. On my, my Sony camera, I mean, which is obviously better, but like this, the quality that, that I’ve seen him, like for a lot of people, it’s going to be a big step up. [00:58:43] And I, like, I know a lot of people were complaining that it doesn’t have a microphone built in. I’m like, that’s a plus for me, because I’m going to use an external microphone. And I would encourage most people to use an external microphone. Like we have, we were like, oh, well, if you’re traveling this or that, I’m like, if you’re traveling, you probably are still taking your AirPods or something with you, [00:59:00] which even your AirPods are going to be a better mic than what we built into your webcam. [00:59:05] So, [00:59:06] Brett: [00:59:06] Yeah, [00:59:07] Christina: [00:59:07] Yeah. Um, [00:59:08]Brett: [00:59:08] Anyway, that was a weird episode. [00:59:11] Christina: [00:59:11] this was a weird episode. No, but I’m glad, I’m glad that you like it. That’s good to know. I, I have, I’ve given El Gato. This is why I was really mad about them. Like with their support stuff with you, because I’ve given them so much money in the last 12 months, I’ve bought almost everything they make and I don’t need the face cam, but I was like, well, if I go back to the office, And I want a better one, you know, for the office. [00:59:37] And I, and I’m obviously not going to buy a second, uh, expensive camera or whatever. Then I was like, well, maybe, maybe I’ll get it for that. Right. [00:59:45] Like, you know, or, or maybe it would be a good, like maybe doable, like travel thing. If, if, if travel comes back or whatever. So it was like looking at these things, but I have like the key light air. [00:59:54] I have two of those. I have the multi Mount. I have the, um, the, the, um, [01:00:00] pull-down green screen. I have the HD 60 S plus I have the, uh, the, uh, cam link 4k. Like I literally have like almost I had the, um, uh, the ring light. Like I, have everything practically. They saw, I have to have the stream deck XL. So like, when I heard this, I was like, okay, I’m really mad at Coursera right now. [01:00:19] We’re not treating you well, because that makes me like question how I’ve spent all this money on stuff, but they did at least come through. Have you received your report? [01:00:28] Brett: [01:00:28] I just got it. Uh, last week I now have both of my stream decks working again. And so I, we’re going to go over a little bit here. Um, I, I set up my stream decks so that, uh, like, so my stream deck mini, which is six buttons. Uh, I have it as like my auxiliary, when I switched to a profile on my regular stream deck, it sets up six extra buttons on the auxiliary stream [01:01:00] decks. [01:01:00] So like when I, when, uh, screen, uh, ScreenFlow loads, it loads up all of the editing buttons on the regular stream deck, but on the stream deck mini it loads up the recording button. So I can start, stop, pause, add markers, uh, open the recording, monitor all from the mini I’ve got this perfect like tandem stream deck system set up. [01:01:24] I love it. And you can control one stream deck from another. I’m having so much fun. [01:01:32] Christina: [01:01:32] Yay. That’s awesome. [01:01:33] Brett: [01:01:33] Have you seen, re incubate cammo [01:01:36] Christina: [01:01:36] Yeah. [01:01:36] Brett: [01:01:36] this may actually have even come up on this show before, but [01:01:39] Christina: [01:01:39] I think you might’ve been the one who told me about it. That’s that’s an app that lets you use, um, your, um, um, yeah. [01:01:45] Brett: [01:01:45] As a webcam it’s [01:01:47] Christina: [01:01:47] It’s pretty cool. [01:01:48] Brett: [01:01:48] if you have, if you have a good mounting setup, but you can get a gorilla pod for, [01:01:53] Christina: [01:01:53] I was going to say, get a gorilla pod or, or, um, something else even like, if you get some of those things you can frame with it. Yeah. That’s, that’s a [01:02:00] really good option. [01:02:02] Brett: [01:02:02] unless you have, you know, uh, uh, uh, max pro size iPhone that you can’t possibly mute, or it can’t pop possibly mountains, still be able to see your screen around. Uh, it’s a good option anyway. Yeah. So this episode got, it was diverse. If yes, diverse would be my word. heroine, customizable laptops, angry birds, uh, webcams. [01:02:30] I feel like we hit, we hit all. We hit all the important stuff. All this stuff kids are talking about today, we hit it all. [01:02:37] Christina: [01:02:37] Honestly, this was like our most tech heavy episode in a really long time. And I’m, I I’m glad for it. I’m here for it. [01:02:42] Brett: [01:02:42] I will say your episode last week with Ashley, uh, Skedda uh, was very listener bubble. Uh, you got into gaming, which is great because I can’t talk about gaming. I have nothing to add to that conversation, but I feel like it’s an important like tech [01:03:00] topics. So thank you for a great show. I, uh, I enjoyed it much more than the who’s fuckable in 2000 boy bands episode. [01:03:08]Christina: [01:03:08] We tried. We tried. Yeah. That, that one didn’t go in that direction. So it was, Yeah. it was more gaming and tech kind of, rather than, than being, um, uh, pop culture related it. Look, we all have multitudes. Okay. So [01:03:22]Brett: [01:03:22] Yeah. Nice job. Thanks for doing that. [01:03:25] Christina: [01:03:25] Thank you. Happy birthday. I’m glad that your, um, oral surgery went well. How, how did your recovery go? How are you feeling [01:03:31] Brett: [01:03:31] I am fully recovered now. It was a rough week. I didn’t sleep much. They gave me zero pain meds after pulling out half my jaw. Um, and I only have half a mouth now, so I’m learning to eat with half my mouth until next March. So, um, [01:03:45] Christina: [01:03:45] then, and then, and then you’re getting like implants or whatever. [01:03:48] Brett: [01:03:48] yeah. Yes. I still at my job in full dental coverage. I will be getting implants. [01:03:54] Christina: [01:03:54] You’re going to still have your job and full dental. So, [01:03:56] Brett: [01:03:56] Yeah. [01:03:57] Christina: [01:03:57] and are you putting enough, are you putting up for enough March because they [01:04:00] need to for your healing or are you like, is this how you’re like cheating the insurance. [01:04:04] Brett: [01:04:04] Healing. It takes, it takes four months for the extraction to heal. Uh, then they add the, uh, like the posts for the implants. Then that takes four months to heal. Then they can add the teeth to it, [01:04:18] Christina: [01:04:18] Oh God. [01:04:19] Brett: [01:04:19] it also works out so that I can hit my dental max [01:04:22] Christina: [01:04:22] No, I was [01:04:23] Brett: [01:04:23] two different years. [01:04:24] Christina: [01:04:24] no. Well, th this is why I was asking, because my dentist has done that with me before. She’s like, okay, well, we’re going to schedule things are all, all around this time. And that way, when you come back after the first of the year, you’ll have a new deductible and I’m like, you’re smart. [01:04:39] Brett: [01:04:39] Yeah. That’s my dentist said the exact same thing. They usually schedule stuff like this out over a couple of years. [01:04:44]Christina: [01:04:44] Love it. [01:04:45] Brett: [01:04:45] All right. Well, Christina, get some sleep. [01:04:49] Christina: [01:04:49] get some sleep. Brett.

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Show Links Loki Ted Lasso He Man Physical Spycraft Death’s Door Returnal Steam Deck CES Join the Community See you on Discord! Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 246 Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]You’re listening to overtired, but Terpstra is out because he had to get surgery or something. I don’t know. Faker. Anyway, I’m Christina Warren and I’m here with the amazing Ashlea Asqueda. Ashley, how are you? [00:00:19] Ashley: [00:00:19] I just, I don’t know if there’s like, uh, maybe cosmic exhaustion, like w that’s I’m going to go ahead and upgrade this episode of overtired to cosmic exhaustion [00:00:31] Christina: [00:00:31] Cosmic exhaustion. Okay. So that’s what the, that’s what the podcast is called for this episode. Welcome to welcome to cosmic exhaustion with Ashley and Christina. [00:00:40] Ashley: [00:00:40] Yes. Yes. It’s just, just a, just a perpetual state of exhaustion. Just everything is exhausting, everything. It’s just like all the time. The internet is exhausting, Christina. [00:00:54] Christina: [00:00:54] It’s exhausting. Okay. Talk to me about that. Like, what are some of the things that are leaving you? So [00:01:00] cosmic leaks. [00:01:01] Ashley: [00:01:01] I think yesterday, I, you know, I think watching Jeff Bezos touch the edge of space, uh, you know, while we’ve got teachers who have Amazon wishlist full of stuff they need for the school year that Jeff Bezos could literally just fulfill out of pocket for nothing for literally. I mean, he would not even notice a [00:01:23] Christina: [00:01:23] He wouldn’t even notice he’d get a tax write off. [00:01:26] Ashley: [00:01:26] would get a tax write up, like, just like I saw at the end, like at the a hundred million dollar fund, whatever that’s fine. Like van Jones is already rich, so I don’t know what, who that helps. Like, I’m fine, but. I think it would have been better for Jeff Bezos to have. And I know that the reason that he did that was the optics of it, right? [00:01:46] It’s like, oh, you’re spending all this money to like, fly your weird penis, rocket up into space. But it’s like, I knew you, he knew when he came back down, there would be the, the discourse, right? It’s like the [00:02:00] discourse of how much money he has versus the haves and haves nots and income inequality and all that stuff. [00:02:05] So he knew he had to come back down and bring something. So he did that like big, oh, I’m, we’re going to give a hundred million dollars to certain, you know, conversation makers who are trying to make the world a better place, whatever. [00:02:17] Christina: [00:02:17] blah, blah, blah. [00:02:18] Ashley: [00:02:18] but really all he had to do was be like, if you’re a teacher and you qualify, you can submit. [00:02:23] And he had how much time to work on this. Just so much time. He had it over a year that we knew this was happening for a long time months, at least. Um, and it’s not like he doesn’t have the money to throw at an accelerated development pace to say, if you’re a teacher submit your credentials. And if you are verified as it as an educator, Amazon is going to wipe out your wishlist and send everything you need to, to you for the school year up to a certain dollar amount, $5,000. [00:02:59] What have [00:03:00] you? I don’t, I don’t know how much I’m not a teacher, so I don’t know how much money they would need every year, but I know it’s a significant enough amount of money that they need to put, put together an Amazon wishlist. So, um, so yeah, I think that would have been maybe more impactful. Like, I, it just feels like a thing. [00:03:15] Like, I, I don’t know. I felt like, um, you know, it’s nice giving a hundred million dollars to one person, but why not? You know, instead of once, again, like this is an inequality, like thing, like why not just spread that a hundred million dollars out to all the teachers who have, you know, really significant wishlists and need them for the school year, especially with the pandemic, they have to get, you know, extra cleaning supplies and [00:03:37] Christina: [00:03:37] Yeah. [00:03:37] Ashley: [00:03:37] just so much extra stuff that they have to have that we are not providing them. [00:03:41] Um, so I just feel like it’s, um, you know, good, good for you. Jeffrey Bezos. [00:03:47] Christina: [00:03:47] Yeah, [00:03:48] no, I agree with you. And the thing is, is that if he did that, that would have been such a huge PR win also for Amazon, because they could have been like, oh, well, you know, um, you know, cause you have to be an Amazon, [00:04:00] like it has to be an Amazon wishlist. Right. And, and we’re, we’re doing all this stuff where we’re helping people, you know, uh we’re we’re helping the teachers we’ll help him helping the community, whatnot. [00:04:10] Like it really would’ve played well, like you’re, you’re dead on that would have been so much smarter. That [00:04:15] Ashley: [00:04:15] a grant for an annual teachers. An annual teacher’s fund should be like every year. If you’re, if you’re a qualified teacher, you’re at your employment has been verified. [00:04:25] Christina: [00:04:25] Yeah. Which they do anyway, I think with some of their, like their prime education and other like programs, like they have a way to verify it. [00:04:32] Ashley: [00:04:32] They can do it. It’s Amazon has the money and the, and the, they have the manpower, the person power to do this, to, to verify employment. [00:04:42] And every year they can do it every year. They can verify reverify employment every year. Comic-Con does it every year. So I think that they, I think Amazon can do it. I think it would be fine. [00:04:50] Christina: [00:04:50] 100%. I mean, they could even go a step further. They wanted to be, I mean, this wouldn’t cover everybody, but it would be also kind of a boon for them. It’d be like, your school has [00:05:00] to register with Amazon. [00:05:01] Ashley: [00:05:01] Yeah. Yeah. [00:05:02] Christina: [00:05:02] Your school has to register with Amazon. Okay. You know what cool. Like that’s, that seems acceptable. [00:05:07] Um, and so I don’t know. I feel like that’s a, that Would be a completely [00:05:16] Ashley: [00:05:16] Would have been nice, right? [00:05:17] Christina: [00:05:17] do. It would’ve been nice. I I’m with [00:05:18] Ashley: [00:05:18] universe in a, in a post low-key, uh, branching timeline. It would have been a very nice nexus event for teachers. [00:05:26] Christina: [00:05:26] That would have been a nice nexus advent, you know, we didn’t see a lot of that in Loki. Timelines where things seem to be better. [00:05:35] Ashley: [00:05:35] Yeah. They’re all worse. Right. So is that the message everyone’s trying to send us? It’s like, Hey guys, like, um, maybe just accept this timeline because in all the other it’s so much worse and at least 50% of it. [00:05:48] Christina: [00:05:48] But like, but that seems weird, right? Like that doesn’t seem, [00:05:52] Ashley: [00:05:52] Yeah. Like where’s the C I, okay. Can we talk about the end of Loki? Are we allowed to do [00:05:57] Christina: [00:05:57] Yeah, let’s totally talk about the end of, okay. Okay. Um, [00:06:00] listeners, if you wash low-key on Disney plus, and you haven’t caught up in the last couple of weeks, I will put in the show notes. What time you can listen to it again, but we’re going to now do get into split the time. So, so let’s, let’s talk about it. [00:06:11] Ashley: [00:06:11] just, just really briefly. I like, I don’t think we have to get too deep into it and 2d paving into the spoilers, but it’s like, I think the end, basically, you know, the I’ll try to be vague the care that the character they encounter him and Sylvie encounter at the end, um, basically offers them everything they want, right. [00:06:33] To the, oh, what, what can you, what can you possibly want? And the thing is, is I know that this is sort of like a low-key who, this is not the same low-key that went through all of the events of like infinity war. And that’s not, this is the loci that came from the end of the first Avengers. So he’s not really a good guy yet. [00:06:57] And it seems like this transformation of him [00:07:00] to being this like, sort of, kind of good guy, they, they sort of leaned a little bit on, um, they leaned a little bit on, on the, the last [00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] Yeah. The [00:07:09] Ashley: [00:07:09] phase. Yeah. Yeah. [00:07:10] Christina: [00:07:10] I know. Yeah, that you’re right. You’re right. ‘ [00:07:13] Ashley: [00:07:13] cause to dangle, like why not show him a world in which he rules show him that. Like, I want to see that I want to see that world, like you mentioned, like why don’t we see these things? [00:07:24] And it’s like to see that would have been such an incredibly tempting thing for that. Low-key like for that Loki would have been such an incredibly temp tempting thing. And it felt like he didn’t even really, um, grapple with it for longer than a second. Right. Like, I know that it’s about his feelings about Sylvie and like, you know, he says in the, and he’s like, I just want you to be okay. [00:07:44] Like that’s what he wants more than anything. It reminded me of, um, the mirror of era said from Harry Potter, like his greatest desire has now changed to see something different. Now it’s a Sylvie Sylvia’s stew, her being okay. Is, is his greatest wish. [00:08:00] [00:07:59] Christina: [00:07:59] Yeah. Yeah, [00:08:00] And I think that’s a good point. And it’s also, um, I mean, I think they tried to play off like his. Coming to terms and like becoming a better person by showing him, you know, uh, stuff about his mother and stuff in the future. And like, kind of like letting him go through that process. But you’re right. [00:08:16] It was pretty fast. I was willing to give them a break for that because you know, six episodes, but you are correct in so far as like then by the end of the six episodes and the characterization, it’s like the writers forgot, oh, this is not the same loci from, um, uh, he wasn’t an end game. Um, what was, uh, [00:08:36] Ashley: [00:08:36] Infinity war. I think, I think that you mentioned the whole, like, he sees his whole life, like his future life, like flash before his eyes, but for, you know, for all intent and purposes, that’s exactly what it is. Um, and he sees it, you know, the death of his mother and all this other stuff that he causes. So I do think that there is a. [00:08:55] There is something to be said for like, having to experience that all in one, [00:09:00] like piece of info, like piece of information that’s like dropped on your head, like an anvil. Um, so yes, like I, I think that that could be enough potentially. Um, but I do think, I, I know watching it, like there were spots where I was like, I think the pandemic, uh, prevented this bit from being expanded upon and like, that was kind of a bummer. [00:09:24] So it just felt like there were a couple of bit, a couple of pieces of the show that were not quite there. Of the pandemic and I know Falcon and the winter soldier, like they talked at length about it afterwards, where they were just like, you know, we had all these problems. We had to, like, I think they were in Prague. [00:09:40] And then all of a sudden date, they, the lockdown started and they just had all gotten there. I think they’d been there for a week. And then they were like, oh, oh no, like we have to, we have to get out of here. Like we have to go home. Otherwise we may not be able to come home. And so they had to get like a hundred people back to the U S it’s like, it was a whole thing. [00:09:59] I mean, it was really [00:10:00] tough. Um, [00:10:01] Christina: [00:10:01] why it sucked. [00:10:02] Ashley: [00:10:02] well, they, so they ended up having to build, if you guys, if anyone is listening and has not, um, We can, I think we can say like end of spoiler chat, right. It looks like [00:10:11] Christina: [00:10:11] Yes. Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah. [00:10:13] Ashley: [00:10:13] time ten-ish minutes. Um, but if you haven’t seen the, um, the, uh, making of Falcon in winter soldier that behind the scenes show that, that they do on Disney plus they, they talk about, um, how they had to recreate parts of like Prague. [00:10:28] And like, I think port was it, I forget the other, it was like, uh, it was somewhere else that they were also shooting. Um, and they had to kind of recreate a lot of that out just outside of Atlanta, like in the suburbs, which is wild to me like that they were able to do that. Like what a heavy lift. [00:10:47] Christina: [00:10:47] Yeah. Also, like I grew up in the Atlanta suburbs and it does not look like Prague at all. [00:10:52] Ashley: [00:10:52] No. [00:10:52] Christina: [00:10:52] not even close. Um, so Yeah. I think I think that probably I, I was being facetious and that, was why it sucked. I think [00:11:00] it sucked for a lot of reasons, but I’m sure that didn’t help with the process at all. [00:11:03] Ashley: [00:11:03] I think that, um, man, I, I, I really would have loved that as a movie, like black widow. I think it would have been a really nice movie or a longer TV show. I like, I don’t know. I w I liked it. I just didn’t. Um, I, I think the, I would have liked to have seen, um, just a little bit more, and I had an issue with one thing that they did at the end, where it was like, Bucky tells Sam he’s like, do the, do the work you have to learn. [00:11:32] You have to like do or no, I’m sorry. Sam tells Bucky do the work. Like he’s like you had to do the work. And like, to me doing the work for Bucky would be actually sitting down and going to therapy. Like he literally like leaves his therapist. I was like, yeah, I don’t need you anymore. I’m done. I’m going to go do some work. [00:11:48] I’m just like, wait, wait, wait, wait, come back. [00:11:50] Christina: [00:11:50] Yeah, no, I think That’s fair. Um, I, think for me, the problem with Falcon winter soldier was that I thought one division was so good and it was not what I expected from a Disney plus [00:12:00] Marvel show. And then talking to winter soldier, it was exactly what I expected from, uh, from, uh, you know, um, Disney plus Marvel show. [00:12:06] And I was just like, really? There’s nothing here. Um, [00:12:09] Ashley: [00:12:09] I, I liked it. [00:12:10] Christina: [00:12:10] interesting show and then we had the. [00:12:12] Ashley: [00:12:12] I, think, um, one of the things that, uh, has seemed very polarizing online is the, uh, the whole, like people either really like, or really don’t like some of these shows. And I think a big part of it is, uh, at least from a couple of friends, um, anecdotally is that they, they’re not, they’re not, they’re expecting a certain thing and they get something else. [00:12:36] So like you were saying, like, I think a lot of people were hoping, Wanda vision, if they have the opposite problem you did where they were like, nah, one division. I don’t really like it because it’s not what I expected from an MCU property. And then, and then, you know, then Falcon in the winter, soldier come out, like, this is exactly what I want. [00:12:51] Like, oh man, it’s action packed. It’s really fun. And you know, And so I, but I do think that, um, you know, the MCU [00:13:00] is a, is a rolling stone that, that has no Moss testing. It grows no Moss. It’s just continually moving building. Um, it is, it is quite literally like playing a game of Fortnite. Like they’re just like building, building, building like action all the time. [00:13:14] Like it’s always building towards something. And so I, I do think that. Some, I think people used to a traditional TV model where, you know, you have your, just your typical season of television or, or a single season, or like a limited series. I think that is its own X set of expectations. And then you have the MCU expectations and then you have the expectation of keep moving, keep moving, keep moving, keep setting up the next thing. [00:13:46] And so it’s, it’s a lot of spinning plates. I think there’s a lot of spinning plates. It’s tough. It’s I, I can’t imagine being a part of the creative brain trust of Marvel studios. Like it just seems, it [00:14:00] seems like a lot. I mean, it seems, I mean, it seems really fun. I would love to be in that, you know, that that variety should act where you’re literally spinning 5,000 plates all at one time. [00:14:09] Like that’s kind of amazing. Um, but, uh, but yeah, it’s, it seems like it’s, it’s really hard to, to kind of do that. Please all audiences or all expectations. [00:14:21] Christina: [00:14:21] Well, I think that’s the thing is, is trying to, and I just was really hot on the mic there. I think that’s the thing I think trying to please all the audiences has got to be really hard, especially when you are by definition, pretty much kind of going for the most broad audience thing possible. Uh, because these are as Martin scores, as you said. [00:14:38] And I, people got mad at him, but he was completely right. They are like cookie cutter. They are like a very much like assembly line, like made in like a factory. System model like they are that’s, that’s not, I don’t [00:14:50] Ashley: [00:14:50] Well, I mean, there’s a reason they’re insanely popular is because they’re, they, they work for everybody and it’s like, it’s, [00:14:56] Christina: [00:14:56] Yeah. [00:14:56] exactly. And so you need to be kind of as broad as possible. [00:14:59] That was why [00:15:00] I personally really liked one division and I also liked low-key, but especially one division, because I felt like it was not what I expected. It wasn’t as dark as Jessica Jones on Netflix. Um, but it was a lot deeper and a lot more interesting than I expected. And it, it didn’t follow. I mean, they had some of the same tropes and like the tried, but the, the finale to kind of do some of the normal Marvel stuff, but it was not the typical MCU thing at all, which is why I thought the finale was actually the weakest point of the series, but I thought it was really strong and, um, why I was glad I got nominated for so many MAs, but, um, Yeah. [00:15:39] but, but I think that that’s, um, but that’s a good point about Loki, just about the fact that, uh, The characterization. [00:15:46] Wasn’t quite what we’d come to expect. [00:15:49] Ashley: [00:15:49] Yeah. And I, I do. Okay. That’s the other thing, I think we all expected a single season, right? So we all wanted it [00:15:55] Christina: [00:15:55] actually a good point [00:15:56] Ashley: [00:15:56] wrapped up with a bow and we didn’t. We got to, now we’re getting a second [00:16:00] season. So [00:16:00] Christina: [00:16:00] getting a second season, [00:16:01] Ashley: [00:16:01] traditional TV now, so we can call locate traditional TV. It, it ended exactly as a television series should, which is on a great cliffhanger that answered a lot of questions, but didn’t like if they had [00:16:13] Christina: [00:16:13] up a whole bunch of new ones. [00:16:14] Ashley: [00:16:14] Exactly. Exactly. So I think, I thought it was very effective for what it wants to be and what it is. I think it’s very, uh, [00:16:21] Christina: [00:16:21] Oh, I agree. No, I thought I thought Loki was good. I’m definitely going to watch the second one. [00:16:25] Ashley: [00:16:25] Yeah. [00:16:25] Christina: [00:16:25] All right. All right. So this episode of overtired is brought to you by TextExpander work smarter, not harder with text expander. So TextExpander is an app that I love that Brett loves, um, that it works on all your devices and it expands short abbreviations into full text snippets. 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But at the same time, I’m muscly. Really? I want to know, uh, [00:18:31] Ashley: [00:18:31] I know. [00:18:32] Christina: [00:18:32] I think they only gave, it looks like they gave the press the first eight of Paul’s episodes, at least based, according to the reviews, Everybody seems positive. so far. Everybody’s like, cause everybody’s like cautiously optimistic. [00:18:42] They’re like, [00:18:43] Ashley: [00:18:43] You know, what other reviews came out today that are extremely positive [00:18:49] Christina: [00:18:49] That’s what I’m saying. I read them and I was like, okay. I was trying, I was even trying not to spoil myself too much. I just wanted to be like, it’s still good. Right. And they’re like, yeah. it’s still good. [00:18:58] Ashley: [00:18:58] Yeah. That’s I, that’s how I feel about, um, [00:19:00] psycho nuts too, has a bunch of previews like extended previews. And I’m like, I’m not going to read these. I can’t, I can’t, I want to be surprised next month. Like I gotta, I gotta be ready, but, um, you know, what else got really good? Uh, advanced screening reviews is the new He-Man animated series that Kevin Smith one is getting rave reviews from. [00:19:18] Literally everyone I’ve seen this morning in my timeline that reviewed it. [00:19:21] Christina: [00:19:21] Interesting. You know [00:19:23] Ashley: [00:19:23] it captures the heart of the original and somehow, uh, also adds stakes, which I did not think was possible, but apparently when you’re a He-Man super fan, like Kevin Smith, you can in fact do that. So, um, yeah. Pretty cool, [00:19:38] Christina: [00:19:38] I’m excited about that. And that was when the boiler wasn’t on my radar. Like I, I re I vaguely kind of remember He-Man like I had a He-Man toy that I really liked. But I, you know, it, wasn’t one of those like essential parts of my childhood. So, um, I didn’t really care one way or another, but I am glad to hear that. [00:19:57] It’s good. And he, he does [00:20:00] seem like he would be the right guy of anybody [00:20:01] Ashley: [00:20:01] Yeah. [00:20:02] Christina: [00:20:02] do it. [00:20:03] Ashley: [00:20:03] Yeah, I think so. I was a huge He-Man kid. Like I loved He-Man when I was a kid [00:20:10] Christina: [00:20:10] Yeah, [00:20:10] Ashley: [00:20:10] around yelling. Like I have the power, [00:20:12] Christina: [00:20:12] have. I, maybe I did. It’s just, I was so little that I, like I remember it, but it was just this, one of those things that’s kind of faded into time, I guess it’s also, it’s like transformers, you know, there are these things that were like created to sell toys and some of it like lives better in your right. [00:20:30] And sometimes it’s like, it. holds a better in your memory then, you know, actually, you know, like what. [00:20:36] Ashley: [00:20:36] Yes. Oh, it’s terrible. I mean, that’s, I think we can all agree. It’s it’s all bad, but it’s it’s, you know, but it, it, I respect it for the way it made me feel at the time. Right. Like that’s, that’s the way I choose to look back at it. [00:20:52] Christina: [00:20:52] yeah. Yeah. [00:20:53] I think, I think, um, so as I’m looking forward to that, so no, that’s interesting that people like that because people can go either way with him too, you know? [00:21:00] And, and so that, that’s the fact that you saw everybody being positive. That’s a good sign. [00:21:05] Ashley: [00:21:05] Yeah, everybody. I mean, my whole timeline this morning, just full of people. It’s this is great. It’s an excellent con continuation. Like, I mean just, yeah, lots of complimentary reviews about it. So now I’m more excited than I was, which I was like, oh, I’ll check that out. Like I was, I was interested. Um, what does that, what does that mean? [00:21:24] The Leo DiCaprio mean, uh, you know, now you have my attention, [00:21:28] Christina: [00:21:28] you have my attention, Yeah. [00:21:30] Ashley: [00:21:30] now you have my attention. So you piqued my curiosity, but now you have my attention. That’s I mean, I’m into it now. I’m going to watch it. [00:21:37] Christina: [00:21:37] Yeah, Yeah. I, um, I’ll, I, I definitely like, I’m not, I’m not going to say that I’m going to watch it, but it’s definitely higher on the prob probability that I’ll watch versus where it was before. That’s definitely [00:21:49] Ashley: [00:21:49] same, same. So, I mean, I’m, I’m gonna, I’ll check it out for [00:21:52] Christina: [00:21:52] Yeah, [00:21:52] Ashley: [00:21:52] What are you, so what are you, so we don’t have screeners. We have no screeners for anything. So what are we actually watching now? [00:22:01] [00:22:00] Christina: [00:22:01] Uh, um, I just finished physical and uh, I thought that was really good. [00:22:06] Ashley: [00:22:06] As a tough watch, but [00:22:07] Christina: [00:22:07] That was a tough watch. Yeah, it was, but it was, it was good. [00:22:09] She’s just really. [00:22:11] Ashley: [00:22:11] She really is amazing. Just amazing. Um, I’ve been watching, this is really, uh, two things. I’ve been like checking out spycraft on Netflix, which is about like the history of like spy. Every episode is dedicated to like a different aspect of espionage. And so they do like, you know, um, gadgets, they do like listening devices than they do, um, in coding, like encryption type stuff where they talk about. [00:22:41] Yeah. Like, so each episode is like a different type of, or different aspect of espionage. Um, they do like, not the femme fatale, but they’re like, oh, and then there’s like the, you know, the, the spies who use like sex to get information. And like, they’re like, it’s, it’s really fascinating and very [00:23:00] well-made. [00:23:00] Um, and then another docu series. We like ducky series in this [00:23:03] Christina: [00:23:03] I liked, yeah, I liked them too. [00:23:05] Ashley: [00:23:05] We’re watching the, uh, the Paul McCartney thing on Hulu. Um, I think it’s called 3, 2, 1 with Rick Rubin, Purdue, uh, you know, iconic producer, Rick Rubin, uh, where they go through. Uh, so a lot of the Beatles catalog, but they’re also now going through some of Paul’s catalog with wings and stuff like that. [00:23:24] Um, but they go through the songs and they are listening to like the actual, like studio masters. And he talks about like how, how they came to be, what, like little stories about them, like how the melodies came up, like where they found certain sounds really fascinating if you love music. But also, I mean, if you love the Beatles, if you love music, if you love making songs by yourself, like, I mean, it’s just really good. [00:23:48] And so well-produced, and just terribly fascinating and, and it’s so simple, like the series is all very simple. Um, but so effective, really, really good. [00:23:58] Christina: [00:23:58] that’s a really, really interesting, [00:24:00] okay. I didn’t even know this was this, this was a thing. Um, [00:24:02] Ashley: [00:24:02] out. So it just came out. It’s [00:24:04] Christina: [00:24:04] All right. Well, cause I love him. Um, who doesn’t I think if you don’t like, there’s something wrong with you, honestly. Um, but I also love Rick Rubin, so I’m excited about that. [00:24:14] Ashley: [00:24:14] It’s really, really good. I it’s. Um, and it’s, it’s multiple episodes. It’s not just like a one-hour documentary. It’s like, they go, they start with like earlier Beatles songs they go through. And like, he was talking about how they, how they came up with the idea of Sergeant pepper and like, and, uh, like on last night’s episode, they were talking about, um, being inspired by the beach boys and like pet sounds. [00:24:36] And they’re like, we heard pet sounds and we’re like, whoa, we gotta, we gotta up our game. Like, basically I was just like, oh wow, we got up our game. And then, and then they, in response to that album, they made Sergeant Pepper’s lonely hearts club band, which is like, incredible. And then that, that, that was the response. [00:24:52] Like, it’s just amazing to me. It’s just like, oh yeah, we gotta make something better. So we’re going to make like one of the most iconic albums of all time too. Like, that’s fine. [00:25:00] And then, uh, It’s just, but it was really interesting to hear him. He just said, he’s like very candid, just talking about all this stuff and he’s playing music and he’s like, he’s playing the piano. [00:25:09] And he talks about like the way the bass comes in. Like it’s, it’s really good. And so, so interesting. [00:25:16] Christina: [00:25:16] Okay. I’m excited about this now. I love him. And, and I love hearing like musicians and people talk about their craft and he’s always been pretty open about it, which is pretty cool. I always think about how terrible it is that we didn’t get to. But apparently they used to always announce, like when SNL was first on the year, they would like joke that the Beatles were going to, we’re going to perform like, oh, we, we ran out of time or whatever. [00:25:39] And, and that he and John were like watching one night and like, we’re talking to them to go, should we just go down there? we just go down to 30 rock and just show up and, and play. And, and they decided not to, but like, it. was something you’d actually considered in like 1975 or whatever. [00:25:55] Ashley: [00:25:55] Oh, wouldn’t that have been just like the best thing ever. [00:25:59] Christina: [00:25:59] I mean, it would have been [00:26:00] amazing. It, you know, um, it, it sucks that didn’t happen, but I also kind of love that. Like they, they at least thought about it. [00:26:09] Ashley: [00:26:09] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I was in that position, I think I definitely think about it too. Right. [00:26:14] Christina: [00:26:14] I would hope so. I think that I would, um, uh, I don’t know. I think it depends. I think it depends, like, I think I definitely would, but I could also understand why there would be people who’d be like, yeah. You know, I’m kind of done with all this stuff. Don’t. [00:26:28] Ashley: [00:26:28] That’s fair. I mean, and it was late at that point for the Beatles. And so I could see where they would be like, no, [00:26:35] Christina: [00:26:35] I mean, I mean, they were, they were over, but I guess they were like in a good mental place. [00:26:38] Ashley: [00:26:38] There were, there were, there were, uh, talking at that point. They were did there. They were friends at [00:26:43] Christina: [00:26:43] Yeah. I was going to say, I mean, that that’s that’s that I think would probably be the most important thing is like, are we, um, like speaking to each other or not? And I was like, Yeah. we’re [00:26:51] Ashley: [00:26:51] Um, but yeah, um, that’s really what I’m watching right now. Like we’re not gonna like, look he’s over. We saw, you know, we watched black widow. That was awesome. That [00:27:00] was really good. We loved that. Um, but yeah, I just, I’ve actually been playing a lot of games, [00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] What have you been playing? Um, actually before we do that, let me segue into our next ad. And then we’ll get into games because there’s a lot of gaming news and Netflix is getting into games and steam has a weird thing and there’s all kinds of stuff, but why don’t we hear what you’re playing, but first let’s talk about notion. 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No, should not S O use the promo code over tired for $250 off your bill or teams plan. Okay. Ashley, let’s talk about Games What games, are you playing? [00:29:31] Ashley: [00:29:31] games, games, games, games, uh, I’m playing the new Skyward sword, uh, remake on switch they’ve legend of Zelda. They’re nuts, not new, the old legend of Zelda, Skyward, sword remake, uh, on switch, which is very nice. Um, and then I also just picked up, uh, it’s kind of like a twist on J RPGs called Chris tales. It’s gorgeous. [00:29:56] Um, I haven’t played a ton of it, but, uh, I [00:30:00] started it, uh, yesterday it came out yesterday, so it’s brand new and it looks, I mean, really, it looks stunning. And then, um, I also picked up death’s door. I don’t know if you’ve heard of this scale. It’s man, everyone I know who likes indie games. I really like indie games. [00:30:17] So, uh, if you love indie games, this game is about, um, You’re a CRO you work, you work in the afterlife with other crows, like as a business and you have to go collect souls, CRO collect souls, and you have to go get this one big soul and then it gets taken away. So the whole story starts, but, uh, yeah, you work with a bunch of crows in the afterlife to collect people’s souls and stuff. [00:30:42] So it’s a terribly good. And, um, I highly recommend it and I want to say right now, it’s like, it’s like 16 bucks on the Microsoft store. It’s not expensive. It’s under $20. I think it’s on sale right now, but it, but once it is not [00:31:00] on sale, it will be 20 bucks. So it’s not an expensive game. Um, I would say Skyward sword is a full $60 game. [00:31:07] Uh, so be sure you want to. Like, don’t be, I would say if you’re not a hundred percent on it, watch some Twitch streams, like, you know, make sure you want to spend your, your hard earned cash. Uh, but yeah, that’s what I’m playing right now. And then, you know, I, I’m still beating my head against the returnal, which, you know, I’m I’m good, man. [00:31:26] They really need a save feature. And I, I’m sad to say that cause I love it, but I can’t save. So, and some of these runs now because I’m in later areas are taking hours and I just don’t have the time to sit down and like really commit to a huge play session most of the time. So, and it’s like, I can’t play until late, late, late at night in return because you get sloppy and that’s when, as soon as you start making mistakes, you’re gets over. [00:31:51] Like you get one run, you get one life, one run, that’s it. So, uh, yeah, you can’t, can’t be sloppy. And um, and so yeah, return has been tough to, [00:32:00] uh, to get time with. Um, and I can’t really play until my kid goes to sleep, which is out seven at night. So once I am done eating dinner, I’m looking at a run that might take me into like, you know, midnight, one o’clock in the morning, just one run, one good run could take me, you know, three to three to four hours. [00:32:17] So, huh. Yeah. And it’s just, you know, so I’ve kind of back and forth on that. I’m playing ratchet and clank too, which is just delightful. [00:32:26] Christina: [00:32:26] So we’re trying to like, is that a design decision like that they don’t want to save system. So they just are basically like, we want to go back to old school games from like the eighties. [00:32:35] Ashley: [00:32:35] Yeah, well, it’s, it’s a combination of, of these like really tough rogue likes, um, like Hades where like you’re designed to die. Like the whole, the game is the part of the game mechanic is you’re you, you die. Like, that’s just how it is like that the world that you exist in is very difficult to survive in. [00:32:52] And like, as you die, you get better and better and better. And then, you know, at some point you have a lot of upgrades available to [00:33:00] you and then you can, you know, really kind of not burn through the game. Cause I’m still, you know, I’m dozens of hours in, and I’m still not burning through the game, but, uh, but it’s easier, right? [00:33:09] So it’s like, you can, you can pick up some, some things that make it a little bit easier. There’s an astronaut figure that allows you to like, uh, you get a second life basically. Um, and then there is a, uh, there’s a device in game that costs like a currency that you can earn called. Call the reclaimer. And that will allow you to, it’s sort of like a save point. [00:33:32] Uh, it’ll put you back if you die, it’ll put you back there, but with none of the progress that you made after you use the reclaimer. So like you kind of, and you could only use it one time. So, uh, well, that’s not true. I just don’t like spending ether, but, um, I just, uh, but yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s very punishing and, and they really want you to complete a run in a single, a single play session. [00:33:55] And then they have like, it’s a big game. Like it’s a big game. All of the areas are [00:34:00] like procedurally generated. And so there’s a, there’s an element of randomness to it. So you could be having an amazing run. And then all of a sudden, you just fall into a room that has sort of a like sub boss who just wrecks you and then you’re dead. [00:34:15] And now it’s over. Like it says, you spent like three hours playing and you, you know, you thought you were going to go get a, a bonus chest and it ended up being a boss. And it just like, you know, beats the life out of you. Cause you have the wrong gun for the wrong boss or whatever, cause you weren’t expecting it and then you die and that’s it. [00:34:30] And then you’re back to square one. [00:34:34] Christina: [00:34:34] Are you, are you going to get the steam deck? Did you? Pre-order the steam deck. [00:34:37] Ashley: [00:34:37] I did. [00:34:39] Christina: [00:34:39] Yeah. [00:34:39] Ashley: [00:34:39] why am I such a sucker Christie? [00:34:42] Christina: [00:34:42] I did too. And I don’t even know if I want one, but the FOMO is $5. We’ll see. I’m not convinced exactly. Well, I’m actually positive. It’s not going to ship when they claim it’s going to ship. So we’ll, we’ll see when it’s available. [00:34:54] Ashley: [00:34:54] Yeah. So I think they keep saying like Q1 [00:35:00] of next year, and I am very curious to see if they can hit that with all of the chip shortages. [00:35:05] Christina: [00:35:05] Yes. That’s my big question. So for anybody who hasn’t been listening, steam deck is steam. That is valves big attempt to basically be like, Hey, we have, um, we’re going to be making like a game here. [00:35:18] Ashley: [00:35:18] We made a game gear. [00:35:19] Christina: [00:35:19] P people have been calling it, the Gabe gear. [00:35:21] which I think is the perfect name. [00:35:22] Ashley: [00:35:22] That’s amazing. They should have just called it that [00:35:24] Christina: [00:35:24] I agree. I think that they’d call it the game gear that, that the name would have been significantly better to be totally honest. [00:35:29] The steam deck is just a weird name. Cause I, I can use it. The stream deck. [00:35:33] Ashley: [00:35:33] Yeah. El Gato. Must’ve seen just an insane amount of search results. SEO. On the day they announced it last week. I’m like Thursday. [00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] Totally also when they did that, uh, they N they introduced a new, um, stream deck. [00:35:49] Ashley: [00:35:49] Yeah, it was, and they had a new stream deck, a camera last Friday. It was like within like a day El Gato was in the news and So [00:35:58] Christina: [00:35:58] Right. it was, like [00:36:00] everything. [00:36:00] Ashley: [00:36:00] it was a long day for journalists who cover both items. So [00:36:04] Christina: [00:36:04] I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Like, I, I definitely like, I’m, I’m very feeling for you in [00:36:10] Ashley: [00:36:10] so many retakes on the video we made, I was like, it’s the stream deck? Steam deck. Like, it was just, you heard me yelling from inside my office. [00:36:17] Christina: [00:36:17] Yeah. [00:36:18] no, I’m excited about it. Although, like, I again, like, I’m not convinced they’re going to make the ship date at all. Cause valve time and, and everything. Um, but, but it, is interesting. I mean, it’s like a full fledged PC in a handheld. [00:36:30] Ashley: [00:36:30] yeah. So for those who have not caught up on this, the steam deck is imagine if. A lower, let’s say a mid range, like a mid range, a PC and a switch had a baby and a game gear had a baby. So it’s got the controls on the sides. They’re fixed. You can’t take them off like joy cons. They have the screen in the middle. [00:36:55] It’s a seven inch screen. Um, and then there’s some touch pads, [00:37:00] uh, that in their little square touch pads that let you, they have a standard control scheme with the analog sticks and the, and the controller buttons. And then they also have, you know, your bumpers, your triggers, they backed buttons. Um, but there’s touch pad accessibility to screens capacitive. [00:37:17] So you can use that. You can touch, just touch the screen, uh, and you’ll have access to your whole steam library, which is cool. Uh, but in the developer interviews, IGN got an exclusive on it. There was a, a moment where they basically said, you know, this is a computer and it runs on steam iOS, but if you wanted to. [00:37:38] You know, uh, sensibly erased, you could format the entire thing and install windows on it. Like if you wanted to. [00:37:45] Christina: [00:37:45] It is cool that you can install like windows and stuff on it and use it as kind of a full machine, which is not typically how these types of things work. [00:37:55] Ashley: [00:37:55] Yeah. Yeah. It’s a, usually it’s a, you know, it’s a locked in walled [00:38:00] garden, you know? No, no, no, no. Installing any third-party software. We don’t want anybody messing with our stuff, but I mean, you know, steam is all about, they’re all. We want you to have freedom when you be able to, there are games like, apparently that just aren’t going to work on it. [00:38:13] So I know I saw like apex is one of the games. That’s like, no, we’re not going to, we’re not going to be doing that. So very curious if, um, if this thing sells like hotcakes, uh, which, you know, based on the pre-orders, it is only a $5 deposit, you [00:38:31] Christina: [00:38:31] Yeah, that’s [00:38:33] Ashley: [00:38:33] how many people are going to order one. [00:38:35] Christina: [00:38:35] Yeah. that’s, that’s the interesting question. And then The pre-order process was kind of crappy, like their servers crashed and, and, and that was a whole thing. And, and I did think the $5 deposit thing was smart because it in theory would prevent scalpers from getting in on it. Um, uh, at least for the first few days after they opened it up to everyone, all you need to do is open up endless numbers of steam accounts, add money to a steam wallet, [00:39:00] and you can, you know, pre-order it to your heart’s content. [00:39:02] But, um, but that still takes a little more time, but I did think that that [00:39:06] Ashley: [00:39:06] and they have that gate on, um, on, you know, they said you had to have a steam account created before, [00:39:11] Christina: [00:39:11] Right. Would, that was for the first, that was for the first couple of days. And then I think after that, they were like, it doesn’t matter how old your account [00:39:17] Ashley: [00:39:17] Yeah. It was two days. I think it was like first 48 hours. [00:39:20] Christina: [00:39:20] Right. Which was smart. Yeah. So hopefully, you know, the people who actually want one can get one, it’s just gonna be a matter of when are they going to actually put it out or not. [00:39:28] But Yeah. like you, I did, I did put the $5 down. We’ll we’ll See, I hate myself already because I don’t play enough games honestly, to justify it. And I have a gaming PC and have a PS five and I have an Xbox series X [00:39:40] Ashley: [00:39:40] See, that’s where I’m at. [00:39:41] Christina: [00:39:41] and I’m like, I don’t, I [00:39:42] Ashley: [00:39:42] need another thing? [00:39:43] Christina: [00:39:43] don’t, I don’t but I know. I don’t But so, so for me, I’m kind of like, all right, I put my $5 down. [00:39:50] I have my reservation. If by the time I get my like, Hey, do. [00:39:55] you want to buy this thing? That might be one I’m like, actually, you know what, I’m a say, no, [00:40:00] [00:40:00] Ashley: [00:40:00] Yeah. Yeah. I, I think, I mean, obviously part of my pre-ordering is because, you know, for work, but, but also, I mean, personally, like I don’t, I guess it would be nice if you could do like G-Force now on it or like stadia, like that seems like a thing game pass. [00:40:22] Christina: [00:40:22] would love game pass on it because then it’s like, oh, hell Yeah. Like portable. [00:40:25] Ashley: [00:40:25] it’s a switch for your X-Box. [00:40:28] Christina: [00:40:28] I would be I would be down with that, [00:40:31] Ashley: [00:40:31] Yeah. Like that seems cool. Like, I like that. And it’s like, well, if I went to CES, I could have the steam deck and then play halo, halo, infinite from my hotel room and play it, you know, online and like not have any. And it would look amazing like that I’m into like, I’m really into that. [00:40:47] So it’ll, it remains to be seen whether or not who supports this thing. Who’s, who’s going to jump all in on, you know, their software, their games, their app stores, uh, and who, [00:41:00] uh, who else is going to be like, we’re not going to go out of our way, but if you wanted to install stuff and see if it worked, that’s not our problem. [00:41:08] Christina: [00:41:08] Right, right. Yeah. Um, and we haven’t really, I mean, we’ve seen they’ve, they’ve attempted hardware before and it’s failed, you know, um, [00:41:16] Ashley: [00:41:16] Pretty spectacularly. Yeah. Steam machines, steam link. Uh, I mean [00:41:21] Christina: [00:41:21] controller. [00:41:23] Ashley: [00:41:23] yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Pretty pretty, not great. And there are the Google of hardware. I feel like it’s like every time they come out with something and everyone’s like, oh yeah. Okay. This is cool. And then like, Google, Google always does this. [00:41:36] They were like, oh, Hey. Yeah. About that. We’re actually just going to stop supporting it now because this was an experiment and nobody wants it actually. And so we’re just gonna, we’re just gonna end of life at, sorry, everyone. Who’s actually still using it, like are bad. Um, [00:41:51] Christina: [00:41:51] are you at the steam machines launch at CES? [00:41:53] Ashley: [00:41:53] I was not. [00:41:54] Christina: [00:41:54] They had this amazing rooftop party in Vegas. That’s like my big memory of that, that they had like big [00:42:00] ice sculptures and stuff. And it was very fancy. And I was like, cool. You know, like they’re really committed to this. And they were showing us kind of prototypes and this and that, but they were also being real cagey about price and about other stuff. [00:42:10] And, and there was like this feeling in the back of my mind where I was like, this doesn’t quite seem. Together. But then I was like, but it’s spelled, you know, this is before we saw that they, this was the first foray into this. And so we didn’t really know what to trust or distrust. And I will admit I was, I was skeptical, but I was also like, Wow. [00:42:30] It was a good party. That was, that was really my big takeaway to be totally honest. Is I [00:42:34] Ashley: [00:42:34] love a good CS, like fancy CS. Um, I mean, C, C net throws legendary parties every year at CES. We had like, I think the first year it was right before I got hired the first year they had a party, it was, um, I think it was Jane’s addiction. Uh, and then we’ve had like Snoop and Beck and [00:43:00] lashed, uh, the last physical CES I attended. [00:43:03] So not this one with the one before it, um, was Janell Monae, [00:43:07] Christina: [00:43:07] Oh, wow. [00:43:08] Ashley: [00:43:08] uh, which she was just, oh my God. I was like almost crying. It was a religious experience. Um, and then, I mean, we’ve had like some really amazing artists. So we’ve had blink 180 2 at a bowling alley and like, um, was it what’s it blink? No. Was it somebody else? [00:43:26] No, I think it was, yes. I think it was blink 180 2. I feel, I I’m pretty sure. Cause Lenny Kravitz was scheduled to like play and then all of a sudden, like two days before, or like the day before, I don’t know, it was like very shortly beforehand. Um, Lenny got quote unquote sick and TMZ had pictures of him on a beach in Hawaii. [00:43:48] Like, so we had to replace him like very quickly. And so it was like, I think I want to say that was the year blink 180 2 played. But I remember, I think I was sick that year. Like something I [00:44:00] had like, you know, maybe I had CES flu or something like that. [00:44:03] Christina: [00:44:03] a real. [00:44:04] Ashley: [00:44:04] Yeah. Oh, it’s real. Um, and uh, people think that COVID started, it started at CES. [00:44:10] I got a guarantee that [00:44:11] Christina: [00:44:11] I mean, like, I’m not [00:44:12] Ashley: [00:44:12] phone’s OCS or a Petri dish. [00:44:15] Christina: [00:44:15] It was like, I’m not going to say that it didn’t start there. Right. Like, I know that it didn’t, but I’m not going to say, I mean, [00:44:19] Ashley: [00:44:19] Are we sure? Are we sure. [00:44:23] Christina: [00:44:23] I, yeah, when I used to do CES and NAB, both of them [00:44:26] Ashley: [00:44:26] Oh brutal. I’m sorry. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] I know, I know was way too much time at the Vegas convention center, honestly. [00:44:32] Um, like I [00:44:33] Ashley: [00:44:33] all year. That’s basically. [00:44:35] Christina: [00:44:35] basically. [00:44:35] and, and also it just means you’ve been like in that area just way too much for any single person. [00:44:42] Ashley: [00:44:42] It’s just, you know, I think the mistake a lot of people make when they go to CES for the first time is they don’t think about how many people are touching the things they’re also touching. [00:44:51] Christina: [00:44:51] Hm. [00:44:53] Ashley: [00:44:53] And so it ends up being like, so the first year I went to us, I got so sick, like [00:45:00] so sick. And I just didn’t, it just didn’t occur to me that the phone that I was handling had probably been handled by 10,000 other people in the last day. [00:45:09] Christina: [00:45:09] right. People who don’t have great hygiene always. Right. Like, [00:45:14] Ashley: [00:45:14] and then it’s like, you know, you’re going from appointment to appointment. So it’s like, unless you’re going to the bathroom, you don’t think about like, oh, I need to go out of my way to wash my. Um, and so then I, then I started the next year I had thought about it and I was like, okay, I need to have an action plan. [00:45:31] Christina: [00:45:31] okay. [00:45:32] Ashley: [00:45:32] I have to have a germ action plan. And actually I have found this is the best way to protect yourself at conventions like that. I mean, if you want to wear masks and stuff, that’s a whole other thing, but, um, just set a timer, set a reminder on your phone every hour and just go wash your hands for 30 seconds every hour. [00:45:53] Christina: [00:45:53] See, that’s brilliant. That also gives you like every hour you get like a little [00:45:57] Ashley: [00:45:57] Just get out. Yeah. Just get out. Take a [00:46:00] second. Wash your hands. Just take a second. Cause the thing is, is you don’t realize how many times a day you touch your face. That’s that’s the big thing. It’s like, you know, you touch all those gross phones and tablets [00:46:10] Christina: [00:46:10] and then yeah. And [00:46:11] Ashley: [00:46:11] touch your face. [00:46:12] Christina: [00:46:12] exactly. Yeah, no, that’s a great point. All right. 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And here’s why, so, um, interestingly, yeah, enough, I came back from maternity leave in November of 2019 after I had my son, I feel like I have been in lockdown for like over two years [00:48:15] Christina: [00:48:15] Right, because you were like, [00:48:16] Ashley: [00:48:16] kid at the end of June in 2019, did not leave my house for really any extended period of time. [00:48:23] Like in that four months after, and then the holidays came, which we stayed home. We were like, I think we, the kid had gotten a cold at daycare or something, so we stayed home. And then, and then literally he was in daycare full-time for two months, like not even two months. And then, um, he had a really high fever one day and we were like, oh gosh, like, okay, well I’ll bring him home. [00:48:46] And his fever was really high for a couple of days. Then it was really low for a few days. And I think, yeah, turned out he had like a really nasty ear infection in both ears. [00:48:56] Christina: [00:48:56] Oh, no. [00:48:57] Ashley: [00:48:57] Um, I made the mistake of, we didn’t [00:49:00] really know this. Like, there are some things you just don’t get taught when you have a new kid, like even in the classes and stuff, like they don’t teach you to not lay them flat when you feed them. [00:49:10] Like they have to be elevated a little bit. Otherwise, like we, we don’t get ear infections as adults because we, our vertical gravity pulls our ear tubes down. And so we don’t get ear infections most of the time because of that. But babies, uh, don’t stand up obviously. And so when, before they’re walking, they tend to have more ear infections because of that, because the gravity’s not pulling their tubes down. [00:49:37] Christina: [00:49:37] interesting. [00:49:38] Ashley: [00:49:38] So when you feed them like completely flat or whore, like horizontal. That liquid in there, you know, sinus cavity and everything. It’s just not draining properly or whatever that is. Maybe it’s like the suction. I’m not a hundred block. I’m not a doctor. I don’t know. I don’t even pretend to be able to describe exactly what happens. [00:49:57] But our pediatrician said basically [00:50:00] because you’re feeding him a flat, he’s laying flat. He’s, he’s more prone to ear infections. That way you got to like elevate him when you feed him. So, but he had an, he had a couple of ear infections, but then we got really sick and like we had, and that was in late February, early March. [00:50:18] I want to say it was like March 11th. It was like, or the week before we went into like a lockdown in California and we didn’t really even consider the fact that we might’ve had COVID. I had a cough for a while for like weeks after. And, uh, Jimmy had a whole bunch of, and it was weird too, because. When we took Wolfie to the pediatrician, she’s like, I would bet anything. [00:50:43] He has the flu, he has all the symptoms and she swapped him. They did a nose swab for the flu and she was like, huh, that’s so weird. He doesn’t have the flu. He’s negative for the flu. I don’t know what the, maybe it’s, [00:51:00] uh, maybe there’s something else going on at the time. There were just, no, there were no tests [00:51:04] Christina: [00:51:04] Right, [00:51:05] Ashley: [00:51:05] or no COVID tests, especially not for babies. [00:51:07] Christina: [00:51:07] Absolutely. [00:51:08] Ashley: [00:51:08] So we think it’s possible that maybe we got COVID like at the beginning of the pandemic. Uh, but if, if we didn’t, uh, then if we did not get it at the beginning, we have not contracted it since. [00:51:27] Christina: [00:51:27] Yeah, I’m in kind of a similar thing where I think that there’s, I feel like, I feel like grant, my husband might have had it because he had like the no nose taste thing. And he had like a pretty bad sick thing. And I came back from I’d been overseas. Um, I had two overseas trips, um, and, uh, I was in South Africa at the end of January. [00:51:48] And then I was in Australia and South Korea and Singapore in February. Um, and so, so, um, [00:51:57] Ashley: [00:51:57] Christina. For kicking off the pandemic you [00:52:00] [00:51:59] Christina: [00:51:59] exactly. Basically. Yeah. I was supposed to be in Zurich at like the first week of March and I was about to go to the airport and then they canceled and. [00:52:07] Ashley: [00:52:07] no. [00:52:08] Christina: [00:52:08] Well, and I was annoyed because I was going to go to London for the weekend. [00:52:10] First I was going to see Sarah Pirellis on the west end and waitress like her like final performance run and my friend and this his fault, he was the one who like, commits me. He was like, oh, just, just come early for the weekend. And it was actually going to be cheaper for me to fly to London and fly to Zurich and then fly back. [00:52:26] And He was the one who told me that the, the Zurich trip had been canceled. I was about to leave for the airport. I’m like, you’re an idiot. If you hadn’t told me this, I wouldn’t have realized until I was already at the airport, at which point I would have just flown to, I still would have flown to London. [00:52:40] Like at that point I’ve already checked in I’m in the lounge. Like, what do you want me to do? [00:52:44] Ashley: [00:52:44] Oh my [00:52:45] Christina: [00:52:45] You know what I mean? So I would have just gone to London and I would have been I would have been great, but because he told me I had to do the responsible thing and canceled my trip. He was a goat. Just, just, he was like, just go anyway. [00:52:54] I’m like, it’s like $5,000. Shoot. I’m not, I’m not doing that. Like if the company wants to pay it [00:53:00] cool. but like, I’m not, I’m not, [00:53:01] Ashley: [00:53:01] yeah, you don’t want to take that. [00:53:02] Christina: [00:53:02] I’m not paying that. Like I know. [00:53:05] Ashley: [00:53:05] You want to take that risk. [00:53:06] Christina: [00:53:06] No. Absolutely. So, um, I wasn’t even worried about getting sick. I was just like, you know, I was at a concert, uh, the day before they shut down New York city. [00:53:16] So, uh, that, that shows how, how seriously I was taking everything. Um, but, uh, but, but grant was Like I had a cold, I had like a runny nose, but I didn’t have a cough really. [00:53:28] Ashley: [00:53:28] symptoms with a capital S [00:53:30] Christina: [00:53:30] yeah. Except, I mean, I had a runny nose. I had a Colt, like, it didn’t feel like anything else. So if I did, it was minor, I think he might have, he didn’t get tested against the same thing as like, we didn’t have tests. [00:53:41] We didn’t know a whole lot of the stuff. So [00:53:43] Ashley: [00:53:43] even have known where to go to get a test. Like, I, it was just, well, yeah, we just were kind of like, oh yeah, there’s just this thing. That’s happening somewhere else. And then all of a sudden, like two days later, they’re just like, Hey everybody, we’re locking it down. And everybody go work from home indefinitely. [00:53:59] Christina: [00:53:59] so before we close [00:54:00] out, like they they’ve shut down LA again. [00:54:02] Ashley: [00:54:02] So we have, it’s not shut down. Um, everything’s still open. It’s just regardless of vaccination status in Los Angeles county, you should be masked when you’re indoors. So, um, outdoors is fine. Like there, I think, I think most of the data is pretty clear that it is very difficult to have outbreaks or transmission outdoors. [00:54:22] If you’re not literally just like yelling at each other’s faces for 15 minutes, like there are very rare instances of like true large outbreaks in, uh, non crowded outdoor settings. So it’s like, you know, if you go to the playground and there’s like one other kid there, as long as they’re not screaming at each other’s faces or licking each other, uh, it’s probably fine, but, you know, Hey, sometimes that happens. [00:54:44] So, um, but yeah, I think so. I it’s indoors is like the big one and they’re trying to stop the Delta variant, uh, which has sky we were doing so well in June. And then all of a sudden [00:54:55] Christina: [00:54:55] so well in June and then the Delta head and then it is bad. And [00:55:00] hopefully, I don’t know. My. [00:55:00] Ashley: [00:55:00] Please get vaccinated. [00:55:02] Christina: [00:55:02] That’s my whole thing. You get docs needed. Like anybody, like you keep hearing about like these young people who are about to be intubated and then lately like ask they’re like, can I get, can I get vaccinated? [00:55:10] And they’re like, it’s too late. [00:55:12] Ashley: [00:55:12] saw that article this morning too. [00:55:13] Christina: [00:55:13] yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying like, I saw that this morning and I was like, oh man, but also get [00:55:18] Ashley: [00:55:18] if you’re not sure, look, if you’re listening and you’re not sure. Okay. Which is like, I know I have family members who are still like, I don’t know. I’m going to wait and see, just talk to your doctor. Like don’t, don’t talk to, don’t talk to YouTube or Facebook friends. Like that’s not, or doctors on Facebook or YouTube. [00:55:38] Cause here’s the thing. Like those people are in it for clout. Like they’re, they’re doing it for engagement. Like I don’t, you know, Dr. Phil doesn’t do this because he’s a medical doctor doing things out of the goodness of his heart. Like [00:55:51] Christina: [00:55:51] no. he’s getting paid. [00:55:53] Ashley: [00:55:53] Yeah, he’s, he’s making a ton of money off of the fact that people out share outrageous things, whether they’re [00:56:00] outrageously good or bad, it doesn’t matter. [00:56:01] So, um, and very similar, like the internet is built on outrage culture. So maybe just like turn the internet off, make an appointment at your doctor’s office. And if you’re, if you’re not sure, just like ask your doctor all the questions that you have. Like that, that to me is like, you know, no one should, she didn’t do it, but you should definitely like talk to somebody you trust us. [00:56:24] You know, if your doctor says, you know what, it’s not a good idea for you. You have you’re immuno-compromised blah, blah, then, then don’t get it that then that’s fine. But like, you know, talk to your doctor, ask all the real questions that you have, have like, you know, ask all the real questions. [00:56:38] Christina: [00:56:38] Yeah, no, I agree with that Um, ask the real questions, but also at this point, like, uh, there was a great piece, I think, from Matthew Iglesias on his newsletter, his sub stack or whatever, where he was talking about things that we could do to get people to have more vaccines. And one of them is the FDA could just. [00:56:53] Prove it, and, [00:56:54] Ashley: [00:56:54] would be nice. [00:56:55] Christina: [00:56:55] I don’t think that that would prevent people who like, cause look, I think people who haven’t been [00:57:00] vaccinated already, I don’t think that FDA approval will go any further for that. Here’s what it will do. It can then enforce businesses and places to like, make people be vaccinated. If it’s FDA approved, it can also open up the door for more testing for people under 12. [00:57:15] So there are like a lot of things that could happen where I don’t think that like the people who were like in the stall where like I’m not putting this in my body camp. I don’t think that that would change it. I don’t think they’re going to be like, oh, the government says it’s safe. I believe it. right. [00:57:27] Cause I think they’re already, like, I don’t believe it, but if the, if the FDA has approved it. then there are other things that can happen. And I’m at this point, I’m, I’m all about like, And I’m, I’m a pretty strong, like first minute person. But, uh, and I get that this could be like freedom of religion or whatever, but this is a public health crisis and I’m pretty strongly being like, okay, for certain activities and whatnot, you need to, unless there is absolutely like a, a health reason why you can’t be vaccinated [00:57:56] Ashley: [00:57:56] mandate it. [00:57:56] Christina: [00:57:56] you ha it, you have to have it, like, if you want to do certain [00:58:00] activities. [00:58:00] Ashley: [00:58:00] we, we all have small pie. We, if you went to a public school and you’re our age, you you’ve had vaccines, you’ve had them. So I, again, like, I think you’re right in that, like the FDA could approve it and at least like legitimize the safety of it a little bit more for anybody who might be on the fence of being like, well, I’m waiting for that FDA approval. [00:58:20] Um, that’s fine. Like whatever, but you know, schools mandating it for kids over the age of 12. It’s like, You send your kid to public school is a public health crisis. [00:58:33] Christina: [00:58:33] exactly. [00:58:34] Ashley: [00:58:34] gotta, you have to just then decide like, this is not a situation where you get to sort of pick and choose and be like, well, you know, I don’t want my kid to be exposed. [00:58:43] You know, I’m not going to get them the smallpox vaccine because I don’t smallpox. Isn’t prevalent anymore. It’s like, no, no. There’s a reason for that. Like, this is the reason, the reason is the vaccine. [00:58:51] Christina: [00:58:51] It’s like, why do, why do you think measles and other things have like made these comebacks because people won’t vaccinate their fucking children. [00:58:57] Ashley: [00:58:57] won’t vaccinate their kids, man. And it’s like with public schools though, [00:59:00] it’s like, you have to, so you got to show proof of MMR and all this other stuff. [00:59:03] And I think California really kind of clamped down. There was a while where we kind of were sort of really Willy nilly about [00:59:11] Christina: [00:59:11] Yeah. I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say, I knew it’d be enforcement in [00:59:14] Ashley: [00:59:14] It was like very easy to get an exemption. And now it’s actually quite difficult. [00:59:18] Christina: [00:59:18] Well, that’s good. So, Yeah, [00:59:19] so I agree. And, but also, I mean, I think it would help employers too, right? Because I, you know, we had this thing like at, at Microsoft where, um, it’s completely voluntary and you don’t have to upload proof or anything, but you can sell the test if you’ve had the vaccine or not. [00:59:34] And if you’ve done that, then you don’t have to wear a mask indoors. Um, you do still have to take a health check every day before you enter the office. Like every single day before you enter the office. And It’s funny, like if you don’t you and you swipe your card in, like you get like a nasty email that like, is like, if you do not take this self test thing within 30 minutes, then you know, we will. [00:59:55] Like, if you, if you do it more than once, like they will revoke your card access. Like it can go all the way up to like, [01:00:00] like, it can be a real problem. So you still have to do that regardless, but you, you can do this thing where if you voluntarily like self attest, I’ve had the vaccine, then you don’t have to wear a mask and doors, which is great. [01:00:12] But I would be, I bet a lot more people were comfortable. Like I’m comfortable going in now. And, and it’s, it’s open and whatnot. And I don’t, I, I’m not worried. Um, I also don’t live with anybody who’s immunocompromised and I don’t have like children. So it’s, I’m in a different situation, but I would, I bet a lot of people will be way more comfortable if they’re like yeah. [01:00:30] The only people who were able to enter the office are people who’ve been vaccinated. Like, yeah. I’m, I’m, I’m good with that. [01:00:38] Ashley: [01:00:38] I like, I think I’d read this morning and this is the last thing I’ll say on it is like I had read this morning, somebody who had tweeted, if I’m wrong, all I have done is harmed myself. Right? Like I’ve just heard myself, right? It’s like, if I’m wrong in the vaccines are harmful or whatever, then I’ve just heard myself. [01:00:58] But if you’re wrong [01:01:00] person who, you know, refuses to get the vaccine, like you’re potentially responsible for hurting a lot more people. Like the potential there for harm is very high. And I think the one big thing that I wish we would do in LA, like this sort of yo-yoing back and forth between like masks, no masks, whatever. [01:01:18] Look, just do an outreach program where we put signs in towns, as you drive around, like near, near major parts of city centers that say when LA county reaches 85% vaccinate. Mask mandates or mask indoor mask mandates are lifted. Right? So it’s like, that’s it. And then you just, and then you can list, you can even on the sign, just say, go to city dot, you know, Los angeles.com or whatever the website is, or a QR code, or what have you that takes you directly to book a vaccine as a site. [01:01:49] That’s like, here’s your local vaccination places. Um, make it easy for people and also give them a visual to see like, oh man, like our city is so close to that [01:02:00] 85% threshold. Like let’s encourage people. We know locally, like this last bit of like percentages of people. There’s always going to be a percentage who doesn’t or can’t be vaccinated. [01:02:10] That’s fine. But there’s an encouragement on a local level that we just don’t really have. Um, I think at its most micro it’s on the county level, but it would be really nice on a city level to see like, oh man, like I didn’t realize that six, only 60% of people in our city are vaccinated. Like, gosh, that’s a lot lower than I thought. [01:02:35] Um, maybe I’ll maybe I’ll ask some fail, you know, some from neighbors or maybe I’ll get involved. Like I do think that there is something to be said for visually showing people like what their local community is doing. Um, and, and giving people the ability to see that and say, oh gosh, like, wow, that’s really low. [01:02:54] Maybe I’m going to rethink it. Um, maybe I’m going to go get it now. Like, or, or maybe okay. It’s time. I [01:03:00] I’ve decided I’m going to go get it. And I want to be part of that, you know, 85%. Cause I don’t want to wear a mask anymore and you know, Or I don’t want any more restrictions. So I just want to be part of that 85% just book the stupid appointment and get it over with, like, there are people like that out there. [01:03:15] And so I do think a visual would be incredibly helpful and also a baseline like LA county keeps saying like, well, it’s a percentage of people in the hospitals and how many new cases we have. And also it’s just like, no, like just, just set one number. Like it, just that one number, just like look, 85% of Los Angeles needs to be back. [01:03:34] Say it, period. That’s it. [01:03:36] Christina: [01:03:36] Yeah, no, I agree with you, Seattle, um, is, uh, at a 75.3% people fully vaccinated in king county. And, um, and they’ve done a good job and, and we had like the largest community, uh, run like max vaccination site, um, in the country and my volunteer there a couple of times. And I was, I was glad to do that. Uh they’ve since shut down the really [01:04:00] huge side of me, but they still have other, you know, sites open, but I agree with you, like, I think make it. [01:04:03] easy to do. Yeah, Yeah. So. [01:04:07] Ashley: [01:04:07] it’s all of the rest of it. I had read is like really on a local level with trusted members of the community participating. So it’s like churches, um, helping their, uh, you know, helping their flock, get vaccinated. It’s, uh, groups of people who meet, um, who might, you know, have a trusted leader in them or among them that can help them get their questions answered. [01:04:33] Uh, and do vaccine drives things like that are supposedly, you know, really helpful. I mean, in LA county, we haven’t even hit 70%. It’s 60, 69 0.9%. We’re very close to 70. Um, but, uh, yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah. [01:04:48] Christina: [01:04:48] I had to make the joke. [01:04:49] Ashley: [01:04:49] We only have 62% fully vaccinated right now in LA county. And that’s a bummer. [01:04:53] Christina: [01:04:53] That is a bummer. [01:04:54] Ashley: [01:04:54] a lot better than that. [01:04:55] And, um, but it’s about outreach. I mean, to me, it’s about outreach and it’s about, it’s [01:05:00] about allaying. People’s genuine concerns, right? Like that’s irrational stuff aside. Like that’s a whole other thing, but like there are people out there with genuine concerns. Like I know a lot of members of the black community have said I’ve seen, and I know the history of, you know, this, our own government has done things that are unethical to our community. [01:05:26] And so, no, I don’t, I, I’m not, I’m waiting, like I need more information. And like, I think that that is appropriate and that’s completely understandable. Like I’m not in that position, but I understand it. And so to me, it’s like, We should be out there or the medical community really should be out there, like going out of their way to answer people’s questions and, and cause they’ve, there are people who have genuine concerns and it’s just like, okay, well let’s, you know, you can’t just trust the CDC to like give the information or Dr. [01:05:55] Fowchee or whatever. It’s like, no, like this needs to be people they trust like trusted [01:06:00] people. They know that they see regularly their doctors, you know, they’re pastors, they’re, uh, you know, all these people that they see on a regular basis, like there are people who could give them better answers, um, to allay their concerns, their, their genuine and honest concerns. [01:06:18] Christina: [01:06:18] Agreed. [01:06:19] Ashley: [01:06:19] Should we shut up now? This is a long podcast. [01:06:21] Christina: [01:06:21] been long, but no, it’s been really good. I love talking to you as always Ashley, where can people find you online? [01:06:26] Ashley: [01:06:26] Oh, you know, I’m just a woman about the internet. You can come find me on Twitter. I’m at my I’m at my name on Twitter med Ashley’s. [01:06:33] Christina: [01:06:33] Ashley has got it on Twitter. Um, and, uh, you can, um, talk to her about games and, uh, uh, various tomfoolery entertainment, culture, or tech, all kinds of great stuff. Your Twitter is amazing. Thank you [01:06:45] Ashley: [01:06:45] you for that. So the highest compliment [01:06:47] Christina: [01:06:47] No, I love your Twitter so much. Thank you. Thank you so much for taking time out of your morning. And, um, despite being just like horrendously over tired for talking with me and filling in for Brett, we uh, we miss you Brett, but it’s all, it’s great to [01:07:00] [01:07:00] Ashley: [01:07:00] better. Brett, [01:07:01] Christina: [01:07:01] feel better. Brett, but [01:07:02] Ashley: [01:07:02] you to feel better. [01:07:03] Christina: [01:07:03] we do, but I’m also always secretly really glad to talk to you. So [01:07:08] Ashley: [01:07:08] I’m not even secret openly [01:07:10] Christina: [01:07:10] I’m like openly, just like excited to talk to you [01:07:12] Ashley: [01:07:12] and wantonly. Excited to talk to you. [01:07:15] Christina: [01:07:15] Yes. All right. All right. Well get some sleep, Ashley. [01:07:17] Ashley: [01:07:17] Thanks, bye. [01:07:19] Christina: [01:07:19] Bye.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 245 Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra. Brett, how are you? [00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] I am. I am good at for those, uh, for those tuning in for the first time we have a wild ride in store for you, uh, for our regular listeners. This is just going to be, you know, another week, but we’re winging it. We’re winging it. [00:00:26] Christina: [00:00:26] We’re winging it. No, you have a lot of lists of, of suffers to talk about. We’re not totally winging it. Like we’ve got stuff that we need to talk about. Um, the Emmy’s, uh, nominations just came out and. [00:00:36] Brett: [00:00:36] still happening? [00:00:38] Christina: [00:00:38] It is still happening? [00:00:39] and they’re going to be in person again, I’m guessing. And, but the Emmy nominations came out yesterday, but which actually fits in quite nicely because you have a bunch of TV shows on your list, but first, uh, let’s get a breadth mental health corner update. [00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] This depression has really stuck around like it’s it’s. This is, it’s [00:01:00] been over a week now, which is unusual for me in my more recent history. Like it used to like two weeks was just expected, but lately with like almost zero manic days and then just light depressions going on for more than a week is kind of a, it’s kind of a unusual. [00:01:18]Christina: [00:01:18] Yeah, that sucks. I’m really sorry to hear that. So, and, and it’s. For a week though, hasn’t it? Cause when we talked last week, it seemed like it had been a week. So [00:01:27] Brett: [00:01:27] it is. No, I don’t think it had been a whole week last week. I think, let me do some math in my head. I think I started feeling shitty around. Yeah. Yeah, right around the six or seven. So, so I think last time we talked, I was just starting to feel depressed. And now, now I’m like a seasoned professional. [00:01:51] I’ve been doing this for over a week and it’s weird. Like I’m. I’m not down. Like, I, I don’t hate myself. [00:02:00] The world doesn’t look dark. I’m actually pretty excited about a lot of things. And like, I, I wake up every morning with like ideas and, and like, I’ll make forward motion on work projects in my sleep, because I’ll be like super productive in my dream. [00:02:17] And then the day will start and all of my motivation just gets sucked out. And I just, I just stare at the screen and I mean, I’m getting shit done. Like I w it’s it’s, it’s typical ADHD thing where if there’s a deadline and there’s a little bit of pressure, I’m gold, like I’ll get there. No problem. Uh, as far as like anything else, especially creative pursuits, I’m just kind of I’m listless. [00:02:44] Christina: [00:02:44] years listless. Yeah. No, I feel that. That’s so true about the ADHD thing. And it’s hard for me sometimes to describe that the people who aren’t ADHD, because I’m like, no, I need a deadline, even if it’s arbitrary, because that’s the only way I can get this done. Like I had a meeting with someone. A [00:03:00] couple of weeks ago. And they were in the past side, I’d had a project that I worked on with them, with an Inn. Um, and I Totally. [00:03:06] understand why they were frustrated because, um, we wouldn’t start on time. And the reason we wouldn’t start on time is because I knew I could push and they were okay with pushing and like, they didn’t ever tell me, like, we need to do this. [00:03:17] And then I went and I started working on a similar project with another team and I was like, Hey, look, I had my stuff together. Like I hit that deadline. They’re like, Well, why was that different? I was like, Because there was a very clear deadline and I know that this is a you problem and not a me problem, but you have to like, hold me accountable because if I know that I can push, I will like, even if I’m ready, it’s just one of those things. it’s like, I don’t have the motivation to ensure that it’s there. If I know that I can wiggle, and I know that that’s like a selfish and a totally shitty and like awful [00:03:51] Brett: [00:03:51] but it’s just it’s reality. Like people, people ask me, like, I work with someone who’s ADHD, how do I get them to do their job? And [00:04:00] I’m like, just set deadline. You can tell them I’m setting this deadline just to help you. It can be arbitrary. [00:04:07] Christina: [00:04:07] Totally. [00:04:08] Brett: [00:04:08] be totally transparent. You don’t have to fake emergencies or anything. [00:04:11] You just have to say, I need this by this time. Can you get it done? And it will get done. [00:04:19] Christina: [00:04:19] Right, right. Yeah. That’s what I need. I’m one of, it’s one of those things where I’m just like, yeah, no, I need this too. I need to have this, this thing, you know? Um, because if it’s just up in the air, it’s never going to be the priority. [00:04:31] Brett: [00:04:31] Yes. I feel like anyone, anyone entering a management position should get like, just a brief how to work with ADHD employees. Cause it’s, it’s not, it’s not terribly difficult. You just have to understand that things are a little bit different. [00:04:47]Christina: [00:04:47] Yeah. Yeah, it’s totally one of those things, so, okay. So you’re a little depressed, um, but you’re getting, at least you’re able to get your, some of your work stuff done. Like even I’m not the creative pursuits. Cause I know that that was something you were worried about when you [00:05:00] took the new job, uh, in the back of your mind, you were worried about like, Okay. [00:05:03] well what happens when I get oppressed or what happens if I’m manic? [00:05:06] Like how am I going to be able to function. So I’m really heartened to hear that at least like you’re getting stuff done. Maybe you’re not as productive as you would want to be, but you’re able to get stuffed. [00:05:16] Brett: [00:05:16] Yeah. Yeah, I have, uh, our big, um, so our first big event since I started is the red bull. Machine learning lab. It’s like a hackathon almost for, uh, working with 50 years of F1 racing data, uh, red bull racing team. I should, I know I’ve said it before, but, um, and, and so I’m still in charge of writing. Writing the lab. [00:05:48] And as of this moment, I still have not been able to run it. Um, I just, they just refactored. Do you, have you ever worked with tariffs? [00:05:57] Christina: [00:05:57] I sure have. [00:05:59] Brett: [00:05:59] They [00:06:00] just refactored all of the Terraform scripts that I spent hours wrestling with and they’re supposed to work now. So I gave it a test run and it didn’t work. So right after this recording, I will be back on the phone with the Terraform experts, trying to figure out what, what is, what is up. [00:06:19] Christina: [00:06:19] No, that’s always the challenge. Like I liked Terraform align for our listeners. If they’re not familiar, Terraform is a language, basically. It’s kind of like Ansible, but it’s, it’s more language centric. Whereas Ansible is more like for, I guess, ops people, Terraform is more for like developers, but the idea is that rather than having to. Whatever syntax you would need for your specific API APIs or cloud service or whatever. You just use Terra forms, syntax, and you are able to write, you know, like scripts and other things to automate how to do a bunch of different tasks. And so the advantage of it is that it can work with a bunch of different things. [00:06:53] So you learn the Terraform language rather than learning like the domain specific language That your, your cloud [00:07:00] solution or product or whatever might use. [00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] That is a way better explanation than I could give at this point to me. Form is a very powerful thing that never works. [00:07:10] Christina: [00:07:10] Yeah. And the problem with it is that the way that it works, like if it works well, is that you have like these kind of like API APIs written to reflect one another. So if you’re using Azure, um, or, uh, insert Oracle in this case, like you would have like Oracle’s normal API thing and. Does Oracle have a domain specific language? [00:07:29] Like with Azure, we have PowerShell, but we also have some other stuff we have armed templates is one of the things that we really use. Um, you can use that with PowerShell, but arm templates are like our, our Jason thing. Does Oracle have like a native solution for writing stuff? [00:07:43] Brett: [00:07:43] I don’t know the answer to that question. [00:07:45] Christina: [00:07:45] Okay. Well, in the case of Azure, then. [00:07:48]There are ways that you can work with the Azure API using arm templates. And now there’s a new thing called bicep, which is actually pretty great. I love it right. That good. Um, and, and that [00:08:00] actually uses a slightly different, uh, domain specific languages. It’s like an enhanced version. And it’s kind of like the future of arm templates. [00:08:06] Like arm templates will still exist, but, but, but bicep is, um, a little bit, uh, uh, has some, um, better features is a little more extensible. Um, uh, ultimately it’s all going to be like, Program down to arm templates, but it makes it easier than having to know some of the nuances of, of arm templates. But how Terraform works is that like the API is, have kind of like a one-to-one kind of ratio. [00:08:29] So it was like, okay, this is how you would do something in arm templates. This is how you do it in Terraform. And ideally the API is need to have like need to reflect one another so that when I’m writing in Terraform is going to actually do the thing that it would need to do in, in an arm template sometimes. [00:08:45] That does not work. And like we have teams of people who work very closely with Terraform, like who their whole job is to make sure that the, the arm shit, like it works with the Terraform language. But sometimes it doesn’t because there are [00:09:00] just enough different nuances that when that translation happens, which the user to be clear should never have to think about. [00:09:06] They should just be thinking I’m writing the script and that this is going to execute the way I need it to. But for whatever reason, It, you know, the, the API translation doesn’t work and, and you, you wind up in pain? [00:09:18] Brett: [00:09:18] Can I tell you how I got distracted just now. [00:09:21] Christina: [00:09:21] Yes. [00:09:22] Brett: [00:09:22] So the arm bicep thing. That was funny. And my brain immediately thought, what if you made a super strict version of the mustache, like handlebars templating language and called it Hitler. [00:09:35]Christina: [00:09:35] Oh my God. Well, [00:09:37] Brett: [00:09:37] I wrote, I wrote this whole template in Hitler. [00:09:40]Christina: [00:09:40] I mean, that’s one way to guarantee canceling. It’s hilarious, but that’s one way to guarantee cancellation. I would say I would, I would say that rather than calling it Hitler, the appropriate name would be chaplain. [00:09:52] Brett: [00:09:52] I suppose, but that would be like a comedic take. [00:09:55]Christina: [00:09:55] I agree. I agree. [00:09:57] Brett: [00:09:57] Could we, can we, can we, can we like split the [00:10:00] difference in call it stolen? Like that’s a big mustache right there. [00:10:05] Christina: [00:10:05] That’s true. And actually that would fit better than the yeah. Cause both the solid and Hitler don’t have handlebars. [00:10:10] Brett: [00:10:10] Right. That’s the thing is like handlebars was a variation on, on mustache, but you could make a different ver like a slimmer [00:10:19] Christina: [00:10:19] Okay. I [00:10:20] Brett: [00:10:20] templating language. [00:10:21] Christina: [00:10:21] yeah. No. Now I get what you’re saying. Okay. Yeah, no, that’s funny. That works. But. [00:10:25]Brett: [00:10:25] Okay. [00:10:26] Christina: [00:10:26] Okay. I mean, I’m laughing. Um, I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but I also think that that would be just like asking for people to be outraged for no reason. [00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] I am not going to ask our listeners to write in about this because I know full well, it’s a bad idea. I don’t need to be told. [00:10:43] Christina: [00:10:43] Yeah, don’t, don’t write in about it. We know it’s bad. Um, also as much as we encourage iTunes reviews or apple podcast reviews, please don’t mention Hitler in our podcast reviews. If I can like make one request [00:10:55] Brett: [00:10:55] I was totally into this podcast until they started talking about Hitler. [00:11:00] [00:10:59] Christina: [00:10:59] I was going to say, cause something tells me that that like, won’t do well for us. I mean, maybe it will, I don’t know. I’m not going to tell you what to do. It’s your life, whatever. [00:11:07] Brett: [00:11:07] Um, so how are you mentally? [00:11:10] Christina: [00:11:10] Um, I’m okay. I’ve still, I’ve been kind of depressed honestly for like the last year, but I’m, I’m doing like I’m functional. It’s just kind of like a, always there thing. It’s like not debilitating. It’s just kind of like ha thing. [00:11:24] Brett: [00:11:24] Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get that. What’s the languishing that, that was the, that was the fun word that came out of the pandemic. [00:11:34] Christina: [00:11:34] Yeah. Languishing, which I think is. Very accurate. Definitely feels like that. I am, I am excited. Uh, I guess in like 10 days, I’m going to, um, and we’ll need to figure out like our old figure out recording time is fine, but I’m going to know, and actually I’m leaving on a Friday. I’ll be back on like a Monday. [00:11:51] So we find, but I’m going to Colorado to see the band Guster at a red rock Samford theater. Look, I know you’re laughing. [00:12:00] I love Gusto. [00:12:00] Brett: [00:12:00] No, I am not criticizing your, your musical tastes at all. Amused that you’re young enough to actually want to go to concerts at all. Like, I feel like I might show up for like K Flay or like black rebel motorcycle club, but it would take a lot for me to actually want to go to a concert. Anyway, [00:12:25] Christina: [00:12:25] get, no, [00:12:26] Brett: [00:12:26] you can continue your story. [00:12:27] I didn’t mean to. [00:12:28] Christina: [00:12:28] No, it’s okay. I don’t know if it’s a youth thing, actually, the guy, my friend that I’m going with. Uh, he’s your age. So actually I think he’s older than you. So, um, [00:12:37] Brett: [00:12:37] 60. [00:12:38] Christina: [00:12:38] no, he’s like 45. [00:12:40] Brett: [00:12:40] Oh, that is my age. [00:12:42] Christina: [00:12:42] Yeah. So, um, he’s, uh, We’re going to, they’re both excited, but I love live music. I know that it’s not for everybody, but for me, that was the last thing that I did before the world ended. [00:12:53] I was at a dashboard confessional concert, which is hysterical. Um, but yeah, no I’m going, I’ve never been to red rock [00:13:00] before and I bet I’ve seen. Yeah. [00:13:01] Brett: [00:13:01] Wait red rock, New Mexico. [00:13:03] Christina: [00:13:03] No red rock amphitheater in, um, in Colorado is like just outside of Denver. So, but it’s like this huge like venue, apparently. It’s amazing. I’ve heard so many recordings from, from red rocks and, um, but I’ve never been there. [00:13:14] Um, so I’m going to Guster, um, in like 10 days and then. Um, in September, I’m actually going back. I’m going there again, but that’s, I’m, I’m going for death cab for cutie that I’m like, I’m so pumped about, like I’m so hype about seeing death cab at, at red rocks. Like that’s going to be amazing. So. [00:13:34] Brett: [00:13:34] Okay. Man, I just, I just, I can’t fathom wanting to go to a library. [00:13:39]Christina: [00:13:39] I don’t know. I mean, and it’s it’s, well, it always varies like what the things are like, this is an outdoor venue, so I’ve, haven’t ever been here, but I’m guessing that it’s similar to the Hollywood bowl, um, which is, I think smaller than, than red rocks, but it’s kind of a similar thing where you have like, this really. [00:13:54] Outdoor amphitheater. And, and you have like some, uh, you know, uh, science seating areas. And sometimes like it’s [00:14:00] kind of general stuff. I mean, there might be some grassy areas, but it’s not like everybody’s standing. Um, which is nice, right? Like, cause I’ve definitely been to live shows and, and like, um, I mean, it’s been a while, but I’ve been to like, uh, like festivals where, you know, you’re basically standing in the crowd and, and that, um, The older, I get the less, like I’m totally down to stand inside a venue. [00:14:21] Like I’m totally fine. Without a stand inside of club, I’m less inclined to like, like if I were to do Coachella again, I would definitely need to like clamp. I would definitely need to like, try to do like the rich person Coachella, even though I’m not a rich person, I would need to like dig into my funds. [00:14:38] Try to do like the pseudo rich person Coachella, because I don’t think that I could do like the, the masses Coachella that I did when I was in college. Cause I used to do Bonnaroo and I used to go Chella and college and that, I don’t think I could do that again. [00:14:51] Brett: [00:14:51] I just realized why I no longer like going to live shows. I was, I was thinking I used to love live music. Why, what [00:15:00] was different then? It’s because I stopped drinking and doing drugs, like getting through a live show. I’m like crowds. I hate crowds, but I can do it. Yeah. If I have, if I’m a little buzzed, like crowds can be fun. [00:15:12] I can actually enjoy other people if you get enough booze in me. But without it, man, that’s torture for me. [00:15:18]Christina: [00:15:18] No, that’s that’s um, that actually makes complete sense because if I were in a situation where I could not drink. Ever at like a live show. Not that I have to have it, but it is one of those nice things, right? Like that would not be, and that would definitely make it much less fun. Also. There are a lot of people who are in many cases, inebriated around you. [00:15:40] Um, [00:15:41] Brett: [00:15:41] which makes it even less fun to be sober. [00:15:43] Christina: [00:15:43] 100%. Well, I it’s funny. Cause I used to have the inverse. I used to have a rule. Well, it’s kind of the same, but I used to have a rule. Um, again, this is when I was in college where I was. There was a certain point when I was like, I’m I refuse to go to all ages shows because [00:16:00] I like the, the teens, like the under age people. [00:16:03] And I’m a total hypocrite, cause I was only a couple of years removed from that myself. But I was like, I, I cannot be around this many and drunk like excitable people. Like I, I need booze and sometimes they wouldn’t even sell it. Like sometimes they would, but sometimes they witnessed. You can’t take this, you know, like on like the floor and I’m like, whoa, I can’t deal with this many, you know, like screaming and yelling, like excited people. [00:16:29] If I, don’t have alcohol in my system. [00:16:32] Brett: [00:16:32] I, uh, I grew up, uh, well, I should say I went to high school in, uh, in a small town in Minnesota where I once, once again live, but, uh, about half hour drive down the river. There’s a city called lacrosse, Wisconsin. And they have this venue called the warehouse and the warehouse has always been an all ages. [00:16:53] No, no alcohol, no drugs venue. Like they sell water and energy drinks and that’s it. But I got to [00:17:00] say like some of my best concert experiences happen. Like totally sober in a group of all. I mean, not everyone showed up sober, but you couldn’t get drunk there. And like, man, those kids had fun. If they still have fun, that place has been around for like 30 years now. [00:17:19] And it is like, it’s where kids go when they like, have it keeps kids off the street, let’s put it that way. I love that place. [00:17:27] Christina: [00:17:27] no. Yeah. That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Yeah. I, um, I didn’t grow up in a small town and we didn’t have this kind of local things. Like we had to go to the city. We had to go to It To go to the clubs and the music venues and stuff like in, in the suburb where I was like, sometimes you would have bigger bands come to like some of like, I guess the music venues or whatever, but you didn’t have smaller places where people could go. [00:17:49] So like you always for the clubs and stuff, we always had to go into the city always, but that wasn’t far away, you know? Um, but it’s nice that there are places like that, you know, for the [00:18:00] youth, people that fun, I think. [00:18:01] Brett: [00:18:01] and like first avenue in Minneapolis has a seventh street entry. That was always all ages shows. It’s like, I don’t know how much attraction it would have for me. Now, but I know that having places like that to go when it was not legal for me to drink yet was pretty. That was awesome. [00:18:23] Christina: [00:18:23] Yeah. [00:18:23] Brett: [00:18:23] sorry. [00:18:23] I didn’t, I, I’m not your statement about not wanting to be at all. Ages. Clubs just reminded me how much I personally loved all ages clubs. I’m not like I’m not upset with your statement. [00:18:36] Christina: [00:18:36] no. Well here, but there’s a difference. Like I think that, and again, like when you’re that age, when you’re under age, I think having an all ages thing is really important. I think when you’re like 21 or 22, it’s less important [00:18:48] Brett: [00:18:48] Agreed. [00:18:49] Christina: [00:18:49] that that’s, that’s my only [00:18:50] Brett: [00:18:50] and, and like I was saying, I, I really apparently hate going to concerts, sober, sober these days. So I, I hear what you’re saying. [00:18:59] Christina: [00:18:59] Yeah. So, yeah, [00:19:00] I think we’re kind of saying, but yeah, but definitely at that age, like if we’d had the all ages experiences, I mean, there were some bands, like when I, when I stopped saved the day when I was like in 11th grade, um, some of the places were definitely all ages clubs, although in most cases, Or I was certainly using fake IDs. [00:19:18] Um, and it was like 18 and up. So it was, you know, not quite all ages, but certainly not like as strict as like a 21 and up thing. Um, and I did, I didn’t pass for 21. All those. Sometimes you could talk your way through that, but I had a fake ID that said I was, I was 18. Um, so like that, that word. [00:19:41]Brett: [00:19:41] Yeah, they used to, uh, they used to accept, you could get into first avenue with a license with the corner clipped off. Like they wouldn’t, they didn’t care that you would just tell them that, like you hadn’t renewed it yet and they would overlook it. You know how, [00:20:00] like, when you, when you renew your license, they clip the corner of your old license and it’s not supposed to be valid anymore. [00:20:05] So we never even had to get paid licenses. We would just borrow or like [00:20:10] Christina: [00:20:10] You would just get somebody who you would just get somebody who looks enough like you. [00:20:13] Brett: [00:20:13] Yeah. I mean, it depends on who’s at the door that [00:20:17] Christina: [00:20:17] Well, that that’s always what it is. It always depends on who’s at the door because there were plenty of times when I didn’t even ha there were, there were times when I would go places where I wouldn’t even use my fake, I would use my real one. Um, and at one point, my fake was me putting white out on my real one. [00:20:34] And that worked for years. [00:20:35] Brett: [00:20:35] Okay. [00:20:36] Christina: [00:20:36] Um, I was actually drunk in Daytona, always a good time. Uh, I was at a [00:20:43] Brett: [00:20:43] the sounds like the name of a, a bad, a hangover sequel, maybe [00:20:49] Christina: [00:20:49] It kind of does junk and Daytona. So I’m 20 years old. I’m at a fraternity formal. So it’s already just trash, you know, uh, cause it’s fraternity formal in Daytona. Like that was our [00:21:00] destination, like real classy and, um, After the formal, like we all decided to go out and, and continue drinking. Um, like they weren’t supposed to have alcohol like active in, in the ballroom, but of course we all pregame in our hotels and had other stuff. [00:21:14] And so, and, and I was 20, but my boyfriend was 21 and, um, One of his frat brothers wanted to get a tattoo and he agreed to pay for mine because he wanted someone to go with them. So we went and I got a tattoo. Um, and then my boyfriend got mad because that meant we couldn’t have sex in the hot tub. And I was like, I wasn’t gonna Have sex with you in the hot tub because that’s gross. [00:21:33] And I don’t know what has been in this hotel, hot tub. [00:21:37] Brett: [00:21:37] you ever had sex in a. [00:21:39]Christina: [00:21:39] no. [00:21:40] Brett: [00:21:40] is. It’s horrible. Everything about it is horrible. [00:21:43] Christina: [00:21:43] It feels like, especially as a woman, it feels like it would just be painful So, no, I haven’t, I haven’t. [00:21:48] Brett: [00:21:48] everybody. Believe me. [00:21:49] Christina: [00:21:49] I mean, I haven’t water and I don’t like it. So I, this was always like one of those things. I was like, I’m not doing this, but anyway, we went and we got the tattoo and we were already a little [00:22:00] drunk, so they shouldn’t have tattooed us, but mine turned out great. [00:22:03] Um, uh, the frat guys who paid for mine was crooked, which was typical for that guy. And then we decided to go kind of bar to bar. And so we were walking. We went to one place and this all drunk. I am like, I’m getting jello shots and I’m like missing my mouth. And it’s like, the jello was like hitting like the bar and I’m having to like scoop it up and take them. [00:22:23] She looks at my ID. She clearly sees that it’s fake. She scratches off the whiteout still serves me, but then pass me the ID. It’s looking like a date or realize that we’re walking. I think at one point we went to, like, we like took a Ferris wheel. We were like at some sort of, I don’t even know. All I know is we got pulled over by the cops for drunk walking. [00:22:42] They they’re the cops because we’re, we’re white and it’s Daytona. They’re like, just get a cap. So they called us a cab and we took a cab to take us to more bars, to continue to get more drunk. So we were too intoxicated to walk, but completely fine for us to just continue [00:23:00] our way along to two different bars. [00:23:02] Um, and, uh, then we wound up, uh, I don’t even know that. I mean, I woke up in my bed, I think. Oh, no, that was, that was, that was a different trip where, uh, our friends passed out on a bench outside that that happened at a different location. But in this case, I think everybody made it to bed, uh, correctly, but Yeah. [00:23:21] Um, that’s, that’s my, that’s how my, my fake ID did worked for years. The white out was removed because the girl in Daytona like saw it and clearly it, and she clearly saw that I was like shit faced, but continued serving me. So props to her on it. [00:23:37] Brett: [00:23:37] You have such great white girl stories. [00:23:39] Christina: [00:23:39] I really do. I should like write a book about them basic bitch for life. The basic bitch clinicals. [00:23:46] Brett: [00:23:46] we have, uh, we have a new iTunes review. You want to. [00:23:49] Christina: [00:23:49] I do. [00:23:50] Brett: [00:23:50] It’s short and sweet. It’s from Chris knows Chris, Chris snow, Chris, Chris snow. Uh, it it’s labeled one of my favorites. Five [00:24:00] stars. You’re both wonderful. And one of the highlights of my podcast feed quickly made it onto my must listen list. [00:24:07] Christina: [00:24:07] Aw. [00:24:07] Brett: [00:24:07] That’s how we, that’s how we do it. [00:24:09] And that’s how we do it. And thanks. Thanks Chris. [00:24:12] Christina: [00:24:12] Thank you, Chris. [00:24:13] Now I appreciate that. Um, and we’ve got a sponsor this week, too. [00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] We do. And I’m super excited. I have been saying for years that these people, these people should sponsor me. Um, because I have been a huge proponent to the extent that I use my affiliate link when I talk about them and I do not actually have to pay for the service for another two years, I have so many. [00:24:40]Signups from people that like loved it and paid for it. And then I got credit for it and yeah, no. Right. That sounded weird. I should say I would 100% be paying for this if I had to. But so this week’s sponsor is SaneBox, [00:25:00] which is, uh, the, the crux of my entire system for handling email. Um, inbox zero is a thing of the past. [00:25:08] We’re also in an inundated with email now that it’s no longer about responding to everything. It’s about responding only to the important things, the messages that truly matter. And that’s where SaneBox comes in. Think of it as an EMT for your email as messages flow in SaneBox does the triage. Sifting only the important emails into your inbox and directing all other distracting stuff into your same later folder. [00:25:33] So you know what messages to pay attention to now and what stuff you can get to later on. And you can add other features like, uh, there’s one that takes your. Email messages scans them for large attachments, moods attachments over a certain size to Dropbox and replaces it with a link in the email. So you’re not filling your inbox with a bunch of huge attachments. [00:25:57] It saves me over the years, gigabytes of space [00:26:00] on my Gmail account, and it works with both g-mail and iCloud. And it also works. There’s nifty features like sane black hole, where you can drag messages from annoying centers. You never want to hear. And, uh, in the future, anything they send, you just disappears, not even into your trash, there’s just gone. [00:26:17] And then there’s sane reminders. Uh, you can have it ping you if, uh, if someone hasn’t replied to your email by a certain date and best of all, you can use SaneBox with any email client or phone, anywhere you check your email, you can even make custom sane box. Uh, I have one called sane, annoying shit. I still need to see. [00:26:39] And if I get an email in my inbox, but I just, I, I just can’t deal with it right now, but I don’t want the unread message in my inbox. I just move it into that folder. And three hours later, it’ll put it back in. My inbox has an unread message. So it’s like, it’s a way to just snooze. A message [00:27:00] for a given period of time. [00:27:01] Uh, and, and the nice thing about that, like, I can do that with, uh, with my spouse. Email on my phone. And, uh, and you can do that with the spark client on Mac, as well as others. But this gives you one way to snooze messages that works across all your devices, all of your email accounts, and, uh, makes it really easy to work into something like mail mate, which is what I prefer using for my email. [00:27:27] So see how SaneBox can magically remove distractions from your inbox with a free two week trial and yeah. If you visit sanebox.com/overtired, you get $25 credit in addition to your two free weeks. So just visit sanebox.com/overtired that’s S a N E B O x.com/overtired. To get your free trial started and get a $25 credit, no coupon code to enter. [00:27:59] Just [00:28:00] follow that link and you’re golden. [00:28:02]Christina: [00:28:02] That’s awesome. Um, I I’ve been reading, like you’ve been telling me about this for years. I think I’m actually gonna sign up because. It’s. Yeah. I, I I’ve always been turned off by the inbox zero thing, mostly just cause I can’t commit to that, but that sounds really, really good. [00:28:18] Brett: [00:28:18] So I have this whole, I have this whole system where I use, I don’t actually use any real email folders. I use smart folders and basically AICPA message has been read and is older than three. Just disappears from my mailbox and like, meanwhile, it’s all still in my actual inbox or in my same later folder. [00:28:41] But I don’t see anything. So if I don’t act on a message within three days, I’ll lose it, which makes me either respond to turn it into a, like an Omni focused task or just delete it, you know, like I have to deal with it then, or, or I lose it, which [00:29:00] has basically my inbox never has more than maybe five unread messages. [00:29:05]Christina: [00:29:05] See, that’s great. Cause I ended up missing stuff because mine just becomes overwhelming and, and then I just end up not going there. So I’m okay. Um, I’m going to do the free trial and try that. [00:29:17] Brett: [00:29:17] You’re going to love it. Everybody loves it. It’s awesome. So I was, I was telling you a while ago that I was getting back into cyber punk. [00:29:27] Christina: [00:29:27] Yeah. [00:29:28] Brett: [00:29:28] And I went through like all of the early William Gibson novels and everything, and then got around to snow crash. And I don’t remember if you’ve ever read snow crash. [00:29:40]It is like I had forgotten how funny Stephenson is. I had forgotten like the, all of the tongue. And I mean, I remembered that the main characters name is Hiro protagonist, which should have been a clue that this was all tongue in cheek. [00:29:56] Christina: [00:29:56] Yeah. [00:29:57] Brett: [00:29:57] But, oh my God, this book is so [00:30:00] good. I’m so in love with, and I’m remembering, like, I remember all the parts of it and I had forgotten, I had forgotten how much I remembered about this book, but it is just a delight to go back through it now. [00:30:11] Christina: [00:30:11] Yeah. I think that like, that’s, it’s considered like one of like the quintessential. Like snow crash, like cyber [00:30:17] Brett: [00:30:17] Yeah. [00:30:17] Christina: [00:30:17] books, right? Like it’s basically like, like the quintessential one. Um, yeah, I think, uh, grant, when we first started dating, um, he would read like parts of it to me and, and then I ended up reading it and no, it’s, it’s a great book. [00:30:28] I should go back and revisit it. [00:30:30]Brett: [00:30:30] I’m doing, uh, I’m doing fall or Dodge and hell, like that’s the full title, fall or Dodge in hell. Um, that’s up next. And I have read that one before, but I honestly can’t remember at all what it’s about. Uh, but I’m definitely going to go on a Neal Stephenson kick for awhile here. [00:30:46]Christina: [00:30:46] Yeah. And there’s, uh, there wasn’t, there really isn’t there a TV show or is there going to be a TV show or movie or something? [00:30:53] Brett: [00:30:53] I, I do remember seeing something about snow crash, um, [00:31:00] at some point in the last few years, but I don’t remember what it was or if anything ever actually came of it, it would make such a good, uh, it would make a great mini-series. [00:31:12]Christina: [00:31:12] Yeah, I agree. Um, it, it really would. Yeah. I’m trying to figure out like, if it, if it’s happened or not, because yeah. Apparently HBO, max did option something, but I’m not sure if it’s come out or not. [00:31:26] Brett: [00:31:26] of optioning things. Have you ever read Lizzy story by Stephen King? [00:31:31]Christina: [00:31:31] I don’t think that I have. [00:31:33] Brett: [00:31:33] It is, in my opinion, I like I was turned onto it by someone whose literary prowess, I respect. And like, I wasn’t a big Stephen King fan. Like I read a couple of books, they were scary. Uh, he’s a clever writer, whatever. Um, but then I read Lissy story and honestly, I think it. [00:31:52] Best like literary achievement, that stories crazy good. And apple TV plus [00:32:00] turned it into a mini series and, and it is, he’s a true Testament to both Stephen King’s writing and the production team for the show that it looks almost exactly like what I saw in my head when I read it. [00:32:17]Christina: [00:32:17] I love that. Okay. So, so that’s exciting. Okay. So I’m going to read it. [00:32:21] and then watch it. Um, and, and if you say that you think is like the best Stephen King thing, even if you haven’t historically been a fan, like he’s a great writer. Like I think even if people don’t like his stuff, like he’s a great writer. [00:32:34] Like his book on writing, I think is the. Best book about writing that I’ve ever read. Um, and, and he’s just a fantastic writer. So if you say that this is, um, his best work, then I’m definitely going to get this. [00:32:50] Brett: [00:32:50] I could not put it down. It was, it’s such a good book. [00:32:54]Christina: [00:32:54] Um, I’m going to get it. Is there an audible version? [00:32:57] Brett: [00:32:57] Yeah. [00:32:58]Christina: [00:32:58] Perfect. [00:32:59] Brett: [00:32:59] at least I’m [00:33:00] pretty sure there is. I actually read the paperbacks, so I can’t be certain, but I’m pretty. [00:33:05] Christina: [00:33:05] I’m sure that there is, I mean, Stephen King, but, uh, I’ll figure it out. Um, even if, even if there’s not like I, cause I do sometimes like to switch between both reading and listening, if I can. Um, like that’s my favorite way of getting through. So, um, we also have kind of, kind of speaking of apple TV, that’s a good segue. [00:33:24] Uh, Ted lasso is on the line. Um, are you watching that again? [00:33:28] Brett: [00:33:28] It’s N it’s no, the new season starts like three days after my birthday, which is Monday. So like next Friday, I think the new season of Ted lasso comes and I am terribly excited about it. [00:33:43] Christina: [00:33:43] I’m I am so excited about it. And actually yesterday, uh, as we were recording this on a, on a Wednesday and on Tuesday, the Emmy nominations came out and it. [00:33:51] was nominated for, um, a bunch of Emmys. [00:33:55] Brett: [00:33:55] It better be. It’s [00:33:56] Christina: [00:33:56] Yeah, As I said, like, it was, it was nominated for a bunch of Emmys. And I think that [00:34:00] it’s in contender, like I think he’s probably definitely gonna win a best actor in a comedy series. [00:34:04] Um, and, and I think that it is a strong contender to win best comedy series. I think that, that it is, uh, like, cause at one of the golden globe and, and when this came out last year, I was like, this should be the like, uh, The contender and like, it is, it is my pick. I’m still, um, it’s weird though, because some of the stuff that was nominated, like the flight attendant was nominated as best comedy, which. [00:34:32] Brett: [00:34:32] so that it killed me the description of the flight attendant. When I first started watching, it said, uh, like a thrilling comment. And the whole time through it, I was trying to figure out what exactly was comedic about this show. And it was a great show. I loved it, but it was not a comedy. And I do not understand how it got classified as such. [00:34:53]Christina: [00:34:53] Yeah. I, I mean, they submitted it themselves and I guess, because they maybe thought That they’d have a better chance in the [00:35:00] comedy versus kind of the drama category, but it really like, it just, it doesn’t, it doesn’t fit for me. Um, Emily and Paris was also nominated as comedy and I’m like, okay. Like, [00:35:10] Brett: [00:35:10] show sucked. [00:35:12] Christina: [00:35:12] I mean, I watched It I didn’t like it, but I [00:35:14] Brett: [00:35:14] It was this, it was designed for people to watch while playing on their phones. Like it was a background TV show. [00:35:22] Christina: [00:35:22] 100%. And I love Darren star, like Darren star created sex in the city, which I still think holds up like a lot of people don’t I still think it holds up is all a bit perfect. No, no show from 20 years ago is perfect. So fuck off. But I still think it holds up and I’m, I’m excited about the, um, like kind of continuation. [00:35:38] That’s going to be happening in a few months, um, even without, uh, Kim control, um, which, you know, it’s disappointing, but it is what it is, but Emily and Paris. Yeah. [00:35:47] It’s total background TV show. But, uh, get Ted lasso. Apparently it one, it broke some sort of record, more shows were nominated for it, for him. [00:35:55]And how many for more remedies, but I guess it broke some sort of record cause like one division [00:36:00] was not made for 23 as with some other show. And then, um, I think the Mandalorian was nominated for like 24 or something, but it was nominated for a 20 eminent, um, Emmy nominations, um, including nods for best comedy series, best actor in a comedy series versus daycare speced supporting actress in a comedy series for Hannah wanting him and Juno temples. [00:36:20] So two in that category, best supporting actor in a comedy. Brett Goldstein, Brennan hunt, Nick Mohammad and Jeremy swift shit. So they basically like ran out that whole category, um, which is amazing. Um, and, uh, that’s, that’s pretty great. Um, so I’m excited about that. There’s also a really good profile in GQ this month. [00:36:46] It came out yesterday. They timed it to, I mean, nomination. About Jason’s Degas and the headline is Jason Sudeikis is having one hell of a year. And, um, it kind of talks about how like the last year has been hard on him. You know, his, [00:37:00] his relationship of, of a number of years, um, ended and, um, You know, but he’s also had all this success with his show and, uh, it’s a, it’s a really good profile. [00:37:11] And one of the things that he kind of says in it is that he wants to be an Avenger. Let me find the exact quote. Um, he says, if you have the, you have the opportunity to hit a rock button, however you define that you can become 412 bones or you can land like an Avenger. I personally have chosen to land like an adventure. [00:37:29]Brett: [00:37:29] Did you see the blood? Yeah. [00:37:31] Christina: [00:37:31] I haven’t seen it yet. Um, but I I’m going to, um, abide by basically know all the spoilers about it. What do you think. [00:37:39] Brett: [00:37:39] Uh, it was, I believe. Said it best. It was, it was too little too late for black widow. And the movie basically served to introduce a new female character. Um, and I won’t, I won’t do spoilers because it’s, it’s a brand new and I don’t expect everyone to have seen it yet. Yeah. But, [00:38:00] um, it like, it was great. [00:38:02] Yeah. It was funny. It was, it was fun. Action. Uh, Scarlett Johannson did an excellent job, but her character is already dead, you know, like in the, in the [00:38:11] Christina: [00:38:11] no exactly. In Canada. No, it’s, it’s terrible. [00:38:13] Brett: [00:38:13] are you going to go with it? We already know how this one ends, [00:38:17] Christina: [00:38:17] which is so shitty. I don’t know. I, um, allow me to go on like a very brief rant on this for a second. Okay. [00:38:24] So I’m not saying that black widow hasn’t had problems now has been problematic and what not. I don’t care. And, and that people like, and don’t like Scarlett Johannson. I don’t care. It’s so shitty to me that you have someone who’s literally been there from the beginning of the whole MCU. [00:38:40] Like she joined in iron man too. So I think she, other than Robert Downey Jr. Has been in the most films and has been in the most kind of things you want. 10 years, more than 10 years, you wait like 12 years, um, to give her her own fucking film, which is [00:39:00] ridiculous. You only do it after you’ve killed off the character. [00:39:03] When the character didn’t even need to die in end game, which is what’s so frustrating, right? We’ll fucking let Hawkeye die. Like no one gives a shit about Jeremy barter, Right. [00:39:11] Like fucking let Hawkeye die. But like you kill off the one in the O G and for many years, the only like female, like badass in this entire genre. [00:39:21] Yeah. Everybody else gets their movies. Like you fucking bring, like, find a way to bring Spider-Man into the MCU before you give black widow one. And it’s disgusting to me. And then when you finally do it, I get the pandemic like that couldn’t have been helped, but they had all these multiple delays even before the pandemic and like pushing it, you know, for other things and whatnot. [00:39:41] Um, you then do this thing and it, it seems to have gone well, but like they did what I thought was kind of disrespectful to do this, like dual release on both, you know, theaters and on Disney plus, because although the box office has been good, like to me, that was hedging their bets in a way that I was. [00:39:56] Okay. You’re really not encouraging people to go to the theaters. Like you’re really [00:40:00] just kind of treating this like any other Disney plus release and like, this is black widow. This is an actress who. Whatever people think of her. She’s a very good actress. She’s Oscar nominated. She’s given up 12, 13 years of her career to this fucking franchise. [00:40:15] You use her face in your goddamn logo. You’ve treated the character like shit. And then the whole way that they didn’t even bother to do, like as hardcore of a marketing push, in my opinion, for black widow, as they did for the fucking low-key TV show, like it’s just disrespectful. It’s just like, [00:40:32]Brett: [00:40:32] I agree. I really do. Um, there were [00:40:36] Christina: [00:40:36] score shows deserves better. [00:40:37] Brett: [00:40:37] there were some great lines in the movie though. Uh, where her sister who was another widow, um, she, uh, she, she, she makes endless fun of, uh, black widows love of superhero poses. Hold the hair flipping and the superhero landings and everything. It’s that’s, it’s pretty funny, but [00:41:00] yeah, it was definitely too little too late for what should have been a far more prominent character [00:41:06] Christina: [00:41:06] Yeah. I mean, and again, like to me, it would bother me less if they had. Like literally banked on and used her image and her, her likeness and her star power and everything else for years to dry in her ass. Yes. To drive the marketing and the series, like it’s, it’s gross to me. It’s like, you know, you’re going to give all these other like, like ant man has a movie first, like really. And has two movies. It’s like, what are you even doing? It’s like a black widow. Can’t like, it’s just, it’s ridiculous that, that, you know, I mean, nothing against Bri, um, um, what’s her face, but, um, you know, like captain Marvel should not have happened before black widow and, and black widow shouldn’t have died, fucking kill Hawkeye. [00:41:45] He doesn’t care like. You know, I mean, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s disrespectful to me. And it’s one of those very clear sexism things, um, that they wouldn’t have treated a male star with that level of star power when [00:42:00] they joined the franchise, the way that they treated her, [00:42:03] Brett: [00:42:03] Speaking of sexism. Are you watching physics? [00:42:05]Christina: [00:42:05] I’m not, but I’m, I’m, I’m going to, um, w w uh, tell me. [00:42:11] Brett: [00:42:11] Well, so if you’ve ever wanted to be inside the head of a Billy Mick, a Jazzercise instructor in the eighties, it is, this is your show. [00:42:24]Christina: [00:42:24] Oh, yeah, no, yeah. This, this is the rose Buren one, [00:42:27] Brett: [00:42:27] Yes. And she is amazing in it. Like half, half the dialogue is voiceover. Like you hear her inner dialogue as all of these things are happening. So she’s thinking one saying one thing and saying another, and it’s this constant interplay between a highly self-critical self-loathing. Like she’s gorgeous. I mean, rose Byrne is she’s, she’s beautiful, but the, the character has this constant inner dialogue about what a fat ugly bitch. [00:42:56] She is her words, not mine. [00:43:00] And, and just like constantly, uh, just the self-loathing and meanwhile, you know, putting on this, this happy, shiny face and becoming a dance instructor and no, it’s, it’s, it’s great. It’s a real. [00:43:16]Christina: [00:43:16] Um, I’ve yeah. And it just ended, so I can, I can now stream, um, I [00:43:21] Brett: [00:43:21] Yeah. I think that last episode came. I think the last one comes out this Friday. [00:43:26] Christina: [00:43:26] Okay. Okay. Well then will, I’ll be able to get close enough to binge the whole thing. So, yeah. [00:43:30] Um, I love her. We’ve talked about her and how much we love her before she [00:43:35] Brett: [00:43:35] she [00:43:36] Christina: [00:43:36] She’s she’s like highly underrated. She’s such a good comic actress. She usually plays the straight man, but she’s so good. Like, [00:43:42] Brett: [00:43:42] Oh, the neighbor’s movies. I loved her so much. [00:43:46] Christina: [00:43:46] I know me too. [00:43:47] She was so good in those and inspire, like, she was so good in spy, um, uh, uh, bridesmaids as well, but yeah. [00:43:55] the neighbor’s movies, I was always, I was like, so impressed. I was like, yeah, like [00:44:00] you’re, you’re cool. Like she, she has a lot of range as an actor. Um, w in a way that a lot of other actresses who, you know, have a kind of her look and like physicality or whatever, like don’t, um, she’s funny. [00:44:15] I really, but she’s also, she she’s really good. So I’m, I’m looking forward to, uh, to watching this, um, [00:44:20] Brett: [00:44:20] it. [00:44:21] Christina: [00:44:21] um, what’s the one about the, uh, about the video games? Um, [00:44:27] Brett: [00:44:27] Oh, mythic quest. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] Yeah. I like method, [00:44:29] Brett: [00:44:29] Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just did the S what season two, I guess I had missed that there was a whole new season, so I went through that pretty quick. I’m all caught up now. [00:44:42] Christina: [00:44:42] yeah, [00:44:42] Um, I, uh, I love, um, always sunny and, and I love those guys, so, and it’s, it’s neat to see them do something. That’s I mean, obviously it’s always sunny is like the, this point I think has the longest running, um, live action sitcom. [00:44:58] Brett: [00:44:58] I did not realize until [00:45:00] like season 50 of Sonny, that it was written by Charlie day. And that cracked me up because his character, like, if I couldn’t imagine who would present Charlie script to, and or who would be presented with that script and then, and then gladly sign on. But the fact that he wrote it for himself kills me. [00:45:24] Christina: [00:45:24] Yeah, no, totally. And the fact that like his real life wife is the waitress. [00:45:28] Brett: [00:45:28] Oh yeah. [00:45:29]Christina: [00:45:29] Yeah, no, uh, yeah, no Glenn Howard 10 Charlie day and Rob, um, McEleney, uh, created the show and, um, and then, um, uh, and there obviously, uh, Dennis, uh, Mac and Charlie, and then, um, and then, um, Mac married, um, uh, The sweet tea, Caitlin, like fairly early into the show, like they met when they cast her and then they got married. [00:45:52] Um, and, and then like the waitresses you part of like, basically, it’s kind of like a family thing, which I think is pretty awesome actually. Like [00:46:00] It’s [00:46:00] Brett: [00:46:00] It’s a family business. [00:46:01] Christina: [00:46:01] It is a family business. [00:46:02] It’s such a drain show. Like, you know, like, um, Danny DeVito was supposed to just be kind of a bit thing. And then he like, had so much fun. [00:46:10] He was like, yeah, this is what I’ll do with my life. [00:46:12] Brett: [00:46:12] Yep. [00:46:13] Christina: [00:46:13] Let’s just do it, which, which I love like apparently the first season, cause he came in the second season and apparently the first season, like they shot all his scene separately. Um, or, you know, at, at one time because you know, he’s Danny DeVito and didn’t know if he was going to really be wanting to do the show thing or whatever. [00:46:29] So, you know, they would have like certain days where they would just get all of this stuff at once and maybe do them out of order. Um, and then he had such a good time. He was. No, I’m, I’m in. [00:46:39] like, I want to be fully into this and like, and you see the progression of the front character go from being like more of the businessman and more kind of like straight man stuff at first to just slowly, uh, by the end of the second season, you see a little bit, but really starting the third season and beyond like, just embracing the depravity the same as the rest of them. [00:46:57] It’s So. good. [00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] So. [00:47:00] I’ll bring up before we try to talk about something other than TV, maybe do we even want to who cares? Um, but, uh, have you seen atypical, [00:47:11] Christina: [00:47:11] I have not. [00:47:12] Brett: [00:47:12] uh, I told you a while ago about a show called love on the spectrum. [00:47:17] Christina: [00:47:17] Yeah. [00:47:17] Brett: [00:47:17] And it was about like, uh, ASD people, uh, dating. It was a dating show and, uh, atypical is a comedy completely unrelated, except for they’re both about autism. [00:47:30] Um, but it’s a comedy, a drama. No, it’s not a drama. It’s a comedy, um, about, uh, a young man going off to college. Uh, and he is dealing with, you know, being an ASD person and it is. Delightful like this show. Sh if it’s not up for awards, should be, I highly recommend it. [00:47:55] Christina: [00:47:55] Okay, I’ll check this out. Cause usually this isn’t The sort of thing that would normally kind of ping my [00:48:00] radar, but you’re saying it’s good, which is, um, And Jennifer, Jason Lee is in it and I really like her, [00:48:06] Brett: [00:48:06] character is she the mom? [00:48:08] Christina: [00:48:08] yeah. [00:48:09] Brett: [00:48:09] Uh, the characters in this show are, uh, deep and well-written and they will all grow on you in one way or another. It is excellent writing. [00:48:21]Christina: [00:48:21] Nice. Okay. Let’s check that out. So we also have this thing on here as we’re kind of running out of time that, uh, you’ve touched bar news. So Are you or are you trying to use your touch bar again? [00:48:31] Brett: [00:48:31] here’s the thing is I don’t have one anymore. Um, like I, I, I handed down my Mac book pro two L and I got myself an M one Mac mini, and I suddenly don’t have a touch bar, but there were a couple of things that I had actually hacked into the touch bar on my. MacBook pro that I did find really useful. [00:48:54] Like when I CD into a project directory, uh, it pops [00:49:00] up. So I have this thing called how’s it where I can ask, like in any project that I can keep notes on how to do different things within the project and that I can type, like, how has it build, how how’s it deploy? And it’ll remind me how all of this stuff works and how’s, it can also be a task runner. [00:49:18] So if you can almost, you can create like a matrix. For any project and then use how’s it to run the tasks. And I had it set up so that when I see the, into a project rectory that had a how’s it notes file, it would create buttons on my touch bar for all of the tasks that it was able to run. And that was super useful. [00:49:41] I use that. I like legit used it to the extent where even if my laptop was docked over to the side, I would like reach over to hit the button. Even though they weren’t right in front of me. So anyway, I was missing stuff like that. So I started playing around with a touch bar simulator, and that [00:50:00] turned into this whole, I’m working on a blog post on this, but I ended up writing a bunch of scripts that I eventually consolidated into one big script that you can send sub commands to. [00:50:12] And my touch bar now has like. Integration with my command line, time trackers, CPU, load readouts with different averages, full weather reports for the week ahead. Uh, all of my bunches get like you can see which bunches are open and which bunches are closed at any given time. Uh, full control of my music. [00:50:36] This is all with better touch tool, but anyway, yeah. It got intense. And it’s hilarious to me that I did all this after I no longer had a touch bar [00:50:46] Christina: [00:50:46] Right. I was going to say so, [00:50:48] Brett: [00:50:48] and, and apple is apple is officially canceling the touch bar. Like the touch bar won’t even exist in a couple years. So this is, this is, um, I guess a last hurrah. [00:51:00] [00:51:00]Christina: [00:51:00] Yeah, I guess so, um, I’m although, I mean, I would think maybe, obviously it, it It’s different, but it’s possible. You could turn some of this stuff into things for like your strings. [00:51:12] Brett: [00:51:12] It’s feedback. And a lot of what I’ve done does easily translate to menu bar. [00:51:17] Christina: [00:51:17] Right. Um, speaking of your stream deck, did, did El Gato ever, ever get back to you and like fix that for [00:51:22] Brett: [00:51:22] They gave me an RMA. I sent in my stream deck. Many. I have not heard a peep since, [00:51:30]Christina: [00:51:30] How long ago was that? [00:51:32] Brett: [00:51:32] a couple of weeks now. [00:51:34] Christina: [00:51:34] Wow. [00:51:34] Brett: [00:51:34] Yeah, they’re slow. I did get my new Synology. And that’s like all up and running. Didn’t lose a beat. Everything’s awesome. Synology rocks. I’m super happy. El Gato. On the other hand, like I had to demand eventually it was like, they were like, well, Hey, try installing this version of the software. [00:51:52] And I was [00:51:53] Christina: [00:51:53] You’re like, it doesn’t turn on. You’re like, it’s dead. You need to send me a new unit. Like this is ridiculous. Yeah. [00:51:58] Brett: [00:51:58] That was exactly how [00:52:00] it went. And they immediately said, okay, here’s an RMA. You pay for shipping and, and we’ll take care of it. And then they just, they haven’t we’ll see. [00:52:10]Christina: [00:52:10] Yeah. Yeah. Um, that sucks. I think we bought mine at best buy. So of mine breaks. I think at least within the year, I’ll be able to take it back to Boston. [00:52:21] Brett: [00:52:21] Yeah, mine was within a year. You’re so annoying. Oh [00:52:25] Christina: [00:52:25] Totally. Oh, no, I agree. No, I’m just saying like it, cause I hate when companies do that whole, you have to pay for shipping thing when it’s within a year, but many of them do the way around that, depending on where you bought it. Like Amazon’s a little weird, like if it’s within 30 days. Yeah. [00:52:38] But if it’s within a year that usually will still make you go to the manufacturer. [00:52:41] But if you bought it like at a physical store, um, or, or even online, but a place that has physical locations. In most cases, you can bring your receipt and go back that physical location and they’ll deal with it. So that’s the reason why I do recommend if you know, the company has the policy where they make you pay for return [00:53:00] shipping, um, to buy things from like best buy, um, because they’re just easier to deal with. [00:53:08] Uh, but that’s getting harder and harder because it’s not that many, like places that. Exist for consumer electronics, um, that have physical locations. Um, but it it’s frustrating. Yeah. Cause, um, that, that that’s annoying. Uh, AMD, this was the worst. So I bought a, I bought two processors. And one of them, I accidentally bought the wrong one. [00:53:29] Like there, their web store, the way that it looked like I bought the wrong thing and that was on me, but I’m, and I instantly realized I bought the wrong thing and they don’t give you a way to cancel the order. Like there’s no way in their system that you can cancel the order. Even 15 seconds after it’s done. [00:53:43] Like there’s no way. And so they told me, they’re like, oh, well you can deny the shipment. And I’m like, no, I can’t because. People don’t because of COVID people aren’t even signing for delivery anymore. Um, they were like, or once you get it, you can mail it back. So I get it. Then I emailed them. I’m like, Okay. [00:54:00] [00:53:59] I got the wrong thing. [00:54:00] I need to RMA thing from you. You know, I would need to return, took photos to show that it was sealed, nothing to change, et cetera. And then they went back and forth and me, they initially wanted me to pay to mail it back and I was. No, you’re going to send me a FedEx label. Um, I’m not, I’m not paying to, to ship this back to you when I didn’t want to make the purchase to begin with, like, this is, this is dumb and they did relent and give me, you know, like the label, but it was just like the most frustrating thing. [00:54:29] And then I had to wait like a couple of days, every time I’d emailed them to like, get, you know, the thing back. And I was like, why, why is your e-commerce system so terrible that you cannot cancel an order? Within 15 seconds of it being placed. Like what the hell [00:54:44] Brett: [00:54:44] Yeah, that’s the modern economy. Better than that. [00:54:49] Christina: [00:54:49] it really should. And it’s, and I’m like, you’re AMD, right? Like you’re not some small like, place like you and you’ve outsourced it to someone, but maybe outsource is somewhat better. I don’t know. [00:55:00] Anyway, that’s my one. [00:55:01]Brett: [00:55:01] Yeah. My coworker, the other day we’re we’re, we’re working with a. Consulting firm for some design work and or some web development work. And, and she asked, why are we, why are we farming this out? We’re Oracle and I, our consensus was that you were farming it out because we are Oracle. And sometimes in a big corporation, you want to get things done. [00:55:28] You got to go outside the corporation. [00:55:31] Christina: [00:55:31] Yes. No. And, and like, I understand like AMD, like, vendoring it out. I totally. get that. It was just like, use a better company. Right? Like you have, you have your options, but yeah. Yeah. You’re exactly right though. Cause it is one of those questions, like why are we outsourcing this? And it’s like, because we know that this will be more efficient and cost less money. [00:55:51] Brett: [00:55:51] Yeah. We came to the same conclusion, Aaron and I. [00:55:55]Christina: [00:55:55] Okay, well, um, this has been fun. I hope, uh, [00:56:00] I hope that this was good for you. I think that actually, we got through like a pretty jam packed and, and good episode [00:56:05] Brett: [00:56:05] was a wild ride as predicted. [00:56:08] Christina: [00:56:08] as predicted. [00:56:09] Brett: [00:56:09] I hope, I hope everyone’s happy, [00:56:12] Christina: [00:56:12] Yeah, I hope so. Again, like leave us those five star reviews on apple [00:56:16] Brett: [00:56:16] Or to start as long as [00:56:17] Christina: [00:56:17] or two stars, whatever, as long as it’s funny, again, like that’s the most important thing. [00:56:20]Brett: [00:56:20] Make it funny. I w they will get red on the air. [00:56:25] Christina: [00:56:25] Yes, the funnier the [00:56:26] Brett: [00:56:26] like, you can, it couldn’t make me say, this is your opportunity to get me to say exactly the words you want to hear me say, just put it in an iTunes review and I will read it verbatim on the air. [00:56:38] Christina: [00:56:38] I love it. [00:56:40] Brett: [00:56:40] I’m going to get myself in trouble. Anyway. I hope you have a great week, uh, for anyone keeping track next week, we will have another episode with two Christina’s. [00:56:50] I mean, Christina and Ashley, [00:56:52] Christina: [00:56:52] We’re so excited. [00:56:53]Brett: [00:56:53] uh, I have, uh, another co-host lined up for, uh, any future absences I have that I [00:57:00] think you will really enjoy, but I’ll keep it a secret for right now. [00:57:03] Christina: [00:57:03] Okay. Okay. Uh, I, I’m excited to learn who the future one will be and you you’ve got some surgery coming up. [00:57:09] Brett: [00:57:09] Yep. I go under the knife on Friday and I expect a three to seven day recovery period. It’s going to suck. [00:57:20] Christina: [00:57:20] I’m very sorry, but we think good thoughts for you. And actually I’m glad that you got like, and you’re taking time off work, right? Like you’re not going to have to work during. Okay. Which is awesome. So like, you know, treat yourself and, and, and take the time that you need [00:57:34] Brett: [00:57:34] Hey, thanks. All right. Well, Christina, get some sleep. [00:57:38] Christina: [00:57:38] get some sleep.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 244 [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] You’re listening to overtired. Welcome. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren. It’s good to be back. How are you, Christina? [00:00:07] Christina: [00:00:07] I’m I’m doing pretty good. Uh, it’s early for me. So I, and I just took my Dexedrine. So you’re probably gonna hear me get more awake as the show goes, but I’m fine. Uh, how are you before we, we address, uh, the fact that we haven’t talked together in a couple of weeks, how are you doing [00:00:28] Brett: [00:00:28] Well, so here’s the thing. The thing of it is I [00:00:33] Christina: [00:00:33] what was happened? Was. [00:00:34] Brett: [00:00:34] mm, my mother-in-law. My ex-mother-in-law used to always say the thing of it is. And it, it, it, it, it drove me nuts. It’s fine. She’s not my mother-in-law anymore. Um, anyway, uh, so I’ve got some depression going on, which is bad enough on its own. And then yesterday I gave myself food poisoning, not once, but twice and not like [00:01:00] real food poisoning. [00:01:01] Like, I’m pretty sure it was all in my head. Like, I, I ate something that tasted off. Like, it was definitely off like spoiled, but like, I don’t eat meat. Like I don’t get like food poisoning from like legit food poisoning, but it, it, it tasted off in my body revolted against it. And I started puking and then the taste was stuck in my mouth. [00:01:27] And like, every time I would taste it, I would wretched again. [00:01:32] Christina: [00:01:32] oh God. [00:01:33] Brett: [00:01:33] I thought, so it happened with an egg sandwich in the morning. [00:01:38] Christina: [00:01:38] Okay. No. Okay. You get legit food poisoning from eggs. Okay. [00:01:41] Brett: [00:01:41] right. Here’s the thing, here’s the thing, the thing of it is, is that I think, I thought it was the egg, but the egg didn’t smell off. Like when I cooked it, it, it like, everything seemed fine and I’ve never had an egg that was bad and didn’t at least look a little bit bad. [00:02:00] So, but I was like, okay, so, so the, the egg was bad and I got through it in the morning and I, uh, I had my lunch and then like, I’m seeing a nutritionist now. [00:02:11] And part of my diet is I’m actually allowed to eat like bread. So I was going to enjoy a piece of toast in the afternoon. And I got halfway through the piece of toast and realized it was what it was, where that taste was coming from. [00:02:26] Christina: [00:02:26] Oh no. So the bread was like moldy or bad or whatever. [00:02:29] Brett: [00:02:29] I guess I looked at it, it looked fine, but yeah, definitely had this rancid, weird indescribable flavor to it that it did not have, you know, two days before. [00:02:42] And, uh, and yeah, why I did it again, and that was right before we were supposed to record yesterday. And so I just, I said, we’re gonna, we’re gonna wait a day and I won’t eat any more bread and I haven’t, I have not eaten anymore bread at all. [00:03:00] [00:03:00]Christina: [00:03:00] Good. I’m glad. I, I, uh, I I’m really glad, uh, I hope you threw the bread that you pap away. [00:03:06] Brett: [00:03:06] Yeah, I [00:03:07] Christina: [00:03:07] good. [00:03:08]Brett: [00:03:08] I did. It took, it took twice. I really like bread. [00:03:13] Christina: [00:03:13] I like bread too. You can buy more bread. Uh, clearly the bread that you had though was bad. Like you can get new bread. [00:03:21] Brett: [00:03:21] Yeah. Um, so, uh, last week you, uh, you, you, you did, you did your own thing, kinda. It was an episode with two Christina’s was the way I described it to people. [00:03:34] Christina: [00:03:34] it was pretty great though. [00:03:35] Brett: [00:03:35] Yeah. You seem to have fun. I’ll be honest. I couldn’t listen to it. Like the beauty of descript is that I can just search for the word edit and anywhere that someone was like, oh, you should edit here. [00:03:48] I can just find that without having to go through like who’s fuckable and a boy band. Like I can just skip all of that. Honestly. Like I caught a little bit of it. I searched for my [00:04:00] own name, so I could hear where you bad mouth. Me. Brett’s a little bitch and all of this, [00:04:04] Christina: [00:04:04] I love this. [00:04:05] Brett: [00:04:05] Brett breads to gen X for this. [00:04:07] And I heard that and I’m like, you know, that’s true. I, I actually don’t have to, I don’t have to sit through this. I can edit this with one hand. [00:04:17] Christina: [00:04:17] I, so until you said this, I completely forgot that. Like I, I called you a little bitch and said you was using next to that. And now I’m now I’m thinking back, I’m like fair. [00:04:26]Brett: [00:04:26] Well, so, and, and, and people can chime in on this, but I, I have oral surgery and a couple of weeks, well, actually it’s next Friday. So I’ll be able to record next week, but then I will probably not be, uh, up to talking the week after. So I was going to have a, I was going to see if I actually wanted to come back again. [00:04:49] If people like overall the general response to that episode was people were thrown at first. Like when you did [00:05:00] the immediate deep dive into like nineties boy bands, people were thrown, but they came around and they enjoyed it by the end. And they really liked the dynamic between you two. So. [00:05:13]Christina: [00:05:13] Yeah, I [00:05:14] Brett: [00:05:14] feel like it’s going to replace me entirely, but I feel like it’s a nice, it’s a nice to have two Christina’s once in a while people, people can live with that, [00:05:23] Christina: [00:05:23] I think so. It’s nice palate cleanser. No, it doesn’t replace two at all. Uh, there has been talk on the Twitters. People are like, she and I should have a spinoff podcast. And, [00:05:33] Brett: [00:05:33] I could see. [00:05:34] Christina: [00:05:34] and that I actually, like, I like that idea a lot, but maybe, maybe we do like another thing together. We could see if it’s like, we test it out again and see. [00:05:43] like, if that’s gonna happen. [00:05:44] Cause I wasn’t intending to go as deep as we, when we, we had started, even before we started recording, we were kind of talking a lot and, and we just kinda went right into and I was like, oh, this is going to be totally different. But this was really fun. [00:05:57]Brett: [00:05:57] Yeah. [00:06:00] So how’s work going. [00:06:02] Christina: [00:06:02] So work is work as good. Our fiscal year just started, which, um, is, is interesting. Cause it’s like, there’s a lot of planning, a lot of other stuff that happens. So in also a lot of people are taking vacation. So it’s one of those things where like the next couple of months are, um, in some ways going to be at least for some of my, some of the stuff that I do slower. [00:06:26] And then in some things more busy, I don’t know. It, it all sort of depends. Um, but, uh, I, uh, I was part of the windows 11 launch, which was kind of cool, [00:06:34]Brett: [00:06:34] Yeah. So [00:06:36] Christina: [00:06:36] Very cool. [00:06:37] Brett: [00:06:37] yeah, I, I haven’t, I don’t follow windows much, so I haven’t dug into that, but, uh, but you seem pretty excited about that. [00:06:45] Christina: [00:06:45] I mean, look, I can say this like more candidly on this podcast, cause like less people listened to it, then not less people, but like less. [00:06:54] Brett: [00:06:54] What you mean is fewer people. I’m sorry, I [00:06:58] Christina: [00:06:58] You’re well, yeah. [00:07:00] Okay. Fuck off. Hey, but I was also, I was trying to be like, it was like, well, cause we have a lot of listeners, but it’s, it’s different listener base. So it’s like, I don’t know how many of my coworkers, like, listen, you know, if that makes sense, which makes it somewhat easier. Um, not that I’m saying anything that like get me in trouble or whatever. [00:07:16] I don’t think. But, um, when is 11 is, uh, like the visual overhaul is really good. Like there were some things like that. They definitely stole from macro S and they stole well how’s that? [00:07:32] Brett: [00:07:32] fair enough. [00:07:33] Christina: [00:07:33] Okay. [00:07:33] Well, other than good, like I was trying to like do the grammar thing since I, I got the lesson fewer wrong. Um, so that’s kind of cool. [00:07:42] There’s also some cool stuff happening on the developer side. That was the thing I was more involved with. I was involved with the developer event. Kind of getting to do a deep dive on some of the changes coming to some of the ways that you can develop for both web apps and native apps in the store and in games and shit like that. [00:07:57] So there was, there was some cool things. [00:08:00] Um, I, uh, I, I’m not, you know, somebody who usually follows windows either, but I’m pretty excited about it when it launches in the fall. So That that was cool. It was also, I’m not going to lie. Like it was cool to have a role, even though it was small as part of like a major operating system launch. [00:08:17] That was kind of cool. [00:08:17] Brett: [00:08:17] That is cool. I, uh, so it’s, it’s our we’re we’re planning for our fiscal year to over the, uh, over at the Oracle. And, uh, so I think I’ve mentioned before the Oracle is sponsoring red bull racing. [00:08:33]Christina: [00:08:33] Oh, wow. [00:08:35] Brett: [00:08:35] So part of our planning is like my, my team, the dev team is, is basically forefront on the red bull, uh, kind of partnership. [00:08:48] And we have to come up with ways that Oracle can tie into, uh, like formula one racing. And like, it’s been [00:09:00] fun. We’ve been finding like we’re doing a lot of machine learning stuff and, uh, and kind of race prediction, uh, efficiency, uh, hands-on learning labs for developers to kind of play around with F1, historical data and everything. [00:09:16] Um, but red bull wants like a year. They want like a plan for like a year what’s going to happen for the next year. How are you going to make this interesting. And that feels like a lot of pressure. All of this. [00:09:28]Christina: [00:09:28] Yeah. [00:09:29] Brett: [00:09:29] can do one thing at a time. Take it as it comes, come up with interesting like things in the moment, but a year plan seems like crazy. [00:09:37] Christina: [00:09:37] Yeah, that seems like a lot. Uh, they, they want, I, I think that the term is they, they want like marketing moments, movements, whatever, so that they can position their stuff. But Yeah, [00:09:48] I think the good news is, I think I’m not a hundred percent positive, but I feel like this is one of those things where you guys can like come up with like really like broad strokes. [00:09:58] And then if this stuff [00:10:00] changes, like they’re not going to know or care, like as long as it, as long as it’s still. [00:10:05] Brett: [00:10:05] yeah, yeah. I, yeah, it’ll be fun. They’re doing a corny video. We’re doing, uh, uh, machine learning lab. And they’re doing this like intro video about how, uh, their whole team of like, uh, efficiency, planners, and pit crew, and everything could just take the week off because the developers are going to do all the work for them. [00:10:28]Christina: [00:10:28] Oh, well, corporate humor. I, I loved the Ash. Hate it. [00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] And they, uh, so I was helping my, my co-writer Aaron get a packaged together because we’re going to start doing some videos like YouTube, uh, just dev REL stuff. And, uh, and so I helped her put together like a video package proposal to get some hardware for her. And I figured she would be the on-camera personality and I would [00:11:00] handle editing. [00:11:01] But then my manager said, oh, no, it would be better to have two on-camera personalities. And you guys could like take turns and do some back and forth then. And so now I’m getting a whole slew of a camera and lighting and green screens and everything. Um, I’m a little bit like I’m not shy. Uh, I, I, uh, I do get self-conscious, um, but like I speak it like Mac world and max doc and. [00:11:32]I, I do [00:11:33] Christina: [00:11:33] You’re on a podcast right now. [00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] well, yeah, talking like I have a face for radio. That’s not a problem. I don’t get self-conscious about like my voice or anything. Um, I do, I hate my teeth. Like I hate seeing my teeth and oral. Surgery’s not going to help that. Um, well, because it’s all the back teeth, but anyway, uh, it’s going to be interesting. [00:11:57] I can do it. I I’m, I’m fine with [00:12:00] it. I just, uh, I don’t know. I prefer to be the behind the scenes, the voice in the background. [00:12:08] Christina: [00:12:08] What, Um, what camera are they going to get you? [00:12:10] Brett: [00:12:10] Um, I picked out, uh, Panasonic something seven. Uh, I went through a bunch of reviews and that was the one that, uh, for, uh, for a reefer model was kind of within budget and highly rated for video. [00:12:28] Christina: [00:12:28] Nice. Yeah, I think I know what model you’re talking about or like, yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s like a or [00:12:33] Brett: [00:12:33] Yeah, I wanted to say G seven, but then I felt like that was a pop song, like a G seven. [00:12:39]Christina: [00:12:39] Uh, I not sure. I don’t know about that, but I, uh, uh, yeah, so, so there’s that. And then are you going to get a, um, yeah, that’s a, that’s a pretty good, um, camera, um, uh, for, for, from what I remember, cause when I had to go through and buy a bunch of video stuff last year, when the pandemic hit, I wound up getting a Sony, a [00:13:00] 6,400. [00:13:00] Um, but uh, I’d looked at the, the Panasonic. I looked at some other things I wound up going with the Sony, but that was probably, it was probably overkill. Um, [00:13:11] Brett: [00:13:11] How much is that on? Cause I haven’t, I haven’t made the purchase yet. I just got approved for my aunt’s about the same price, really. Um, I just got approved for my corporate Amex card, [00:13:23] Christina: [00:13:23] nice. [00:13:24] Brett: [00:13:24] but I won’t have that for another three weeks. So I still have time to. [00:13:27]Christina: [00:13:27] I don’t know what it would be like on refurb. I think it was, I think it’s like a thousand dollars MSRP, which is overkill for, for unlimited 900 Yeah. So, [00:13:37] Brett: [00:13:37] or, or what kind of lens did you get with it? [00:13:40] Christina: [00:13:40] oh, I just have like the Stocklands [00:13:42] Brett: [00:13:42] well, it’s 900 for the camera only with a 50 millimeter lens. Then it’s 1200. That’s that’s good. That gets more up there. [00:13:51] Christina: [00:13:51] yeah. So [00:13:51] the one that I’ve got is I’m looking at what BNH has. I have the 16 to 50 millimeter lens and it’s like a thousand dollars from BNH. So [00:14:00] that was about what I spent, I got from BNH and then, um, and that was honestly, I knew that was overkill when I bought it. Um, I think though, but it was hard, there was a weird thing where it was hard to get cameras at the time. [00:14:11] I don’t even know if, and I’m not sure if the G seven was out yet. It might’ve been, but it was one of those things where, you know, I, I just, I was like going to get like, uh, like, like I was looking at like some 10 80 P cameras, which would have been fine cause I don’t broadcast in 4k, but then I was like, well, maybe I want 4k. [00:14:27] I don’t know. Um, and then there were some like other models and then one of my colleagues ended up getting it and I was like, fuck it. I’ll just, I’ll just get this one. Um, and then I use the cam link, uh, as, as my interface, which is great. [00:14:41] Brett: [00:14:41] we’re getting that. [00:14:42] Christina: [00:14:42] If you can’t get the cabling for some reason, the HD 60, um, uh, S is, uh, Like, uh, they’re streaming, um, dongle, um, the, the, the plus version, the 60 S plus, which is only sold at best buy will also [00:15:00] work as a can, like it has the same hardware, so it’ll, it’ll have the same thing. [00:15:04] So for some reason you can’t get a cabling 4k, it’s like $50 more, but you can get the, the 60 S plus, um, from Logato and it as that. And I know this because I was able to get a cam link, but I first got the 60 S plus and then was able to score a cam like another way. So this is why I know these things. So, [00:15:23] Brett: [00:15:23] Yeah. I had fun talking with Ashley about video equipment. That was last time she was on systematic. That was a major focus of the show. [00:15:31] Christina: [00:15:31] Yeah. I was going to say she would know even more than like I would in that, in that case, but yeah, but, uh, [00:15:37] Brett: [00:15:37] I couldn’t afford the light. She recommended those were, there were like a hundred dollars per light and then like a thousand dollars for the set. [00:15:46] Christina: [00:15:46] Yeah. no, I think you can get like a key light or, um, like, uh, even like a ring light or something. We’ll be, we’ll be good. [00:15:52] Brett: [00:15:52] W we ordered, we, our, our package includes two led panel lights and a ring light, which I think will be perfectly [00:16:00] sufficient for what we’re going to do. [00:16:01] Christina: [00:16:01] 100%, 100%. So, um, let’s talk about Brett’s mental health. You talked about it a little bit, but you said you’ve been depressed. What’s been going on [00:16:11] Brett: [00:16:11] No I’m doing that. Uh, I don’t know, have the manic episodes for, for a while now. And I just get a, I just get a week or so of being low energy. I’m not, it’s not depression. Like the world sucks. I don’t want to be here kind of depression. It’s just like, I just don’t feel like doing anything and I’m low energy and it’s really difficult for me to pay attention to stuff. [00:16:42] And it’ll last, I don’t know, three to five days, and then I’ll be fine again and rocking at life. But at the moment, a little bit, uh, we’ll call it under the emotional weather. [00:16:57]Christina: [00:16:57] I’m very sorry to hear that. And I [00:17:00] hope that it, it, um, fades quickly. [00:17:02] Brett: [00:17:02] Hey, thanks. Yeah, it’ll be fine. It’s going to be fine. [00:17:06] Christina: [00:17:06] It’s going fine. [00:17:07] Brett: [00:17:07] Um, yeah, so my parents made the front page of the local newspaper [00:17:13] Christina: [00:17:13] Nice. In a good way or bad [00:17:15] Brett: [00:17:15] well, it depends on how you look at it. Um, they’re, they’re part of this Bible translation program [00:17:23] Christina: [00:17:23] Okay. [00:17:24] Brett: [00:17:24] where they’re, they’re translating the Bible and I don’t know which version they’re working from, but into this language called sun. [00:17:35] And I can’t remember what it stands for, but it’s for blind and deaf [00:17:39] Christina: [00:17:39] Oh, okay. [00:17:41] Brett: [00:17:41] And so I guess if you’re like a Christian and you think that your interpretation of the Bible should be translated for, you know, uh, a population who. Would benefit from it in some way then I guess [00:18:00] what they’re doing is good. [00:18:01] But for me personally, like I don’t like their interpretation of the Bible to begin with. And I feel like they take a lot of liberties with understanding the actual intent of 2000 year old text. And I don’t love the idea of them, uh, being in charge of someone else’s understanding and interpretation of said text. [00:18:29] So it’s a weird spot for me, cause my mom’s like super proud of it. Like it’s been, uh, her, her kind of like focus for over a year now. And so I have to just kind of keep my mouth shut about it. [00:18:44] Christina: [00:18:44] Yeah. Yeah. [00:18:45] I think so. I think that, I think that makes sense to think that, um, yeah, I’m looking this up now. This is like the symbolic universal notation, a new way to reach the deaf and blind. Yeah. so it’s, um, like I, I hear what you’re saying and I [00:19:00] totally really respect the whole, like, you don’t agree with their interpretation and don’t necessarily want them in charge of that stuff. [00:19:08] I think that’s really fair, but I also think. Ideally, you know, this isn’t the only translator that will be available of something like this, for people who are, who are both deaf, deaf, and blind. Um, I, and I’m not sure if this specific language is like specific from like this Christian point of view or if it’s something else. I don’t think that it is, um, uh, oh, no, actually it seems like it is [00:19:34] Brett: [00:19:34] it very much is. And, and because it’s such a limited set of characters, like they, it’s very broad strokes like [00:19:44] Christina: [00:19:44] right. Okay. I’m, I’m looking at this now. Yeah. I’m reading about this now. So it’s, it’s, it’s symbolic universal notation, and it’s a program that. [00:19:50] brings a scripture to the illiterate deaf, as well as the deaf blind using a symbolic system of writing the literate, deaf who are not educated in sign language, as well as the deaf blind can read [00:20:00] God’s word for themselves. I mean, okay. [00:20:03] Brett: [00:20:03] do they need it? Is the question. [00:20:06] Christina: [00:20:06] I don’t know. I think. I’m in a weird position here. And the one hand, like I actually am very much in favor of translating works of, of all religions into things that, that the blind and the deaf whatever can, can consume. Um, maybe not this approach per se. Uh, like I would prefer it to be like from, in, in a format that is not tied to a particular ideology, right. [00:20:30] Like, you know, like, but like I’m very much in favor of, uh, braille Bibles or, or, or Kranz or, or, um, you know, uh, Torres or whatever. Like I think that that’s really important to be able to translate and have available famous texts, whatever we may think of them, uh, for, for people who consume things differently. I, actually think that’s really important. Uh, I don’t personally love that maybe this is coming at it from this specific place, [00:21:00] but I also want to acknowledge. This is a nice thing, and it’s a good thing that they’re doing. And, and that, you know, like, I don’t know, I, I don’t feel like the world is worse off because there’s more education out there. [00:21:15] Even if it’s not education that like we agree with. [00:21:19] Brett: [00:21:19] find fundamentalist education, very traumatic for people. And I just, I think like I’m fine with literary works and, and education, but, uh, [00:21:32] Christina: [00:21:32] Oh yes. As you can. I guess education is the wrong word. I guess. I’m not, I hear you on that traumatic thing. I guess. I don’t, I don’t feel like the world is worse off. If there are more books [00:21:44] Brett: [00:21:44] Right? No, and I CA I can agree with that there. Yeah. [00:21:48] Christina: [00:21:48] it’s I, I get it. [00:21:49] Brett: [00:21:49] If we were talking about, if we’re talking about a braille translation of something like a king James version that could be viewed as historical literature, [00:22:00] I would have a slightly different feelings about it. Then translating like one person’s distilling of the NIV into what like 52 symbols to represent like all of the ideas and it, it, it gets ugly. [00:22:17] We don’t have to keep talking about this. It was, [00:22:20] Christina: [00:22:20] no, I, you just kind of brought it up and I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to go on a tangent on it, but yeah, I, I, [00:22:24] Brett: [00:22:24] I totally brought it up. [00:22:25] Christina: [00:22:25] know, but, uh, but, but I, but I totally like, I understand like your hesitancy there. I mean, like on the one, but I mean, I, the only thing I’ll say is like, that sounds like a lot of work, so I’m sure they’re very proud of what they’ve been doing, even if it’s not something that like you are. [00:22:40] I agree with [00:22:42] Brett: [00:22:42] Yes, and I will be nice about it. I will smile and nod. Uh, my mom even asked me for help one week to see if her translation of very innocuous verse was like legit. And [00:23:00] I was just like, yeah, no, it seems like you captured the idea of this. Uh, just, I don’t remember what it was. It was like something from numbers or Deuteronomy or some inconsequential book anyway. [00:23:15] Uh, [00:23:16] Christina: [00:23:16] the, the last thing I’m going to ask, and then I swear we can move on, but because this is going to kill me, if I don’t otherwise, do they at least work with experts in language? Like for people who work with, with, so they don’t like work with people who work with the deaf blind or, or with, or with the [00:23:35]Brett: [00:23:35] no. [00:23:37] No, Nor nor with people who actually understand Bible translation in general, it’s very much, here’s some words make them make sense using these characters. [00:23:48]Christina: [00:23:48] Okay. All right. [00:23:50] Brett: [00:23:50] Um, we should, uh, we should, we should talk about this week sponsor, [00:23:54] Christina: [00:23:54] We should, [00:23:55] Brett: [00:23:55] which I, there is no segue here. Like [00:23:58] Christina: [00:23:58] there is no segway here, [00:23:59] Brett: [00:23:59] not be done. 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[00:27:39]Christina: [00:27:39] Thank you very much. [00:27:41] Brett: [00:27:41] So I, uh, I, I told you at the beginning of this episode that I didn’t have anything to talk about and you’re going to have to drive the conversation, but I keep, I keep wanting to talk about stupid stuff. [00:27:52] Um, [00:27:53] Christina: [00:27:53] I have. I have you go first because I, but I do have a stupid thing I, [00:27:57] want to talk about, but I want to hear you first. [00:27:58] Brett: [00:27:58] so I, my, [00:28:00] my, my, uh, Synology died, but had that happened last time we talked. [00:28:05] Christina: [00:28:05] It had not, it had not, [00:28:07] Brett: [00:28:07] Um, so I have like 12 terabytes of storage on a Synology and it started resetting. Apparently this is a thing that happens where the reset switch goes faulty. So like every day I would, I would log into it and the web interface would tell me that I had reset it. [00:28:28] And I had to re-install all of my packages. And fortunately, like, my data was always there, but like my, my get server, my Plex server, all of that just kept disappearing. [00:28:39] Christina: [00:28:39] Right. [00:28:40] Brett: [00:28:40] And, uh, so I went to, I went through their support and I was two months out of warranty, but they were like, don’t worry about it. I got approval. [00:28:51] Here’s an RMA send. I got my new unit, uh, two days ago and everything is back up and running [00:29:00] and I didn’t lose any data. And I’ve heard from one other person that they had a rough time with Synology support and being just like 90 days out of warranty. But I had a great experience. I’m very happy with Synology right now. [00:29:16] Christina: [00:29:16] Yeah. [00:29:17] I’m actually really happy to hear that. So I haven’t had that issue. Um, although I have dealt with them for the support in the past, and I’ve had really good experience and we’ve got, we have a couple of units and one of ours is a few years old, but one of them is like, at this point it’s like eight or nine years old. [00:29:31] I think it’s like a 20 it’s like, it’s like the 18, 13 plus or something. And so it’s, it’s old and, and we definitely need to replace it, but it’s still chugging along, like it’s far out of warranty. Um, but it’s, it’s been great. I mean, but, um, it’s interesting. You bring this up because people at Western design. [00:29:49] Brett: [00:29:49] Yeah. [00:29:49] Christina: [00:29:49] Has had all the tax and, and people have been like asking, like, what are things I should use? And, and I had said, Q nap, you know, might be an option for some people. Um, I, I’ve used their [00:30:00] some before. I’ve never owned it, but I have used their stuff before, but I’ve, I’ve owned Synology stuff, uh, since like 2012. [00:30:06] And so, um, I, uh, I can give them like a a personal, good recommendation, but I really like hearing that you’re two months out of warranty and they still set you up. Like, that’s really great. Cause I don’t even know if they’re still in business, but you remember Drobo. [00:30:23] Brett: [00:30:23] I, I have a Drobo here. If anyone wants, uh, uh, UN uh, NAS, that will almost definitely fail on you. [00:30:30] Christina: [00:30:30] Yeah. I was going to say mine failed on me. I was out of warranty and I think their warranty was fairly limited and, and they were like shitty about It and they were, and not to be whatever. But, and I, I tried to never pull this. I really do my best to never pull like the, do you know who I am card, but, but, but at the same time, like, and you’re in a similar situation because you have a lot of followers and people who buy these things, follow [00:31:00] you, that if you are a company that knows anything, like at the very least, like you should, you know, I don’t know, look into who your customer is before. [00:31:10] You’re just like completely unhelpful. And I didn’t drag them online. I didn’t do that. Um, I could have, but I didn’t, you know, I just didn’t want to kind of go in that way. And I lost data, uh, that was, [00:31:21] Brett: [00:31:21] five terabytes, including a couple years’ worth of like photos that are just now completely missing from my, my life. This is before like everything was on iCloud [00:31:32] Christina: [00:31:32] Yeah, right? No. yeah. [00:31:34] My mine, mine was years and years ago and I didn’t lose that much stuff, but it broken it in was like their support was terrible. And I was just like, fuck this. But, um, the fact that mine, like the software still works. It’s good, but I’m, I’m actually really like, uh, in begin to use a Simpson’s fake word to hear that they are, uh, they took care of you. [00:31:55] Like that’s actually really great. [00:31:57] Brett: [00:31:57] Yeah. Yeah. Like a [00:32:00] significant amount of data. And if anyone wants my recommendation Synology plus Seagate drives are going to it. You’ll do fine. Like, I feel very secure with that. I wish it were more affordable for me to have an offsite backup of 12 terabytes of data. [00:32:16] Christina: [00:32:16] too, me too. But unfortunately the data hoarder people and people like, us have ruined that for them consumer backup services or whatever. [00:32:24] Brett: [00:32:24] like, so Backblaze does this thing where they’ll send you, uh, uh, uh, like I think they actually send out Synology units. I’m not sure, but basically you pay $3,000 as a deposit. And then for like $500 a month, you rent this large hard drive with as much storage as you need. You put all of your data on it and you mail it back to them, which at which point you get your three grand back, but you still pay the, the monthly rent on it. [00:32:56] Christina: [00:32:56] The $500 a month on [00:32:58] Brett: [00:32:58] They put it into [00:33:00] your Backblaze backup account, and then you have access to the data at the time you backed it up. But, uh, from that point on, you need to be able to continuously back up with back ways to keep it up to date. But if you do have 12 terabytes of retroactive data, you want to backup with like, Backblaze, they do offer, uh, an option. [00:33:25] I won’t call it affordable because you could buy a bunch of new hard drives for them amount of [00:33:31] Christina: [00:33:31] Yes. They also, they also let you, if you want to, you can use, like, I think it’s like their, their B2 system, um, where you can back up to that. And, and then, yeah. [00:33:39] like you said, if you need to get that much data, it, I didn’t know that they had like the deposit thing, but it would make sense that they would like just have you mail it out rather than upload it. [00:33:48] That makes complete sense. Um, and they’ve been doing that for awhile where I remember even years ago, like when they first started, they would like mail you out a drive that they needed to get you Len this is when we were talking to like, Good bites. [00:34:00] Right. [00:34:00] Brett: [00:34:00] When that was a big [00:34:01] Christina: [00:34:01] a drive, right? No, with that many terabytes. Yeah. [00:34:04] I can see that if you needed an off-site storage thing, I’m going to be honest. I feel like if you have, if it’s like Data that you absolutely need. Cause I think for most of us, a lot of the stuff that we have, like it’s media it’s stuff that is not necessarily right. It’s so, you know, it’s like your photos and whatnot. [00:34:20] Like, I can’t think of much stuff I have. It’s going to be past like the, the one terabyte space or the two terabytes that like you get with, you know, like with, with, um, with iCloud or with, with, uh, uh, one driver or Dropbox or whatever, where you would need to be paying ongoing costs. I feel like if you’re past that point, you’re probably somebody who should be a, that price is not going to be like. [00:34:45]Turning you off [00:34:47] Brett: [00:34:47] Yeah. [00:34:47] Christina: [00:34:47] B exactly. It’s not gonna be prohibited, but B it might be one of those things where you’re like, okay, maybe I need to look at a different sort of storage thing. Like maybe I need to look at a different sort of off-site storage thing, you know, [00:35:00] more of an SMB type of thing, uh, for, for offsite backups, right? [00:35:03] Like, like I could still have a Synology or, or whatever else in home, but maybe I’m looking at like a different, like offsite stuff, if that’s that crucial to you. [00:35:12] Brett: [00:35:12] yeah, or maybe you have like two Synology. So you have redundant backup between between a couple. [00:35:20] Christina: [00:35:20] the one experience we had is that several of our drives failed at once. And we were worried about being able to kind of rebuild the array when we were able to, we had to buy another unit. That’s how we got our second unit to kind of like. Get things back up and running the way that we could. [00:35:37] And then we had to like replace all the drives. We were able to bring the array back and, and kind of save it. And it, it took a while, but we were able to do that. Um, and, uh, so that that’s been my experience, but I’m really glad to hear that they took care of you, especially since you were just so briefly out of warranty. [00:35:54] Cause it sucks when it’s like that new and, and it happens, you know, [00:36:00] because, cause they’re, they’re not, they’re not cheap. Um, they’re really nice devices, but they’re not, they’re not inexpensive. So [00:36:06] Brett: [00:36:06] Although the major costs of any NATS is the drives. And especially if you want to go like with a bunch of like 10 terabyte drives, you’re going to, you’re going to be paying thousands. [00:36:20] Christina: [00:36:20] Yeah. [00:36:20] Yeah, [00:36:21] We found a deal. I don’t remember what size the drivers were. They might’ve been eight. They might’ve been six terabytes. I don’t know. We found a deal where there were certain Western digital. We just shuck them. But there were certain like, uh, the, their external drives, not the ones that are connected to the internet that were cheap, that were, that were cheap. [00:36:41] And that like, it was on data hoarders. And like, we bought a bunch of them from best buy and then like shuck them because the drives inside were not terrible. Like, they weren’t the best, but they weren’t terrible. They were fine for our purposes, but we got a bunch of six terabyte drives. [00:36:53] Brett: [00:36:53] man, that my book thing, I mean, [00:36:55] Christina: [00:36:55] Oh my [00:36:56] Brett: [00:36:56] be relying on a, my book at this point in history, but [00:37:00] [00:36:59] Christina: [00:36:59] No, but that’s an appliance that is literally designed it like moms and dads, like the tech illiterate, like [00:37:07] Brett: [00:37:07] anyone who missed this news story, people woke up one morning and their multi-terabyte, my book drives from its Western digital. Right. Uh, they were just, uh, just erasing themselves, which I believe turned out to be a zero day hack on old firmware. But, uh, [00:37:25] Christina: [00:37:25] I get that, that for that one, I think it was. And then there was another one where I think they found out that the code was commented out, um, which would have allowed, um, them to require authentication, to log in, to access someone’s account. And it had been commented out like the logins have been commented out. [00:37:48] So, I mean, the whole thing was just really [00:37:50] Brett: [00:37:50] I would hate to work at Western digital on a morning like that. [00:37:54] Christina: [00:37:54] I would too, but their response was up was, was kind of shitty. Cause they were kinda like, well, it hasn’t been supportive for six years, [00:38:00] which Okay. [00:38:00] On the one hand fair on the other hand, if you know that that’s the case, like in my opinion, you should be pushing out something like the final thing you do when you push out a software update to that thing, which you can push out over the internet clearly because people were able to wipe stuff remotely should be a pop-up every single time somebody starts their computer. [00:38:22] And it has, you know, that utility that’s running in the background that tells you this is out of support. This is no longer supported and you should not have this connected. Like, to me, that is kind of crappy because you’re literally selling this. You were selling this As a, as a solution for people to be able to plug it in and forget it. [00:38:41] And so people are, aren’t thinking, well, I bought this six, seven years ago. Why do I, you know, need to like, who cares if it’s being supported or not? W, you know, a lot of people look at tech as um, you know, the same way that you would think about, and this is becoming less true, unfortunately, but like the way that we think about a fridge [00:39:00] or, um, you know, a pre completely online TV or, you know, like an audio [00:39:07] Brett: [00:39:07] long as it’s working. [00:39:09] Christina: [00:39:09] right. [00:39:09] Cause it was working who cares if it’s being supported or not, you know, you’re not thinking about the fact, oh, this is connected to the internet and the security on this is so piss poor that we haven’t done anything to prevent people from accessing these things without a login. Which what the fuck, like I just, I don’t know. [00:39:28] I was, I was, I was really, uh, sad reading about that for people. And then because there were like multiple ones that happen for multiple different devices. And I was just like, you know, um, the, it, it’s easy in a lot of cases to blame the user. And in this case, I’m just like, I I’m not, I’m not sure if I can agree with this because, um, it’s just like you sold something that was an appliance that you designed for people to be able to plug in. [00:39:59] And then [00:40:00] you, you sold as a feature. You can remotely access this from anywhere like that was the whole point was that it was connected to the internet and you could log into this website and you could access your data. If you’re going to do that. And then you’re going to drop support are not updated anymore. [00:40:13] Like, I feel like you need to make that abundantly clear every time you log in, every time you go to that website, every time did this is out of support. Like, I feel like that’s, you know, like I’m not, I’m not usually in favor of shutting down access. Like it could kind of go two ways. Like part of me wonders, part of me thinks in a case like this, that if you’re really going to not support it anymore, including security, like zero days and stuff like this, when it’s people’s data, pardon me, feels like, okay, well then you should have shut off. [00:40:39]Thing, right. You should have bricked it. Um, but I can also, I I’ve been pissed in the past when companies have done that. So like, I’m, I can argue both sides of that, but what I think the right solution would be, would be to, okay, well, you need to have a banner on the client or the website or wherever it is. [00:40:56] Like you need to have a banner that is very clearly saying, this is not a support. And [00:41:00] you were using this at your own risk, because if you don’t do that, then people who got this thing in the dissat and forgot it. And it’s been back in a baby photos and all kinds of other stuff. And hasn’t been attached to a cloud service in most cases because people haven’t thought they’ve needed to, and then they wake up one day and it’s gone. [00:41:15] Like [00:41:17] Brett: [00:41:17] Yeah, those, some of those stories from, like you said, from moms and dads and, uh, some of those, it was almost tragic. Like the stuff that they had, they had entrusted to that storage solution and never thought twice. I mean like you and I we’ve lost enough data in our [00:41:36] Christina: [00:41:36] we have the, [00:41:36] Brett: [00:41:36] we would never, we’ve never trust something like that. [00:41:41] Christina: [00:41:41] No, but that’s because we we’ve been through it and we’re nerds and we’ve done this. Um, and you and I, God, going back to early episodes of over tired, like we’ve talked so many times about the importance of having redundant backups and backups for backups and whatnot. [00:41:55] And cause we’ve, we’ve been, we’ve been screwed. Like we just stopped with the Drobo thing, but this just [00:42:00] still, it feels like, and I could understand if the drive itself died, like, okay, that shit happens. You didn’t back up, but it just felt like the stuff that happened here was. Really really bad. Um, and then there was, so it, you know, I, I, I, I don’t want to rant on that anymore, but that really, really upset me also in one case, I think in the second thing, someone found a flaw and address like their version of like one of their, their, my cloud OS like version three, which they no longer support, but this is the one that goes for their, their NAS devices. [00:42:36] That was the, where they had like the, the authentication, um, bugs. So this was different than the, than the zero day. Um, but, um, this was a different zero day, I guess. And so these were their NAS devices and, and it was running an older version of their operating system that they only recently stopped supporting. [00:42:55] Like they only stopped supporting it, I think in March. [00:43:00] And, um, Somebody like released a thing to them that basically said, Hey, there’s a security flaw. And rather than patching it for version three, they just introduced a new version and didn’t go back in and backfired it. So, but like security researchers like reached out to them and like, Hey, we found this thing. [00:43:19] And they just totally were like, okay, well we’ll just fix it in our next version, which completely negates the fact that not all devices could run the latest version. Right. Which is shitty. And, and, um, and NAZA’s especially like I just mentioned, like the one I use is nine years old and it still runs the latest Synology software, which still gets security, updates and stuff. [00:43:37] And Synology does a good job. Even, even backboarding security things to older versions of their DSM stuff, which is the way you need to do it. And because it NAS even more than like a personal hard drive or whatever is not something that you replace every few years, it is something that you typically have. [00:43:55] And then you’re. You know, like gonna use it until it either was too slow [00:44:00] or it dies. Cause it’s a little more than like a LAN and an a drive interface. Like that’s all it is. There’s nothing that complex with it. Uh, the reason that like, I want to get a new one is because I want to do more server stuff at home lab stuff with it. [00:44:14] But for all intents and purposes, you don’t need to do a Plex or Docker or apps or whatever. Like it’s literally Just like, like what our drill bows were, which were not even true. NAZA’s, you know, it’s just like, [00:44:27] Brett: [00:44:27] read one drive. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] it just weighed around one drives on like a, uh, an interface in like an ethernet Jack. Right. [00:44:33] Brett: [00:44:33] Actually mine, mine wasn’t even network connected. I had to ha ha I had it running connected to an always on 2012 mini. [00:44:41] Christina: [00:44:41] yeah, I did too. I think mine was like a 2009 mini. [00:44:45] uh, so it was a similar, it was a similar thing. Yeah, your right mind wasn’t even never connected. Um, but the fact that somebody releases. Like less than know about it. They don’t bother to update it. And then the researchers, this is the most amazing [00:45:00] thing the researchers developed and release their own patch for that version of the software. [00:45:04] And like they offered it to, after the fact they’ve offered to the Western digital, Hey, you can use this so that you could at least have a final kind of like, like patch or whatever for this version three to patch the security flaw. No, they don’t care. [00:45:16] Brett: [00:45:16] Nah. So what stupid thing did you want to talk about? [00:45:20] Christina: [00:45:20] Okay. So, uh, so this happened like Right. after we recorded the last time you and I recorded. So before Ashley and I recorded and before we took our week off, I, um, I went, so I went semi viral on Twitter. Uh I’ll I’ll share in, uh, the, um, the chat in, in our equip document rather than the tweet. So you can see it. [00:45:41] But, um, I used to work with a guy named, uh, Felix salmon and all I can really say about him is that. he sucks. Uh, He wrote, he works at Axios where he’s paid. I don’t even want to know more than you and I probably more than you and I put together. I [00:46:00] know that for a fact, because of what he made at fusion, um, uh, slash Gizmodo media group, but he did this really terrible report on activities that are like their chief financial correspondent. [00:46:10] And he was like my deep dive into unemployment fraud, quite possibly the largest theft of all time. Um, first of all, uh, I think that calling unemployment fraud, theft. Bit much, um, it, because like it says nothing of wage theft and all the other things that employers do, you know, against employees. Second of all, all the data in this quote, unquote deep dive, um, came from one company who reported a figure that had not been analyzed by anyone except for this company. [00:46:41] Um, they, they claimed that the amount of, of, uh, unemployment, um, like fake unemployment claims that happened during, during because of COVID w totaled $400 billion. And The um, there, there have been some discrepancies in, um, I think unemployment results, but there’s [00:47:00] also been discrepancies in what companies, like what states have paid out. [00:47:02] Like, there’ve been a lot of discrepancies. In some cases, people call something fraud when it’s not fraud. Like there was a case I think in Michigan where two box core was getting, um, unemployment stuff and it turned out it was a real guy named like the, the, the Republican politicians, the pro Republican politicians, you know, did this or whatnot. [00:47:20] So. [00:47:20] Brett: [00:47:20] governor had to come back and apologize. Turns out. [00:47:24] Christina: [00:47:24] Turns out. [00:47:25] actually there is a real, there is a different Tupac Shakur, like [00:47:28] Brett: [00:47:28] Hm. [00:47:29] Christina: [00:47:29] of course assholes. So his whole source on this was like, just this, this one company that is designed to basically be an auditor for, um, people who like for, for states that to claiming like, Hey, we’re going to audit and make sure that you’re not getting defrauded from unemployment. [00:47:46] Um, if people finally found employment, this company by itself, people have actually had problems with id.me was the company. And so this whole thing came from this anti-fraud software provider. This is the only source of his data. And his deep dive [00:48:00] was literally, um, like a slideshow, like, so I know that Axios is all about kind of getting to like the heart of what you want to do, but it was a fucking show anyway. [00:48:12] So it was a pretty egregious tweet that already, when I saw it. Was ratioed in ratio means that you have more replies or quote tweets than you have likes or like natural retweets. So more people are replying to you or quote tweeting you in a negative way than are replying to you. [00:48:28] Brett: [00:48:28] Yeah. [00:48:28] Christina: [00:48:28] Um, I responded because I used to work with this guy and he’s a, this is what I tweeted because I actually, before I tweeted this, I asked the group chat of people I used to work with and I said, should I tweet this? [00:48:42] And they said, yes. And then I reworked it a little bit, but I made sure to take my personal feelings about him and like any, like, I was completely objective. Let me just put it that way. Like nothing I said was untrue and, and I didn’t like take any low blows. So what I replied [00:49:00] was amazing reporting from a person who got paid $400,000 a year. [00:49:04] And in the year we worked together produced almost nothing, but who did spend his days yelling loudly on the phone with his kitchen contractor. [00:49:12]Brett: [00:49:12] Perfect. [00:49:14] Christina: [00:49:14] Yeah, So he, we found out because the union accidentally leaked pay data, that was, um, like that had people’s actual names on it. Uh, we found out that he was paid $400,000 a year. [00:49:28] Actually it was 412,000 because the union mandated 3% annual increase. But we found out after, um, the fusion media group merged with the Gizmodo media group, which was previously Gawker media and it’s whole thing. And they, they shut down and laid off. I don’t know, like 60, 70% of fusion and moved to the remaining people into our office. [00:49:51] Um, we found out how much he was making and everybody was kind of gobsmacked because the rumors had been, he was well paid and like, they paid a lot of the, [00:50:00] uh, fusion people, especially at the high, like the, the big names. They, a lot of them, when they joined the company, got paid a lot of money. Fine. Um, but he was still union eligible because he. [00:50:10] Like managing employees or anything. So he was in our union and, um, we were all kind of gobsmacked because a, as I said, he literally almost never filed stories. And when he did file stories, maybe 500 people would view them. It was one of those kind of laughable things. But everybody, like the joke was kind of like, what does Felix do all day? [00:50:29] Well, what Felix did all days, he would very loudly in our open workspace and our open office yell on the phone with his kitchen contractors about like the tile and other stuff that was that wasn’t coming in while also on slack, telling people who made $60,000 a year, that they really should think about investing in, um, redoing their rentals. [00:50:51] Because if you’re in a permanent rental, it’s worth six months salary, uh, more ties to redo your kitchen because that’s going to serve you for a really long [00:51:00] time. And, and, and it’s actually cheaper that way than, than owning or some shit, the people who are like, I have a whole. In my kitchen for people. [00:51:08] Like I have lots of holes. People are like, my landlord was on, you know, like picks Eleven’s, um, like, uh, like landlord watch thing. You know, people are like, I had to steal bread from the office to eat like real talk. And then you have this guy who we all know how much he’s making. Cause it, it got out, who’s doing nothing. [00:51:27] And then his loudly yelling at contractors on the phone, he also did like a really bad video about anal sex. Um, again, I didn’t like do the low blow shit. I just was like amazing reporting from a person who got paid 400,000 a year. And in the year we worked together produce almost nothing, but who did spend his days yelling loudly on the phone with his kitchen contractors that sweet. [00:51:48] I expected maybe 50 people to like it, like, cause I replied, I didn’t quote, tweet him. I didn’t like do whatever I, it was a reply. It did, it had 511 retweets, 144 [00:52:00] quote tweets, 7,286 likes. And um, Uh, hundreds of replies. So, um, like 175 replies. So it got 525,000 impressions, 80,925 total engagements. Like I it’s, it’s probably been seen more than almost any tweet I’ve ever sent, which is ridiculous. [00:52:30] And then the number of people who deemed me and texted me to like, thank me for like, writing that. [00:52:35] people who buy their, used to work with him or know him or other stuff off the charts. So, uh, also the replies were all very good. It was mostly just people responding with like, Jeff’s, uh, you know, like yeah, it, which are very good. [00:52:50] Um, and, and most of the quote tweets are things like, hello. I’d like to report a murder and whatnot. And, uh, anyway, so, um, [00:52:59] Brett: [00:52:59] You’re doing [00:53:00] the Lord’s work. [00:53:01] Christina: [00:53:01] I, I, yeah, honestly, Almost never weigh in on this stuff. I almost never do like in this way, but it just, I couldn’t, I couldn’t win this guy is talking about the, the largest theft of all time. [00:53:13] And I’m like, you fucking asshole, you fucking asshole of all people. Um, [00:53:19] Brett: [00:53:19] Calacanis with, uh, with the Simpsons Jew [00:53:22]Christina: [00:53:22] yeah, no, I [00:53:24] Brett: [00:53:24] He’s already dead [00:53:26] Christina: [00:53:26] yeah. I mean, it was just, yeah, so, so that’s my stupid internet thing. That’s happened several weeks ago, but I was pretty proud of it, but I was also a little bit like intimidated by it. I was like, oh shit. Like I didn’t, I didn’t mean for like, [00:53:37] Brett: [00:53:37] There are way worse things to go viral for. At least you felt good about yours. [00:53:42] Christina: [00:53:42] 100%. And it was also one of those things where I was trying to think of my mind. [00:53:45] I was like, okay. You know, because I was trying to think, I was like, can, is there, is there any way that anybody can, you know, A he, you know, again, he makes more money than me and that’s fine. Um, uh, he doesn’t work that hard, which, [00:54:00] you know, it is also fine. What’s not fine. Is when you have those two things, then you’re talking about the greatest gift of all time when you’re writing a press release for some company that has a vested interest in stuff like, fuck you. [00:54:10] Uh, also when I, I know for a fact like, like I could have shared other things, like I made a point to try to be like, as just factual as possible. Like, I didn’t want it to be, cause my, my sister, I was explaining this to her and she, he didn’t quite agree, but when I kind of explained it to her, I was like, look, I didn’t actually punch down, even though it would kind of, it would be impossible for me to, like, I didn’t bring anything in about his anal sex video. [00:54:39] I didn’t bring any in, I didn’t bring anything in about his awkwardness. I didn’t bring anything in about like how badly written his stuff was. Like, there’s all sorts of stuff I could have done that would have been like. [00:54:49]Brett: [00:54:49] What do you have to do to make 400,000 a year? I feel like there’s a, a ceiling on my potential income that will prevent me from ever making $400,000 a year. [00:54:59] Christina: [00:54:59] Yeah. [00:55:00] [00:54:59] same. So the real story is that he was, he came into journalism when they still paid magazine people like insane rates. Like there was a time like when like magazine money was massive and then he was early blogging and kind of made a name for himself. Kind of like the Matic Lacey is type like there are these people who, if you were a well-known blogger in the early two thousands, like the Mattick Lacey’s is the Glenn. [00:55:26] Greenwald’s like the Felix salmons there. Uh like there are, are other people, um, Andrew Sullivan’s like where you will be paid. [00:55:38] Brett: [00:55:38] Huh. [00:55:38] Christina: [00:55:38] Like area Arianna Huffington, even before, you know, Huff post or whatnot, you know what I mean? Like she was like one of those types, like there, there are those people who will like probably always be able to make that kind of money because they had, were seen by established establishment. [00:55:54] Like the people who don’t really know anything about media don’t really know anything about stuff, but they’re like, oh, well this is a big name. So [00:56:00] we’ll pay them this. Right. And, and like, I’m sure I have no idea how much someone like Maggie Haberman makes the New York times and some of the other, like really the columnists. [00:56:07] I’m sure they make a lot, Kara Swisher I’m sure makes with your podcast and stuff at the times, I’m sure she makes at least half a million a year, um, just on that stuff. And then on our outside stuff and, you know, she, she’s clearly making, I would guess over a million a year, I’m guessing I could be wrong on this, but this is just my guests, her podcasts alone. [00:56:26] I would think, you know, she’s, she’s making significant amounts of money. Um, but she works really hard and, and, and has, in my opinion, like I don’t begrudge that, you know, like Maureen died. I’m sure makes $400,000 a year, but, uh, Yeah. [00:56:43] Um, I don’t put him in that same category and I never have, he got lucky. [00:56:48] And what happened was that when fusion was started, it was a joint venture between Disney and Univision and they were just giving out exorbitant salaries and he wasn’t laid off [00:57:00] until like, they were about to sell the company to the private equity people who paid like peanuts for it. And, and then I think they still paid off his contract, um, because he had, because I guess, and again, I’ve never made this much money and probably never will, but I think apparently when you make that much money, you usually have employment contracts rather than being like necessarily at will. [00:57:22] And, uh, from what I understand, he then had like a period of time when he wasn’t working. Uh, he’d been kind of like, let go or whatever, but they still paid out the rest of his year and they just didn’t want to have it on the books when they sold it to the next company. So, and then, you know, Yeah. [00:57:41] He also like did a slate thing. [00:57:43] I don’t know anyway, fuck that guy. But, uh, but that was my very good tweet that went viral. [00:57:49]Brett: [00:57:49] Cool. With our lesson two minutes. Well, actually, yeah, we have a minute and a half. I got to tell you about a cable management solution. [00:57:57] Christina: [00:57:57] Yes, please do. [00:57:59] Brett: [00:57:59] So like, I’ve been [00:58:00] like one weekend at a time continuing to make my cables prettier and prettier. And so, you know, what, what like cable clips you use under your desk? And the problem I’ve always run into is if you get enough cables packed into one, then it puts enough tension that the adhesive always comes off. [00:58:23] And then you’re just left with cables with, with clips on them hanging under your desk. So I found these things, um, they’re cleverly called, uh, adjustable cable clamp. Um, they’re from a, uh, I believe Taiwanese manufacturer, but I will link them on in the show notes here. I’ll show you these in Quip here. Um, They, they have like a ladder style instead of like the little ratchet, zip tie kind of thing. [00:58:59] They have this [00:59:00] ladder style, big, uh, big holes in a big tab that, that locks them in place and undoing them, undoing them. You just pull down on them and push and you can undo them. And they have a little hole in the metal and they come with a bunch of tiny screws. So you can actually screw them under your desk. [00:59:21] They can hold a huge bundle of cables or they can tightly hold just a couple of USB cables. Um, they’re big enough to hold entire like power cables and [00:59:32] Christina: [00:59:32] yeah, this is [00:59:32] Brett: [00:59:32] perfect. Yes, I am [00:59:34] Christina: [00:59:34] No, this is great. Yeah. [00:59:35] I, I might get some of these cars under my desk. I do have like a cable management, like tray thing kind of solution. And it has some like, clips, like you said, but not like this where you can very easily expand it because usually like, at least in my case, like I have to like cut them and like redo them. [00:59:52] Brett: [00:59:52] Right. And these are like 28 cents a piece. They’re not, they’re not fancy that I I’m loving them. They’re the best solution I’ve found [01:00:00] so far. [01:00:00] Christina: [01:00:00] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Okay. [01:00:02] Brett: [01:00:02] Just, doing my, my service for the readers or for the listeners. [01:00:07] Christina: [01:00:07] listeners. [01:00:08] know this is good, and this is important because you’re about to like, be, you know, filming yourself. So you need to, you know, clutter, [01:00:14] Brett: [01:00:14] Oh my God. I have to, I have to redo the whole back wall of my office and put up like a bookshelf and some shelves with like my YouTube awards on them. Uh, probably need to repaint the whole thing. I’m just kidding. I don’t have YouTube awards. It’s just all of my favorite YouTube channels. They always have like one like little YouTube award up there. [01:00:35] Christina: [01:00:35] I know, I know. I that’s, that’s a, that’s all, I feel like part of me wants to like start a YouTube channel, like, like, like do a real thing out of it just so I can get my own, um, uh, silver play button. Um, uh, we got a silver play button for, uh, for channel nine for Microsoft developer. Um, but like, I, I, I wanted to get to that point. [01:00:54] Brett: [01:00:54] borrow that one? [01:00:56] Christina: [01:00:56] I mean, I know cause you know, they want to in, in like the studio, [01:01:00] like the actual studio, so I can’t have it at my house. Uh, and it wouldn’t be fair. So, um, I, I do wish it was one of those things where like, they would let you have multiples, you know, like you could order multiples for all the people on your team, but they don’t let you do that. [01:01:14]Brett: [01:01:14] Rules. All right. Well, thanks for, I, I feel pretty good. Uh, depression wise in this moment that you, you perk me up a little bit. [01:01:27] Christina: [01:01:27] Yes, [01:01:28] Brett: [01:01:28] It won’t last, I mean, this isn’t like it’s not fixable, [01:01:32] Christina: [01:01:32] no, totally. but but [01:01:33] Brett: [01:01:33] for the moment I’m actually feeling [01:01:35] Christina: [01:01:35] the moment, well that’s good and hopefully it will only be a few more days of feeling like shit and then you can go back to feeling. Yeah. [01:01:44] Brett: [01:01:44] Yes. I have a second appointment Monday, which won’t actually, you know, take appointments. Don’t fix anything, but maybe [01:01:51] Christina: [01:01:51] I mean they don’t, but like, you feels better to talk about stuff. I actually have a sh I have a string appointment in like 25 minutes. [01:01:56] Brett: [01:01:56] Oh, we’ll have fun with that. [01:01:58] Christina: [01:01:58] Thank you. I appreciate it. [01:02:00] [01:01:59] Brett: [01:01:59] And then get some sleep, Christina. [01:02:01] Christina: [01:02:01] Get some sleep bread.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 243 [00:00:00] Ashley: [00:00:00] I hope Brett never gets the internet back again. [00:00:03] [00:00:07]Christina: [00:00:07] Welcome to overtired. I’m Christina Warren, Brett Terpstra is having internet problems. And, uh, so he’s been a little bitch and isn’t on the show. So our good friend, Ashley Esqueda is here. Ashley. You’re amazing. You got up at six 30 in the morning to record this. How are you? [00:00:28] Ashley: [00:00:28] I overtired. That’s how I’m [00:00:30] Christina: [00:00:30] I fucking love it. I love it. [00:00:32] Okay. So, but this is why I’m really glad you’re here because Brett would have no concept of why it was amazing that Nick Carter was in a tech talk with the members of Insync. [00:00:43] Ashley: [00:00:43] oh, we’re going to get into some geriatric millennial stuff [00:00:46] Christina: [00:00:46] Thank you exactly. See, he’s all a gum Jew. I’m generics. I’m too cool for this. [00:00:51] Ashley: [00:00:51] too. Cool. [00:00:52] Christina: [00:00:52] And it’s like, no, fuck you. First of all, even if we were gen X, we still would have known this. Cause like my sister is gen X and she would not have been as [00:01:00] delighted as me because she was a full ass grown lady when the, you know, um, great wars of in-sync versus Backstreet [00:01:08] Ashley: [00:01:08] band wars. [00:01:09] Christina: [00:01:09] Yes. Yeah. W what team were you by the way? [00:01:12] Ashley: [00:01:12] Okay. So I was so really I’m, I’m an old ass old ass millennials, so I was a new kids on the block girl way back in the day. And then, um, and then I, like, I think I liked in-sync songs better, but I liked, I liked the guys in Backstreet [00:01:30] Christina: [00:01:30] Okay. So see, okay. I was kind of the reverse, but I’m with you in that, in the fact that like, everybody always says you could pick one, I’m like, yeah. But see, I, I loved like the Insync pop songs were really good. Uh, I thought the backstreets ballads were, were amazing. [00:01:45] Ashley: [00:01:45] Okay. Yes, I [00:01:46] Christina: [00:01:46] Okay. And then the one that I wanted to fuck was JC. [00:01:50] So [00:01:51] Ashley: [00:01:51] I mean everybody did. Everybody did like anybody who says it was anyone else. Like you’re a liar and get out. [00:01:57] Christina: [00:01:57] thank you. But like everybody else, people like, oh, I love Nick or I [00:02:00] love, you know, Brian or whatever. I’m like, I’m like, no, no. I’m like, I’m like JC, JC Shay was the only one, in my opinion of all 10 of them who was absolutely hittable. Exactly. Like he was the one I was like, yeah. [00:02:10] Okay. I will do him. But like the rest of them didn’t care anything about, and he, he, he kind of, he’s not really that hot anymore though. He still has his hair. So if you lost a little bit of weight, like I’d, I’d be down, but I know that’s being like, you know, body, [00:02:27] Ashley: [00:02:27] your personal taste? That’s a personal taste [00:02:29] Christina: [00:02:29] Awesome. It [00:02:30] Ashley: [00:02:30] he seems like he’s thriving. I’m [00:02:32] Christina: [00:02:32] thriving. It’s actually upsetting to me because he was the best. Justin Timberlake has even gone on record and said, this, Justin Timberlake has even been like, I [00:02:42] Ashley: [00:02:42] is the worst, by the way, like the absolute worst human being. [00:02:46] Christina: [00:02:46] absolute worst human being. He’s terrible human being made some really good albums. Not going to lie about that. [00:02:52] Ashley: [00:02:52] No, I got, look, I, I loved I, there are some ex not, not recently, [00:02:58] Christina: [00:02:58] no, no, no, no. The [00:03:00] woods album was, was real weird, but [00:03:01] Ashley: [00:03:01] is weird. Um, but let’s go way back to sexy, [00:03:05] Christina: [00:03:05] sexy back next back [00:03:07] Ashley: [00:03:07] Very good. [00:03:08] Christina: [00:03:08] That’s what I’m saying. Crimea river. [00:03:10] Ashley: [00:03:10] Yeah. That album slaps. That album still [00:03:13] Christina: [00:03:13] it’s still [00:03:14] Ashley: [00:03:14] hate, I hate liking it. Like you may actually actively makes me mad that I still enjoy that album. I’m like, I it’s like a, in Ratatouille when Anton ego takes a bite and he like begrudgingly admits it’s an incredible, like that’s me [00:03:26] Christina: [00:03:26] no, this is how I feel too. Yeah, same, same. And it still holds up, but, but Justin Timberlake has gone on record. He’s like, look, JC was the best of all of us. And he was, if you like, this is the thing I love button sync. The only two, whoever did solos see Backstreet was better singers. All five of them could sing only two of Insync could sing. [00:03:45] It was JC and Justin they’re the only two who could sing. And they’re the only two who do solos, like the other three, like they were background. And that was fine. And the last two albums, Justin was able to sing more and more, but they were like coast [00:04:00] soloists at the end. But like JC was like the man, he was cute. [00:04:04] He could dance and Timberlake to his credit. He’s been like, yeah, JC, like was the one who brought me in and I like learned from him. And if JC his solo album hadn’t flopped and it did flop. Um, if it hadn’t, if it hadn’t flopped, I think the timing of it was weird. The lead single wasn’t great. Like he just didn’t have the right producers. [00:04:23] Ashley: [00:04:23] we could have, we could have experienced a whole [00:04:25] Christina: [00:04:25] I know we could have where we’re like Justin was a thing. Cause I still think that Crimea river would have been like, and it’s an iconic song and it’s an iconic video and I’m not mad at him for the [00:04:37] Ashley: [00:04:37] But imagine if like Jaycee had had Justin’s producers on that [00:04:42] Christina: [00:04:42] that’s what I’m saying. I agree if the Neptunes, if the Neptunes had done JC, holy shit are honestly [00:04:50] Ashley: [00:04:50] have yeah. Alternate timeline. [00:04:52] Christina: [00:04:52] totally. And I think pop music would have been better for it because actually, oh, I’m going to go this far. This is, this is an interesting thought. Do [00:05:00] you think that if JC shows a had, had like a really like killer solo career, do you think that Adam Levine and maroon five would have been as big [00:05:08] Ashley: [00:05:08] Ooh, that’s a good question. I mean, songs about Jane was mega mega mega hit. So I mean, you know, okay. I’ll say [00:05:19] Christina: [00:05:19] competing. [00:05:20] Ashley: [00:05:20] it, Yes, but it also feels like. It feels like they hit, it’s hard to say. Cause they hit at, at a time where there was kind of this whole, there’s a perfect hole for them to just shoot into the stratosphere with like a really good song. [00:05:38] And so, I mean, I think bands like that sometimes just break through regardless. [00:05:43] Christina: [00:05:43] Yeah, no, I agree. I just, I wonder if they would have continued like songs about Jane I’m with you, like that album. That was like the same time it was like, this is all at 2002, 2003. Like that album still would have been, cause it was a great freaking [00:05:56] Ashley: [00:05:56] I feel like, yes, because like, because there’s a, there’s a contingent of, [00:06:00] uh, because I think a lot of people would have constrained would have still considered JC pop and, and I think a lot of people kind of consider, I think they, they sort of consider Adam Levine as like a rocker, right? [00:06:14] It’s [00:06:14] Christina: [00:06:14] I guess so. [00:06:15] Ashley: [00:06:15] rock guy. Like it’s a rock it’s like soft rock or whatever. [00:06:19] Christina: [00:06:19] Yeah. That’s a good point. Okay. So they might’ve still hit, I still think something about Jane would have been massive. I just wonder if like [00:06:26] Ashley: [00:06:26] They feel like co headliners at a [00:06:28] Christina: [00:06:28] That’s something like, I feel like, like they, cause they were very kind of similar look and I think they could have had similar, like. You know, like fill the void. [00:06:36] I wonder if like the subsequent maroon five albums would have been maybe, maybe, maybe they would have been, but that would have been an interesting thing to observe. [00:06:43] Ashley: [00:06:43] man, I love sliding doors of time. Like when you think about like people who are almost cast in a certain role or like people who like, I love that stuff. [00:06:50] Christina: [00:06:50] do choose inside indoors always makes me think, you know, why? Uh, do you know why? When on a writer and a Gwyneth Paltrow are not friends. [00:06:57] Ashley: [00:06:57] Oh my God. Please tell [00:06:59] Christina: [00:06:59] Okay. This is [00:07:00] actually an amazing story. So Gwenyth Paltrow fucking got to give it to her like [00:07:05] Ashley: [00:07:05] I’m so interested in this start. You have piqued my, you, [00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] good. [00:07:09] Ashley: [00:07:09] you have my full and [00:07:11] Christina: [00:07:11] Goop goop is brutal. Okay. So we’re not a writer, you know, especially for airlines, one of the best before the whole like shoplifting thing and what I like really great actress, she had the scripts for Shakespeare in love on her coffee table. She and Gwen were friends who, when it sees the script and then goes behind her back and goes to the casting directors and gets cast in Shakespeare [00:07:34] Ashley: [00:07:34] Oh, what a shady bitch. [00:07:36] Christina: [00:07:36] Now I’m not saying that that one Ono would have been better in that role. I actually don’t know if she would have been, but that she exactly, but like, you know, but because of that, she got the Oscar and we got the amazing pink dress, Oscar, the most iconic Oscar dress of all time. I [00:07:53] Ashley: [00:07:53] one of the greats, [00:07:55] Christina: [00:07:55] of the greats, like, like one of the greats like that, the Penelope Cruz dress, like there’s, there are a few, but like that that’s [00:08:00] the pink dress is like so iconic. [00:08:01] Like I just [00:08:02] Ashley: [00:08:02] it is very [00:08:03] Christina: [00:08:03] like, like, [00:08:03] Ashley: [00:08:03] I’d say Julia Roberts black and right dress like, that. That’s another one. Um, Oh, Michelle Williams heard that beautiful orangy yellow dress. Like I will never forget that [00:08:12] Christina: [00:08:12] no, that was amazing. Yeah. It, yeah, that’d be great. Yeah. There, there were a number of them. That’s one of the ones like that’s one of the first ones that I remember being like, oh yeah, 100%. So, and, and she looked like a princess and like all the other group things aside, like I always think of that. [00:08:27] I’m like, all right. That was, that was like peak with, um, also sliding doors is a good movie, but, uh, uh, yeah, so that, but that makes me think that yet, but that’s why they are not friends, um, because which is which I know, which I, I love. Um, okay, so [00:08:44] Ashley: [00:08:44] Since we’re talking about early two thousands, can we just really briefly touch on. How wholesome and delightful. So Avril Levine launched her tech talk this week [00:08:53] Christina: [00:08:53] Oh my God. [00:08:54] Ashley: [00:08:54] and she did a Tik TOK for skater boy, which like is perfect, like good. job [00:09:00] Admiral. [00:09:00] Christina: [00:09:00] the perfect tic talker song because the gen Z, they might’ve heard it on the radio and like, like the hits radio, like their moms sing it, but they don’t know it. [00:09:09] Ashley: [00:09:09] In the car on the way to school, like their mom’s listening to it. [00:09:12] Christina: [00:09:12] And it’s always been in their background, but like, they don’t know it the way that we know it. [00:09:16] They don’t like understand why it’s like this, like emo like geriatric, millennial Anthem. [00:09:21] Ashley: [00:09:21] Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so she does this like lovely, like she’s doing the song and everything. And then all of a sudden, as soon as the chorus hits, he was a skater boy. It’s Tony Hawk with his skateboard and. Why is it so wholesome? Why is this fulfill me in a way that I was not expecting today? Like, it was just so delightful. [00:09:41] What a, what a nice surprise to like open in my, on my phone. It’s just such a random thing. And I was so excited to see it. [00:09:49] Christina: [00:09:49] I was too. I was so excited by that. And I’ve, I’ve never really been that big of an apple fan. I’m going to be honest, [00:09:55] Ashley: [00:09:55] Same, same, [00:09:55] Christina: [00:09:55] like I [00:09:56] Ashley: [00:09:56] that’s, I mean, we all know that [00:09:58] Christina: [00:09:58] We all know that song. And, [00:10:00] and, and it’s like, it’s like, it’s like that one and, and girlfriend, and like, there are a couple of them and it’s like, I always tolerated her. [00:10:04] I was never really into her. I was kind of like, you seem fake to me to be totally honest. I was like, you, you are trying way too hard, the sum 41 marriage yet. So try hard. But that song fucks, she looked great. Um, and she’s had some health problems, so I was really happy to see that. And she looked like amazing. [00:10:25] Like, it really did make me feel like I was like [00:10:27] Ashley: [00:10:27] ageless. [00:10:28] Christina: [00:10:28] Totally. I was like, Ooh girl, like whoever is like your, you know, dermatologist or your Sur, like, whatever. Like, I please call me because I want, I look young for my age, but I want to continue looking [00:10:40] Ashley: [00:10:40] reverse [00:10:41] Christina: [00:10:41] one. That, that is my goal in life, [00:10:43] Ashley: [00:10:43] Let’s just Benjamin button it up. We’ll just go backwards. [00:10:45] Christina: [00:10:45] thank you. [00:10:46] This is my goal in life, honestly. So I, I. Call me. I don’t, I don’t have Admiral money, but I’m not broke. So I will go into debt. Like I can’t afford a house, so I will, you know, like if I need [00:11:00] to, I’ll spend all my money on, on, um, plastic surgery. I have no problem with that. Uh, but no, she looks great. Tony Hawk. [00:11:08] I love him so much. [00:11:10] Ashley: [00:11:10] He, just seems like a delight. [00:11:12] Christina: [00:11:12] he he is I’ve, um, I’ve interviewed him twice and he was amazing both times. And the second time was actually a, an online chat. We got him to do at kiss Boto and he was so funny because I was like, um, uh, what is the cause I asked him, I was like, what is the best Tony Hawk game? And why is it Tony Hawk to, for dream cast? [00:11:35] And, uh, and he like, which is the obvious correct answer. And, um, he, uh, he was really funny about talking about how much, like he liked helping with games. And this was like, Five years ago. So this was before they had the, uh, [00:11:50] Ashley: [00:11:50] the revival. [00:11:51] Christina: [00:11:51] which were great. Really, really [00:11:53] Ashley: [00:11:53] song. [00:11:54] Christina: [00:11:54] Yeah. The haka sauce. [00:11:55] And it was, I don’t remember what it was for huge. I think he just wanted to, [00:12:00] uh, I think we just put it out there. I think somebody just put it out there. We wanted to talk to him. He was like, okay. Like, it was just a really random thing. I don’t even know what he was promoting. Like I think he was just, we like put it out on the internet and he was like, yeah, sure. [00:12:10] I’ll talk, I’ll do a chat with the, with the fans, with, with your audience, which is like, he’s Tony Hawk, you know, he’s just like, sure. I’ll sit on the internet for an hour and do an AMA in the kitchen comments section [00:12:24] Ashley: [00:12:24] Oh, bless him. Bless him. [00:12:27] Christina: [00:12:27] that. That’s that’s good trick. As you know, you’ve interviewed probably more people than I have, and that is not how most people do. [00:12:35] Ashley: [00:12:35] No, [00:12:36] Christina: [00:12:36] Especially celebrities of his stature. Most people who are like, like tier won’t do that shit. Um, uh, you know, influencers, sometimes their PR people want them to do stuff, but like, they, they won’t engage that way, but someone who’s who’s Tony Hawk, who’s like literally an icon, [00:12:52] Ashley: [00:12:52] a legend. [00:12:53] Christina: [00:12:53] like, like, and, and, and weird thing. [00:12:55] And that, like he, so Brett’s generation was really the [00:13:00] first Tony Hawk generation. You and I, I wasn’t aware of him honestly, until the video games. [00:13:06] Ashley: [00:13:06] yeah. [00:13:07] Christina: [00:13:07] Um, uh, you, you were up in California, right? [00:13:11] Ashley: [00:13:11] Yeah. I mean, it’s So, Cal, so Cal, till I [00:13:13] Christina: [00:13:13] okay. Okay. So yeah, so, so you might’ve had more periphery thing, but me, like in like the Atlanta suburbs, like I honestly think it was the video games, um, uh, [00:13:23] Ashley: [00:13:23] I feel like we were like, I, like I found out about Tony Hawk from like warp tour. [00:13:27] Christina: [00:13:27] Yeah, same. Okay. [00:13:28] Ashley: [00:13:28] I was like a big, that, was like a big thing. [00:13:30] Christina: [00:13:30] I was going to say, okay, it was warped tour, but that in my mind, I guess like the games are the same. So, um, you know, but it was that same era, but, but he, he came up in the eighties, like he was one of the first big vert skaters, and he was a superstar in that era. And then he was the only one who was able to adapt to streetscape skating, which is then what, like led the next wave. [00:13:52] Like all the other ones fell out. Like they, they like, they couldn’t do it. Like if you watch any of the skating documentaries as I have, because I’m a [00:14:00] weirdo. Um, and I can’t skate wear for shit. Like I, I like face plant, like I’m bad. Um, I’ve, I’ve tried my whole life. I’m just, I can’t do it. Um, [00:14:09] Ashley: [00:14:09] I’m built like a draft. I can’t can’t do anything. I’ve weekend goals. I don’t know. [00:14:13] Christina: [00:14:13] um, but my, my, I blame my mom who was always. Overly cautious. Like I have like ultimate helicopter mom. And so she was one of those things who like, if I would go rollerblading or anything that she would be like, you have to have pads on and helmets and all this stuff. And like, you know, then you’re like bogged down with things like you can’t really move that way. [00:14:33] Ashley: [00:14:33] Well, and then it’s like, you don’t want you by the time you get everything on your leg. No, I’m kind of over this. I don’t want to do it [00:14:38] Christina: [00:14:38] That’s exactly it that’s exactly it. Uh, and then, I mean, I radically, this is why I became a computer nerd. Um, I mean, it’s not the only reason I think it would have happened anyway, but this was sort of, the catalyst was, um, I used to ride my bike all the time and I was. Pretty severe bike accident when I was 12. [00:14:55] And, uh, on the way back from, um, the ER, getting [00:15:00] x-rayed before I got my jaw wired shut, um, cause it was that bad. I was coming down like I was coming down a massive hill and then I turned a little bit too late and I smacked cause we had, we had this massive, massive hill in this neighborhood and what we would do is we would drive, we would, we would ride our bikes up the hill and then we would coast down and then there was a little turn and we would just turn and kind of coast more. [00:15:20] And I did this probably a hundred times and I turned slightly too late and I went right into a tree and my friends saw me and, and I didn’t even know how bad it was. Like they, they could see it was bad, like, because it was like the, the blunt trauma, like I felt no pain. And I, I, you know, was able to kind of get back on my bike and go back to my house. [00:15:42] So my mom saw me and she just sees the entire right side of my face is just completely just. Shredded. And, um, and then her first concern of course, is, is this going to be permanent scarring? Uh, which thank you, mom, for being like, uh, like concerned about the [00:16:00] important things. And I mean, that genuinely, because like I, with all these plastic surgeons and stuff, I didn’t need surgery for that, but I had, um, because of so much skin and stuff like happen, like it was summer, it was like may. [00:16:12] And, and so I had to have, you know, like sunscreen, like we had to treat it like incredibly carefully and you would never be able to tell, but we were really worried that it was going to leave. Like, cause it was like my cheek, it was like my whole face. Um, but it was hard of the impact was hard enough that like I, um, broke my jaw and so, um, and, uh, and had to have, I mean, it was bad. [00:16:34] And, um, we were coming back from the emergency room, we stopped and, and I was able to get magazines and I had already read all the teen magazines that month. And so I got computer magazines and that was what. Led me into [00:16:49] Ashley: [00:16:49] the kicker. [00:16:49] Christina: [00:16:49] that was, that was the thing. I, I knew I’d wanted to learn more about them anyway, but that was like the catalyst, but what I was going to say this, but because of that, like I never really, I got [00:17:00] back on my bike and, and I, you know, I even went down that hill again, just because I needed to get over it, but it sort of changed my relationship with that sort of stuff, you know, because I w I was [00:17:12] Ashley: [00:17:12] And it would, yeah, I would, [00:17:13] Christina: [00:17:13] well, and I think as I was just old enough that, like, you knew the consequences, like if it had happened when I was like seven, [00:17:19] Ashley: [00:17:19] seven, or eight. You’d be like, ah, it’s fine. [00:17:21] Like no big deal. Just keep riding my bike. [00:17:24] Christina: [00:17:24] Right. But you’re 12. You’re like, you know, [00:17:27] Ashley: [00:17:27] could have disfigured me for forever. [00:17:29] Christina: [00:17:29] Exactly. [00:17:30] Ashley: [00:17:30] maybe it just won’t do that. [00:17:31] Christina: [00:17:31] 100%. Like I remember having to go to a, um, when, like, after this had happened, like my face was so bad, my mom didn’t make me go to school for a couple of days. And I had to go to school at the end of the year for awards day. And I had to, and I, I got all these awards, which was great, but it was terrible because then I had to walk up in front of like the entire grade, you know, his big auditorium and like have my face, which like looks like, you know, hamburger and is gross and has all kinds of, you know, [00:18:00] stuff on it. [00:18:00] Like, and kids are assholes anyway. So, um, that was great. Um, right after it happened, I remember having to go and get fitted for my cheerleading uniform. And that was just like, and those girls were terrible. Like awful. Most of them are up meth heads. So that does make me feel slightly better. Uh, but. I’ll never forget that. [00:18:22] I’ll never forget, like having like, to being in so much pain in my face, being what it was and having to like, you know, be fitted for this very, very, very tiny, literally child’s size. Cause I was very small for my age, like cheerleading uniform and like my face being just whatnot. But anyway, that was a whole, that was a whole divergence. [00:18:41] See, but until the Tony Hawk apple thing, [00:18:44] Ashley: [00:18:44] back to Tony Hawk and Avril. [00:18:45] Christina: [00:18:45] I was going to say no, but, but, so I think that’s why it was never that into the skating thing, but I loved him and, and he just seems even this generation it’s weird. Cause like he’s our guy, he was also technically breasts generation and then all the subsequent [00:19:00] generations, like they still know him and love him. [00:19:02] Like [00:19:03] Ashley: [00:19:03] find him. [00:19:03] like, it’s really interesting how, like, it seems Like [00:19:06] every, about 10 years, like Tony Hawk pops up, does something incredible and then like does, and then just does his own thing. Like it’s not that he disappears just, he does his own thing and everybody just knows. [00:19:16] Christina: [00:19:16] Everybody knows him. Um, like, did you hear the story that there’s this kid on Instagram? I think as a human shattered or whatever, and he was at a skate park and he was skating and this kid, and he asked, you know, the kid’s name and they were skating together. And the guy’s like, what’s your name? [00:19:30] He’s like, Tony was like, oh yeah, like Tony Hawk. And, and, and the kid didn’t realize that it was Tony Hawk. [00:19:35] Ashley: [00:19:35] was literally [00:19:36] Christina: [00:19:36] And, and, and he gave him a shout out on Twitter or Instagram or something. And then the kid figured it out and cause all of his friends realized [00:19:45] Ashley: [00:19:45] We’re like, Hey, dumb, dumb. [00:19:46] Christina: [00:19:46] Hey. Hey. Yeah, exactly. Hey, Hey, Hey, dumb ass. [00:19:48] That was actually Tony Hawk. And cause, cause Tony told the story online or whatever and, and, and then he joined it and Tony was supposed to be to him and he like gave him a shout out and like, you know, posted his like Insta and stuff for people to follow, which was really [00:20:00] nice. And I was like, okay, we need like [00:20:03] Ashley: [00:20:03] just protect Tony Hawk at all [00:20:05] Christina: [00:20:05] at all costs. [00:20:06] So yeah, but that tech talk that, that was that, between that and, and, uh, Going back, Nick Carter, doing the buy, buy, buy dance with Insync [00:20:15] Ashley: [00:20:15] Pretty delayed. [00:20:16] Christina: [00:20:16] really, really like peak, like early two thousands stuff. [00:20:22] Ashley: [00:20:22] I mean, why don’t they just combine and make like a, make like a BTS, but for like old boy banders where they just have more people in the band, like they could just do that. [00:20:32] Christina: [00:20:32] they? Honestly, they should, because Backstreet is still making albums and touring. Uh, Justin is never going [00:20:39] Ashley: [00:20:39] No, he’s never [00:20:40] Christina: [00:20:40] again. Never. And he’s been clear about that. Um, I don’t even know. I mean, JC I, maybe what I, but part of me feels like he he’s too good for the other three. [00:20:50] So, so like just, just take, you know, [00:20:53] Ashley: [00:20:53] It’s a lot of baggage. There’s a lot of, there’s a lot of emotional baggage there [00:20:56] Christina: [00:20:56] I imagine I’m sure. Yeah. But, but imagine like a take, just take [00:21:00] Joey, you know, Chris and, and, uh, uh, uh, um, Lance and, and, and like, let them just integrate them in, into Backstreet boys. Yeah. Do you remember cause you were a new kids fan? I never saw the shows because I would have one boy band show when I was like 15 and that was traumatic because of, and I’ve been to hundreds of concerts and that was a traumatic concert just because of the number of people and the, the degree of the fandom. [00:21:26] And. [00:21:26] Ashley: [00:21:26] It’s intense man. Like I never went in person to anything like that. Um, I like, but I did. I remember, I think I was maybe like five to eight, like between five and eight. And, um, I had my, my mom rented like a pay-per-view [00:21:46] Christina: [00:21:46] Yes. Oh, of the new kids concert. Yes. Yeah. I remember this, but no, I was going to say those. They had a tour. I think they did it twice where it was like in K O T BSB. [00:21:58] Ashley: [00:21:58] Yeah. I remember [00:22:00] that. That was, um, was that like, feels like 10 or 15 [00:22:03] Christina: [00:22:03] Yeah. Yeah. I think it was like 10 years ago or something. Yeah. But I was, um, this, uh, this girl that, that I knew a little bit, um, she was like a massive, massive boy band fan when we were in high school and she went back to two new kids as well, but she was like massive, like obsessive. [00:22:21] Ashley: [00:22:21] I could, like, I, I like, even if I went now, like I was a massive fan as I’m like a kid kid, but like I never, I never, but that was like pre, it was like pre pubescent. It was very pure, [00:22:31] Christina: [00:22:31] Oh, no, totally [00:22:32] Ashley: [00:22:32] wholesome. And like, I just, I never got into, I was a big, like when I was in my teens, um, I missed like a lot of music cause I was really into, I was really into sky and I was really into west coast rap. [00:22:47] That was like, that was my thing. Like Dre [00:22:49] Christina: [00:22:49] Yep. [00:22:49] Ashley: [00:22:49] and, and Luda and Tupac. Like [00:22:52] Christina: [00:22:52] Yeah, no, I like it that I like that too. And I, my thing is, I thought I was okay, so I used to stock. I’m like, uh, there’s an emo band saves [00:23:00] the day and I, we stock them junior year. Like we went to all of their Southern shows and got into fights with their girlfriends on there, internet [00:23:07] Ashley: [00:23:07] fish. I was like that with real big [00:23:09] Christina: [00:23:09] okay. [00:23:09] I love real big fish. [00:23:10] Ashley: [00:23:10] big fish. [00:23:10] fan. I sang with them when I was 15. And then I think I did it. [00:23:13] Christina: [00:23:13] Oh my God. [00:23:14] Ashley: [00:23:14] I think I sang with them again at one point. And I’m actually friends with her with their original trombone player. [00:23:18] He has a, he has a brewery here in long beach. [00:23:21] Christina: [00:23:21] amazing. They were included. They were the house band and clueless. [00:23:25] Ashley: [00:23:25] Uh, they were in basketball for [00:23:27] Christina: [00:23:27] I know that for the aha cover, but I was pretty sure that they were the house band cause they had the song is on the soundtrack, but I thought, I thought they [00:23:35] Ashley: [00:23:35] been Goldfinger maybe, [00:23:37] Christina: [00:23:37] know they’re there. The Tony Hawk band, I thought, but I pretty sure that that, uh, because Amy Heckerling also, so Cal for life, she integrated, like there was a lot of Scott music on the clueless soundtrack. [00:23:51] Um, I I’m pretty sure real big fish was the band at the party where they play second blow. Um, real big fish clueless [00:24:00] [00:23:59] Ashley: [00:23:59] Well, it’s I know mighty, mighty Bosstones is in there [00:24:03] Christina: [00:24:03] oh, that might’ve been who it was. [00:24:04] Ashley: [00:24:04] at the, yeah. At the, at [00:24:06] Christina: [00:24:06] That’s what it [00:24:06] Ashley: [00:24:06] that big deck, like [00:24:08] Christina: [00:24:08] Yes, no, that’s what you’re right. It’s mighty, mighty Bosstones I’m I’m I am wrong on that. Uh, sorry about that. So, yes. Um, so that, that, that I completely got them confused, but same genre. Um, but yeah. Uh, okay. So. I was just wondering the reason I was asking. [00:24:26] Cause they had that, that, uh, like combined tour, that is something I would have never gone to. I would never go to, I would consider [00:24:32] Ashley: [00:24:32] Too much thirst. [00:24:33] Christina: [00:24:33] oh my God. [00:24:34] Ashley: [00:24:34] can’t deal with that. [00:24:35] Christina: [00:24:35] They have like the cruises. They still, I don’t think they have, I don’t know if they still have them, but like Backstreet has done the cruises [00:24:40] Ashley: [00:24:40] Before the germs came, [00:24:41] Christina: [00:24:41] before the germs. [00:24:42] But, but can you imagine anything honestly, worse than like a bunch of like women in their thirties and forties who are still obsessed with Backstreet boys or new kids or whatever? No, exactly embarrassing, but also like 4,000 of them on a [00:24:57] Ashley: [00:24:57] Screaming, chasing [00:24:58] Christina: [00:24:58] Yes. And, and, and [00:25:00] now they’re now there’s alcohol and like horniness involved. [00:25:04] Ashley: [00:25:04] get weird. Weird, really fast. Like, like an office party. Like you go to the, the, the company Christmas party and that some point usually it’s at about 10 o’clock at night, it gets weird. Right? Like anyone who’s left, like it gets weird and always gets weird. Inevitably it gets weird. And like, you got to just get out of there, like, and the thing is you have, and you can’t on a cruise ship. So that’s the thing you’re forced into the [00:25:24] Christina: [00:25:24] Oh, it, it seems like the weirdest thing ever. I think somebody wrote something like a first person account for something for Buzzfeed, about how like they went on, this was like, you know, eight, nine years ago where they went on one of those Backstreet boys cruises and I read it and I was like, this, this seems kind of like my idea of hell. [00:25:39] Um, and, and I, I, would’ve never done that, but, but it’s interesting, but I think that, yeah, it’s just to close the loop. Um, and I think that Nick, um, should, uh, invite the other three in sinkers to just join with Backstreet, because if they did a Vegas, they should. [00:25:58] Ashley: [00:25:58] 1990s boy [00:26:00] [00:26:00] Christina: [00:26:00] I agree, because if they did a Vegas residency, I would go to that. [00:26:03] Like, I wouldn’t go to an actual concert. [00:26:05] Ashley: [00:26:05] percent. I’d go to a [00:26:06] Christina: [00:26:06] Like, yeah, like an actual concert in a no circumstances. I’m not going to be dealing with those women in a standing show. Like I’m not doing it. Um, I, I’m not doing it, but I will like, I’m small. I will be, I will be killed and I’m not doing it, but the Vegas residency, [00:26:26] Ashley: [00:26:26] You gotta be careful about that. [00:26:27] Christina: [00:26:27] that’s what I’m saying. [00:26:28] But, but a Vegas residency, hell yeah. Like would be down for that. Um, we have to talk about sexy beasts. Is that what the show is? [00:26:35] Ashley: [00:26:35] This is? I mean, [00:26:37] Christina: [00:26:37] We have to talk about that. But before we do, let me just real quickly read a sponsor read, um, who I’m sure is going to really appreciate this before we get into furry porn. [00:26:46] Cause that’s what this is. We’re going to talk about our sponsor this week, which is Molekule. 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What if we dressed up attractive people like animals and devils and other things, and we put a bunch of special effects makeup on them and then put, let them go on blind dates together. [00:30:00] [00:29:59] Uh, this trailer looks insane. Like I don’t, I don’t know any other way to describe it. Uh, I, I have been laughing about this trailer right before we started recording. I saw it and I was like, oh no. [00:30:16] Christina: [00:30:16] know I woke up and I saw it and I was like, [00:30:19] Ashley: [00:30:19] no. [00:30:20] Christina: [00:30:20] it’s like suddenly like, like my whole timeline went from, um, people being. Commiserating on the New York city mayor mayoral election, which we have a chance to talk about. We will cause that I lost $500, but I was also right. So I feel conflicted, but anyway, um, uh, but people talking about that too, just everybody going crazy over the furry dating show. [00:30:41] Cause that’s what the CA cause [00:30:43] Ashley: [00:30:43] it’s kind of a, well, they’re not, in full suits. [00:30:46] Christina: [00:30:46] well, here’s the thing. I don’t think that the people participating are furries. I think whoever hit, I think whoever pitched this certainly [00:30:53] Ashley: [00:30:53] A hundred percent goes to con like, yes. Do you know who I feel could have pitched this, like [00:31:00] Sonic Fox? right? [00:31:01] Like he just went to Netflix and was like, listen, I have a great idea. And I love sauna. Like, he’s amazing. He’s so nice. Like, but it feels like they went to him were like, if you could make any show, what would it be? [00:31:12] And he was like, this one, like, I I love it. [00:31:16] Christina: [00:31:16] I love it too. And, and I, it looks so dumb and it’s so good. But I watched the circle both seasons or however many seasons there. So I’m like, you know, I love the bachelor and the bachelorette. I am basic as hell. And then this is weird. Like, I, I kind of love this earth. We’re talking about the early two thousands. [00:31:36] I kind of loved this early two thousands Fox, um, like reality aspect. That’s happening on [00:31:42] Ashley: [00:31:42] It’s a vibe. It’s a vibe for sure. It’s definitely a vibe that’s happening. I, so here’s my, here’s my one suggestion to Netflix. [00:31:50] If they really wanted to take this to the next level, um, make it celebrities who are on RIAA, [00:31:56] Christina: [00:31:56] Oh my [00:31:57] Ashley: [00:31:57] like get celebrity, do a celebrity [00:32:00] season where you have, like, I’m not, this is like this, I, this would be the biggest show on Netflix. [00:32:06] If they got a bunch of like celebrities who were single, like Channing Tatum and [00:32:10] Christina: [00:32:10] my God. [00:32:11] Ashley: [00:32:11] and just dress them up in elaborate makeups So that you didn’t know who they were. [00:32:16] Christina: [00:32:16] who they are. [00:32:18] Ashley: [00:32:18] And, and then [00:32:19] Christina: [00:32:19] Oh my God. [00:32:19] Ashley: [00:32:19] basically like, you let them all like have their little, you know, weird creature love island, and then, And [00:32:26] Christina: [00:32:26] then it’s the re [00:32:27] Ashley: [00:32:27] them when they get eliminated. [00:32:29] Christina: [00:32:29] Okay. No, this is genuinely brilliant. And I honestly think that you should like pitch this to whoever the EPA on the show is. I’m not even joking. [00:32:36] Ashley: [00:32:36] get me Mr. Netflix’s phone number. [00:32:39] Christina: [00:32:39] It Ted Sarandos, please talk to Ashley. No, because this adds the, the mass singer [00:32:45] Ashley: [00:32:45] element. of celebrity, Right? It’s the thing people really like, [00:32:48] Christina: [00:32:48] Exactly. Exactly. So could people like that? [00:32:50] So I think the riot thing and would be great too, as the celebrities would know who the other person is. So you have the spear thing where maybe you really like someone and you have like this connection and then you find [00:33:00] out, oh, it’s this person [00:33:01] Ashley: [00:33:01] Oh my God. I’m I’m Wynonna writer and I just fell in love with Gweneth Paltrow. That’s all I’m saying is it? We could really have some moments. [00:33:10] Christina: [00:33:10] Yes. I mean, and that would just be weird enough. And the thing is, is obviously you couldn’t get Gwenyth Paltrow or Channing Tatum, unfortunately, but you could get like, you know, your B list, your list, like people, we remember like people who are still famous enough to be on RIAA. [00:33:26] Ashley: [00:33:26] you could, I feel like you could get a couple of A-listers. That’s all I’m saying. I feel [00:33:31] Christina: [00:33:31] Oh, okay. You know [00:33:31] Ashley: [00:33:31] couple that would be like [00:33:33] Christina: [00:33:33] You know what you’re probably right. Actually you could probably, she could probably get Nick cannon. [00:33:39] Ashley: [00:33:39] Oh, well, you know, he’s very busy right [00:33:41] Christina: [00:33:41] I know this is why I’m saying this. [00:33:44] Ashley: [00:33:44] but yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Like there are, there are some celebrities, I feel like you could totally, you could totally convinced to do it if they’re, if, if you brought them this pitch and we’re like, it’s other celebrities. [00:33:58] Christina: [00:33:58] Yep. [00:33:59] Ashley: [00:33:59] Around [00:34:00] your level. Like if Taika YTT, wasn’t dating Rita Ora right now, which I don’t even want to know what that’s all about. [00:34:07] Christina: [00:34:07] me either. [00:34:08] Ashley: [00:34:08] She’s just, [00:34:09] Christina: [00:34:09] Well, well that the whole, the whole, all the throttle photos were kind of [00:34:12] Ashley: [00:34:12] yeah, those were amazing. [00:34:14] Christina: [00:34:14] Like I lived through, [00:34:15] Ashley: [00:34:15] for Rita Ora, making Rita Ora happen by sheer force of will. Like, I mean, I’m impressed by it, but I’m also, I’m also slightly baffled. [00:34:24] Christina: [00:34:24] Yeah. Um, have you ever listened to a, to who weekly? [00:34:27] Ashley: [00:34:27] No. [00:34:28] Christina: [00:34:28] Um, so it is a, I don’t know if it’s still on, but, uh, but it was a show that the Bobby finger, uh, and, uh, um, Lindsey, uh, Wagner, I think did, and, and, and it’s, um, rather than being about like us weekly about people, you know, it’s about the who’s like, who is this person? [00:34:45] Like, why, why are we talking about them? And Rita Ora is the patron Saint of the who’s [00:34:51] Ashley: [00:34:51] Yeah, no, that’s very true. I have, like, I feel like I’ve heard, I hear her name all the time and I’m like, what does she do again? Like I can’t ever be like, she, [00:35:00] she music that she make music, is that the thing, like every time, every [00:35:04] Christina: [00:35:04] Every time you’re you’re like who you were, like, what? I mean, but as you said, it is one of those amazing, like sheer force of will [00:35:10] Ashley: [00:35:10] It is impressive. [00:35:11] Christina: [00:35:11] she’s, she’s just kind of, she’s been like, you know what, I’m going to make this happen. Like, regardless, [00:35:16] Ashley: [00:35:16] She’s kicking open the seven doors, the seven rooms like, Hey, are you familiar with the seven rooms? Like Graydon Carter. Okay. So great. And Carter, uh, who used to be the editor in chief of vanity fair. yet? He, uh, he talked about how basically there were like seven rooms and in, in celebrity and it’s like every room as you go forward gets smaller. [00:35:39] And so once you get to like room seven, it’s literally like the George Clooney’s of the world. There’s like, there’s like, there’s like 10 of them. Right, [00:35:46] It’s like just, there are not a lot of people [00:35:48] Christina: [00:35:48] Oh, I have heard of this. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. [00:35:51] Ashley: [00:35:51] Rita Ora read Ora did not start in any of the rooms and somehow has kicked her way into like room, like [00:36:00] five, [00:36:00] Christina: [00:36:00] Yeah. Yeah. I think. [00:36:01] Ashley: [00:36:01] maybe, even Sometimes [00:36:03] Christina: [00:36:03] even six. Yeah. I was going to say like, [00:36:05] Ashley: [00:36:05] how I, say she’s hanging out with the Avengers. [00:36:08] Christina: [00:36:08] I know [00:36:08] Ashley: [00:36:08] pretty amazing. [00:36:09] Christina: [00:36:09] it really is. It’s one of those things where I kind of want, it’s kind of like, [00:36:12] Ashley: [00:36:12] I, respect the hustle. [00:36:14] Christina: [00:36:14] I really respect the hustle and part of me I’m like, okay, is this one of those things where, um, you know, she, uh, like is taking lessons from Chris Jenner, right. [00:36:24] Who admittedly had like the, okay. You know, she had like the, the, the famous or infamous, like we knew his name. We knew the Kardashian name from the OJ trial. We didn’t know her. And then, but at that point, I think she’d already married, um, uh, Caitlin who was then by another name. But like, so we, we knew, um, like she associated herself with famous people, but other [00:36:48] Ashley: [00:36:48] she was around [00:36:49] Christina: [00:36:49] was re yeah. [00:36:50] But, but she wasn’t in like sheer force of will. She like, took like. [00:36:53] Ashley: [00:36:53] her daughters happen. [00:36:54] Christina: [00:36:54] Yeah. She was like, all right, Kim, you’re really upset by the sex tape. I seen [00:37:00] Ryan see crust. Would you like to be even more rich because I promise you this is going to happen. And he’s like, what if there’s a way I can be more rich from, from my III money and my American idol money. [00:37:08] She’s like, just [00:37:09] Ashley: [00:37:09] Yeah. She’s like, let me just like, just trust me do it. Let’s do one season. I mean, she bet big on it, man. And like, yeah. I just it’s like, I don’t, like, I don’t have any love for the Kardashians or anything, but I, I respect the hustle. Right. It’s like, I always feel like I can say, like, I do respect the hustle, regardless of whether you think they have talent. [00:37:31] Christina: [00:37:31] Yeah. I don’t care. Uh, also, [00:37:33] Ashley: [00:37:33] doesn’t. Yeah. [00:37:35] Christina: [00:37:35] also Courtney and Travis, I’m really into that. I’m like really happy for both of them, [00:37:40] Ashley: [00:37:40] Oh, yeah, no, that’s a good, [00:37:43] Christina: [00:37:43] Travis Barker and, and, and Courtney crashing like that if fits honestly. Um, [00:37:47] Ashley: [00:37:47] it. [00:37:48] Christina: [00:37:48] yeah, and I respect [00:37:50] Ashley: [00:37:50] She seems like the re she seems like the really kind of reasonable one [00:37:54] Christina: [00:37:54] She is, she is, she’s like, she’s the, she’s also the one who famously was like Kim, Kim, there are [00:38:00] people dying. Um, [00:38:01] Ashley: [00:38:01] dying after she lost her diamond [00:38:03] Christina: [00:38:03] yeah. Uh, she she’s the reasonable one. Like it used to be like Chloe was used to be part of that. The Chloe’s had her own things. I used to really [00:38:12] Ashley: [00:38:12] has been through some shit, [00:38:14] Christina: [00:38:14] Chloe has been through some shit for real. [00:38:15] And so I give her a little bit of a pass on that, but no, I always enjoyed Kim and, and Kim, uh, Courtney and Chloe. Um, but I really used to enjoy Chloe and Scott’s kind of like bro friendship, but, but Courtney, Kylie’s my favorite. Um, because she’s the best, uh, [00:38:33] Ashley: [00:38:33] I have No, favorite. I have no favorite. I can’t, I can’t say I have a favorite in that show. [00:38:37] Christina: [00:38:37] No, and I, and, and that’s completely fair. And most of our listeners are like, Christina, shut up. Um, but no, I, uh, CA my whole thing with Kylie. I think that her, um, you know, like entrepreneurial stuff and what she’s done as someone who’s as young as she is truly incredible. But my real thing with her is you can say the same thing for Kendall, but especially Kylie, they had no choice in any of the things that [00:39:00] happened to them. [00:39:00] Like they were like, she was eight years old when that show [00:39:02] Ashley: [00:39:02] they, they had no choice in whether to kind of participate or. [00:39:06] Christina: [00:39:06] So, so for me, I like look at her and I’m like, okay, you and Kendall, both. And, and Kendall’s boring. This the only reason she’s not my favorite. She’s very pretty, but she’s completely devoid of anything else. Um, it, Kylie at least is like feisty and has a good personality, but I’m like, okay, you didn’t choose this. [00:39:21] So you’ve had to grow up in this insane thing and you’ve managed to navigate like your own kind of brand personality. [00:39:30] Ashley: [00:39:30] Yeah, you made, you made something out of something. You didn’t have a choice. You did not have a choice in [00:39:35] Christina: [00:39:35] right. Which, which I think is really which, which I, I, that, that I respect that hustle, but, uh, um, that’s enough Kardashian Huck. Brett’s gonna like die when he hears this. We can talk about whatever. Um, [00:39:47] Ashley: [00:39:47] in this podcast is saying they’re good people. Nobody’s saying we should definitely eat them if the revolution comes. Uh, but also like I can’t deny [00:39:59] Christina: [00:39:59] no, the hustle, no, [00:40:00] honestly, no, the hustle, no, the hustle is incredible. Like I, if I had money, like I wish I could hire Chris Jenner to be like my, my momma ger, honestly, like I think my career would be in a much better place. Um, but, uh, [00:40:16] Ashley: [00:40:16] just want to be the best friend of like, I just want to be in that. Like, I, I always see shows like that and I’m like, it would be nice to like, have a friend who’s that famous. Nobody ever followed me anywhere or did anything. [00:40:28] Christina: [00:40:28] That would actually be great. You’ll be like, yeah, I would like that to be, be like the friend who maybe gets a Shire on or Urso, you know, is featured. And like, you get to go on the trips and like the parties, but like, no one is like, you have a lot of Instagram followers, Jonathan. [00:40:43] Ashley: [00:40:43] and then you get to choose, like, if you, if you want to make more out of it, you want to just start your thing or you can just not, you can [00:40:50] Christina: [00:40:50] Right. You can totally just not, I like that. I like [00:40:53] Ashley: [00:40:53] friends with that. [00:40:54] rich person and just be the voice of reason. Be like a good, like that’s that’s me. I want to be [00:41:00] the voice of reason friend where it’s like, come to me when you want to hear the word. [00:41:03] No, [00:41:04] Christina: [00:41:04] Yes. I actually think [00:41:06] Ashley: [00:41:06] or that’s a bad idea. That’s the friend I want to be to a rich person. [00:41:10] Christina: [00:41:10] yeah, so you’re, you’re in, So-Cal you’re adjacent to this. You should, you should make it happen. And then I will, um, [00:41:16] Ashley: [00:41:16] I’ll do my [00:41:17] Christina: [00:41:17] I’ll glom on to you to then glom on to them? Um, I was in orange county two weeks ago and I was like very, it was very orange county. Um, I was, um, staying with my friends. [00:41:30] And never changes. And, and, and this is like, this was very like orange county and, and I mean that Julia is never gonna listen to this. She doesn’t even know this podcast exists, so it’s fine. Um, and I’m not saying anything that I wouldn’t say to her and her friends were lovely, but it was just the most like Newport beach sort of like, you know, like mom’s like, uh, it was, it was, it was me as a non-parent. [00:41:52] It was a very interesting world for me to absorb, to observe, but I was like, Yeah, I don’t. You just, it was interesting to think about like, okay, [00:42:00] what would it be like to live in this and for this to be my life, because you know, like you’re not in this, like, you’re, you’re in so-called, but you’re not an orange county. [00:42:08] Like you’re, um, like in the actual [00:42:11] Ashley: [00:42:11] in LA. [00:42:11] Christina: [00:42:11] you’re in LA, like you’re in the actual city, like, you know, like you, you guys, um, understandably kind of like roll your eyes at orange county, uh, which correct. Um, but, but it is interesting because in these people weren’t like, um, super rich or anything, but just, you know, but, but it’s enough of just kind of being like in a weird, like suburban thing, like, like we took a boat to, um, to, uh, uh, to dinner one night and, and, you know, park the boat, like in the marina. [00:42:38] And, and that was nice. Like, that was a fun thing, but it was just one of those like really. It was like, what would it be like if, cause if they were just a few tiers, like they’re not super rich, but if they’re, but I know they have friends and people who are, and I’m like, huh, what, what would it be like to just be like the hanger on to, you know, some of the people who, uh, are not classy and rich, they’re not [00:43:00] really rich because then they would live in Los Angeles or, or Marin, but like, you know, orange county really wealthy, like to be like real Housewives of orange county shit. [00:43:09] Cause that’s really what it kind of was. It was like a lighter version of like, of like real Housewives. I was like in 10 years, [00:43:16] Ashley: [00:43:16] it’s a, it’s a real Housewives cosplay. It’s, it’s very, it’s very [00:43:19] Christina: [00:43:19] 100%, it was very bizarre. I was like really interesting, honestly, from like a sociological, like, like level [00:43:26] Ashley: [00:43:26] not my jam. It’s not my jam, but like, yeah, I’ve, I’ve been in that situation before and it is, it is surreal actually [00:43:32] Christina: [00:43:32] Yes. Okay. Thank you. Because yeah, my sister is in a similar thing where she’s also, she’s not part of it, but she works for people who are, who are like the real Housewives of Atlanta set. And it’s the same thing where like, I’ll never forget. Um, I was fixing like, uh, her then, um, boss’s computer or something. [00:43:55] And, and this was a woman who had a full-time nanny, um, did not [00:44:00] work. And all three children at that point were in school and she’d never worked. So, um, and didn’t really raise the kids to be honest. Um, the kids, I heard them on more than one occasion slip up and call my sister and mom, which route? Right? [00:44:16] Well, she had power of attorney. Um, oh yeah. Yeah. Like [00:44:21] Ashley: [00:44:21] I just look at that point. Why even have them, like, I like, that’s my, like, I like hanging out with my [00:44:27] Christina: [00:44:27] Yes. I [00:44:27] Ashley: [00:44:27] I enjoy it. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] was going to say, he sounds delightful. He talks to his Winnie, the Pooh stuffed animals. Like I haven’t, I love him already. Um, right. But she, when she was dropping the kids who she had power of attorney of over at this re Atlanta house, and this mom answers the door and she looked younger than me. [00:44:47] And this was like a few years ago. Um, she might’ve been my age, but she looked younger. She, at first I thought she was the step-mom because she looked so young, but she was not, she looks amazing. I was at the [00:45:00] doors and I see these two, eight year olds who are head to toe in, um, under Armour and Lulu lemon, uh, kid stuff. [00:45:07] And they’re on their iPhones. Like the latest iPhone is on TechTalk and, um, and Instagram they’re eight years old and I’m just like, what. Where am I? And, and the mom, and like I said, like the mom just looks fantastic and I’m just like, and I asked my sister, I was like, okay, so she’s the step mom? Oh no, no, she she’s. [00:45:28] She’s the birth mom. I was like, I’m like how, because, okay. This is, and, and I was texting with my friend, Sarah, who, um, loves the real Housewives, like I do and loves trash TV. Like I do. You and Sarah would actually really like each other. Um, and, and I was texting with her about it and I was describing what I was seeing. [00:45:48] And she was like, what even is this? And I was like, I don’t know, but it’s interesting. [00:45:53]Sponsor: HelloFresh [00:45:53] [00:45:53]Brett: [00:45:53] Uh, Hey, uh, Christina, [00:45:57] Christina: [00:45:57] Uh, w what? Oh, wait, Brett, [00:46:00] is that you? Did you fix your internet? [00:46:02] Brett: [00:46:02] uh, well, not yet. I’m actually calling from the future. [00:46:06] Christina: [00:46:06] Oh, fuck. Is this going to like, mess up the timeline or like, create like one of those alternate events or branch or some shit like. [00:46:15] Brett: [00:46:15] Oh, it’s totally going to get weird. Let’s hope for the best. Uh, how’s the podcast. [00:46:21] Christina: [00:46:21] Okay, so it’s going great. We’re actually having an amazing time. I would mind if like, you know, you left forever. Well, not forever, but no, we’re actually having a great time without you. [00:46:31] Brett: [00:46:31] Yeah, I figured, um, I can’t, maybe it was a mistake to set up this play date. I might lose my podcast, but anyway, [00:46:40] Christina: [00:46:40] You’re not going to lose your pockets. I’m kidding. I don’t actually want you to go on forever because that would suck, but we’re having an actually an excellent time. And it is, it is fun to talk with someone else who gets things. [00:46:50] Brett: [00:46:50] But you’re not, you’re not like ruining it though. It’s not like laser focused on two thousands pop culture or anything. Is it? [00:46:56] Christina: [00:46:56] Um, well, Yeah [00:47:00] about that. I’m not going to say that it’s not like the time that we had the people from the museum and the Tonya Harding people over. It’s not like that. It’s actually good. It we’re having so much fun, but yeah. [00:47:15]Brett: [00:47:15] I guess we’ll find out if that’s what people tune in for. [00:47:18] Christina: [00:47:18] Okay. People fucking love this, and I hope that you’re having a good reason for interrupting. [00:47:22] Brett: [00:47:22] Oh yeah. Well, we actually have a sponsor that wasn’t added until after you guys were done. So to save me some editing, I figured I’d just warp time and get it into the recording from the get-go. [00:47:35] Christina: [00:47:35] Okay. So who’s the sponsor who is so important that you’re interrupting us in a different time. [00:47:41] Brett: [00:47:41] I’m glad you asked. Uh, we’re excited to have hello, fresh as a sponsor this week, or we will be, if I didn’t break the timeline or we were, uh, let’s not get derailed by trivial space, time issue. Uh, hello, fresh offers, convenient contact, free delivery, right to your doorstep for easy home cooking with the [00:48:00] family. [00:48:00] It cuts out stressful meal planning and grocery store trips. So you can enjoy cooking and get dinner on the table. And just about 30 minutes or less, there’s something for everyone to enjoy with all recipes designed and tested by professionals. And nutritional experts to ensure deliciousness and simplicity. [00:48:18] And it’s not just convenient. You can actually save money to hello. Fresh is 28% cheaper than shopping at your local grocery store and 72% cheaper than a restaurant meal. And honestly, I like the meals I make with Halloween. At home better than I like most restaurants that I’ve eaten at, I get to add my own special touch to everything and make use of all the cooking books and YouTube videos I’ve consumed. [00:48:43] I’ve been using hello fresh for almost a year now. And it’s totally changed my game. Like I love cooking, but meal planning kills me and I hate going to the grocery store and I tend to get stuck in ruts. Uh, when I cut it. Planning and shopping, cooking, healthy meals every [00:49:00] day got super easy and delicious. [00:49:02] I’m eating delicious, nutritious food every day, getting a wide variety in my recipes. And I don’t have to go to the grocery store unless I really want. By the way I personally switched between hello, fresh and a meal kit service called green chef every other week or so. And that works out for the purposes of this time, warped at Reed because green chef is now owned by HelloFresh and with a wider array of meal plans to choose from there’s something for everyone. [00:49:30] Like I get, uh, the, the veggie plan for like vegan meals. Uh, there’s a great selection at green chef. I love them for that. Um, and I love switching between the two to find the perfect meals every week. And now our listeners can enjoy both brands, right discount. Just go to hello, fresh.com/over tired 14. And use the code over-tired 14 for up to 14 free meals plus free shipping. [00:49:57] There’s a reason. HelloFresh is America’s number [00:50:00] one meal kit. Find out why and get up to 14 free meals with free shipping. That’s hellofresh.com/overtired 14. And use the code over-tired 14. I’m sorry for the interruption, but I feel like that was. [00:50:17] Christina: [00:50:17] I think it was worth it. I liked that. I like that you’re able to get healthy food and good meal kits. All right. If we had to create a nexus event, I guess. So it was worth it. [00:50:27] Brett: [00:50:27] All right, we’ll get back to it. [00:50:29]Christina: [00:50:29] So what are, what are you doing right now? Like, are you playing any games? Are you watching any shows? Are you listening to anything like, other than the trash to be, we’ve talked about? Is there anything that you’ve been obsessing over or really enjoying, like. [00:50:42] Ashley: [00:50:42] I well, okay. So I like for anybody listening, who doesn’t know me, I have a, I have a, almost two year old. His birthday is next week. His [00:50:49] Christina: [00:50:49] Oh, my gosh. Happy birthday. [00:50:51] Ashley: [00:50:51] I cannot believe somebody told me when I was pregnant. They’re like the best of at my baby shower. Like the best advice I can give you is, or the best thing I can tell you is the days [00:51:00] are long, but the years are short and holy shit, I’ve never heard a truer thing with kids. [00:51:04] Like some days are very long, but then, but then I feel like the last two years just went by in a blink. Like, I mean, it just it’s, it has been very wild. How fast? Uh, so now I have a small boy who seems to have kidnapped my baby. Um, he’s so cute. His name’s Wolfie. we named him Wolfgang and, um, and he, so he’s like, you know, a lot of my day, uh, when I’m not working. [00:51:30] And so he is, um, he’s just really cool. He’s like into catamari he loves the, we have the vinyl soundtrack and he calls it. Not because it’s good. Non [00:51:38] Christina: [00:51:38] Um, [00:51:39] Ashley: [00:51:39] no. So he loves catamari um, so much so that my brother’s 3d printing him a little catamari prince, [00:51:46] Christina: [00:51:46] I love this. That’s so good. So I’m going to be asking your advice. At some point, my sister just had a baby, a little boy, and so I am now an aunt and, um, I’m going to be the best aunt ever. Um, he already, like, he was [00:52:00] six days old and I got him a Mario one Z and he, and he was a guest on twit at eight days old. [00:52:07] Uh, and, um, um, he’s, I’ve been playing all good music for him. I’ve spent about three weeks with him. Um, and, uh, I, I miss him already. He’s getting so big. So I knew. [00:52:18] Ashley: [00:52:18] I it’s, it goes so fast. It’s crazy. You’re going to see him like in a, in like a week and he’s just going to like double in size. [00:52:23] Christina: [00:52:23] no, w w that’s the thing, the photos, my sister sends me it cause she’s, uh, 2200 miles away. I like it. You know, I’m like, oh my God, he’s so big, but I want to like see him more, but I’m going to be asking you for advice on like what the cool things are for little boys, because I don’t know. [00:52:39] Ashley: [00:52:39] I got the Rex. I got the rep. We, um, we, we have, he’s just like, he’s just fun. Like he, he likes, um, right now he’s like really a no 101 Dalmatians. Like he loves the original animated, like movies, like Dalmatians, Dalmatians. And then, um, whenever Corolla comes on the screen and he’s like, no pups, Cruella, no pups. [00:52:58] He like tells her she can’t have the [00:53:00] puppy. It’s like very cute. [00:53:01] Christina: [00:53:01] I love that is Disney plus, is it like a godsend for you that you don’t have to deal with the vault anymore? Like you have all [00:53:08] Ashley: [00:53:08] more vault. Uh, we have all the movies. [00:53:10] and, um, I just like when I was a kid, my mom, big Disney kid, like she still is to this day. She wanted to go for her 50, whatever birthday to Disneyland this year. So we, we went a couple of weeks ago and, um, and so, yeah, she, so we grew up like just hard mainline and Disney, like all the time. [00:53:29] So I too am a Disney kid. Um, and, uh, and then now my son will be a Disney kid, which is fine. Like I, you know, I know they’re big faceless corporation, but also, but also, um, again, respect The hustle and, and I like and I like what they make. So I like the stuff. Yeah, I, like the stuff [00:53:46] Christina: [00:53:46] yeah, I like this stuff too. Um, I got, um, him, um, uh, w I love Winnie the Pooh and, and so does my husband. And so I got him a little, a little poo that is in his nursery and a little, um, Winnie the Pooh, a onesy, um, with like the little [00:54:00] hat. Um, and, uh, I got like a, there was like a five-pack of toy story once I bought so many clothes, uh, for, she got [00:54:08] Ashley: [00:54:08] will burn through them [00:54:09] Christina: [00:54:09] Oh, I know. I know. Totally. Uh, he already has Jordan’s, um, that he, that he will grow into, like, he’s obviously way too small for them now. It’ll be like a year before he can wear them, but, uh, [00:54:21] Ashley: [00:54:21] Well, he doesn’t need them until he can walk. He won’t need, he doesn’t need like shoe shoes. [00:54:24] Christina: [00:54:24] Right. No, exactly. But it’s the athletics? Uh, my, my other friend, Ashley, her daughter is, I guess, nine months old, 10, 10, maybe now, um, Marlo, uh, ashes, a huge sneaker head. And so for her baby shower, rather than getting her, any of the things that were on the shower, like I got like, uh, uh, like baby Jordans, um, that she’s just now been able to wear the first pair. [00:54:50] Um, and some other ones she will have and it’s, uh, I was like, yep. We’re, we’re starting the next generation off [00:54:56] Ashley: [00:54:56] Yes. Yeah. You gotta start literally off. on the Right. foot. [00:55:00] I mean, legitimately on the right foot. Um, But yeah, we’re, we’re just hanging out and, uh, and we’re, we’re my husband and I were watching. I mean, obviously we’re watching Loki, um, and then I’m watching, uh, I start watching physical with rose Byrne. [00:55:12] Christina: [00:55:12] Yes. I really liked that on an apple [00:55:14] Ashley: [00:55:14] it’s amazing. Is a hard watch, um, is a hard wise, not for lack of a better term. it is. [00:55:21] not bingeable. Uh, and especially if you know somebody or have dealt with yourself with disordered eating, do not watch that show is extremely tricolor triggering. Um, I was thinking about a friend of mine. I was like, this show is not for you had a text or am I don’t watch? [00:55:37] Because she was like, oh, she loves rose Byrne. [00:55:39] Christina: [00:55:39] I [00:55:39] Ashley: [00:55:39] And I was like, don’t, don’t watch the show. [00:55:42] Christina: [00:55:42] yeah. I would agree with that. It is, but it’s a lot, but it’s also like, there’s, there’s, there’s a comedy element to it too. I think like it’s it’s I [00:55:50] Ashley: [00:55:50] It’s a woman on the brink, like coming apart at this it’s I keep calling it the anti Fleabag. Like that’s like the best way I can describe it. It’s sort of like, [00:55:58] Christina: [00:55:58] actually, I think that’s really [00:56:00] good way of describing it. [00:56:01] Ashley: [00:56:01] it’s very reminiscent of Fleabag, but It’s like, the negative version, like as if, if Fleabag were a portrait, physical would be the negative of [00:56:11] Christina: [00:56:11] Yeah. I like that. The negative that I agree with that. [00:56:14] Ashley: [00:56:14] Um, but it’s, it’s very good. And I mean, we love mythic quest. Like we, we love it. It is, I have to say mythic quest for me has been one of the most surprising, um, shows that. [00:56:28] I have seen. And I, my brother works at blizzard and my husband works at Activision blizzard as well. Um, and I spend a lot of time hanging out with people in the game industry and that show. [00:56:41] It’s it’s made with, um, Ubisoft. So they, they are, they consult on it and, um, and they, uh, but it’s, it’s a game dev studio and it’s Rob McElhinney, um, [00:56:53] Christina: [00:56:53] From always [00:56:54] Ashley: [00:56:54] director From always sunny. [00:56:56] and, uh, David Hornsby who plays cricket on that, on [00:57:00] it’s always sunny is on that show. He’s he’s uh, he’s one of the producers or, um, God, I forget his, I think he’s like the executive producer on it in the game or whatever. [00:57:09] And, um, and so it’s really good and it’s it’s, but it also has been it’s so funny and so good, but then also they have had episodes where they have been so poignant and just lovely. Like there have just been some really lovely moments and excellent representation. Like it’s just very good. [00:57:27] Christina: [00:57:27] I haven’t seen it, but I wanted to, and, uh, there was one of the, because there’s just so much content, uh, [00:57:33] Ashley: [00:57:33] a pleasant surprise, Christina, like highly recommend. [00:57:36] Christina: [00:57:36] Okay. I was looking forward to that because, um, I loved always sunny and I liked the concept, but if you’re saying that they actually consulted with Ubisoft and the fact that, that [00:57:46] Ashley: [00:57:46] It is, it [00:57:47] Christina: [00:57:47] husband, your brother, like. [00:57:49] Ashley: [00:57:49] uh, accurate depiction [00:57:50] Christina: [00:57:50] Okay, good. [00:57:51] Ashley: [00:57:51] functions. [00:57:53] Christina: [00:57:53] which I think is great. And I mean, you know, because Silicon valley obviously was, that was also pretty accurate, but it had [00:58:00] certain things that were, you know, um, heightened and whatnot. [00:58:03] Ashley: [00:58:03] Yeah. It’s the same. It’s [00:58:04] Christina: [00:58:04] Yeah. Which, which I like, and I think we’ve needed this. I mean, you’re somebody who’s covered games and obviously, you know, uh, is very close to people who work for studios and whatnot. [00:58:13] Um, but there’ve been so many, it’s interesting that, to my knowledge, I think this is like one of the first shows we’ve seen, uh, there’ve been shows where it gets, people have worked as game creators with, but even then [00:58:26] Ashley: [00:58:26] game. Like Jesse Cox and Michelle Morrow show. Good game that was on YouTube pre YouTube bread. Like that was a thing they did, but it was like really kind of centered around like e-sports. [00:58:35] Christina: [00:58:35] right. [00:58:36] Ashley: [00:58:36] Casting. [00:58:37] Christina: [00:58:37] Yeah. And like, usually it would be used as almost like, um, a character trait, like, oh, he’s the quirky person. And he’s a, he works on video games and, and it, you know, which, which doesn’t really cover, like what it, what it really is like. Um, and it’s, it’s interesting. [00:58:53] Ashley: [00:58:53] you know, the episode of it’s always sunny where the belt were Mac dances in the ballot. Like it’s like very, um, [00:59:00] powerful. I forget the name of that episode and I, I hate myself for forgetting it, but, um, that episode is very similar to like the Heights that mythic quest hits. Like they’ve really. [00:59:13] Hit some emotional beats that are like incredibly powerful and it is so surprising. And, and, um, like I said, it’s just, it’s such a pleasant surprise. That show is such a pleasant surprise to me. Um, we love it. It’s it’s so good and funny. And like there’s so many, like just the characters in the show are so well-defined, um, and the writing is really good. [00:59:34] Like their, their writing staff is excellent. Um, and, uh, and they’re, I mean, they did, they did a pandemic episode. I would argue the only, uh, creative episode of television that really nailed, uh, how everybody was collectively feeling in the height of the pandemic. They released it, I think last July. And, um, man, it was, it was very good. [00:59:57] Very, very good. Made me cry. Like openly [01:00:00] weep. I was at the end. I was like, oh my gosh, like, this is way more powerful than I thought it would be. It really kind of struck me right in the heart. And uh, they have those moments like that and it’s just, it’s really, um, it’s really good. It’s really, really, I can’t recommend it enough. [01:00:13] It’s great. [01:00:14] Christina: [01:00:14] Okay. I’m going at the, as soon as I have some downtime [01:00:18] Ashley: [01:00:18] I can’t wait to hear about, I can’t wait to hear what you think. I’m, I’m very excited for you to watch. it. [01:00:22] Christina: [01:00:22] Yeah. I’m, I’m actually not really excited to watch it too. Um, this was months ago now, and I think that you did get a computer, but you were able to get a gaming PC at this point, right? Hopefully [01:00:32] Ashley: [01:00:32] I built [01:00:33] Christina: [01:00:33] you built one. Yeah. I was gonna say you were able to build it. [01:00:35] Um, and you were able to get a graphics card. [01:00:37] Ashley: [01:00:37] Yes. [01:00:39] Christina: [01:00:39] Hell yeah. [01:00:40] Ashley: [01:00:40] It was, that was a journey for sure. I almost bought it because it was right when the new IMAX got announced and I was like, well, maybe I’ll do that. And then just by a stroke of insane luck, a friend got very lucky and was like, do you want to buy this extra one that I have? I was like, [01:00:59] Christina: [01:00:59] you’re like? Yes, [01:01:00] absolutely. What car did you get? [01:01:01] Ashley: [01:01:01] I have the EGA. [01:01:03] G-Force RTX 30, 80. It’s the one that is the, um, for the win edition. So it’s got the RGB on it and stuff. [01:01:10] Christina: [01:01:10] Nice. Yeah, I have the gigabyte, um, uh, uh, vision 30, 80. So it’s the white one, uh, which fits the whole white, well, I was super lucky. It was this thing, like the end of January, like I had to get a stupid power supply with it, but, um, I basically got it, you know, for, for MSRP essentially. Uh, it was, I got so lucky. [01:01:31] It was weird. I was also able to get. Um, uh, gaming, OSI one at the same time, because I just happened to hit it. Right. This was before Newegg did the, uh, the raffles and, and for whatever happened, like they were tweeting links like in the afternoon or something, and I just happened to get it. And first I bought one card and then I was able to buy the card I really wanted. [01:01:53] And so I had this extra card and, um, I could have sold it for, you know, [01:02:00] an insane amount of money, but I sold it, uh, for cost. Cause I don’t really want to, I don’t believe it’s got, yeah. So 2, [01:02:07] Ashley: [01:02:07] want that karma. You don’t want that scalper karma to come back and get ya. [01:02:09] Christina: [01:02:09] Yeah. So a friend of mine who works on windows terminal, her boyfriend had been looking for a card and it’s funny because she was texting me recently. [01:02:16] She was like, we’re so thankful that we got that, you know, like in February, because we had no idea. I had no idea, like, oh, I’m so glad you were able to get one. Cause that was my concern for you. And we were like talking about recommending that I was like, love to build it up. Like, I don’t know if you can, I don’t know if you can get the parts, like, you know, it’s, it’s, uh, it’s stupid. [01:02:36] How that still is, uh, [01:02:40] Ashley: [01:02:40] I mean, the chip shortage is real bad to real bad. [01:02:43] Christina: [01:02:43] It is real bad. [01:02:44] Ashley: [01:02:44] It’s rough. It’s really rough. I’m trying, I’ve been trying to get a score, a PS five for my, um, for my best friend. And he, I really want him to get one, so he could play return, like, like alongside me, I’m dying to talk to him about it. And he does, he does want to hear any spoilers and I’m just like, oh, please. [01:02:59] Like I got to [01:03:00] get you a PlayStation. So I’m actually like trying, I have like PS five stock alerts. I’m like, I have one, I don’t need it. [01:03:05] Christina: [01:03:05] I know. Okay. Okay. I have one too, but I will. [01:03:08] Ashley: [01:03:08] for my friends. [01:03:09] Christina: [01:03:09] Okay. I will, I will do my best if he’s depending on, on, if he’s open to like a non-insane bundle. Probably have some luck in doing this. We’ll talk offline, but, but I will, I will. Now, now that I know I’ve been remarkably lucky, no promises of course, but it helps when multiple people are in on it for you. [01:03:27] So like, all right. So that’s the goal. Get, get Ashley, another PS five. So her friend can play eternal with [01:03:32] Ashley: [01:03:32] His birthday is coming. His birthday is coming in July and I’m just like, man, I would just love for you to have a peaceful life. [01:03:38] Christina: [01:03:38] I know that’d be so good. [01:03:39] Ashley: [01:03:39] I might see I’m a good friend billionaires of the world. [01:03:43] Christina: [01:03:43] yeah, I was gonna say like, [01:03:45] Ashley: [01:03:45] you get a PlayStation five. [01:03:49] Christina: [01:03:49] oh, [01:03:51] Ashley: [01:03:51] These are the things I can do for you as your friends. [01:03:53] Christina: [01:03:53] yeah, yeah. I mean, I can also put this. I can help you get a graphics card and he’ll be good. [01:04:00] uh, I can’t help you get shoes because I won’t pay for bots, although I’ve considered it, but I can tell you what they look nice, but billionaires bridge people will totally be your hangers on like we’ll, [01:04:10] Ashley: [01:04:10] be your ears on. So I fine. [01:04:12] Christina: [01:04:12] Well, totally like tell you every to talk. We’ll be the ones that just be the venting boards. Also the ones that tell you, like, when maybe you want to like, not post that on [01:04:21] Ashley: [01:04:21] Dial it back. Yeah. Maybe just take it, take it back a [01:04:24] Christina: [01:04:24] Delete the tweet. Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:26] Ashley: [01:04:26] That’s a good, that’s a good plan. [01:04:28] Christina: [01:04:28] Um, okay. Well, we are, we’re coming up on time and I don’t want to keep you because you have a life and a child and a job, which is why it’s so amazing that you join me. [01:04:39] And this was so fun. Um, I w I wish that like, okay, this is going to be weird. And I’m putting this podcast Brett, and you can edit this out or not, but I would love to like, talk to you more, like, even like, not on podcast things, [01:04:53] Ashley: [01:04:53] No, let’s yeah, but I’ve been thought why we’ve been following each other on Twitter for literally we’re like twin sons. We’ve been [01:05:00] like twin. We are literally like twin sons. We orbiting each other for a million years and we’ve never really chit chat. [01:05:05] Christina: [01:05:05] I know, I know, we’ve been on like podcasts a few times together, but it’s, and every time I’m always like, okay, so, [01:05:11] Ashley: [01:05:11] Yeah. I’m always like good. Christina is so, cool. Like I should hang out with Christina. [01:05:16] Christina: [01:05:16] this is how I feel, so, okay. Friend, friendship. You, my friends like now we’re we’re [01:05:21] This was kismet. It was meant to be, and now we’ve forged a bond cemented in two thousands pop culture that can never be broken.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett [00:00:00]Christina: [00:00:00] You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra Brett, how are you doing [00:00:07] Brett: [00:00:07] I am good. How are you? [00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] good. I am a little tired. So I’m recording this at 6:42 AM my time, which is early. But that’s okay. I’m actually glad we’re doing it at this time because I have like meeting pocalypse today. So I have a brief break from 10:00 AM to 11:00 AM. But other than that, I’m basically booked from the time we do this podcast until 5:00 PM. [00:00:37] Brett: [00:00:37] Yeah, I have meetings basically from I’ll have a half an hour after we end this podcast, unless we go over and then I’m, I have a block of about, it’s only about two and a half hours of meetings, but. [00:00:50]Christina: [00:00:50] Yeah, no. So I’m just going to, I can’t read what they’re for although it’s cool stuff. So I have my therapist at 8:00 AM. Then I have a meeting from 905 to nine [00:01:00] 30. Then I have an hour and a half break. Then I have 11 to 1140, then 1145 to 1220, then 1230 to one 10, then two to two 30, then 3 0 5 to 3 45, then four o’clock to four 40. [00:01:15] Brett: [00:01:15] schedules, a meeting from 3 0 5 to 3 45. [00:01:20]Christina: [00:01:20] They’re doing this thing now and it’s actually a pretty good idea. I’m sure that you will see people probably attempt this. Now that you’re in corporate life too, but there’s apparently with some research done that if you start meetings five minutes later, then that’s better for people or something. I don’t know, dude, I don’t, I’m not the management consultant person. I don’t get paid the money to tell the people how to do this stuff. I don’t care. But apparently because you always wait five minutes for people to get on the meetings anyway, starting them at 3 0 5, starting with the five minute mark that gives people a break between meetings. [00:01:52] I don’t know. I’m not even, I don’t know, but anyway that’s my meetings. I also just got back [00:02:00] from orange county because I was with my friend Juliette for five days, which was awesome. I got home at 10 30 last night, anyway. [00:02:07] Brett: [00:02:07] So I want to come back to the scheduling conversation in a minute, cause I have a cool app to tell you about. But first I want to tell you that I had a physical this week and I’m not dying. Like I was super nervous going into it because my blood pressure has long been an issue. And. It has been it has been mentioned that if I don’t fix my blood pressure, they’ll take away my stimulant medication. [00:02:35]And we know what happens when that happens. So I was very fearful. I went in my blood pressure was like one 20 over 84 which is fine. I don’t know anything about blood pressure, [00:02:47] Christina: [00:02:47] I don’t either. Except my low. [00:02:49] Brett: [00:02:49] but they had no problem with it. It didn’t even come up and everything I’m not, I’m a little overweight, but other than that, I’m seeing a nutritionist next week [00:03:00] voluntarily. [00:03:01]Not because I’m diabetic or anything yet. But yeah, I’m feeling a great sense of relief after passing a physical. [00:03:09]Christina: [00:03:09] Nice. Very happy for you. That’s awesome. I’m glad that you’re not dying. I’m a little overweight you can deal with. If they’re happy with the blood pressure. That’s good. Cause you don’t want to like, like you said, you don’t want to get rid of those [00:03:22]Brett: [00:03:22] Stem Sims. Yeah, no, I really don’t. [00:03:25] Christina: [00:03:25] She says as she’s like yawning waiting for her stimulants to kick in me, they always, okay. [00:03:33] So they’ve never liked threatened to take them away. But they’re vocationally been like Rondo ass doctors who I feel like just graduated from college who were like, your heart, rate’s a little fast. I’m like, Yeah. [00:03:46] They’re like it, you should look at that. I’m like, yeah I’ve been on stimulants for 17 years. [00:03:53] Yeah. Duh, I’m like, is it too fast? We’ll know. And the one time it was too fast. [00:04:00] And by that, it was resting. It was like 150 or 160 [00:04:04] Brett: [00:04:04] Christ. Are you serious? [00:04:06]Christina: [00:04:06] I’m dead serious? [00:04:07]I went in for a heart thing and I wore a heart monitor for a few weeks and they monitored it. Yeah, that was, but that had nothing to do with this stimulus. [00:04:15] I wasn’t even taking the stimulants when that happened specifically, because I was like, I hadn’t even taken them that morning. And it was like that much. And I was afraid I was going to have a heart attack. At that point because my resting heart rate was that. So it’s that has nothing to do with the stimulants. [00:04:32]I did also have one time where it was resting. It was like one 40 or 1 45. And I was taking some of those that was bad too. That was more consistent. And I like with Kartra walk upstairs and it turned out I was in an issue. I was having like an instance of thyroid storm. It was a bizarre, like one-off type of thing anyway. [00:04:49] [00:04:49] Brett: [00:04:49] That like my I don’t think my heart rate is ever been that high. That sounds crazy high to me. [00:04:56] Christina: [00:04:56] oh no, it’s, it is crazy high. I mean That one, the [00:05:00] time when I couldn’t like, when I was winded walking upstairs and I was like, why is this happening? This was about 15 years ago. And it was at my gynecologist who figured it out, which pissed me off because no. Hear me out. So she was great that she figured that out because she was like, okay, Something’s not right. [00:05:18] She was like, your heart rate is really high and I’m concerned. And she was in the exact same office as my endocrinologist, who I had just seen and who they hadn’t really been taking me seriously, that something was wrong with like my endocrine system. And I went in and they were being shitty when we cause it, it was like four o’clock in the afternoon. [00:05:41] And we just walked into their office. We’re like, Hey, I just had, like a gyno thing. And she said that I need to come see you because my heart rate is like ridiculous. And they were like dismissive of it. And then they did the test and then it was weird. You could see them freaking out. [00:05:59]I was very [00:06:00] exposed. I was like, in the middle of the office. And they were just like ripping my shirt off and like attaching all these nodes to my skin to test my heart rate and to give me like an EKG or whatever. [00:06:08] Brett: [00:06:08] That would be terrifying. I’m [00:06:10] Christina: [00:06:10] it was good. [00:06:11] Brett: [00:06:11] you. [00:06:12] Christina: [00:06:12] Yeah. I was, and I was like 23 years old, 22 years old. [00:06:15] It was not fun. But Yeah. The, when it happened two years ago, when it was that it was a limited thing and I wasn’t even stressing, but it got out of the shower and my apple watch was the thing that notified me that my heart rate was excessively high. [00:06:30] Brett: [00:06:30] Yeah. That’s [00:06:31] Christina: [00:06:31] So it is handy. [00:06:33] So you’re not dying. You just need a little lose, a little weight. [00:06:37]You have good health insurance now. Like you had good health insurance before, but now you have like corporate health insurance. [00:06:43] Brett: [00:06:43] I’ve got rich people, good health insurance instead of poor people, good health insurance. It’s not as good, like this HSA, thing’s going to kill me the first couple of months of filling my meds. It’s going to cost me over a thousand bucks a month for the meds. [00:06:57] Christina: [00:06:57] Yeah. But then you’re going to bid the get, but then you fit your [00:07:00] deductible and you’re good for the rest of the [00:07:01] Brett: [00:07:01] yeah. And I’ll pay all of that out of the HSA account. So it’s all fine. Except I think we talked about this last week because I have $6,000 in like a flex spending account, but I don’t, I didn’t ever get a card for that account, so I don’t have access to that money and I’m still waiting still out. [00:07:24] It’s all going to be fine. Anyway. [00:07:26] Christina: [00:07:26] Fine. I will tell you this, unless you’re going to spend that $6,000, do not get a flex spending account when you redo your stuff in November. Because I think that they made an exception for this year for some of the stuff, but usually it is a use it or lose it thing. [00:07:45] Brett: [00:07:45] Oh, no. This specifically carries over in full [00:07:48] Christina: [00:07:48] Okay. Okay. But there are for FSAs, there are limitations on what you can use stuff for. So be careful with that, like medications and things like that are fine. Like contact lenses, [00:08:00] [00:07:59] Brett: [00:07:59] dentistry. The reason that I put six grand into it is because, so I’m getting four teeth pulled out and we’re act we’re taking next week off. And then again in July, we’ll be taking a week off because I’m having. A large number of teeth removed from my mouth and the plan when I was on poor people, insurance was to get fitted for partials, which are false teeth which like I was not emotionally prepared for. [00:08:26] But now that I have dental coverage with major dental and a $6,000 spending account, I am hoping to get implants instead, which will be for me so much more emotionally, easy to have [00:08:44] Christina: [00:08:44] yeah, I know implants are going to be so much better than whatever the partials which I’m guessing. Is that like a thing that you would wear, like you would put it underneath, like you’re like a retainer thing. [00:08:56]Brett: [00:08:56] It like clips in or around your gum [00:08:58] Christina: [00:08:58] that’s what I, that’s what I meant. Okay. [00:09:00] That’s what I was. [00:09:00] That’s what I was trying to describe it. I obviously didn’t understand it correctly. So yeah. So that would be way better. So yeah. So with the implant, which is the, yeah, it was just the rich people version of the same thing, but it looks better and we’ll make you feel significantly better as you should. [00:09:14] Brett: [00:09:14] Yeah. I just I have all these memories of my grandparents taking their teeth out at night and like putting them in like the fizzy water. [00:09:22] Christina: [00:09:22] Yeah, me too. Me too. [00:09:24] Brett: [00:09:24] not ready for that. [00:09:25] Christina: [00:09:25] No, I agree. I agree. No, especially since now, you don’t have to, which is there are like a lot of pluses to being on your own and Indy and paying for your own like premiums and all that. [00:09:37] And then there’s a lot of pluses of selling out [00:09:39]Brett: [00:09:39] Yeah. I have [00:09:41]Christina: [00:09:41] And you shouldn’t because yeah. [00:09:44] Brett: [00:09:44] Okay. Oh, and man, my job is going to crate. Like I’m busy now. Like for the first couple of weeks I felt oh, this is maybe too easy. But now I’m busy. I got lots of stuff on my plate, but it’s all stuff. That’s exciting. Everything from, Jupiter notebooks to [00:10:00] setting up Jekyll and get hub repos and building style guides. [00:10:04] And this is fun stuff. I’m having a blessed, good times. [00:10:08] Christina: [00:10:08] I’m very happy. I wanted to ask for an update. Have you gotten to Jupiter notebooks? [00:10:12] Brett: [00:10:12] I spent yesterday trying to, they have this platform called Terraform for like scripting installs. [00:10:22] Christina: [00:10:22] Yes, No, I was going to say you would like Ansible and Terraform a lot. It Terraform for the listeners is its own language kind of Syntex, for being able to script various like dev ops sorts of things for installing applications, setting things up the idea being instead of having to learn. [00:10:40] Like every single command maybe that you would use for whatever platform you’re on, you can use Terraform scripts that has its kind of own language. Hashi Corp is the one who makes it and they actually just hit version one dot O which the naming is more for going forward then [00:11:00] like it’s hit some big milestones. [00:11:01] If you’re on like a.one, five or.one, five, two, like it’s fine. It’s basically the same thing, but they just hit one point. Oh, so congrats to them. Sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt you. Go [00:11:10] Brett: [00:11:10] No, that’s okay. I spent almost two hours getting all of the environment variables and everything figured out so I could find it. Run the Terraform script. And when it finally ran, it told me that it has no it can’t compile on an arm chip. So now I’m redoing the whole process in a cloud instance and it’s going to be fine. [00:11:37] I have my own container. I’ll run the whole thing there, but anyway, I have not gotten to the actual Jupiter notebook part yet. [00:11:44] Christina: [00:11:44] Okay. You’ll get there. One thing I’m also going to give you as a tip and arm thing would still be an issue because they would need to update those scripts. And I’m sure that some people have done it, but for whatever you’re using, it’s not there yet. [00:11:55]Visual studio code has a feature where you can [00:12:00] you could use them on any service. [00:12:01] Like it’s obviously optimized for Azure, but you don’t have to use Azure. You can even use local containers or your own local server or whatever, but it has the ability for you to basically do local instances, like on your M one Mac where you could be accessing a dev container someplace else. So it would be like, Really good. [00:12:23]JetBrains I believe is working on a similar feature. They’re not quite there yet. But they are working on a similar feature. So if that’s what you’re you are using or people out there are using, you can for things like sublime text, this is where sublime text, unfortunately and congrats to them on their latest, 4.0 or whatever. [00:12:39] This is where they’re going to fall behind people like no butts. You, unfortunately, if they don’t have these sorts of tooling things where you can connect remotely, have a remote extension where you can connect to a container living someplace else, and then natively access all of your tooling and extensions locally, but you’re doing it on a box that’s in the cloud or on a remote server [00:13:00] or on another computer in your house. [00:13:03]I think that those things are gonna fall behind, but anyway it’s pretty cool. [00:13:06] Brett: [00:13:06] We’re also going to get back to complaining about sublime text in a little bit. [00:13:10] Christina: [00:13:10] Yes. Good classic overtired content. [00:13:12] Brett: [00:13:12] So here’s the scheduling thing I wanted to tell you about work related. So with the new exchange server that I have to use for calendaring, I can no longer use fantastic owl, which has long been my calendar choice on my Mac and my iPhone. Fantastical is a great app. I’m sorry to lose it, but I just, I can’t add my work calendar to it. [00:13:35] They don’t approve it as a platform. [00:13:37]Christina: [00:13:37] Okay. Real quick question for you. We’ll take this offline, but do you use office 365 as your, do you use exchange as your calendar system? [00:13:46] Brett: [00:13:46] It’s office 365 is the URL. [00:13:49] Christina: [00:13:49] Yes. And but then you get a notice from fantastic hell saying that the admin has to approve [00:13:54] Brett: [00:13:54] yes, exactly. [00:13:56] Christina: [00:13:56] All right, [00:13:57] We’re going to take this offline. It’s possible that [00:14:00] this won’t work, but I’m going to give you an endpoint to try, rather than the one that’s built into fantastical. If you use the version one end point, it’s possible that you might be able to get it to work because I was able to, I worked with Michael and Keith and some of the other people at fantastic Cal for months and was able to find a work around for my calendar. [00:14:19] So I will send you that in point no promises, because I don’t know how Oracle system works. And it’s possible that the permissions that you have set wouldn’t even work on the V1 API, but it’ll give you something to try just to see if you can. But, [00:14:31] Brett: [00:14:31] And then you can fix my VPN, but in the meantime, [00:14:34] Christina: [00:14:34] but in the meantime, tell me about this other calendar nap, because I would love to know about this. [00:14:38] Brett: [00:14:38] So the thing that aside from all the natural language event creation and fantastical, which is like its best feature I really liked having a calendar in my menu bar that I could just drop down and see my agenda, see a quick view of the month. And and I couldn’t find a good way to do that. That just [00:15:00] used calendar, which is easy to set up with the exchange account or the office 365. [00:15:05] So then I found this app called data or data. It’s D a T O I’m going to go with, I’m going to go a data. [00:15:14] Christina: [00:15:14] Yeah. I was going to say data was how I would say it, but I could see either way. Yeah. [00:15:18] Brett: [00:15:18] and it puts, it gives you the little calendar icon with the current day in your menu bar, you drop it down. It has all of your meetings for the next two days for today and tomorrow. It has like color coding for which calendar it’s on. It’s got the mini view of the month with all, with up to three dots per day, which is useless when you have 20 meetings a day. [00:15:40] But and you can hover over any meeting in the list. And with one click join a zoom call and it can put maybe 300 pixel wide text description of the next upcoming meeting in your menu bar. And you can just click that to join like a zoom call. So it’ll [00:16:00] say sync up with your boss and in 25 minutes. [00:16:03] And then when it gets down to one night, you just click it and it starts the zoom call. It’s perfect. For filling the gap that fantastic. How left forum? [00:16:12] Christina: [00:16:12] that’s awesome. Yeah. Cause fantastical has that same feature where it can it’ll recognize like Google meet or zoom or teams meetings and your menu board. That’s awesome. And so this one, and it works with your O 365 account. [00:16:23] Brett: [00:16:23] What, anything that I can set up through calendar [00:16:26] Christina: [00:16:26] Got it. Okay. [00:16:28] Brett: [00:16:28] it doesn’t have, it’s like basically you set up all your accounts through calendar and it just mirrors them. [00:16:33] Christina: [00:16:33] okay. And and I’m looking at this now, so this is the Mac app 6 99. All right. I’m going to try this out and see, cause I might pass this off to my coworkers cause I have some coworkers who would have a hard time getting the fantastical work around to work. Because well, and honestly it’s partially, some of it is partially on their stuff. [00:16:51] So this is from Cindra soar, hos who? Oh yeah. He, I was going to say his name sounded familiar. So he did the refined get hub [00:17:00] like browser extension. And he made an app called Lugo, which is similar to amphetamine to keep your Mac awake. So I knew I knew I recognized his name. [00:17:08] Brett: [00:17:08] long ago. Wasn’t it? [00:17:09] Christina: [00:17:09] Lingo. Yeah. Lingo. Yeah. [00:17:11] Yeah. So that’s that’s him. But he also, it was a leader of like refine get hub, which the hub team actually adopted some of his features officially into, get up so nice. [00:17:22] Brett: [00:17:22] Free tip. The other thing that I loved about fantastic, how was having a hot key to pop up my calendar? Day-to doesn’t have that, but if you use what bartender version four has a new feature where you can assign hot keys that will either left or right click any menu item in your menu bar, even if they’re not shown in the current menu bar which means you can basically have a hot key that left clicks your calendar and pops open the screen for you. [00:17:52] Christina: [00:17:52] brilliant. [00:17:54] Brett: [00:17:54] Yeah. I’m adding bartender to our show notes cause everyone should use bartender. [00:17:58] Christina: [00:17:58] should use it. And it’s also its own [00:18:00] set up. So [00:18:01]Brett: [00:18:01] Yes. Dado is not on setup. We should talk to him about that. [00:18:05] Christina: [00:18:05] we should. Yeah. Cause I believe that. [00:18:06] Longo is [00:18:08] Brett: [00:18:08] Yeah is at least one of those caffeination apps on set up. I can’t remember which one I’m using. [00:18:15]Christina: [00:18:15] I’m opening it now, which is great radio for all of us and it just installed the newest version. It’s taking a second, but yeah. I’m pretty sure that one is on setup. But if not $7 for for this, I’m going to buy it and try it out and see how it works, because I might be able to give it to some of my colleagues yeah, Longo is on set up. [00:18:36] So hopefully he will consider putting data on it too. You should talk. You should talk to him about it. I don’t know him. I just [00:18:43] Brett: [00:18:43] I don’t either, but we’ll, we’re about to meet there’s this interesting like line and I think it’s true for both of us when. We’re a little bit tired. Our response times are pretty shitty. And then we forget a lot of words, but then we get [00:19:00] towards that over tired point. And like suddenly we, we have like less space between our sentences than, a listener would appreciate. [00:19:10] So you’re on that leg, just tired edge. And we either, we want to get you either to hopped up on speed or get [00:19:19] Christina: [00:19:19] it’s about to click in. No, I was going to say it’s about to kick in. Cause I’m definitely at that point right now where I’m like, oh yeah. Okay. I feel this. So we’re about to be about to not drop my words [00:19:31]Brett: [00:19:31] What’s awesome though, is we’ve talked about descript before, but with the script I can just pop in, like I’ll run these audio files through Auphonic multi-track and then pop them right into descript, hit, remove word gaps, and it’ll find every pause greater than X number of seconds and just pull it out. [00:19:51] It’s like it’s one, one click. I love it so much. And when I do interviews on systematic, if someone needs an edit, if they’re like, Hey, wait, [00:20:00] can I do that again? I just say the words edit here. And then when descript loads up the transcript, I just search the text for the words, edit here and then select the text that shouldn’t be in the final recording hit, delete, and my files edit. [00:20:15] It is the greatest podcasting tool I could possibly name. [00:20:20] Christina: [00:20:20] that’s awesome. [00:20:22] Brett: [00:20:22] I’m going to add that to our show notes too. [00:20:24] Christina: [00:20:24] You should, because that’s like a, that’s one hell of a endorsement, to be honest. And there I go again. No, but that is actually one hell of an endorsement for you to say is the greatest podcasting tool you could ever think of. So well done. [00:20:36] Brett: [00:20:36] Yeah. So I’m going to, I’m going to skip down because I don’t know what thirst traps are and I want you to tell me what a thirst trap is. [00:20:44]Christina: [00:20:44] Okay. So a thirst trap is when you’re a woman and you take like a hot photo of yourself and you put it in Instagram. And part of it is. [00:20:52] because you feel like you look hot and you want to show it off. But another part of it is because you definitely are asking for people [00:21:00] to comment. [00:21:01] Brett: [00:21:01] Cool. I noticed you, I believe posted a swimsuit picture recently. [00:21:06]Christina: [00:21:06] I did. I posted a and I was a little, I was unsure. I posted some on Instagram story. Sometimes I’ve done that before, but I’ve never really posted one on main. And because I don’t know why, actually this is an interesting thing to have a conversation about. So I spent, okay, We didn’t have Instagram and Facebook and things like that in my early twenties, but then we started to, but I started working and became more of a public figure. [00:21:33] So not public, but like in the public eye and whatnot. And I felt like it was one of those things where I was like, all right, it’s inappropriate for me to act like everyone else, my age and post photos of myself on bathing students, because I have all these strangers who follow me on the internet and it’s related to my job and whatnot. [00:21:49] And I still struggle with that a little bit. Cause I’m like I’d like to share my life and to be able to do updates like anybody else, my age or even younger, even older or whatever. [00:22:00] But I feel like I can’t and I just finally, I was like, fuck it. And I was on the beach on a Sunday and I was like, fuck it. [00:22:09] I look good. And I posted a third time [00:22:13]Brett: [00:22:13] how’d it go. [00:22:14] Christina: [00:22:14] pretty well, less creepy DMS than I was expecting. There were some. And that I ha I had to block a few people, which is fine, but that’s always going to happen, but yeah, it was interesting. I did find out something horrifying. [00:22:29] Brett: [00:22:29] What’s that [00:22:30]Christina: [00:22:30] I don’t even want to mention this because now people are going to look it’s disgusting. I had nothing to do with it. So I want to be very clear on this. So apparently there is a Wiki that [00:22:40] people have compiled celebrities feet. [00:22:45]Brett: [00:22:45] yeah. [00:22:46]Christina: [00:22:46] Okay. Apparently some podcast was mentioning this and a friend of mine was making fun of me and he was like, oh, just wait until. Cause, cause I posted some photo of something and you see my feet or whatever. And he was like, oh Yeah. we just wait until that’ll be on some [00:23:00] sort of foot, fetish website. [00:23:01] And I deemed him. I was like, yeah, that’s never going to happen. I’m never putting my feet on a foot fetish website. And then he DMD me and he was like, I was joking with you, but I checked. And yeah, your photos are on there. [00:23:13] Brett: [00:23:13] Yeah. I don’t think people put their own feet on those websites. [00:23:17] Christina: [00:23:17] No, they I didn’t understand what he was saying. And I, so yeah, cause someone has taken the time to go through my Instagram posts over the years. There was even one where I was like on an airplane and I wasn’t even taking a photo of anything that you could see my toe in the shot. [00:23:36] Brett: [00:23:36] yeah. [00:23:37] Christina: [00:23:37] Anyway, I was pretty creeped out, [00:23:38] Brett: [00:23:38] Is put fetish, like early a guy thing. I’ve never heard of anyone having a fetish for men’s feet. [00:23:44]Christina: [00:23:44] I’m sure that there are some people who do I don’t think it’s as common. [00:23:49] Brett: [00:23:49] Have great feet. And if anyone wants photos of my feet, for whatever purpose, I’m happy to share. I don’t feel like that’s too weird for like my [00:24:00] own personality. I’m [00:24:02] Christina: [00:24:02] Actually, I take that. Actually, I take that back. I know some dude who has sold photos of his feet online. Now I will say it was probably to other men. So I’m not sure like how that breakdown goes and look, I don’t want to kink shame. I’m sure there are women who there’s some women who get off on it too. [00:24:19] I’m not trying to kink shame. What I’m saying is I’m not super into the idea that someone has added me to this. Also, this is fine. I have two and a half out of five stars. I have. okay Feet. That’s actually probably if we’re being honest, more like kind than maybe it should be because I don’t have great feet. [00:24:42] I know I don’t, my toes overlap in a weird way. Like my middle toe overlaps over by my first and my, my, my second and my fourth toe. So it’s I’m, I can give the finger with my feet and. They’re not that attractive. I can be honest about that. I don’t care. I don’t get pedicures. They’re not like all Callister gross or [00:25:00] whatever, but they’re not great. [00:25:02]I don’t know. it. [00:25:02] was weird to find this, like some, there was one where I took a photo of some sort of weird burn I had, I didn’t even post this one. I don’t even think I had an Instagram. I think that I don’t even know where it came from to be completely honest with you. But I know the photo because I was like I’m positive. [00:25:17] I didn’t post this on Instagram. I might’ve posted it on Twitter or something and asked for some feedback on something. Cause I had some major rash or some major like thing and that was on there. So I’m like, I’m horrified if I’m being completely honest with you. So anyway, [00:25:34]Brett: [00:25:34] So with the the net positive result from your last thirst trap, are you going to continue doing this? [00:25:42]Christina: [00:25:42] I don’t know, maybe because I’m in this? [00:25:44] weird thing a common refrain on this show has been my utter refusal to age. And like me dealing with not wanting to age and whatnot. And there’s a part of me that’s pissed off that. It’s I’ve taken my body’s pretty banging right now. [00:25:55] And I’ve taken like my hottest years and I don’t have anything to show for it. So [00:26:00] maybe. [00:26:00]Brett: [00:26:00] Yeah. Yeah. Side note. So my girlfriend L she works at Yarra Knology, which we’ve discussed previously. And it’s like a fiber arts knitting store. And I guess that’s obvious from the name, but she is running their Instagram and in she’s a very detail oriented person who likes to fully understand things she gets into. [00:26:26] So I have learned a lot about Instagram, how Instagram works, how the algorithms work, how to like time your posts for maximum interaction. And like more than I ever wanted to actually know about Instagram, but it has been fascinating to watch her. Like she’s not a social media person per se, but you gave her the job of. [00:26:55] Of running social media and she’s going to [00:26:58] Christina: [00:26:58] got to figure it out. she’s going to tackle it. [00:27:00] Shit. I love that. She’s going to figure it out. She’s going to be like, yeah. I might not be somebody who, this is my natural kind of thing that I’m doing, but you’ve given me a task. You’ve given me a challenge, nettle, Megan, to do it. I’m going to kill it. [00:27:10] which is awesome. [00:27:11] Brett: [00:27:11] yeah. So I, we have two sponsors today and neither of them are actually, oh, I can do a segue here. I can do this. [00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] Nice. [00:27:21] Brett: [00:27:21] Speaking of looking good. [00:27:24]Christina: [00:27:24] Awesome. [00:27:26]Brett: [00:27:26] W it, proper nutrition is a vital part of your health, both for your thirst trap appearance, and just for your everyday feeling good. And there’s no better way to fill nutrient gaps in your diet than with ritual protein. 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That’s ritual.com/overtired [00:31:15]Christina: [00:31:15] Fantastic. [00:31:16] Brett: [00:31:16] fan fucking tastic. Our other sponsor today is text expander and it’s a short read, but we’ll save it because text expanders are, we should have that. See, I could have segwayed into that while we were talking about apps. [00:31:33] Christina: [00:31:33] I was going to say, you could have segwayed into that. Also. You could talk about that with, yeah. there might’ve been another opportunity. We’ll find one though, because we’re actually, I want to talk to you about cable management, because I see on here that I see something that you broke something, and I want to know about this because we were talking, we were, we wanted to get into table two cable management last week. [00:31:50] We weren’t able to. So tell me about this cable management crisis or issues you have. [00:31:56] Brett: [00:31:56] So I posted a picture a couple of weeks ago [00:32:00] of my kitten having made a nest out of the pile of cables behind my desk. And she would just curl up in there, like actually like burrow into the bile. And I realized after that, that I really needed to get my cables under control. So I bought a bunch of like cable clips and a better and on an uninterruptible power supply for my office and and decided to take everything apart and put it back together. [00:32:28] And I watched a bunch of YouTube videos on like cable free desks and how to make everything pretty. And I feel like most of the people making those videos do not have as many things plugged in as I do. [00:32:43] Christina: [00:32:43] Did you not, they did not. Cause I’ve had the same problem. And my office is a total disaster right now and that’s going to be an ongoing summer project. But I, when I’m like at my desk at work, like at the office, when I could actually go into one, I often had that thing. Cause I would try to make my cables [00:33:00] look really nice. [00:33:00] And then I’m like, I have so many things plugged in. So go on. So talk to me about [00:33:05]Brett: [00:33:05] So at this point I have everything has the right length of cable. I bought some longer cables. I bought some shorter cables and where possible I, I ran cables under the table with clips and just had them come up where they needed to connect to things. There’s still like a lot of visible cables, but you can see each one individually and they’re easy to plug in and unplug. [00:33:30] And I’m satisfied. It’s not glorious. I’m not posting pictures. I’m not posting cable thirst, straps. But I’m satisfied. However, in the process, once I get everything plugged back in both of my stream decks, just stop working. Like immediately after plugging everything back in, they both stop working. [00:33:51] I have a mini and a regular and the mini won’t even boot. It just loads up the wallpaper and then flashes. And the regular [00:34:00] one loads up gets the right buttons and they work for about 45 seconds before they just, and I miss them, [00:34:09] Christina: [00:34:09] That’s frustrating. And what does support say? [00:34:11] Brett: [00:34:11] oh my God. So support they asked me to, unplug it, plug it into different ports, try all these things. And then they have this this package that takes all the debug info and sends it straight to El Gato for you. And I did all of this and I went through a ridiculous number of steps and. [00:34:31] They came back this week and they’re like we analyzed the reports and here’s what we need you to do. And they gave me the exact same list of things to do, and ask me questions that I had clearly in the, you can see my responses in the chain of this like support ticket. You can see that I’ve already answered, like what brand USB port is it plugged into and what type of computer and what version [00:35:00] of the stream, deck software, all of this. [00:35:02] And basically I snooze that email cause I I attempted to just give up on support at this point and find another alternative. But I feel like at least with the many, it clearly doesn’t boot, I’ve plugged it into three different machines. Like it never gets to buttons and it doesn’t show up in the stream deck software. [00:35:23] And that, to me, sounds like a replacement. [00:35:26] Christina: [00:35:26] I would agree with that. And I think that I’m bothered that. They’re just like telling you turn it off, turn it on again, plug it into other things. So yeah, I would yeah, if you can’t even get it to come on, then that does seem like that’s going to be something that they would need to replace. [00:35:40]Brett: [00:35:40] Yes. I agree. We’ll see what happens. I’m not going to just buy more of them. I would like some satisfaction from El Gato customer service. [00:35:52] Christina: [00:35:52] Yeah, no, I agree. And not for nothing, I’ve go I’ve spent like hundreds and hundreds of dollars on their stuff over the last year because they make all the [00:36:00] good streaming stuff. So I bought a stream deck XL. I have the Campbell’s 4k. I have the HD, like the S 60 plus or whatever it is. One of their, streaming capture devices or whatever. [00:36:13] I have a green screen, I have three key lights. I have a monopod, like I have all kinds of stuff from them. And I really hope they come through because if they don’t, then that is going to be really disappointing. Because I would like to spend more money with them because they’re not the cheapest at all. [00:36:32] They charge a premium the HD 60 S plus that’s the one I have and they’re yeah, it’s interesting. Cause they were a Mac company and they long ago, forgone that they sold Alvarado results of course air rather. But like we remember them back in the ITV days, right? [00:36:50]Like I used to know those guys because they were based in Europe and they’re really good people. And I know that they still have good people, but it’s obviously it’s a different, it’s a different sort of thing. And I get it, but [00:37:00] it’s a, it’s one of those things where I really hope they come through because it’s disappointing if they didn’t, if they don’t. [00:37:06] Brett: [00:37:06] Do you remember the H 2 64 encoder? [00:37:09] [00:37:09] Like it was like a dongle. You plugged [00:37:12] Christina: [00:37:12] I was a dongle. Yup. [00:37:14] Brett: [00:37:14] H 2 64 and coding back when computers were slow enough to need offloading of H 2 64 encoding. [00:37:22] Christina: [00:37:22] that was where they made their whole like thing was that they, so they had, they would buy these hell pouch and other like OEM kind of rebate. They would rebadge these other sort of encoder things or over the air TV things or whatever, but then they had Mac software and it would make it, they had a really nice interface and they were early into the Twitch game. [00:37:42] So when Twitch, so when Justin TV pivoted from being live streaming, like normal people stuff to video games, because that’s what everyone was doing. And they renamed themselves Twitch El Gato because of their software became like one of the bigger players in that. And then Twitch obviously blew [00:38:00] up and Amazon bought them for a billion dollars or whatever. [00:38:02] And it was just this weird thing. As an outsider, I would watch like more and more people use this like obscure, tiny company that like I used to have conversations with. But yes, I do remember the Aisha 2, 6, 4 coder. Cause I believe I had one. [00:38:14] Brett: [00:38:14] Yeah, me too. Yeah. Back in the two odd days when we were publishing video interviews and everything, I was encoding them with. I don’t remember what the name of the product was. Maybe it was something as ridiculous as H 2 64 encoder, but. [00:38:27] Christina: [00:38:27] Yeah. I can’t remember the name of it now, but yeah, but. [00:38:29] I remember using that too because had the two off and downloads squad days. Yeah. Because we needed that. Cause it was like, okay, my computer is not powerful enough to do this. I need to [00:38:39] Brett: [00:38:39] and we’re on the floor of Macworld and we [00:38:41] Christina: [00:38:41] We’re on the floor of Macworld exactly. It’s we literally have to get this up. [00:38:45] We’re on the floor. Our computers are not powerful enough. That, there weren’t software or hardware side encoders built into them yet. Yeah. So funny. It’s so funny how much that stuff has changed, but it’s also funny that even back then, like those devices weren’t that expensive. And [00:39:00] that was a really clever way of figuring out okay. [00:39:02] We can just offload, this sort of thing with it. [00:39:05] Brett: [00:39:05] so Macworld story. I w we were staying, I think, at the Mosser and it was like Mike Rose and Mike SRAM and Victor, and me, and maybe you were there. But I, so I had my own hotel room and. I had spent the evening holed up in my hotel room as I am wanting to do. And in the morning we were sitting in the lobby and I, Mike asked for something, I needed to show him something. [00:39:32] And I flipped open my computer for the first time since being alone in my hotel room. And it was like full screen porn. And I like real quick, I’m like command Q command Q and I tried to play it off. Like nothing happened. Mike was kind enough. He didn’t say a word, but there was, it was this it was definitely a weird moment for me. [00:39:50] I’ve never been so busted on that [00:39:53] Christina: [00:39:53] Oh my God. It happens to everyone at some point we’ve all had, I’ve never had porn play, but I’ve [00:40:00] definitely had like photos that I took or other things like that people have accidentally seen. And that’s definitely one of those. Yeah. [00:40:08] We’ve all had those moments and I’ve definitely seen people accidentally pull up their porn. [00:40:12] So the good thing is [00:40:14] Brett: [00:40:14] Post this screenshot where you can see the tabs in the background of the browser. Yeah. [00:40:19] Christina: [00:40:19] Oh my God. So because of what I used to do which, would be to look for those things to find those sorts of stuff, because those things would go viral or whatever. It’s I’m always incredibly careful whatever tabs I have open, even if it’s something innocuous, I’m just like, I don’t want people to see that I have this website open. [00:40:37] Even if it’s nothing bad, I’m just like, Nope. Not doing it like is actually that reminds me that’s a good segue. That’s how I got into My that’s how I pissed off Kanye west. [00:40:47]Brett: [00:40:47] Okay. Explain. [00:40:49] Christina: [00:40:49] Okay. So he was, this was before we realized he was like unmedicated bipolar. And when he was doing these tweeting rampages and they were fun at the time, like this is, like finger into booty bitch, which is what [00:41:00] Amber Rose said to him when he went off on Amber Rose. And then she was like finger into booty bitch talking about him, which look, we all have our things. [00:41:09] That’s actually a very common one. So not a big deal, but he was tweeting all kinds of crazy stuff. And so I had alerts on Twitter, set up for him and he tweeted this thing about how some new version of something was about to come out. And I looked, he tweeted a safari link and like a screenshot. [00:41:26] And I looked in his tabs and it was very clear this, and he had just gone on this big rant about how like piracy was stealing from him and all this stuff. And mofo was like pirating, Ableton. Like he had opened a bunch of like torrent sites and like pirating things. And it was just really funny. And so I caught this and I tweeted about it and it blew up. [00:41:47] And so I sorry, let me find the link. It’s not wanting to load. Okay, here we go. Kanye west tweets, photo of him showing him using the pirate bay. [00:42:00] And so I, we did a closer look into like he had the pirate bay open and he was looking for various plugins for different things, because he was showing something to often you could see the pirate bay in the background. [00:42:08] You could also see searches for other stuff. And so I tweeted something like Lowell Kanye west has pirate bay links open in safari and his latest tweet and a Mac keeper pop-up and it, the whole thing was just, I just thought it was funny. So his people reached out, they were like pissy. They were like And for some reason, I wonder if his people made him take it down because I’m now getting a 4 0 4 on this anyway. [00:42:32]I heard from some of his people and they were like, they wanted to tell me they were like, no, actually Kanye uses a Mac and that was on a Samsung monitor. And I’m like, yeah, it was connected to an external monitor, but it’s clearly a Mac screenshot. Like they were trying to tell me that it wasn’t what I knew it was. [00:42:49] And they were like, trying to tell me like, like his publicist or whoever. She was like being very like clear. She was like no. This isn’t actually what you think it is. He would never do this then. So was a first, first I was trying to clean. It was a different computer. [00:43:00] Then the claim was, oh no, this was completely on purpose. [00:43:04]And it was a joke. [00:43:05] [00:43:05] So let me find the thing that I wrote because the headline was pretty funny. It was like Connie westerns, this pirating photo was just a joke. And let me see. Okay. Kanye west doesn’t pirate you guys. It was all just a joke on Tuesday night, westward photo of his computer running safari with a tab open to a Sudan Steven’s video on YouTube. [00:43:24] Eli viewers noticed that among the open tabs was the pirate website, the pirate bay, but now a source close to Kanye west tells Mashable that the photo that set up the entire controversy was actually a joke. Kanye was just trolling us. Obviously. Then I put, Jennifer Lawrence, Jeff there, he says the source says that Kanye, the west thought it’d be funny to have pirate bay links appear in the photo since he is very aware that the life of Pablo has been illegally downloaded more than half a million times, because he just bitched about how much Pablo had been strained. [00:43:53] And it was like the source of goes on to note that the computer in the photo does not belong to west who uses a Mac book. Then I put the computer question [00:44:00] is a Mac. You can tell by the UI and window Chrome, plus the fact that it’s running safari, but it’s connected to a Samsung monitor. I’m told that all the west did take the photo and he did purposefully pull up the tabs in the image. [00:44:10] He meant the whole thing as a giant troll. And I put now maybe I don’t get the joke, but it isn’t clear to me why the pirate bay links in question were associated with a record CRM, $189 a piece of software co-founded by the EDM artists dead mouse. Wouldn’t it be funny, or if Kanye had been downloading his own album, which it would have been Steve Duda, who co-founded transfer records, wasn’t laughing either. [00:44:32] Is obviously not a joke cause I don’t deserve to be targeted of a joke. It makes no sense. You told me that shovel, the browser tabs were properly were probably an oversight. And while I expect it, wasn’t Connie’s personal action. More his producer slash engineer, you can see ProTools in the left side of the browser window, calling it a joke, feels like a poor lie. [00:44:49] And if somehow true in poor taste anyway, his people were very angry with me after this. But I thought it was hilarious. [00:44:57] Brett: [00:44:57] I feel like w if you’re Conway, Kanye [00:45:00] west people, you’re probably always it’s probably in the job description that you have to be pissed off at a lot of people. A lot of the time. [00:45:07]Christina: [00:45:07] At one point they’d offered me to maybe have some sort of interview or whatever. So we followed up and they’re like clearly you didn’t take your articles seriously. I was like, op. I’m sorry, you just lied to me. Like you literally just lied to me and told me the most convoluted story, because I got on the phone with this woman and I was like, okay. [00:45:21] So you’re telling me that he intentionally pulled up these things and then took the photo and shared it and that it was supposed to be the subversive joke. Yes. So I said, okay cool. I’m going to well, and the thing is that the story would have died if they had just been like, it was an errant tweet, whatever. [00:45:35] I wouldn’t have even written a follow-up when they lied to me, I then I was giddy. I like burst into Jim Robert’s office. And I was like, Jim Kanye is, people just came up with the most convoluted lie. And now our story that, because I was the one who noticed it first and I was the one that made it become like a trending topic. [00:45:54] I was like, now we get like another six hours out of this. [00:45:58] Brett: [00:45:58] Yeah, I feel like your meds have [00:46:00] kicked in. [00:46:01]Christina: [00:46:01] They have [00:46:01] Brett: [00:46:01] you want to do the next read? [00:46:03] Christina: [00:46:03] let’s totally do the next raid. All right, let me pull this up. All right. Episode is brought to you by text expander would be great for someone like Kanye west to instead just have, they could expand texts for apologies. This would actually be really Good. [00:46:17] for his publicist, instead of always having to be like, I’m so sorry, whatever. Just have a few key commands and issue out the standard apology. But Tex expander from our friends at smile takes the repetition out of your work so that you can focus on what matters most. 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[00:47:19] Christina: [00:47:19] no, that’s the thing, like if I don’t have access to my text, expander, snuff, it’s hard. And to the point that like, I’m really glad they had a windows version because not everything that I do, but a lot of the things that I do, I can use cross-platform if I’m doing it that way, there’s a web version too, but it’s really great. [00:47:36] Like I use it. I use the scripting feature all the time, as I’m sure you do, just tying. A couple of characters to executing an apple script. But sometimes I also do it for, other things like I’ve done this before. I’ve talked about this before, but when I’m doing demos and this is a very common thing where I’m doing demos in a video, or if I’m doing a live stream or live at a conference back when those were a thing, I would have a lot of the [00:48:00] commands that I would need instead of having to use, something like Terraform or memorize, the different things. [00:48:04] Like I would just have that committed to if you text expander, keystrokes so that I could do that more quickly without having to like, Worry about mistyping, which is just fantastic. Tex expander can be used on any platform in any app anywhere you type take back your time and increase your productivity. [00:48:22] Now, overtired listeners get a 20% off discount off their first year, which is awesome by visiting textexpander.com/podcast. That’s text expander.com/podcast, and you’ll get 20% off your first year into the repetition in checkout text expander today. [00:48:40] Brett: [00:48:40] Great read Christina. [00:48:41] Christina: [00:48:41] Thank you, Brett. [00:48:42]Brett: [00:48:42] I did want to mention one more app since we’re back to apps now. [00:48:47] Christina: [00:48:47] I love it. [00:48:48]Brett: [00:48:48] So I, it was pointed out to me that like I’ve gone through all of these XLR cough buttons, right? I’m on my leg. Third setup. [00:48:57] Christina: [00:48:57] them. Yes. [00:48:58] Brett: [00:48:58] And it was pointed out to [00:49:00] me that if you use a loop back by rogue Mia Rogan, Miba, you can just create a virtual device that just takes the input from your XLR interface and then goes into, like the two inputs and don’t put a monitor on it. [00:49:19] And then that device becomes a USB device that an app like shush can mute. And it works perfectly except for, shush, the, which was previously my top choice for a USB microphone meeting, also mutes any other virtual devices and loop backs. So it would actually mute the other end of the call [00:49:43] Christina: [00:49:43] other person do. Okay. So shush, isn’t going to work, but you could use, but you can create like your own other sort of thing with that. [00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] And I found this app called microphone with a K. And it lets you specifically pick a USB device to [00:50:00] mute. So I can just, I have a device called mutable complete cause my audio interface is complete audio, so it’s mutable complete and I have it, there’s an extra button on my ultimate hacking keyboard that I don’t use. [00:50:12] And it’s it’s like in the case, so it’s not a clicky button it’s silent and I can press that and mute my microphone. The thing that microphone, the app lacks is a push or a push to mute or a push to talk is only toggle. So I have to click it on and then click it off. And I wish it could work the way shifted, which would be like if you press and hold it, it mutes. [00:50:38] And if you double click it, it stays mute. That feature was what made sure. Awesome. But I do have a software mute now. [00:50:46]Christina: [00:50:46] That’s fantastic. I’m very glad to hear that. And I’m also just while we’re talking about. Things like, so I’m going to try it. I’m going to click on that microphone link that you said, because I, when I finally get my set up the way I want, I’ll probably replicate something like that. [00:51:00] But good shout out to broke amoeba because loopback is great. [00:51:03]Audio hijack, all their apps are really good, but sound source. I live and die by, [00:51:09]Brett: [00:51:09] I’m using three Brogan Miba apps as we speak. [00:51:11] Christina: [00:51:11] Okay. Amazing. And also a shout out for people who it’s not as easy as call recorder was, and it doesn’t, call recorder did one thing really well, which was recording conversations on both sides from Skype or whatnot. [00:51:25] So it’s not quite as easy as that. Although I think you could, you can set up templates that make it very similar, but if you’re looking for something that. Can replace call recorder because you’re on an, in one Mac and e-comm is not going to be bringing it like they’ve discontinued it basically. [00:51:40]You should look into the rogue amoeba apps for sure. [00:51:43] Brett: [00:51:43] All right. I’m gonna I’ll link rogue amoeba’s homepage in the show notes because that’ll take you to sound source and audio hijack and loop back and all of the great stuff they make. Last thing I’ll mentioned before, since this is really becoming a recommendation [00:52:00] episode OWC just finally shipped their thunder bolt for hubs. [00:52:06] [00:52:06] With one port on my M one Mac mini. I can now turn that into three additional Thunderbolt, four ports and one USB 3.2 for whatever that’s worth. But it’s cause you can buy hubs for USB-C or you can buy a Thunderbolt hub, but then it only has USB-C connections on it. And usually not more than two, this gives you three full Thunderbolt for connections. [00:52:37] Christina: [00:52:37] Which is amazing. Yeah. Cause I love who’s the one that I have the Cal digit Thunderbolt three dock, which is amazing. And is I was still highly recommend that for anybody. Like I think that’s the ultimate doc, to be honest, but yeah, the Thunderbolt for doc, I’ve been excited about that. [00:52:52]When I get my pink iMac I’m going to be using that for sure. [00:52:57]Brett: [00:52:57] All right. That was I [00:53:00] appreciate that you woke up during this episode, [00:53:02]Christina: [00:53:02] I hate it too, honestly. I’m sorry that it I’m glad everybody could hear that. While I was awake, I apologize that I wasn’t more awake. I woke up at 6:00 AM to get ready for our show, but it still sometimes takes a little longer, [00:53:13] Brett: [00:53:13] nobody listening to this show is recording a podcast before seven in the morning. So if they have a problem with you being tired, I would like to see them try to do it. I’m not recording. It’s like it’s nine 40 for me. [00:53:26] Christina: [00:53:26] right. It’s like a good time. Yeah. Also in my defense, like again, I got, I had a flight yesterday, so I got home [00:53:35] Brett: [00:53:35] Nope, Nope, no. One’s upset with you, Christina. [00:53:39] Christina: [00:53:39] Fantastic. [00:53:39] Brett: [00:53:39] Sympathize. It’s just, it was fun to watch the progression as well. [00:53:43] Christina: [00:53:43] I appreciate that. I’m glad that people got to hear and listen to the progression. Do we have any new updates? Anybody give us any new reviews? [00:53:50] Brett: [00:53:50] you know what? Let’s have some of that good radio while I load up podcasts [00:53:54]Christina: [00:53:54] Do while we’re, while you’re looking that up we do want to give a shout out. So apple launched their. [00:54:00] Apple lossless apple music, the lossless stuff. And in spatial audio this week and fearless is in spatial audio as our folklore and evermore. So that’s pretty awesome. [00:54:11] Brett: [00:54:11] and our friend Frank Petri, it was the one [00:54:14] Christina: [00:54:14] Thank you, Frank. [00:54:16] Brett: [00:54:16] who notified me of this with a DM that said nothing other than fearless in spatial audio. And I had to decipher that. I actually had to ask Christina w what the hell he was talking about, but, [00:54:27] Christina: [00:54:27] It’s pretty great though. Cause now we get like fully oral like 3d sound, Taylor swift. [00:54:31] Brett: [00:54:31] Oh, we do have a new one from flatbread three 11. The title is over. Myered in great content, not bad. You know what I’m talking about, but really great conversational chemistry. I appreciate the breadth of things here that over-tired is centralized around tech, but can tangent off into the distance without losing the conceit of the show. [00:54:53] Great stuff, five stars [00:54:56] Christina: [00:54:56] All right. [00:54:57] Brett: [00:54:57] five star review. [00:54:58] Christina: [00:54:58] Thank you. We appreciate [00:55:00] that. This is [00:55:01] Brett: [00:55:01] We have an average of 4.8 out of five. I feel like that’s the ideal. If you’re five out of five and then people look in, they’re like, oh, you only have 32 reviews. Nobody cares. But 4.8 out of five people don’t even bother checking. Cause that seems like you could have thousands of reviews and have a good score. [00:55:20]Christina: [00:55:20] That’s the thing you’re like, oh yeah. Cause that must mean you must have tons of reviews if you’re averages. Is that? Yeah, [00:55:25]Brett: [00:55:25] Mac update. I used to advertise with Mac update and they would tell me that the ideal star review score to have was between 4.6 and 4.8. It was considered the most trustworthy, [00:55:38] Christina: [00:55:38] Interesting. [00:55:40] Brett: [00:55:40] of app reviews. Yes. [00:55:42]Christina: [00:55:42] Interesting. [00:55:45]Brett: [00:55:45] Christina, and now that you’re fully awake, get some sleep. [00:55:48]Christina: [00:55:48] Q bread. You’d get some sleep. [00:55:49] too. Have a great rest of your day. Hope your meetings are not too bad. I know you have some of them. I’m going to be gearing up for meeting [00:55:58] Brett: [00:55:58] Yeah, I hope the [00:56:00] same for you. I hope you survive the the meeting pocalypse. [00:56:03] Christina: [00:56:03] it like you, I I’m busy on stuff, which is good. A last project was dumped onto me and which unfortunately I can’t talk about, but when I am able to talk about it in a few weeks, it’s going to be good. [00:56:16]Brett: [00:56:16] Awesome. [00:56:18] Christina: [00:56:18] All right. Get some sleep, Brett. [00:56:20] Brett: [00:56:20] Get some slate, Christina.