Overtired

A short one because we’re all busy people. Maybe us more than you. But we fit in a lot of topics, from how to launder crypto to appreciating 90s mall punk, and everything (well, very little, actually) in between. Sponsor Upstart is the fast and easy way to pay off your debt with a personal loan –– all online. Visit Upstart.com/Overtired to get your fast approval with up-front rates. Show Links Diarrhea Crypto: Everything You Need To Know K.flay Don’t Judge a Song By Its Cover Join the Community See you on Discord! Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]Hey, you’re listening to overtired. I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren, Christina, how are you? [00:00:11] Christina: [00:00:11] I’m good. I don’t know what time zone I’m in, but I’m good. And, uh, how are you? [00:00:16] doing we’re recording finally, there were some hiccups that I think you want to talk about. [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] so many hiccups. I mean, scheduling a loan. [00:00:25] Christina: [00:00:25] I know. [00:00:26] Brett: [00:00:26] I’ll be lucky if this act, if you’re listening to this on Friday, something went really well. There’s a good chance. That’s episode comes out on Saturday. There’s also a good chance. That’s only 30 minutes long because we’re busy people and things got, uh, just what’s the word for when everything goes sideways. [00:00:43] Christina: [00:00:43] fucked. [00:00:44] Brett: [00:00:44] Yeah, everything got fucked. Yeah. So anyway, w last time when we first tried to record this episode, I, I got on and there was this loud hissing that I just assumed was Christina, and then it wasn’t Christina. [00:00:59] Christina: [00:00:59] It’s a [00:01:00] good assumption, but it was not this case. It was actually not my fault. [00:01:03] Brett: [00:01:03] And I, I th so I want to talk about cable management. Uh, I want to come back to this topic, but I ended up taking everything apart. Like I have so many boxes and cables that everything plugs into trying to figure out where this was coming from. And the thing was it’s only in Skype and the audio recorded from the microphone while on the Skype call has no hits at all. [00:01:29] And it’s all very confusing, but I had a zoom call right after and the audio is fine. So if you could talk to Microsoft about this, um, it’s Skype, it’s all Skype [00:01:42] Christina: [00:01:42] Okay. Um, if I knew the Skype [00:01:45] people, I would, and I think they would probably politely listen, but I’ll try. [00:01:49] Brett: [00:01:49] when it does that thing. When you end a call and it says, how was the quality of your [00:01:53] Christina: [00:01:53] Oh yeah. I can do like one. [00:01:56] Brett: [00:01:56] I’ll I’ll do it. It’s it’s it’s my problem. I’ll take care of [00:02:00] [00:02:00] Christina: [00:02:00] I’ll do it too. And then I’ll write it. [00:02:01] I’ll be like, you’re doing something to our audio and we don’t know What it is because it’s recording cleanly, but you’re adding noise and we don’t like it. [00:02:10] Brett: [00:02:10] What do you want us to do? Use Google Hangouts. Come on, [00:02:13] Christina: [00:02:13] Fuck sake. Come on, zoom. [00:02:16] Brett: [00:02:16] everyone. Everyone else is recording through. Like newer, more modern technologies and only people like you may. And, uh, I guess some old school podcasts are still recording on Skype. [00:02:31] Christina: [00:02:31] Yeah, I mean, the thing is, is that it has its issues and I’m not defending that, but it’s also like one of those things where, because I have to use zoom for some things, but zoom is such a shitty company. Like they’re, they’re really just such a terrible company and their policies are just so God awful. [00:02:47] Like the product is good and I’m not, I’m not discounting that. And, and people who choose to use the product, what they’re, because they’re forced to, or because they genuinely just choose to, I have no animosity towards you. Do you like genuinely like [00:03:00] pick whatever the best tool is for you? But for me, if I have a choice, I would rather not like give them. [00:03:07] Access to my stuff because they’ve installed malware on my Mac and I’m, I don’t know, I’m salty about that. Like they, they straight up installed malware on people’s computers. [00:03:17] Brett: [00:03:17] yeah. Yeah. I used to, if I ever back in the day before for like anyone was noticing what zoom was doing, uh, anytime I had to be on zoom for like a customer call, I would run app to lead afterward and clean up after zoom. Cause it installs some shit. It doesn’t need to. And now, now I use zoom like all day, every day and I don’t have a choice, so I just live with [00:03:43] Christina: [00:03:43] Right. Exactly. I mean, that’s the thing, like if you have a choice and this is always the thing that. I say to people I’m like, look, cause some people get really, really like, Anal about what tools they use and privacy and this and that. And like, I’m all for that. If you can do that fine, but they don’t take into account. [00:03:58] The fact that most [00:04:00] people do not have a choice in the tools that they use, especially when it. [00:04:04] comes to work. You do not have a choice. So you can feel like angry and entitled and inflated and like, you know, mad and all the things you want. But the bottom line is like, you don’t have a choice you’re using what you use. [00:04:16] So I’m not going to criticize people for doing that. But when I do have a choice, and again, this isn’t one of those things I’ll, I’ll like push on to other people, right? Like if you wanted to use zoom, I’m going to use zoom. But when I don’t have to use zoom, I’d rather not use the thing that, you know, installs malware on my Mac. [00:04:33] And that does really shady things with giving over information about people’s calls to the Chinese government to get people like kicked off their platform and to like share their identity, to get them potentially, you know, like they just do some fucked up stuff. So I’m not into zoom. I don’t think they’re good. [00:04:51] The product is really good. I think the company is really shitty, but. That there are plenty of companies out there that I think are really shitty and have good products. So that’s, [00:05:00] it is what it is. [00:05:00] Brett: [00:05:00] Hey, we got our first Christina rant out of the way, like right off the [00:05:04] Christina: [00:05:04] We did, we did. Oh my God. Perfect. [00:05:07] Brett: [00:05:07] Um, I now have a working knowledge of over 80 Oracle services. [00:05:12] Christina: [00:05:12] Oh my [00:05:13] Brett: [00:05:13] sure. I shouldn’t say working knowledge. If someone asked [00:05:17] Christina: [00:05:17] awareness. You have an awareness of over 80 [00:05:19] Brett: [00:05:19] right. If someone said, Hey, what does this service do? I could tell them in a hundred words or less. And that is my biggest accomplishment in the last month is just finally [00:05:31] Christina: [00:05:31] that’s actually a [00:05:32] Brett: [00:05:32] finishing the research. [00:05:34] Christina: [00:05:34] No, I mean, the thing is, and I know that you’re like, you’re giving yourself like a hard time on this and, and you think that like, oh, I can’t believe that’s all I’ve done in a month. That’s major, that’s way more onboarding than most people do in a month. [00:05:47] Especially at these types of jobs. Like, trust me. Like I keep saying it over and over again. I’m going to become a broken record for our listeners and I apologize, but the corporate shit moves so slowly that [00:06:00] I’m actually really impressed that you got a a hundred word description of over 80 services in the short time that you’ve been there. [00:06:09] Brett: [00:06:09] Hey, thanks. Um, yeah, next up is, uh, I have to take a course on machine learning in Python and then right. The hands-on learning, uh, uh, like lab for it. [00:06:25] Christina: [00:06:25] Interesting. [00:06:26] Brett: [00:06:26] I’m going to learn a lot about machine learning and probably more than I know about Python too. [00:06:34] Christina: [00:06:34] Yeah, because the Python I’m guessing, and I don’t know, but I’m guessing most of your Python stuff is more script-based. [00:06:42] Brett: [00:06:42] Yes. [00:06:43] Christina: [00:06:43] Okay. So, yeah, so this is a different, I mean, this is, this is data science kind of stuff. So it’s different part of Python, but you’ll learn a lot and you’ll like it and [00:06:52] Brett: [00:06:52] And you’ll like it, [00:06:53] Christina: [00:06:53] no, you will actually. [00:06:54] Um, [00:06:54] Brett: [00:06:54] like learning, you’ll like, it [00:06:56] Christina: [00:06:56] no, you will. I think you’re going to get into it. I don’t know. Have you used [00:07:00] Jupiter notebooks before? [00:07:01] Brett: [00:07:01] what we’re going to be using. Uh, that was my assumption that, that, that was what we’re going to be using. And I was right. And, uh, I have not used it. I am aware of it though. [00:07:11] Christina: [00:07:11] You are going to be really into Jupiter notebooks. Like, it’s going to do, like, you’re going to get really into it. They’re going to be things you’re going to go down this hole. I can already predict this where you’re going to want to like add a bunch of features and change a bunch of things and make it work the way you want it to, for things that it’s not really designed to do. [00:07:28] But you’re going to love the whole idea of Jupiter notebooks and notebooks in general, which, um, it’s interesting because. At my job, there are some of the teams that I work with who are now trying to extend the notebook paradigm into non kind of data science tasks, which is pretty fun. But as like a text editor marked down like person, I’m really excited for you to, to play with Jupiter notebooks because it’s, you’re really gonna like it. [00:07:52] Brett: [00:07:52] I will see by proxy. I also have to learn to like Python, which I currently don’t. [00:07:59] Christina: [00:07:59] Okay. I mean, [00:08:00] Even putting that aside, I’m, I’m excited for you with the notebook stuff, honestly, like, because just with all of your work on, um, Merck and on NB Ault and, um, all that stuff like, and your are shared and, and really like, kind of, I mean, the Genesis of our friendship is a lot of things, but I always think like, were you, you even more than me were like text editor, like nerds, you’re going to really, I’m really excited for you to play with notebooks is this is what I’m saying. [00:08:28] Brett: [00:08:28] I got to tell you about the sublime package I wrote this morning, but first I will say, you know what? I’m not going to say, forget it. Forget how I even start a sentence. I have a question. [00:08:40] Christina: [00:08:40] Yes, [00:08:41] Brett: [00:08:41] Have you heard of diarrhea coin? [00:08:46] Christina: [00:08:46] I have not, but I’m assuming that this is a take on the shitcoin meme and they’ve just made a coin called diarrhea coin? [00:08:53] Brett: [00:08:53] Yeah, I don’t know. I asked Aaron what, uh, what I should talk about on over-tired today. Cause I was grasping for [00:09:00] topics and she just off the top of her, said her head said diarrhea coin. And I don’t know if she was serious. Like it’s a thing and I didn’t have time to Google it before we started talking. [00:09:12] So if there is such a thing as diarrhea coin, we might have to talk about it next week or [00:09:18] Christina: [00:09:18] Oh, no apparent. Apparently it is. It’s called a diet or diarrhea. Coins are de-centralized coins. That are, you know, so they’re built on Ethereum and yeah. [00:09:27] it is basically the latest, like it’s kind of like the latest dose thing. So there was like Shibu coin, like, cause doge coin is the big one that actually has been, become worth money. [00:09:39] Um, it raised up like, so I was way down. I wasn’t, I still haven’t lost money, but I was way down in my high I’m still way down in my high. I’m only up $660, uh, right now, which is about a 50% drop of where I was. Three weeks ago. It is, but it is. Um, but it went on Coinbase and it hit like 44 cents, which [00:10:00] was a lot better. [00:10:01] And I, I probably should have sold them, but I didn’t want to I’m I’m just, I’m in this for the long haul, but I’m guessing. So then there was like the Sheba coin in, because as a Sheba, you knew that is that the dose mascot. And I’m guessing that now this diarrhea coin from what I’m gathering is yet another one of these, like, people are just making, um, Funny coins like that, which, I mean, I enjoy the name of it because has been a meme for such a long time, but I do appreciate the fact that it has the, um, I guess like the, the trading symbol or whatever, you know, for the coin is DIH, which is pretty funny. [00:10:43] Brett: [00:10:43] Did [00:10:44] Christina: [00:10:44] And, Oh this is funny and they’re calling it the most liquid asset ever created. [00:10:47] Brett: [00:10:47] God, that’s horrible. That’s horrible. Did I tell you I’m banned from Coinbase, [00:10:53] Christina: [00:10:53] Did you did because you, you know, try to buy your drugs using Coinbase because which I [00:11:00] could’ve told you eight years ago, or whenever you did this, I could have told you then like fucking amateur move, dude. You don’t, you don’t buy your silk road stuff with Coinbase, [00:11:07] Brett: [00:11:07] Yeah, I, I had no idea. I, it was naive, but, uh, I was kind of desperate at the time. [00:11:13] Christina: [00:11:13] No, I get you. The thing is though, is what you would do just for anyone listening. I know I’m just giving advice on how to. Wash or laundry or money, I guess. I don’t know. And also to be clear, this is the funny thing I’ve never done this. I just read a lot and, um, in better in theory about these things than I ever would be in practice. [00:11:31] Um, if you wanted to do something like this, the thing would be is you would have your wallet on Coinbase. You would then transfer the money to a different wallet that you control. That was someplace else. Then if you really wanted to do a transfer it to yet another one, and then you would use that wallet to make your purchases. [00:11:47] Brett: [00:11:47] but don’t like with Coinbase, you have to authenticate your ID with like uploading driver’s license and everything. Can you open up, can you open up wallets without all that hassle? [00:11:58] Christina: [00:11:58] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like wallets can [00:12:00] be de-centralized they can be hard while it’s like, the idea of a wallet is just, this is something that exists someplace. Like some people have what are known as like, um, like, uh, Like, I guess technically a hard wall. It’d be like, you are printing out like the string of whatever your codes are and you are storing it in cold storage. [00:12:15] That’s what people refer to. Some people have things like tracers and other things, which are like Android devices that are just have one app running and that have different authentication principles and protect your stuff. What you would do is yeah, you could just create another. Bitcoin wallet I’m using any number of services. [00:12:31] They’re usually Java or QT based, which is frustrating. Um, but you could just create one of those. Get the address. And then transfer from your Coinbase wallet to one of those addresses. Um, it could still technically be linked back to you. This is why sometimes like you would, maybe you transfer for multiple things and, and try to kind of like, not have it just be like, Hey, I just, I just gave some, this person, this money, I don’t know what they did with it. [00:12:56] If they went and bought stuff off. The dark web. That’s fine. [00:13:00] Um, I don’t think Coinbase usually goes that far into looking at it, but if you’re using your Coinbase wallet, which as you say is backed with, you know, your driver’s license and your bank account and all that stuff. Yeah. They’re going to look at like where you’re spending money and whatnot. [00:13:14] And if it looks like it’s for drugs or for illegal stuff, then they’re going to be like, yeah, we’re shutting this down. The irony of Coinbase. And then I’ll stop. Is this my last Christina rant is that it is centralizing. Everything has been de-centralized right. Like the whole point of Bitcoin was supposed to be this, this de-centralized thing, but you can’t trace, it’s like cash. [00:13:32] The problem is, is that that’s very hard to use practically. Um, and so. People immediately started creating these exchanges in these more centralized places. So you had Mt. Gox, which, you know, was hacked. You’ve had some other ones. And then Coinbase is really, they took the approach of being like, okay, we’re actually going to work with the banks and the feds and the other stuff, and try to make a go at this they’ve gone public. [00:13:53] They are doing well. And it’s ironic that everybody like points to Coinbase. It’s like, yeah, [00:14:00] totally. It’s completely centralized. And is in many cases the complete antithesis of why you would use crypto. But it is easy to use and, um, gives you a little more, not security, but you know, more, more things than otherwise. [00:14:14] But yeah, like if you’re wanting to use it for like, like things that might be questionable, just transfer that money to a different wallet, which you can do. [00:14:23] Brett: [00:14:23] speaking of wallets. This is going to be a great transition. Are you [00:14:27] Christina: [00:14:27] I love it. I love it. [00:14:29] Brett: [00:14:29] You know, what’s a big hit on your wallet, high interest credit card debt. 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And don’t forget to use our URL to let them know we sent you loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application. [00:16:22] Go to upstart.com/overtired and start lowering your credit card debt. [00:16:29] Christina: [00:16:29] Awesome. And that’s a really good service. I mean, there are a lot of people who like credit cards or interest rates. They’re so predatory it’s it’s it’s. Yeah. So thank you, upstart. [00:16:41] Brett: [00:16:41] I didn’t notice when my debt got high enough, I stopped getting offers in the mail for like cards and loans and things. And now all of a sudden. [00:16:54] Christina: [00:16:54] You’ve been in them [00:16:55] Brett: [00:16:55] That I have new, I have good credit again, and every day I’m getting [00:17:00] offers and it’s, it’s ridiculous. [00:17:03] Christina: [00:17:03] Yeah. [00:17:03] I had a similar thing. I didn’t have the debt issue, but I didn’t have credit. Like I didn’t have, um, stuff that was. You know, I didn’t have any open credit cards or anything like that. And, and that can be the same equivalent as having no credit or not going to bad credit, having no credit. And as soon as I started to build good credit and I don’t have that many credit cards and I pay them off in full each month. [00:17:24] Um, and, and I’m fortunate that I’m able to do that. Like the number of offers I get it’s crazy. And even as Sundays, like American express sends me like an offer. Like they want me to take out loans and do all this stuff like every single week. I’m like, um, I’m cool. Thank you. You know? Bank of America really wants me to buy a house and I’m like, I hate to break it to you. [00:17:43] I cannot buy a house. I Do not have money for the down payment, but thank you very much for offering to finance it for me. Can’t afford it. But thank you. [00:17:53] Brett: [00:17:53] Do you want to know what sad thing I’m holding in my hands right now? [00:17:55] Christina: [00:17:55] What’s that? [00:17:57] Brett: [00:17:57] So I got a text from my [00:18:00] ex-wife who now lives in Ohio and she said, Hey, can I stop by? I have something to drop off and. Uh, so I put together that she was visiting in town and, uh, and I said, sure, but I didn’t ask any questions. And then she showed up while I was in a meeting and said she just left something on the porch for me. [00:18:22] And so I never saw her, but when I went to get the package, it was, you know, my cat Yeti, right. [00:18:30] Christina: [00:18:30] Yes. [00:18:31] Brett: [00:18:31] His sister, I think I mentioned died last year. [00:18:35] Christina: [00:18:35] Yeah. [00:18:36] Brett: [00:18:36] so what she dropped off was one of those pop prints [00:18:40] Christina: [00:18:40] Oh, [00:18:40] Brett: [00:18:40] Jess bell had six toes on every foot. So these are huge paw prints. I’m looking at my, my dead, my ex wife’s dead cats, pop prints, [00:18:53] Christina: [00:18:53] that’s a good band name. [00:18:57] Brett: [00:18:57] like a drone metal band. [00:18:59] Christina: [00:18:59] Yeah, exactly. [00:19:00] Exactly. It’s like total drone metal. Aw, that is sad, but that’s nice that she dropped them off. [00:19:04] Brett: [00:19:04] It was it’s very sweet. Very sweet. Yes. Yeah. It could have been a lot worse. Could have been some weird vindictive. I don’t know my, uh, the possibilities seemed endless, but also I couldn’t figure out what it was. It was a trip, but it’s over now and I have pop prints, so we’re good. [00:19:25] Christina: [00:19:25] That’s awesome. That’s great. I mean, when that great. I mean, it’s sad, but I’m glad that it’s not like I was afraid where you were, that you’re going to pop prints were good. I thought this was going, like, it was going to be like, remains, like, [00:19:38] Brett: [00:19:38] oh God, [00:19:39] Christina: [00:19:39] like, you know what I mean? Like in an urn or something, I was like, that would be really depressing. [00:19:42] Brett: [00:19:42] I still have Emma’s ashes around here somewhere. I always meant to spread them somewhere. She loved, but oh, I did. I split them up. I split them up and I saved some because I think it was going to give them to a, or I don’t remember. But they’re still here. I still have them, [00:19:57] Christina: [00:19:57] Yeah. No. And that would make sense. It would just be one of those things where like, if [00:20:00] somebody left an urn with ashes, like on your doorstep, like that would be, I don’t know, that’d be really sad. [00:20:07] Brett: [00:20:07] you know, the song, self esteem by the offspring. I’m just like, we’re on a tight schedule. So I’m just going to keep like flipping through topics [00:20:15] Christina: [00:20:15] do it. Do it. [00:20:16] Brett: [00:20:16] So I always. [00:20:17] Christina: [00:20:17] no. Yeah, exactly. [00:20:19] Brett: [00:20:19] I hated it in high school and I hated it now. But then Kay, Flay put out an EAP, uh, this year she does, she does a very, uh, downtempo cover. [00:20:32] She does self-esteem by the offspring brain stew by green day and break stuff by fucking limp biscuit. [00:20:39] Christina: [00:20:39] Oh man. Okay. I love all of those except for the fucking limp biscuit song, but I’m now adding this, of course, obviously I’m like adding this to my apple music, Spotify, whatever. Um, and I love what this is called. Don’t judge a song by its cover. That’s funny. [00:20:53] Brett: [00:20:53] So I was, I was upset because she did actually make me, life’s like self-esteem. [00:21:00] [00:21:00] Christina: [00:21:00] I’m sorry for you. Um, I, I really liked that song, so I’ve always liked that song, but we grew up in different times. Like Offspring is a different band for me that I’m sure it was for you and, uh, yeah, [00:21:14] Brett: [00:21:14] was a conglom rip off of like a lot of great classic punk from like minor threat to the clash. [00:21:24] Christina: [00:21:24] You are correct. But my, but because I am younger and didn’t have the exposure to the real shit, I thought that they were good and were more hardcore. And I say, hardcore tongue in cheek. Cause I know they weren’t hardcore, but like I was like, okay. They were like more legit than blink one 82. [00:21:40] Right. Um, which now I kind of don’t even think that’s true, but at the time that was definitely kind of how it felt. So, [00:21:49] Brett: [00:21:49] What age were you? When, when ugly kid Joe was a band. [00:21:54] Christina: [00:21:54] Ah, [00:21:55] Brett: [00:21:55] Do you remember ugly [00:21:56] Christina: [00:21:56] I do remember ugly kid Joe. [00:21:58] let me look. I think [00:22:00] I was like, um, okay, so, so it was, so when they formed, I was six [00:22:08] Brett: [00:22:08] Oh, wow. [00:22:09] Christina: [00:22:09] and, but I guess when they were, when, when their best-selling records that came out in 91, I would have been seven or eight. [00:22:15] Brett: [00:22:15] Wow. I am so much older than you. [00:22:20] Christina: [00:22:20] Yeah. So that’s the thing, like, we’re really not, it’s just the age thing. Like, this is just the weird generational divide, like grant and Kelly, my sister habit too. It’s just, you know, like it’s just that weird kind of like precipice thing. And I have it with people who are still millennials, but then I’m like six or seven years older than you. [00:22:38] know, where, like, I know the references that they’re doing, but I’m like, I was in college and they’re like, I was 12 I’m like, Okay. let’s not talk about this anymore. [00:22:49] You know? So, [00:22:51] Brett: [00:22:51] Yeah. [00:22:53] Christina: [00:22:53] so Yeah, so I totally missed, you know, I’m like, I remember the name, but I didn’t, um, [00:23:00] like listen to them or whatever. Like they probably were on the alternative radio station that, that I did listen to, but I, I wasn’t aware of them. Um, I was really into green day, um, which came out when I was, like, Well, they didn’t come out, but like, uh, um, uh, Dukey came out when I was like, uh, I want to say like, like 11 and that was a really big like, record. [00:23:23] So. [00:23:25] Brett: [00:23:25] I was, I was on the cusp of like, it was still cool. They, they were new enough that like the alternative kids. Like them and they were old enough that it was cool to hate them. Like if you were going to be super punk about it, uh, I kind of, I kind of straddled the line there. I enjoyed that first album of theirs. [00:23:51] They lost my attention very quickly after that, but there was a song, there was a line, something about [00:24:00] boredom and masturbation or, and I don’t remember what song it was. [00:24:04] Christina: [00:24:04] June, June, June, June, June. I can’t think of the name of it either, but, but I, but I know the song. Exactly. Yeah. [00:24:09] Brett: [00:24:09] Yeah, I enjoyed that song. [00:24:11] Christina: [00:24:11] Yeah, no, and I, I, I’m actually going to see green day and follow a boy and Weezer. Um, Adam Dodger stadium in, um, September over like late right before labor day, I guess. And, um, that’s going to be a fun show. [00:24:27] Uh, I was supposed to go last year, but pandemic killed everything. Um, And actually last year it was gonna be pretty awesome. Cause I was going to go see green day, fall up boy Weezer on a Saturday. And then on Sunday I was going to see Taylor swift. And that was so, so I was taking my friend, Katherine. She was going to take me to green day. [00:24:47] I was going to take her to Taylor swift and it was going to be a really, really fun weekend, but that’s no longer the case. But, um, greedy is one of those bands that, like I said, like I was, I was. You know, like 11, I think I had just turned [00:25:00] 11 when, when Dooky came out, like that was like, and it was like a huge album. [00:25:03] Like I remember getting in trouble in chorus class because I missed a, not getting in trouble, but I missed a recital or something because my sister was being crowned homecoming queen. And so. That was obviously my parents that was like, that’s more important. This is what you’re going to do. So I had to write a paper on some musical thing. [00:25:21] And so I went to, um, the library and I got rolling stone and green day was on the cover. And I wrote a thing about green day and then presented it in the class. You have to understand this was like a very prissy teacher. So this was my own very minor act. And you also have to keep in mind that I was like a very like. [00:25:38] Wanting to please, you know, like it does the right thing, like a good student portal sort of person. So this was a subversive act for me to do a report on green day. Um, but, uh, [00:25:53] Brett: [00:25:53] Okay. [00:25:53] Christina: [00:25:53] that was like my active subversion, which is not subversive at all, but for me at that time, definitely felt that way. But [00:26:00] no, I, I, um, Yeah. I think my 11th birthday, I think somebody gave me the Dooky, um, uh, tape and, um, Their stuff has gone back and forth, but they’re a weird band in that, like when American idiot came out like that and introduced this whole younger generation to them too. [00:26:18] And it’s just interesting seeing how they’ve been one of those weird bands blink one 82 is the same way, but like there are these bands that have like transcended generations and have just had these periods where they just kind of come back and like people get into them Weezer similarly too. Um, it’s weird. [00:26:35] Brett: [00:26:35] Yeah. Let’s skip to the end of the show now. [00:26:39] Christina: [00:26:39] Yeah, that’s fine. [00:26:40] Brett: [00:26:40] Um, w I, I apologize to everyone for the short episode today. Um, I do want to put out a request. We have not gotten any new reviews for like two weeks now, and we love hearing from you. I don’t care how many stars it is. I’ll read it, live on the air, just go leave an iTunes [00:27:00] review. [00:27:00] Um, and I really, I want to make. T-shirts and I’m trying to figure out, like my first thought is that the front of it should say, get some sleep, Christina, and the back should say, get some sleep, Brett, and then just overtired, maybe on both sides. I don’t know. But then I was sick and maybe we could make two versions. [00:27:22] We could make a, get some sleep, Christina and some, get some, get some sleep Bret shirts and just let people choose. I mean, it’s not a contest. You would win. Like you’re far more popular than I [00:27:34] Christina: [00:27:34] No, I think you would win actually. I think you would win, but, Um, [00:27:37] Brett: [00:27:37] I really, it doesn’t matter. It [00:27:39] Christina: [00:27:39] It doesn’t matter. [00:27:39] I’m I mean, I’m happy. Like if people want to buy shirts with it, I love that long view is the song by the way. Yeah. [00:27:45] Brett: [00:27:45] Oh, I wouldn’t even recognize the name. Um, I don’t know where to make t-shirts these days is cotton bureau is Teespring. I don’t even know. I’ll figure it out. [00:27:56] Christina: [00:27:56] we’ll figure it out. [00:27:56] We’ll look into it. Um, I think Threadless even still does some stuff Alfa [00:28:00] I’ll we’ll we’ll look into it. Um, also, if any of you have suggestions of places you like to buy shirts, let us know. [00:28:05] Brett: [00:28:05] please do. Um, also I’m going to put out a call. If anyone is, uh, uh, experience with making extensions for vs code, I have built a bunch extension or a bunch package for sublime text, and I would love to port it. JVs code, but I got started with it and then I found out I just didn’t care enough to learn how so if anyone wants to help me port that, please let me know. [00:28:35] Christina: [00:28:35] We don’t hear from readers. Um, text me about this, like remind me like early next week and I will connect you with people that I know. [00:28:42] who will absolutely help with that. [00:28:44] Brett: [00:28:44] All right. All right. Well, thanks for, uh, thanks for the odd timing and, and making, uh, what’s it been half an hour, making half an hour available. [00:28:53] Christina: [00:28:53] Yeah. Truncated overtired. It’s good. It’s good. So, um, get some sleep, Brett. [00:28:58] Brett: [00:28:58] Get some sleep, Christina. [00:29:00]

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Transcript Brett Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]Too overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett. Brett, how are you? [00:00:10] Brett: [00:00:10] I am it’s. It’s free. We’re recording on Friday. We usually record a day or two early, but we went all the way to Friday this time. So I am in the Friday mood. I have no idea what’s going on. I’ve let go of everything. I’m an empty void. [00:00:26]Christina: [00:00:26] Uh, I, I bad, like, it’s been a crazy week for me because as I was telling you before, like I, as I mentioned last week on our episode, I, um, Microsoft build this week. And so. That means that even though, like, my shift was like the final hosting ships was like the final shift, the, of the, um, events. So I was, I like, my call time was 9:30 PM. [00:00:50] And then I left the studio at like 8:00 AM, um, the following day. So that was Wednesday night to Thursday morning. The whole week was still taking up with, [00:01:00] with doing pre stuff, doing some pre-records and doing some other things. And so I’ve been hands down with that. And then as soon as build ended, I got like an hour and a half of sleep. [00:01:09] And then I jumped on an airplane and, um, flew to Atlanta and drive last night, got a rental car. And so grant and I are in Atlanta, uh, hopefully to visit with the baby. The baby is not here right now. And my sister’s being incommunicado, which is typical of her. Uh, so, um, I, I hope I, I mean, we’re going to see the baby because if I have to drive to her house, like just unilaterally make the decision. [00:01:32] Like after we finished recording our podcast, because I didn’t fly all this way to not see a baby, but anyway, [00:01:38] Brett: [00:01:38] you in Atlanta? Just like two weeks ago. [00:01:40] Christina: [00:01:40] I was, I was, and she really didn’t want me to leave. And so I’m here and now she’s being like incommunicado. So not that I’m [00:01:48] Brett: [00:01:48] like either babies or your sister. [00:01:52] Christina: [00:01:52] I don’t like either is the thing like, uh, but I do like this baby, but I, I just felt like she needed me here. [00:01:59] Grant [00:02:00] wanted to meet the baby. We had, you know, long weekend. So I booked a flight. She really didn’t want me to leave when, when I left. And so I felt like bad. And so I immediately like booked a flight, like to be as good as possible for that stuff. And [00:02:16] Brett: [00:02:16] sister. [00:02:17] Christina: [00:02:17] I try, I try, but anyway, so [00:02:21] Brett: [00:02:21] I’ve never been there in that regard for either of my siblings. We don’t have close relationships. It’s very, very surface level. I’m better friends with some of my like friends than I am with my own siblings. [00:02:35]Christina: [00:02:35] Oh, I mean, that’s 100% true for me. Like that’s completely accurate, but, uh, and the same would be true for her, right? Like I should absolutely better friends with some of her, um, you know, people in her life then with me, but I don’t know this is different. Um, this is, this is a more unique situation and I don’t know, I just felt like I needed to be there and it was the right thing to do. [00:02:57] So I’m here. So I’m [00:03:00] a little bit frazzled as well. So I apologize to the listeners for that. I’m actually recording this on my mom’s laptop because I was trying to help get her password situation under control. We’ll talk about that. When we talk about tech things, she has a system where she has a notes file that is very long where she’s basically recreated the one password app where she has like her username and password and a unique password for each thing. [00:03:21] And I’m like, mom, I got you with one password account. Like. A year and a half ago, she’s never used it. So I’m just going to have to go through and manually move everything over and then convince her, okay, you use this app now. This is where you enter your passwords and look, it’ll auto-fill things for you when you’re in the web or an app. [00:03:38] Anyway. [00:03:39] Brett: [00:03:39] So I got, I got one password. I think I, all I know is I, I H I strongly recommended that she use one password and then she tried to get started and she got confused. I don’t, but it is like I’ve been using one password since like the [00:04:00] arts and. I don’t remember how to get started with one password. So I was like zero help with like, oh, here’s, here’s how you get going with it. [00:04:10] Um, I kept meaning to it, like I’m sure the documentation is great. Uh, agile does wonderful with agile bits now does wonderful with that stuff. I just never found the, uh, the, the getting started tutorial to get her on board. [00:04:26]Christina: [00:04:26] Yeah, I think that that is the hard thing at this point for people. Um, one of the problems too, is that at least from my perspective, and I could be wrong on this, but I think that at this point, like when we started using it, um, you might’ve had passwords saved in your web browser that it could import, and you might’ve had, um, passwords, like, like app, like apple had a version of key chain then, but it wasn’t, it was different, you know, than it is now. [00:04:53] Like it didn’t sync things quite the same way. And so like you [00:05:00] had stuff like that and. Now so many people use like iCloud key chain that doesn’t let you export your passwords. Like you can’t just import it easily. Whereas like, I like, if you, if you use like last pass, right? Like if that’s what you were using and you started using one password, like there’s a very easy way where you could import your old last pass files and they would walk you through that process and then all your passwords would be there. [00:05:23] But if you’re using iCloud key chain or you’re using a mix of that, there’s not a way to do that, which. I on the one hand, I understand cognitively that apple would want to make that difficult. On the other hand, I absolutely don’t understand why I can’t get a CSV file or even a password protected file that I have to enter a password for, for the application, even access. [00:05:44] You know what I mean? Like, they’re my files, it’s my passwords. I can view it when I enter in my password and I’m going manually through my key chain, at least on a Mac on iOS. I have no access to any of the contents of certain things in my key chain, like my SSI IDs on [00:06:00] wireless networks or some other things, right. [00:06:01] Like I have no access to that, which is beyond frustrating. Um, and, and, uh, completely kills the whole like idea of oh yeah, you can totally use an iPad as your only computer. Yeah, sure. If you don’t. Want to, if you want to use third-party tools for a lot of other things, including a password manager so that you know what your, you know, um, wireless ID passwords are when you go someplace, if you need to access it from a different device, which Hey, shocker people do sometimes. [00:06:29] Um, but yeah, but they don’t like, I understand not wanting to make it super easy to export your key chain, but at the same time, I feel like it’s an advanced user features. Like you should make it possible. It should be something that, you know, other applications given permission, if you enter in the password around the password project file can have access to like data portability. [00:06:50] I don’t know, call me, call me a freak, but I kind of feel like that’s an important thing, especially with something like your password. [00:06:56] Brett: [00:06:56] Absolutely. Well, I mean, I think the, [00:07:00] the idea is if you can export a CSV of your passwords, so can someone else. And so [00:07:07] Christina: [00:07:07] Yes. And I, and I get that. And I understand that, I guess my point is you should still be able to export a CSV that is encrypted or have some sort of other encrypted format where applications like a password manager that you draw you trust and allow in your store. And you know that your employees use another stuff like one password. [00:07:26] If again, given the authentication and using the password that it needs to decrypt, it could have access to. So it could import that information. Like, there’ll be a way around that as all my point is like, I understand cognitively why you would want to make, that difficult. I don’t understand why it’s not even a possibility, like even through a command line thing. [00:07:45] Like, I, I understand again, maybe like, even if you made it a command line flag feature fine, but because you don’t want people to do that, but I don’t know. Sometimes this is one of those things that is, and it happens. It’s been [00:08:00] happening more and more, uh, frequently over, I would say the last five or six years, but apple goes into, I feel like the mode of where they. [00:08:07] You know, they’re, they’re being parental in a way that I don’t think is helpful to users. [00:08:11] Brett: [00:08:11] So [00:08:12] Christina: [00:08:12] making, you’re making decisions for me. That might be good for, let’s say 75% of the audience, because at this point, I don’t know if we think the decisions are good for like 95% of the audience. I really do feel like for certain things, for certain edge cases, it’s like a 75% thing. [00:08:26] I think some things aren’t, you can’t just run off as a power user thing. You, it literally becomes like a, um, like a, uh, a paper cut for normal people who don’t know any better. And they’re like, why can’t I do this? And that to me is a paper cut, but you’re making these decisions. You have good intentions, but by locking stuff down So [00:08:43] much and being like arbitrary about it, you are really preventing people from using their devices the way that they should be able to use them. [00:08:53] Brett: [00:08:53] did you do, do you know about the security command? [00:08:56]Christina: [00:08:56] No, I don’t. [00:08:57] Brett: [00:08:57] And, and apples, [00:09:00] BSD Unix. There’s a, uh, security command that gives you command line access to the key chain. [00:09:07] Christina: [00:09:07] Oh, yeah. That I didn’t know about. Yes, yes. [00:09:09] Brett: [00:09:09] once you’ll have to unlock your key chain one time, but you can use it in scripts too. Like I use it to get my pseudo password. Like I stored the pseudo password in key chain. [00:09:21] And then from the command line, when the script runs, once I have to unlock the key chain and then anytime it runs after that I can run scripts with, uh, with pseudo capabilities and it has export features as well. [00:09:35]Christina: [00:09:35] Okay. So there could conceivably be a way to copy all of your IDs or whatever, to something scripted and then export it. Okay. So, so that seems like that’s the solution and that’s all I would want. Right. It just seems weird to me that you could potentially do that. There could potentially be a way where you could write that even. [00:09:54] But there isn’t using, you know, the security feature or even using like the way that you would access [00:10:00] key chain from the command line, where you could just export a CSV of all of your data like that. Just [00:10:07] Brett: [00:10:07] there is a security export command, but I don’t know in what format it exports, um, pass for. Anyway, I won’t try to figure it out right now, but, uh, but yeah, we, we should do an episode on password managers. Oh, wait. I think we just did. [00:10:24] Christina: [00:10:24] I think we just did. [00:10:25] I mean, one password is still my choice, but yeah. Anyway, so anyway, I’m on my mom’s computer. That was my long, sorry, your segue. And so like 10 minutes later, that’s what we’re talking about. Uh, Brett, how are you? Let’s get a mental health corner update and a job update. [00:10:38] Brett: [00:10:38] Sure I can do that. Um, we have a new listener, uh, maybe only one, but, uh, my coworker Aaron has started listening to overtired. Uh, [00:10:51] Christina: [00:10:51] Hi, Aaron, [00:10:52] Brett: [00:10:52] she has, only heard the most recent episode, so she has no idea what your Wikipedia like [00:11:00] knowledge of nine oh two one. Oh, sounds like yet. [00:11:02]Christina: [00:11:02] Aaron, you were in for a treat, especially if you love nineties era teen soaps. It’s it’s. It’s good. [00:11:11] Brett: [00:11:11] Yeah. I don’t know where she stands on the teen soap stuff. I’m going to guess. Um, she is more on my side of that than yours, but I think everyone, everyone can enjoy like the absolute insanity of your depth of knowledge, of those things. [00:11:30]Christina: [00:11:30] Yeah, I think I honestly, I feel like it’s one of those things that like, people you hear it and you’re like, okay, I didn’t care anything about any of these shows or any of these actors or any of this stuff. However, the fact that one person does know all this stuff for whatever reason is interesting. [00:11:45]Brett: [00:11:45] So [00:11:46] Christina: [00:11:46] I hope. [00:11:47] Brett: [00:11:47] regarding my mental health, I, I had, uh, like my bipolar, I hit like a depression without going manic first, which is, I can’t remember that ever [00:12:00] happening before. Like the mania always precedes the depression and this time I just had like four days of not deep depression, just like. I didn’t want to be in my office. [00:12:12] It felt like a real chore to get down there. I just wanted to sit on the couch and watch TV, which I know to some people just sounds like laziness, but like it’s it’s clinical. Um, but like immediately following that, I had one day of like hypomanic and then back to normal, it was weird. Uh, it’s a little unsettling that, that my patterns would change. [00:12:36] Right. As I’m trying to hold down a day job, but it also worked out fine because I can do my job when I’m mildly depressed and I happen to be, I think I’m really good at my new job. [00:12:48] Christina: [00:12:48] Yay. That’s really awesome to hear. I’m really happy about that. [00:12:53] Brett: [00:12:53] uh, I’m writing, I’m writing out those 90 services that I’ve been working on for the last couple of [00:13:00] weeks and have like a whole system, my own, like markdown syntax for keeping notes and writing out, uh, blurbs and rocking and rolling on that and starting to work on, uh, get hub, uh, action-based Jekyll workflow pipeline. [00:13:19] It’s yeah, we’re having, we’re having fun. I feel like, I feel like I can, I can do this [00:13:23]Christina: [00:13:23] Awesome. I’m very excited about that. And I’m also, I’m actually excited. I, think you’re going to, I don’t know how much you’ve played with GitHub actions. They’re totally your shit though. [00:13:31] Brett: [00:13:31] I, I actually have not like I’ve worked with Travis and Jenkins, but I’ve never tried to, like, what I basically need to do is replicate some Travis workflows in GitHub actions. And I haven’t explored it enough to know if that’s entirely feasible or not. [00:13:50] Christina: [00:13:50] for most of the stuff you’re going to want to do. Yes. There might be some edge cases where you’re not in that case. I can definitely put you in contact with the right people who would love your feedback on ways they can make actions better [00:14:00] because I know the actions team. Um, and, uh, but yeah, I think you’re gonna like it, like the way that it’s been thought about and the way that they are done. [00:14:10] The setup with GitHub actions, I think has been actually really nice and clever. And what’s nice too, is that people publish their other, their, their actions. You don’t have to, you can keep them private, of course, but people have collections and have actions on a get hub. And so sometimes if you find things like you can like look through and be like, oh, okay, I see how they did this. [00:14:28] And I want to replicate this myself, which is nice. [00:14:31] Brett: [00:14:31] Yeah. Yeah. I, I think, I think I’ll have fun with it also. It’s not entirely on my shoulders, which is like, uh, every it’s I I’ve been working solo for so long. It’s weird to have. A team, um, like a, it’s weird that everything goes slower because you have to get agreement from multiple people. But B it’s nice to have like a fallback. [00:14:57] If you can’t figure something out, there’s someone to [00:15:00] step in and help you out, which is the plus side of having a team. [00:15:05]Christina: [00:15:05] Yeah, it really is. It’s nice when you realizing, oh, I’m not the only person who has to do this. Yeah, it doesn’t live and die by me. It will get done regardless. And as I’d mentioned to you before, and I don’t know how much you’ve been able to pick up on this. Cause it sounds like you’ve been working really hard, which is awesome. [00:15:21] But things do like, not to say you don’t have deadlines, not to say that there aren’t sprints and there aren’t periods, but like you’re in crunch time, but in general, it’s, it’s interesting to me that especially working in like a big corporations, like how much slower things [00:15:33] Brett: [00:15:33] So slow. [00:15:35] Christina: [00:15:35] Right, right. Like that’s the thing, like a project that in your mind, you’d be like, oh, okay, I’ve got to get this done. [00:15:41] And you know, a couple of days and it’s like, it could be a month. Yeah, [00:15:45] Brett: [00:15:45] it’ll be a couple of days before it even shows up as a JIRA ticket. [00:15:49] Christina: [00:15:49] exactly. Exactly. [00:15:51] Brett: [00:15:51] then you have to make your confluence page to track it. Yeah. Yeah. Confluence and JIRA are there. [00:16:00] I don’t think they are amazing, uh, systems to begin with, but I also have to use them over the VPN, which is super slow for me right now. [00:16:10] Uh, yeah, the VPN is still, uh, [00:16:13] Christina: [00:16:13] An issue. [00:16:14] Brett: [00:16:14] Yeah. Like I, I tried to completely remove Cisco any connect from my machine and just use Shimo, but that messed up routing tables, something, it like, uh, any connect overwrites routing tables. And I don’t know enough about this shit to figure out how to undo it. So I had to reinstall any connect and then you Shimo instead of any connect, but with any connects, um, uh, global daemons running. [00:16:43] So it it’s weird. And I don’t understand what I’m doing. And I’m sh I’m taking shots in the dark trying to figure out split tunneling, and there’s gotta be a way to make this work, but I haven’t found it yet. [00:16:54]Christina: [00:16:54] Hi, I trust that you will, and maybe, uh, Aaron or any other, your other coworkers who listened, maybe like [00:17:00] more people can come through, like, uh, uh, the guy, uh, last week who gave you the insight? [00:17:04] Brett: [00:17:04] is still helping me. We, we have a slack going. I [00:17:07] Christina: [00:17:07] SI love it. [00:17:08] Brett: [00:17:08] I think he underestimates my lack of networking knowledge. Um, I have to look up, I have to look up what he says means I have to look up what, what he says means, and then go back to him and say, I need to understand how to implement this. And he’s been very patient. [00:17:30] Uh, but I have not been, I, I feel like I’m not been able to implement the advice he’s given me in the way he expected to at this point. [00:17:42]Christina: [00:17:42] you’ll get there. You’ll get there. I mean, th and this stuff is all like, Yeah, Um, I haven’t had to do VPN tunnels in a really long time, but I don’t know for me. And maybe you’re different on this. Maybe you retain it better for networking. For whatever reason, I will [00:18:00] go really nerdy and really deep and totally understand what I’m doing at the moment I’m doing it. [00:18:05] And then it like totally leaves my mind except for little snippets, bits and pieces later on, like, is this one of those things that for whatever reason I can’t hang on to. [00:18:12] Brett: [00:18:12] Yeah, no, I’ve never, I’ve never gone deep. Like I just don’t have the interest. Like you start talking about network masks and I’m already gone. Like I just, I don’t care. I just want to turn on my computer and use the internet and I don’t, I just don’t want to have to care about that stuff. [00:18:30] Christina: [00:18:30] no, I, I totally, I understand that. I, um, one of the, I mentioned this in our last episode, we were talking about stuff. Like one of the reasons that I, when I was getting into having to learn about different Azure stuff, like we had this big tour that we did Microsoft ignite the tour, and I ended up traveling all over the world for it, which was great. [00:18:48] And we were coming to crunch time. And this was one of those genuine CrunchTime things where we really could have used another couple of weeks, but we didn’t have it. And we needed to create content for the first leg of the tour. But the way that [00:19:00] the content was designed is it wasn’t just like I’m giving a Presentation I was like, I was writing a presentation that other people also had to be able to give. So it had to be more, uh, generic. Isn’t the right word, but I guess more adaptable. Like it was definitely one of those. [00:19:14] Brett: [00:19:14] in a box is how Oracle refers to it. [00:19:16] Christina: [00:19:16] Yeah, basically. Yeah. That’s kind of what our situation was too. And so, you know, w which changes the way you’re writing it, because if I know that if I’m the one who’s giving it, and it’s only going to be me, then I can go super dense on something and do other things. [00:19:30] But instead I’m having to write it in a different way, because it needs to be adaptable for other people and especially people in other languages. Right. Cause it. [00:19:36] might be translated, but, um, and I was volunteering to help out and I took, you know, one of the talks, which was easy to do. And then there was another one I could’ve taken, which would have been really easy for me to, to pick up on and do as well. [00:19:48] But instead, like they really needed somebody to do the Azure networking thing. And I was like, I have no clue. I don’t even know where to start. And I somehow became the content lead and the lead presenter and had to just. [00:20:00] Like go deep into the fundamentals of Azure networking. And there was just a bunch of stuff that I really didn’t understand. [00:20:07] And even after I wrote the talk and the talk was correct, but it was like, people would ask me follow-up questions and I wouldn’t know. And I didn’t know at first I then did get to know, but it was one of those things where I was like, just totally out of my band, like at burst, but it was a really good learning experience. [00:20:21] And I did it on purpose because I knew that I had no interest and that there was no way that I would ever learn anything about Azure networking if I weren’t forced to. And I’m glad I did though, to be honest, [00:20:34] Brett: [00:20:34] yeah, it sounds like educational [00:20:37] Christina: [00:20:37] Well, I mean, it’s useful in context that you might not even know. I don’t know. It’s just sometimes learning a skill when you don’t want to. I don’t know. There’s there’s value in that, not to say you will get additional value of knowing how to be able to tunnel through things and, and make stuff work. [00:20:50] Having said that once you figure it out and you document it for yourself in whatever way, you will, there will become a time. I guarantee you where you’ll be helping someone else [00:21:00] do this same thing, which will then you will then be like, okay, well this was worth it because I helped someone else go through what I was going through. [00:21:09] Brett: [00:21:09] that sounds very true. That has the ring of truth to it. Okay. Um, I need to clear the air about something. [00:21:17] Christina: [00:21:17] Was that [00:21:18] Brett: [00:21:18] Our sponsor today is an air purifier. [00:21:21]You’re welcome here all week. Um, so we’re all spending. [00:21:26] Christina: [00:21:26] The fish, [00:21:27] Brett: [00:21:27] Wait, what? Oh, try the [00:21:29] Christina: [00:21:29] the fish. [00:21:30]Brett: [00:21:30] We’re all spending a lot more time indoors, but did you know that indoor air can be up to five times worse than outdoor air? According to the EPA? That’s why molecule that’s molecule with a K is re-imagining the future of clean air, starting with the air purifier. 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[00:23:40] And using the promo code overtired, that’s $120. You can save and enjoy free shipping and a 30 day at-home trial on your order. Just use the code overtired@molecule.com. [00:23:53]Christina: [00:23:53] fantastic. [00:23:54] Brett: [00:23:54] Even shorten that rate. It felt like a, it felt like a bit of a long road. [00:23:58]Christina: [00:23:58] A little bit, a little [00:24:00] bit, but not, not too bad. [00:24:02] Brett: [00:24:02] Horrible. I’ve done worse. We, we spent 10 minutes on a sponsor once [00:24:07] Christina: [00:24:07] Yeah, that’s true. And they were not happy about that at the, as I recall, [00:24:11] Brett: [00:24:11] or very upset if I had, if I had known I would have saved the time we would have just done the read. I really thought they were going to like that. [00:24:19] Christina: [00:24:19] you’re an overachiever. What can I say? We’re trying too much. [00:24:24]Brett: [00:24:24] Yeah. So you, uh, you had a thing on last week’s list. So we didn’t get to that. I have no idea where this goes, but, uh, my note, my note just says shit, post demand. [00:24:36] Christina: [00:24:36] Yes. This is actually a fun story. All right. So about 18 months ago when the WIWORK fiasco was happening, how, how up-to-date are you? Do you remember the WIWORK scandal? [00:24:46] Brett: [00:24:46] Uh, I remembered that I remembered it last week and I’ve already forgotten. So fill me in. [00:24:51] Christina: [00:24:51] Okay, so we work is, well, it still is, um, you know, it’s a co-working facility and it’s founder and long time [00:25:00] CEO is this guy, Adam Newman, who is, um, He’s interesting. Okay. So let me put this in perspective. So his wife’s cousin is Gwyneth Paltrow, and let’s just say that they share a lot of the same kind of new age sort of stuff, except that Newman and his wife, Rebecca Newman, good to like a whole other crazy ass level. Like it makes goop kind of look like, like child’s play to be completely honest with you. [00:25:23] Right. It kind of is. And so, um, he was, uh, ousted from the company because it was trying to go public for a long time. It wasn’t able to, for a variety of reasons, which are both interesting, but that I can’t remember. There is a documentary I believe on hula with that you could watch that goes into some of the rise and fall of this. [00:25:43] They raised like billions of dollars at this massive valuation. He was personally, you know, like stake in the company was, was worth. I don’t remember how many billions, but it was a lot. Um, and. But he would do some bananas, things like he was held [00:26:00] once. Like he insisted on flying with a bunch of weed to Israel and, uh, getting high on the plane. [00:26:07] And then there was like an arrest that happened. There was some other crazy stuff. Uh, he, uh, their mission statement for their S one started out by saying like, we are the energy of we or whatever. Like there was this just ridiculous mission statement for the aborted S one that didn’t have happen. And it was just like genuinely bonkers. [00:26:28] And so when I was recording an episode of rocket and we were recounting this for a scam town segment, uh, we have a sponsor, a domain registrar sponsored us. And so I registered the domain energy if we.com because I thought it was hilarious. And. Fast forward 18 months and somebody from domain agents, let me make sure I got that right, because I do actually want to give them props. [00:26:54] This is not sponsored in any way. I will point out, but I did work with them and I’d never worked with him before. And it was a complete, like [00:27:00] they came through my registrars, um, cloaking service and sent me a thing that said, Hey, we have somebody who’s interested in buying this domain. And the initial offer was like 300 bucks or something. [00:27:10] And I was going to negotiate that just to see if I could get it to 500. Not that I would’ve been mad at 300, but I was just curious. I forgot to do that. And then like a few days later, they automatically up their offer to five 25, which means I probably could have even asked for more. But at that point I was just like, no, I’m done. that’s fine. That’s cool. So, uh, something that I bought and then renewed because I forgot, I just had it on auto renew. So it renewed once. Um, but I just totally was total shit post thing. And I actually had it where I had the domain redirect to that episode of the podcast. And, um, I, um, just like forgot about it. [00:27:50] And, uh, it was a very nice little serendipity thing where, oh yeah, here we go. Our mission is to elevate the world’s consciousness. [00:28:00] That was like how the, how the, uh, started. But, um, it, it was just like the most ridiculous thing. Uh, like the, like their, their S one was just literally like one of the most bananas things. [00:28:11] Like our mission is to elevate the world’s consciousness. Philosophically. We believe, we believe in bringing comfort and happiness to the workplace. Um, It’s just crazy, but they call these things the energy of we, and I have no idea who bought it, what their purpose was, but somebody wanted to energy if we.com. So I sold it and I used escrow.com, which I’d never used before to sell something. And, uh, I was very impressed with the whole process. Like it went through very quickly. I got paid very quickly and happy with that. [00:28:41] Brett: [00:28:41] So you’re saying there’s a future in domain squatting. [00:28:44]Christina: [00:28:44] Well, clearly there is a as we’ve known, but I’ve never been on the other side of this. Like I’ve, I’ve never been able to, to, to take advantage of the domain um, squatting. [00:28:55] before. So I was, I was very happy about that. [00:28:59] Brett: [00:28:59] Like it’s, uh, [00:29:00] it’s kind of a futures, uh, market where if you are paying attention to pop culture and you catch [00:29:07] Christina: [00:29:07] Oh yeah. [00:29:08] Brett: [00:29:08] and you have the money to put down on the domains, especially the, the non.com TLDs, you could probably, you could probably make it like a whole investment kind of thing. [00:29:21] Christina: [00:29:21] Oh, yeah. And I think people do. Um, I think we’d actually talked about this a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about some of the DNS ways that people have been able to, um, get over things with internal networks, like Microsoft had to buy domain, um, uh, or Corp Corp com. That’s what they had to buy. [00:29:36] They had to buy the Corp com domain because people were the guy who, who owned it, wanted to sell it and was because it was such a big, you know, honeypot potentially for people to take over and do bad things for people. Who’ve had, you know, misconfigured, uh, exchange servers and SharePoint servers that Microsoft who, I don’t know how much they had to pay. [00:29:55] I don’t think they paid what the guy wanted, but I’m sure they paid no more than [00:30:00] they wanted to pay. I have no insight into that incidentally, but they did the right thing. [00:30:04] anyway. Yeah. [00:30:05] I’m sure that if squatting on it, you can. I do well there, it’s weird. I know I can work some weird ways when it comes to like trademark enforcement and other stuff. [00:30:14] And there are certain people who can get domains taken away. And if you have more money to fight things, then you can do it better. And, and there have been, um, especially for, uh, more generic terms like that can be a difficult thing to do. There’ve been interesting lawsuits about that, but Yeah, [00:30:29] I mean, this was just literally just cause I buy shit post domains all the time and, and sometimes I renew them sometimes they don’t, but I would say I actually did not make any money. [00:30:37] If you counted all the money, I’ve wasted on domains over the years, the five 25, I paid, like I may be broke even maybe, but probably not, but it was still fun for me because I totally forgotten that I even had it. And I was like, okay, cool. [00:30:51] Brett: [00:30:51] I own markdown.rocks [00:30:54] Christina: [00:30:54] Oh, that’s good. [00:30:55] Brett: [00:30:55] one has ever asked me for it. [00:30:57] Christina: [00:30:57] I also owned [00:31:00] failed.dev, which I think is good. Right. [00:31:02] Brett: [00:31:02] I see a lot of potential for that. [00:31:04] Christina: [00:31:04] I see, I don’t know what I’m going to do with it yet. Uh, listeners, please give me your suggestions because I do want to do something fun with that. [00:31:10] but I have failed.dev. Uh, I have some other fun ones, but that’s probably the most fun one that I have. Um, [00:31:16]Brett: [00:31:16] There’s a Twitter account called shit user stories. Have you ever read those [00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] yeah, I have, yeah. [00:31:23] Brett: [00:31:23] I’ll link that for anyone who’s looking for a good time? Um, yeah, like I have a whole bunch of domains that no one will ever ask for, but I had like at some point clever ideas for, and then like, you know, the year the renewal comes up and you’re like, well, I could let it go because I’ve never done a damn thing with it. [00:31:43] Or I could just give myself another year for, you know, 15 bucks, 20 bucks I’ll. And so I’ve just hung onto this. Maybe. I think I have maybe at 50, 50 domains, that’s not excessive by some standards, but it’s, that’s, that’s [00:32:00] easily a hundred bucks. I’m paying just to keep the ideas alive. [00:32:04] Christina: [00:32:04] No, I have the same problem and okay, actually, this, this is a good segue because this is an idea that I’ve had for years, an app used to already exist that did this, and it doesn’t anymore. It was sold. And then it was kind of abandoned and there are some other people who have done some things, but it should be relatively simple. [00:32:19] And it’s, it’s a project I’ve wanted to kind of do for a while. Now, where do you remember the, the app domain? Um, uh, domain brain. [00:32:27] Brett: [00:32:27] all right. That’s ringing a bell. Yes. [00:32:30] Christina: [00:32:30] Okay. So one of the [00:32:31] Brett: [00:32:31] yeah. I do remember that. Totally. [00:32:33] Christina: [00:32:33] yeah, so one of the guys from icon factory did it originally and it was like this it’s very simple. It’s just a database app that has all of your domain names, your passwords when the things expire web server details, if that was associated, which was really nice. Cause the thing is, is that my domains are spread across three different registrars. [00:32:52] Well, four, technically most of them are with Namecheap, but a few of them are with Yeah. [00:32:57] a couple oh five then hover Google domains, [00:33:00] because for things like.dev, you had to. Um, I have a few with pork blend because some of theirs were just cheaper. Um, and then my christina.is, which is a domain that I, I very much use. [00:33:12] I had to register that with an Icelandic. Um, uh, I, uh, the registrar, like, like that’s who I have to do to us through. So sometimes I forget like what domains I own and like, which one is on, like I, in a perfect world, I would have them all with one registrar, but sometimes the price variances are not minor. [00:33:31] And when you were talking about, you know, 50 to 70 domains, like that can add up over time, right. [00:33:38] Like it just, it, especially if you are sitting on project ideas and even if you’re doing nothing with them, it’s just one of those things. So I’ve wanted for a long time to just kind of. Basically steal the idea of what, you know, domain brain was, but, but maybe not even have all the features, but maybe have more, maybe have less whatever, but just have like a nice like database of just where I can [00:34:00] just keep track of all the domains that I buy and, and an ideal world, the way it would work is that I could sign in with registrars and it would support other registrars, you know, uh, for, for other people and automatically use those API keys or whatever to suck in what you have. [00:34:13] So you wouldn’t even have to go through the manual process of entering them in each time, although you could, but like, if you, you know, it’d be, to me, it’d be like better if I could just like do it a sync process, because most of the registrars do have APIs so that you could, you know, get access to see, you know, what you have. [00:34:31] Um, so there, you know, in theory you could, you could do all this. And the only reason I I’m, I’m feeling like I have to do this myself is that I’ve like looked and there just isn’t anything that does really what I want that to do. Um, and th that doesn’t have a user interface out of like [00:34:49]Brett: [00:34:49] windows XP. [00:34:51] Christina: [00:34:51] Right, right. [00:34:52] Right. Or like 2006 or whatever. And, you know, and I, it could be a web app. It doesn’t really need to be, this would honestly, I was thinking about it when I was [00:35:00] kind of like drawing out, like what I would want. I’ve wanted to kind of build an electronic app for a while, even though I know people should on electron, I feel like it’d be interesting to learn more JavaScript and to, I don’t know, it feels like this would be a simple crud app idea to do with electron, but I don’t know. [00:35:14] Brett: [00:35:14] Yeah. W the so past tense, you want to know what my favorite domain I had was [00:35:21] Christina: [00:35:21] Yes, I do. [00:35:22] Brett: [00:35:22] it was down rabbit holes with the dot E S. [00:35:26] Christina: [00:35:26] Oh, that’s, that’s good. [00:35:28] Brett: [00:35:28] the dot E S TLD is too expensive to keep. If you’re not actually doing something with the site, it was going to be like my place where I posted all of my projects that maybe didn’t end, like, so on my blog, I generally try to finish a project and make it usable by as many people as possible before I post it. [00:35:49] But I have all of these, like, I’ll spend a weekend playing with an idea that doesn’t go anywhere, but I learned a lot on the way. So I was going to use down rabbit holes to like post [00:36:00] my failed mad science experiments, but I didn’t. [00:36:04]Christina: [00:36:04] I like that. I like that, but yeah, I’m trying to think of what my favorite was. Um, okay. My favorite was, and this was a really good idea. This was an idea that I actually should have probably quit my job and dedicated towards taking a Y Combinator or something, because ironically, after I’d had the idea and after I bought the domain, a number of different companies tried to do the same thing and did get into Y Combinator and did get a bunch of VC funding. [00:36:27] And the way I wanted to do it, I still think was better. I don’t know if I would have been any more successful than either of them were, but the, the, my concept I think, was better. I just didn’t know if I wanted to dedicate my life to this. And now I feel like I missed an opportunity to at least make some money or have an exit of some sort. [00:36:43] Um, so. When I was living in New York, especially like we had like delivery laundry service because we didn’t have, um, laundry in the building and dragging, you know, lots of, you know, pounds of laundry. Like even a few blocks is not a great experience. So, [00:37:00] you know, we’d call like the local place and they would do it. [00:37:02] But my idea was like, I wanted like an Uber for laundry delivery and, and the idea is, is less needed now, although it would have been interesting during COVID times, uh, to for certain people, um, just because a lot of laundry services are online, but. At this point there weren’t. And so I kind of wanted a hybrid between seamless and Uber for laundry delivery. [00:37:21] So the idea would be we’d contact a local place and they would use their delivery systems. Some of the other companies that did try to do this made the mistake of hiring their own drivers. And, and my thought was no, most of these services already have their own driver networks. Let them use that. And don’t, you know, do that, just, just be more of like the, what seamless was originally seamless now does have their own drivers. [00:37:42] But historically they’d worked with at least originally like, um, in New York and places like that, like they’d worked with places that had their own delivery networks. And, you know, just contact all the process of being able to get your laundry done. But in my idea was like you could specialize, if you had special requests, how you [00:38:00] wanted things done. [00:38:00] If you wanted, you know, things separated, if you wanted, like, if they offered different pressing services or other stuff, you could pay upsells for that. And then, you know, do it all on the app. And the, the domain, the idea was, uh, that I would call it launder.me. And so it was L a U N D R, which granted this was like a decade ago. [00:38:18] So made more sense then, but launder.me. And, and I don’t know, I, I had that domain for awhile and I still feel like that was a really clever idea, but also a really good domain name. [00:38:29] Brett: [00:38:29] you to hear another story, [00:38:30] Christina: [00:38:30] I do. [00:38:31] Brett: [00:38:31] will be short. Um, so I don’t know if you remember marquee my, uh, web service that it was like an API that you could use to turn web pages into markdown. [00:38:42] Christina: [00:38:42] I do. I remember Marquis. [00:38:44] Brett: [00:38:44] And so the main domain for it was, uh, still is, but it’s broken right now. Um, markdown rules.com. And when you go there, it gives you a choice between, um, I like to swear, [00:39:00] or I like to talk like Sarah Pailin and w depending on which one you click, it either takes you to fuck ya markdown.com or it takes you to heck yes, markdown.com. [00:39:13] And [00:39:13] Christina: [00:39:13] Oh, that’s so good. [00:39:14] Brett: [00:39:14] both run out of the same directory, but I used basically a localization system. So it detects which domain it’s on and delivers different strings based on the domain. Which is fun because like I could write, you know, like this is fucking great on, on one and heck yes. I sure love this on the other one. [00:39:37] And it would just translate for whichever domain was viewing it. I thought it was pretty clever. I really should fix murky. I get a lot of emails about that. Still wondering why it doesn’t work. [00:39:49]Christina: [00:39:49] Yeah. you should either fix it or you should like make it clear that it’s not working anymore. [00:39:56] Brett: [00:39:56] Yeah. I’ve never deprecated an API [00:40:00] before. I’ve never sunset an API. I don’t know how I do know how I’ve [00:40:04] Christina: [00:40:04] You do know [00:40:05] Brett: [00:40:05] many times. [00:40:06] Christina: [00:40:06] I was going to say you watch it happen You, you say thank you for your support over the years. We’re not. Yeah. [00:40:12] Brett: [00:40:12] Thank you for using my free service and then complaining about it. [00:40:16] Christina: [00:40:16] Right. [00:40:17] Brett: [00:40:17] Yeah, there there’s a new, uh, there’s a new node based, sir. I can’t remember what it’s called now, but there’s basically someone made Marquis and they made it into, uh, uh, like self hosted API. And like, they weren’t inspired by Marcie. I’m sure they did this entirely on their own, but I really think that I could probably replace marquee with this node application actually revive it. [00:40:48] People, people liked it. People, people enjoyed it. [00:40:51]Christina: [00:40:51] If you wanted to, I say you could revive it, but also if you don’t have the bandwidth, if you don’t want to do it, I feel like the right thing to do is to at least [00:41:00] update the page so that people, if they do run across it, know why it’s not working. I mean, they’ll figure it. [00:41:05] out, but [00:41:06] Brett: [00:41:06] I could convert it to be about how much I love mark down. Just a static page, about how much I love markdown and call it the former home of marquee, the markdown on a fire. My kitten, who is now a young cat. She has grown a lot, but behind my monitor is a mess of cables. And to be fair, I have spent over a hundred dollars on cable ties and, uh, uh, double-stick tape and, and larger power strips that can be mounted under my, like, I’m going to take care of this. [00:41:41] But as of right now, it’s a nest of cables behind my displays. And the kitten has found that the power strip there keeps things just a little warm. So she digs into the cables. I posted a picture to Instagram this morning. She just like ness [00:42:00] in the cables and it looks, uh, yes, I am a little concerned. [00:42:03] She’ll get electrocuted, but she D she doesn’t like fiddle with the power strip or anything. I will, I will fix the issue. My cat will not be toasted, but right now it’s kind of adorable. [00:42:15]Christina: [00:42:15] that is very cute. [00:42:17]Brett: [00:42:17] Also I got, so I have gone through four different cough buttons since I switched to XLR microphones, because with an XLR mic, you can no longer use things like shush on your Mac. And then I had a power mute, uh, like foot pedal. That was really great with my last microphone. But then when I got the pod mic, the power mute caused a hum. [00:42:44] So I switched to the rules, Mike switch, and it, it pads the volume, but it doesn’t give you a complete cutoff. So I finally found the solution. I got a rolls push to talk XLR, a B [00:43:00] switch, and you can just leave the B output empty. So when you, when you hit the big sturdy button, it switches from a to the empty channel, completely cuts off the mic, like completely disconnects it and you can cough and laugh and, and snicker and do whatever you need to do off the mic. [00:43:18] And then just flip it back. Plus it has a light to show you when you’re, when you’re hot. [00:43:23] Christina: [00:43:23] oh, this is nice. [00:43:25] Brett: [00:43:25] Yeah, I, [00:43:26] Christina: [00:43:26] Should link linked to that because does it only work with the, with, does it only work with the pod Mike or [00:43:31] Brett: [00:43:31] Oh, no, no. It’s, it’s an XLR switch. It’ll work with any XLR setup. [00:43:36] Christina: [00:43:36] Okay. Cause I like this idea because I’m still finalizing my setup that I already spent money on months and months ago, but that’s a whole other story. But when I finally get that configured, the way I want it to, that would be nice, both for professional, but also for work purposes, because sometimes I would very much like to, other than relying on the mute button, which can be problematic. [00:43:57] I would very much like to know that I’m just not [00:44:00] connected and, and that way, if I need to curse or whatever. [00:44:04] Brett: [00:44:04] What happens to me on zoom is I’ll go on mute because I’m not like an active part of whatever meeting and I’ll, I’ll, I’ll have other windows open. I’ll be listening in the background. And then someone will ask me a question and I have to scramble to get back to zoom and find the mute button. So I can respond to a question. [00:44:22] Now I just leave myself. Un-muted on zoom and just hit this button on my desk and I can see right away that I am muted or un-muted. And when someone asks me a question, I just reach over to my right. Click a button and talk. It’s nice. It is nice. [00:44:38] Christina: [00:44:38] And then, yeah, you don’t have any of the weird things too, where people are, you know, and I’m sure this really, everybody listening can relate to this, but where somebody starts talking, you hear nothing and everyone starts screaming. You’re on mute. [00:44:49] Brett: [00:44:49] yep. Uh, w if you work in a corporation that has been doing zoom meetings for a year, people are pretty good about waiting [00:45:00] for one person to say, you’re on mute. Like, usually there’s like a hierarchy to who talks in a meeting. Um, so you don’t get everyone screaming all at once, but yes, I’ve definitely experienced the, the, uh, the cacophony of Juran mutes. [00:45:16] Christina: [00:45:16] Yeah. I mean, even if you, I mean, I don’t know, it’s like one of those things, I definitely work at a corporation that has been on teams, zoom, whatever a lot. And the cacophony has gotten better, but it still happens. And it’s certainly still one of those things where yeah, you’ll, it’ll just come out regardless. [00:45:31] You have like the, the spongy and people either typing or saying or whatever. Yeah. Um, that that’s been an interesting thing to observe, but yeah. Then you don’t have to worry about that because you just have the button, I guess then the only thing would be to let people know, like, don’t you mean manually? [00:45:48] I got this. [00:45:50] Brett: [00:45:50] Okay. Yeah. Well, w if you do that mute all thing, you don’t really have a choice, but [00:45:55] Christina: [00:45:55] And if you do that, that’s fine. Cause then they can unmute all or whatever, but you still don’t have to go through [00:46:00] the process of, of having to find the button when you’re in another tab and on another screen. And, uh, cause that’s frustrating because a lot of times like the way the button will appear, you know, I’m watching things, but I don’t have my own access to my controls, you know? [00:46:14] So I’ve got to like pull it up and pull up a different part of the Chrome, you know, stuff to even be able to unmute myself, which, which is the problem [00:46:22]Brett: [00:46:22] Did I mention errands vocabulary, my coworker, [00:46:26] Christina: [00:46:26] you did not, [00:46:27] Brett: [00:46:27] Oh my God. Like I, I have a good vocabulary. The first thing people tell me after they meet me is I was impressed with your vocabulary. Like it’s not, it’s not shoddy. I know, I know a lot of words, but she, I have to use a dictionary sometimes when, when I read her stuff, because she knows words that I have never heard before. [00:46:52] And she is very well-spoken and it is very intimidating. [00:46:57]Christina: [00:46:57] Nice. [00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] feel out, out, [00:47:00] out. Outclassed. It’s good. She’s she’s super nice though. [00:47:05] Christina: [00:47:05] That’s awesome. Well, props to you, Erin, for having better vocabulary than, than Brett. I like that. What’s a, what was the word that you had to look up? I’m just kidding. [00:47:12] Brett: [00:47:12] Oh, there was one yesterday that meant, uh, three parts. I I’ve already forgotten it. It didn’t sink in yet. It was true. Try something. Uh, no, no, it was not a word you’ve heard it. I swear. It was a, a weird word. Like absolutely. It was in the dictionary, but I had never heard it before. [00:47:34] Christina: [00:47:34] So, so what we’re saying is Aaron is a hell of a Scrabble player. [00:47:38] Brett: [00:47:38] Oh, I bet. I bet. Uh, so I play, uh, letterpress still with, uh, with Al and Al is very patient with just trying letter combinations until it accepts it. and we’ll like, we’ll like leave a perfectly good word because she thinks she could use two more letters if she just keeps trying every [00:48:00] possible combination. [00:48:01] And, and she wins that way because I don’t have that kind of patience. Um, I don’t know why that just came to mind. Oh yeah. Vocabularies. [00:48:11] Christina: [00:48:11] Yeah. That’s cool. Yeah. I’m I’m okay. It’s weird. Like I’m uh, I’m. I have a, I think I have a very good vocabulary. Uh, I don’t think mine is as good as Aaron, but I have a very good vocabulary. I’m not great. I’m not terrible at Scrabble, but I’m not like great at Scrabble. And I don’t know if it’s because I don’t always know the right spelling of things or what, but, uh, I can get my ass kicked handily by people. [00:48:37] Like when I used to play Scrabble online or whatever, I would get my ass kicked sometimes when people who I went to high school with, and I’m like, I know, I know Jody that you were like a burnout stoner and not in like a I’m I’m too good for this kind of smart kind of like Kurt Cobain kind of way. But in a, in a, like, like you were like a legit, like stoner, stoner, like, like, like, [00:49:00] you know, uh, Sean Penn from fast times at Ridgemont high, uh, kind of way, right. [00:49:04] Like, you know, so, and you’re like kicking my ass and I’m like, okay, well, Lesson learned there. [00:49:13] Brett: [00:49:13] Yeah. Yeah. I haven’t played Scrabble enough to know if I’m any good at it, but I do like letterpress [00:49:20]Christina: [00:49:20] Yeah. I like letterpress [00:49:21] too. I haven’t played that in a while now. I kinda want to play that, but that’s not one of those games that I can play while doing other things, because I have to say [00:49:27]Brett: [00:49:27] stop playing with me. And I don’t know if people just got bored or if I was winning too much or. If I wasn’t winning an, I don’t know, but all of my friends dropped off and I had to like cut Joel ELL into playing letterpress with me cause I really enjoy it. And nobody else will John Gruber beat me by playing the word fuck off, which I did not. [00:49:52] I did not realize was a real word. And I wasn’t sure if I should take it personally that he ended the game with fuck off, [00:50:00] but apparently fuck off is a word and you can use it to win at letterpress. And it was, it was epic. Like I gotta hand it [00:50:07] Christina: [00:50:07] That’s so good. I [00:50:09] Brett: [00:50:09] the word to win on. I was amazed. [00:50:12]Christina: [00:50:12] honestly, very, very good. And I’m actually very happy to, to know that that was there. Cause that’s actually really funny. [00:50:20]Brett: [00:50:20] Keep that in your back pocket. So when the board comes up, that has all the requisite letters in it, you can play that and look like a God. [00:50:30]Christina: [00:50:30] That sounds good. [00:50:32] Brett: [00:50:32] All right. Should we call it? [00:50:34]Christina: [00:50:34] you should call it. I was going to try to think We, had anything else we could stress to get to our hour. This is a weird show. We both had busy weeks and um, uh, so sorry for listeners for that. We’ll be back to normal next week, but yeah, I think we should probably call it. [00:50:47] Brett: [00:50:47] We, we can’t promise that things could be even weirder next week. [00:50:50] Christina: [00:50:50] Well, I’m not going to be in another state and coming off of, like, I know for me, my situation is not going to be as weird. So at [00:51:00] least one of [00:51:00] Brett: [00:51:00] I’m no guarantee. [00:51:02] Christina: [00:51:02] you have no guarantee. [00:51:03] and that’s completely fine. It’s just like, both of us are off when we’re both off. Like, because usually when one of us is off, the other one can compensate. [00:51:09] This is a situation where like we’re both off. Uh, also, uh, I, I, don’t know. Um, actually, let me ask you this because I can’t remember when you guys did all of your sit-com rewashes did you rewatch friends where you yay or nay and friends? I can’t [00:51:22] Brett: [00:51:22] I, I really don’t have, I saw, I watched all the friends once I not interested in going back nor in the reunion. [00:51:31] Christina: [00:51:31] Okay. Cause I, I’ve been meaning to watch the reunion came out yesterday. I haven’t had a chance to watch it and I’m going to try to watch it sometime like today or tomorrow, but I didn’t know if, if you and Elle were going to watch the reunion or not. [00:51:41] Brett: [00:51:41] I, I highly doubt it. Uh, L has surprised me lately. She there’s this show like everything we’re rock watching right now is on peacock. It’s the one streaming service that I have, like no guilt about paying for it, because like, um, right now we’re going through, uh, parks and rec [00:52:00] and Brooklyn nine, nine, and Rushford falls. [00:52:03] And, and, uh, I’m starting onto that. Girl’s five Abba’s show, but I’m doing that without her. She lost interest and I lost interest in the show called resident alien. It seemed like a really shitty show to me, but she kept at it and she says that she fell in love with it before the season ended. So I, I might give it another shot. [00:52:27] I got enough to do though. [00:52:29] Christina: [00:52:29] Yeah, this is the hard thing [00:52:31] Brett: [00:52:31] Friends is not currently on our list. [00:52:34] Christina: [00:52:34] Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Uh, I, cause I, I don’t know, I haven’t even kept up with the Twitter, like a discourse. I’m sure everybody’s going to claim. They hated it. Even though like you’re all liars, it’s kind of like the Hamilton thing. Like there were so many bad Hamilton takes after Hamilton came to Disney plus, and I was like, where the fuck were you all five years ago, genuinely. [00:52:52] Like, it was like, I had a real question last summer. I was like, this is all been debated over and over and over and over and over and over [00:53:00] again. So I’m kind of anticipating that same sense of just exhaustion for any of the friends discourse. It’s like, yes, we all know How problematic the show was in some ways. [00:53:08] And another way is you’re frankly being too precious about it, like get over it. It was a sitcom, the big bang theory in my opinion, far more problematic, uh, and, uh, you know, went on for a similar length of time and, um, People for whatever reason, still love the fucking young Sheldon show. Like it got us spinoff weird as hell is that as which I’ve never seen and will never see, like I hate myself. [00:53:33] Brett: [00:53:33] how I met your mother. There holds the record for me for the most problematic show that I somehow didn’t see as problematic when it was on [00:53:40]Christina: [00:53:40] Yeah. I would agree with [00:53:42] Brett: [00:53:42] of the amount of rape insinuation in that show is mind boggling. [00:53:48] Christina: [00:53:48] whatevers. Also Ted is a gross guy, like, like, and we talked about it some when it was out, but we kind of, for whatever reason would ignore it. And it’s like, Ted is gross. There’s nothing redeemable about [00:54:00] Ted. Ted is a gross guy. Ted is like a weirdo who you understand why, you know, he, he can’t find this quote unquote soulmate or whatever. [00:54:10] And then the ending, the ending, which was just, I think the worst sit-com Indian of all time, [00:54:15] Brett: [00:54:15] I have erased the ending from my mind. And when we decided to go back and watch it again, we realized so quickly that it was problematic enough that we couldn’t actually in good conscience, keep going. So I have, I never got to the ending and I’ve forgotten what happens. Don’t tell me don’t spoil it. I’ll never get there. [00:54:34]Christina: [00:54:34] Yeah. Um, it’s, it’s, it’s easily one of the worst, um, TV endings ever. And it’s, and it’s, uh, not in a good way. Like sometimes you have like the surprise endings that are fun, like, like, uh, you know, the new heart with him waking up with his wife and the Bob Newhart show or, um, what was it? Um, uh, The hospital one. [00:54:55] Fuck. I can’t think of the name of it. Um, St. Elsewhere. No, St. Elsewhere St. Elsewhere where it turned [00:55:00] out. The whole thing was like, the whole series was like in like the mind of the autistic kid and, uh, which was kinda cool. And there. [00:55:07] there’ve been some other ones, like where you’ve had, like these really kind of like flippant, like kind of weird kind of like funny kind of innings. [00:55:13] This was not that this was like red conning, an entire relationship that was on the show for a long time, completely changing the nature of things. And it was just, it was not, it was not good. And they hadn’t a reason to do it the way that they did it. Um, but yeah, it was just bad. Like the, the, yeah, it was one of those things where even the diehard and I had stopped watching the show years previously and when I saw the ending and I was just like, it was like, are you fucking kidding me really, really to this point now that when people bring up how I met your mother and, and even any other stuff, cause it just didn’t age. [00:55:44] Well, but even putting all that aside, I’m like, yeah, after the ending, it kind of ruined my ability to ever go back and watch it again, to be honest, [00:55:52] Brett: [00:55:52] Now, now it sounds so morbidly bad. That I’m almost curious if I should just go back and watch the last episode. [00:55:58] Christina: [00:55:58] You should you absolutely [00:56:00] should. Uh, you should like watch like the last 10 minute, like last five minutes, I guess, because it’s really wow. [00:56:07] Brett: [00:56:07] Okay. Wow. We said we were going to quit and then pop culture happened, [00:56:12] Christina: [00:56:12] And then pop culture happened [00:56:14] Brett: [00:56:14] like sure. Nineties pop culture, but still pop culture. [00:56:17] Christina: [00:56:17] no, that was arts pop culture. Thank you. [00:56:20] Brett: [00:56:20] Was it really? [00:56:21] Christina: [00:56:21] Yes. It wasn’t. The show came out in like 2004, 2005. Yeah, [00:56:25] Brett: [00:56:25] It all seems so long ago to me. [00:56:27] Christina: [00:56:27] no, that’s I think why, why makes the problematic aspects of that much funnier? Because it was like a modern show. Like it’s friends, you can at least say. And back then people did comment on the fact that they had no black friends and they even had the, the show itself even had to comment on that. [00:56:41] Right. And that their apartments were the wrong sizes and all that stuff. And some of the other issues like that stuff was all well-trodden territory. Uh, even when the show was on the air, but some of the stuff, I think people go back and in retrospect, I’m like, okay, now you’re really just being ridiculous because these were things that were very standard of every sitcom of the era. [00:56:58] And the reason friends [00:57:00] gets a disproportionate amount of the hate. In my opinion, are two reasons. One, the show was so beloved and so huge and so massive that, of course, there’s going to be a backlash to anything that is that popular and that. Maintains weird popularity amongst younger people who are not even alive, like when it went on the air the first time, sometimes even people who weren’t even on the air weren’t even alive when it went off the air, you know, it maintains one of those things. [00:57:22] I mean, I contend that it is, I think that the real answer to this is that the big bang theory is the last great American sitcom. But I think that friends is at least for me the one, because it is the big bang theory. That is the correct answer. That is the, that is the answer, even if I don’t want it to be, but it is one of the last great American sitcoms and, and you will never have a show like it again, and you’ll never have a show like big bang theory again, either. [00:57:45] It’s just those things won’t happen again. Culturally, um, friends, I think maybe more than big bang, there were, uh, like Korean and, and I think some other like international versions of a big bang theory, but it wasn’t, it didn’t resonate the same way. Whereas you had [00:58:00] foreign version of friends that went on for a long time and you even had like the UK version of friends then. [00:58:06] Became like Trice. They tried to then bring it back to the U S as another show too. And that didn’t work, but a coupling. [00:58:12] but, um, [00:58:14]Brett: [00:58:14] coupling. [00:58:16] Christina: [00:58:16] yeah, I, I did too, but, but coupling was making a mistake. It was a, it was a UK friends rip off. And in my, my point being like, like friends, like was this big cultural phenomenon, uh, you know, on kind of another level. [00:58:26] And so that means it’s going to get a much bigger proportion of backlash from people who were like, oh, well, people talk about it. And it was overrated and this and that. And was it, yes, it was a read it even at the time, Seinfeld and other shows were better news radio, which debuted about the same time, highly superior show on NBC. [00:58:44] But news radio is a much more niche audience and is never going to be that big, you know, like everybody can watch this thing. It’s just, it’s different. But so some of it, I get why that happens. And the other thing though, is that it’s just like, but it annoys me. I get why people do a [00:59:00] bit, but it annoys me because I look at something like. [00:59:02] How I met your mother, which debuted in a time when a lot of the things they were insinuating and doing were not okay. And yet we laughed and I remember being somewhat uncomfortable with some of it, but also sort of like, just accepting that it was a thing, but it wasn’t as if rape culture was an acceptable thing in 2005, because it wasn’t, it’s just for whatever reason that show got away with it, because it was, it wasn’t Indy, but it was indeed enough. [00:59:29] It was like, you know, it was one of those shows That like, yeah, it debuted in 2005. And so it, it was one of the first CBS at coms that wasn’t, um, like, uh, you know, everybody loves Raymond or any of that bullshit. So, you know, and they, they played, they had decent music and, and had some actors like, like Jason Siegel and, and, and stuff that the people liked. [00:59:50] And so, I don’t know, I feel like people gave it a pass even at the time more than, than they should have. But now I want another five minutes. [00:59:58] Brett: [00:59:58] That was we, we, [01:00:00] okay. So I told Aaron that she, it w it would, it might take a while, but she would get to experience your depth of knowledge. And you just, you just brought it. You, you just did some classic Christina shit there. This is why I got a mute button. You get gone. And I just, I click it and I just, I just let you, I’ll let you go. [01:00:19] Christina: [01:00:19] Uh, [01:00:21] Brett: [01:00:21] All right, well, I’m sure you’re worn out. [01:00:25] Christina: [01:00:25] I am that. I’m going to go hang with the baby. Thank you. Thank you. But you Get some sleep. [01:00:28] Do you have a great weekend? [01:00:29] Brett: [01:00:29] Bye. [01:00:30] Bye.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren and you are listening to overtired. See, I did it a little bit out of order, but I still pulled it off. I’m getting way better at this. [00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] Totally getting better at this. [00:00:11] It’s actually very, very good. How are you Brett? [00:00:15] Brett: [00:00:15] How many years have we been doing this? Now? [00:00:18] Christina: [00:00:18] Seven. [00:00:20] Brett: [00:00:20] It took me way too long to figure out how to do intros. [00:00:27] Christina: [00:00:27] I mean, in fairness to me, we did have like, we were consistent and then we weren’t [00:00:32] Brett: [00:00:32] Yeah, there was a couple years in there for me to get rusty. Again, we have, we’re more consistent now than we ever have been. [00:00:42] Christina: [00:00:42] I know it’s, it’s actually pretty great. [00:00:45] Brett: [00:00:45] Yeah. Yeah, no, I, uh, this is, uh, a regular part of my weekend. I enjoy it. So how’s your mental health this week? Let’s just jump right into it. Like regular segments. How are you doing. [00:00:57] Christina: [00:00:57] I’m doing. [00:00:58] pretty well. I’m tired, [00:01:00] um, is early as I’m recording this, but, um, cause we had to make some adjustments for your job, which completely great. Like I have no problem with that at all. Um, but I am, I’m, I’m a little bit tired, but I’m okay. Um, I’m a little frazzled this week and next week because Microsoft build is next week. [00:01:18] And so I’ve got all this stuff that I have to do. All of these things have been promised for and stuff that I’ve got to get ready. Cause I’m hosting next week. And there, like all these side projects that happen and on the one hand, like that can be stressful. But on the other hand, it’s almost like easier not to focus on other externalities that might be, you know, not because you’re just busy. [00:01:40] Brett: [00:01:40] Sure. Yeah. Like throw yourself into your work kind of thing. [00:01:44] Christina: [00:01:44] Yeah. Basically like, yeah. When, when you’re so busy, you can’t really like focus on anything else, but yeah, I I’m. Okay. Um, I, uh, you know, I was, I was home with my family for 10 days and I didn’t, it is weird because I want to, I want to preface this by saying I [00:02:00] would never move back home. Like that would never be a thing, but it, it, it has been like, you know, it was really nice seeing everybody, and it was really hard to leave and, and that, it was like the first time that it was like really difficult for me to leave. [00:02:12] And, um, I’m actually going back at the end of next week for the Memorial day weekend. Uh, so, uh, cause I need to get my airline status anyway. So, uh, you know, might as well, but, um, but Grant’s going to go with me, um, on that trip, but yeah, it was, it was harder for me to, to leave than I thought that it would be. [00:02:34] And, uh, that surprised me. [00:02:36] Brett: [00:02:36] How was flying? [00:02:38] Christina: [00:02:38] It was fine. Um, you know, everybody wears a mask. I should preface this by saying that I used upgrade certificates in my status. Got me one of the ways upgraded without using one. So I was in first class, but the planes that I was taking because of how they’ve rearranged routes and stuff, um, well, they, they sometimes have these planes configured, even pre [00:03:00] COVID, but it’s the, it’s the business class flights. [00:03:03] So it was like the international planes. So your first class seat is like a lay flat seat rather than the typical thing. Well, yeah, I purposely book those flights for that reason. Um, because you pay the same amount of money for first class and you could either be sitting in like a shitty chair where you have a little bit more leg room or like a private, you know, full thing. [00:03:27] Um, so. If the scheduling works. I always, if I’m going to Atlanta or New York, um, I always like look for those things and I was trying to book this flight, but, um, the, the flying itself was fine. Um, so the reason I prefaced it with that was because I was in my own little cocoon area. So like I have a mask on, which is annoying, cause my makes my rosacea act up, but you know, where, whatever, and I’m in my own little like space, I don’t know what it would have been like, you know, [00:04:00] normal stuff. [00:04:01] Um, but the flight out was not busy because it was a red eye. The flight back was packed and both airports were packed and. Yeah, I don’t, I don’t know. Like that still feels weird. The other thing, so it was weird. Cause like the airport and stuff like feels like it’s back to normal, even though we know things aren’t back to normal, but then they won’t give you a blanket or a pillow or actual food on the airplane and the lounge is restricted. [00:04:33] So, you know, like there’s this weird half-measures so it was like one of those things where like, you kind of feel like you’re back to normal, but then you’re reminded of all the ways you’re not right. So that’s kind of a weird thing, but I mean, it was fine. I’m, I’m double Vaxxed. I’m not concerned about any of that. [00:04:50] I trust the vaccines and at a certain point we’re going to have to get out in, you know, the open anyway, right? Like not everybody, I guess, but most of us are going to have [00:05:00] to. Did you do that anyway? So I’m, I’m not super concerned that way, but it was, I guess, slightly disconcerting given the numbers, what we know that vaccination numbers are just to see so many people at the airport and traveling like, [00:05:20] Brett: [00:05:20] Yeah, because you’d know that not everyone there is [00:05:24] Christina: [00:05:24] exactly, exactly. And, and I’m, I’m on this weird thing. I don’t want to go on a whole rant on this, but I am curious about your thoughts and I want to hear about your mental health updates stuff. Like I’m not necessarily in favor of like, I don’t love the idea of like digital, like passport vaccination passports in the sense that I, I want like, you know, a government mandated like list, but at the same time, It does bother me that no one is checking those [00:06:00] things. [00:06:00] Like, I feel like there’s a middle ground. Like for instance, when you travel to certain countries, you have to show that you’ve been vaccinated. Now they don’t have a database that they’re checking up against. But, but they’re at least looking for proof that, that you have that. And the fact that that’s not even happening, I don’t love, right. [00:06:18] Like I, I’m not saying that I want in our country. And it was some countries which are not, America are fine with having government databases of people’s vaccination records. And I don’t trust the us government, uh, to, to be secure with that stuff. Just don’t be, we are the United States of America. We are not Korea. [00:06:35] We are not Singapore. We are not like other places. Like that’s, that’s not who we are as a country for better or for worse. But that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be at least trying to enforce or have people show proof that they’ve been vaccinated. You know what I mean? Even if people were able to fake it, like that requires a level of, of [00:07:00] malice and a forethought for someone to go through that process of baking a certificate, you know? [00:07:04] Brett: [00:07:04] Yeah, especially for something they could just do for free. [00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] Exactly, exactly. Like, like, I just, I, I, it just, it just, it’s, it’s interesting to me that like, to go to Brazil and to come back from Brazil, I have to be vaccinated against number of things. But with COVID like some countries do want proof of it, but in the United States, they’re just like, yeah, whatever. [00:07:28] Brett: [00:07:28] Well, uh, the, the fact that the CDC guidelines are entirely an honor system. Uh, it doesn’t work because the people who are most likely to not be vaccinated are the people who would most likely, uh, stop wearing their masks anyway, like it, the, the crossover there isn’t such that people are going to feel bad that they didn’t get back to native and, and do the right thing. [00:07:58] Christina: [00:07:58] No, I mean, I think, I think the [00:08:00] thing that like, Makes up all apart. Cause I do feel like in some cases, in some societies you might be able to rely on an honor system maybe a little bit more than, than what you would, um, in America. But we don’t think the rules apply to us like collectively as a culture. [00:08:20] Like we just don’t and, and I can even feel that way about myself with certain things, not for stuff like fascinations, but with other smaller things. And you’re like, ah, whatever, I whatever, you know? Um, so it’s like this weird thing where, you know, in, in all places for the honor system not to work because in some places the honor system I think could work, right? [00:08:38] Like going back to the cultures who have the, the, the government mandated, you know, like vaccination records, like in Singapore, people would not lie about this, um, because they would be afraid that the government would like shoot them and here. Yeah. It’s just like trustworthy and I get why the CDC guidelines are what they are, because they’re correct. [00:09:00] [00:09:00] But it seems to miss the fact that we’re not yet at herd immunity and that people will just lie and we’ll just be like, well, and then we’ll write it off as being like, well, I haven’t been around anyone, so it doesn’t matter if I say that I’ve been vaccinated or not, because I haven’t been sick in a year and no one I know has died. [00:09:18] Brett: [00:09:18] Right. [00:09:19] Christina: [00:09:19] So I don’t know. Anyway, that’s my rant. [00:09:21] Brett: [00:09:21] I’m supposed to. Okay. So there are, uh, it compliance standards at my new job that require that I run McAfee, antivirus on all of my computers. [00:09:35] Christina: [00:09:35] Oh God. We had that for awhile, [00:09:40] Brett: [00:09:40] Like it much like vaccination. It’s one of those things. I feel like. I can get away with, because I I’m, I’m careful. I know, I know what happens on my machine. It’s not like they’re checking to see if I have like sip disabled or anything. Uh, it, they did point out that, and I don’t know how they know this, but [00:10:00] I did not have, uh, uh, disc encryption turned on, on my new mini, which was an entire, uh, an oversight on my part. [00:10:07] I absolutely meant to have disc description, but I get these emails that are like, here are the following things about your personal machines that are not in compliance. And, uh, I find it, I feel like I’m above the law in those regards and I’m not obviously like I have to, I have to meet compliance. They, they pay me to be compliant, so it’s fine. [00:10:32] But I get that attitude of like, this doesn’t apply to me. [00:10:37] Christina: [00:10:37] See, that’s the perfect example. Cause I do the same thing. Like we have a MDM system, so they, because of the compliance issue that you noted, like they just installed anti-virus on our Macs. If your Mac was in tuned and it was a controlled by the MDM, but there were ways where you could still access certain resources. [00:10:56] Without it being intuned. So you would [00:11:00] still technically you need to have an anti-virus, but there’d be no way of them knowing. Um, and, but they had to like do that now they got rid of the Sofos and now they’re using the Microsoft antivirus, which is better. But yeah, it’s one of those things, like we’ve all been in jobs and had stuff where we’re like, well, I know I’m supposed to do this, but I don’t. [00:11:17] Yeah. So. [00:11:20] Brett: [00:11:20] I want to come back to this cause I have a cool story about it. But I will say that. Okay. So I haven’t, since the last time this came up, I have not had a manic episode. Um, I have slept for months now without interruption. And, uh, the only thing that’s been happening is about, about once a month, I have three or four days of this, like very hypo depression. [00:11:50] Like just like, I just want to sit on the couch. I’m not like down on myself. I don’t have the like dark thoughts. I just don’t have the [00:12:00] motivation. And so I’m going through that right now for the first time, since starting the new job and I’m finding like, I can. I can cope. Like I’m not going to be on my game, but I can still make it to meetings. [00:12:15] I can still get my work done. And like, it’s a relief to me to know that I can pull this off. Um, I, I, I’m a little bit like the, my direct teammates. I let know what’s going on because, uh, um, I’m an open honest person and it feels better to me to, uh, just talk about it than it does. I mean, that’s why I’m always honest about my mental health, because actually like physically hurts me to like bottle it up and, and try to hide stuff. [00:12:48] Christina: [00:12:48] yeah. [00:12:49] actually, I think that’s a great point because I think a lot of people don’t know that sometimes about like depression and things like that is that I think for a lot of us, we spend so much time not talking [00:13:00] about it and hiding it and pretending to be okay. And it eventually bubbles up and comes out and it’s so much worse. [00:13:07] Brett: [00:13:07] Yeah, but I haven’t talked to my manager about it yet. And I just like, since starting, they switched my manager and my first manager, I would have felt more comfortable bringing it up. But now I plan to, but I don’t know how it’s going to go over. [00:13:27]Christina: [00:13:27] That’s hard. I I’ve run into this myself too, and I don’t have the frequent episodes or infer, you know what I mean? Not frequent, but more frequent episodes. Like, like you do, my step tends to be those, um, Like I don’t have the highs and the lows. And so I just have like prolonged periods of depression, frankly, that I often ignore and, uh, try to kind of find a way to work through or whatever, but it is a difficult thing to have a conversation about, especially when you’re new or when you have a new manager, legally, they [00:14:00] are required to provide accommodations and they are, they are required to not hold it against you. [00:14:05] But Yeah, you feel like if I say this thing, especially somebody, I don’t know, are they going to look at me differently? Are they going treat me differently? Am I going to get fewer opportunities? It’s a real question. yeah. [00:14:17] Brett: [00:14:17] Yeah. I, I have developed like a, uh, a philosophy that says that I, I can’t, I won’t work at a job where I have to lie about my mental health, so it’s got to happen. Uh, And like I said, like, I’ve talked to teammates about it. I just need to, uh, uh, but if it doesn’t affect my work, should I like, that’s the question in my head? [00:14:46] Like, do I, even if I’m able to do my job, does it really, maybe not. [00:14:53] Christina: [00:14:53] I mean, I think it depends, like I don’t actively talk about it with my managers and whatnot, but I know that they [00:15:00] see me on social media and they know that, that stuff. And so, and I don’t hide it and I don’t hide it for a reason. Um, I don’t hide it because it’s important for me not to. And cause we’ve heard from people like even just doing the show, we’ve heard from people who, us being open and honest about our mental health has helped them. [00:15:18] And before we even did our show, I’d heard from people who, and this was before I had any sort of status, if you want to save and have status now, um, which, which, which is debatable, but. Before I was even established. Um, but I, you know, it was on Twitter and I would talk about my medications and things like that. [00:15:36] And, and I’d heard from people later on who was like you talking about what medicines you want to be an honest about it got me to go to the doctor and you only have to hear that once. I think, um, and, and both of us have heard this many times. I think you’ve heard it more than I have, because you’ve been really honest about stuff, which is amazing. [00:15:54] But I feel like you only have to hear that once for that to be like altering in terms [00:16:00] making you not want to shut up about it. Right. [00:16:01] Brett: [00:16:01] for sure. [00:16:03] Christina: [00:16:03] Like that, that, that, that’s all it takes. But, um, I don’t know if it’s not affecting your work right now. I don’t think you have to bring it up. I do feel like if you know that it could potentially be an issue, you don’t need to go into the details. [00:16:17] You just need to say, Hey, sometimes there are periods where I might be a little less productive or it might be a little, you know, down. [00:16:26] Brett: [00:16:26] I feel like it would be good to get ahead of that. Cause there are definitely. [00:16:29] Christina: [00:16:29] Yeah, that that would be my Mo my recommendation, because like what I do when I have, and I’ve gone through the manager gauntlet, I’ve had like nine managers in four years. Um, I think it’s about to be 10. So, you know, um, it is that I try to tell people who I work with on a consistent basis. Hey, I’m ADHD. Um, during meetings, like this has not been an issue in the last year, but an in-person stuff like, and I’ve done this for years. [00:16:55] I’m like, Hey, I’m paying attention. Like, if I’m in a one-on-one meeting, this is [00:17:00] not going to be the case. But if I’m in like a big group meeting with like 10 people, I’m usually going to be on my phone and I’m usually gonna be playing like a, a match three game, and I’m doing that. So I can concentrate on the meeting. [00:17:11] It is literally like, even my doctor has said, this is something that is good. And, but people will, will take it as rudeness. And so I try to get off of the office and be like, look, if this is really bothersome or whatever, we can try to work something else out, but I’m, I’m ADHD. I literally cannot focus unless my brain is doing something else. [00:17:30] This is how I handle it. Just so you know, this is what’s going on and people are, are, um, usually completely fine with it. I’ve only had a couple instances where people haven’t been. And usually in those cases where they’ll, we’ll try to kind of call me out, like, you know, a teacher would in school and try to be like, Christina, what are you doing this? [00:17:46] And then I’m like completely on it, completely engaged. And they’re like, Oh, well she’s completely engaged. So we’ll, we’ll leave it alone. Um, and, and have been other instances where I haven’t maybe been as honest as I should have been and I’ve been late on stuff and I’ve [00:18:00] been bad about it that I’ve had to kind of, you know, go with my tail between my legs. [00:18:03] And I’m like, Oh no, I should have been more honest. I, I can’t speak for your situation. I don’t know your manager or anything. Um, I think getting ahead of it would be a good thing, but I also think that the last year has been a good thing in the sense that managers and corporations, um, and, and big and small companies have to have, have to be a lot more understanding because everybody now, I think whether they’ve suffered from like an officially diagnosed condition or not knows what, like having, uh, a bad mental state is like now, right? [00:18:38] Like I feel like the whole world collectively has been going through something where we, we haven’t gone through it before. And so. People are more accommodating by design because they know that like, life is hectic because even if you don’t have any like mental health conditions, if you’re completely neuro-typical, but you have kids who are now being, you know, [00:19:00] having to be homeschooled and you have a small house and you’re trying to figure out how to work and do that other stuff that adds stress. [00:19:07] And that can add maybe, maybe somebody was laid off. Maybe there was some other stuff going on. Like there are now these things that I think people collectively have empathy for. So I think that there’s more understanding than there would have been a year ago, where if you go to a new manager who you don’t know anything about, and you’re a new employee and you’re like, Hey, sometimes I might not be as productive because of this. [00:19:31] And they might be like, well, this guy’s just a fuck up. Or what the hell now? I think people are like, yeah, we know that everybody has stuff and we can be accommodating. [00:19:40] Brett: [00:19:40] Did you read the New York times article on languishing? [00:19:44] Christina: [00:19:44] I did. You sent it to me and it was really good. [00:19:46] Brett: [00:19:46] Yeah. So like, there’s this concept that, uh, that the pandemic has highlighted of. Uh, you’re not depressed. You’re just not thriving in a situation [00:20:00] where you normally would where you’re just languishing and they’ve added a word for it. It’s like part of the lexicon now and people who are languishing now have a higher chance of having, uh, uh, uh, PTSD 10 years from now. [00:20:18] So it is like, it’s a legit, uh, problem. It’s not just, Oh, you’re having a block day. Uh, there’s this concept that people who are otherwise, uh, not currently diagnosed with depression, not currently diagnosed with anxiety. Uh, but are going through something that can have long-term effects. And, and I do think that the pandemic has really highlighted mental health in a way that affects more than just those with, uh, the common diagnoses. [00:20:52] Christina: [00:20:52] Yeah. Yeah, I, I agree. And, uh, I think what I hope is maybe a good thing [00:21:00] from this is that it will, it will make people. Who haven’t experienced it at all, like more empathetic for the people who have, and that it will maybe reduce the stigma. And that’s maybe a big ask and maybe that won’t happen, but, but, but that’s, that’s the hope anyway. [00:21:14] Brett: [00:21:14] So here’s, here’s a cool story. You ready? Um, I, I, uh, it was after our last episode, I, I get, uh, uh, I don’t know why I can’t talk today. I get a, uh, Slack message from a guy named David who works at Oracle and has been listening to over-tired for years. And, uh, so, so there are people within the company listening, and he had listened to the episode where I complained about the VPN and he showed up and told me that, uh, the app Shimo or any VPN app that works with, uh, Cisco, uh, I could use instead of the, any connect [00:22:00] app that doesn’t store my credentials. [00:22:03] So now I can just, I, I, well single click in my menu bar that can get me on and off the VPN without having to store my password or like paste my password every time. And, [00:22:17] Christina: [00:22:17] so good. [00:22:18] Brett: [00:22:18] and there’s like HTTP proxies that you can use to still be able to use like Spotify while you’re on the VPN. And he, [00:22:27] Christina: [00:22:27] Oh, hell yeah. [00:22:28] Brett: [00:22:28] He changed the world for me. [00:22:30] It was awesome. [00:22:31] Christina: [00:22:31] That’s so cool. I love it so much. Um, I’ve had this a couple times. No, no. Over tire listeners, I don’t think. Um, but, uh, although I probably do work with some people who listen over tired now, but I don’t think anybody who’d listened to it like beforehand, but I do sometimes have like, um, um, Coworkers who I’ve never met, um, email me or Slack me after teams. [00:22:53] Me, I guess, after they’ve heard me on twit or, um, a rocket even, and it’s the same [00:23:00] kind of thing, which is just the best. Um, so his name is David. You said [00:23:05] Brett: [00:23:05] I I don’t know if I give his full name. I don’t know how [00:23:09] Christina: [00:23:09] no, no, no, no, no, no. Don’t, don’t give us full name, but that’s a very common, very common name. So, but yeah, shout out to David because that’s awesome and, and good a good colleague being there. [00:23:19] And I knew, I knew that there had to be like people who knew tips and tricks and Shimo is that that’s a set-up app. Isn’t it So that’s awesome. Um, yeah, I love that. Um, that’s really, really good. [00:23:32] Brett: [00:23:32] Speaking of setup apps, have you used Pelletreau Oh my God. I’m super. So you know how, like in a Mac app you can type command shift question Mark and focus the help menu, and then use that to search all the menu items. What if you could do that with fuzzy matching and get all of the option? Uh, like sometimes you hold down option and menu items change. [00:23:58] What, if you could get all of those in a [00:24:00] pallet, the way you would in like a vs code. That’s Pelletreau does. So I can type in any app. I can take command shift P and then just type any part of a menu item and then hit return and execute it. [00:24:16] Christina: [00:24:16] I’m okay. I’m installing this right now. Cause that’s awesome. That’s something that I would seriously, I will use all the time because that is frequently. One of those things that I sometimes have an issue with, like there are other apps that have done similar things to that, but not quite to that extent, but there are oftentimes when I’m trying to access a menu thing and I really just want to do it from the, from the command line or not command line, but from my keyboard, [00:24:38] Brett: [00:24:38] And with big Sur, where a lot of times, if I use that command shift question, Mark trick, it’ll find the menu item, but I can’t hit return to actually execute it. And then when you move the mouse to go to it, the whole thing disappears. Right. And then you have to like drill back down and menu option again. [00:24:55] don’t know why that’s happening, but it’s kind of defeated the purpose of that [00:25:00] trick for me. back. [00:25:02] Christina: [00:25:02] Okay. That’s awesome. Yeah, no. And that, that would defeat the purpose because the whole purpose is like, you don’t wanna move the mouse around. And so it, and, and like the whole purpose is you’re in your brain, you’re in your like zone. You don’t want to do that. [00:25:13] Brett: [00:25:13] your flow. [00:25:14] Christina: [00:25:14] got, well, that’s exactly it. [00:25:15] Like, this is the thing. Like I have nothing against the mouse at all. Um, neither of us do, but sometimes like when you’re just in your flow, like you just want to use your keys, man. [00:25:26] Brett: [00:25:26] Yeah. Yeah. [00:25:29] Christina: [00:25:29] That’s awesome. Okay. I’m installing that now. Um, should we, uh, actually, this might be a good as a segue for, uh, for Headspace, since we just talked about mental health. [00:25:39] Brett: [00:25:39] Oh, yeah, totally. Sponsor: Headspace [00:25:41] So one of our sponsors today is Headspace, which I have been loving for quite some time. Uh, if people keep telling you to try meditation and you’re like, when would I have time? You should check out Headspace. 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[00:26:47] Um, and as in both of us are ADHD people and like the idea, the concept of meditation can seem very foreign, uh, or you can just assume it’s [00:27:00] not for you, but Headspace makes it so simple and so easy. That, uh, you can quickly come to the realization that perhaps an ADHD mind is the mind that most needs meditation. [00:27:13] Headspace is backed by 25 published studies on its benefit, 600,005 star reviews, and over 60 million downloads. Headspace makes it easy for you to build a life-changing meditation practice with mindfulness that works for you on your schedule. Anytime, anywhere you deserve to feel happier. And Headspace is meditation made simple. [00:27:34] Go to headspace.com/overtired that’s headspace.com/overtired for a free one month trial with access to headspaces full library of meditations for every situation. This is the best deal you’ll find right now. So head to headspace.com/overtired today. [00:27:54] Christina: [00:27:54] Awesome. [00:27:54] Brett: [00:27:54] Good call. That was a, that was a great spot to slot that in, not [00:28:00] this not the lead in, but the mental health lead [00:28:04] Christina: [00:28:04] Yeah. Yeah. Well, but, but Fletcher thing like Betsy, then you talked about the ADHD thing. So like it all fit. Like [00:28:10] Brett: [00:28:10] Oh, my gosh. We’re we’re. We are we’re fucking professionals. [00:28:14] Christina: [00:28:14] we are fucking professionals. It’s good. It’s good stuff. [00:28:17] Brett: [00:28:17] So yesterday I was eating some, uh, some mushroom jerky it’s like beef jerky made with mushrooms, and I was waiting for my bean based sausage to cool, to thaw so that I could have lunch. And I was going to cook it in my fancy, uh, pan that, uh, that I love. And I bought because I loved the knife that I bought from the same company. [00:28:48] And, uh, it dawned on me that all of these things. Came from Instagram ads and even, even the non-alcoholic beer I was [00:29:00] going to have with lunch that I was very much looking forward to because BrewDog is amazing. Like it all, it all came from Instagram ads and I’ve realized Instagram is uncomfortably. Good. [00:29:12] Yeah. [00:29:13] Christina: [00:29:13] It is, it is. Um, so this is an interesting question and I don’t know the answer to this. I don’t think it will affect anything, but I’m curious, you know, the whole iOS, uh, 14.5, like whole like no tracking thing. Like Facebook’s mad about it. Um, a lot of apps are mad about it and they’re like, Hey, this will really help us improve your ads. [00:29:35] Can we track you? And I’m like, no, I don’t think that your Instagram ads should be impacted by this. Although Facebook certainly think so. Cause I feel like the Instagram ads are usually based on like the accounts you follow and the stuff you interact with. [00:29:49] Brett: [00:29:49] Yes, but here’s the thing. Instagram, since I turned on the tracking blocking has started going all [00:30:00] in, on advertising hair products to me, [00:30:04] Christina: [00:30:04] which is like not [00:30:05] Brett: [00:30:05] which it makes sense because I’ve been doing this like history of Brett’s hair, uh, posting pictures of my various Mohawks and bleach jobs and, and punk rock hairstyles. [00:30:18] And so it’s safe for them to assume that I have hair. If they know nothing else about me. But I get these ads of like these dudes with like shoulder length hair, talking about how tangled it gets and how this conditioner smooths it out. And they have this whole hair care regime that regimen that does not in any way interest me. [00:30:45] And it’s almost comforting to know that I have foiled Instagram advertising, but at the same time, like seriously, I’ve discovered so much good stuff. right. [00:30:56] Christina: [00:30:56] Yeah, no, I have to, I haven’t bought a ton of stuff off of Instagram, although I [00:31:00] have bought some things, but it’s been one of those things where I always feeling bad about it, but then I see shirts and I feel other stuff, but it’s effective. And like, and it makes me hate Mark Zuckerberg a little bit because I’m like, God damn it. [00:31:09] Like not the Mark Zuckerberg created, um, Instagram or even had once to do with it for its first decade or close to decade of, of existence. But you know what I mean? Like, it just makes me just cause like he’s the worst and, um, you know, it just makes you, it’s just one of those things where you’re like, I don’t know about this. [00:31:28] Um, but yeah. Um, he, uh, for sure, like that’s one of those interesting, like dammit, you know, like things, um, because it’s effective, like it works and. [00:31:43] Brett: [00:31:43] like when small businesses ask me like what they should, where they should put their ad budgets, which it doesn’t happen often. I’m not an, I’m not an ad guy. I’m not like the go-to guy for this, but when it comes up, I’m always like, you know, Instagram seems to [00:32:00] allow you to actually target people who would be super interested. [00:32:04] And as far as bang for the buck goes, it’s where I would recommend putting your money. [00:32:09] Christina: [00:32:09] Yeah. Yeah. I, I agree. And it’s actually funny. So I’m also not an ad person, but I was asked, there was a whole thing where I was asked to, um, give a talk at the, um, Association of national advertisers a number of years ago, which was an interesting event. Um, and I basically had to do a trend report. I was basically kind of doing a trend analysis thing of like, what are some of the bigger trends we are seeing as social media and in other places. [00:32:38] And one of the things that I was talking about, and this was 2013, I think, so this was Instagram ads were new. And I was like, no, this is where you, this is where you need to be putting your money. This is going to be a big deal like this. And that was before they even had a lot of the targeting and, and like the breadth of the, of the campaigns that they have now. [00:32:57] But I was like, no, this is effective people like [00:33:00] the photos, especially if you make an engaging ad, which I think the nature of Instagram forces, advertisers to make better ads, that they want them to work. Like you can’t just get away with like your typical, like really cheap, like, you know, Fivey belly fat ad. [00:33:16] Like you, you have those, but instead what happened. Right. Exactly. Well, the thing is, is that what’ll happen there is that you just pay influencers to, to drink the fat tummy tea and, and like do that, you know, Stephanie, like, Hey, take the, and it’ll make you look like this. Like that’s how you get away with that. [00:33:33] But if you want the actual ads to work, like you have to make it look like part of people’s feeds and, and stand out. Like there’s a, there’s a certain science and probably like psychological thing you have to do with it. Like there’s an art to it. Right. And, and so, I don’t know. I, I, again, I’m not an ad person, but I, I feel. [00:33:53] I feel like I called that relatively early compared to people who are alleged experts [00:34:00] because, um, I got, I didn’t get a blow back from it that I did get some surprise from people, you know, who I, I, after I gave the talk, cause I, it was, I was one of the keynotes at that conference that year. And, you know, people who these were, this is their profession and, and seemed surprised that I was like, so bullish on Instagram ads. [00:34:18] Um, and yeah, I would do the same thing. It’d be like, if you’re trying to figure out where to put your money, I would be looking at either direct sponsorships into things like, um, you know, podcasts or YouTube videos, not pre-roll, but like, you know, host read stuff that fits a YouTube thing for podcasts, you might be able to actually do, you know, uh, the generated in that generated, [00:34:39] Brett: [00:34:39] role. Yeah. [00:34:40] Christina: [00:34:40] stuff, right? [00:34:40] Like that, that might, might work too. Um, and Instagram, cause you’re more than likely going to be able to fit, like get a lot more like dedicated people to really engage with what you’re wanting. [00:34:52] Brett: [00:34:52] Here’s my advice for YouTube advertisers. This is what works on me and I am possibly an outlier, but [00:35:00] don’t try to trick me if it, if, if it looks like, like maybe someone I follow and forgot about is, is super psyched about this product. And I see that it’s a sponsored link. I I’m done I’m out if it’s clever and it shows up in my feed and it’s clearly an ad, but it’s for something that honestly I would pause to watch. [00:35:22] You’re good. If it’s too clever, if you’ve done this whole like super produced scripted. Like a hilarious skit about your product. I, I will probably roll my eyes and continue on it’s this, there’s this certain level of cleverness that it’s just like, I, I love commercials. Like I, I really enjoy commercials. [00:35:47] I wish that, uh, Hulu had more commercials that weren’t insurance companies. Um, not that I hate all Jake from state farm love that guy that got weird with the [00:36:00] talking dog, but those, those were, I like those ads. I think they’re doing a great job. Um, but anyway, like there it’s still, it needs to feel like an ad to me, for me to be comfortable with it. [00:36:11] I don’t like to be tricked and I don’t like to be, uh, uh, if it’s too clever, it feels like it’s manipulative. And I just, just advertise to me like a normal person. Like I like a goddamn normal advertisement. [00:36:26] Christina: [00:36:26] Yeah, no, I agree with that. Uh, I also feel like there are some, because I’ve watched a lot of the tech, uh, like a computer tech, like a YouTuber is like, I feel like Linus tech tips does a good job with their ad reads. Um, they’re, they’re usually not too clever. They’ll do funny kind of segues. And, and that can be useful, but yeah, I mean, just, I love a good advertisement. [00:36:47] Um, I’ve always loved like good advertising, uh, which is weird. Cause like I find a lot of the ad tech practices really creepy and gross, but I’ve li I used to collect print advertisements. I used to have albums as a [00:37:00] kid of what I thought were really well-executed campaigns. And I love commercials I used, I know, I know I used to watch the Cleo awards when they would air them on TV, you know, and which is an Anthem, uh, you know, now is to think that they would even do But like, but like Fox would air the Cleo awards and you’re like, okay. You know? And, um, I don’t know. It feels like in our, I don’t know, like I feel like advertising is an art and I think this is one of the reasons why mad men was so successful as a show. Right. Because it kind of like kind of opened up people. [00:37:31] Well, it was successful for a lot of reasons, but I think that part of it was that a lot of people. Innately have good memories associated with certain campaigns and that there can be like a real power in advertisement. [00:37:42] that isn’t like creepy and gross because there’s an art to it. If you’re making something that’s funny or memorable or, or whatever. [00:37:51] Um, but in our bid as a society to just go to being as targeted as possible and getting [00:38:00] as much data as possible and just trying to like ring like as much money and have as many high click-throughs and whatnot, like that’s, I feel like that’s ruined the art of advertising. [00:38:08] Brett: [00:38:08] Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. So, so how’s the dose gone. [00:38:15] Christina: [00:38:15] Oh, my God. So crypto in general is a free-fall right now, which, you know, fine. Um, but my doge was up, so I was down. And then at the end of last week, like it recovered and I was up over, I was up over 55 cents and I should have sold that I should have sold then. And I didn’t. And now I’m like almost at breakeven, I’m like, I’ve only made $450 at this point. [00:38:40] So it is at like, as we’re recording this, it’s like at 34, seven 34.70 cents. So I might, it might go back to 35, but it is, it is down, um, today. Um, it was, it was at 2:00 AM. It was almost 40. Yeah. It was 43 cents at 2:00 AM, uh, Pacific time. [00:39:00] And it is just like down, um, the little bit of Bitcoin that I bought from Robin hood. [00:39:07] I’ve lost. I’ve lost $216 on, so I’ve lost 43% and I’d already lost some, uh, when I sold some of it that I’d, I’d already put into it, it to sell for more dos going. So like I’ve just taken a complete bath on Bitcoin. Like I literally bought it at the peak. Like it was could not, could not have timed the Bitcoin by worse, to be honest. [00:39:26] Um, like the Bitcoin is just Bitcoin right now is, is, uh, is tanking, which, uh, it’s at $35,000 right now. I’m telling you if it, if it, if it gets back and I said this before, like if it gets under 20,000, again, like I’m, I’m buying I’m, I’m putting in like, [00:39:44] Brett: [00:39:44] I was going to say is now a good time for me to buy Bitcoin. [00:39:48] Christina: [00:39:48] It might be, I don’t know, broad the bottom yet, but yeah, I mean, if it’s for a long-term investment, this is my take and I’m not a financial advisor, but I have been following this space for enough years to have missed out on a lot of these [00:40:00] things. [00:40:00] And I’m mad at myself that a year ago when it was at six or 8,000 and I knew, I knew I should have bought in. And I just didn’t. Um, because I was like, I didn’t think that it would come back the way that it’s come back now, but I thought that it would come back, but I feel like, you know, they go through these like booms and busts every few years. [00:40:19] And the, the, the lows are always still higher than what the previous lows were. So I don’t know if it’s a long-term play like for a short-term like day trading thing. I think it’s too volatile, but I’m seriously considering, especially if it continues to dropping to be like, okay, if I wanted to put in. [00:40:39] You know, uh, an amount of money, um, that, you know, normally put in stocks or whatever and make it like a long-term investment. And in that case, I would not use Robin hood. I would use like Coinbase or something where I actually own the coin and, and whatnot, and have it in a wallet. Yeah. I w I I’m, I’m definitely considering it at this time. [00:40:57] Brett: [00:40:57] Interesting. I suddenly have some money that I [00:41:00] invest. So [00:41:01] Christina: [00:41:01] Right. Well, that’s, that’s the thing, uh, which is very exciting for you, like, [00:41:05] Brett: [00:41:05] it really is. [00:41:06] Christina: [00:41:06] honestly, well, it’s, we’re not going to trust me folks. Don’t worry. We’re not going to turn it into like a finance podcast or anything, um, but it’s, it’s interesting. Cause it’s only been the last few years that I’ve had money beyond, like what was in my 401k to even just play around with stuff. [00:41:22] Right. Like, so, um, no, this is. [00:41:26] exciting for you. Um, any updates on, on the, on the Mac front, anything new or challenging or going well with, uh, with the M one life. [00:41:36] Brett: [00:41:36] Yeah, I, uh, I have, I haven’t used my Intel MacBook pro for a week now. Um, I have, I’m recording our podcast today on the . Uh, all of my audio stuff is working. I have my second display setup. So audio hijack is running over on the side with my meters and, uh, yeah, I [00:42:00] feel like, I feel like I’ve finally. Oh, and I got my. [00:42:03] Did I hit my blog? Yeah, I did. Last week. I had my blog rendering. I got the last couple of kinks worked out of my Jekyll render system and yeah, I think, I think I’m going to make it, I think I’m going to do it. [00:42:18] Christina: [00:42:18] Awesome. That’s awesome. So my dos dreams are dead. And so I should have bought The iMac when I did the reviews for the new iMac or out they are exactly, as I expected, people are like, this is not a replacement for the big iMac. And I’m like, yeah, no shit. Uh, and it’s basically just, it’s a more expensive version of the other in one machines, but with a built-in screen. [00:42:38] But that seems perfect for me for podcasting. So I am going to buy the pink IMAX so fairly soon, um, it’s going to take a while to ship and, and I’m trying to figure out what I want to actually place the order. Cause I need to make sure that I know where I’m going to set it up in my office. Um, we will be a two in one podcast, [00:42:55] Brett: [00:42:55] The the T I thought you said two in one. I was like, [00:43:00] well, [00:43:01] Christina: [00:43:01] but, I’m pumped. [00:43:01] Brett: [00:43:01] um, but no, I, uh, it’s, it really is that much faster, like things that took, uh, 20, 30 minutes to render, like the Jekyll blog, for example, uh, now take under four minutes. And things that took two minutes to render, like building a large Mac app. [00:43:23] Now it’s like a blink and it’s it’s running. And like the slowest part of my render time now is just the like attaching the debugger. Everything else just flies. I’m super impressed with the speed on this thing. [00:43:39] Christina: [00:43:39] That’s super nuts. Like when you consider that these aren’t even like the chips that are really going to like fly, like the ones that they were allegedly working on are going to be even more powerful. Like these aren’t even like the pro machines, right? Like this isn’t even the stuff like that. They’re, you know, working on to a sense that we replaced the 16 inch MacBook pro, but you had, or the 27 inch [00:44:00] iMac that, that I have, which you know, is, is still running like a very, very fast Intel processor, 10 core processor. [00:44:06] And, um, that’s, that’s crazy. Like, [00:44:10] Brett: [00:44:10] Until we get quantum computers on our desktops. I think this is a wonderful step forward. Yeah, it’ll be awhile. [00:44:17] Christina: [00:44:17] That’ll be a while. Yeah. [00:44:18] I have a lot of friends in, in, um, in quantum, uh, who, and I’m always asking them like, guys, when’s it happening? What’s happening. They’re like Christina, Christina, stop where we were creating languages to work theoretically with ideas quantum computers like there, I actually saw a lab at Purdue where they’re building some of the quantum materials for quantum computers. [00:44:38] It was actually really fascinating to how they’re, how they’re building Silicon stuff. That was really cool. [00:44:44] Brett: [00:44:44] Yeah, I, uh, I at the whole thing is baffling to me. I’m I’m I, I dread the day when I have to, like, when I actually have to comprehend it, because it becomes accessible to me. [00:45:00] Uh, like right now, the theory of it is fascinating. Like the whole idea of quantum computing is mind boggling to me. Uh, the idea that it could one day actually function as like a personal computer. [00:45:15] It seems, uh, uh, unreachable, but I, I really, I hope that is where, where we are headed. [00:45:23] Christina: [00:45:23] I’m going to add a link in our show notes since we were just kind of talking about a quantum a little bit, because, uh, my friend, Sarah, Dr. Sarah Kaiser, she is, um, a physicist and she’s now a computer scientist. So she kind of switched careers. She went from like academia. So she was like a quantum physicist. [00:45:39] And now she does, um, a lot of stuff with Python and with, um, uh, Q sharp, which is Microsoft’s language. Uh, it’s not related to C-sharp that naming is a whole thing because Microsoft and li names. Uh, but it’s the language that they’ve kind of built out to theoretically like work with, with quantum and, [00:46:00] and, um, so she, uh, Has written some books about that. [00:46:05] She actually, you know, uh, she does a lot of Twitch streams. People are interested in wanting to kind of get started more on that stuff. She’s a really, really good follow. Uh, she and she and her partner are both, um, in the space and are interesting to me because they are from the academia side, but they’re also technologists. [00:46:23] And that’s, to me, uh, kind of this interesting fusion in quantum is that you have like these like hard science people who are then like meshing with the computer science stuff. And it’s really fascinating. [00:46:40] Brett: [00:46:40] All right, that’ll be in the show notes. I, uh, I’m realizing that we, we missed two good segues. 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I’ve used that, um, over the years, so good stuff [00:48:37] Brett: [00:48:37] you ever used text sniper? [00:48:40] Christina: [00:48:40] I have [00:48:40] Brett: [00:48:40] I have another setup app. I love texts neighbor. [00:48:44] Christina: [00:48:44] That’s a good one. Uh, you were the one who told me about it, I think because it’s kind of, um, similar to, uh, yeah, like the, the extracting stuff that it does is really cool. [00:48:56] Brett: [00:48:56] Anyone that I haven’t talked to about this [00:49:00] previously, you just, you take a screenshot of text on your screen and it OCR it in place and puts it right onto your clipboard. So you can like snap, snap techs out of a, an image as easily as you take a screenshot. Super cool. [00:49:13] Christina: [00:49:13] Yeah, no, it’s actually really, really cool. Um, like, and a very smart use of OCR tech, which I see so many OCR demos because people use computer vision for OCR, and it’s a, it’s a common service. And you’ll probably see this too, as you’re doing more stuff with, uh, your documentation and Oracle stuff. Cause I think Oracle has, uh, has, uh, some AI services or whatever. [00:49:34] They’re like very common demos that people built to do stuff. And so, but very rarely it like this is a useful use case of that. Like it’s actually a useful use case of like computer vision and OCR stuff to be like, Hey, we can actually, because it’s a screenshot, usually the text on the screen. Is readable, not always, but you know, if it’s digital, like it’s going to be something that is going to be easy and quick to interpret. [00:49:58] And so texting diaper, [00:50:00] I think it’s a really smart idea. It’s a clever idea. First of all, I’m glad that they did it, but it’s also one of those interesting, like, I don’t see many good demos of this on like, Oh, this is actually relatively simple in terms of what it’s doing, but incredibly useful and what a good showcase of the technology. [00:50:17] Brett: [00:50:17] I should do this at the top of the show. So if anyone from Oracle decides to tune in for a minute, they would hear it. But I’ve been like learning about all of Oracle services and I am really impressed. They can offer cloud computing for machine learning and data science. That is twice as fast as anything you’ll get through AWS and cheaper at the same time. [00:50:42] It is like they, they brought in the team that built a lot of the cloud. Uh, the machine learning infrastructure, they brought in entirely from like Amazon, Google, uh, one other big tech and like [00:51:00] nobody from Oracle, like they built this, this secret team and they were like, Hey, you’ve been working in this space for 10 years. [00:51:07] If you could start over and do it again, how would you build it? And they built a cloud platform that was basically learned from all of the mistakes of the people who had like built the original and the kind of mainstream. It’s pretty cool. Like, I can sell this. I can talk about this. It’s cool stuff. [00:51:29] Christina: [00:51:29] Yeah, no, that’s awesome. And, and the cheaper thing is like, not a joke, like, um, I know this because competitive enough analysis, but also just cause I’m a nerd and I keep up with this stuff, like Oracle’s free tier as is really generous and, and they’ve gone out of their way to like, make it really generous. [00:51:46] So it’s one of those things where I think, especially if you’re just like looking at hobby projects and stuff to get started, like the AWS free tier still has a lot of good stuff in it, but most people have used their first year of like free compute resources at this point or what [00:52:00] OD and some of the stuff that is always free Like the Oracle free tier is actually really, really good. [00:52:05] Brett: [00:52:05] Yeah, the always free tier. That’s what it’s called. I have to do a, I have to help write, uh, uh, three session, um, how to like learning lab on machine learning, which is, I know nothing about it at this point. And so I have to actually, I have to be taught all of the concepts and then I have to write the, like tutorial the materials for the sessions and it’s going to be, it’s going to be interesting. [00:52:39] I, uh, I’m going to know more about machine learning soon. [00:52:42] Christina: [00:52:42] Yep. I was going to say, this is how I know what I know about machine learning, which is not a ton, but this is, this is what I know about it, because it is like just. Yeah. Uh, I’ve. I’ve had to do very similar things to that where like, they’re like, okay, Christina, you need to [00:53:00] write a talk about area and present it. [00:53:04] Oh. And this talk needs to also be replica, like, um, repeatable by other people who are not you at future events. So not only, yeah. So not only, so it’s similar to writing documentation because it’s like, not only do you have to get this talk, but it can’t be in your style. It has to be in a voice that could be anybody else’s and it needs to cover these things. [00:53:24] And we need to go over these points and I’m like, okay, but I don’t know. Anything about this? Yeah. Well, we need this done and Oh, by the way, uh, you have seven days. Uh, honestly I can’t recommend it more to just jump in and do it like for me. Um, when I joined Microsoft, when I joined the Azure team, I knew some stuff, but I didn’t, I wasn’t super familiar with a lot of Azure services and there were some things I just didn’t know. [00:53:53] And, and you know, all of the different companies, how their products work and what their service features are, are different in some ways. [00:54:00] And, and I didn’t have any like knowledge on that, some of that stuff. And I’m so grateful that I took on the Azure networking fundamentals, learning path thing to have to give that talk. [00:54:10] And I had to give that talk like 11 times, um, and, and write it because I like went into it. Like that was one example. It was like, I know nothing about Azure networking. It was like, I have no freaking clue. And I’m now going to be the lead presenter and the lead content person on this. And I, it shows it in part because I was like, Oh, I could do this other one. [00:54:27] Like this, the one that was more about like, uh, you know, uh, code development, like that would have been an easier one to take, but I was like, yeah, Christina. You’re never going to learn about Azure networking. You’re never, you don’t care. You’re never going to learn about this unless you’re forced. And then when I was forced, I was able to be like, Oh, okay, well now I have a better understanding. [00:54:46] And then when I talk to customers into users and I hear, you know, what their, um, uh, pain points are or what the things they like are like, I can actually have an intelligent conversation and, you know, it’s like picking up a new skill. It’s like, it is, [00:55:00] I haven’t been in the classroom in so long that it was like a fun thing to learn, but that sometimes it like forces it on you when you have to create content. [00:55:07] Um, One of the first things I did. You know what I mean? I was going to say like, this is for you too. Like when you have to do it, like, it’s, it’s a great forcing mechanism. Cause there’s certain stuff that I just wouldn’t personally invest in. And then like when I have to do it, I’m like glad in retrospect, because I get a much better understanding of all the things like, uh, last week you were talking about how you were having to outline what all the different services were for those pages or whatnot. [00:55:29] And I had to do a similar thing where I had to recreate some videos because the Azure portal had changed now, by the time I created the videos, that portal had changed again. So it was for nothing, but, um, it was one of those great again, like learning exercises cause the, okay, well I have to do a walkthrough for like base level people of what this stuff is. [00:55:49] So I got to figure it out. [00:55:51] Brett: [00:55:51] Yeah, which even for me, like even having to do it does not necessarily mean I [00:56:00] can focus and learn, but, uh, I’m, I’m going to have to, I’m going to have to develop some new skills as far as, uh, forcing myself to take interest in things that are not immediately, uh, grabbing me, like working independently. [00:56:18] I’ve been able to just gloss over things I didn’t care about, but yeah, I’m gonna, I’m gonna it’s it’s like being back in school. I could always, I could always pass the test. I could always pass the test even if I didn’t care. And even if I didn’t do the homework, I’d get there. I’d get there. I can do this. [00:56:39] Christina: [00:56:39] Yeah, You know, you can do it and it’s going to be a good, it’s going to, it’s just going to be like a good thing too. Like you said, you’re going to get a better skill out of this. Um, I’ve been better. I think then you, like, we talked about this, like I’ve been able to force myself to do stuff, but. For me, it can be hard to, I do sometimes need that, that mechanism where I’m like, okay, you [00:57:00] have a deadline. [00:57:00] This has to be done by this date. And, you know, it’s like 3:00 AM that the day of, and you’re like, all right, I’m working on it. Um, but, but having like a hard deliverable date, it can be a good thing, but I think that you’re going to get a good skill of being able to, you know, maybe have to like force your focus for me. [00:57:18] What, what helps. And I don’t know if this will help for you or not, but for me it helps. Like if I’m genuinely interested in something, then it’s much easier for me to focus on it. And so what my trick has always been, and it’s harder with some things than others is that, uh, but I used to do this in journalism too, when I would like have to work on stories that maybe initially weren’t the most interesting, um, is that I find some thread in what I’m working on that I find interesting. [00:57:46] And I use that to like trick myself. Into finding the whole thing. Like I have to like search and like, okay. Find the thing in this. That’s really interesting. Like, you know, and, and that, that’s always, my trick is to trick myself and [00:58:00] be like, okay, on the surface, you don’t care about this area, but there might, but there’s something in here that that is, is appealing to you. [00:58:07] Brett: [00:58:07] Yep. I can find that thing. And now that I’ve lost my voice, I don’t know why, but I do. I have to, I have meetings. Uh, this is unusual for me, but I have to end the show now because I have a meeting to get to. [00:58:22] Christina: [00:58:22] Awesome. Well, thanks. Thanks for, uh, for, for going, uh, Brett and, uh, have, have a good time at your meeting. It, I mean like, like, I, I like where I like work Brett, right? Like. [00:58:34] Brett: [00:58:34] Yeah. Yeah. I, in, in this meeting and I don’t know what to expect from it, but the title is MD content automation. And if MD sense for markdown and automation means automation, I’m like, I’m, I’m all in on this. It’s going to be a good [00:58:49] Christina: [00:58:49] I was going to say this, this seems right up your alley. Um, I will also point out and you guys probably already have your own systems and I’ll let you go. But we, our documentation team uses, like they created a [00:59:00] plugin that anybody can use in the visual studio code repository for documentation stuff, but they, they built like a, everything is in markdown and they ha they built some really, really good, um, extensions for, for vs code, um, uh, around the documentation stuff. [00:59:15] And so there might be things there that you might be able to use in fork in, in what your team does, depending on what your workflow is. throwing that out [00:59:22] Brett: [00:59:22] will check it out. That sounds awesome. Especially as we build a whole new markdown workflow here. [00:59:28] Christina: [00:59:28] Yeah. I was going to say like the, the, the docs team it’s good. And, and the stuff they’ve done, uh, it’s, it’s all, you know, on GitHub is all open source. So I, I would, you know, don’t reinvent the wheel, look to see what some of the other stuff out there is too. So. [00:59:42] Brett: [00:59:42] Awesome. All right, well, have a great day and get some sleep. [00:59:46] Christina: [00:59:46] Thank you get some sleep and, uh, but not during your meeting. [00:59:49] Brett: [00:59:49] Right. Of course not obviously more coffee. I’ll be out. I’ll be fine. I’ll be [00:59:53] Christina: [00:59:53] Okay. All right. Take care. Bye Brett

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] You are listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra. How are you doing Brett? [00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] I am. I am so tired. I feel like that should be our theme song. Oh, wait. It is. [00:00:16] Christina: [00:00:16] Oh, wait. It is. [00:00:16] you did you made that our theme song? So tell me what’s been, what’s going on. [00:00:21] Brett: [00:00:21] Oh, meetings, meetings, meetings. And it’s not like I have to pay a lot of attention in about half of them are only tangentially related to me at this point, but I have to be there. Uh, and so there’s still like that energy drain of. Of looking good on camera. Um, it I’ll get used to it. I swear. I will like, I, this is just my life now and I have to deal with it. [00:00:47]Christina: [00:00:47] Makes sense. Um, I, uh, I don’t, I’m trying to think of one point of the pandemic. I just stopped turning my like camera on. Um, but it did. [00:01:00] get to that point, for sure, for me, [00:01:01] Brett: [00:01:01] I tried that I felt guilty because like out of 20 people in the meeting, I was one of only two that didn’t turn their camera [00:01:11] Christina: [00:01:11] Right. No, see that’s always, the weird thing is like, what’s the social, like stigma on. [00:01:15] this stuff. And I’m always like, ah, like, yeah. [00:01:19] Brett: [00:01:19] I am the only person in those large meetings with a messy office, like my [00:01:24] Christina: [00:01:24] Oh, I hate that shit too. [00:01:26] Brett: [00:01:26] On camera. It is clear that I work in the basement and it is, it’s not a disaster, but I would call it cozy for an ADHD person it’s cozy. Um, everyone else has the sterile white background sometimes with artwork and plants and I’m like, shit, I can’t compete with that [00:01:46] Christina: [00:01:46] I know I look at that too. I look at that too. And I’m like, yeah, bro, blur filter. [00:01:50] put in some other things. Sometimes I just turn it off. Cause I’m like, I don’t want you to see the mess that I’m in, that I’m trying to do. I’m like, I’m trying to get my office in a good place, but this is one of the many things I hate [00:02:00] about like the current remote culture we’re in. [00:02:02] And like, I know you’ll always be from home, but now there’s this weird. But like before, like when more people are in the office, if you do have the person who’s remote. Like, you’re not staring at them necessarily. Like you don’t feel on display even if you’re the person who’s calling in, because you’ve got a bunch of people in a conference room it’s just, it’s different. [00:02:21] And now it’s like, Oh, I have to have my camera on. And I do I need to have makeup or can I not? Or do I. You know, have to like have my background clear or like, what if they see that I’m in a kitchen someplace? You know what I mean? Like it’s just, there’s, there’s all these politics around like showing off your place. [00:02:39] And I’m like, I don’t get paid enough to buy a house, to have room to, you know, do a lot of these things. So it’s Yeah. [00:02:47] Brett: [00:02:47] There’s one guy who’s like, he’s like a manager on our team and he always shows up, uh, On screen on a treadmill. So he has like a treadmill desk, I assume, but he, [00:03:00] like, he spends the whole call bobbing up and down a little bit. And it’s comforting. Like I keep thinking I’m going to break out my treadmill desk and we’ll just be like treadmill bros. [00:03:10] But, um, and there’s one woman who. Who clearly, like she has kids running around in the background. And so if you have kids running around in the background, like any mess that’s there, it kind of becomes forgivable. I think socially and hers isn’t even messy. So good on her. Congratulations. [00:03:29] Christina: [00:03:29] Good for her. No, see, this is the problem. Right. Is a lot of the stuff it’s like, just, I’m like, I don’t have the excuses and I’m like, but I don’t want to be shamed. Like my house is my house. Like I live in a small, you know, I live in a two bedroom apartment, you know, I have like 980 square feet or something like that, which I guess isn’t small, but it’s small compared to a lot of people who have houses and more room and things like that. [00:03:50] And, and you know, we’re not hoarders, but we do have clutter. And so I’m just like, I don’t. Yeah. [00:03:57] Brett: [00:03:57] have a house and I have [00:04:00] an office. I have my own bedroom. I there’s a kitchen. There’s a shared living space. Uh it’s I mean, it’s, it’s a two story. Oh, well it’s like one story and a basement. Um, it’s a ranch. So there is no place in my house that has a clear wall. Like there is no place I can go to when I was trying to take my photo for the security badge. [00:04:26] I couldn’t find a clean wall to take a security badge photo against if it’s not cluttered than it has wall hangs and photos and things on it there. And like yoga class, sometimes we go up against the wall and do handstands and stuff. I can’t do that at home. I have to like take pictures off the wall just to find a place to put my feet. [00:04:46] Christina: [00:04:46] Yeah, I have main screen that it’s not mounted, but that I’m going to Mount that. I’m trying to use it. I’m going to. So I could Mount it to the ceiling. The ceiling is too high, so I’m going to like Mount it above the closet so I can pull it down and then have a green screen if I could use for purposes like that. [00:05:00] [00:05:00] But it’s frustrating. Cause I’m like, I’m trying to turn my office into like an office slash studio slash all these other things and I’m like, [00:05:06] Brett: [00:05:06] I just ordered one of those green screens that fits on the back of your chair, [00:05:11] Christina: [00:05:11] Oh cool. [00:05:11] Brett: [00:05:11] big light, it puts like a haloed green screen around you. I’m hoping I can make that work. Then I don’t have to clean my office because I’m [00:05:19] Christina: [00:05:19] I know. That would be great. [00:05:20] Brett: [00:05:20] it’s, it’s messy on when you see it compared to everyone else’s sterile. [00:05:25] Rooms, but I am in no way motivated to change my office. I really like it the way it is. I’m like, I’m not ashamed of it. I just feel like there’s this standard that I’m supposed to live up to in a zoom call. [00:05:40] Christina: [00:05:40] Right. No, I feel the same way. And I really, I hate it. I hate it so much. I’m like, can we just not do this? Like, I just would prefer us not to have this, this whole thing right now. Like, can we just put, like, I don’t know this performative stuff, I’m not a fan. I know that a lot of people are, but I’m like this underscores the fact that [00:06:00] at least in our profession, Even though we get paid a lot of money, you know, like comparatively for stuff. [00:06:09] In many cases, it’s still not enough money to be a homeowner. And even if you are a homeowner, like working from home sucks, just it can have good aspects to it. But when everybody has to be on video and you have to do all the prestige, so I’m just, I’m not a fan. Like I, I miss the office. [00:06:24] Brett: [00:06:24] I do not share that. I absolutely love being a homeworker a homebody, but [00:06:33] Christina: [00:06:33] yeah. [00:06:33] but you’ve done it for a long time, but it’s a different thing. And I think it’s also different. Like when you take a job and it’s under the context that it’s a remote job versus when you take a job and it’s not, and then it changes and you’re like, okay, like, I, You know, cause I also had my own office at Microsoft, so that was nice too. [00:06:52] So yeah, it’s just, I’m not, I don’t, I don’t love it. It’s fine. It is what it is. It’s just, [00:06:58] Brett: [00:06:58] You [00:06:58] Christina: [00:06:58] yeah. [00:06:58] Brett: [00:06:58] awesome about my [00:07:00] job though. [00:07:01] Christina: [00:07:01] What’s that. [00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] They want to convert like all of their content, documentation, uh, all their like public facing, uh, like dev REL content over to markdown. And, [00:07:15] Christina: [00:07:15] Oh, wow. Heck yeah. [00:07:16] Brett: [00:07:16] and I’m their guy. Like I remember this came up in the interview, but then I forgot that, like, by the time I actually got the job, cause there was like a month of waiting. [00:07:26] I actually forgot what the job requirements were. All I could remember is thinking, Oh, I can totally do that, but I couldn’t remember what, so now it’s coming back up and, uh, my manager is in Rome and he S he pronounces Mark down like Mack down. And it took me a while to figure out what we were talking about. [00:07:47] But once I did I’m super psyched. Like I get to convert like, HTML R S T uh, like restructured text and, uh, various other formats all into markdown. And that is [00:08:00] that’s where I shine. That’s like my bag. [00:08:02] Christina: [00:08:02] No. I was going to say like this whole thing, this is, this is 100, like you were the right man for the job. Like if that’s all they wanted you to do, which obviously you’re going to be doing a lot more than that, but it, that was it. Like they would have hired the most correct person that they could have had, you know, [00:08:16] Brett: [00:08:16] My first actual project though, is writing blurbs. That will be part of like an overview page. With, uh, you know, on AWS, it w if you log, if you’re like click up in the, uh, search bar, you have, you’ve used AWS. Right. [00:08:36] Christina: [00:08:36] Oh, yeah, [00:08:36] Brett: [00:08:36] And it brings down that panel with like all 100 services for like route 53 and EDC. [00:08:42] Christina: [00:08:42] Yup. [00:08:43] Brett: [00:08:43] um, like it’s basically a screen like that. [00:08:46] And every service there’s almost 90 of them has to have what they, they co they want something clever. But right now, I’m just struggling to actually understand, [00:09:00] like, I’ll get it. It’ll, it’ll be like a compute bare metal and that’s all I’ll have to go on. So then I have to go look up like what this service is to Oracle. [00:09:09] So I can not only understand it, but be clever about it. It’s an intro, but it’s a great immersion. Like I’m learning a lot about the company very quickly here. [00:09:21] Christina: [00:09:21] No. I went through a similar thing when I joined the, uh, You, know, Azure is, is, I was like, I had to do some fundamentals, videos and stuff, and I had to do like a walkthrough of the, um, like. Uh, portal. And I was like, I don’t know what a lot of this stuff is. And so it was one of those things where I was like having to figure out, okay, does this, how does this like, relate to? [00:09:44] And we actually have like internally we have stuff that compares like what some of our services are compared to like AWS, for instance. But there were some other things that like, didn’t fit with that. And it’s one of those things it’s like, okay, I have to figure out like what all this stuff does and what it means. [00:09:58] And it’s a really good way of like, [00:10:00] learning. What your stuff is really quickly when you have to either write documentation or my case, like it was it similar thing. I didn’t have to write documentation. I had to build the tutorials and I had to do like the portal videos and some other stuff. And I was like, I don’t know what this stuff is. [00:10:11] So now I’m going to have to figure it out. Cause I have to create content for it. It was a really good way to get started. [00:10:16] Brett: [00:10:16] You, I know for a fact that you are better at like sitting down and learning that stuff than I am though. Like I get so overwhelmed so fast and like reading for comprehension is not my strong point. [00:10:31]Christina: [00:10:31] Yeah. I’m not bad at that. Um, but the problem is, is that sometimes you can go into little tangents, like, Oh, you read something, then you try it out and then you go into. A rabbit hole on that. And, and it, you know, waste some time and sustained focus is sometimes the issue. So a lot of times what I’ll do when I’m learning stuff is I keep, you know, a list of links, like usually a Mark down list of links. [00:10:52] And I try to create like a favorite soldier or whatever, or, you know, do something in Pinboard or someplace else and, and habit. So I have my resources so I can, you know, go to [00:11:00] later, but, um, our issue in, and I’m sure this is the same case with, with, uh, Oracle. Cause it’s the same case with every company is that we will have documentation. [00:11:09] Within the documentation stuff for different things that will exist in multiple places. So, you know, because one team put it in one place, one team, put it in another. And so, you know, you wind up finding one bit of really useful information. You’re like, well, this should be linked here, but it’s not, but I found it through this link and it doesn’t land on this landing page and it’s not cross-referenced here, but it should be, you know? [00:11:28] And so you wind up having to kind of create your own, own weird little like nest of where you’ve figured stuff out. [00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] I’ll take that to the next level and say they gave me. Three different lists of services to write blurbs about, uh, ostensibly these were three different ways of seeing the same information. I converted them all into a list that I could diff the no two of those have the same names for the services. [00:12:00] Or existing descriptions. [00:12:02] Like they are all, it’s three completely different lists as if they came from three different companies. And so like the first step, the last three days has just been trying to figure out what the canonical list of services is. [00:12:16] Christina: [00:12:16] Right. Yes, no I, yup. Yup. Um, I haven’t had to do that exact thing, but we’ve run into, I’ve run into similar things over the year. Like when I’ve started. I actually think that the first product that I was working on when I joined Microsoft, which doesn’t exist anymore, there was. Um, there was a thing where you had to go through and we had to find like a listing of all of the stuff that existed, like all of the courses that existed on this platform. [00:12:44] And we thought that we had a canonical list. We did not. And we had to kind of go through and like figure out where it was and then do an audit of what their links were and like what their dates were when they last been updated. Like there was all this stuff. And just getting to that point where we had like a canonical list of like all the things that were on [00:13:00] the platform was. [00:13:01] More difficult than it should have been, but that was by virtue of the fact that there were three different management systems and two different builds systems for where the content was managed. It was, yeah, it was a lot. [00:13:13] Brett: [00:13:13] I have a going back to the research thing. I have a tip for our listeners. And maybe you, have you ever gotten into the browser plugin where Kona. [00:13:24] Christina: [00:13:24] I have not, although you have introduced it to me and told me how good it is, I’ve tried to get into it, but I have not been able to get into [00:13:33] Brett: [00:13:33] Like if I, so I sit down and I want to start, you know, researching services and I know I’m going to be finding a bunch of links. I basically just open a new window. Give it, uh, give, give my like tap group a name. And then every tab that I opened becomes part of that group. And then I can just close that group and come back to it. [00:13:51] Anytime it’s a tab manager, but it’s super, super slick. Super cool. I love where Kona. I’ve probably mentioned it [00:14:00] on this show before, but I honestly, I, I wouldn’t be able to work without it. [00:14:07] Christina: [00:14:07] Yeah, that’s a, well, I mean, I’m glad that you don’t have to. I’m glad that you have that in your repertoire, so to speak, [00:14:13] Brett: [00:14:13] I wonder if it’s actually pronounced work, Ana like work on this and work on that. I don’t know. Um, I really, that would be, uh, just poor spelling if that’s the case, but, um, speaking of day jobs, uh, I don’t have time to cook lunch anymore. And, uh, that’s I get, so I do the intermittent fasting thing, so I don’t eat until noon, but if I don’t eat at noon, things get ugly. [00:14:42] Uh, and that means most days like a peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, my lunch, which isn’t great for me, but a ritual. Our our, our long time sponsor, the vitamin manufacturers, uh, just came out with a protein powder that I have been [00:15:00] using and loving. Can I tell you about it? [00:15:03] Christina: [00:15:03] Please do cause they sent this to me, but it arrived literally as I was flying out to see my nephew. So I haven’t. [00:15:09] been able to try it yet. So please tell me about it. [00:15:11] Brett: [00:15:11] Yeah. So like protein powders can feel intimidating with all the, no pain, no gain stuff associated with them. But the truth is deep down. As in like cellular level deep, we all need protein and it’s about more than just muscles. So rituals team of scientists, re-imagined protein from the ground up and from the inside out. [00:15:31] From how it’s made to who it’s for. And the result is that delicious plant-based protein offered in three premium formulations for distinct life stages and unique nutrient needs all made with the same high standards approach to, and commitment to traceability that ritual is known for whether you’re doing reps or more into a dog, walks ritual is introducing essential protein here to shake things up. [00:15:55] That’s a pun because you shake it up, you get it, you get it. Um, yeah. [00:16:00] So now that I’m super busy taking the time to cook lunch has been pretty much impossible. Uh, I’ve been using ritual as a meal replacement, which I asked them, can I use this as a meal replacement? And they said, yes, that’s what we made it for. [00:16:14] Um, so I get the protein that I need and I don’t feel hungry. And I get the nutrition that otherwise we’d take some careful meal planning that once again, I don’t have time for, uh, having used some meal replacement products in the past. Uh, you know, that I I’ve always, uh, I’ve loved my meal replacement, but I can tell you that essential protein actually tastes great. [00:16:35] Not just in comparison to others. Like it’s seriously just tasty. I’ve used like pea protein in the past, which is what they did. And somehow they made it work. Uh, but pea protein, you can’t mask that flavor. I don’t care how much. Peanut butter and banana. You add to it. It still tastes bitter and awful. So props to ritual for making this work. [00:16:58] And they did it with no added [00:17:00] sugar or sugar alcohols. The trick apparently is handcrafted vanilla flavor made from a direct from farmer vanilla bean extract, sustainably harvested and Madagascar. And I know this because of that. Visible supply chain. You always know what’s in their formula where the ingredients come from and why they’re included. [00:17:21] Yeah. The, their beans are from, or their peas are from the U S with like regenerative regenerative farming practices. This is, this is good shit. Um, Essential protein comes in clean plant-based formulas, specifically created to support nutrient needs of different life stages, like 18 plus pregnancy and postpartum and 50 plus 20 grams of pea protein. [00:17:44] Plus a complete amino acid acid profile made with essential Coleen to help fill common dietary gaps. Like all ritual products, essential protein is soy-free gluten-free and formulated with non GMO ingredients. [00:18:00] So why not shake up your ritual again? Good pun. I try to make something new, less scary, uh, to, to try to make something new, less scary. [00:18:10] Ritual offers a money back guarantee. If you’re not 100% in love. Plus overtired listeners get 10% off during their first three months. Just visit ritual.com/overtired and add essential protein today. That’s ritual.com/overtired. And I got to say, I’m, I’m really impressed with this stuff. So I’m happy to Hawk it for them. [00:18:33] Christina: [00:18:33] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Thank you ritual. And I’m, I’m, I’m excited to try this out when I get home, because I am in a similar situation where I sometimes don’t have time to take, to eat lunch or more accurately. I forget. So this is exciting. Yep. [00:18:49] Brett: [00:18:49] you get like three back to back meetings and it’s really easy to forget other than like your raging headache that you haven’t eaten lunch. [00:18:56] Christina: [00:18:56] 100%, although we’re pretty good. I also see that [00:19:00] this is the hard thing, cause I bet most people on your team are working West coast hours. So we usually don’t have, um, meetings during like 12 to one o’clock so that makes it easier. But yeah, since you’re two hours ahead. Yeah. [00:19:16] Brett: [00:19:16] I, we, we, we, uh, most of the us part of the team is West coast. So we rarely had meetings before 10:00 AM my time, which is great. Cause I go to yoga three times a week and it’s usually goes till about eight 45. And I haven’t had to change that except for my manager is in Italy. And he was super excited to find out that I was two hours ahead of California, because that means he didn’t have to stay up till like 8:00 PM to have a meeting. [00:19:48] So he’s been scheduling stuff at like seven 45 in the morning. He scheduled one for seven 15, and I had to say, no, that’s too early. [00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] Yeah, which I think is fair. I think you can be like, yeah, look, I’m, I’m [00:20:00] really glad that I’m earlier than you’re used to, but [00:20:03] Brett: [00:20:03] very understanding. [00:20:04] Christina: [00:20:04] Yeah. [00:20:06] I feel like an hour dude. Cool. Like two now you’re kind of getting to the point where like I’m not even awake yet. Yeah. [00:20:13] Brett: [00:20:13] Well, that’s the thing is I get up at five 30, like every day, five 30, even on weekends. It’s just, my body is currently wired that way, except like that time between five 30 and. 8:00 AM or 9:00 AM. That’s like me time. That’s when I do personal coding projects and work on my office, set up and stuff like that. [00:20:33] And it feels, I don’t want to give that stuff up. That’s like that’s Saturday time for me. [00:20:40] Christina: [00:20:40] No, I think that makes sense. And it’s interesting because I’m not a morning person, but I do find that if I can wake up, like if I could have that say, you know, Hour and a half or two and a half hours to wake up and kind of get ready for the day. Then I’m actually really productive that I actually need to work on is, is waking up in advance. [00:20:56] Cause usually what happens is I just wake up, you know, it would [00:21:00] either be just with enough time to get into the office. Cause I would usually take like either like a seven. 55 or like an eight Oh five. Like sometimes it was a seven 30, but it would vary like what time of, uh, like bus, like connector I would get, you know, and sometimes I would try to see if I could get like a, like a, like an eight 25 that would be like ideal. [00:21:19] And then I would get into the office like a little after nine and, and that would be really good, but, you know, um, and so depending on the day, you know, might only need to wake up 30 minutes. And advance and then go across the street and catch the bus. But now, because I could just, you know, roll out of bed and go into the other room or sometimes just take the meeting from my bedroom. [00:21:43] I ha I don’t have that me time. And I think that as an ADHD person and for lots of other reasons I need to do that, that’s actually been interesting. What’s going to be really interesting when I go back, um, on Saturday is my sleep schedule is, is so fucked right now [00:22:00] because I’ve been staying up with my sister every night with the baby and, you know, so that means going to bed. [00:22:06] Like I w I went to bed at like 4:00 AM last night, and then I was up at like nine and, [00:22:10] Brett: [00:22:10] I haven’t stayed up till 4:00 AM since I was, Oh my God. I can’t even remember the last time I stayed up past midnight. [00:22:17] Christina: [00:22:17] Well, I mean, I, I frequently say past midnight. [00:22:19] and do other stuff, but it’s just that what’s going to be weird about this is that. Like my body clock is also now three hours ahead. And so going back, I’m going to be getting used to both the, you know, staying up weird hours and being in a different time zone thing. [00:22:34] And then it doesn’t help that I’ve got to sort of prepare myself because not next week, but the week after next is Microsoft build and I’ll be doing some of the late night hosting stuff. So yeah. [00:22:47] Brett: [00:22:47] 8:00 AM. And then you could like do a full 24 hour reset when you get home. No. Then you’d be like 12 hours off that [00:22:56] Christina: [00:22:56] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it wouldn’t So I’ve got to, yeah, I’m just going to [00:23:00] be sleeping and trying to get into things. But I have a bunch of meetings Monday and Tuesday next week. So I don’t know. I’m my sleep schedule is fucked up. I’m going to be, you know, it’s going to be interesting to see how my body reacts and stuff next week. [00:23:10] That’s for sure. [00:23:11] Brett: [00:23:11] So let’s talk about your doge coin. This is our continuing saga we’re we’re in the, uh, the doge segment of the show. Now. [00:23:19] Christina: [00:23:19] We are in the Dodi segment, the show. will fucking Alon, you know, totally whiffed on SNL. And that was when it started to really drop. And so my average cost cause I bought in too high, my average cost is now 24, uh, uh, 0.9, 4 cents. So almost 25 cents. So the current price as we’re recording, this is 38 five three. [00:23:43] And. Dropping, but also going up a little bit. It, this is the lowest it has been in weeks. Um, and it’s funny because I remember when it hit for 20, like 42 cents, everybody was like, so excited earlier today. It was at like, 44 cents. [00:24:00] Um, it was at, I think it hit, um, like 47 or 48 cents yesterday. I don’t know. [00:24:06] It’s down a lot. The whole, all of crypto is down a lot. So I’m only up as we record this, a little loan over $600, $620 and 41 cents. So I’m only up 55% right Now. [00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] Yeah, like this slump took Bitcoin down, like 36%. Like that was a huge loss. [00:24:23] Christina: [00:24:23] Yeah, no, he’s now at 48, um, eight five. And at this point, I mean, I’m kind of, I’m kind of looking at getting into Bitcoin, um, at least like fractionally, um, see if it drops any lower, because I think it’ll come back. But yeah. Um, I, Um, [00:24:43] My, my doge green dreams, I was up like two grand Saturday. I should have sold Saturday. [00:24:48] And I didn’t partially because I was with the baby. And then by the time it was dropping, I was like, well, maybe it’ll pop and I don’t want it to, I don’t want to lose stuff. And now I’m just kind of at the point where I’m like, you know what, this I bought into this. Cause it was [00:25:00] funny. And I [00:25:03] Brett: [00:25:03] to play the choke out. [00:25:04] Christina: [00:25:04] Completely. I mean, like here’s the, here’s the thing, and this is like the immense privilege, but I’ve talked about this before that this was money. I forgot that I had, and so I don’t really care one way or another. The worst thing that can happen is if I lose all of my investments, then I get a tax write off for that amount, which I can definitely use. [00:25:22] Like, that’s the worst thing that can happen. So, yeah, I think I’m just going to play it out. [00:25:26] See if it pops again and if it doesn’t and I’m down, if I’m at a loss. Womp womp, then it’s been really funny, you know? [00:25:34] Brett: [00:25:34] So this, uh, this crash really was brought on. By Elon Musk doing a horrible job on us and no. And the fact that it was bad jokes that made a joke currency it’s uh, Michael of Baird said bad jokes. And no funny means leading to a dose crash. Absolutely makes sense. To me, it’s like an earnings miss, [00:26:00] but for a new era. [00:26:01] Christina: [00:26:01] 100%. Um, there was, uh, there was another component to this, to this guy, uh, uh, Michael Silbert, who was like one crypto guy. I can’t remember what coin he was from, uh, where he was from, but he decided to get out and try to put it in something else. And he apparently had a really big position in doge. And so, and, and he got out like before SNL started, so that might’ve had something to do with it, but yeah, you saw it drop, like I was watching SNL and he was so bad. [00:26:27] I was watching SNL being called an abelist, by the way, I’m an able to Snell Brett, because I said that a billionaire, um, famous person didn’t do a good job on SNL. And then people were like, Oh, well it’s because he has Asperger’s. And I’m like, I don’t actually care. [00:26:42] Brett: [00:26:42] had Asperger’s. [00:26:43] Christina: [00:26:43] Agreed. Well, that came out. But [00:26:45] Brett: [00:26:45] Dan Akroyd was funny. [00:26:47] Christina: [00:26:47] It precisely, like, here’s the thing. Um, I’m not going to give you an attaboy or like a good job because you have a disorder that in some people means that you’re not good at making eye [00:27:00] contact or, you know, you don’t have good timing and you can’t be funny. [00:27:02] Right. And that’s not the case with all people, but it is the case, but some people, but like, It’s the same thing as that, if you have a profound speech impediment or stutter or something else, maybe you shouldn’t be a news anchor. [00:27:14] And in fact, most news anchors you would be disqualified. If you had a really profound stutter or a really profound speech impediments from being a news anchor, you would be disqualified from that job. Uh, that’s a fact and that’s completely fair. So maybe if for whatever reason, I don’t care what it is and people I’m in love. [00:27:34] Some of the discord let us know online. If I’m an asshole, maybe I, I admit this is an asshole thing to say, but I think it’s also pretty honest. If you have things going on, like he’s not a good public speaker and we know this, maybe those should be things that should be disqualifying for hosting a show like SNL, just a thought, [00:27:50] Brett: [00:27:50] we have. We had [00:27:51] Christina: [00:27:51] but it has nothing to do with his being Asperger’s. [00:27:53] Brett: [00:27:53] had, we’ve crossed over into like the, who Christina has pissed off this week segment. This is cool. [00:27:59] Christina: [00:27:59] Yeah, I was [00:28:00] going to say, um, yeah, no people were calling me able to send all this other stuff than somebody can compared me to a Trump supporter. And anti-vaxxers because I dared say that I’m entitled to say, I don’t think the guy is. Good At this. And he was like, well, you’re just want to be a hater. And I’m like, who cares? [00:28:16] It’s not hurting him. I’m not punching down by saying that the guy’s a bad public speaker in his, and wasn’t a good host. I also said that the writing let him down and the writing was really bad. So it wasn’t the complete thing where it was all of his fault. Like the writing was also really, really shitty even for, you know, SNL standards, which SNL can be mixed, but, and that’s just my perspective. [00:28:38] Some people write, but sometimes that’s an L. Nails it, sometimes it doesn’t like the thing is, is that, you know, like when you bring in non-performers to a show like SNL, the results are usually really negative, right? Like, this is why politicians, I don’t think should be brought on. Now. I know why SNL invited him. [00:28:56] They wanted the ratings and they wanted the memes and they wanted, [00:29:00] you know, all the other stuff. That’s why you invite him. I get it. I’m not opposed to them inviting him. I just feel like it’s one of those things. Like there are some people who are going to be really good on television and there are some people who are really not, and he’s not good TV. [00:29:14] Like, it’s just [00:29:16] Brett: [00:29:16] Yeah, [00:29:18] Christina: [00:29:18] you watching him on Joe Rogan get stoned. Like that’s one thing, but watching him on a comedy show, whatever and so bad, it, it, it lost me money. So fuck you along. I mean, I’m kidding. I don’t care. [00:29:32] Brett: [00:29:32] cross promotion, my guests this week on systematic. We’re a, uh, a therapist who specializes in, uh, autism spectrum disorder and her daughter who was diagnosed with Asperger’s during the period where they were actually using the Asperger diagnosis, [00:29:51] Christina: [00:29:51] was going to say, that’s the other thing too, like this has, this is no longer even part of the DSM five. [00:29:56] Brett: [00:29:56] if you were diagnosed with Asperger’s during the [00:30:00] time of the DSM four, you do get to maintain the diagnosis. Like you can still call yourself an ass ASPE. Um, [00:30:08] Christina: [00:30:08] so you can ask me. [00:30:09] Brett: [00:30:09] Yes. It’s still a Git despite, you know, Asperger being a Nazi and all of this. But anyway, it was a fascinating conversation. I had them both on, I got to talk to, uh, both from like a parent, a parent who specializes in autism and a daughter who actually lives with it. [00:30:27] And it was, it was a really cool conversation. [00:30:29]Christina: [00:30:29] That’s awesome. That’s really good. I’m really glad to hear that. [00:30:33] Brett: [00:30:33] So speaking of dose though, [00:30:36] Christina: [00:30:36] Yeah. [00:30:37] Brett: [00:30:37] I feel like I could segue into upstart lending at this point, that was almost a segue in and of itself. 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That’s what I, that’s what I try to do. and I know that it’s not always possible to do that, but that’s what I try to do. Um, that’s actually one of the reasons why I like American express historically, is because most of their cards, aren’t charged cards. [00:33:39] They’re not credit cards, meaning you have to. Like you don’t have a choice. Like you have to, um, pay it off at the end of every month. So. [00:33:48] Brett: [00:33:48] you can’t spend money, you don’t have, uh, which is always my intention going into it. And then things happen that I can’t afford, but have to be paid. And I ended up putting them on a [00:34:00] credit card and thinking I’ll be able to afford this in a couple months, but then more shit happens and shit piles up and shit sucks. [00:34:08] Shit, shit, shit. Anyway. Yeah. So. Uh, w I’m gonna skip, we were on the, we were on the, the Musk, uh, train for a minute there. And we could have talked about how a couple of researchers hacked a Tesla with a drone flying overhead, which is slightly interesting, but also, eh, I’m over it. [00:34:32] Christina: [00:34:32] You’re over it. I mean, it’s, it is what it is. I mean, I think, yeah. W the one thing I do want to say about Musk, did you see how he also crashed Bitcoin? Because he said that Tesla won’t accept it. [00:34:42] anymore. And. That he doesn’t want to, um, he like feels like, Oh, um, uh, you know, that it’s bad for the environment or whatever. [00:34:51] Like all of a sudden he now like, cares about the environment. [00:34:54]Brett: [00:34:54] It’s his, his stance on the environment is, uh, [00:35:00] frequently infuriating. Like he doesn’t believe the science. No, it’s it. Yeah. [00:35:07] Christina: [00:35:07] Well, and also, it seems weird to me, like he’s still keeping his crypto holdings, right. So he’s still keeping his holdings in this stuff, but, and he’s like, I’m not going to cash out, but, um, we’re not going to accept it anymore. Which to me feels like, well, this just makes me see me. It makes me think you’re just. [00:35:28] Not happy with like the price fluctuations of Bitcoin. And so, and it, and it’s worse, less than it than it was maybe. And so you don’t want to take the loss when converting it to Fiat, if that’s what you’re going to be doing with it. And I’m sorry to use the term Fiat because we should just call it real money. [00:35:48] But you know what I mean? Like when you convert it into actual dollars, you would be at a loss. I mean, I don’t know. It seems. It seems weird to me. Like he’s not wrong that the environmental impact for each transaction [00:36:00] is terrible. Although a, I would question how many people are actually buying Teslas with Bitcoin. I, would imagine that it’s a very small number, right? So even though that’s not to detract from the environmental impact, but is also to say, I feel like this is, this is, this is covering up for something else. Is all is my, was my gut feeling. Uh, but anyway, that could also be why it fell, but it’s, it’s just funny how, um, there’s speculation, like, is he gonna piss off all the people who are, um, so, you know, in love with him with this stuff, I have no clue. [00:36:35] Brett: [00:36:35] I, yeah, I don’t think, I don’t think those people will ever go anywhere, but if you ever want to like, uh, fully lose whatever respect you have left for, uh, Elon Musk, uh, there, uh, some more news Cody Johnson. Just put out a whole half hour episode on, on Musk and it is, it digs into everything that’s wrong with the [00:37:00] guy. [00:37:00] And, uh, if, if the, if you want to know more, it is absolutely worth a watch. [00:37:07]Christina: [00:37:07] Excellent. I will check that out, but yeah, this is, uh, this is interesting. Oh, so bad news. My dad has discovered YouTube. Yeah, because he watches a weird, like he watches some of those, you know, like weird gossip videos that, that get created that somehow get into your playlist and then sort of not full-on conspiracy stuff, but stuff that certainly seems weird and lots of covers of songs. [00:37:34] And that, I don’t know. It’s just, there’s he watches lots of weird shit and I’m like, I don’t know what you’re watching. This Is a lot. [00:37:44] Brett: [00:37:44] he going to get radicalized? [00:37:47] Christina: [00:37:47] Oh, he’s already radicalized? [00:37:49] That’s that’s that’s too late. The Fox news already ruined his brain. So that’s absolutely too late for that. But now I’ve discovered the YouTube stuff. [00:37:57] I’m like, Oh my God, you be more of [00:38:00] [00:37:59] Brett: [00:37:59] put some parental controls on there. [00:38:02] Christina: [00:38:02] God. Um, he was showing us Tik TOK videos because he’s really into Elvis. He was showing us Tik TOK videos that he discovered on YouTube. And, and, um, my, my sister was like, you should explain tech, talk to him. And I was like, Kelly. No, what is the point? Like I’m not even sure bothering the guy is 76 years old. [00:38:20] I’m not explaining to talk to him. I’m not doing that. I’m not getting into that. Let him find his videos online and enjoy it. And just think that it’s a YouTube thing fine, because he found all these girls dancing to Elvis songs and was really into it because he loves all of us. And I was just like, you’re such a boomer dude. [00:38:35] You’re such a boomer. I love my parents. I really do. But my God. [00:38:41] Brett: [00:38:41] Do you want to get to the really important topic? [00:38:44] Christina: [00:38:44] Absolutely. [00:38:45] Brett: [00:38:45] Monospace fonts with ligatures. Where do you stand? [00:38:50] Christina: [00:38:50] Okay, so I’m in favor, but I know that that’s controversial because a lot of, uh, actual glyph designers dislike it. It depends on the font though. Like [00:39:00] I think in some fonts, I like it in some I don’t, but in general I do like it, especially if it, if there’s a font where it’s difficult to tell the difference between certain things and if you’re trying to customize your terminal, so. [00:39:13] I I’m not against it, but I, I do understand why the purists don’t love it. [00:39:20] Brett: [00:39:20] Well, I never liked it. Like it always, if I tried a new font and it suddenly changed like certain character combinations into symbols, uh, I always found that a little bit annoying enough that I would, you know, just switch to a different font, but then I found. JetBrains. And I loved JetBrains mano enough that I was willing to give the ligatures a chance. [00:39:43] And now that I’m used to them, I can say that at least in this specific case, I’m actually really a fan of ligatures. [00:39:53] Christina: [00:39:53] Yeah. [00:39:53] I like, I like the brains monophonic. There’s also Cascadia code, which is our font for, [00:40:00] um, uh, windows terminal, which is really good. And I liked that one a lot. That also has a ligature option. There is somebody who has created a way to like add ligatures to operate our motto, which is the, um, uh, Hoefler uh, and company font that I use. [00:40:18] There’s a, There’s one called a dank motto that I bought that I like, I think that one has a ligature option. [00:40:25] Brett: [00:40:25] a really, I’ve never felt fancy enough to actually buy a license for operator, but there are a couple of open source knockoffs, and one that combines with, um, the lobster, the Google font lobster. Um, I Google probably didn’t make it, but that’s where I know it from. But anyway, it uses lobster for comments. [00:40:45] Uh, italicized text is then in like a script and it actually looks really good. [00:40:50]Christina: [00:40:50] Yeah, I like that too. Um, but it is one of those things, I think like once you get used to it, you really like it, but it is one of those interesting things. Like, and obviously like fewer code is like the [00:41:00] most common one. Right. And, and that was, you know, uh, somebody like added, you know, and, and updated like the, the, the fear of, uh, You know, um, Um, font and, and added that support to it. [00:41:13] Now, do you get into power line stuff? That’s where [00:41:16] Brett: [00:41:16] No. [00:41:17] Christina: [00:41:17] I, I understand the appeal, but like that just kind of, I do do [00:41:23] Brett: [00:41:23] mean like the prompt, right? Yeah. No, I don’t. [00:41:27] Christina: [00:41:27] Yeah. I like, I see people who get really into that and that’s fine, but there is some times, um, Like, I think that, I don’t know, like, it’s, it’s a cross between me. I understand why people do it. [00:41:39] And I, I get it. I do, I do do some customizations to like my term and within like my Zetia and whatnot to maybe add some stuff to do similar things to power line, but I don’t. [00:41:50] do [00:41:50]Brett: [00:41:50] I started using, uh, uh, prompt, uh, it’s available for fish. I don’t know if they were, it works in other shells, but it’s called Starship [00:42:00] and it makes all of the like, uh, Ruby versions and get status and all of that, like super easy to add to prompt. So I’ve, I’ve incorporated Starship into my. Custom prompt. [00:42:11] And I still, like, I haven’t figured out what all of the symbols it shows in a get repo mean yet. Like I can put together from context that this means it’s dirty and this means it’s behind this many pushes, but sometimes it throws up character combinations that I don’t, I don’t know what it’s trying to tell me. [00:42:31] I really need to look that up. [00:42:32]Christina: [00:42:32] With any shell, because I’ve used it before. Um, with, with other shells, I’ve used it with, um, with seashell and, um, uh, Some other stuff, but yeah. Um, I think that it started out maybe as something that was part of, um, Oh no, it, it, it started actually, it’s part of the spaceship prompt, which was a Z shell prompt for astronauts, which I liked a lot. [00:42:55] And, and, um, and, and now works at theirs, but yeah, that’s a, that’s a good one. I was like looking, I was like, [00:43:00] Oh, should I do I need to, um, favorite that? And It’s like, Nope, it’s already started. It’s already might get up stars already there. [00:43:08] Brett: [00:43:08] it’s like when I Google how to solve a problem and I find my own block. [00:43:13] Christina: [00:43:13] Yeah. No same thing. And, and nerd fonts do some similar things and that’s what some of what it’s using is that you’re able to kind of upend like the nerd font stuff to those things. So, yeah. Uh, but yeah, star ship, is it star ship.rs, um, is the website. And, um, we’ll put that in our show notes, but it’s, it’s a good, and actually there, um, I’ve used this one before, too. [00:43:39] Cause I like it’s coloring a lot and I like, it’s like, I like the icons, but like you, some of the stuff I like have no idea what it is. I’m like this, this is confusing to me, but I like it. [00:43:49] Brett: [00:43:49] speaking of my own blog, I, uh, I, so like part of switching to the M one Mac mini, uh, I think we talked about how, like my, [00:44:00] one of my biggest problems, what I was that I couldn’t sell older versions of Ruby on it. [00:44:04] Christina: [00:44:04] Yes, you couldn’t compile your [00:44:06] Brett: [00:44:06] Right. So my blog was stuck in whatever state it was in like eight years ago. [00:44:11] And I finally, I sat down, I rewrote a bunch of plugins over the weekend. Uh, one, one step at a time fixed almost everything. Uh, I’m going to let go. Like I used to have a plugin that could, if you put in a flicker album ID, it would create a gallery. Uh, uh, the images from that album, uh, but I don’t really use flicker anymore. [00:44:37] And I can, I can let that go. That I’m not going to put time into figuring that out, but everything else I think I have working, I think the next blog post I publish will be compiled on my M one Mac mini. [00:44:50] Christina: [00:44:50] Nice. Nice. And so were you able to up, so were you able to upgrade everything then in that case? Or did you compile from source some of the old versions? [00:44:59] Brett: [00:44:59] No. I [00:45:00] like, I got everything working with the latest version of Jekyll on [00:45:03] Christina: [00:45:03] Okay. Got it. Perfect. Perfect. Well, I mean, then that’s a good thing, right? I mean, ultimately it would be better to not be on like a version of Ruby That’s been deprecated [00:45:12] Brett: [00:45:12] Or, or a version of Jekyll that has like two major releases behind. Yeah. [00:45:17] Christina: [00:45:17] Exactly. I mean, and it’s hard because if it’s something like a blog where you don’t have sensitive information and where, you know, it’s not like of the utmost importance and it’s not WordPress where people are, have like literally a bots who were crawling the web to try to find login pages and stuff. [00:45:30] Like I get my WordPress site that I haven’t updated in years and years, I get emails every single day of lockout of IP addresses, trying to spam into it. I’m like, yeah. Good luck fuckers. The admin username doesn’t work. Because I changed it, you know, like eight years ago, because I’m not a moron. Um, [00:45:47] Brett: [00:45:47] is just a static site. There’s [00:45:48] Christina: [00:45:48] that’s what I’m saying. [00:45:50] That, that’s what I’m saying. I’m like, I mean, maybe if you could pop into, if you could pop the containers and then you could get access to other parts of the server, but you know, who cares? Um, [00:46:00] So. [00:46:00] I understand the point where at certain point, like you, you want to run the latest things, but at a certain point you’re like, it works. [00:46:06] I don’t care. Screw [00:46:08] Brett: [00:46:08] and if it were an easy, yeah. If it were just a matter of like updating the gem and, and using it, that’d be fine. But I had, uh, about 30 custom plugins that had dependencies that. If I upgraded Jekyll and the bundle that allowed it to run, it broke most of those plugins. So it was, it was, uh, I had to weigh how much time it would take to revamp them versus the actual benefit, which as we have just discussed, uh, was, was pretty nil. [00:46:40] But now I, now I want to let go of my Mac book pro um, not my work one, but the one I just got a year ago. [00:46:51] Christina: [00:46:51] Right. yeah, You’re you’re you’re 16 inch, right? [00:46:53] Brett: [00:46:53] I still agree. Great machine. I, I love it. But now that I have the mini and a work laptop, I want to be able to [00:47:00] hand down the back book pro to the next person in line, uh, which would be L this time. [00:47:07] Um, and I just, I need to know that all of my shit’s going to work on the mini first though, but I’m getting there. I’m almost there. I, so I wanted to add a second display to it. Uh, I have this, uh, older 27 inch thunder Thunderbolt display. And right now, my Dell, I have an awesome 32 inch Dell. Uh, you HQ something. [00:47:35] It’s amazing. It’s an awesome monitor. It plugged into a display port, which is then plugged in through USBC. So I took the Thunderbolt and I put a converter on it from Thunderbolt two to Thunderbolt three, plugged it into the mini. Nothing happened. So I Google it turns out and he can drive one six K monitor off of [00:48:00] USB-C. [00:48:00] But then the second monitor has to, it’d be, HTMI like a 4k over HTMI. And so I th I thought the Dell has a, uh, a plug for HTMI, but if I plugged the Dell in to HTMI, it just blinks on and off, and I cannot figure out why. So I’m left here with this super, I love this old Thunderbolt display. It’s a shame that I can’t use it, but after a night of, of fucking with it, I I’m giving up. [00:48:29] I, I think, uh, I think I’m either going to be a one display person, or I’m going to have to buy a new HTMI display. [00:48:36]Christina: [00:48:36] I know this is a problem that a lot of people have run into because I believe they only support one external display and they’re. Maybe certain ways you can hack around it, [00:48:44] Brett: [00:48:44] the mini, the mini supposed to support two. One of them just has to be HTMI [00:48:49] Christina: [00:48:49] Okay. [00:48:50]Brett: [00:48:50] Mac books only support one. Like you have to, you have to go through like USB display hacks to get a [00:48:57] Christina: [00:48:57] Yeah. That’s what I was. You have to do that. Okay. [00:49:00] So one of them can be Aisha. My now could you just get an HTMI to display port or whatever, like a form you have adapter to work with it. Like, would you be able to just do that? [00:49:09] Brett: [00:49:09] I posed that question on Twitter. Um, it turns out if it’s a thunder bolt displayed, the only thing that can power it is a Thunderbolt port. You can’t send HTMI to the Thunderbolt display. [00:49:23] Christina: [00:49:23] Yeah, Yes, no, that, that is true, but there are some caveats there. For instance, if you have like one of the LG, like the 27 inch or the 24 inch. The 4k or the 5k displays that they sell, like at the Apple store that are overpriced the first revision that is true. The second revision, you can technically run those off of USB-C. [00:49:43] Um, but they will only like the 5k display will only display in 4k for instance. So it’s, there’s a weird thing with some of the standards. So in general, that is correct. There are, but I would like put an asterisk there because depending on the display and depending on the version of Thunderbolt, there might be ways around that, but yes, in general, that [00:50:00] is correct. [00:50:00] Brett: [00:50:00] Yeah, I like this, this Thunderbolt display I want to use, it’s not high depth. It’s from like 2012, maybe [00:50:08] Christina: [00:50:08] Yeah, exactly. That one, those, those are no, no, that’s the problem is that those, and, and it’s a good panel, but it’s, again, it’s like 25, 60 by 1440 or whatever. Um, so it’s it’s a good panel, but, um, yeah, the input thing there is just a, yeah, you’re, you’re basically dead on that. Um, unfortunately, I mean, you got a lot of use out of it. I mean, that’s the thing, like I ha I’ve had people who were like really mad. They were like, Oh, my Thunderbolt display from, you know, a decade ago doesn’t work anymore. I’m like, okay. I not saying that you shouldn’t be annoyed, but at the same time, you’ve presumably had, you know, many years of service out of it, which is not quite the same thing. [00:50:48] You know, as like this thing that I bought two years ago, doesn’t work. It’s still frustrating, but it is what it is. But this is, I think like why. In general, I’ve [00:51:00] become, and I’m a big purport. I’m a big supporter of Thunderbolt and stuff like that. But I’ve been in general, like sometimes I look at some of those device types and whatnot. [00:51:08] I’m like, yeah, this, this is more of a pain than it should be because of the various, um, technical like requirements around it. And it’s interesting too, because the newest and why machines use. USB for. And so they’re only Thunderbolt three by virtue of the fact that USB four is now a super set of the Thunderbolt three spec. [00:51:33] Like that’s literally the only reason why they are Thunderbolt three compliant is because they’re, you know, like, so even at this point, even like Apple, isn’t going through the process of like, it’s not clear if they’re going to be supporting Thunderbolt for, uh, when that comes out. Like they’re very much like, okay, we’ll use USB for. [00:51:49] But we’re and because that’s a super set of Thunderbolt three fine, but we’re not doing it. Hang else. Ironically, that’s a good thing because then about three was bad, [00:52:00] basically only a thing in the, in the, um, Mac space, even though you had it on some Intel motherboards. Um, and there are a handful of AMD motherboards, including one that I have. [00:52:09] And because of that, you’ve had a lot of monitors. I think we’re. Overpriced and other accessories, you know, that were maybe overpriced or were in a, kind of a different category that would only work on certain things. And now since USB four is going to be much more mainstream, it’ll be, you know, on future, all Intel motherboards and AMD will presumably adopt it on theirs too. [00:52:29] Then hopefully more of those device is an accessories will be usable and the price on some of that stuff will come down. So, which would be nice. [00:52:37] Brett: [00:52:37] OWC is, uh, a USB for, uh, slash Thunderbolt for hub [00:52:43] Christina: [00:52:43] Yeah, I’ve heard really good things about it. [00:52:44] Brett: [00:52:44] all I wanted was a way to split, like with fire firewall or FireWire Thunderbolt three. I just want her to wait to, to turn one port into three ports, like with the, with the, with the dedicated bus and [00:53:00] the chaining that it should be able to do that didn’t seem like too much to ask. [00:53:03] Uh, but with the USB for, uh, OWC is putting out a dock that does. If that’s all it does. It’s one, uh, USB four in three USB, four out. And that’s I already pre-ordered mine. [00:53:19] Christina: [00:53:19] That’s awesome. Yeah, I’ve heard really good things about that. So I’m hoping that, um, Washington college that, uh, that’ll be a good solution for a lot of people. Cause I believe that it actually will even give you a dedicated bus in some of those cases. So I’m like, I’m really happy about that. Um, but it it’s like it’s about time because in some of these cases, it’s just been really. [00:53:37] Brett: [00:53:37] Did you know that? So on the Mac books, uh, there there’s like two ports, uh, like two USB-C ports on each side and each pair of those has a dedicated. Bus, but on the Mac mini there’s only two ports totals. So the safe assumption would be that they share [00:54:00] a bus, but that’s not the case. The M one Mac mini has two dedicated Thunderbolt buses. [00:54:06] cool. I just figured [00:54:08] Christina: [00:54:08] Yes, it is. Yeah. Yeah. The, the Mac mini does, and it’s frustrating to me because my $4,000 iMac does not. And it, and, um, and so it, like the amount of bandwidth that you have is limited. And that wouldn’t matter, unless you’re trying to power a 5k display and then trying to power, like a second pipe 5k display, which I do. [00:54:27] And then you wanted some room for some other stuff and you can do it, but it’s just, it’s a, it’s a thing anyway. Yeah. You want as much bandwidth as possible. So. [00:54:37] Brett: [00:54:37] I feel like that’s a, a good place to wrap up the show. I mean, it’s not perfect. Like, I don’t have a, like a way to tie that off with a bow and call it a show. But what I’m trying to say is I feel like it’s time to wrap up the show. [00:54:51] Christina: [00:54:51] I think so. I think so. Cause you’re tired. I have a baby that I need to play with. I’m also a little tired, to be honest, the baby has been exhausting, but in a good way, [00:55:00] but, um, yeah, so, uh, Good show brought them. I, how, I’m glad that you’re a guest almost through with week two. So, um, you’re still kind of in, in meeting itis, but hopefully that will calm down a little bit as things continue. [00:55:17] Brett: [00:55:17] We’ll see anyway, get some sleep, Christina. [00:55:21] Christina: [00:55:21] get some sleep read.

Christina is now Aunt Christina. Brett is now Corporate Brett. Basecamp is now much smaller. And somehow Taylor Swift still fits into it all. You can’t stop the Taylor. Apparently. Sponsor Headspace: Find some peace of mind during stressful times with Headspace: mindful meditations, sleep stories, and focus soundtracks to get you through your day (and night). Visit Headspace.com/Overtired for a free one-month trial. Show Links Basecamp debacle M1 Mac mini Join the Community See you on Discord! Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 237 [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Hey, you’re listening to overtired. I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren. Nailed that intro. How’s it going, Christie. [00:00:08]Christina: [00:00:08] I’m um, it’s going really well, Brett, and yes, you totally nailed that intro. [00:00:13] Brett: [00:00:13] Um, so you’re not in, like Seattle? [00:00:16]Christina: [00:00:16] I’m not in Seattle right now. No, I’m not. Your girl got on a plane. I’m in Atlanta, Georgia. Cause I got on a plane for the first time in 14 months. Pretty awesome. And uh, I’m I’m at my parents’ house. I’m on the floor right now. Uh, literally, because this is the only place I could find a set up my microphone and I’m, I’m an aunt now [00:00:41] Brett: [00:00:41] Is this the first time you’ve been an aunt? [00:00:44] Christina: [00:00:44] biologically sure is. [00:00:45]Brett: [00:00:45] What, what, what is non biological aunt, aunt hood like? Yeah. [00:00:50] Christina: [00:00:50] I mean it’s similar, but it’s different. It’s like, but you know, I have a lot of friends with kids who call me and Christina. [00:00:56]Brett: [00:00:56] I had some aunts when I was a kid that I [00:01:00] later found out were not at all related to me. [00:01:02] Christina: [00:01:02] Yeah. I had, I had my aunt Betty and some other people like that, too. Exactly. Thank you. Thank you, Christian, Eastern war. And not to be confused with me, Christina Easton, Warren, uh, was born on May 1st and, uh, mom and baby are doing well. Uh, there was, uh, there was, uh, unplanned C-section because, uh, his shoulders were a little bit too big for Kelly’s body. [00:01:27] Uh, yeah, but he’s, he’s doing well. They’re doing well. So he was born on Saturday and then were released from the hospital on Wednesday. I got in on Wednesday. So I’ve been it’s now as we record this Friday and, uh, I’ve been, um, with the family soaking up, uh, baby time. It’s uh, it’s pretty great. He’s he’s a chill baby so far. [00:01:48] So, uh, the dog likes him a lot, which is good. It’s Kelly has a, um, um, she has, she has a, she has a poodle administer [00:01:58] Brett: [00:01:58] It would suck to have to rehome [00:02:00] the baby. [00:02:01] Christina: [00:02:01] It really would, it really would have to rebuild the baby would not be a good thing. Note that the boo bear, the dog is, is, is in love. And, um, the family everybody’s doing well, but yeah, so babies, man, [00:02:16] Brett: [00:02:16] Yeah. So we, we typically do not get excited about babies, but I feel like, uh, you you’ve, you’ve softened in the face of actually having one in the family. [00:02:29]Christina: [00:02:29] I mean like, look, babies are generally bullshit. Right. And I’m not saying that like, I’m completely changing my stance on that, but I’m also super happy for my sister. And, uh, yeah, I’ve, I’ve softened a little bit. I can’t lie. He’s so tiny. Um, also like I get to be the cool aunt. I don’t have to like pay for his college. [00:02:51]Brett: [00:02:51] Well, I mean, you could so my grandma paid for my college, uh, which was [00:03:00] super handy, I guess. Uh, I had no student debt when I came out. um, I don’t think that’s the place of an aunt. You’re right. [00:03:10]Christina: [00:03:10] Well, also in fairness, like the cost of paying for your college, not to say that it wasn’t, um, wonderful of your grandmother and that it wasn’t a sacrifice, but it’s like, even with inflation, it’s like several magnitudes higher now. Right? Like [00:03:31] Brett: [00:03:31] went to school for 60,000. [00:03:33] Christina: [00:03:33] for four years. Yeah. So my school was like 37 or 38 for one year and yeah. And yeah, and now that seems cool. It’s like 65 for one year. So [00:03:50] Brett: [00:03:50] year did you graduate from college? [00:03:52] Christina: [00:03:52] 2007. [00:03:54] Brett: [00:03:54] Okay. Yeah, I graduated in Oh. Oh, [00:03:57]Christina: [00:03:57] So, um, [00:04:00] and now, so in 18 years we don’t even know what it’ll be like. Right. So obviously it can’t continue at the rate that, that it, that it’s currently increased because, but, um, yeah, like even state schools are like early 20 grand a year now. So [00:04:20]Brett: [00:04:20] that in 18 years, enough Republicans will be dead. Uh, just from old age. No, like this isn’t a death threat of any kind, but that, uh, some socialist ideas could finally take [00:04:35] Christina: [00:04:35] I mean, I hope so. [00:04:37] Brett: [00:04:37] could be, [00:04:38]Christina: [00:04:38] I mean, I hope so that said, I think we severely underestimate the new breed of Republicans that will exist then. [00:04:48] Brett: [00:04:48] you mean the Nazis I’m familiar. [00:04:51] Christina: [00:04:51] well, the, the, the, the direct Nazis, but also the people who are like, Oh, I, I I’m [00:05:00] down with gay people, but I don’t don’t tax me. Um, you know, and if anything, more of those people will exist as people age into that. [00:05:09] Like I’m just saying, I don’t have a whole lot of, I don’t necessarily trust the zoomers is all I’m saying. I don’t know. So I don’t necessarily trust the zoomers, uh, to be, to be the woke, like heroes that we’re expecting. Uh, so we’ll see. I, I do, I don’t think that it can continue at this rate, right? Like it, the cost increased substantially, even while I was in school. [00:05:35] But, uh, anyway, that’s a whole tangent anyway, I’m not paying for college, so I’m saying, uh, but, uh, I will buy him. I will buy him cool shoes and, um, and, and give him gum and, uh, teach him the, the, the, the dirty lyrics to all the old songs. But, uh, yeah, somebody else can hear her school. [00:05:54] Brett: [00:05:54] I don’t single nephew. I have five nieces and there’s another baby on the [00:06:00] way. And statistically, it’s going to be a girl, but I don’t, I, I wouldn’t necessarily want to be the only boy when all of your siblings and all of your cousins were girls. I think, I think that would be a little bit, uh, maybe, maybe that makes boys turn out better. [00:06:21] I don’t [00:06:22] Christina: [00:06:22] I don’t know. I don’t know. So, so in my family, we were the opposite. So Kelly and I are the only two girls who were born in, like, I don’t even know, like. A hundred years or something. There are three. Okay. I’m not even joking. I’m actually not even joking here. So like, if you look through my direct family tree on the Warren side, so not talking about my mom’s side, but like the Warren side, um, in, it was like, it’s like 75 for a hundred years. [00:06:46] There were three women born. It was like my cousin, Lisa was the first Kelly was the second. I was the third. Um, the next one we got Lisa did have a daughter, but then that, you know, didn’t have a last name, Warren. Um, and then, [00:07:00] um, my cousin, Chris, um, he has two daughters who were born in the two thousands. [00:07:06] So. It is incredibly, incredibly uncommon to have women with the last name, Warren, at least in my direct family tree, like incredibly uncommon. Um, and so like, like, uh, my, my, um, I had three male cousins who all, except for Chris have multiple male sons, my dad’s, um, you know, all of his cousins, you know, all of that, like is just, it’s incredibly, incredibly male heavy for whatever case. [00:07:37] So, uh, the other cousins, or I guess second cousins or whatever the term is, but they’ll, there’ll be called his cousins. Cause they live in Atlanta who are closer to his age or whatever are all boys. Um, but, uh, yeah, so I have no idea. I mean, obviously he’s, he’s going to have an, an aunt only, uh, but, uh, and he’s right [00:08:00] now, you know, the houses actually. [00:08:02] Uh, for, you know, uh, for the first time, not completely female dominated, uh, you know, it’s, it’s going to be three women and two men in the house right now. But, um, the, at least the house that we’re living in, um, actually I guess it’s male have if you count the dogs, but, uh, but yeah, so I, I don’t, I don’t know. [00:08:21] All I’m saying is that this was one of those things where Kelly and I were the anomalies and, and he is like, right on track. Like everyone, my mom fully expected to have a boy, uh, and was actually, they were very concerned that I was going to be a boy, uh, why they didn’t get the ultrasound and realized that wasn’t the case. [00:08:42] I’m not really sure. Uh, I guess they, they didn’t look at it that way, but I kicked a lot apparently. And, uh, and so everyone was like, well, you’ve got a boy because boys kick, which is such bullshit, it’s like, Cause honestly, I mean, I can’t think of anyone who’s like less masculine [00:09:00] than me, you know, and in, in those, in those senses. [00:09:05] So yeah, [00:09:06] Brett: [00:09:06] Man. I feel like we segue into talking about trans people in sports, but we’re not going to, [00:09:11] Christina: [00:09:11] no weird. Absolutely not. I’m no, [00:09:15]Brett: [00:09:15] I actually have a lot to say on that, but I don’t this isn’t the [00:09:19] Christina: [00:09:19] do it this week. It’s not the week for this. Fuck. [00:09:21] Brett: [00:09:21] Yeah. This is the show. This just isn’t the episode. I’m not, I’m not there today. [00:09:27] Christina: [00:09:27] No, I’m, I’m not either again. Fuck Caitlyn Jenner. Like seriously. Fuck you. You fucking fuck. But like, [00:09:34] Brett: [00:09:34] Like all of this legislation, like half of the us States currently are bringing forward legislation [00:09:40] Christina: [00:09:40] not talk about it. Look, I know let’s, let’s, let’s, let’s say in our zone for this week and we will go into this because honestly, neither of us are athletes. Either of us are like politicians and we have [00:09:54] Brett: [00:09:54] Um, [00:09:55] Christina: [00:09:55] exactly, exactly. That’s the most important thing. Neither of us are trans. Yes. [00:10:00] [00:09:59] Brett: [00:09:59] distracted me early on? When you say you’re on the floor, are you laying down? [00:10:04]Christina: [00:10:04] I’m sitting. I was laying earlier. Um, I can lay down. [00:10:09] Brett: [00:10:09] I’ve always been curious what it would be like to podcast laying down. I did an episode of systematic once with, uh, uh, w with John, John, John, uh, from the long winters. So what I am blanking on everything today, Roderick John Roderick. I did an episode with John Roderick, where he was sick and he was laying in bed while podcasting. [00:10:31] And I’ve been curious about it ever since. [00:10:35] Christina: [00:10:35] So now I I’m, um, on my, um, elbows, but yeah. [00:10:40] Brett: [00:10:40] I don’t sound any different. I feel like it could work. [00:10:44] Christina: [00:10:44] Yeah, no, because I’m, I’m making sure that my mic placement is good. [00:10:47]Brett: [00:10:47] So I got a job. [00:10:49]Christina: [00:10:49] Yes. Hell yeah. [00:10:51] Brett: [00:10:51] that, but I [00:10:52] Christina: [00:10:52] We knew that we knew this was coming, but you started your job. Yeah. So last week listeners, we did not record because, um, [00:11:00] uh, job stuff you need to get ready. And then I had some, some work conflicts or whatever, and we took the week off, which was great for you. So tell me all about the new job. [00:11:09] How’s how’s onboarding going. Welcome to Oracle. [00:11:12] Brett: [00:11:12] well, so like, I haven’t actually started any projects yet. Like this whole week was, uh, getting set up, going through training videos, filling out tax forms, signing up for benefits. Despite that I’ve had to be in on T3, like 10 meetings in the last four days. Uh, and in those meetings right now, like I spend the whole meeting, looking up acronyms and, and projects in confluence to figure out what the hell everyone’s [00:11:48] Christina: [00:11:48] talking about talking about, Oh my God, this, this, this mirrors my experience. When I joined Microsoft to a T like my first several weeks, I had like a whole onboarding plan where I was [00:12:00] in so many meetings for like all day. And I had no idea what anybody was talking about. I had to look up all the acronyms, um, I, you know, to like go through the onboarding process. [00:12:13] I went on a listening tour where I talked to people on my team and like ask them what the best way to work with them was, and order to figure out what it was that they did. Like, that was what my manager suggested I do. He called it a listing tour. It was actually a very good thing. Uh, so if you’re worried, a lot of people, if you have that opportunity, I do suggest that cause it was actually one of the better things that I did when I was onboarding. [00:12:34] But yeah, the acronyms man, they’re not what you would think either. Like we have an acronym for CSS, which is not cascading style sheets. Which is confusing. [00:12:44] Brett: [00:12:44] I keep saying Hool, which I have just assumed is hands-on learning. Uh, cause we’re in like I I’m in the tech writing part and a lot of our projects say Hool and I think it’s like how tos and stuff, but I haven’t had a chance [00:13:00] to ask about that one yet. They teamed me up. I have like, uh, an onboarding buddy who has only been at Oracle for three weeks. [00:13:09] And like, so we’re w [00:13:12] Christina: [00:13:12] leading the blind. I love it. [00:13:13] Brett: [00:13:13] we’re more, it’s more that we’re commiserating about being new than it is like she’s helping me actually. She she’s giving me her experience from two weeks ago. It’s actually pretty helpful. [00:13:27] Christina: [00:13:27] I was going to say, it’s not bad. I didn’t ever have a buddy. What we had cause we could meet in person then is that we had new employee orientation, which was like the first day. And that was a few hours. And then you went into like one of our business group you were in and then you, you know, got lunch with somebody who was like one of your coworkers. [00:13:48] And I guess she technically was my buddy, but she was also like the only, like my team was really small. So she was also kind of like my counterpart on another team. We had lunch, I got my laptop, I set up, started [00:14:00] to set up that process. And then we had like a week or so later we had like a, a reunion sort of thing between like the new orientation thing where people met up and I met some other. [00:14:13] Um, people who were the only people who looked like me, but this was all their first jobs out of college. And that was clearly not me, but everybody else was like, well, grizzled in the corporate America thing and like looked older. Um, and I look young, so they all thought I was a fellow teen. So I like hung out with the new grads and we used to get lunch like every week for awhile, which was nice. [00:14:39] Brett: [00:14:39] Yeah. Um, I’m going to remain a remote worker even, uh, even if they bring people back into the office, which I’m very happy about [00:14:47] Christina: [00:14:47] Totally. No, but, but I just meant, like, it was a similar thing in that I had like somebody, like, we, we had people who we could like commiserate about [00:14:53] Brett: [00:14:53] Oh, sure. Yeah. I [00:14:54] Christina: [00:14:54] that was [00:14:55] Brett: [00:14:55] the lunch thing got me. Um, the, there, I, [00:15:00] when I signed up for benefits, uh, it was super cool that if you have a partner that you live with, you can get the exact same benefits for them as you would for a spouse, even if they’re not tax dependent. So I’m able to get healthcare, health, health, insurance, and life insurance and vision, and all of that for L. [00:15:27] And we don’t have to do that marriage thing. It is, um, I’m impressed. I didn’t know. That was a thing. [00:15:34] Christina: [00:15:34] It is, yeah, this is again like I’m so this job is so good for you for so many reasons, but, um, as much as people should on like big corporate companies and they should, because there are a lot of problems with them. Like one of the biggest advantages is the benefit structure and the other like perks and stuff that you get. [00:15:53] Like, it’s just like my life substantially increased for the better for all of [00:16:00] those things, you know? Like, um, cause grant has been, um, he unemployed and then not like with a job that like gave him like insurance or whatever, and things like that. And like having that, you know, covered and having L have be able to be on your insurance and get the life insurance and get the other things. [00:16:19] And like, it’s just, it’s really, really nice. [00:16:21] Brett: [00:16:21] Yeah. Um, I was getting nervous sitting through all those meetings and hearing about all of the projects that the team had in the works. I was getting nervous about my ability to jump in. Uh, in what they were talking about. So I had a one-on-one with my manager and. The first, first project I’ll be working on is just there there’s like an index page with like a bunch of the different programs as they try to reach out more to front end and, uh, personas that because [00:17:00] Oracle has always been enterprise and they’ve always been on a license model and, uh, they just, there’s not an appeal there for even front end, backend developers, data scientists that aren’t working in enterprise, things like that. [00:17:14] And, uh, so my job will just be to write blurbs for this index page for all of these different services, which will be a perfect chance for me to get a cursory understanding of all of these products. And then. Yeah, then the next project will be setting up a GitHub repo and defining a structure and converting a bunch of stuff to Mark down. [00:17:41] And I’m like, Holy shit. I knew this job was going to be perfect for me. [00:17:45] Christina: [00:17:45] No, this is great. This is so great. Yeah, this is, this is perfect on so many levels. This is really exciting. And, uh, I mean, we, we were talking over text, um, before the show and I was the only thing I was trying to tell [00:18:00] you was to. Like don’t freak out about feeling like you have to do it all because a they’re going to give you things to start with that are exactly in your wheelhouse and B. [00:18:10] This is the best part, but it’s also frustrating. Uh, but, but it’s really good. The beginning stuff is going to move so slowly. Like you’re, you’re going to be, you have no idea what to do. I mean, four years in, I still am at a point right now where I’m like, should I be doing more? Uh, and because we’re used to either like me with like journalism and you with like startup stuff and, and with other clients where like you have to get it done and things in, in corporate kind of enterprise world, they just move slowly. [00:18:43] Like there are times where you’ll have deadlines and projects that you will have to work on really quickly. Like I had a project last summer where our deadline was, was frankly, by any stretch, it was ridiculously truncated. Like it was, it was dumb how fast we had to move, [00:19:00] but. Those are few and far between like most of the time it’s, you know, you do it. [00:19:06] And you’re like, okay, what next? And you’re like, should I be doing something else? And people are like, Nope. [00:19:13] Brett: [00:19:13] Yeah. Like we stand ups, uh, Tuesday and Thursday and, uh, Is that right? Yeah. Tuesday and Thursday. And between the Tuesday and the Thursday, one pretty much everyone’s update on Tuesday was that their project was blocked in some way or another. And then on Thursday it was basically just ditto, like, which always makes me question the utility of stand-up meetings. [00:19:39] That’s always been, uh, even, even my last go round in corporate America, I was the team leader and we kind of can the idea of stand-ups and just, uh, like, uh, text updates. But anyway, I can, I can work with corporate culture. I can do that. But, uh, so my team is the, the U S [00:20:00] people on my team are almost entirely West coast, which means we don’t have any meetings before 10:00 AM for me, which is 8:00 AM for them, which I, I love, I get some, I get some like me time. [00:20:14] Uh, right now I’m putting it into like my own coding projects. Uh, but once things get started, it’ll be like some uninterrupted work time that I won’t have to shift focus to meetings and stuff, but half my team is international. And the, my, uh, one, one of the people that I need to interface with is in Italy. [00:20:39] And he has always right. And he has always had, like, he has to work till like 8:00 PM, uh, in order to meet with the people in California. So he was super excited that I actually get up at five 30 in the Midwest. And so he scheduled a meeting next week for [00:21:00] what is for me, 7:00 AM. And I’m going to take it. [00:21:03] Um, I’m going to try it. Uh, I, I kind of don’t want to set a precedent that I am available before 8:00 AM my own time, but we’ll see. [00:21:17]Christina: [00:21:17] Yeah, no, I mean, I think that’s fair. I mean, and I, okay. So I work with people who are in Australia, who are in China, who are in Europe, uh, and, um, The the, the time zone thing is always, uh, an issue. And in Australia it’s sometimes almost easier because they are like, what are they, I guess they’re like 14 hours, um, ahead. [00:21:44] Um, and, uh, or something like that or 16 hours, I’m not even sure how many hours they are, but it, it, you can almost, it’s one of those things where like, at 3:00 PM, my time it’s like [00:22:00] early for them, but like not too early for them to be like dead asleep. Right. So it can be like maybe like 9:00 AM or something. [00:22:07] Um, and, uh, so, so we, we can [00:22:09] Brett: [00:22:09] 9:00 AM the next day. [00:22:12] Christina: [00:22:12] Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and, and so, um, the Europe ones are hard on the West coast exactly. As you described, because it’s like a 10 hour difference. It’s, it’s nine or 10 hours, depending on what, um, what country they’re in. But, uh, and like for you, I think it’s, it’s, uh, seven hours for Italy. [00:22:30] Um, cause it’s six for East coast. And, but then there’s some countries where it might be like an hour ahead or behind. I don’t, I can’t do the math in my head right now. Um, but those are the hard ones, uh, and in China is, is, can be an Asia can be a disaster. So sometimes a lot of those people have to do like really long, you know, their work shifts have to be kind of truncated in other ways they want to do meetings. [00:22:57] And we, what we try to do is we try to split things up where we have [00:23:00] like. Evening, um, meetings. And then we have morning meetings, like every other week for our, our group meetings. So we’ll have one at five 30, um, uh, Pacific time. So that’s eight 30 Pacific, uh, for an all hands. And then the following one will be at like nine 30 in the morning. [00:23:18] So we try to alternate those ways, [00:23:20] Brett: [00:23:20] you have meetings at five 30 in the morning. [00:23:22] Christina: [00:23:22] no, uh, sometimes, uh, no five 30 in the [00:23:26] Brett: [00:23:26] Oh, okay. [00:23:27] Christina: [00:23:27] Um, but, but, uh, yeah, we, we try not to have meetings scheduled before 8:00 AM Pacific, but I have before had to get on the call with, with people in other countries at like 5:00 AM. Um, if there was just no other way for it to work, but yeah, I mean, We, we try to make it somewhat equitable just because we work with a lot of people who are all over the place, but typically how it works and this is shitty, but it is what it is. [00:23:55] The company’s based in North America. That typically becomes what you [00:24:00] defer to, you know, like that, that’s the thing that is going to get more. Like if it came down to rock paper, scissors of who’s going to who you’re going, who’s going to have to alter their schedule. It’s usually the people who are not in the camp in the country where the company is based. [00:24:15]Brett: [00:24:15] So I, so like I get up at five 30 and then between six and yoga, which is usually seven 45. Uh, I’ve been doing my own coding projects, which I was worried. I wouldn’t have time for anymore, but I actually was able to add in like a whole, if then, uh, logic, syntax to bunch, I swore I was putting a feature freeze on it until the beta was finished, but then I got this bug and I was like, I’m going to, I’m going to add if that, so you can like, if this app is running or if this other bunch is open or if this variable contains this string, like, there’s this whole syntax now with if, if [00:25:00] else, and or if else, if, and, uh, ELLs and you can like control entire blocks. [00:25:06] So you can make like one bunch that does a hundred different things. It got crazy. Yeah. [00:25:11] Christina: [00:25:11] Now, now I hope we put a feature freeze until the beta. [00:25:14] Brett: [00:25:14] Yeah, I want to, I’m considering adding a feature request. That was for the ability to, uh, read Jason either from a script or from a file and create, uh, dialogues, like multiple choice dialogues with Jason. And it just [00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] would be cool. That would be fun. I just, my only concern with you is like, you’ve got to ship at some point, you got to ship a beta and if you keep adding features, then like you can’t do it. Like you, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta scope. Like you gotta scope your project. [00:25:48]Brett: [00:25:48] it has never been my, my forte. [00:25:51] Christina: [00:25:51] I know it hasn’t. But if you’re wanting to turn this into a commercial thing, you’re going to need [00:25:54] Brett: [00:25:54] Oh my God. You know what it’s so I had thought I had flipped the switch to [00:26:00] compile marked for, for Apple Silicon, and, uh, I had just assumed, cause he didn’t give me any warnings or errors. I had assumed I was building universal binaries. I wasn’t like I had a DTK way ahead of schedule, but I’ve been putting out Rosetta versions of Mark and now I have to figure out like, cause it uses a bunch of libraries that aren’t compiled for [00:26:29] Christina: [00:26:29] Right, [00:26:30]Brett: [00:26:30] And so I have to go through and figure out exactly which libraries are holding. So that’s like a whole weekend right there. Just [00:26:39] Christina: [00:26:39] Oh, no, totally. Yeah. I mean, my hope is that by now maybe a bunch of those libraries, like other people have compiled them and updated them, you know? Um, since it’s been, uh, [00:26:51] Brett: [00:26:51] part like most of them are open source and I can just recompile them. I just have to [00:26:55] Christina: [00:26:55] That’s what I meant. Like you can recompile and, and, and do it like you, you’re going to have to recompile and like, that’s part of your [00:27:00] weekend thing, but I’m hoping at this point, like most of the libraries have already been updated, uh, you know, at that point. So it’ll be a weekend, but hopefully it won’t be too much of a, of a pain. [00:27:09] Brett: [00:27:09] I have, I have more to say about Apple Silicon, but, uh, first I, I wanted to do our review segment. [00:27:18] Christina: [00:27:18] Yes. [00:27:19] Brett: [00:27:19] We have some new reviews, uh, [00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, listeners. [00:27:23] Brett: [00:27:23] And, and keep them comment Jr. Duncan’s five stars. If you know of Christina Warren, you know, you need more Christina Warren content and your life parentheses, sorry, Brett. [00:27:35] I’m a recent listener and still getting to know you, but you seem cool over tired brings even less filtered. Christina, Warren Taylor, Swift coverage, nerdy programming and tech stuff. Parentheses, no like really nerdy and mental health discussions. To what more could you ask for. [00:27:53]Christina: [00:27:53] That’s awesome. And, uh, Jerry, you’re going to be a huge fan of Brett because it’s the best. [00:27:58] Brett: [00:27:58] And then, uh, from [00:28:00] final broadcast, cool weirdos for cool people, a podcast about whatever the host want, like a morning check show, but made by people that aren’t Botox and reading teleprompters. It’s brilliant. Check it out now. And then my favorite one, it’s five stars, but it’s titled over tailored is the worst. [00:28:20] Christina: [00:28:20] Yes, yes, [00:28:21] Brett: [00:28:21] review says JK. I love it a lot. [00:28:23]Christina: [00:28:23] Over tailored. Oh my God. Why have we never thought of that? I’m dying. I’m like actually dying. This is so good. [00:28:31] Brett: [00:28:31] Oh, I can’t remember. We read this one last time or not, but from Dayton, TP, it’s just titled I can relate five stars for someone with anxiety, OCD, and stays up too late each night. I can relate to many of the topics and discussions on this podcast. I have also been in software development for over 20 years. [00:28:48] So I enjoy that side of the discussion as well. I love the, these reviews are held. We don’t get a lot of like, uh, uh, analytics on who actually listens to this show. We just get [00:29:00] numbers. We know this many people are listening, but we don’t know who they are. So these reviews kind of give us, like I had assumed a tech nerd kinda group, but this, this helps prove it. [00:29:14] Christina: [00:29:14] It does. I love it. Thank you. Listener is doing the best and, uh, over tailored. Oh my God. [00:29:20]Brett: [00:29:20] Yes. Um, who would, that was from colony. FM is cool. [00:29:26]Christina: [00:29:26] That’s cool. That’s so good. And thank you listeners. And also just wanted to go back before we go into our next thing, which I think is there an ad rate, but I just want to say congrats to you again on the new job. I hope you’re enjoying things and I know it’s overwhelming at first, but I’m so excited for you. [00:29:42] And I think that this is going to be okay. Really, really good [00:29:45] Brett: [00:29:45] Thank you very much. Um, okay, so wait, wait, this isn’t I had the ad read edited. Oh no, [00:29:59][00:30:00] Christina: [00:29:59] on the other machine. [00:30:00] Brett: [00:30:00] it is. All right. Fuck it. I’m going to work. We’ll do it live. Wouldn’t it be great. If there were a pocket size guide that helped you sleep focus act, or maybe just be better there is. And if you have 10 minutes, Headspace can change your life. 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Um, what has been your take as cause you’ve been using Ruby forever for rails forever. [00:33:20]Brett: [00:33:20] Well, I, I never got into rails. I mean, I can use rails, but Ruby. Yes. But, but rails and base camp, no. [00:33:29] Christina: [00:33:29] okay. But, but like, you’ve been somebody who, I mean, like you’ve like watched, like, I mean, you’ve been reading 37 signals and following them for forever, right? Like w. Right. Like that’s accurate. Yeah, same. Um, I’ve always been a fan, uh, this whole, like last week and a half has been kind of a, what meant hell, like how to destroy a company in, uh, in 10 days. [00:33:59] Right? [00:34:00] Like, [00:34:00] Brett: [00:34:00] So give, give a brief synopsis of the news around base camp. [00:34:06] Christina: [00:34:06] all right. So base camp is a company that makes base camp, which is project management software that, uh, people apparently use no one who I actually know. Yeah, exactly. [00:34:16] Brett: [00:34:16] or more. [00:34:17] Christina: [00:34:17] It’s been around for yeah. Like, like, like 18 years or whatever. And it used to be a really big deal, like in the web 2.0 era, but it’s not really anymore to be I’m, that’s not shade. [00:34:28] That’s being honest. Uh, people use other things. Um, some will really like it and I’m not like discounting that. I’m just saying, if you look at the services that people use now, it is not one of them. Uh, but they also make the Hey email service and, um, uh, David Heinemeier Hansson and Jason freed are the founders and they posted on their blog before some employees found out I should add, which is kind of a shitty thing. [00:34:53] Um, last week that there was going to be no more political discussion. At work and, [00:35:00] um, that seemed kind of weird. Oh. And they were also cutting to use their term paternalistic benefits, which basically meant like wellness benefits and, and some other things which kind of a mouse would pay decrease. If you really think about it, they’re like, Oh, well, we’ll give you the cash sum for this year, but they didn’t say anything about next year. [00:35:19] And given the changes that have since happened, I kind of feel like those, that money is probably not going to be guaranteed for next year either. Um, and political discussion. Was weird in this case, the saying you can’t have any conversations about it because, Oh, and they’re also dissolving all committees, including the newly formed, um, uh, diversity equity and inclusion committee that like more than a third of the company at joined, um, and them saying that they weren’t going to be doing politics was kind of weird because they are famous for being very outspoken on their blogs in Congress, [00:36:00] uh, and, uh, on podcasts and other things about. [00:36:04] A, the way that like, they believe that work should be done and the business should be run, you know, they like hold themselves up. So it’s kind of like the science of like, we know the correct way of like running a business and, and, and, you know, doing things the best way. But also they’ve been like very outspoken against, um, uh, policies in the app store and what, what Apple is doing in the Apple versus Epic trial testifying in front of Congress about, you know, against, you know, big tech and things like that, which I’m sorry, I think, uh, are inherently political acts when you testify in front of Congress. [00:36:37] So it seemed a little weird that that would happen and they later then put a blog post out clarifying. Oh no, we can still talk about politics in our own spaces, even though the, their blogs are defacto company blogs and in front of Congress because that’s related to our work, but no one else can have any conversation about it. [00:36:57]Then reporting came out and it came [00:37:00] out like, we were like, well, what happened? Like what what’s, what’s the big deal here? And it turned out that there was a list that was created more than a decade ago, um, called best names ever, which was, you know, kind of a place to collect the funniest sounding names of customers, which is not a great look. [00:37:18] But I mean, I’ve worked at places where, you know, you make fun of stuff that comes in. Probably wouldn’t keep it. Probably wouldn’t keep it in list form. [00:37:27] Brett: [00:37:27] Like even if it doesn’t start out racist, it’s going to be [00:37:30] Christina: [00:37:30] Oh 100 for cent. It’s also one of those things where like, even if it’s like your intentions are good or whatever, and, or, you know, are not good, but are like, I guess benign don’t don’t create the list. [00:37:44] I don’t know. It just seems to me like, that’s just like an obvious thing. Yes. Like, I’m sorry. I mean, and I say, this is someone who, you know, worked at a company whose entire campfire, Oh, campfire is also a product they used to make and then they killed and let Slack basically exist. Slack wouldn’t exist if [00:38:00] campfire is still been a thing, but that’s a whole other degression. [00:38:03] Um, it’s like I worked at, you know, Gawker media whose campfire and Slack histories were admitted into evidence in a court case. They did not that play did not insignificant role in the jury, the idiot jury in Tampa, siting with whole Cogan. Um, And bankrupting the company, uh, because stuff that people write in the company chats when taken devoid of any context, uh, and even with proper context can be horrifying when you see how people are talking amongst friends and coworkers and stuff, you know, especially if you’re, uh, journalism is a little bit different. [00:38:40] Cause you tend to be really McCobb and really edgy. But even in normal work times, you know, there’s stuff that people say isn’t going to be the best if you look at it from the outside. Right. So I don’t know. My feeling is reduced the paper trail of like the racist, like lists making fun of people’s names as much as possible. [00:38:58] So people brought up this [00:39:00] list and we’re like, Hey, this isn’t a good thing. We should get rid of it. And then there was debate about whether or not the list was racist, I guess. And DHH went through the campfire logs and found that somebody who was arguing against the list now, who was like, this is not okay. [00:39:18] Had apparently contributed to it like a decade ago, which you know what people are allowed to change and grow and evolve. So he finds this and like pulls it up as a receipt. Will you you’ve commented on this before as kind of an aha. Gotcha. And then set some other things. And then he got reported to HR. [00:39:36] HR did nothing because he’s the founder of the company. So what are you going to do here? Awesome. None of the employees have shares in the company, so like they have no power. Um, and then it was like, after that investigation that they were like, you know what, though? One can talk about politics at work. [00:39:51] All right. That was last week. Then at the end of last week, there was an all hands meeting that was very contentious. And after the [00:40:00] meeting, a third of the staff quit like 20 plus people left the company like mass Exodus, including people who’ve been there a really long time. Like in one of like the, the, the senior, like, like biggest like rails contributors and, and, uh, people like maintain a lot of their libraries. [00:40:18] And then the subsequent recording reporting came out and said, well, the reason that the XIS happened was that a guy who works there who was like been there for 18 years, who ran strategy and. One of the most senior employees got into a fight with a black employee about whether or not white supremacy existed, uh, or, and, um, and claimed that it didn’t exist at base camp and that no one that he associated with it worked and that it was actually racist to suggest that it did exist. [00:40:44] And, uh, yeah, [00:40:47] Brett: [00:40:47] Carlson works there. Wow. [00:40:49] Christina: [00:40:49] basically 100%. I mean, and look. You can, I don’t think this disqualifies anybody from working anywhere. I want to be really clear on that. And I, I, I’m not opposed to people having political opinions [00:41:00] that are completely opposite mind at all. Like, I think that that’s how the world needs to work. [00:41:05] Um, we need push and pull, but this guy has, you know, given money to, to Trump, which fine. Um, but apparently, and they deleted, Oh, this is the best part. This company that’s really committed to transparency a week before they announced all the changes happening to the company. That of course were announced on a blog before the employees found out they deleted like 20 years worth of campfire messages. [00:41:27] Like they deleted the entire. Shot history of everything that had ever happened. Um, so I guess like after David was able to like pull receipts to call out someone who works for him with his position of power and authority, uh, and, and was, you know, complained about for that, they’re like, okay, well, I guess to risk any of this, some patient will just delete years and years worth of, of back conversations. [00:41:52] So no one can find anything. Um, which, you know, not that, that like institutional knowledge is stored there too, right? Like, so [00:42:00] people knowing how to onboard and how to, how to. You know, get access to certain things are probably also gone. But anyway, um, but apparently this guy before this call had a history of actually being more political than a lot of other employees and, and like sharing links from Breitbart and, and, and pushing his agenda. [00:42:20] Um, anyway, he was, he was, he went on his rant. He was thanked by, I don’t think thanked in this, in this sense that maybe some of the employees took it. I don’t think that the Jason freed was like, thank you for speaking up. I think he was just like, all right, thanks for, like you said your piece. Thank you. [00:42:36] We’ll move on to the next person regardless. There was, you know, acrimony there. He was suspended, then he resigned, but on the call, They were asked unequivocally to denounce white supremacy and they didn’t do it. Jason freed couldn’t do it. He finally managed to be able to say it to Casey Newton. Several days later when Casey Newton reached out to him when he [00:43:00] was writing about the story, but they admitted these people who again have written management books about how awesome they are at management and how great they are at running companies and how you should always do things their way. [00:43:09] And if you take venture capital, if you do anything, that is not what they did. Uh, also they took money from Jeff Bezos. So they’re complete hypocrites. Um, then, then you are wrong. Um, didn’t know how to handle this employee implosion and didn’t know how to handle this very acrimonious situation. And I’m not saying that it would be an easy thing to handle when you have like your small companies sort of imploding that in all hands. [00:43:33] I’m not saying that would be an easy management thing at all. I don’t know if I could handle it, but I also, haven’t written five management books talking about what a great manager I am. So now a third of the company has gone, um, They, uh, it’s a mess. It’s a complete cluster. Fuck. So I’m, I’m curious about your take kind of watching this cause I’ve, I’ve gone from, Oh, also DHH who I’ve met number of times has blocked me on Twitter for saying stop dude, which is [00:44:00] personally hilarious to me. [00:44:01] Um, but, uh, I, I, I’ve watched with kind of Mr. Horror and then like, almost like bizarre, like not enjoyment. Cause I feel bad for the people who work there, but it’s like been, McAliley entertaining to see something implode. So spectacularly completely from their own doing. [00:44:23]Brett: [00:44:23] My only reaction. I don’t have any, uh, emotional investment in, in base camp. I, I get some entertainment. Uh, some disappointment. Sure. But yeah, I mean, really it’s just, uh, kind of a Holy shit moment, like watching everything implode Xplode however you want to look at it. It’s it’s, uh, it’s a lot. I, uh, I don’t have any real strong feelings though. [00:44:54]Christina: [00:44:54] Yeah. Yeah, no, I think that that’s probably similar to where I am. I just, I, I [00:45:00] initially I wanted to talk about it cause DHH blocked me on Twitter, which was just the most like thin skinned, dumb ass thing you can imagine. And I hadn’t even, I mean, granted, but he blocked anybody at sea and responded to him because he was Twitter. [00:45:11] She was trying to tweet through it. This was, this is as big as mistake never, ever, ever tried to blog or tweet through like the shitstorm. Like if you become the, uh, there’s this, this great tweet happened like a year ago, which is like every day, someone on Twitter becomes the villain of the day and your goal in life is to not become that person. [00:45:30] And that is absolutely true. There is one person everyday who everybody piles on and. You know, um, I haven’t ever been the, the villain of the day, but I’ve been the victim of people piling on me. Uh, ironically, a lot of times people now in the context, bring it up with like people on the left, like piling on. [00:45:47] I’ve been pile on by the right, like I’ve, I’ve had, you know, like, uh, Glenn back and people like that, like try and get me fired. Um, And, uh, it’s not fun. Um, I I’ve had people send me [00:46:00] like Holocaust imagery and shit to my Instagram and, uh, you know, it it’s, it’s, it’s not, it’s not a fun time. Um, and I don’t wish like some of the pylon that they’re getting, I don’t think it’s deserved. [00:46:12] You don’t want to be that villain of the day person. But if that happens to you, the absolute worst thing you can do is to try to tweet through it and try to like respond to people and defended and whatnot. Like that is the [00:46:24] Brett: [00:46:24] Just go [00:46:25] Christina: [00:46:25] do. Exactly. And like, just wait it out. Like, and, and, and I don’t even think you need to deactivate your account because I think sometimes that makes it worse. [00:46:34] Just shut up because it will pass. And that’s all I was trying to say to him. I was just like, dude, stop, like, stop. Like you’re, you’re making this worst. And, uh, apparently that offended him very much. He blocked me. I wish I was like, Okay. Well, I wasn’t really speaking out that much except to say that I thought that there were certain ironies in this, but now fuck it. [00:46:58] You can’t see my tweets anyway. So, [00:47:00] um, I, again, it’s like watching a car wreck. I don’t know. [00:47:05] Brett: [00:47:05] And now we [00:47:06] Christina: [00:47:06] I’ve also [00:47:06] Brett: [00:47:06] into our avoidance of talking about the myth of cancel culture. [00:47:11]Christina: [00:47:11] 100%, 100%. Uh, but, but now, now speaking of car racks, let’s talk about setting up your in one Mac for work. [00:47:18] Brett: [00:47:18] Okay. The situation I had a, an Intel MacBook pro that was working great. I loved it. But then I got this $500 certificate from Apple and I had a little extra cash. Thanks to paying off my credit cards. Thanks. Last week, sponsor and. Uh, and a new job. And, uh, so I decided to get, uh, a pimped out new Mac mini and, uh, I also got, uh, a laptop from, so right now at my desk, I have two laptops and a mini and a hub that has my display and my keyboard and everything that I’m kind of using as a [00:48:00] manual KVM, or I just like. [00:48:02] Pull the USB-C cable out of one and stick it in the other, depending on which one I want to use and then use a screen, uh, screens to like VNC between three different computers. And then I had to write a bunch that put a small image in the lower left-hand corner of the display to remind me which computer I was on at the time, because my goal has been set them to set them all up very similarly with like the same dock layout and the same app configuration and everything. [00:48:32] Anyway, uh, the thing that like, ideally I get the Mac mini set up as my. Only personal machine. And I get to handle my Mac book pro down to L and the usual chain of hand-me-down computers. And, uh, the problem I’m running into is the, the chip. Uh, you can’t the only version of Ruby that will [00:49:00] install on an Apple Silicon machine is Ruby 3.0 0.1, which. [00:49:08] You cannot install on an Intel machine. You can only install 3.0 0.0. So I have that tiny little conflict right there, but things like my Jekyll blog that I’ve been using for like eight years now, um, like I, that requires a Ruby 2.6 0.5 and I cannot find like you can. Okay. So the other problem is node. [00:49:37] The only version of node you can install is 16. And I need, uh, both 10 and 11 to run some versions of SAS that I require. And. You can fix that by launching I term, like you open up in, in, uh, finder, you open up info and you check, run with Rosetta and [00:50:00] it’ll load it as a Rosetta app and identify its architecture. [00:50:05] As I three 86, you can also use, uh, the arch command to like it. I don’t know if you would say arc or arch, but it’s arc H R arch. Uh, and you can tell it to register a command as an Intel. Uh, or identify itself as Intel, so that something like an NPM install, we’ll assume your architecture is Intel. So you can get node 10 and 11 installed using those tricks, but it doesn’t work for Ruby. [00:50:37] And it’s been like, everything else is pretty much working fine. All of my apps are running. I got sound source, uh, which has sound source in Lubeck, have a whole special install procedure that involves recovery mode and everything, but you can do it and it all works. It’s been. It’s been two weeks now of [00:51:00] struggling to get my machine to a point where I can let go of my MacBook pro and I shouldn’t be this hard. [00:51:09] I can appreciate, there will be some challenges. I remember going from Motorola to Intel and there were like a two year transition period, at least, but this is, it’s been rough. [00:51:23]Christina: [00:51:23] Yeah, no, I mean, that seems super rough and, and, uh, that’s frustrating, I think on, on like the, the versions of Ruby and the node thing, I would have hoped at this point, like that maybe Homebrew or something would have fixed that, but. [00:51:37] Brett: [00:51:37] Two, two home brews credit. When I first got the DTK mini and tried to brew install, almost nothing worked. And they immediately started adding arm, uh, binaries for everything. Uh, there was maybe like, I, we talked about brew file, right? Like brew bundle, like dump. Um, I, [00:52:00] Oh man. So I tried, I use the combination of Mac up and, and, uh, brew file to just try to automate and.bot and try to automatically. [00:52:10] Make this computer work, uh, the way my old one did only two packages out of about a hundred, uh, failed to install with brew. So they’ve done a great job. All, all of the maintainers and contributors have done a great job of updating, but here’s one thing I learned. If you, if you have things that are sync both with like a brew file and with McAfee and with your own kind of Homebrew SIM linking through Dropbox, they will break each other. [00:52:44]And then things, everything on the many installs to slash ops slash Homebrew instead of slash user been local. And so then all of my scripts that referred to user [00:53:00] Ben local, which I had always assumed was just always going to be the way things were now are broken. And I had, I ended up SIM linking opt Homebrew to user Ben local, which is probably going to turn out to be a really bad idea, but it’s little things, I guess it’s mostly terminal stuff that I’m having, having trouble with. [00:53:18] Christina: [00:53:18] Yeah, I know. Which makes sense. This has been one of the reasons why I’ve been like hesitant to get a R Mac, like, are all the reasons that you’re describing and I’m going to be getting a pink iMac, um, and a couple of weeks. And, and this has been like one of like the, my, like the reasons that I, I’m probably gonna, I’m going to have to use both. [00:53:40] I’m going to have to continue to use my, um, Intel for sure. And that the Intel is more powerful. I want to be clear on that too. Like it’s a lot more powerful than what the pink one, we’ll be getting that for the app that I can for podcasting. But, um, uh, and because my dose just like remarkably become worth. A lot of money. Um, [00:54:00] but, um, yeah, I, uh, I had like that kind of same kind of, I guess, uh, like fear with some of this stuff, because I was like, and I don’t, my stuff isn’t as complicated as yours is, but there are certain libraries and certain things that I need to use certain versions of. And that has been like my, my concern to be totally honest with this. [00:54:20]Brett: [00:54:20] Thing that with apps, you can wait it out, you know, maybe give it a year and they’ll catch up. But things like installing, uh, archival versions of. Like Ruby or node, that’s never going to be fixed. Like there’s no reason, like all of the development is going to go into the head and the edge versions of the, of the libraries and no one is going to fix hold versions. [00:54:50] So basically my only option and your only option would be to update all of the things that require older libraries on your [00:55:00] own. So I’m going to, we’ll be doing a whole lot of a Jekyll programming so that I can use the latest version of Jekyll. Uh, but the only reason I can’t is because I’ve written, uh, 25, some custom plugins that don’t work with the latest version of Jekyll. [00:55:19] If I could revamp all of those plugins, uh, I could just, I could just update and I’d have my blog on my computer again, instead of having to SSH into my 2012 Mac mini that runs in the corner. [00:55:32]Christina: [00:55:32] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was going to say your best bet might be honestly, I would like look at it and maybe Oracle will even be able to, I don’t know if you get like free credits or whatever, like I get free Azure credits and whatnot, but like, it might be worthwhile to have like a, a VPs someplace, um, where you could just have your scripts. [00:55:51] So you wouldn’t even have to SSH into your, into your, um, you know, 2012, um, Mac mini. Like you just have like a small little dev box and just, it would just be a small [00:56:00] one, you know, small VPs running that has your scripts and stuff on it. And then just set up like, you know, a remote extension that way. Like, it’s one of the reasons I like visuals. [00:56:08] I like visual studio code is the remote extension. I can like literally log into another machine and have like, even have containers running like that, but have it all natively like on my Mac. Um, and, uh, so that, that might be an option. [00:56:26] Brett: [00:56:26] the other problem I’m running to running into with setup of these three different machines is the Oracle machine has a bunch of like you are according to company policy only supposed to install apps that are available through their software management system. And I floated that rule almost immediately. [00:56:48] Uh, and I did, it would frown on what I’ve done with the machine. I have kept it secure. Uh, everything is encrypted. I use the VPN [00:57:00] except for half of the things I need to do for work. Are you can’t do with the VPN running. I can’t even use get with the VPN running, but I also can’t use, I can’t write it blocked all traffic, uh, right. [00:57:16] It’s it’s, it’s intense. And, uh, I can’t use like zoom without the VPN running, so I can’t simultaneously be on zoom and pull a, get repo from get hub. It’s not ideal. [00:57:33] Christina: [00:57:33] That’s not ideal. So how do, how do other people deal with that? Cause I can’t imagine that you’re the only person who needs to both be on zoom and use, get. [00:57:41]Brett: [00:57:41] So I have a question and the it Slack channel, uh, to asking about how, how, if there’s a way to like tunnel through the VPN or something. Uh, at one point on I installed the VPN on the mini. [00:58:00] And it gave me the option to turn off filtering and then it didn’t actually seem to do that. And next time I looked that option was gone. [00:58:09] So I have no idea what’s going on there. I, in order to install the VPN on my mini, I had to, you had to like, uh, trace the traffic. When I did the install on the Oracle machine, I had to trace the traffic, uh, cause you can’t install software when you’re not on the VPN and I didn’t have the VPN, so I couldn’t install the VPN software. [00:58:32] So I traced, I trace it. Traffic figured out where the package was coming from, curled it onto the Mac mini and then was able to install the VPN, but they make it really hard to install the VPN on non-Oracle machines. It all seems a little bit, uh, convoluted to me. That’s been, that’s been a whole trial in and of itself. [00:58:54] Christina: [00:58:54] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, um, our setup, God, thankfully is not that [00:59:00] intense. Although there are a lot, I’m not surprised that. Like your stuff is locked down. I’m, I’m surprised you can’t use get in zoom at the same time on that seems really intense, but we do have weird things about how our machines are provisioned. [00:59:13]Um, although it’s gotten better and they’ve, they’ve, especially, as people have been forced to work from home, they’ve had to get better about like, not requiring people to be logged into the VPN for everything. Some of the stuff can just be authenticated. Um, and in other ways, but like if people exactly, um, and, uh, you know, it helps when, when we own active directory. [00:59:35] Um, and, uh, like, but we do have an instance, like people who want to use a Linux as their main machine, the VPN doesn’t work on Linux. However, however people have figured it out way to get a VPN that will be compatible with like whatever the Cisco VPN things we use is. And then there’s a way where you can extract the file and [01:00:00] run other commands and it’s completely unsupported, but people have, and they have it, you know, um, um, in, in the, the team stuff. [01:00:06] And actually there’s even a documentation thing. And dev ops, like the describing the process of how you can get your VPN running on Linux. Um, that’s wholly unsupported, but people have been able to do so. I would, I would think that you are definitely not the only person at Oracle who running into this problem. [01:00:24] And, uh, I would look for like, wherever your mailing lists or other sorts of things are, which are, if it’s like Microsoft. And, and I can’t imagine it’s that the similar most companies are like, this they’re probably exist in five or six different places. There’s, there’s probably a Slack. There’s probably like an actual mailing list. [01:00:41] There might even be, you know, like, uh, uh, like. Some sort of, you know, website or in the intranet or whatever that people put stuff in. [01:00:50]Brett: [01:00:50] The internet is like 10 different internets. [01:00:53] Christina: [01:00:53] Oh God. [01:00:54] Brett: [01:00:54] something cool though. Uh, there’s an authenticator app from Oracle that gives you every, [01:01:00] you know, like a, a, to F a six digit number, every 30 seconds. It changes. You can set that up and use it as GitHub to FAA too. [01:01:09]Christina: [01:01:09] Awesome. So there [01:01:10] Brett: [01:01:10] on it. [01:01:11]Christina: [01:01:11] that’s awesome. Susie, that’s using the TFTP standard. I’m guessing? [01:01:16] Brett: [01:01:16] I don’t know. A T O T P means this is one of those acronyms. I’d be looking up in the background during this meeting. [01:01:21] Christina: [01:01:21] well, in CSEP I can’t think of what it stands for right now, but it basically Google started using it for a Google authenticator and so author uses it. Um, one password uses it. It’s [01:01:31] Brett: [01:01:31] Yeah, this [01:01:32] Christina: [01:01:32] thing, but like, if [01:01:33] Brett: [01:01:33] basically an author cologne. [01:01:35] Christina: [01:01:35] Yeah. So basically like if you scan a QR code, like when you’re setting up, you know, stuff like, so that’s TNTP, so that’s pretty awesome. Cause ours, our authenticator app, um, you can use with a lot of things, but it, it can’t, it can’t be a full, the clone. So like I still need to run author and my Microsoft one. [01:01:52] Um, the nice thing about the Microsoft one is that it does not have a prompt where I think author does this too. But like if I’m, [01:02:00] I am at a website and it needs to open a notification will come up on my phone, I tap the banner and it immediately opens up the, yeah, I don’t have to like leave the website and go into the app. Like it’ll immediately, a little banner comes up and says, this needs your authorization. Tap it, unlock it. And then I can copy it and then go back. So [01:02:24] Brett: [01:02:24] It would be, you know, how in, uh, iOS, whatever 12, I think it started. W if, uh, if, uh, uh, two OFA code shows up in messages, it’ll [01:02:35] Christina: [01:02:35] Yes, [01:02:35] Brett: [01:02:35] it’ll fill it in automatic. I wish they, I wish this could do that. It did take me a second to realize I could just tap the code to copy it instead of like trying to memorize it and switch back to the app. [01:02:46] Obviously that should have been apparent to me, but yeah, anyway. [01:02:52]Christina: [01:02:52] that’s nice that at least the two of a thing can be, you can like use one thing for everything, which is nice. Um, I have to use two to a Fe apps, [01:03:00] technically three, cause I also put for some things, I put it in one password. So it’ll, auto-fill um, we’re lucky in the sense that, and, and I didn’t realize this until after I’d been at Microsoft for a while and people who’d worked at other places. [01:03:12] Like told us what it was like, they are pretty open about how you can provision your own machines. Um, cause you can bring your own machine and they’re even open about how you can provision like work issued ones. Um, like technically my, my Mac is a work issued machine, but it’s provisioned as if it’s my own, but there are still, like you said, like there are limitations and there’s some stuff you can do, nothing like running get and, and you know, the VB at the same time, like none of that, although if you’re on the corporate network, there are certain applications you can’t run. [01:03:42] Like you can’t run a torrent client, it just won’t work. Um, which is understandable. Right? Like I get that. Um, but also there could be legitimate needs, needs to, you know, run a torrent client if you’re trying to download, um, like, uh, something that’s really difficult. So then what you have to do is you have to run a VPN on top of the [01:04:00] VPN, [01:04:00] Brett: [01:04:00] Yeah. Do you want to hear one more tribulation? [01:04:04] Christina: [01:04:04] I do. I absolutely do. [01:04:05] Brett: [01:04:05] obviously I’m signing in and out of the VPN all the time. Right? It doesn’t store your credentials. You have to enter the password every time. [01:04:14] Christina: [01:04:14] Oh, no. Oh no. [01:04:16] Brett: [01:04:16] popping up one [01:04:17] Christina: [01:04:17] Oh no. [01:04:18] Brett: [01:04:18] for Oracle VPN, uh, right, right. Arrow, copied, entered a copy, refocus the dialogue and paste the anyway. [01:04:28] So what I ended up [01:04:30] Christina: [01:04:30] going to see up to this aren’t you [01:04:31] Brett: [01:04:31] yeah, totally. I, uh, I ended up initially I put it on a key binding that I could just hit a sequence of keys and it filled in, but that’s that source the password in plain text, which I knew I [01:04:43] Christina: [01:04:43] absolutely. That that’s [01:04:44] Brett: [01:04:44] for. [01:04:45] Christina: [01:04:45] 100% and that’s just a bad practice in general. Even if you wouldn’t get in trouble for it, you don’t want to do that. [01:04:49] Brett: [01:04:49] Right. So what I’m doing is a keyboard Maestro macro that uses the command line security tool, uh, which can look up, [01:05:00] uh, passwords in your key chain, your encrypted key chain, and, uh, and, and dump them out in plain text. [01:05:07] So basically I’m storing the password in key chain and being able to access it with a hot key, uh, which, which puts it behind my, at least behind my, uh, system login. So getting there almost, almost have this, uh, two, uh, why can’t it just store your credentials? [01:05:28]Christina: [01:05:28] I mean, I agree that that seems like the dumbest thing in the world. I put in a link in the show notes for you to check out mostly, but, uh, there is a command line, um, uh, one password, uh, [01:05:41] Brett: [01:05:41] there is, but it requires constant logging in. [01:05:45] Christina: [01:05:45] Ah, okay, well then nevermind. Um, [01:05:48] Brett: [01:05:48] the idea of it, but it’s, it’s not like you can’t use it in scripting. It doesn’t save you any, any time. [01:05:55] Christina: [01:05:55] Oh, okay. Well then nevermind. Uh, cause that was my first thought. So, so you’ve, you’ve already done the best thing [01:06:00] because, um, you, you can, you can script it obviously with key chain. We’ll let you do that so bad, but at least you did that. Um, no, but I don’t understand why it doesn’t like, but like my, our, our VPN I’m pulling it up right now to like look at it. [01:06:13] Yeah. Like it saves my credentials. Um, and, and I don’t, I’m very, I’m almost never on the VPN. There are a few intranet sites that require it. So ours is a global protect, which I think is Cisco. Uh, but, um, I, I don’t, yeah, like mine is like, my credentials are, are saved. Um, and, um, so I don’t have to deal with that, but they’ve slowly over the, again, it was all a pandemic. [01:06:38] The, everybody having to work remotely. There are a few intranet sites that require you to be on the VPN to use, but they’ve slowly but surely gotten rid of that. And then just, uh, bumped up the, you know, um, uh, single sign on and, and active directory thing that said your machine does need to be in tuned, [01:07:00] which is, which is our, um, MDM or, or, you know, um, uh, you know, multi-device manager, uh, tool. [01:07:06] And so if you’re trying to, for instance, even access a web mail on a machine that is not in tuned, you’re going to be Sol in most cases. So like, if you want to open up a document or access the intranet or do other stuff, you don’t have to be on the VPN, but you do have to have like the device manager client on your machine. [01:07:29] Um, and if, and if you don’t have that, then you’re screwed. So some people really dislike that because they don’t want their machine. In tuned by the company. And then they were like, okay, well, you can’t access your work stuff. Right? Like, it’s, it’s a trade off. So like my personal machines are in tuned, but I, I do trust that when they tell me that they can only access, you know, certain things and they can’t read any of my other stuff or seeing my other things that I trust that’s accurate. [01:07:54] Um, I haven’t run like a packet, you know, sniff thing on there, but I have a feeling [01:08:00] that, that if they were not doing that, that would be cause for concern. Um, but yeah, it it’s, it’s, it’s the corporate song, like, you know, song and dance stuff is always fun. Um, my favorite was when I was at, so when Univision bought Gizmodo. [01:08:17]They tried to enforce a corporate policy on us. And we all had Gawker laptops who Gawker didn’t care. There was literally, no, there was nothing. Right. I don’t even think the, we, there was like, there was no provisioning whatsoever at all. And um, they wanted us all to move to Univision laptops, and they were like, Oh, we’ll give you a brand new laptop. [01:08:36] It’ll just be better than your MacBook air or whatever. And I’m like, I don’t really want to be on your system. And then they told us, they’re like, okay. But the only thing is you can only download apps that are in the Mac app store. And if you need to do something like even change the time, like, cause you need an admin password, you’d have to call. [01:08:54] And we on hold with the Univision massive corporation, um, tech support [01:09:00] and get permission to get an override so that you could change the clock. And, um, so I, they were really trying to force me into this and, you know, as a reporter for a lot of people, like you’re thinking, okay, well, you don’t need to install these apps. [01:09:14] You don’t need to do this and that. And I’m like, no, I test stuff all the time. I run tools. I build things like. I, I get dirty with stuff like, even for testing latest version of Android, I need to run ADB and I need to like, have like a tool connected and I need to like use, I use Homebrew all the time. [01:09:32] Like there’s stuff that I’m going to need. And so just as a test, and this was like, when it, when an Android thing was, was going on, like I was using one of those laptops and I waited on hold for like two and a half hours. To get through, to get permission, to somehow try to convince them to let me install it. [01:09:47] And I timed it. And while this was happening, I refuse to work because I was like, this is going to be this, this was me also showing my ass a little bit. And I was like, okay, so I will do this, but just so you [01:10:00] know, this took me over three hours to get this one thing done, and I’m going to have to do this every single time. [01:10:06] I need to install any sort of weird app or do anything that is slightly, you know, off, off spec. And that happens roughly, you know, at least four times a week. Um, maybe, you know, more, sometimes it might even be multiple times a day. So if you want to take out that loss of productivity, that’s fine. Um, needless to say, I was given an exemption immediately and totally did not have to use a company laptop. [01:10:34]Brett: [01:10:34] Speaking of Oh, shit moments that was like, it was a segue like two minutes ago. But, uh, but then, then you kept talking, um, [01:10:44] Christina: [01:10:44] kept talking. Cause I’m sorry. That’s what I do. [01:10:47] Brett: [01:10:47] Sunday is mother’s day and I haven’t gotten anything. My mom will be getting some kind of gift card, probably Amazon. Uh, but for anyone getting this today who actually has time to do something about it, don’t forget some [01:11:00] days mother’s day. And. [01:11:01] Christina: [01:11:01] Yes. Sunday is mother’s day. Love your moms. I got my mom. Well, the, the, the, the, the mother figures in your lives, like whatever. Um, I, uh, I got my mom, a Taylor Swift mug. No, but she was really touch. So Taylor Swift has a song called the best day that she read about her mom. And, um, it’s really sweet and it always makes me cry and it was rerecorded on fearless cause it came out on fearless. [01:11:26] And because of course she just released fearless. She has all this merge that was associated with that for mother’s day, including mother’s day cards that had some of the lyrics on it that were sold out. By the time I got the, the email, which was upsetting, but I got a mug that said I had the best day with you today, which is like a lyric from the song. [01:11:43] And I sent it to my mom and I was hoping to be there by mother’s day. And it arrived last week. And my mom just like sent me a text saying the mug and cause she didn’t know who it was from because it just was addressed to her. And I did a bad job with that. And I just assumed that she would know that if it’s a Taylor Swift, that it was [01:12:00] me. [01:12:00] Apparently, she then texted a bunch of friends and was like, she’d spend time with them. And she was like, did you send this to me? And they’re like, we’ve no idea what you’re talking about. Then she Googled the lyrics, found the song, listen to it, cried and, um, and was, was, was like very, very touched. So I did manage to work Taylor Swift [01:12:18] Brett: [01:12:18] I was going to say we had, we had, we had, uh, some health stuff. We had some tech stuff. We even had some politics and boom, we hit Taylor Swift in overtime. [01:12:29] Christina: [01:12:29] We did an overtime now, but yeah, but shout out to your moms, the moms out there, um, I’m, I’m, I’m excited. I’m going to be here until the 15th. So next week we’ll be recording from Atlanta on the floor as well. Um, and, uh, I am excited to be able to spend my sister’s first mother’s day with her, which is, which is neat. [01:12:49] Um, but yeah, uh, one more, I know we’re already over time, but one more quick thing. This is hilarious to me because I, I knew nothing about baby stuff. I know nothing about baby tech. And so [01:13:00] now I’m tired. I’m getting inundated into that world a little bit. And um, I want him to listen to cool music and I want him to have stuff. [01:13:07] And so I was like going to buy a little Bluetooth speaker that could attach to the crib. And then I was like, but I don’t want that because I don’t want it to always have to be paired to a phone, to be able to play from Spotify or Apple music or whatever. And then I was like, well, maybe I should just get a home pod many. [01:13:21] And that would work. But home pod mini still doesn’t work with Spotify. And my sister has Apple music, but me, but she might want to change. And like, I don’t know, I love the Apple ecosystem, but I always feel weird about forcing that on like family members. So Amazon makes an echo dot for kids, which is both horrifying, but amazing to me. [01:13:41] So it’s an, it’s like the normal echo dot, but it looks like this one, one looks like a Panda and one looks like a tiger. I got the one that looks like a Panda and it apparently has like some kid controls who knows if the privacy things are any different. That is a Kelly problem to deal with that it’s not a Christina problem to deal with. [01:13:57] But, um, I ordered one of those from [01:14:00] Amazon. And, uh, today I learned is one of those things. It was like, there was a whole lot of like baby tech shit, which I’ve been, I guess, like tangentially aware of, but I’ve never had to care directly before. Like it’s crazy. Yeah. I hope so. I hope so. Um, I’ve been buying lots of, um, shoes and clothes for him already. [01:14:24] Brett: [01:14:24] Yeah, I just get to be weird. Uncle Brett. I’m the only, the only non-Christian in the family and the, I think they’re warned not to get too close to me, but [01:14:35] Christina: [01:14:35] Yeah, no, it’s going to be awkward for Christian when he learns that his namesake Christina is in fact not religious, but again, that’s, that’s that’s that’s that’s that’s a future Christina problem to deal with. Um, [01:14:47]Brett: [01:14:47] I feel like, I feel like it’s time. Like we, we, we didn’t even finish our list of topic. I told you we were going to fill the hour. We overfilled the [01:14:58] Christina: [01:14:58] the hour. [01:14:59] Brett: [01:14:59] We [01:15:00] over [01:15:00] Christina: [01:15:00] We didn’t have an episode last week. We over Taylor over Taylor, that’s the best show in the, that, that, that almost could not, I almost want to say that episode title, but like that’s such a, that’s such a good, that’s so good. [01:15:15] Brett: [01:15:15] Yeah, we’re, we’re gonna save that for an episode where we truly talk too much about Taylor Swift. [01:15:21] Christina: [01:15:21] Absolutely. Maybe when she really, when she releases 1989 and that’s like your jam that that’ll be the over tailored episode. [01:15:28] Brett: [01:15:28] All right. Well, Christina gets some sleep. [01:15:31] Christina: [01:15:31] Get some sleep, read and congrats again on the new job. So happy for [01:15:34] Brett: [01:15:34] Hey, thanks.

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Transcript Christina Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] Hey Christina, it’s your turn to do the intro. [00:00:02]Christina: [00:00:02] Hey guys. So, you’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina. He’s Brett, how are you doing Brett? [00:00:09]Brett: [00:00:09] You kind of screwed it up. I mean, it all got there, but I sense the hesitancy, [00:00:14]Christina: [00:00:14] Yeah, I w I messed it up this [00:00:17] Brett: [00:00:17] you were second guessing yourself as it was coming out of your mouth. You know why? [00:00:22] Christina: [00:00:22] Why? [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] Because you just got your second vaccine. [00:00:25]Christina: [00:00:25] That’s exactly right. I did. I’m now full of the 5g and got my second dose of the vaccine, had a little fever some joint pains, arm pain some feeling like everything was sucked out of me, but I’m on the up and up now. So not a hundred percent, but I’m feeling a lot better. And honestly, Would take this times 10, right? [00:00:47] Like I’ve never, like I said before, like I’ve never been happier to feel kind of crappy for a day or so, like bring it on. [00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] Yeah, I just got my second Pfizer shot on Wednesday. And. [00:01:00] I had taken like Thursday off. I figured like the first shot I was pretty sick for the day after was not really up for doing anything. So I took a Thursday off with the assumption that I was going to feel like crap. And I actually felt pretty much fine. [00:01:15] Like my arm hurt like crazy, but uh, in a low grade headache all day, but my energy didn’t like, I was fine. And then today I got some of the other symptoms, including having to spend some extra time in the bathroom. We’ll just call it that. Yes. That seems like a a polite way to put it. Yes. But that’s settling down now, too. [00:01:39] So all in all, like I, the second shot was actually easier for me than the first one for anyone who’s, got that vaccine hesitancy because the second one sounds scary. [00:01:51] Christina: [00:01:51] It totally sounds scary, but I’ve been, I would try to tell people it’s like a everybody’s responses seem to be different there’s people who are older or who [00:02:00] have immune systems that might not be as great, apparently have less side effects, which great. B, because this is what they claim anyway, that like, what you’re getting is like your immune system fighting stuff. [00:02:09] But even if like you’re hesitant, you’re kind of worried. It’s not the end of the world. It’s not like the worst thing you’ve ever had is just like, Oh yeah, this is more than what you would get from a flu shot. Which makes sense. Because as we’ve been trying to tell people for the last year, plus this is not the flu. [00:02:27] Brett: [00:02:28] And there’s a time limit on these side effects. Like for the vast majority of people, it’s max 48 hours. [00:02:35] Christina: [00:02:35] Exactly. That’s the thing, right? So if you can schedule it, like towards the end of the week, I would say to do that if you’re really worried, but I mean, I think even like the most unhelpful employers are all like, at least in the United States and the rest of the world tends to have better labor practices than we do. [00:02:56] So, we’re talking about the U S here. I think that’s probably where most of our audience is [00:03:00] anyway, but I think even like the most like horror, like bad employers are like, yeah, we’ll understand if, you’re feeling kind of, shitty, for 48 hours max, after your vaccine dose, like it’s a small amount of pain for a huge amount of upside and I’m. [00:03:18] What strikes me and I don’t, I’ve been thinking about this a lot. We haven’t talked about this, that much on our podcast and we don’t talk about science and I’m not a science person, but I’m so just still stunned in Ford by what they have been able to do with the vaccines in such a short period of time. [00:03:35] Like it gets, it’s nothing short of remarkable. I was I was recording a podcast earlier this week for Microsoft and Microsoft CTO. Kevin Scott was interviewing a molecular chemist at university of Washington and they were talking about some of this stuff and the doctor, I can’t think of his last name right now. [00:03:52] He was saying that the technology that we have. 10 or 15 years ago, we wouldn’t have been able to do what we’re doing now. [00:04:00] And just thinking about how impressive it is, especially like all of that work is impressive. I’m not wanting to take away from one type of vaccine over another, but especially with the MRN vaccines like that from a technological standpoint is so fascinating and is so incredible that they’ve been able to do this in such a short period of time. [00:04:20] Brett: [00:04:20] As a side note though, and this isn’t to belittle that this is in support of that the, especially the MRN. Vaccine, they didn’t start developing this when COVID started like these vaccines of this type, the idea of a global influenza pandemic has been predicted for some time. And companies were kind of banking like research R and D was banking on the fact that this was bound to happen. [00:04:49] So like, it wasn’t that they were starting from scratch and suddenly surprised by the idea of COVID. [00:04:56] Christina: [00:04:56] no, absolutely. But the interesting thing is because what they can kind of do [00:05:00] now is they can program, the types of proteins and molecules and, like, I guess like, RNA kind of like outline things of what they need. Like, that’s the impressive thing is they’re basically able to like, program what they need, to, to combat these things. [00:05:14] Whereas in the past how the scientist was explaining it is that historically stuff has been like, you look at, it’s like, you look at nature and you’re like, okay, how does this occur in nature? And what can we take that is already naturally occurring? It wasn’t intentional. So like, if you wanted to solve a problem, like you would look to nature and you’d find something there and then you figure like how do we modify it? [00:05:36] So you look into nature and you’d be like, okay, what naturally exists that could counteract this disease or whatever, but now they can actually design these things within tent. And as you said, they’ve been working on this technology for years and they ready for this, so they’re able to do it, but it’s this culmination of all the scientific and technological research that has, sped up to the point that even with that, [00:06:00] headstart, it’s still nothing short of incredible to me that we are from like a scientific and tech technology, like standpoint at that place where they can do these things and they can be effective. [00:06:11] Like it’s it’s truly Saifai right. Like in a good way. [00:06:16] Brett: [00:06:16] spilling over into other areas of research too. Like the strides we made working on the COVID vaccine have had implications and everything from Alzheimer’s to cancer research as well. [00:06:27] Christina: [00:06:27] Yeah. Without a doubt. And I think that it’s kind of invigorated that community a little bit. One of the other things that the the professor and scientist said was that the actual thing, and I think this is true and fair, but this actually goes to the cancer and Alzheimer’s step two is that evaluating safety takes longer than the design. [00:06:45] And so a lot with a lot of these things. And certainly we saw this with the vaccines and that’s why they did testing. And they certainly are trying to be cautious with it, but we’ve been seeing like what the real bottlenecks have been. And I would argue this is accurate. Like, [00:07:00] I don’t think this is a bad thing. [00:07:01] I think that this is the right bottleneck, but the real bottleneck hasn’t been, how long does it take to design this it’s been okay. How do we ensure that this is safe and. But still, when you think about that, like historically with vaccines and with other sorts of scientific breakthroughs, the amount of time to design that system would be many times longer than the time that you would need to evaluate it, is this safe or not? [00:07:28] Brett: [00:07:28] Yeah. [00:07:29] Christina: [00:07:29] So it’s interesting that it switched and I love it. Like it’s really great. And I hope that we see more of these breakthroughs in areas like Alzheimer’s and cancer and the rare diseases that we haven’t ever maybe been able to spend a lot of money and time focusing on because it, they affect such a small portion of people and you can only do so much, but it’s like, okay, if you, again, if you’re able to design these things with intent and you’re able to kind of, map these things to solve specific problems that could really change things for a whole lot of people. [00:07:58]Brett: [00:07:58] We’ll get to star Trek [00:08:00] level medical science at some point. Did you know that there, like there is a non-trivial amount of physics research that goes into warp drives? Like, I mean, they’re currently in an impossibility and we have, Einstein’s kind of speed limit of the speed of light for objects of mass. [00:08:21] But like the idea at first floated in the thirties of being able to warp space, time to move faster than the speed of light became kind of the premise for star Trek and all like space travel since then. So like all of these physicists have been working there. They’re peer reviewed, published papers on this dating back 50 years and they’ve been working to figure out like, how can we make warp drive real? [00:08:50]And that’s [00:08:51] Christina: [00:08:51] Which I love that I am Ad. It’s funny. You mentioned that because actually some of the other people that Kevin Scott has interviewed over the course of the couple of years, we’ve done our podcast. [00:09:00] Like he interviewed a science fiction, author and technologist. I can’t think of the guy’s name, but he’s relatively famous. [00:09:04] And it is interesting to see, and I love this because as nerds like this does appeal to us, but it is so interesting to see both the ways that CII has had a direct influence on people researching the real ways to make that happen. And then you also have the corollary, which is, the real things that are out there have been inspirations to Saifai like, it’s this really cool fulfilling prophecy, like, like self, like, like circular kind of, thing which is awesome. [00:09:34] But no, I love actually thinking about the fact that you have, like high-minded physicists who are having to write papers that are in some ways, not different, not that different from. The papers that I wrote in college when I was a film major, like, like analyzing star Trek, except they’re taken from like a very scientific standpoint versus, me, which was like looking at the structure and the other stuff, but at the same, but at the same [00:10:00] time, it was like about the same thing. [00:10:01] Right? Like you’re taking this fantasy, this medium and being like, okay, but how could we make that happen? And I mean, I think that’s brilliant. I love it. [00:10:09] Brett: [00:10:09] I’ve gotten back into reading William Gibson recently. [00:10:12] Christina: [00:10:12] Oh, I love William Gibson. [00:10:13] Brett: [00:10:13] Like, and like, Neuromancer, I can’t remember what year Neuromancer came out, but late eighties, early nineties and like 84. Yeah. Like he was prescient about all of this stuff. Like, I mean, this is this guy who coined the term cyberspace. Like he, he knew what was up, [00:10:33] Christina: [00:10:33] So he did. Yeah. Grant my [00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] to the matrix and all of that is in there. [00:10:37] It’s cool stuff. [00:10:39] Christina: [00:10:39] Yeah, I grant actually, when we first started dating bread, Durham answer to me, and that was the first time I’d ever gotten into pivotal. It is actually, and like, I’d read Philip K Dick, and I done some scifi stuff, but not a lot of it, to be honest. And I really wasn’t familiar with cyberpunk when we started dating, because I was relatively young and like I was into other types of fiction and whatnot, but [00:11:00] like, yeah, the cyberpunk genre I mean, I’d seen a Kira and things like that, but I like, I really wasn’t familiar with like the to be honest, I really wasn’t familiar with the reading stuff and yeah, like, Neuromancer or I want to go back and read that because it’s so good. [00:11:16] And I would like to read some of his other things too, because everything I’ve read by him is just incredible. [00:11:20] Brett: [00:11:20] I had I had Patrick Rhone on systematic yesterday, and it was a great episode. Anyone who hasn’t heard that should check it out, but William Gibson came up in a larger literary discussion, but also Neal Stephenson and snow crash. And I think I’m gonna finish Neuromancer and then I’m going to do MonaLisa overdrive, but then I think I am gonna go revisit snow crash. [00:11:44] Christina: [00:11:44] Yeah. I read snow crash. I don’t remember how long ago I read it, but I remember also like being really good and it was so weird for me. I’m reading some of this stuff after basically a whole lifetime of those concept [00:12:00] being infused in my culture and my upbringing, but without knowing like what some of the basis for that was right. [00:12:06] Like that’s the interesting thing is that it’s like if you ask the average person have you read Neuromancer what’s it about, most of them would be like, no, but when you bring in the themes that were explored there that maybe came out before people were born, maybe right after, or maybe, just, but I’ve become like touchstones to our culture, even for people who think that they’re completely disconnected from all of that. Right. Even people who don’t identify with that, like those concepts, like th like the matrix lives on, like, it’s depressing and upsetting for me that the term red pilling exists. [00:12:39] Right. Like, like that’s very upsetting. Especially given, the the things that they stand for and whatnot, but like, that’s just goes to show you, like, there are all these things that have been these cultural touchstones that have become infused in ways I’m repeating myself, but like, you wouldn’t even know it. [00:12:53] And I think that like, snow crash is one of those, like, Neuromancer, there’s some of the others blade runner gets, I think the [00:13:00] right amount of praise and the right amount of recognition, because it is like that outsize, like the one everybody knows, even though if you ask most people, have you ever see blade runner? [00:13:10] They would say no. Which is like the funny thing but I think he gets the right amount of recognition, but some of these other things, it’s just so interesting to think about, like all these little things that we’re not even aware of that have just become part of our culture and yeah. [00:13:24]Brett: [00:13:24] The weird thing about snow crash is like the book, the title refers to static on a monitor. And that’s a concept that kids today they’ve never seen a TV turn on and be nothing but static. And so it’s got it. Wasn’t it was the same at the beginning of Neuromancer there’s he refers to this kind of this blue haze that was intended to reference the the warming up of a CRT tube. [00:13:51]That, that moment before the picture comes on and Gibson’s like, yeah, I made these references that seemed so in embedded in our [00:14:00] culture, That I never imagined, there would be a generation that had no idea what that looked like, but speaking of red pilling did you know Prager, you did a breakdown of 1984 where they tried to cast Donald Trump as Winston. [00:14:16] Christina: [00:14:16] Oh my God. [00:14:18] Brett: [00:14:18] I feel like they got it a little bit upside down. [00:14:21] Christina: [00:14:21] I mean, Oh my God. It’s like, it was so interesting to me is. Okay. And it’s not like I like Iran because, she had many problems, but people like to take her politics and her things and like apply it to the whole dystopic fiction genre. And it’s like, you couldn’t be more wrong. [00:14:40] Right. Like Huxley and Bradbury and Orwell. We’re not that. And so a lot of these books and these things that people on that end try to like use as, confirmation for their own theories. It’s like, you’re not understanding what this is saying. Right. Like, I’ll be honest. I think that on the left people [00:15:00] go way too far too. [00:15:01] And sometimes veer into stuff where I’m frankly uncomfortable and I’m like, okay, hold up. But they’re certainly not like trying to reframe 1984 and to being something that it wasn’t like, [00:15:10] Brett: [00:15:10] And to be the opposite of what it was. [00:15:12] Christina: [00:15:12] that’s what I’m saying. Right. I mean, it’s always been funny to me because I’ve seen this where I’ve seen like people on the right trying to retake Brave new world and trying to apply it to their own things. [00:15:22] And I’m like, okay, first of all, you don’t understand the historical context of when it was written. You don’t know anything about Huxley. You didn’t know anything about what it was saying. Like this is not what you think it is at all. And, [00:15:34] Brett: [00:15:34] Cancel culture is not big. Brother turns out. [00:15:37] Christina: [00:15:37] exactly. It’s like, like brave new world was published in 1932. Like it, it is, if you look at like the social climate of the UK, then you look at like what Huxley believed in. He is not someone who was railing against the same things that the right wing today is railing against to, to be fair. [00:15:56] There are also things that he rails against imparities that I think [00:16:00] sometimes people on the far, far left would embrace. And I think that’s a problem problematic as well, but that doesn’t mean that it is in any way, something that like the right can claim, because it’s not about that. It’s like, no, he’s actually, anti-fascism like, anti-state control. [00:16:18] Like what are you not understanding? [00:16:21] Brett: [00:16:21] Yeah. Speaking of people off their rockers you want to do a health corner? [00:16:26] Christina: [00:16:26] Yeah, let’s do a health corner. What’s up with the Brett’s mental health update. [00:16:29]Brett: [00:16:29] I took a week. I did I didn’t even work on bunch. I should say I took three or four days and in anticipation, I’ve got a start date for my job. [00:16:39] Christina: [00:16:39] Awesome. Yeah. I saw that on Facebook, I think, or Twitter. When, once your start date. [00:16:43]Brett: [00:16:43] May 3rd. So, so at the, when I got the start date, it meant I had two weeks. So I decided to take that first week and just fuck off and and kind of gather my wits, I suppose. And then now I’m onto the part where I [00:17:00] try to wrap up as many of my personal projects as possible. But yeah, it was kind of weird. [00:17:06] Like I’ve watched a lot of YouTube and played a lot with kittens and just and just, I just took some time. It was unusual for me. I feel okay. It’s all gonna work out. [00:17:22] Christina: [00:17:22] I’m happy for you. I’m happy for you. [00:17:24] Brett: [00:17:24] did this background check. That’s still ongoing. I’m not supposed to talk too much about the hiring process. That’s part of, but one of the things that you’re welcome to talk about your new job, but here, the, so I’m going to tiptoe around this, but the the hiring process includes a background check just to verify stuff on your resume. [00:17:46] But I’m being asked to verify that I was self-employed from 2014 till now. And like I’ve had income coming from so many different sources that most of them weren’t [00:18:00] enough to trigger tax documents or anything like that. So I have my blog. I have years of podcast episodes. Like I have an online trail that shows exactly what I was doing, but I don’t know how to verify it. [00:18:13] Christina: [00:18:13] No. Yeah. I ran into a similar issue with my like background check when I joined Microsoft in so far as I worked at digital media companies who don’t answer their phones. And so verifying employment became like this really stressful thing, especially at mashville where I’ve worked for seven years and they wouldn’t answer their phones and they wouldn’t do other things. [00:18:33] And finally, I had to like email the HR bitch and I was like, Hey, I need a letter verifying that I worked here because. I’m starting a job and this is of utmost importance. And then she blew me off. She was like, yeah let’s pay all the stakes and might be a while. And I was like, bitch, fortunately this very nice kid who worked for her, who ironically we’d switched jobs like the same week. [00:18:55] Like he left a Gawker and went to Nashville and I left Nashville and went to Gawker. [00:19:00] So, and we were also located in the same building. So it wasn’t one of those things where I couldn’t just pop upstairs and grab this, it’s like, it would have taken her two seconds to print something out and I could have gone upstairs and grab this. [00:19:11]It, it was the dumbest thing. And he was like, no, I’ll get this out to you. And he got me a letter and I was able to get it to them, but it was frustrating. Also Univision, ironically, the phone number on the paycheck didn’t work because it was one of those things. Like, you don’t want to blow up, like, in your case, you didn’t have this issue, but like, I didn’t want to blow up my spot necessarily. [00:19:31] Like with my. Coworkers would be like, Hey, I got a new job and I haven’t told people yet. Cause I didn’t tell people until the background check was clear cause I’m not dumb. And and I was trying to be, cause you never like, I wasn’t, to my knowledge, I hadn’t done anything that would preclude me from working, [00:19:48] Brett: [00:19:48] I, the same nervousness. I have a clean history. [00:19:52] Christina: [00:19:52] totally, you have just that the natural paranoia and so Univision wouldn’t do it. So I got my W2’s but finally I just told Sarah the receptionist, I was [00:20:00] like, somebody’s going to call and they’re going to ask if I work here and if you could just say yes, she was like, cool, no problem. [00:20:06] Congrats on the new job. I was like, thanks. But it ended up taking like another 10 days because of that. So I, I feel you on your issue because you have all this stuff and you’re like, how do I verify this? I. [00:20:19] Brett: [00:20:19] for like, for four years of my quote unquote employment history, I was running my own business that I eventually like it bankrupted. So I don’t have like the, that was 10 years ago. I don’t have the like incorporation documents or anything. Fortunately, they don’t seem to be asking about that. [00:20:39]I mean, there’s an incorporation record that the business at some point existed, I’m sure I’m listed as the owner. I think that one’s going to be okay, it’s this this years of being a writer, podcaster, blogger, freelancer that I, I. [00:20:54]Christina: [00:20:54] It’s it’s called the creator economy or you’re an influencer or creator, I think though is that’s the term designer. [00:21:00] [00:21:00] Brett: [00:21:00] Creator. Alright. That’s what I’ll tell them. Cause it’s an outsource company. It’s not, I’m not actually working with Oracle on this. Some working with a third party. [00:21:10] Christina: [00:21:10] Yeah. That’s usually how that works. Unfortunately. I don’t remember who Microsoft used to use somebody and then I have to go through I think it’s a, it’s much shorter, but I have to, every two years I have to go through like a much smaller background check because I work on cloud. So, because I work on cloud stuff that have to go through like another, like, like every two years they have to like, verify like, okay, you haven’t been convicted of financial fraud. [00:21:34]And that’s what I’ve been told are like the things they care about. Like they don’t care about other types of, convictions or whatever. They’re like, have you been convicted of financial [00:21:41] Brett: [00:21:41] It’s very specific crime that affects our our credibility in liability. Yeah. [00:21:47] Christina: [00:21:47] Right. Right. And I’m like, no, I have not. So, yeah. But, [00:21:52] Brett: [00:21:52] of financial crimes [00:21:53] Christina: [00:21:53] she’s all amazing segue. [00:21:55]Brett: [00:21:55] W what did you think I was segwaying into? [00:21:57]Christina: [00:21:57] The doge coin. [00:21:58] Brett: [00:21:58] that is correct. I [00:22:00] thought you were, I was worried. You thought that was a sponsor segue. [00:22:03]Christina: [00:22:03] No I [00:22:03] Brett: [00:22:03] fact how I would segue into today’s sponsor. [00:22:06] Christina: [00:22:06] no, I did not think that you would segue into it into a sponsor segue that way because that would not be what we would want. Nope. [00:22:15]Brett: [00:22:15] Tell me about where you’re at with your doge coin. [00:22:17]Christina: [00:22:17] All friends. There’s a great episode of the Simpsons from there, I think it was the seventh season, the best season Bart on the road where they go on spring break and Bart gets a driver’s license and then is able to rent a car. And Martin joins them because he’s rich because he won a bunch of money in the futures market. [00:22:35] And there’s this scene where he’s buying things like soy always. And he’s getting all of his money and he’s like, you’re Europe, $5,000 or whatever. And he was like, very happy. And then he was like, you’re down to everything, but whatever dollars Barton, you got greedy Martin, that’s basically my doge coin stories. [00:22:51] So I’m still up. And I took out my $500 initial investment. I did go ahead and take that out. [00:23:00] Having said that the whole thing has like hit a high of like 42 cents. I probably should have sold it all then, but I didn’t, but now it in crypto in general have just crashed. So I’m still up from where I was to be clear, but like the whole thing is just it. [00:23:17] Yeah, it is it is down. [00:23:19] Brett: [00:23:19] Times? No, it made the wall street journal. [00:23:23] Christina: [00:23:23] Oh yeah, it was on [00:23:24] Brett: [00:23:24] it was like a bubble of sorts, but. [00:23:27] Christina: [00:23:27] massively and we all knew that this is dumb and it’s up a little bit from where it was yesterday it dropped a ton. But yeah, I mean, it is yeah. [00:23:35] Brett: [00:23:35] It’s a product with it’s all futures. There’s like absolutely no like real value to this. Like it’s nothing but up bubble. If it has any value at all, it’s all [00:23:46] Christina: [00:23:46] has no value. It is literally the most era and I’m explaining to people for it. It is the most irrational, stupid thing. Cause there’s no limit on how many coins can exist. Like. Like, like, like, like it was literally created. [00:24:00] So I like, like with literally created, she make fun of Bitcoin. Like the, literally the reason it was created was for that reason. [00:24:07] So like the dose creator is not happy. I’ve seen, I haven’t seen recent interviews, but I’ve seen interviews in the past where he was like, not happy that there’s actually like demonstrable value in this thing that he created, like to be a meme and to make fun of the stupidity of stuff. Like there used to be a Reddit bot that would like alert, like, or word you dose, for doing certain things. [00:24:27] And I just, I didn’t even buy it the right way. Like I bought it on Robinhood, which means that I don’t even own the coin in the sense that I couldn’t transfer it to a wallet and then do other stuff with it. I just like bought it with beyond exchange. It didn’t feel that which is the asshole term for real money. [00:24:41] And. I knew that. And I was like, I don’t care. Like, this is just the easiest way to do it. I don’t want to go through like trying to get an exchange in a wallet and all that. So I don’t care. Cause this is funny to me. Like this whole thing is just stupid and I’m still up, but I’m down. Like from where I was like, if I had sold, like I should’ve sold last [00:25:00] Friday and I would have like, I would have tripled my money. [00:25:04] Brett: [00:25:04] was like 500% at that point. [00:25:06] Christina: [00:25:06] yeah, totally. It was ridiculous. And I did not, but I have no regrets because I went into this thing for the meme. [00:25:13] Brett: [00:25:13] The wall street journal did point out that the first woman elected to office in the U S was put on the ballot as a joke. And that sometimes things that start as joke do end up having real value. [00:25:26]Christina: [00:25:26] Yeah. I mean, it’s look it’s whatever the market wants to pay for it. Right. If the market thinks that something is real enough and they can do that like, but there’s no rationality here. Like, it is truly like a GameStop sort of situation, but even dumber because again, like there’s no limit to this. [00:25:44] Like that’s the thing. And it’s like, if you just wanted to, grind and, create more and more of this, like there’s not like at least with Bitcoin as dumb as it is, like there’s a finite number of them and that’s it. And so you could theoretically see that’s why the value will go up because you can’t create any more. [00:25:59] And so [00:26:00] inflation. It doesn’t exist in kind of the traditional way, but this is, even with regular money, like you don’t just print more of it. They have to be very strategic about how and why they decide to infuse more cash and like introduce more money into the system. So this doesn’t have any of that. [00:26:17] So it’s dumb. It’s just stupid. But I knew that like, as we discussed last week, I knew that I was just like, I was just going to Justin’s advice. He was like, look as long as you’re up even a dollar you’re up. And I’m like, yeah, you know what? Yeah. And then the way I look at it, and this is like from such a privileged, selfish asshole place, but it’s true because I forgot that I had the money in this account. [00:26:39] So I didn’t care. I’d already like budgeted around it, but B if I lose that’s a tax write off. So I, our way I went, like, I’m not mad either way. [00:26:51] Brett: [00:26:51] Did I ever tell you about working when I was working in Vegas, like not working. And I, like, I had jobs that would take me to Vegas and we would stay [00:27:00] in hotels. And I learned like I was drinking at the time. And I learned that if you had money in the video poker machine, your drinks were free and they would bring you food as long as you were playing. [00:27:16] So I would go down to the bar with a $20 bill, slip it into the video slot machines, right at the bar. And then just keep playing enough that I didn’t run out of money. So like, and I basically, my goal would be to drink for free and pull out 20 bucks at the end of the night. As long as I was up at dollar, I was good. [00:27:38] Christina: [00:27:38] I love that. I love that. [00:27:40] Brett: [00:27:40] The alcoholics guide to working in Las Vegas. [00:27:44] Christina: [00:27:44] no, I mean, I think that’s a smart thing to do. I mean, And that is, I think one of Vegas’s greatest Griffes and how they are always able to ensure that the house always wins or whatever is the whole, like, we will give you free drinks and free food, as [00:28:00] long as you’re playing, because people are like, Oh, see I’m making money off of this. [00:28:03] This is a great deal. And not realizing the drunker I get, like that, the more full I feel, the more willing I am going to be just continuing to shove money into this. Exactly. And [00:28:14] Brett: [00:28:14] the insidious scent marketing. Have you ever read about the smells they pump into casinos? It’s disturbing, like, I mean, Macy’s does the same thing. Like scent marketing is not bizarre, but they have very, they’ve spent so much money on researching exactly what fragrances and smells will lower people’s inhibition and increase their willingness to spend big, scary stuff. [00:28:42] Christina: [00:28:42] It is. And then, the lights, that’s another thing too. They like never know what they you’d like, never know what time it is, because it’s always bright, like, like they, they never want you to know that it’s three o’clock in the morning. They never want you to, there are so many things that they do from a psychological article, which is really [00:28:59] Brett: [00:28:59] going to [00:29:00] lie. I like it. Like I love I’m not a gambling addict. Like I’ve never not been able to walk away, but I really loved that feeling of that the next one’s going to be the big hit for me. Like, no matter what game I’m playing that feeling, the combination of the lights and the sounds and the smell and just this, like on the precipice of winning big feeling, even if full well, you’re not, I do enjoy gambling. [00:29:26]Christina: [00:29:26] Yeah. I mean, I always was one of those things. I wouldn’t call myself an addict because I don’t have an ID. I do not have an addictive personality and I am always able to stop, but I do like the feeling and like, as a kid, I figured out really early on. That I could maybe like it too much. It could maybe be problematic, but I didn’t like keep myself in check because I had the video game, biggest stakes for super Nintendo. [00:29:50] And I was like 10 years old. And that was how I learned to play poker and some other things. And I loved that game and I would like it, cause your whole thing is to win like as much money as you [00:30:00] can, and to go to better and better hotels and things and whatnot. And I was miss Christina and that’s, what they would call me and like, you’d get upgraded, to like the next hotel. [00:30:08] And you go into these nice little suites and all this stuff. And like, it was great. And I had a great time playing it, but it was one of those things where I would play for like hours a day and I’d be like, Oh, okay, this could be a problem. Right? Like this is where my real money. This could be a problem. [00:30:24] And. When I was 16, I was on a cruise and I was gambling illegally. And I did really well but I cashed out, my sister kept being like, go more. And I was like, no, I think that it would, I would enjoy this too much. So I’m always able to stop myself, but I like you, I enjoy it. Like, I’m always able to set like a clear limit with myself being like, this is the maximum amount you were willing to lose, but that doesn’t mean that I’m not the sort of person like, so I’m I have a strong enough like personality and strong enough, like control to be able to be like, I’m not going to lose more than this. [00:30:57] And once I hit this Mark, I’m done. What [00:31:00] I don’t have is like the impulse to be like, I’m not going to play until I lose this much. Right. because sometimes cause it can go either way. Like sometimes you cash out and you make a lot in your you’re great. But there’s also kind of that there could be that compulsion, which is like, okay, I’ve given myself permission to lose $500. [00:31:16]But I’m going to continue to play until I lose $500. Right. [00:31:20]Brett: [00:31:20] I, yeah, I have like, no, I have no negative gambling stories. Like I’ve always, either had fun losing, the amount of money. I said it was okay to lose or I’ve come out ahead. And yeah I considering my personality considering how easily I get addicted to things, I think it’s actually pretty impressive that gambling has never sent me into a bad place. [00:31:45]Christina: [00:31:45] I’m pretty impressed with that too. Yeah. And I’ve never had the, like, I would never feel bad about it. Right. Like I’ve always had a good time and I would never do it if I didn’t like, feel good about it. The thing where I have been able to kind of be maybe in a place where you don’t realize how much you’re spending and it never became a [00:32:00] problem, but I wrote a post about it once and I can’t find it, but like I spent $800 on candy crush. [00:32:05] Brett: [00:32:05] Whoa, that’s problematic. [00:32:08] Christina: [00:32:08] I agree. like, not at one time, it was just over, it was over the course of a couple of months, [00:32:13] Brett: [00:32:13] That’s why I won’t play any game where you can pay to get ahead because I will make that mistake or I will think $10 here. Isn’t such a big deal. I’m really [00:32:24] Christina: [00:32:24] No last thing. That’s the thing. Right. And it was never to get ahead. It was just for extra lives and stuff like that. And it’s just cause you want to continue to play. And when I did the math and I realized how much I’d spent over a couple months on candy crush, like my colleagues were freaked out. [00:32:38] I [00:32:38] Brett: [00:32:38] you feel sick to your stomach, huh? [00:32:40] Christina: [00:32:40] it does. I mean, I was amused more than anything to be honest. Like I wasn’t super, I [00:32:46] Brett: [00:32:46] yeah. Cause you’re rich. I forgot. [00:32:49] Christina: [00:32:49] Oh, I wasn’t rich then. And I’m not rich now. Like, trust me. I’m I’m I mean, like for some people’s standards maybe, but I’m not, but it’s like, where I live and what, [00:33:00] yeah. [00:33:00] I’m not rich. It’s certainly I’m not the sort person you can just lose $800 and be like, [00:33:03] Brett: [00:33:03] you. It’s okay. [00:33:04]Christina: [00:33:04] No, you’re not. I’m just trying to be clear. Like this was when I lived in New York and I was certainly not right. And I didn’t have, because I wasn’t getting paid what I’m being paid now. And my cost of living and other expenses and stuff were greater. [00:33:19] And so, but it was over a couple months and yeah, you do kind of feel sick, but it was not one of those things where I was like, beating myself up over it. If that makes any sense. Right. I looked at it more as like, Oh, this is kind of funny, but this is bad. But it was one of those things I also was like at least I get like writing material out of it. [00:33:35]But it did make me consider, maybe go, okay, I can’t play these types of games or I have to give myself like a hard limit on stuff like that. That’s actually something I wish that Apple would do. Like they allow you to limit ages of people who can do in app purchases, but like, why not just limit the amount like, and I know why they don’t do it. [00:33:54] They don’t do it because they make so much money. Right. No, and that’s the thing that’s insidious to me about it. Like, [00:34:00] don’t give me this bullshit about how much you care about privacy and safety and security and all this shit and the integrity of the app store. And then you’re literally making billions and billions of dollars off of people who, because the story is about like the whales who keep a lot of those big games to float are not uncommon. [00:34:19] And you have people who do what I did, but we’re not in a financial position to do so. And didn’t like, find it funny and like it can destroy lives. And so I find like in general, I’m not in favor of Epic’s position against Apple on a lot of levels. Although I do think that like some of Apple’s rules around the app store arbitrary, and we’ve discussed that before, but in general, I’m not on Epic side. [00:34:42]But I do find egregious and hypocritical is like, you talk about the integrity of the app store, but yet you allow these. Like predatory apps to prey on people and you take a cut and it’s like, if you really cared, you would allow a mechanism to exist. That says, okay, [00:35:00] after a certain, just like screen time after you’ve spent a certain amount of money in a game, you can’t do it anymore. [00:35:06] Unless you explicitly go in and override it. Right. Like don’t even make it so that you’re saying, okay, once you’re done. Like you have to explicitly go in and override it because for a lot of people, what I think that would do, it’s not for the whales. They might still go in and do that. Right. [00:35:21] Like they might still, they might never set that limit and they might override it if that happens. But for people like me, who aren’t realizing what they’ve spent on something until they look at it and they’re like, Oh my God, what did I just do? It would be a time to have to reflect and go, Oh, I’ve just spent $25 on that. [00:35:39] Brett: [00:35:39] Is just like screen time. Like you don’t realize how much you’ve been looking at your phone until screen time tells you it’s really easy to lose track of that stuff. [00:35:47] Christina: [00:35:47] Completely. And it’s like, okay, if you’re so worried about the screen stuff and like, which I think is considerably less problematic and probably less, it’s like, okay, we care so much about the kids and the screen time and how much you’re [00:36:00] focused on this. So we’re going to give you these popups and limit your app usage. [00:36:03] You can overwrite it and whatnot, but we’re not going to give you a limit on how much you can spend this meaning in an app purchase. And it’s like, don’t tell me, you care, you don’t care. And that’s fine. Like, I want to be very clear. I’m not asking that they care. Like they don’t have to, but don’t present yourself as the caring company like, like it’s fine to what the money and not give a shit just don’t pretend like you do [00:36:26]Brett: [00:36:26] I can’t think of a better time to segue into this week sponsor. I’m going to start by telling a short story. This is part of the sponsor break, but this is all, this is real. This is from my heart. I over the last six years, I’ve been independently employed and. There was a period where my health insurance was costing me 900 bucks a month, and I was paying hundreds of dollars for my prescriptions. [00:36:55] And I felt like I had no choice, but to start putting that stuff onto a [00:37:00] credit card. And it very quickly racked up to a point where I had enough credit card debt that I couldn’t afford to make much higher than monthly payment, like minimum payments on it. And the debt was high enough to my asset ratio that I couldn’t take out loans to cover it. 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[00:40:11] I’d have had instances where things have gone into collections and years pass and, you’re able to kind of finagle it and sometimes get the, get it down. And sometimes not. I’ve had that. I’ve had that happen to me before and it has impacted me negatively. And so I think [00:40:26]Brett: [00:40:26] I’ve never been to collections. I have always paid my bills and that’s, what’s frustrating about it is. Yeah. Like I stopped using those credit cards over a year ago yet my monthly minimum payment keeps going up because just making the minimum payment, the interest was come up, was piling up faster than the payments could cover even without spending anything. [00:40:51]It was horrible. It was it was making me lose sleep and now I’m sleeping much better. Speaking of disposable income and [00:41:00] video games, ha I’m thinking that. So over the course of the last, maybe three months on systematic, I’ve had at least four guests talk about their Oculus quest. And I’m thinking now that I have disposable income and I’ve heard from people who aren’t like your typical gamers that love their Oculus, I might have to get one. [00:41:23]Christina: [00:41:23] Yeah. I mean, I would look at it for sure. I’ve looked at this too. I think the Oculus, the nice thing about that as I, you don’t need the space that you need with some of the other ones, right? [00:41:35] Brett: [00:41:35] I have no idea. I just know people keep talking about it. So you don’t have one. [00:41:39] Christina: [00:41:39] I don’t have one. I’ve played with them. I haven’t played with the quest. I played with other ones and they’re really impressive. The one thing with Oculus quest you will need, and you, I don’t think have an ideological problem with this, but you will need a Facebook account. Because Facebook owns Oculus and they recently started requiring if you want to use apps and games and stuff, you have to actually have a Facebook account. [00:41:58]It used to be a separate system [00:42:00] but it hasn’t, it isn’t anymore. What’s neat about the Oculus quest is that, so you have like the full room scale Oculus and you have like the HTC devices and they’re great, but they require a couple of things. [00:42:13] One, they require a pretty powerful computer. You can’t really use a Mac because of issues with metal and things like that. Like if you ran things at bootcamp, maybe, but the Mac is not ideal for that. So you really need a PC and you need, a certain level of hardware that can do the output. [00:42:27] You also need. A room where you can set up the sensors to do the room-scale stuff. And it’s a really impressive experience, but a lot of people don’t have that you live in a house and you might be able to do it. I don’t have, like, I wanted to do that. And then I’m like, I do not have the physical space to set up, to do VR. [00:42:44]We have a set up in, in the studio that we never use, but we have that set up. But I just don’t have it. What’s neat about the quest is that you don’t need that. And it’s a self contained unit and it’s relatively inexpensive. And the experience from what I understand is really fun. I’m very happy with my [00:43:00] Nintendo switch and with my PlayStation at my X-Box, but if I were to get like a VR headset, that’s probably the one I would get. [00:43:07] And my friends who have it all really like it, [00:43:10] Brett: [00:43:10] So speaking of new hardware, God damn it. I’m the segue King today. Let’s talk about the Apple event. Oh my God. I, if I keep this up, this may be a record setting. Brett, like successfully segues. Oh it’s been like five times anyway. Yeah. So Apple had an event there. I absolutely loved the the what would you call a mission? [00:43:34] Impossible segway. They did like, it was so cheesy and so bad, but I loved it. [00:43:40] Christina: [00:43:40] I loved it too. My only, the only thing. And I said this on Twitter, I was like, the people who did the creative direction for that were probably not alive when and impossible came out, which is really depressing because that movie is 25 years old, but I loved it. I thought that was great. I want [00:43:56]Brett: [00:43:56] The, when they took the camera through the grass and the [00:44:00] sprinkler and everything like that, you couldn’t do this stuff with a live keynote. They’re really taking advantage of the medium. [00:44:06] Christina: [00:44:06] They are, I mean, you could do it with a live keynote. You would play like a film and then what you would do is you would have somebody like you would have Tim cook, like come out on stage after the video. Right. Like dressed the same way. Like you but it certainly was a good example of that. [00:44:20]I loved that. I also loved the woman, I, and I’m sorry that I don’t know her name, but who did the iMac presentation? She had the best outfit. Her outfit was so good. She had this amazing, like, like light blue jumpsuit and her watch was matching and her accessories on her shoes. Like the whole thing. [00:44:39] Absolutely. It was fire. It was so good. And I was like, I was so into that. I am. When I hosted Microsoft events, I always try to dress cool and have like a certain look. And I have worn jumpsuits a couple of times, but usually the way that they have me is like an, a desk shot. So like you miss half my body and you don’t see my amazing [00:45:00] shoes usually. [00:45:00] And it’s, and I’m like, damn it. Like, I’ve put all the separate notice out that nobody sees it. But looking at that was so much better even like, than the stuff that I do, that I was like actually inspired. So I’m going to be one of our hosts for Microsoft build next month. And I’m like, all right, I’m here to play. [00:45:14] I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna say that I can like match that excellence. Right. Because I just, I’m a real, and I also know how we shoot things and what our style is for that event. And the sort of posting that I’m doing, which is different than a prerecorded product demonstration, where you have the full shot. [00:45:31] And like, clearly the whole thing was art directed. Right. But it was great. And I also looking at what outfits other people wearing, although I’m sure like they were given. Instructions from people. It felt like it was probably my excuse. Maybe I’m wrong on this? Somebody at Apple, let me know on the download. [00:45:47] I will not tell, but I’m just curious, like, do you pick your clothes or does a director tell you what to wear? I’m thinking that it’s the person who plays a bigger role in picking what their outfit is going to be. But maybe the director is like, okay, what about these colors? [00:46:00] Cause usually that’s some of our stuff like I’ll bring in. [00:46:02]I always bring an options for my clothes and I’m like, all right, you pick what you want or what’s gonna, photograph better. But her outfit was so good. I was just like, I was in trance. Also the iMac part, I felt like that should have been like what they closed with. I don’t know about you. [00:46:18]Brett: [00:46:18] Aye. So the only hardware that really excited me, I mean, the IMAX stuff was it. W it’s awesome. It’s great. What they’re [00:46:27] Christina: [00:46:27] No, you were the iPad, right? [00:46:28] Brett: [00:46:28] No, I actually don’t give a shit about the iPad. It’s weird. I own an iPad pro I use it mostly for watching content. Like I don’t work on an iPad, but that Apple TV, remote that Apple TV, remote fixes so many problems I have, and I will absolutely be upgrading my Apple TV. [00:46:49] Just to get that remote with the side mounted Siri button, a mute button, a power button, an asymmetrical design, a click wheel, a it’s got [00:47:00] it’s, everything. It’s everything I’ve ever wanted. [00:47:02] Christina: [00:47:02] you’re right. It is. It is. It is everything we’ve wanted. It is my friend, Alex, Cranz wrote a blog post on the verge today. She’s the new managing editor. And Alex do you have to understand is famous for having very bad tech opinions and I’m enforcing them on all of us. And so her blog I’ll link it because I could not disagree with it more. [00:47:20] She’s one of my best friends and I hate this blog. I’m going to put this in our equip document. Cause it’s so funny. It’s called thank you for the memories, Siri, remote. And then her subhead is few Apple products have engendered as much rage as this very good remote. And then she basically writes a defense of the remote and I’m like, Kranz, this is bad. [00:47:38]Brett: [00:47:38] Take. [00:47:39] Christina: [00:47:39] Oh, completely. But also she knows that like, she might feel this way, but she knows that this is the wrong take. Like she, she’s not fooling anybody. And I know that the way that they like publish, I’m sure that the reason they publish this is because they’ve gotten to know her just as I did and love her and her, like, this is hysterical. [00:47:55]And also to be fair, it’s like such a, like, it could not be further than the knee [00:48:00] lies opinion. And so I love that because she frankly knew like they need somebody who can push back against him. Right. Like they need that. But I’m with you, like the new remote. I don’t know if it’s $70 worth isn’t that how much it costs. [00:48:14] Brett: [00:48:14] I did. I didn’t even care. I just, I know as soon as it’s available and maybe it is available. [00:48:20] Christina: [00:48:20] I think it is available right [00:48:21] Brett: [00:48:21] All right. I’ll let you know how much I spend because I’m definitely buying it. [00:48:25] Christina: [00:48:25] yeah, I’m probably going to get a new Apple TV. I don’t know when, but I’m probably gonna get one. And the new remote is definitely good. And I think that, that is like, I was with you and it was so funny. Cause I saw it, I’m like, Oh my God, they went back to the old design and they were like, what do you mean? [00:48:38] And I was like, Oh my God, we really do live in an era where people don’t remember the aluminum remote. And then somebody goes, Oh yeah, that was the original Apple remote design. And I’m like [00:48:45] Brett: [00:48:45] no, it wasn’t [00:48:47] Christina: [00:48:47] no, it wasn’t the plastic one which we loved it had a little magnet, but she was, which would attach to [00:48:51] Brett: [00:48:51] little IRR remote. It was hilarious. [00:48:54] Christina: [00:48:54] It was also durable and front row, man. That is the one thing that I am kind of mad at Apple about they spend [00:49:00] all this time. Yes. Especially when you have a widescreen 24 inch, like four and a half Cade panel. [00:49:05] Brett: [00:49:05] That is true, although, so better touch tool can do stuff with the the Siri remote and your Mac. I don’t, I’ve never tried it though. [00:49:14] Christina: [00:49:14] The it’ll be available on the 30th. So, so right before you start your job and it’s going to be, I’m trying to see how much, if I know what the remote prices, so the Apple TV is a certain thing, but they will be selling that new remote. So, [00:49:26] Brett: [00:49:26] And it’ll work with my 4k that I have [00:49:29] Christina: [00:49:29] sure. It’ll work with the 4k and the HDE and what’s neat is that they will also like that collab that watch calibration feature works will work on the old Apple TV. [00:49:39] Brett: [00:49:39] fuck. Yeah, I was so excited. Like, I don’t know if you remember spiders, but back when I worked in advertising, we’ll say graphic design, more, we used to spend hours calibrating our monitors to match like Adobe color profiles and, to try to match your monitor to what was going to come out of your [00:50:00] printer, that you also spent way too much money on. [00:50:02] And you had these things you could attach to your screen with suction cups, and it would read the like pixel values off your screen and create a calibration profile for you. And I haven’t had to use one of those for almost 15 years probably, but the fact that I can now do that to my TV, with my iPhone, excites me more than it should. [00:50:25] Christina: [00:50:25] Oh, I agree. I think that it was so funny because I kind of wanted to dunk on it at first it’s $60, by the way, for the remote. It’ll be, but you can buy it next week. And I kind of, I looked at it at first. I kinda wanted to dunk on it. And then I was, the more I thought about it. I was like, no, actually this is brilliant. [00:50:39] Like, this is actually the smartest thing I’ve seen. The only thing that is, and this is not their fault. This would be a difficult thing for them to do. And I wouldn’t even like. I wouldn’t even recommend they would even try. The only thing is like, obviously this will only calibrate it when you’re using the Apple TV. [00:50:55] Right? Like it’s not going to be able to do it in your other apps, but I think that goes [00:51:00] right. This is my point. So, we, cause typically when you would use the spiders or do other professional calibration, you have to go into the settings and you have to like Gran your early like control all those things. [00:51:10] But the thing is I think that this sort of reinforces for them the idea that like, yeah, we, we don’t make a TV, but we make this box that we essentially want to be your TV and be the only input you use. And I think that’s fairly compelling. It’s also one of those things that it’s not like I’m encouraging Samsung turf them off, but it would be smart of Samsung and Sony and LG to introduce calibration apps. [00:51:37] For their TVs because like I’ve been looking in, you can’t get them. They’re like, like graphics cards and everything else. They’re out of stock, but LG sells this 48 inch. There’s the C 10 and the new C1 TV. And it’s an old ad and it’s considered like the best gaming slash computer slash TV that you can get because it’s 4k and it’s high refresh rate and it’s AC my 2.1. [00:52:00] [00:51:59] So it’ll be great for the next gen gaming and graphics cards. And then as a high enough resolution that it can actually be used as like a computer display, high enough refresh rate with that. And people are using it for those purposes. But yeah, I would love to be able to calibrate that with my phone. [00:52:15] And how would just be such a, I’m sure that you would still have the people who want the professional calibration would still pay for people to come out and do that. Right? Like this is the thing, like, because I can already hear people’s arguments. Oh, the dealers and the installers would be so mad. [00:52:30] First of all, you’re not understanding the market of people who would do this themselves versus people who would call. And there’s a very, there’s no overlap versus the people who are willing to buy $1,200 TB or higher. In some of these cases, there are many thousands of dollars and if they want it calibrated, they will pay the extra whatever and get a professional come out and do it. [00:52:50] No problem, versus a value add to people who would never call a calibrator, like, like, like somebody else to come on, do it. They would [00:53:00] never do that. But if you had like an app to do that would be really great. Right? [00:53:06] Brett: [00:53:06] Bringing like all these people that are, have like a, we’ll say three to three to $600 TVs and are getting like you as Apple and as the center of all of the content, you have no control over. How these people are actually seeing the product. And now you’re bringing everyone up to like kind of a level playing field, [00:53:28] Christina: [00:53:28] No exactly [00:53:29] Brett: [00:53:29] everybody. [00:53:30] Christina: [00:53:30] it really does. I mean, especially with stuff like HDR, where the wrong settings and the wrong stuff can really, cause some people will look at HDR content, they have an HDR TV that supports it. And they’re like, this looks terrible. And I can’t like disagree with them because on a lot of the lower end TVs. [00:53:47] And at this point, like you only have kind of, there are a couple of counties like that LG that I’m talking about as sort of what I would call I guess your mid range, but usually you are only up like very expensive or what most of [00:54:00] us have, which are, like the three to $600 models. [00:54:02] Right. And so, and more people have those three to $600 models. Cause why would spend more like, unless you really need specific features, it’s not worth it, but you don’t understand. You’re like, okay, it does have the capabilities to do this. And the picture quality. Might not be as good, but it’s not heart garbage, but you have to adjust your settings, to make that HDR really work and Apple. [00:54:23]And I think even more to the point, like, I think this is a really great move from them for like content creators. Right. Cause if you’re wanting people to view your stuff and then you know that they’re only going to be seeing it, like looking like crap and overexposed, like that’s not cool. So I love it. [00:54:39] I’m a huge fan. [00:54:40] Brett: [00:54:40] So tune in next time to find out which which your iMac Christina’s going to get. We’ll save that for the next show. [00:54:47] Christina: [00:54:47] Say that for the next one. Actually. That’s great to save it for the next one, because that will be right before the pre-orders open. And you can hear about my justifications for why I’m going to now have to IMAX in my office. So that’s a spoiler for next week. [00:54:59] Brett: [00:54:59] All [00:55:00] right. Great episode if I do say so myself, [00:55:03] Christina: [00:55:03] Yeah, honestly. Yeah. I was a little worried about this. I’m not gonna lie. Just [00:55:06]Brett: [00:55:06] The post vaccine episodes. Yeah, I know. [00:55:10] Christina: [00:55:10] totally. But yeah, this was great. [00:55:11] Brett: [00:55:11] Yeah. Nice job. Nice job everybody. All right. All right. Hey get some sleep, Christina, [00:55:19] Christina: [00:55:19] Thank you. Get some sleep, read, hope, the hope you’re feeling better and continue taking some time off and enjoy next week. [00:55:25] Brett: [00:55:25] and get through that background check [00:55:27] Christina: [00:55:27] Absolutely fingers crossed on that, man. You got it [00:55:30]Brett: [00:55:30] later. [00:55:32] Christina: [00:55:32] later.

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Transcript Christina Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] [00:00:04] Hey, should I do the intro this week? [00:00:06] Christina: [00:00:06] Yeah, I think so. [00:00:07] Brett: [00:00:07] I feel like it’s, Hey, this is Brett. And I’m here with Christina and you’re listening to over tired. See, it’s been a while since I really screwed up. Well, [00:00:17] Christina: [00:00:17] I liked that though. I think that was actually a good intro. I like it when we mess up as does the ins, so [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] I feel like it was a very familiar intro. No last names, just, [00:00:25] Christina: [00:00:25] Breton Christina. [00:00:26] Brett: [00:00:26] we all know each other here [00:00:28] Christina: [00:00:28] Basically. Yeah. How are you doing Brett? [00:00:30] Brett: [00:00:30] I am. I’m good. I we have, so we’ve been keeping the kitten. Can I just talk about my kitten? We’ve been keeping the kitten upstairs with the pet gate and then Yeti likes to come down with me. So I’ll let him down. When I go down to my office. And recently I’ve wanted to give Yeti like free roam without the gate. [00:00:53]So we have to keep the dog from going downstairs. Cause if she gets downstairs, she poops in the basement, which [00:01:00] sucks. And so I took an angle grinder and I cut a pole out of the gate. So now it’s big enough for the cats to fit through, but not the dog. And so now the kitten is exploring the basement, which is clearly Yeti’s territory. [00:01:14] So she’s a lot nicer to Yeti down here, but that means that on a regular basis, I suddenly have a kitten in my lap while I’m working and I’m waiting for it to happen during this podcast. I left the door open almost specifically so that I could be delighted by a cat, just jumping into my lap. That was a really long story to tell you that there’s a kitten in my office. [00:01:36]Christina: [00:01:36] No, but I liked it and I like that she’s in your office and I liked that. She’s doing well. This is actually though a good segue into Brett’s mental health corner. Although first, do we have any sponsors this week? [00:01:45]Brett: [00:01:45] W we are sponsored by a ritual this week. I’ll do the read on that when we get to it. [00:01:51] Christina: [00:01:51] Fantastic. Now I just wanted it to be able to give them a shout out earlier in the show. If we needed to, I don’t know how the contract stuff [00:01:57] Brett: [00:01:57] Yeah, no, they don’t ask for it, but [00:02:00] that’s we go above and beyond and let you know that we are sponsored by ritual at the top of the show [00:02:05]Christina: [00:02:05] Solutely all right. So let’s segue now into breaths. Men’s Brett’s mental health corner. So other than, having to keep the cat from pooping in the basement, how the dog, I’m sorry, the dog poops in the basement. I’m sorry. The dog groups, the basements. And you need to keep the kitten away from it. [00:02:22] Other than that how are you doing. [00:02:23]Brett: [00:02:23] Overall really good. For some reason today I’m super scattered and I just cannot latch onto one project, which I know ADHD, but I’ve been super good for the last month. So this is weird. [00:02:39] Christina: [00:02:39] Yeah. I was going to say when we were talking before our show about a couple of things that you’re like, yeah, I’m super scattered and I can’t focus on anything like important. I was like, Oh Oh weekday, because I don’t know this year, especially my ADHD has been out of control, but I’ve been really glad yours has been better, but I’m super sorry that it’s not, but other [00:03:00] than the ADHD, Venus everything else good on, on the mental health front. [00:03:04] Brett: [00:03:04] Yeah I just had an appointment with my psychiatrist. Was it yesterday or the day before? I forget now. But I was happy to report for that since our last meeting, I had not had a single, like upper down mood swing. Things are so stable and not like boring, stable, like I’m in like a good place. [00:03:23] Christina: [00:03:23] So I’m so happy to hear that. So it’s you’re not drugged. You’re not like in like a stasis point, but you’re also not like having the, instability thing. That’s awesome. [00:03:31] Brett: [00:03:31] Yeah, I think it’s a good time to start a day job. [00:03:34]Christina: [00:03:34] Honestly, it is any updates on that. [00:03:36]Brett: [00:03:36] No, I keep getting messages of encouragement and just be patient it’s going to happen. So I’m just being patient now. I believe them it’s going to happen. [00:03:46]Edit: got the offer this morning [00:03:48]Christina: [00:03:48] Okay, so I’m sorry for being distracted I a bit, but I’m very happy to hear that things are progressing well on that front. I’m very sorry to be distracted. This is my ADHD ness breaking news on my [00:04:00] front and I don’t know, like I might have to sell in a couple of minutes. I don’t know. I made a meme post shit, post bad financial decision about 36 hours ago. [00:04:09]Coinbase, the crypto, like holding things or whatever, what public and before it was going public crazy stuff was happening with the doge coin, which, it was like a fake currency and [00:04:21] Brett: [00:04:21] was a fake currency. [00:04:23] Christina: [00:04:23] yeah, I’m cur I bought it at $500 36 hours ago. I’m currently at over 800. In doge coin. It’s no it’s gone up 60% in 36 hours. [00:04:35]Oh no. Okay. Now I’m back down to seven 86. I should have sold when I was at 800, but I’m going to have to not watch this because this is just insane to me. Like I literally bought it as a Lark and it’s very possible that yeah, if it hits, if I get to the point where I’m, I’ve doubled my money, aren’t getting anywhere close to that. [00:04:51] I’m getting out and I’m being like, ha. Because this is dumb. This is the dumbest thing ever. [00:04:56] Brett: [00:04:56] If you want to check it, when we get to the sponsor read, if you want to [00:05:00] check in and figure out if you need to sell I’ll cover for you. [00:05:03]Christina: [00:05:03] Yeah, no, I just that was it. The ADHD thing, but also just the stupidity of the world right now. If we can be totally honest because there, I forgot that I had money in an account that I was able to buy stuff with and I was just like, okay, I’ll just do this because it will be funny. And I’m, it’s midnight, I’m bored and whatever. [00:05:22]And yes, I recognize my immense privilege that I just had $500 that I could essentially flush down the toilet. However but in fairness to me, I’d already accounted for it, not being around, like I’d already budgeted around it. So anyway but I also acknowledged my massive privilege and all of this having said that this is still stupid, even by those like, this is just dumb. [00:05:43] So [00:05:44] Brett: [00:05:44] One time. I so you’ve heard of MindMeister the online mind-mapping tool. [00:05:52] Christina: [00:05:52] I have. [00:05:53] Brett: [00:05:53] They, I have like affiliate links for them. Cause I’m a big fan and I talk about them all the time. So they sent me up with the affiliate [00:06:00] program and I started using those links. This is a few years back. Probably almost a decade ago. [00:06:06] I started using them and then promptly forgot that they were affiliate links. So after a couple years I remember, Oh, I should go check my account there and see if I’ve made any money. There was $2,000 sitting in my account that I had to request a withdrawal of. Cause I forgot that I had money. like to make a correction at the top of the hour here. I, and I know that I do this wrong and I didn’t think about it, but I went with P w N E D. I know it’s pronounced poned, but I always say pond. I, when I insert the missing Val, I always pick a, and then you followed my lead on that because you’re very polite. [00:06:49] But our entire last episode about pony judge, I kept saying ponage. So I would like to admit my mistake and make a public [00:07:00] correction that it is poem. [00:07:01] Christina: [00:07:01] Okay. It is pony. And this is where I now admit like one of my mistakes. I think I followed you along because I’ve never pronounced the P I’ve always just pronounced it as own edge. [00:07:12]Brett: [00:07:12] Okay. And I think there’s an argument to be made for that too. Let’s just not say words that are only meant to be written. [00:07:20] Christina: [00:07:20] Yeah. Let’s just not say elite, speak aloud. [00:07:22]Brett: [00:07:22] Yeah. But we’ll just go silent. That doesn’t work. [00:07:26] Christina: [00:07:26] No, it doesn’t [00:07:27] Brett: [00:07:27] could spell the words out every time. You know what I didn’t do before we started. [00:07:33] Christina: [00:07:33] What’s that [00:07:34] Brett: [00:07:34] See if anyone left us a goddamn review on iTunes yet [00:07:38]Christina: [00:07:38] I was going to say I haven’t checked and I would very much like to see if anybody has listened to us and has done that, because that would be really great. [00:07:48] Brett: [00:07:48] showing results for over tired. Oh, I’m in music. I have to open. It’s a separate app now. [00:07:55] Christina: [00:07:55] I know, I hate it so much. [00:07:57]Brett: [00:07:57] This is good radio. [00:07:59] Christina: [00:07:59] This is [00:08:00] fantastic. Are you, this is why people listen to our podcast and leave us one star. No, excuse me. Two star reviews, because we tried and they’re like, this is the most boring stuff ever. And it sounds like two really tired people. That’s exactly what this [00:08:11]Brett: [00:08:11] We have new one. W we have a couple. Oh, okay. Okay. From someone named Dayton, TP, for someone with anxiety, OCD, and stays up too late each night, I can relate to many of the topics of discussion on this podcast. I have also been in software development for over 20 years. So I enjoy that side of the discussions. [00:08:32]Five stars, [00:08:34] Christina: [00:08:34] Oh, thank you. Dayton PT. That’s so nice. [00:08:37]Brett: [00:08:37] Star review from Sam salmon. Seminoma. Only better when tired, both tech and some pop news, media, bits, and pieces, both hosts are excellent and true longtime friends. And it shows the sh the show is quirky, but awesome. I can’t say I’ve heard them all, but I did start listening pretty early. [00:08:56] Christina was in Brooklyn. Wow. W [00:09:00] people did listen to us. Oh. And [00:09:02] Christina: [00:09:02] Oh, gee. Hell yeah. Thank you. [00:09:03] Brett: [00:09:03] Jay Miller friend of the show, because they understand my brain better than me. Five stars. I got diagnosed with ADHD and anxiety after I was able to identify some of my own behavioral patterns in these two breaths men at coding States. [00:09:18] And Christina’s excellent taste in things, code shoes, and drama. Always leave me wanting to check into everything they talk. [00:09:24]Christina: [00:09:24] Aw. Thank you, Shea. That’s so nice. I’m going to cry. you, listeners. This is really nice. [00:09:33] Brett: [00:09:33] Do you ever have good tastes in shoes? [00:09:35] Christina: [00:09:35] I do have good taste in shoes. [00:09:37]Brett: [00:09:37] I don’t get shoes. I’ve realized I love like women’s fashion. If if a significant other says, how do I look in this? I am happy to like, find all the great things about what they’re wearing. I really enjoy women’s clothing, but I don’t like there I, it’s not a foot fetish. [00:09:56] Like I just am always happier. An [00:10:00] outfit always looks better with bare feet to me. Like I don’t, I think I dislike shoes. [00:10:04]Christina: [00:10:04] That’s fair and shoes are definitely one of those things where you don’t always need it in an outfit. Sometimes for certain styles, it can be fine without, but I will say, I think that the right shoe can really pull an entire thing together and the wrong shoe can kill an outfit. [00:10:24] Brett: [00:10:24] You’re going to say the left shoe. [00:10:25] Christina: [00:10:25] Now that would have been actually funnier. [00:10:28] Brett: [00:10:28] I think my cat’s about to unplug my microphone. If I disappear, [00:10:31] Christina: [00:10:31] Okay. [00:10:32]Brett: [00:10:32] It’s not the kitten. I would expect that of the kitten. It’s Yeti. Who’s decided to cruise around behind my monitor, where all the cables are wrapped up. Anyhow, let’s assume that’s not going to happen. [00:10:44] I heard that there was, and we have to it’s part, we have to talk about it that there was a new Taylor Swift something. [00:10:54] Christina: [00:10:54] Yes, this is very exciting. [00:10:56] Brett: [00:10:56] Tell me about it. [00:10:57] Christina: [00:10:57] Okay. So [00:11:00] fearless, which is Okay. I think that okay. I don’t even know where my ranking of Taylor Swift’s albums are right now because I’m a folklore and evermore truly fucked things up. And I’m probably gonna need another six months to like, sit and think on that, but it is one of her best albums and it’s definitely was her breakout album. [00:11:18] It came out in November of 2008 and was her second album. It went on to win album of the year at the Grammys. It spawned some of her biggest early hits. You belong with me, which is one of the greatest pop songs of the 21st century. Like even grizzled rock critics. Agree with that. It’s a great pop song and love story, which is, ubiquitous and amazing. [00:11:41] And it’s just, it’s a really good album. It has some good ballads on it. It is still very much a country album, but this was very much her like her debut album is okay. But fearless is where the Taylor Swift that we know and love and have spent years on this podcast talking about the intricacies of all the, type a shit about her. [00:11:59]This is where that really [00:12:00] started. And she, we talked about how she’d be recorded, love story a few months back, but the out the whole album is now out and without getting into the strum and drum about why she did this is basically a rights issue. It’s basically a fuck you to the people who own her masters and then have sold them now twice. [00:12:19]And because she is a songwriter, she owns the publishing rights and she can rerecord her songs. So she basically went back into the studio and re-recorded the album. Got many of the same people involved, to play their parts, got like the same like there was a feature on one of the songs. [00:12:37] She got that artist back in to do the feature and made them sound as close to the originals, as one could expect, like it’s eerie. It they sound more like remasters than, re records in all honesty. And it’s it’s pretty great. I have to say, I don’t know if I love it more than the original, because there’s something about, she’s [00:13:00] 31 now vocals are not going to be the same, although she did a really good job of trying to, mimic how she sounded when she was younger, but there are uncertain songs that are just certain things where you can just hear your she’s a better vocalist now, but that doesn’t necessarily make the song better. [00:13:13] I don’t know. It just makes it different. But it’s a pretty impressive piece of work and Definitely a money grab. And it’s definitely a rights thing. It’s a fuck you thing. It’s also, she’s refused to license any of her older songs for a television or movies and she will license the new versions. [00:13:31] So there’s that component of it [00:13:33] Brett: [00:13:33] I heard she really needs the cash. [00:13:35] Christina: [00:13:35] completely. This is, we’ve talked about this for years though. You love this about our shoe. She’s such a petty bitch. Like she’s so fucking petty and this is the pettiest of Taylor Swift moves to meticulously recreate your most successful album even though yeah. [00:13:50] Billions of dollars, millions, hundreds of millions of dollars. Sorry, go on. [00:13:53] Brett: [00:13:53] was a Steven Wright, one liner where he said I guess it was two lines, but he said that [00:14:00] he stole all of his roommates furniture and replace it with exact duplicates. And in the morning his roommate said, Oh man, now I forgot the joke. Anyway, it would have been, this would have been an appropriate joke and a reference to Steven. [00:14:18] It would have been great. It would’ve been, I fucked it up. I fucked it up anyway. Yeah. We talked about Taylor and her rerecording of all these albums a few episodes ago. So this is the fruit of that, huh? [00:14:32] Christina: [00:14:32] Yeah, this is the fruit of that. And I’m pretty impressed with it. Like I said, I don’t, I think that there’s a certain magic that you can’t recreate and there’s like a certain. I don’t know, there’s something even with, if the vocals aren’t as strong, like it might technically be better, but there’s just some sort of effervescence ness of having an 18 year old, recording those songs and then being the diary of her life that you can’t recapture, which is completely okay. [00:14:55] And that’s why I’m glad that the originals are still out there. And ultimately [00:15:00] I think that her long play on this is that she wants to devalue the masters enough that she can buy them, like for blessed than whatever the Holding company paid for them. She doesn’t want to spend $300 million on her old work. [00:15:13] And so she would like to be able to buy them at a discount. And I think that ultimately that would happen and I could totally see if that happens her, then rereleasing dueling versions or some shit, and that would be the money grabbing and people like me will completely eat it up and it’s fine. [00:15:27] But Ben Thompson actually wrote a pretty insightful essay on strategic Marie called non fungible Taylor Swift about kind of the process of what she did and what it means about art and artists and that’s in our show notes and that’s worth The read, I think, but it’s an interesting play. [00:15:48] The most fun part for me, to be honest, even though Twitter was around in 2008, I certainly was not on Taylor Swift Twitter. And I don’t think Taylor Swift Twitter was a thing. And because Twitter was a very [00:16:00] different place. And so what was neat about the release and this was the same with love story. [00:16:05] When that came out was just being able to relive and with a whole bunch of people of different age ranges, reminisce about the song and the album. But what was really fun is that my friend Frank, who is a media reporter at CNN, he’s a really big Taylor Swift fan, but he didn’t get into her until 1989. [00:16:20]That’s his album and he’d never heard fearless before. Like he heard the singles maybe, but he’d never heard the album. And so he was able to experience it for the first time and he was texting me and he was tweeting and that was really. It’s surprisingly fun to see like a whole generation of people, both older people, but also younger people who, were maybe five years old when the original came out who are discovering it for the first time. [00:16:45] I’ve never really heard the album, which is neat to see, like different people discovering this thing. That was very much this product of her when she was 18 years old. And I don’t know, made me think back to what my life was like when that album came out. And I was certainly not 18 years [00:17:00] old, although that is what I will lie and tell people now since I’m 29 forever. [00:17:03]But yeah it’s it’s really interesting. I don’t know if anybody else could have done this the way that she did this except for her. But [00:17:11] Brett: [00:17:11] So I listened to it and like I have very particular Taylor Swift tastes like there are very specific areas of Taylor Swift that I actually enjoy. [00:17:24] Christina: [00:17:24] You liked the 1989 era stuff like that’s. [00:17:26]Brett: [00:17:26] And folklore grew on me, [00:17:28] Christina: [00:17:28] Yes. Oh, I’m glad to hear that. Okay. [00:17:30] Brett: [00:17:30] like I’ll admit, like I’m still very partial to the stuff she did with bone of our, [00:17:36] Christina: [00:17:36] Yeah. Buena bar. Absolutely. [00:17:37]Brett: [00:17:37] But I did not love fearless. [00:17:40] I gave it a listen. I did my due diligence. I even played some of it in the discord chat room. We have a little disco. That’ll play YouTube music for you. I gave it a shot. It’s not my Taylor Swift. [00:17:55] Christina: [00:17:55] Yes, I can totally understand that. Cause she was it’s an 18 year old girl’s diary. [00:18:00] [00:18:00] Brett: [00:18:00] Sure. And I, yeah, we’ve talked about my distaste for young women before. I’ve no Matt Gates. That’s all I’m saying. [00:18:08]Christina: [00:18:08] Bazinga [00:18:10] Brett: [00:18:10] Oh, politics. We did it. [00:18:11] Christina: [00:18:11] Oh, politics. We did it. No, but I was going to no, but I totally get you. And I wouldn’t have expected fearless to be the album for you. I think there are where you’ll start to get in with the rereleases that I think will be more interesting to you would be red. Like red would be the album. [00:18:25] I would want you to listen to, because to me, that’s the one I’m excited for you to hear cause red a it’s my favorite. And I don’t think you’ll love all of it, but I think you’ll like aspects of it because red to me combines the best parts of 1989 and folklore. [00:18:40] Brett: [00:18:40] Okay. I’ll I will anxiously await that. [00:18:44] Christina: [00:18:44] But yeah. But anyway, we had to mention that it’s out there’ve been no shortage of opinions about it as always, but good for her for. Doing the most Taylor Swift thing of all time, which is to meticulously create note for note like your old [00:19:00] work. [00:19:00] Brett: [00:19:00] Their show titled the most Taylor Swift thing of all time took a note. It could happen. Did you know what I learned in my thirties that kind of blew my mind [00:19:09] Christina: [00:19:09] What’s that [00:19:11] Brett: [00:19:11] peanuts aren’t nuts. [00:19:12]Christina: [00:19:12] right there, like yams, [00:19:13] Brett: [00:19:13] Yeah. I didn’t, I never thought twice about that. And then in my thirties, I find out that peanuts are really beans. Yeah. I don’t know why that was on my mind. [00:19:24] Oh. Cause I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch, which I don’t do often anymore, but. [00:19:30] Christina: [00:19:30] that’s a great sandwich. [00:19:31] Brett: [00:19:31] Yeah. It’s if you think about it, it’s a bean salad. If the jelly is the dressing and the peanuts are the bean it’s health food. [00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] it is okay. See you, but now that you put it in that perspective, because I hate beans, but I love peanuts. So I don’t know. Maybe it’s the preparation. [00:19:50]Brett: [00:19:50] So for a long time, I hated tomatoes. Like I could not eat a fresh tomato. It made me gag. I like I would spit it out, but I always loved [00:20:00] marinara sauce. And I always loved ketchup. Both of which have, a, the tomatoes are cooked down till they’re just sweet. And then in the case of cadre up, you had sugar, and vinegar. [00:20:10] And so I re I, I decided that I like tomatoes with enough sweetness. Something shifted for me. I, in the last year I love tomatoes. Now I can eat like raw tomato. It’s crazy. But I do understand that some things you can hate in there, like whole form, but enjoy in there cooked, modified cook, boiled down forms. [00:20:36] Christina: [00:20:36] Yeah, I think for me, beans, it’s largely been a texture thing. And then for some of them, it is a smell thing. Like for some beans, this smell is just one of those things that just, I can’t with it. Like it’s just terrible. But I think it’s largely a texture thing weirdly. I don’t know. [00:20:49] Brett: [00:20:49] I was like that with mushrooms no mushrooms were both smell and texture for me. But then I got obsessed with fungi, guy in general, and just like [00:21:00] from a biological perspective, it’s amazing stuff. And that made me like reconsider my stance on eating mushrooms and that developed to now. [00:21:12] I still don’t love the texture, but now I love mushrooms. [00:21:15]Christina: [00:21:15] Interesting. Interesting. I enjoy the flavor of mushrooms. I like, like what they can add to something. I also don’t love the texture, but if it can be hidden enough in something that I can deal with it, but I would never eat a raw mushroom. That would never be a thing I would do. [00:21:29] Brett: [00:21:29] Oh, I don’t know that I would eat a raw mushroom, but I do like them just lightly fried in a skillet. Yeah. One of the, one of the meals that HelloFresh taught me they should sponsor us I’ve said it before. One of the meals was like it’s, it was like a Philly cheese steak, but instead of steak, it was all just mushrooms. [00:21:48] And so it was like just pile of mushrooms in a sandwich. And I thought, if I’m going to find out, if I really like mushrooms, this is going to be the recipe that does it. And I [00:22:00] loved it. So non fungible, what does that even mean? What does fungible mean? Is that like Fung, fungi? [00:22:07]Christina: [00:22:07] I think that it was more of a response to the whole, like a non fungible token thing, in FTS. [00:22:12] Brett: [00:22:12] Oh, is that what that stands for? I’m afraid. I don’t know what an NFT is. You should enlighten me. [00:22:18]Christina: [00:22:18] It’s magic beans. So that fits with our discussion. It’s basically The way that they explain it, but this isn’t exactly what it is because it’s actually dumber than this is that somebody puts a copy of something on a blockchain and then sells that copy to someone. But because it’s a digital asset, it’s not as if it’s, it couldn’t be copied and then sold or used outside of its blockchain capability. [00:22:44]It’s money laundering is basically what it is. But in truth it’s people pointing to Jason files on a blockchain that go to a server somewhere that linked to a digital asset of some sort okay. Like [00:23:00] dumb it’s money laundering. And I’m actually, I’m only being 50% flip there because I’m convinced that the huge surge and NFT pricing is much like the surge in my doge coin. [00:23:10]It’s just completely. Stupid and unexplainable, but also I think in the case of NFTs, pretty much money laundering. [00:23:19] Brett: [00:23:19] All right. So you sent me this this essay and I feel like it’s worth mentioning do you want to introduce it or should I give my impression of it? So it’s basically, it’s called embrace the grind by Jacob Kaplan Moss and it’s about it starts out talking about the secret to a good magic trick is putting in so much work behind the scenes that no one would assume. [00:23:47] Like a, an amount of work that no one would assume you, you would put in, go beyond that kind of reasonable limit. And then it seems like magic. You’ll always be fooled. If you can assume that [00:24:00] nobody would do that much work. And it it in, in it winds its way through to comparing that, to to programming and and like development in general. [00:24:11] And I love this he, he quotes Larry Walls from the virtues of the programmer defines laziness as the quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you right labor saving programs that other people will find useful and document what you wrote. So you don’t have to answer so many questions about it. [00:24:32]And that really speaks to me. [00:24:35] Christina: [00:24:35] 100%. Yeah, no I really liked the essay. Jacob was one of the co-founders of Django and which, I think is. Is great. And the re I, you’ve used Django, right? Yeah. I love the whole history of that project just as a brief aside, because it can bind my two favorite things, which are media and programming, because it was created while at, I think it was the Lawrence press. [00:24:59] I think that [00:25:00] was the name of it, but it was at a newspaper in Kansas city and they needed a system and he created they created Django, to basically be their system for running their newspaper. And I love that anyway. I really liked the essay and it, I maybe think of you. [00:25:15] And so I was glad that we could talk about it because some of the stuff, cause I could see so many things in that like both the Larry Wall quote that you quoted is the completely you, but also the nature of sometimes what we do and what we automate, is magic, but that sometimes you have to do the work. [00:25:32] Even when it is mundane and tedious and not something that anybody would want to do or thing to do. And that’s how you can get really incredible results. I don’t know. It made me think of you [00:25:44] Brett: [00:25:44] yeah. It’s the idea that it’s laziness that drives me to do a lot of what I do. I like, I see a problem that I know it would be possible through, a significant amount of work [00:26:00] to make that problem automated and make it go away. So I am fine myself, willing to put her in an entire weekend to write one script that will save me the first time I run it, it’ll save me 45 seconds and then I’ll just have to plan to keep using it for the next, year to actually add up, to save the amount of time I invested in it, which is XKCD is a automation graph. [00:26:27] I’ll find the link for that. But I also, I enjoy putting in that work [00:26:31] Christina: [00:26:31] I do too. I do too. I actually, no, I love putting the network and it was funny because the example that he gives, I’ve never done anything quite to that scale of kind of mundanity, but it reminded me it, and it’s always a metadata problem. It always is. At least for me, for some of these tasks where at Mashable, we had to redo our tagging system. [00:26:54] And it was one of those things where like at first the tech team and we’re all looking at ways they can maybe [00:27:00] automate the system and they could maybe do this and that, but then there were false positives and there was other stuff and I was getting frustrated. And so finally I was just like, okay, this is what we’re doing. [00:27:09] And I, I recruited a few people and I was like, we’re going to stay after work for, three or four hours. We’re going to order pizza. We’re going to drink beer. And we are going to by hand, go through the entire archive and clean up the tax [00:27:24] Brett: [00:27:24] you should have called me. I so at two hours before I actually worked for AOL I got frustrated with the fact that people would just randomly tag every post and use different spellings of what should have been the same tag and thereby completely defeat the purpose of tagging. So I wrote an auto tag plugin that would go. [00:27:46] And while you were writing, because in text. Obviously you were writing and it would read your post search, the list of existing tags and suggest tags that already existed, that would apply to the posts you are [00:28:00] writing. I replicated this as a WordPress plugin and and it could also, Oh, once I got the AOL gig and had access to the actual database, I went through and did like automated cleanup across and gadget and the unofficial Apple web blog to consolidate plurals and capitalizations and con like snake case things that were hyphenated. [00:28:24] And like just wrote these scripts, took me probably a week to cause you don’t want to fuck that up. You’re like you’re going right after the main database that runs high traffic sites. So you got to take your time, but I did it and I made that metadata sparkle. [00:28:42] Christina: [00:28:42] Yeah, we had something. I think that it was not as extensive as what you did, but I think that we did have some layer, at least at first where we’d either identified, things that could have been like misspellings or were similar enough, like fuzzy stuff and things that have hyphens versus spaces. [00:28:58] So we had some of that was already [00:29:00] grouped together. So some of that work was done and we didn’t go through the entire, like at that point, I think the site was, I think this was 2012 when we did this. Maybe it’s 2011. I don’t remember. I think it was 2012. At that point that the site was. [00:29:14]Seven years old. And so there was a bunch of stuff in the early stuff. Like anything before, I’d say like 2009, we didn’t care that much about, but there were some things that that we did and it was just, and we kind of group things into, we also I, so we didn’t care about certain things before a certain date because it didn’t matter. [00:29:34] And then there were certain things that we did care a lot about certain categories we wanted to make sure we’re correct in a certain way. And there were focus areas, so it wasn’t like we had to go through every single post, but it was a lot. And the reason being like, they automated as much as they could. [00:29:50] And they did co combined. So that if you went to a tag page for either like the words together or separated by a comma or a dash, or not a comment but like a dash [00:30:00] or whatever, like both would show up. So that was already done in, in the rejects and the redirects, but we needed to make sure that stuff that might not have been tagged. [00:30:08] Appropriately at all got tagged. And that’s something that you couldn’t automate. That was something that there were, in some cases, people just didn’t tack stuff and didn’t put things in the raw and the proper, orders and whatnot. And we couldn’t find a tech problem around it. And it was getting so frustrated. [00:30:21] I was like, okay, we’re, I recruited a handful of people and I was like, we’re just going to order in food and drink and do this. And we did it and then had a really good and well enforced system going forward. It was well enforced for a number of years then as there was churn, people didn’t enforce the tagging system as well. [00:30:44]But w which is always the case. That’s always a problem, like with metadata was stuff like that. It’s ongoing. You have to be like ongoingly, like vigilant with that, but. [00:30:52] Brett: [00:30:52] automated. [00:30:52]Christina: [00:30:52] That’s why you automated, but what I mean is you’re bringing new people in. This is my point. If you’re bringing new people in, you have to, they need to know the way [00:31:00] of doing stuff. [00:31:00] Cause if someone doesn’t add attack to something, then that you can’t automate around that [00:31:06] Brett: [00:31:06] Okay. So you can though, I have scripts that go through the content STEM, all of the words, remove all the stop words and then any significant word that’s left gets compared against existing tags and uses external services to categorize and sentiment analysis. To add tags automatically. Sure. [00:31:28]A little bit, but you can make it so that a new person coming in forgets to tag and at least the bare minimum of obvious ties get added to their post for them [00:31:37]Christina: [00:31:37] fair enough. Although I would argue still, and I think that this is like. Part of the, doing the work thing. Cause it’s awesome that you can do that and you can build that, but I would still argue that it would be, and this is me less true to the blog post and more true to the XKCD thing that the much better resource is just to train people well about how to do tags. Yeah, but I think that if you make it as part of the [00:32:00] process, you can do things where it can auto tax stuff, but auto-tagging can also go horribly awry because you might [00:32:04] Brett: [00:32:04] the very least. So you need auto-complete. The CMS has to, you should be able to start typing any tag and it should always finish it with an existing tag for you. If a site’s been around for seven years with the amount of content that Mashable has, you absolutely have that tag [00:32:20] Christina: [00:32:20] And yeah, no. And we had that, we had an auto-complete thing. And so that, that worked, the problem was and this was something that they did with the automation was that if you had something misspelled in, the spelling would often come up really high. And so if you’re not paying super close attention, then it’s tagged the wrong thing. [00:32:35] Or there are duplicate tags. Like we used to use one tag or something that we started using another, like at one point you’re using FB and for Facebook, and then another time it’s Facebook and those are the sorts of things that even with automation, they can mean different things and they can have different contexts. [00:32:49] Google plus was a really hard one because the plus Mark would wreak havoc on stuff. It wreaks havoc for Google itself. And so we had Google dash plus G plus, Google plus as is [00:33:00] to work like that was a nightmare in and of itself to work out. Anyway, it had me thinking about that. [00:33:04] And then early in my Microsoft career, I wasn’t on that team for very long. They were going through a similar, like metadata, just massive problem. And again, they were automating it and they were trying to go through the system and we’re reaching a point where they were doing all the things you were talking about, but there was certain stuff with just the way that some things had to be machine tacked. [00:33:24] And some things had to be hand tagged and stuff was just not working well. And I broach the subject and I don’t think they ever did it in the team doesn’t exist anymore. But I was like, they’re only like the number of pieces of content. Wasn’t that tremendous. Like it wasn’t certainly, it wasn’t the size of the Mashable database where I was like, we could just go through this and fix this stuff. [00:33:49] And then set up the going forward, complete auto debit system, right? Going forward, it can be done the right way, but for all your past stuff, you need to go back and clean it [00:34:00] up. Which with edge cases and whatnot and the way that those systems all worked, which were built by various people and vendors and stuff over many years would have been a nightmare to try to fix the usual ways. [00:34:14]I still stand by it. I was like, this is going to be a slog with this should be how you fix it. Cause, cause even reading cause I reading Jacobs, example of what he did to get their ticket system under control, knowing you, I knew in your mind, you’re thinking, Oh, I could have come up with ways to do that without doing what he did, which is printing them all out on the floor and co-leading them and whatnot. [00:34:35] And maybe you could have, but I wonder if it would have been any faster or [00:34:39] Brett: [00:34:39] wouldn’t have liked the amount of parsing I would have to do to categorize and find duplicates. [00:34:45]Christina: [00:34:45] Exactly. So at some time, so in some cases you just need to give up the ghost and be like, okay, we’re going to sit here with some wine or we’re going to print stuff out on the floor and do it. [00:34:55] Brett: [00:34:55] No, I miss drinking. Both bug hunting was so much more fun [00:35:00] with with booze. Yeah. So go to Bunche, app.co I in, in, in anticipation of making bunch of commercial app, I redesigned the whole website [00:35:11] Christina: [00:35:11] Ooh. Oh, it looks so good. [00:35:14] Brett: [00:35:14] thanks. I wrote a bunch of the carousel on the homepage. It’s a custom plugin. [00:35:19] And then the call-outs all if you don’t have a rubber, one of the call-outs they cert like cycling and then if you hover over one, it stops the cycle and then picks it back up. When you move your Mazda little stuff like that, I spent way too much time on, but. [00:35:33] Christina: [00:35:33] you did. What did you build this on? Is this a Jekyll or [00:35:35] Brett: [00:35:35] Yeah, it’s a Jackal, a Jekyll and a bunch of markdown files. It started as a theme called just the docs, but I customize it so far that it’s my own thing now. But if you go into the docs, the amount of documentation I’ve written is insane. Open up the bunch files section [00:35:55] Christina: [00:35:55] I’m here. Oh my God. [00:35:57]Brett: [00:35:57] it’s. Yeah. And there’s subsections [00:36:00] within substance. [00:36:01] Christina: [00:36:01] running Apple script, running workflows. This is really great. [00:36:03] Brett: [00:36:03] check this out. Because there’s so much documentation, it’s really easy to lose when I add new stuff. So if you go to the change log and Epic the top, there’s a recently updated documentation. You can drop that down. It uses get, when I publish a new release of bunch, I use get flow and I create a release. [00:36:26] I tag a release and then when I generate the website it has a plugin that goes in and checks the files changed in the last commit to the main branch, which would [00:36:38] Christina: [00:36:38] Oh my God. [00:36:39] Brett: [00:36:39] tab. [00:36:40] Christina: [00:36:40] Yeah. And then you can view the diff I’m looking at this. This is awesome. [00:36:43] Brett: [00:36:43] Yeah. It works really well. It’s a super fast way to see like what’s new and change and jump right to the documentation. [00:36:51]I’m very proud of it. [00:36:53] Christina: [00:36:53] That’s awesome. I love that. [00:36:56] Brett: [00:36:56] Oh, also the stars plugin that we run on [00:37:00] overtired pod.com to show your stars. I publicly released that as a plugin. I rewrote it. Couple of times actually. But now it actually does update once an hour. It doesn’t update every time, the page loads, but once an hour it refreshes the data and God damn, I made it look great. [00:37:19] Christina: [00:37:19] Yeah, you did. That’s awesome. I’m like, I love that. Is that on your GitHub or where is [00:37:23]Brett: [00:37:23] It’s only on my blog. I was gonna put it on a, I was going to put it right into the WordPress plugins repository directory but it still uses subversion and I refuse to install subversion, like I’m so done with SVM. [00:37:40] Christina: [00:37:40] Oh, I know. I know, honestly. Okay. Thank you for saying this because this is no. The fact that you won’t release it in the repository because of that, because. They’ve been arguing for about eight years, at least about trying to move WordPress off of SVN. And a [00:38:00] lot of the thing has been that there are certain stuff that they use, but track that is SB and base and this and that and there’s other stuff, but what doesn’t get enough attention is now the new barrier to entry for anybody to actually publish in their ecosystem. [00:38:13] And so this might be something that I can like point to people who I know in that community and be like, Hey, just one anecdote. I know it’s not going to change any hearts or minds, but just as an anecdote, this is something that was cool. That was too much effort and too much horror for someone to submit to the repository. [00:38:33] So they put it on their own website instead [00:38:36] Brett: [00:38:36] Mind that it’s a pretty dumb plugin. [00:38:39] Christina: [00:38:39] it is, but it doesn’t matter. [00:38:41] Brett: [00:38:41] off. Is it worth dealing with as VN to. [00:38:44]Christina: [00:38:44] You’re completely correct. But the thing is that even if it was an important plugin, would, do you want to jump through those hoops? That’s the thing. And I think that this is where, like the WordPress people to me, bike shed and get obsessive over the stupidest shit. [00:38:58] And don’t realize it’s okay, [00:39:00] on the high end customizability, and you’re losing the static site generators on the lower end, Squarespace is eating your lunch. You still have 40% of the web, but come on guys, like you’re losing stuff. You shouldn’t be losing here because you refuse to update your tooling. [00:39:16] Brett: [00:39:16] I am going to in the show notes, there’s a link to get hub action that will deploy a plugin to the WordPress. [00:39:26] Christina: [00:39:26] Yeah. I think that is it from 10 up to 10 up do this. [00:39:29]Brett: [00:39:29] Yes. [00:39:30] Christina: [00:39:30] Okay, great. Then Helen did this. I was going to say, okay, awesome. Yeah. [00:39:33] Brett: [00:39:33] So it’s still, even, this was just too much set up for as dumb as my little plugin is it was too much set up, but there does exist a way. If you’re going to make, a decent plugin, you can host it on, get hub and get hub can automatically export it to the repository for you. [00:39:53] Christina: [00:39:53] God bless Helen and the tennis team because [00:39:56] Brett: [00:39:56] is up? Should I know more about 10 up. [00:39:58] Christina: [00:39:58] yeah, 10 up is cool. They [00:40:00] are a, full-time like a, like very big like WordPress agency. And they also so they build a bunch of big things. If you go to their website, it’s the number 10 iupy.com like you did Politico and five 38, and MotorTrend, they’ve worked with a bunch of big brands, but they also are really interesting, I think in so far as they like have people who they allow to w. [00:40:25] Do their full-time job as working on open source. Like I think Helen’s full-time job. She’s like the core lead developer of WordPress. And she, that is like her full-time job and tenant pays for that. And which is why she can do things like understanding. She works on ecosystem. She’s been like a release lead and other stuff in the project. [00:40:44] She knows those politics very well, but she also sometimes has the opportunity, through her employer to be like, okay, if the, minutia nations of the open source project and the governance around wordpress.org are going to be the way that they are, then I can find [00:41:00] these solutions because we as tenants need these plugins and need these things. [00:41:03] So we can create a good hub action to make this easier for everyone and contribute it, open source. They’ve been around, I think, about a decade and I I know a few of the people who work there and they’re good people and I, when you said that, I was like, I bet that’s a TenUp thing. [00:41:19] Cause that seemed like something that Helen would definitely create and do, but yeah they’re cool people like if you need a, I don’t know anything about what they charge. I assume it’s a lot, but if you’re a business who’s looking for a really customizable and really solid like WordPress solution. 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[00:43:25] Brett: [00:43:25] Hi. Hi. I was waiting. I was biding my time. I feel like I actually got a, I got a good segue in, and it wasn’t like 20 minutes after the point where it would have been relevant. [00:43:37] Christina: [00:43:37] No, you nailed it. [00:43:38] Brett: [00:43:38] Nailed it. Nailed it just for your ritual, [00:43:41]Christina: [00:43:41] Love it. [00:43:42] Brett: [00:43:42] bringing my best to the game. You’re you’re you’re doing some new stuff or you’re considering some key cap stuff. [00:43:49] Christina: [00:43:49] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I’ve been going down this whole rabbit hole of the mechanical keyboard world and man, a, this hobby is entirely too expensive. [00:44:00] Like people always talk about that, but wow. Like I had no idea and I’m not going to be one of those people who really gets into the key CA like into buying a lot of the key cap stuff, because it’s just or the keyboard stuff in general, because it’s just incredibly expensive and just I am too ADHD. [00:44:16] I will lose interest. You know what I mean? But I’ve been like, so the way that the key cap sets work, and I didn’t realize this, there are a handful of key cap manufacturers that are considered high quality. So there’s some fairly low quality, Chinese made ones and some of them are good, but there are a handful that are considered really high quality. [00:44:36] And for people who want to do their own customized, key cap set the two biggest ones would be signature plastics, which is based in Washington state, but very close to Canada. And then GMK, which is based in Germany. And then there’s I think E PBT is another one. I’m not going to get into all the all the variants, but I was looking at what would go into, okay. [00:44:56] I had an idea for maybe a color theme of what would be a good looking key cap set? How would [00:45:00] that work? And the process is interesting. And what tends to happen is that people. Create, what are known as interest checks or they get like feedback forums and they come up with kind of their designs and their colors using the available colors from the available, manufacturers. [00:45:16] And then they create what the layout would look like. And then they create renders of what that would look like on, different keyboards and with different key profiles and that sort of thing. And then they submit interest checks and see how many people will be interested in those things. And if enough people are interested, then the small number of key cap sellers will be willing to say, okay, we will front the money. [00:45:42] Or we will be the person who placed the order with the key cap manufacturer. Something will happen called a group buy where you need to hit a certain number to, for it to be successful. If it’s successful, then you place an order with one of those manufacturers. And then a year later you get your [00:46:00] keycaps. [00:46:00] Brett: [00:46:00] Yeah, I follow a couple of these on a, on Instagram, mostly just to watch, but they’re constantly posting renders for that purpose to get the the interest check. [00:46:11] Christina: [00:46:11] Yeah. I, you mentioned this because you noticed some things that I had starred and on my get hub and it was weird cause I was going down this rabbit hole and I didn’t even realize this, but Tim Vandam, who is one of my favorite designers ever has recently launched his own envy KB website where he is showing his work in progress for some of his different key cap sets Tim was really big and an icon and in web design space in in the late odds early tens and it’s still, a great designer and guy, but I literally ran across. [00:46:42] I’m going to put that in our show notes about his Thing that shows some of his interest checks in the show notes too in bkb.com, which is a great name because Maxwell tar is a Twitter handle and an online nom de plume. And so some of the stuff that he’s running interest checks are really good. [00:46:57]But yeah I’ve thought about it. Like my friend, [00:47:00] Sarah made a really great visual studio code theme, and I’ve been thinking about trying to get with her and be like, Hey, what if we turn that theme into a key for design. [00:47:07]Brett: [00:47:07] Aye. Like I love putting together a key cap sets. I wish like drop, always has like group buys on key cap sets and they have some really cool ones, but because I use the ultimate hacking keyboard, which has a bizarre layout like all of the, I can’t, I, if I’m going to build a full key cap set, I have to cuss I have to custom print, like the caps lock the enter key. [00:47:36] Like none of them are any standard size that you would find in any keyboard set. So I have to custom print about five different keys and getting custom printing that matches whatever fancy key cap set you bought is nearly impossible, which means then in order to get a matching set, I ended up custom printing things like the left shift key, [00:48:00] even though that I could find that in a set, but I can’t make it match the tab and caps lock key. [00:48:07] So in order to get everything matching, it’s a lot of custom printing. And like some of the two, the angles, the are one through four or whatever it is. Like that’s all weird on this keyboard too, which makes it almost impossible. It’s frustrating. [00:48:21]Christina: [00:48:21] So this now has me thinking. I’m going to investigate this more. I’m putting this in my notes for things to, to do what it would take for us to, if we were interested to maybe come up with an overtired branded set, we could put out an interest check for it. We can put it on all the places after we did our due diligence and maybe see if we could get enough interest and get a group buy. [00:48:42] And then at the very least you could have one that would be, made from the get-go for all of your key caps. [00:48:47] Brett: [00:48:47] All in white letters. Purple modifier. Keys [00:48:51] Christina: [00:48:51] Okay. And what’s cool. Okay. Here’s what would be cool about that? Is that the theme that Sarah her vs code theme is purple themed. So maybe this would be a way to, to [00:49:00] do kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. I’m going to look into this now. [00:49:03]Brett: [00:49:03] showed up. She’s biting my she’s biting my mic cable right now. [00:49:09] Christina: [00:49:09] Sarah is Sarah is the ESCO team is called night owl, by the way. [00:49:12] Brett: [00:49:12] NightOwl all I am so obsessed with Nord right now. Ha have you seen the stars plugin? I use the Nord color palette for that. [00:49:20] Christina: [00:49:20] Yeah I love the Nord color palette. It’s great. [00:49:22] Brett: [00:49:22] I, in fact, if you look@thebunchapp.co, I lifted a lot of Nord colors. I like the whole thing’s built in SAS. So like I can just change one variables filing and redo the colors for the whole site. So I just did test punched in the Nord colors and I liked it so much. I kept it. [00:49:44] Christina: [00:49:44] Yeah, I’ve been using synth wave 84 for about two years now and that’s one of my favorites, but I love the Nord theme as well. [00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] I have to look up synth wave 84. [00:49:54]Christina: [00:49:54] Panic basically adapted it, like they worked with the guy who created it as one of their themes in [00:50:00] Nova. [00:50:00]Brett: [00:50:00] Cool. Cool. I’m going to, Oh yeah. As far as dark themes go, that one’s pretty good. I’m not a fan of, I’m not a fan of the reddish background. [00:50:12]Christina: [00:50:12] Yeah. And you might not like the glow of faculty, you can turn that [00:50:15] Brett: [00:50:15] I do the glow effect. I use the glow effect all the time. [00:50:19] Christina: [00:50:19] Yeah. The glow effect is really cool. [00:50:20] Brett: [00:50:20] I often, Oh man. On the blues for the, like the functions that looks really good. Yeah, I’m gonna. [00:50:27] Christina: [00:50:27] Yeah, no, it’s pretty awesome. There might be things you want to adapt with that, but yeah. And drop has a key cap set. It just went up for group. I, again, it won’t be out for a year, but I’ve been wanting it. It’s a there’s a key cap designer’s name is Mito and just dropped like the essay laser. [00:50:41]So essay being the key caps profile and an essay is one of the exclusive profiles of signature plastics, which is one of the, he kept makers. I learned these are all things I’ve learned in like the last two weeks, Brett. I’ve really fallen down this whole world, but I I just got this, I just put in for it. [00:50:58] I just was like, [00:51:00] screw it. There’s in a year I’ll have some really great looking keycaps. [00:51:04] Brett: [00:51:04] Nice. Before we go, I like, I keep putting like apps I want to talk about on our lists. If we get to them, there’s one that I do want to mention because it won’t take long wrong. There’s a new Mac iOS plugin, like an extension called peak, and it gives, do you remember up until 25 15, how you could run a defaults command and make texts in a quick look, preview collectible, and then in 2015, Apple curtailed that and ever since then, if you drag your mouse across like a text preview, it just moves the window peak brings back text selection. [00:51:45] It also does source code syntax highlighting and markdown rendering, which there are free alternatives to do both of those things. So the thing I love is the text selection. Now I can copy and paste texts out of quick look, previews of texts and sources, [00:52:00] files, and markdown files. And it is it’s worth the eight bucks to me to [00:52:06] Christina: [00:52:06] Oh, yeah, no, I love this. And, okay, so this is in the Mac app store. It’s $8 and it’s a quick look extension, [00:52:13]Brett: [00:52:13] Yeah. [00:52:14] Christina: [00:52:14] which is awesome. [00:52:15] Brett: [00:52:15] somehow they got it into the Mac app store because I’m pretty sure to [00:52:19] Christina: [00:52:19] app that has [00:52:21] Brett: [00:52:21] well, I’m pretty sure to accomplish this dark magic. They’re actually putting up a preview in front of the preview in the quick look. And either that, or they’re using private API, but however they did it, it’s fully fully made it through app store security. [00:52:39] And like I was talking to the developer and he basically, they’re being very careful about what apps they let it work inside of because there are potential security concerns with however it is they’re doing it. Cause cause who to spot just added selectable texts and their internal quick look preview. [00:52:59] And [00:53:00] ironically enough, if you’re running peak and it takes over the preview inside of who to spot, then you can’t select texts at all. Even though you have two things piled on top of each other, both of which are supposed to allow it, but that is supposed to be fixed in the next release of peak. [00:53:17]Christina: [00:53:17] Yeah. This is awesome. And I’m interested in what he did here too. I’m now looking at the Reddit thread that, that kind of like talks about this. And of course the first comment is QL color codes are free, quick look, plugin for syntax highlighting. It’s motherfucker, this is not what this is. [00:53:34] This is where this is. This is because [00:53:36] Brett: [00:53:36] sure I’d even use his QL color code. Like it’s [00:53:38] Christina: [00:53:38] I’m sure that it does. Oh, I’m sure that it does, but it’s this is all about like the banning of enable text selection, right? This is a different thing, asshole. [00:53:47] Brett: [00:53:47] Yeah. The syntax highlighting and markdown rendering are just nice to have. And it’s nice to have those both in one plugin, [00:53:53] Christina: [00:53:53] Exactly [00:53:54] Brett: [00:53:54] that’s just nice, [00:53:56] Christina: [00:53:56] so I’m just like laughing like this, the number one thing. And it’s and then somebody follows up to be [00:54:00] fair. That’s only one small part of what this app claims to do. And then he’s at negative one votes. Reddit is fucking trash, man. Like I’m telling you like the Mac apps separate it. [00:54:08] Also the Apple, cetera are full of the most fucking imbecilic people. I’m going to hear from people on on our discord now. But I can’t even with that I love the Apple community. I love the mock-up community. And those two separate it’s drive me freaking bonkers because a anybody who says anything, even remotely critical of something that Apple has ever done is treated like they’re the plague. [00:54:31] And I’m like, okay, When did you get an iPhone? Cause you’ve never used a Mac clearly. And you’ve probably been an iPhone user for two years. Shut up. Like you’re not even part of this community, like fuck off. And then the other thing, like the Mac app thing is people like that here. Ooh this other thing that is not even what this does is free. [00:54:46] It’s dude, shut up. Like it’s why people don’t build better stuff because people are go to this free ones available. It’s like you, people aren’t even Mac users shut up. All right. That’s my rant [00:54:59] Brett: [00:54:59] Yeah. [00:55:00] Yeah. I don’t mind paying for things if they’re done better than the free [00:55:05] Christina: [00:55:05] agreed. 100%. I like to pay for things if it’s better than the free version. And I love free shit. Like I love people who do those projects and I love to support them when I can. My beef is with people who are like, Oh, this is free. And I’m like, bro, first of all, this is the Mac community. Like we have a long history of supporting our indie devs. [00:55:25] Second of all, that’s not even what this is fuck off anyway. Sorry. That’s my rant. [00:55:29]Brett: [00:55:29] Yeah. All so that brings us to the end of the show. That was a pretty classic episode. I feel like we didn’t go as deep into politics as we sometimes do. [00:55:40] Christina: [00:55:40] No, we purposely avoided it. I’m real glad because everything that’s been happening in the world is pretty terrible. And I don’t want to talk about it. [00:55:46]Brett: [00:55:46] Biden did promise to have all troops out of Afghanistan by September. So there’s that anyway, [00:55:53] Christina: [00:55:53] that’s great. But anyway. [00:55:54] Brett: [00:55:54] not going to do that. [00:55:56] Christina: [00:55:56] yeah. I just, I don’t want to, yeah. I, in fairness [00:56:00] I’m like, I apologize if people come here for that, but [00:56:03] Brett: [00:56:03] I [00:56:04] Christina: [00:56:04] I don’t want to talk about that. [00:56:05] Brett: [00:56:05] I don’t think anyone comes here for the news. [00:56:08] Christina: [00:56:08] No, I don’t think so. You have a lot of other places you can go to do that. And I think that that’s fine. [00:56:12] Brett: [00:56:12] We don’t aim to fill that gap. [00:56:14]Christina: [00:56:14] We don’t we aim to be like your like mental health pop culture programming, like gap Taylor Swift. Yes, exactly. We were Taylor Swift podcast first and foremost, and then all those other things secondary, but yeah, no, I think this was good. Last week. We were not great. And that was totally on me, but I feel like this was a good classic episode. [00:56:33] Brett: [00:56:33] If you if you want to have your review read, live on, over-tired go leave one on iTunes. [00:56:40]Christina: [00:56:40] Yes, please do. [00:56:43]Brett: [00:56:43] We hope everyone gets some sleep, but Christina, get some sleep.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Christina Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]You are listening to over tired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra, Brett, how are you? [00:00:11] Brett: [00:00:11] I am so like right before we started this podcast, like this exact recording, I was buried in like building a whole new website for a bunch from scratch. And as an ADHD person who gets hyper-focused, it’s really hard for me to let go yeah. To switch tracks. So I’m working on that right now. [00:00:37] Christina: [00:00:37] Okay. All right. I appreciate that. And, and, and, um, and we’ll, we’ll, we’ll talk about some of your code stuff a little bit later, unless, um, I mean, we could skip breaths, um, mental health corner and go straight to Brett’s coding corner, if that would help you transition. But I don’t know. [00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] We’ll make that, uh, we’ll, we’ll see where we’re at at the 45 minute Mark. And if we want to dig into. [00:01:00] Like the inner workings of Brett’s code brain at that point. That’s fine. But for right now, we’ll stick with our kind of the usual topics. [00:01:07] Christina: [00:01:07] Yeah, that sounds good. So mental health corner update. [00:01:12] Brett: [00:01:12] Yeah. How are you? [00:01:13]Christina: [00:01:13] I’m okay. I’ve been, I don’t know this, the whole, this whole thing is just getting to me. It’s been kind of a shitty week to be honest, but but I’m okay. I did volunteer yesterday again, Adam, the, uh, place [00:01:26] Brett: [00:01:26] a nation clinic. [00:01:27] Christina: [00:01:27] Yeah. And that was, that was really cool. [00:01:29]We gave 8,000 doses and I made the mistake of signing up for an afternoon shift and ended up having to stay about an hour and a half after. Should have been there because the line for people to get in, and some people were waiting in line for two hours outside to get inside. And traffic apparently was really bad getting down to the stadium because there was also a Mariners game happening. [00:01:53] So the Mariners are the Seattle baseball team and where the VAX clinic is happening is it’s taking place at the [00:02:00] larger lumen field, which is the, where the Seahawks, the football team play. And so it’s not actually, like it’s an outdoor stadium, so they’re not doing the vaccinations outside, but there’s like a theater kind of area that’s attached to the stadium. [00:02:12] That’s big. And like they have, college graduations and stuff like that there. And so that is where people are. Having the, that the spreader doing the vaccination stuff. And but they’re right across the street from one another. So like the football stadium and the baseball stadium are literally across the street from one another. [00:02:29] So when you have, were, they got 8,000 doses that they were giving out throughout the day. So you had that many people coming in and then the baseball game. And then I don’t know if there was some sort of other holdup, but traffic was apparently really, really bad. So things were sort of backed up and then the line to get in, it was like some people, like the very last people that we were helping, it was like, people were, had been in line for two hours, which is crazy, but also, [00:02:57] Brett: [00:02:57] bad as voting. [00:02:58]Christina: [00:02:58] Yeah, but [00:03:00] honestly, I don’t want to say more important, but I’m going to say more important. [00:03:04]Brett: [00:03:04] Yeah, I guess you could argue that either way, [00:03:08] Christina: [00:03:08] either way. I think you could go that way. I think that the reason I will say more important is because it’s 16 and up and you have to be 18 to vote. And, and also there’s not a residency requirement, you know what I mean? Like vaccination is for everybody. I don’t know. Um, but, but I could see, I would be open to the other argument as well. [00:03:29] I’m not like committed to it so yeah, that was cool. It was, it was nice. I was just doing data entry stuff. So I would sit with, you know, the person who’s giving this shot and enter in all the information. And that was nice, to be able to kind of help. It was nice to see so many people out there because I’ve been worried. [00:03:45] You know, we talked before about. Like you were able to get your appointment relatively quickly, which was great. But some people in some places have been having an easier time getting appointments. Not because the supply is better, but because people are like [00:04:00] not wanting to get vaccinated, which is concerning. [00:04:03]So it’s good, to have that much of a line for that many doses. Um, how, uh, how, how are things with you? Like mental health wise? Have you been like any like manic or depressive spirals? [00:04:15] Brett: [00:04:15] like just stable that two and a half milligrams, which in my dosage was I, my doctor was right. I kind of scoffed at the idea that two and a half milligrams of anything could really matter, but she, she nailed it. [00:04:31] Christina: [00:04:31] Hell. Yeah, that’s awesome. That’s really, really good. Any, uh, anything on the job update? [00:04:36] Brett: [00:04:36] No, I just checked in with them today. It’s still going through like all of the internal processing and I’ll admit I’m a little nervous. I live in an independent world where things are a little more agile and uh, yeah, if something takes a couple of weeks, I start to think something’s going on. [00:04:55] Christina: [00:04:55] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, living in like kind of a corporate world, I know how slow stuff can be, but I [00:05:00] also, that doesn’t change. It doesn’t make it any better. Like I’m not somehow more comfortable at like, I somehow don’t feel like, Oh, this is great. You know, like, or everything’s okay. Because of, um, how long somebody could take, you know what I mean? [00:05:14]Brett: [00:05:14] Did you know, object impermanence is uh, listed as both for autism and ADHD, a symptom. This is the, okay. So the reason I went down this sudden tangent is the idea like when you’re traveling, do you have to like repeatedly check to make sure the tickets in your bag or open your phone and make sure you have it, like in the wallet? No, I do once I’ve checked once or twice, I can convince myself, I don’t need to check anymore, but, uh, but I was talking with Al and we have that kind of in common, the nagging once you can’t see something, the need to find it and make sure it’s actually there, which also ties into how I [00:06:00] lose shit all the time. [00:06:01] Christina: [00:06:01] Totally. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. I don’t really have that. Although there are, but I know plenty of people who it’s interesting. I feel like that I can see that being a symptom of both. For, for both of those, like ADHD, autism, but also OCD and stuff. But I know people who I would consider very neuro-typical who have that too. [00:06:21] Um, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t have that. Um, it is one of those things. Like I make sure that I check before I leave, but I, but I lose shit all the time. Like sunglasses and me are I’m famous for losing sunglasses and I’m not talking about cheap sunglasses. Like I’m talking about like expensive, like Ray-Bans, and then I’m very mad at myself. [00:06:41] I had like a really, really good streak with a pair of Ray-Bans where I had them for like three years. No, not three years, like two and a half years, almost three years. And then I lost them. And after that, like I was going [00:07:00] through significant numbers of pears. I’ve most recently lost my Apple watch and I don’t know where it is. [00:07:05] Yeah. And, and it’s somewhere in my house. I don’t know. I remember doing something with the band and I thought that I put it on its charger and I didn’t, and I couldn’t find it yesterday. And this is because I don’t wear my watch every day now. And I have another one. And if I need to, you know, if I can’t find it or whatever, but it’s, it’s still like that one’s frustrating to me. [00:07:24] So I don’t have probably, but it’s, it’s been so long since I realized I lost it, that [00:07:31] Brett: [00:07:31] have a charge to [00:07:32] Christina: [00:07:32] it doesn’t have a charge. Exactly. So, so it’d be worthless. Um, this is the problem, but yeah, I don’t have that object in permanence thing. Although I probably should ingratiate that in myself for things like sunglasses and like earphones, I don’t know that I should have it, but I don’t like, usually. [00:07:49] Like my passport and stuff like that. Like I know that that’s in my person. The thing that I have sometimes is that somebody will hand me like a piece of paper and I’ll know it’s important and I’ll put it away and then I’ll [00:08:00] suddenly not be able to find it. And usually it’s okay. But there are times where I’m like, what did I just do with that? [00:08:07] Brett: [00:08:07] I don’t lose stuff that I use frequently. Like I, I have tiles on my keys and in my wallet, I’ve never had to ring them. Like I always know. Where my sunglasses, my keys, my wallet, stuff that I use more than once a week. I always know exactly where I left it. Anything beyond that, like trying to find my, my taxes, like all the forms from independent contractor stuff, they came in, I put them somewhere. [00:08:37] I thought these were important. I’ll put them somewhere. I’ll remember. I don’t know. I had to ask for more. Right. I had to ask people to like resend them because they’re around here somewhere, but. [00:08:48] Christina: [00:08:48] Yeah. I mean, I, I’m kind of the opposite in, in, in, in a weird way. Like it’s the stuff that I use frequently that I will have to figure out where it is. And then it’s the other stuff that I will usually, if I’m putting it in a safe place, [00:09:00] like I’m committing it to memory. Although there are some things where I’m like, I know where it was, but I don’t mind not know where that thing is. [00:09:06] Right. Like there there’s like a folio that I have that has my social security card, my birth certificate and, and, um, things like that. But I don’t know where that is at the moment. Um, for tax stuff, I try to just have everybody give it to me digitally [00:09:21]Brett: [00:09:21] Before I pull off a perfect segue. Do you want to, you want to hear a three-year-old review of this podcast, [00:09:28] Christina: [00:09:28] Yes, I do. [00:09:28] Brett: [00:09:28] a dramatization. This is from Zuora early and, and I, I, I don’t, I read our reviews so infrequently that this went three years before I noticed it, but it’s wheelie says it’s not that there’s anything quote, unquote, wrong with this podcast. [00:09:46] Think the couple sounds like nice people they’re unbelievably boring to listen to over tired really is the perfect title because it’s like they haven’t slept in or in a dream half-awake state just rambling on about nothing in particular. I [00:10:00] want to give it one star because I got absolutely nothing of value out of this podcast. [00:10:04] Nothing even vaguely entertaining, but I give them two stars for at least trying. I mean, people who try are worth and then it just ends. [00:10:13]Christina: [00:10:13] wow. Oh my God. I feel so seen. [00:10:17] Brett: [00:10:17] Yeah. So like everyone listening, I don’t care if it’s a one-star review, just write something intriguing. Cause honestly it’s, it’s entertaining. [00:10:29]Christina: [00:10:29] That was such a good roast. [00:10:32] Brett: [00:10:32] Yeah. I mean, I, I’m not going to argue. [00:10:35] Christina: [00:10:35] No, I’m not even, [00:10:36] Brett: [00:10:36] We’re tired. [00:10:37] Christina: [00:10:37] I’m not even remotely mad. Like that was really good. [00:10:40]Brett: [00:10:40] Yeah. I didn’t take it personally. And I wasn’t sure if it was because it was so old, I didn’t care anymore. Or if just honestly, You know, it’s okay. It’s okay. You can hate something. I mean, honestly, to me, if you dislike something that much, you just don’t listen to it again, you don’t go leave a shitty review, but [00:11:00] you know, [00:11:00] Christina: [00:11:00] mean, [00:11:00] Brett: [00:11:00] a place for that. [00:11:01] Christina: [00:11:01] I don’t know. Like I would be, I think the reason I’m not mad at that and like, it genuinely doesn’t bother me. It kind of tickles me is because like, There’s some truth in that, like, that’s not a bad review. Like I’m, I’m fairly self-aware and I’m like, yeah, that doesn’t really hurt me too much because there’s some truth in that the ones that would get that get me are the ones that are either trying really hard to be mean. [00:11:25] And that one really wasn’t like, you know, there are ones that can be really mean about talking about what your voice sounds like or what your face is or this or that. You know what I mean? Like that’s the [00:11:36] Brett: [00:11:36] that make it super personal. Yeah. [00:11:38] Christina: [00:11:38] yeah. But like, there was nothing personal in that and it wasn’t, um, bad. Like I’m, I’m not, I’m not mad at it. [00:11:46] Like I feel sufficiently called out and I’m like, yeah, you know what? We’re not for everybody. And that’s okay. There are, there are people who continue to listen to us week after week, and we appreciate you and who don’t feel that way, but [00:12:00] I’m not going to argue with people who do find that you do have that opinion, like Marshall and thank you for listening and writing a review, honestly. [00:12:08] Brett: [00:12:08] We, uh, we have that’s the most recent review we have. No one has, no one has reviewed this show since we like took a year off and came back. [00:12:16] Christina: [00:12:16] okay. So that is the one that is the one thing before we go into our, what would have been a perfect segue, uh, ads break thing, um, that I will call out as a request for our listeners, please leave a review. It doesn’t have to be five star Wars. It doesn’t have to be one-star. Although those are our two favorites, it can be two, it can be three, it can be four, whatever, but please leave a review. [00:12:37] And as long as it doesn’t get super personal, where, you know, you’re kind of like, ouch, that hurts my feelings. And even if you want to do that, I’m going to be honest. I will take it, but like, let’s get a review that’s more recent than three years. Cause that’s all I would really like, just so people know, Hey, this is still going and there are solicitors. [00:12:55] We promise. Sorry. I was just really hot on the mic there. Um, I felt that, [00:13:00] sorry. Um, but you know, there, there are still listeners, please, please let us, uh, Let people know. [00:13:08] Brett: [00:13:08] I know for a fact, we have listeners, our sponsors tell us that we have pretty strong ad sales, so there must be people listening and we must be selling the shit out of some stuff. [00:13:20]Christina: [00:13:20] Yeah. Which is great. So we appreciate you. [00:13:23] Brett: [00:13:23] We’re just pros at this. Um, on my last episode of systematic, I had Aaron Mankey, uh, of lower on and like, his story is crazy because like he, he was publishing his first episode of Laura kind of as like a newsletter thing. Hey, here’s a free story. If you subscribe to my newsletter. I’ll give you five more and it just immediately started gaining traction. [00:13:50] And now he has millions of listeners and he can do, can you do ad sales for a whole year in one week? And it, yeah, crazy success story. [00:14:00] I I’m really, really impressed and proud of Aaron. Cause I knew him back when he was just like a, a freelancer designer, just kind of like throwing things against the wall to see what stuck. [00:14:13] He never expected podcasts and could be the thing anyway. So the segue I had in mind was, uh, Apple find my, uh, in reference to your watch, the, see, like, if I had done this right then would have been just, Hmm. But, uh, Apple just released an update to find my, which is a weird name. Uh, I get, I get why it doesn’t have an article, but, um, like find my, that allows third parties to start, um, making their products find-able uh, so you could go into find my, instead of just your Apple devices, you could have, I can’t remember who the first people signing on were, um, Let me look that up real quick while we’re talking, but yeah, it’s [00:15:00] kinda, it’s kinda cool because I’m used to like buying tiles and, uh, things like, things like that that will ring and find my random, uh, random things, but I can’t afford to put a title on everything. [00:15:14] So if everything just came with fine, my built-in. [00:15:17]Christina: [00:15:17] Yeah, no, I would love that. Um, but yeah, it’s interesting. Cause they’re clearly releasing this because they’re going to be coming out with air tags. And which is that’s the rumored name? Um, I, I’m not sure what it’s actually going to be called, but they’re going to become out with their tile compete. And, uh, presumably this will be so that you can attach it to those things or to your point, they might be licensing it to other companies. [00:15:42] You’re able to build it into their products, which would be even better. [00:15:44] Brett: [00:15:44] The first, the first people, the first companies that are making use of this are then move with their S3. And x-ray e-bikes Belkin sound, form freedom, true wireless earbuds. And [00:16:00] Chipolo one spot item finder. I don’t know what trip polo one has, but e-bikes and earbuds. That makes sense. Are you a camper? Put a tag on your earbuds, so that’s super cool. [00:16:12]Christina: [00:16:12] Yeah. I mean, I think that this is the sort of thing where if you’re able to, you know, build in. Whatever it is that they’ve built into find my, you know, within, within I’m presuming it’s it’s within like the radio stack. Um, and, uh, and had that show up in the app. Like, that’s really awesome. Obviously, they’re going to be some physical items that you can’t do that with, or that in theory, you shouldn’t do that with, you know, like, um, an umbrella or a, those are things I also lose all the time, umbrellas or sunglasses or [00:16:40] Brett: [00:16:40] I don’t even own an umbrella. [00:16:43] Christina: [00:16:43] Well, [00:16:44] Brett: [00:16:44] I don’t have hair to worry about. I just go out in the rain [00:16:48] Christina: [00:16:48] Yeah. I mean, umbrellas, aren’t super common in Seattle, even though it rains, you’re a lot, the, the locals tend to look down on umbrella caring folks, but sometimes like, if it’s really coming down, like you need it, uh, in New [00:17:00] York. [00:17:00] Brett: [00:17:00] clear light head wrap things that old ladies wear to protect their perms. [00:17:05] Christina: [00:17:05] Yeah. The issue with that is like, again, like if it’s coming down really hard, like that’s not gonna work. Um, that’s less of an issue here too. I mean, people drive more, but like New York city, for instance, like. You need an umbrella. Like there’s no way that you can survive in New York city without an umbrella because no one drives. [00:17:24] So if you’re like, you can wait for maybe the brain to let up some, but sometimes it’s just going to be coming down out there. Also the snow, like is at times bad enough that like, you know, you, you need an umbrella for the snow. So it’s less of an issue in Seattle. Um, and, and whatnot. But, um, yeah. Uh, but like I did actually have a smart umbrella that some company had sent me that had an app that would let you like track, you know, where it was, but it added an enormous amount of money to the umbrella itself. [00:17:56] And then I still lost the umbrella. So [00:18:00] the whole thing was, was a fail, but I am happy that more companies are doing this and that hopefully I will be able to have a better sense of where stuff is. I would like. This would be a nice feature for fine. Might’ve have, if my battery is under like 20% and my device hasn’t been charged, I would like to get an alert so that I can locate the device and charge it. [00:18:26] Like that would be useful for my phone. Like if, because they can tell if your phone’s on your restaurant, like they know that my phone, but if my, um, not my phone, like my watch, they know if your washer’s on your restaurant, they know that if my watch is on my wrist is not in my wrist and the battery is under 20% alert me because maybe at someplace, like not on my charger and I can find out where it was. [00:18:48] I don’t know. [00:18:49]Brett: [00:18:49] No it’s bugging me right now. [00:18:51] Christina: [00:18:51] What’s that? [00:18:52] Brett: [00:18:52] I said that fine. My doesn’t have an article. That’s entirely grammatically incorrect. I should’ve said like direct [00:19:00] object or subject. [00:19:02] Christina: [00:19:02] Right. I was going to say, cause it has the article. [00:19:03] Brett: [00:19:03] Yeah, I, I, I’m just, I’m sitting here shaking my head thinking I should edit that, but you know what, [00:19:10] Christina: [00:19:10] Well, you’ve just edited it. [00:19:11] Brett: [00:19:11] I want to give people fodder for their two star reviews. [00:19:15] Christina: [00:19:15] But also you just corrected it. So it’s fine. [00:19:18] Brett: [00:19:18] I’d like to issue a public correction. My mom was an English teacher I should know better. Uh, so I do, I don’t have a perfect segue, but I feel like we’re at a good point to do an ad read. [00:19:32] Christina: [00:19:32] I agree. [00:19:33] Sponsor: HelixBrett: [00:19:33] And so I’m, I have the helix mattress between the two of us. So I’m the one who gets to talk about it. And, uh, [00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] I’m very jealous. [00:19:43] Brett: [00:19:43] you should be because I’ve been sleeping on it for over six months now. [00:19:47] And I have never been happier with a mattress. It’s kind of like when I got my first Dyson stick and I realized I could have an emotional attachment to a vacuum cleaner it’s like that, but for a mattress. [00:20:00] So they have this two minute quiz that asks important questions. Like what positions you sleep in and how much support you need. [00:20:07] And when you finish it, they pair you with a mattress that fits those specific needs. And a one size fits all approach would never work if you want perfect sleep. So I love that they have such a variety of mattresses to pretty fit pretty much every need. They have soft, medium and firm mattresses, mattresses for cooling you down. [00:20:26] If you sleep hot and even a helix plus mattress for plus size folks, uh, like I sleep on my side and I like medium firmness. And after a few months of sleeping on the midnight mattress, they paired me with, I can say for absolutely certain, they got it right. You can head to helix sleep.com/over tired and take the quiz yourself. [00:20:46] See what you get. One of my favorite things about this mattress is how cool it stays. My previous mattress was another brand that comes in a box and I had to add a gel cooling topper to it, just to stop sweating at night. [00:21:00] My helix mattress stays cool all night, no tossing, no turning and no weird sweaty dreams. [00:21:06] You don’t have to just take my word for it. Either. He looks was awarded the number one best overall mattress pick of 2020 by GQ and wired magazine. So if you want to sleep better and be less overtired, head to helix, sleep.com/overtired and take the quiz order, the mattress that you’re matched to, and it will come right to your door, shipped for free. [00:21:27] You get to try it out for a hundred nights. Risk-free and it has a 10 year warranty. And if you don’t love it, they’ll pick it up and take it away, full refund. So if you’re ready to sleep better, head to helix sleep.com/overtired. And if you use that link, he looks as offering over tired listeners up to $200 off all mattress orders and two free pillows. [00:21:51] That’s helix sleep.com/overtired. I really do think you’ll love it. [00:21:57] Christina: [00:21:57] That’s awesome. And I’m very jealous and I’m glad that you don’t [00:22:00] have to have it. A gel cover on your mattress anymore. Cause those are annoying to be [00:22:04] Brett: [00:22:04] They really are. They really are. Yeah, no, it stays so cool. It’s so nice. And I got a down at etcetera pillow. Have you ever had a down cetera pillow? Have you ever stayed at the Zetta in San Francisco? I stayed there. This was almost a decade ago, but it was a new hotel at the time. They just built it and the pillows amazed me. [00:22:30] Like I, I kept wanting to just go back to my hotel room and sleep just because of the pillows. So I asked when I was checking out if if those pillows were available for sale and they gave me a card for down, et cetera. And those are the pillows I’ve been buying ever since. Not a sponsor to be clear. [00:22:48] I just fucking love their pillows. If you want to spend $150 on a pillow, that’s the place to go. [00:22:54] Christina: [00:22:54] Okay. That is, that is a big investment on a pillow. However, if it lasts a long time, [00:23:00] then like it’s probably worth. [00:23:03] Brett: [00:23:03] Well, so their feather pillows and feather pillows will after, you know, a few years they’ll get flat and that will still happen. But the more like you can get different mixes of down and goose feather. So the more down you have the longer, it tends to stay fluffy, which is weird. Cause you would think that would compress more, but it’s not the case. [00:23:26] So I try to get at least a 50, 50 down and feather mix, even though that costs, you know, more down is expensive. So there was this thing, uh, where Trump and this should be a surprise to nobody, but he scammed his own supporters. By tricking them into turning their one-time donations into repeating donations and not repeating monthly. [00:23:55] Like at one point closer to the election, they actually defaulted to weekly [00:24:00] recurring. [00:24:00] Christina: [00:24:00] God, this is such a nightmare. And, and all, and obviously not obviously, um, and actually also in many cases, a violation of sec rules, because individuals are only allowed to give, uh, $2,000 to a political campaign. [00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] he topped that multiple times. [00:24:19] Christina: [00:24:19] Right? Well, that’s the thing. I think that’s, that’s how people found out because they were having to get refunded. [00:24:23] Um, so there are people like, but if your donation was something like, say $25, it could have been months or weeks or whatever, you know, before they figured that out and turn off the recurring and you might not get your money back. Right. Because if it’s, if it’s $25, even if it’s going weekly, you’re, you’re going to be talking about what does that, um, uh, 40 weeks before you be at two grand. [00:24:48] Brett: [00:24:48] Yeah, I don’t do math, but [00:24:50] Christina: [00:24:50] Um, so yeah, so like [00:24:54]Brett: [00:24:54] Do you want to know how much they had to refund [00:24:58] Christina: [00:24:58] uh, how, how much did [00:25:00] they have to refund? Yeah, [00:25:01]Brett: [00:25:01] million, [00:25:03]Christina: [00:25:03] it was 80 weeks. It would be 80 weeks if you gave $25 a week. Sorry. So be over a year. [00:25:08] Brett: [00:25:08] they basically took out $122 million loan interest for you, even though they paid it back. It’s still without interest. [00:25:16] Christina: [00:25:16] without interest, well, not only that, but, and again, this is my point. Like I th I think the number could be higher because. The way I read it and maybe I’m wrong on this, but the way that I read this, the reasons that they were doing the refunding would be when you go over the $2,000 limit and then you need to refund the money. [00:25:37] Right. But again, like if your donation was $25 and it’s going to be 80 weeks until you meet that threshold, I don’t know if that’s an, I don’t, I don’t know if that’s part of the refund or not. Like, I don’t know if they proactively went and every single person that signed up for a recurring donation, they turned off. [00:25:54] Cause there could be some people that did genuinely want to give on a recurring basis. Right. [00:26:00] So so, so it could be way more than $122 million. So they got tax-free or interest free. [00:26:08] Brett: [00:26:08] To me is, so you make this, you make this donation, you know, you say, I want to give $25 and then underneath it before you click, okay, there’s a box that in big letters says, and I’m reading directly from screenshots here. We need your help to draft Trump for president. Check this box. If you want Trump to run again, uncheck this box. [00:26:29] If you do not stand with Trump and then in small print underneath it, it says, make this a monthly recurring donation. So they, it clearly says next to the check box to uncheck it. If you do not stand with Trump, but the check box is actually the one that makes it a monthly recurring donation. [00:26:49] Christina: [00:26:49] Wow. How that not fraud. [00:26:52] Brett: [00:26:52] Right. W then it gets scarier. The one they sent out after that says Trump Patriot status missing as a [00:27:00] top grassroots supporter, we were surprised to see you abandoned him. This is your last chance to update your status to active. And that one, if you don’t, if you uncheck it, if you okay, if you leave it checked, it doubles your donation, whatever, whatever amount you put in, it’ll double it. [00:27:19] And then here’s the last one. The one that kills me, we need to know you. We haven’t lost you to the radical left. If you uncheck this box, we will have to tell Trump you’re a defector and sided with the Dems check this box, and we can win back the house and get Trump to run in 2024 small print, make this a monthly recurring donation. [00:27:41] They’re going to report you to Trump as a defector. If you don’t make it a monthly recurring donation. [00:27:48] Christina: [00:27:48] I mean, and, and, and some of this other stuff too, like they had, you know, um, would you like to join Trump on a social news media site? Yes. I stand with Trump. No, I prefer fake news. Like this is, [00:28:00] this is really terrible. [00:28:01] Brett: [00:28:01] The, like a pit of me of dark patterns, like when, like, this is what I think like a lot of the language in the GDPR in Europe, uh, was kind of designed to, uh, avoid exactly this kind of thing. [00:28:19] Christina: [00:28:19] No 100%. I mean, this, this is the absolute, like darkest of dark patterns. And really, and like the thing is, is that I encourage everybody. Who’s listening to the podcast. If you want to know more about this to visit the show notes, because the link that it Brett’s talking about, like, you really need to see these screenshots because it’s not just that they. [00:28:37] You know, say these things, but it’s not just a dark pattern in terms of the boxes, but these are yellow background with, you know, black text. And the way that the, the monthly donation thing is there is difficult to read by design, but it’s, it’s the yellow background thing, you know, that really kind of takes this to another level. [00:28:58] Like this is just, this is dirty. [00:29:00] Like there’s no other word for it. Like this is just dirty. This is just disgusting. And I would say that to be very clear, if any democratic candidate were doing this, I would say the exact same thing. People who do this are predatory and bad, and I don’t care what party they’re representing or what candidate they’re representing. [00:29:17] Like this is gross and disgusting. And any group that does, this is bad and should feel bad. And, and I feel like stuff like this should be violating FEC laws like this. This feels to me like a very blatant FEC violation. [00:29:31] Brett: [00:29:31] I hate it when even, even when companies, I like do things like make a subscribing to the newsletter, opt out instead of opt in, like, there’s, there’s just no reason for that. [00:29:44] Christina: [00:29:44] There’s not an answer. What it does is that if you’re more savvy, which you know, more people are becoming, but it’s also difficult to be savvy. Like you have to read every single thing when you sign up, which takes more time. Right. So I’m just now at this [00:30:00] point, I expect companies that I like to sign up for the newsletter. [00:30:04] So I have to look and see, how can I get unsubscribed? The worst thing though, is there are plenty of places where I buy something from them once I didn’t opt in to get mail, but I will continue to get it. And then I have to go through the unsubscribe process. And usually that is not a problem at this point, you know, it used to be kind of like kind of Laura, where there’s like, Oh, if you want subscribe, you just tell them that your email is still active. [00:30:28] I’m sure that there are still places that do that at least most. Um, the one good thing I would say about like, um, online shopping has become consolidated in large part by a couple of very large shopping site vendors. So like Shopify is, is the biggest. And then, you know, you have like, uh, like, like Lu commerce, which, you know, is kind of a self hosted solution. [00:30:49] Although they’re, they’re hosted versions as well. And, and like Magento and some others. The one advantage of that is that typically things like the emails and whatnot [00:31:00] are all handled through that platform, which means that if you unsubscribe, you can pretty much count on it to actually unsubscribe you. [00:31:07] It’s not, uh, you know, there are going to be some people who rolled their own shopping cart from end to end, but most places know better because that’s a gigantic pain. So, um, and so most of those third-party services have to comply with the law around email stuff, but it doesn’t make it any easier. It’s like every time you buy something, your emails is going to become inundated with stuff. [00:31:32] The thing I learned the hard way, and this is on a demo, this is on the democratic side, but, you know, I donated to some campaigns and I used my normal like email address. And they have sold that over and over and over again and given it to countless candidates and countless people. And I can’t get rid of all of it. [00:31:56] And I’m like, I don’t want these messages because they’re all [00:32:00] fundraising messages. And I’m like, I, I gave my money to who I wanted to give it to. I don’t want my entire mailbox full of, you know, um, DNC, um, like stuff and, and things from, even from progressive candidates, like, sorry, I don’t want that. Like, I, I gave this candidate money. [00:32:17] I didn’t give you money. And I didn’t give you permission to sell this to everyone else, but that’s exactly what they do. They sell it all. I mean, and I realized that my name is public and things like that, but like, this is a very clear thing where they share lists that they share donation. Listen, um, I wish I had known that earlier because if I had, then I would have used, like, I would have created a mailbox specifically for donations, um, that I would never have to look at it again. [00:32:43] Brett: [00:32:43] I get, so I use sandbox and SaneBox has this thing called the black hole where you just move messages into the black hole folder and any future messages from that center. Don’t never make it to your, even to your spam folder, they’re just [00:33:00] gone. So I have black hole, like multiple DFL domains for this exact reason. [00:33:05] The weird thing is at some point I must’ve made a donation with my ex-wife’s name because the emails that do still get through are always addressed in like all capital letters, a D D we need your help. And it’s it’s, I hate their entire, like, uh, it’s always an emergency thing. Like, it’s always, this is the last chance. [00:33:31] It feels like a hard sales tactics and it feels wrong. It feels dirty, but the DFL too, [00:33:40] Christina: [00:33:40] No totally. I mean, again, this is, uh, this is just so gross and, and I’m, I’m very happy to dunk on the Trump campaign for this, but I want to be like clear just because I would not be surprised if this came out about certain democratic candidates as well. Like, I would not be surprised if they were also, I mean, I feel like this is really blatant and this is really like peak [00:34:00] Trump tourism thing to do that. [00:34:01] Yes, [00:34:02] Brett: [00:34:02] you as a defector thing. I don’t even think most GOP candidates would stoop that low. [00:34:08] Christina: [00:34:08] no. Agreed. And I mean, and like, let’s also be clear. They’re not reporting shit. Like they’re not doing anything like th this [00:34:13] Brett: [00:34:13] Trump doesn’t give a shit. If you defend. [00:34:15] Christina: [00:34:15] course he doesn’t like, like, you know, th th th this is fear-mongering scamming stuff. Um, one of the, the news reports that I read something from it might’ve been the Washington post. [00:34:24] I can’t remember now. But they were talking about, you know, people who like there was a guy who was in hospice and gave $500, which he lived on $2,000 a month or under $2,000 a month. And, um, or maybe under a thousand dollars a month, I can’t remember now, but, but, you know, he gave to him was a whole lot of money he’s on hospice. [00:34:47] Uh, which means that like, things are not going super well because he felt so compelled to donate to Donald Trump. And then his account was overdrawn and he, you know, had to feel, he had to find out that they were withdrawing this [00:35:00] amount of money from him on a weekly basis. And he felt, you know, violated and felt like he’d been stolen from, and he was, and so people are, were, I mean, this was a thing where it is not like a small thing that people are, are, you know, getting, um, Overdraw fees and, and things like that, which add up because every time another thing is trigger, that gives you another fee and puts you in the hole that much further. [00:35:25] And it can be a real nightmare to get out of. And, and the people that this is going to hurt the most are gonna be people who are, you know, like the people you’re preying on are gonna be like your, your donors, who many of them are really committed to you, but they don’t have a lot of money. And they’re, they’re, you know, it was a sacrifice for them to give this and, and you convince them for what a reason to need to do it. [00:35:45] It’s just, it makes me really, really angry. So fuck all these people. [00:35:51] Brett: [00:35:51] No, it’s this downright discussing and it’s, uh, it’s very frustrating that. Sure they had to give refunds, but they’ll get away with it. Like there won’t be [00:36:00] any ramifications. Even their supporters will continue to support them after they stole from them. [00:36:05]Christina: [00:36:05] Yes and no, I have a feeling if you went into an overdraft because of your campaign donation, I’m going to be honest. I don’t think there’s any way, no matter who the candidate is that you would ever give them money ever again. [00:36:15] Brett: [00:36:15] I think that’s, uh, I, I, don’t maybe 50% of the time, but I think there’s a good portion of people who would still, who would be hurt by it, having it having happened, but it wouldn’t change their view on the candidate. [00:36:29] Christina: [00:36:29] I mean, maybe it wouldn’t change the view on the candidate, but I feel like you would, I don’t know. I’m, I’m just, I just think that if, if you went into an overdraft, especially if you’re someone who lived on a fixed income and you had to go through overdraft and you had to fight with your bank and you had to fight for other stuff to, you know, like cancel those things and get a refund and whatnot. [00:36:48] Cause you can’t get a refund. I’m pretty sure. I think, I think you have to able to get a refund for political contributions. Like I don’t think they can just keep the money. Um, then, um, it just might take [00:37:00] a while for it, for you to get it back or whatever. Then I don’t know. I feel like you might still like Donald Trump and you might be able to convince yourself, Oh, it wasn’t Trump who did this. [00:37:10] It was some bad people who worked for him, but I don’t think that you would ever. Give them money again, I don’t know. Maybe, maybe, maybe that’s wishful thinking, but I just, I just feel like that’s one of those things where if somebody has done something that is, or, or some organization has done something that is had a very negative impact on your financial situation, most people don’t continue to give those organizations money. [00:37:36]Brett: [00:37:36] Yeah. Yeah. I don’t claim to be able to get inside the mind of the kind of person who would donate to Trump to begin with. So I, I, I’m [00:37:45] Christina: [00:37:45] I don’t know. Yeah. I mean, and, and, but, but also to be clear, like, I don’t think that this, what I’m referring to, isn’t even really about, like, who would donate to what candidate? I just think like in general, if, because we’ve all been in those situations where, um, or not all of us, but many of [00:38:00] us have been in a situation where you’ve gone into where somebody is like screwed up and, and you start getting charged weekly or monthly or, or daily or whatever for something, and it can have like a disastrous impact on your bank account. [00:38:12] Um, I’ve been in that situation and it looked to me, it was, it was, you know, 20 years ago and I was, um, you know, a teenager and that company that did that, um, I would never in any circumstance give them money for anything ever again. [00:38:27] Brett: [00:38:27] Skype did that to me. I, I, it was long before Microsoft on Skype, so this isn’t a conflict of interest, but they were [00:38:36] Christina: [00:38:36] was, if it wasn’t, I would still say that was shitty, [00:38:38] Brett: [00:38:38] they were taking out like a hundred dollars. And I don’t remember what the deal was like. I was paying for. Uh, like premium Skype account, but then I started getting double charged and I didn’t catch it right away. [00:38:52] And like, it was, it billed like three times, so like $300 before I caught it. And I had [00:39:00] PayPal. I was like, I was doing it through a PayPal account and I had PayPal block, future payments, which then led to Skype, you know, blocking or like ending my account and getting it back, took me like a year. And I had to change my username. [00:39:20] And I had basically, I had to create a new identity to get my Skype account back. And it was a pain in the ass, but I’m still a Skype user. We’re on Skype right now. [00:39:29] Christina: [00:39:29] I mean, fair enough. So maybe I’m wrong. I don’t know. Um, did, did it put your account to overdraft? [00:39:35] Brett: [00:39:35] Um, I don’t know, probably I did not have much money then. [00:39:40]Christina: [00:39:40] Yeah, my situation and put me into overdraft, and then there were additional recurring charges that would put further things in overdraft and further things overdraft. And it was, um, it’s actually one of the weird reasons why I’m, I’m strangely loyal to bank of America because I was 16 and bank of America came through for me. [00:39:59]I don’t know. [00:40:00] But, um, yeah. Uh, [00:40:02] Brett: [00:40:02] kind of, that’s the kind of, uh, imagery Hab that bank of America needs. [00:40:07]Christina: [00:40:07] well, but it also just, I mean, I don’t know. I mean, you’re, we’re probably both, right. It’s probably a mix of things. There are probably some people who won’t, you know, do anything and they’re probably some people who are going to be like, no, actually [00:40:17] Brett: [00:40:17] seen actual interviews with people who, who got charged, got, uh, overdrafted and said they still 100% support Trump. Like I know those people [00:40:26] Christina: [00:40:26] Well, no, no. I’m just to be clear. I wasn’t saying. This would change their supportive from pups saying that this would change them giving Trump money. [00:40:34] Brett: [00:40:34] I would hope so. We would hope so for the sake of humanity. [00:40:38] Christina: [00:40:38] correct. Correct. But anyway, um, [00:40:41] Brett: [00:40:41] want to do an exploit corner? [00:40:42] Christina: [00:40:42] yeah, let’s do exploit corner security, security theater. Well, not really theater. This is actually good. Good. These are bad exploits, but this is smart ways to [00:40:50] Brett: [00:40:50] theater about security. [00:40:52] Christina: [00:40:52] There we go. [00:40:53] Brett: [00:40:53] Um, yeah, so we have multiple topics here. One of, one of the ones that kind of cracked me up was [00:41:00] this FinTech company. Uh, they were sending out emails and documentation and where, where users needed to put in a URL for their financial institution. They were just filling it in with default institution.com, which is, you know, an unregistered domain, but then a security researcher, fortunately, a white hat security researcher decided just to register the domain and then, uh, start basically it gave him access to all of these emails that were being sent to what otherwise would have been a dead end. [00:41:38] And, uh, he could, he could be a man in the middle for all kinds of stuff, all of a sudden. So the lesson there, I can. Registered many, many years ago, example.com for the exact purpose of putting in example, URLs and, and doing it safely. So if you need to put a dummy [00:42:00] URL on something, just use example.com. [00:42:03] Christina: [00:42:03] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I love stories like this and, and kind of hate them because in the wrong hands, they could be really, really dangerous. And like, obviously in this case, this was really good that some white hat person, you know, registered this, but there was a bigger issue with, um, Microsoft actually had to step in because one of the default things that people were registering for for years. [00:42:28] Um, so actually this was a really scary thing. Um, so this happened at almost exactly a year ago, but, uh, um, Krebs on security had originally reported in February of 2020. Um, a private citizen who is offering off the dangerous domain name Corp com and he had a starting price of 1.7 million. And so corporate being CEO, rp.com and the re the domain experts had been calling Corp com dangerous because there were like years and years of testing, um, that showed that, you know, people who would have [00:43:00] access, whoever owned, it would have access to a ton of, of, you know, passwords and email from hundreds of thousands of, of, um, Microsoft, um, windows computers, because, um, the way that Corp com like worked a lot of times was be that when you would configure certain things, For an internal network, it would be like Corp, uh, you know, uh, or like, like your, your subdomain dot Corp w would be how it would be done. [00:43:31] And that would be an internal domain name for the, um, for the internal DNS. But what happened was that if you would take that outside of the corporate environment, um, which is what it would use for active directory and windows, and, you know, it was facing the outside world Corp com as a real thing. And so if you had like, you know, like, um, my, my consulting company is like Christina Warren consulting. [00:43:56] And so if I had like Christina Warren consulting dot Corp [00:44:00] com, and that’s a real thing, and it’s no longer in the purview of like my internal network, but it’s something that’s facing the outside then that if that, that gets exposed all of my usernames and passwords presuming I had, you know, a system that way, um, could be done, um, that way. [00:44:18] And so. Like, we’ve got a link in the, in the show notes, because it’s really interesting to talk about how they’d done years and years of testing, um, to see how bad this could be. And the guy who bought it originally had owned it for 26 years and been doing nothing with it, but he basically just wanted a payday and wanted to cash out. [00:44:38] And it was really problematic that he was selling it for like starting bids at like 1.7 million, because you could think that this would be an, an amazing honeypot for, um, like black hat organizations or, you know, for, for, for people who want access to data for, for bad guys. Right. And, and that the amount of money that you could get from that would probably pale in comparison to the domain name. [00:45:00] [00:44:59] So I don’t know how much they paid, but Microsoft did end up agreeing to buy the domain, um, to keep it out of, you know, the, the hands of people who could abuse it. Um, but the whole thing, it was just really, you know, kind of, kind of crappy all around, like, you know, somebody who registers a domain name. 26 years earlier in 1994, who knows how much he paid for it and not, and not to say that, like I’m sure that the original domaining was relatively expensive to register and, and the ongoing, you know, renewal costs are, are not, it’s not as if maybe he should be asked it to give it to Microsoft for somebody else for free. [00:45:37] But 1.7 million seemed, I don’t know, pretty gross, like to set that as your starting price in any event, I have no idea how much they paid. I have a feel, I mean, I have no insight whatsoever, so I’m completely talking to my ass here. I am assuming that it was less than that. I I’m assuming that because I don’t know, uh, like that, that old Simpsons, um, [00:46:00] meme about, you know, bill Gates about, you know, buying out, um, Homer’s, uh, internet startup and all they do is they just come in and destroy everything and break his little egg is like, we didn’t get rich by Brighton. [00:46:11] A lot of checks. Like if somebody tells me there’s some truth in that. So I feel like they weren’t going to be, you know, like blackmailed into paint, billions of dollars for domain name. But, uh, I don’t know. So that’s another example of those. Be careful of those things. Use example.com, like you said, Brett, and I think Google owns, uh, what, what is it they own. [00:46:36]I can’t remember what the, uh, domain, um, Suffex is that, that they do. Yeah. They own a whole TLD or something like.dev is now an actual TLD you can buy. Cause like I owned Christina dot dab and things like [00:46:51] Brett: [00:46:51] up because I used to always do local host servers with that dev. Yeah. [00:46:55] Christina: [00:46:55] Oh, that’s what it is. It’s dot local. I believe that Google owns and is, is, is not selling. [00:47:00] [00:47:00] So, um, yeah, so yeah, that, [00:47:03] Brett: [00:47:03] mess up a lot of people. [00:47:05] Christina: [00:47:05] Yeah. Okay. So, so here we are, I’m local as a special use domain name reserved by the internet and internet engineering task force. IATF is that it may not be installed as a top-level domain and the domain name system on the internet. Um, so it’s also similar to local host. [00:47:19] Okay. So dot local cannot be used by anybody, which is good. Um, so yeah, use dot local. Don’t use.dev, but all of us used to use.dev because that wasn’t a real thing. And then Google made that an actual TLD and yeah. [00:47:35]Brett: [00:47:35] And I had all these redirects and my like, uh, [00:47:40] Christina: [00:47:40] Personal DNS file. [00:47:41] Brett: [00:47:41] Yeah. And so when.dev became a real thing, it took me a week to figure out why every time I clicked a link to a.dev site, my just spun because I was redirecting it. I was looping it back. And yeah, I figured that out. That was all me. But anyway, [00:48:00] anyway, um, so there was this, what was 2019 was the big Facebook data breach. [00:48:08] Christina: [00:48:08] Yeah, apparently. Um, [00:48:10] Brett: [00:48:10] it’s like top of the news. What happened? [00:48:12] Christina: [00:48:12] so yeah, there were like 500 million people’s information was, was, uh, breached and, and Facebook isn’t calling it a breach per se. They’re like, Oh, well, people were able to scrape things using various it’s a breach. Right. But it’s, but they’re, they’re trying to spend it in other ways. [00:48:27] Facebook is like, we’re not going to tell you if you were a victim of it or not. Because a, I think that they’re like, they don’t want to go through that rabbit hole and be they’re like, well, we, we just don’t know, which seems fake because the data’s out there, like you were able to find out, like, I don’t know. [00:48:43] Where, where did you go to find out if you were part of the breach or not? I [00:48:46] Brett: [00:48:46] I been pawned.com. They got, they, they can tell you whether you were in the, uh, initial leak and whether it’s been part of any pace and any forums. [00:48:59] Christina: [00:48:59] All right. [00:49:00] All right. That’s awesome. So, so I’ll check that out. So yeah. Have I been pawned.com and, um, uh, Troy hunt, you created that service is just awesome. Um, he, um, and, and that’s, it’s been integrated into a bunch of other, like, like one password uses it and a bunch of other services due to like, let you know if your stuff has been there, but yeah. [00:49:18] Um, Zach’s phone number was apparently part of the breach. Uh, and people found that he’s on signal, which. That I don’t find surprising because of course he’s on signal. Like, just because he owns Facebook and WhatsApp doesn’t mean that he would not use something like signal or another competitor service. [00:49:36] To me, the bigger question is like, okay, so does the duck change his phone number now? Like that seems like that’d be a hassle, like, uh, maybe not if you’re Mark Zuckerberg, but yeah. I mean even, but, but even his information was, was part of the, the breach. [00:49:52] Brett: [00:49:52] Uh, um, um, I’m on, have I been pawned.com right now? And the largest breach breaches, [00:50:00] uh, that they have, uh, recorded Facebook is number six, with 509 million, uh, accounts breached. Um, also they’re the most recent, so Facebook is top of the top of the charts. [00:50:17] Christina: [00:50:17] so, okay. I was part, I, my phone number is not part of it, which is good. My email address that I use for Facebook was part of the 500 pixel breach. The eight tracks [00:50:26] Brett: [00:50:26] Oh, yeah. Like I might email if I search my [00:50:30] Christina: [00:50:30] Oh yeah. My, the, the, the, uh, [00:50:33] Brett: [00:50:33] 20 years, [00:50:34] Christina: [00:50:34] the anti-public combo list, whatever the hell that was. Um, Kobe Dropbox, uh, E Vite exploit dot N. [00:50:45] Get Kickstarter, LinkedIn Mac forums, Mashable. Oh, fun. In approximately mid 2020, mashville suffered a data breach and subsequently turned up publicly in November, 2020. I didn’t know this, the data included 1.4 [00:51:00] million unique email addresses and names along with genders expired off tokens, physical locations, links to social media profiles a month to data. [00:51:07] Wow. Yeah. So w mass blown point tried to start our own social network called Nashville follow. And that, that must’ve been what was, um, uh, breached, um, Tumblr part of that verifications.io. You’ve been scraped and Zynga, but not part of Facebook. Interesting. Okay. Good for me. Um, although pretty mad about the Mashable one, like real mad about that one. [00:51:34] Like, Holy shit, is, this is new information that I’m learning right now on the pod. You know what? This is like. This is like when Blake, your former. This is like, when you find out that like your ex-boyfriend yeah. Or has an STD or as like a serial killer, right? Like this is like one of those things [00:51:54] Brett: [00:51:54] I think it’s closer to an STD than a serial killer. [00:51:57] Christina: [00:51:57] You’re correct. You’re correct. This is in [00:52:00] the grand scheme of things. No, this is completely like finding out that your ex and STD and you’re like, what the fuck dude? Like, could you, could you have told me, like, not cool. Now I have to tell everybody that I know, um, wow, fuck you Mashable. Like what the hell? [00:52:15] And to be clear, Chris, who had built that system, he stopped working at Mashable like five years ago. So, um, I think today, because I think the layoffs were actually five years ago today. So, so this is not his fault and the entire product team and tech team, everybody has left and, and, and Mashable was sold at the end of 2018 or the end of 2017 rather to, uh, J two global, which is the parent company of Ziff Davis and all kinds of other bullshit. [00:52:46] So this is all their fault. I don’t blame any of the people that I worked with back then. Uh, but fuck you Mashable like this, this feels dirty. This is pretty. Wow. [00:52:57] Brett: [00:52:57] I, there are, there are a bunch of [00:53:00] like, uh, last FM was hacked in 2012. Uh, but they it’ll it’ll end the descriptions. It’ll tell you that they were storing passwords as unsalted MD five hashes and all of these. If a company took security at all seriously. And you know, you may have to outsource your dev team might not be experienced with, uh, securing databases, storing passwords, securely, things like that, but it would be worth as if you’re, if you’re, if you have more than if you have more than a hundred users, you really should have someone come in and assess your security level. [00:53:40] Christina: [00:53:40] Yeah, I would agree with that, but it’s hard, right? Because that costs money. And like, if you’re trying to do something that’s smaller, but certainly by the obvious of like a hundred users I think is, is puts a weird owners, certainly a thousand. Um, if you have a big forum, that should definitely be a thing. [00:53:55] Like, cause a lot of mine like Mac forums was one of them subs. I might’ve said Mac rumors and that was [00:54:00] incorrect. Sorry. Macrumors uh, Mac forums. Um, their logo is very similar. Um, but yeah, like some of these are really big. Okay. The good, okay. Nashville one, it did have off tokens, email addresses, genders, you graphic locations, IP addresses, names, partial dates of birth, social media profiles, no passwords. [00:54:19] And frankly that other information is all either publicly available or inaccurate. So I’m not super mad about that, but um, [00:54:26] Brett: [00:54:26] Using different passwords on every website, uh, nod to one password. [00:54:32] Christina: [00:54:32] yeah, of [00:54:32] Brett: [00:54:32] so password passwords in a breach don’t have to be, uh, super dangerous if you use the breached password on every other website, [00:54:43] Christina: [00:54:43] that, that’s how people get hacked. That’s how people get hacked. Like that’s how people get into stuff. Like, and that’s also how people are able to find out other information. And, and we’ve seen that before. Like, uh, I remember when the Gawker hack happened, that there were a number of people like, um, the Gawker commenting hack. [00:54:57] I remember this, this was 2014. [00:55:00] Maybe might’ve been 2013. Um, there were a number of people that I worked with who then had their social media accounts or other emails or things violated because of that. Um, and so, um, a lot of these things, yeah, it’s one of those like, like I’m, I’m looking at kind of this list and, um, I’ve changed the passwords and all those things. [00:55:19] But I, I was already at the point where I was using unique passwords for these things, but, but the, the bigger thing is that your passwords not a big deal, but some of the stuff like. Your phone number, if that’s there or your date of birth or, you know, other stuff. Cause then people can use that for like [00:55:35] Brett: [00:55:35] theft. [00:55:35] Christina: [00:55:35] exactly. [00:55:36] Although, you know what we were in the United States, we’re all fucked because Equifax is hack. So like, you know, [00:55:44] Brett: [00:55:44] been fucked for awhile. [00:55:45] Christina: [00:55:45] yeah, no, but I mean, in that case, like it’s your social security number? Like, like, wow, I’m still mad. Whenever I think about that [00:55:54] Brett: [00:55:54] Yeah, [00:55:55] Christina: [00:55:55] and they were like, Oh, here’s a year maybe of free credit monitoring. [00:55:59] Fuck [00:56:00] you like monitor my credit for life. Honestly like monitor my creditor for life. You assholes you absolute vultures anyway. [00:56:08] Brett: [00:56:08] Yeah. You should not be allowed to have that much data about a person. If you cannot afford the, uh, the security on it. [00:56:21] Christina: [00:56:21] Yeah, I agree. I agree. Like, especially for something like that, if you’re grabbing someone’s social security, like I’m still angry that Equifax is still in business, but there’s still one of the three reporting agencies. Like, should that not be disqualifying? Like in your opinion, like, I feel like that should be disqualifying of you being allowed to be in business [00:56:38] Brett: [00:56:38] Well, I think [00:56:39] Christina: [00:56:39] you violate things to [00:56:40] Brett: [00:56:40] Sachs by the same logic, Goldman Sachs shouldn’t exist anymore either after the financial crash, like too big to fail. I mean, you know, [00:56:52] Christina: [00:56:52] I mean, I guess, I don’t know. I feel like the, well, the bank, I feel a little bit differently only insofar as there were a number of banks that did fail. Right. [00:57:00] Um, and I would also say like the, the trickle down effect of a failing bank is significant and could be like, like devastating for a lot of regular people, [00:57:15] Brett: [00:57:15] credit reporting wouldn’t have that same effect though. [00:57:18] Christina: [00:57:18] could accept, like you have experience and you have whatever the other one is. [00:57:23] So. I, I can’t remember his, his, his experienced Equifax does another one. And so it’s not as if they’re the only one, I don’t know. Maybe they should still be able to exist. What bothered me that this was the one thing that bothered me and I’m still mad about was that even after that, they still want some sort of like multi-billion dollar bid from the government for, for new business. [00:57:43] I’m like, Oh fuck you, you know, like, like pull the bid government. Like, I don’t care if no one else bid on it fricking pullet and, and go to their competitors and be like, Hey, would you like this money? Because I’m sure that, that they would be much more willing to put together an [00:58:00] RFP. Um, in light of that, I don’t know. [00:58:04]Brett: [00:58:04] yeah. [00:58:05] Christina: [00:58:05] you’re right though. It’s it’s not easy to just be like, yeah, just get rid of them. And just, it just bothers me that that Equifax continues to be able to operate the way they operate when their security practices were so lax [00:58:19] Brett: [00:58:19] I feel much the same about Trump [00:58:21]Christina: [00:58:21] Well, yeah, but [00:58:23] Brett: [00:58:23] only be allowed to make so many mistakes before you are just, uh, just removed from, uh, the public. See, I brought it back around to politics, [00:58:34]Christina: [00:58:34] it is, we’re a sensibly show about mental health and technology and Taylor Swift. But, uh, but this was a, this was a very politic heavy episode, which is, which is okay. Um, we’re, we’re going over, but I did want to ask you before I close out, have you, did you watch the original real world? [00:58:52]Brett: [00:58:52] the like the very first season. Yes. [00:58:56] Christina: [00:58:56] Okay. So paramount plus has been doing [00:59:00] this homecoming series where they have the entire original cast back together after 29 years. And they were reunited in the same loft that they lived in 30 years ago or 29 years ago. And it has been oddly compelling. And I would like to talk to you about it more in the future, but I just didn’t know if you’ve been watching the real world, if you you’d, if you’d seen the original seat series or not. [00:59:22] Brett: [00:59:22] Like I was, you know, back before reality TV was like a bad word to me. Yeah. The real world was interesting. Um, [00:59:29] Christina: [00:59:29] it was awesome, [00:59:30] Brett: [00:59:30] don’t know if I could do it again though. [00:59:33] Christina: [00:59:33] Well, I mean, I’m not saying that you should watch the whole thing. It just be more of interesting thing. I’ve been listening to a podcast, um, true story, uh, with, um, Dave Holmes suits, formerly of MTV and, um, Mike Dowdy, um, who was, uh, who who’s a musician who was with ’em, um, Fuck. [00:59:50] Um, now I can’t think of the name of a soul coughing. Um, there we go. Um, the band soul coughing and see how he’s had an independent, um, career. Um, but [01:00:00] he, uh, um, their podcast is actually really good about it is really good on it. But, um, I, uh, the final episode like launched today and I’ve, it’s made me think about reality TV and stuff, and we’re over, over time that, but I just was curious if you’d watch the original series, because it is interesting seeing those original seven people back together again and seeing like who’s changed and who’s good and who’s bad. [01:00:30] And, um, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s actually been strangely compelling. [01:00:36]Brett: [01:00:36] Imagine if we did like an overtired over time and had like a Patrion for people to like pay extra, to hear us when we just can’t stop talking. [01:00:49]Christina: [01:00:49] Let us know on our discord or on Twitter, if you would be interested in paying for that. [01:00:54] Brett: [01:00:54] I doesn’t matter. I can’t do it. I can’t, I don’t have the attention span to [01:01:00] do more than an hour. I just, I just, I just can’t do it. I’m sorry. People, I’m sorry to the thousands of people who are about to request that. Uh, I just, I’m sorry. Yeah. [01:01:11]Christina: [01:01:11] Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. [01:01:15] Brett: [01:01:15] Yeah, I guess that, that wraps up a bit of a weird week. [01:01:19] Christina: [01:01:19] Yeah. Yeah. It was just, I’m totally going to take responsibility for, I’m sorry. I’ve been [01:01:23] Brett: [01:01:23] You always take the blame for everything it’s never entirely your fault. [01:01:27] Christina: [01:01:27] now this week it is, and it’s fine. [01:01:29]Brett: [01:01:29] yeah. Get some sleep. [01:01:32]Christina: [01:01:32] Get some sleep, Brett.

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[00:00:31] Brett: [00:00:31] Uh, the clinic near me had a, like a walk in like the state opened up to anyone 16 and over, and they had a walk-in, they had 800 shots available, but I couldn’t get there until like three hours after it opened. [00:00:43] And I made the assumption that they would be out by then. [00:00:46] Christina: [00:00:46] Right. I would have, I would have thought that too. [00:00:48] Brett: [00:00:48] I live in a town of like 30,000 people and. It, it, it turned out they weren’t. And so the next day they had appointments, but I couldn’t get an appointment. So I had like put my name on a [00:01:00] waiting list. So last night I get a call at 7:00 PM that says, are you still interested? [00:01:05] Yes. Can you make it here? And under 20 minutes? Yes. It’s two minutes away from me. So I drove right there and I got my shot. [00:01:13]Christina: [00:01:13] Hell. Yeah, that’s awesome. We had like they, okay. So they are, they’ve announced that as of April 15th, everyone 16 and over in Washington state, we’ll be able to get the shot, but they opened up for way more people. Um, on the 31st, uh, I still didn’t qualify, but I volunteered at the, um, mass vaccination center at, uh, the Seahawks stadium Blumenfield and so I was able to get it after that, but grant did qualify, so he was able to get his too. [00:01:43] So. [00:01:44] Brett: [00:01:44] Not to get personal, but did he qualify for weight? Yeah, me too. Like I got bumped up on the waiting list because I, I told, I said I was, I think I’m technically obese. Like it’s actually a pretty low bar to get over these days. [00:02:00] Um, but I just put down obesity and, and I got the call. So. [00:02:05] Christina: [00:02:05] Yeah. Yeah. So he had that and then like smoker, um, even though he like it’s vaping, but still, and, um, yeah. High blood pressure. Like he had, he had a lot of things. Um, I am most, definitely not obese. I’m [00:02:20] Brett: [00:02:20] not. [00:02:21] Christina: [00:02:21] I’m I’m 15 pounds below a BMI that would say normal. So that’s, that’s like more than 15% of my body weight. [00:02:31] So, um, I, which honestly, you know, it’s not listed on, on one of like the comorbidities, but I have to think that’s gotta be like, not that much better for my body [00:02:48] Brett: [00:02:48] No, I would think you would be even more susceptible to [00:02:51] Christina: [00:02:51] I. I would agree with you 100%. I even like talked to a doctor about it and they were like, yeah, probably, but it’s not on the list because they had the [00:03:00] same thought. [00:03:00] And I was like, well, that’s kind of fucked. [00:03:02] Brett: [00:03:02] Did you hear Detroit put ADHD on the list? [00:03:06] Christina: [00:03:06] No, but good for them. [00:03:07] Brett: [00:03:07] Yeah. ADHD and autism and other mental illnesses, uh, made you eligible early on like months ago. [00:03:16] Christina: [00:03:16] Yeah, well, we, it was unclear according to the CDC things like I, like there are ways that I think that I probably could have like, Without any guilt gotten a shot. I mean, real talk, um, for the hosting stuff that I do for our events and whatnot. Like I did a thing on Monday actually, where, you know, I was, I went into a studio and I had, you know, hair and makeup and then I was, you know, shooting in front of a green screen for a few hours and whatnot. [00:03:40] And like, that means like, people’s like touching your face and you’re around crew. And even though you’re, you know, like following social distancing orders, like you still have. That sort of thing. And like, obviously that doesn’t make me, um, like an essential worker, the same way that, you know, actual frontline workers are. [00:03:58] But you know, like [00:04:00] I’m not claiming that, but at the same time, it’s like, okay, if these are things that are deemed business necessary, which they are then. I’m in a role that requires me to literally have people touching my face, you know, like, I don’t know. Um, so I probably didn’t have to volunteer, but I just, I did anyway and it was, it was easy. [00:04:22] It was just data entry stuff. And so, um, the, the way that they have it here is, I mean, it seems like you were able to find a place and you’re able to kind of get an appointment. Much more easily than you were even expecting, which is great. Um, as every other state, you know, it seems to kind of be like a mixed bag about how good their rollout systems are. [00:04:45] There are three, um, like community driven, like civilian docs, like mass vaccination sites, which are run really well. And frankly like in the city is promoting, but like these are civilian [00:05:00] systems. This is not something that like, you know, The, the government was like, yeah, let’s do this. Which is kind of sad to be totally Frank, because that should be their job if, if we’re being completely honest. [00:05:11] Um, but they had like the, the system down, but they had, um, you know, places where you could sign up for appointments and they were good enough that they opened stuff up on Saturday. At least it might’ve been earlier, but I saw it on Saturday for people to get appointments who would qualify on the 31st. [00:05:29] And so, um, The frustrating thing was, is that the official, like Washington state, like vaccination, officially vaccination website didn’t link to the correct. Page. And so the page that it linked to was like, Oh, there are no appointments available, but on this unofficial page, COVID, um, w a.com it linked to the proper page where there were like 3,800 appointments available. [00:05:55] So, um, I tweeted and I contacted everybody that I knew [00:06:00] who might possibly qualify our Franklin Fleischmann was able to get in. Like, I, I felt really good that I was like, I was getting direct messages and like, thank you. Some people who were like, I’m getting vaccinated earlier because I saw your tweet, which is so fucked, honestly. [00:06:15] Like I really, really genuinely happy to help people with that. But the official website should link to the proper pages this. Shouldn’t be a [00:06:25] Brett: [00:06:25] list, the waiting list I eventually did get on w I found via someone DMD me on Facebook and like the official website had zero links to it at all. And, uh, and it was like, it was on the website, but they didn’t update the main page or make it like any path to get to the waiting list. So it was all hush, hush. [00:06:47] Christina: [00:06:47] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, that’s, that’s like, I think the most frustrating thing is, and this has been the case with everything. I mean, I think that it’s in the places that are doing it better or the places that have much broader partnerships with the local, like not the local, but like the chain [00:07:00] pharmacies. So New York and California have for weeks now have had partnerships with, um, with, with like Dwayne Reed, um, Walgreens and, um, and which is the same. And, uh, and I think CVS has had stuff too. And so that has. Made it easier for people, you know, because like there are those all over the place, but the, even, even those chains don’t have the distribution in place in every major city or every state. [00:07:29] So, you know, it’s kind of various thing to thing, but I think that’s, what’s frustrating about this, but it does seem at least like supplies is getting out there and that people are getting vaccinated and it’s becoming more available. And at this point, I’m with you, like now, like. I would say it’s probably 50 50 with people that I talk to you, like on a regular basis who are like, we’re within the same age range, you know, meaning we’re like under 50 or whatever who’ve been, who’ve been vaccinated. [00:07:59] So [00:08:00] that’s exciting. [00:08:01] Brett: [00:08:01] Yeah. I discovered like, So I I’ve always gotten in trouble for saying stupid stuff in social situations. Um, uh, often it comes out like mean, but I didn’t, I never noticed until, so after I got the shot last night, I had to sit in a room for 15 minutes to make sure there were no immediate side effects. And I was in a room with a bunch of other people sitting in chairs, six feet apart. [00:08:27] And, uh, I’m I’m I can be social, like. For, for half an hour at a time, that can be a very social person. I was having conversations, but when I got in my car and I closed the door and always silent, I felt my whole body just relax. Like I didn’t realize what almost like a state of panic I’m generally in, in social situations. [00:08:49] And I think that qualifies as social anxiety. And it’s no wonder, I say stupid stuff though. If you’re constantly in a state of panic, you’re, you’re going to say dumb stuff. [00:09:00] Yeah. How’s your, uh, how are you feeling today? [00:09:03] Christina: [00:09:03] Feeling fine. My arm hurts a lot. Um, but that’s about it. [00:09:09] Brett: [00:09:09] Mine’s only slightly sore. If I touch it, it doesn’t hurt otherwise. And I’m a little bit, I’m a little bit, uh, like. Tired like drained a little bit, but not like sick. [00:09:21]Christina: [00:09:21] Yeah, I’m not sure. Like, I can’t really tell if there are any other, um, symptoms other than like, my arm does hurt, like a lot. Like it, it’s not just when I touch it, it’s when I don’t move it. When I do move it, like it’s, it’s sore. Um, [00:09:35] Brett: [00:09:35] was the same way she got the Madonna, but her arm was like, I, I would keep forgetting and I’d reach over and tap, tap her arm and she’d be like, ah, no, not that arm. [00:09:44] Christina: [00:09:44] Yeah. Yeah, no, mine is, is like, I could tell that there was like a bruise. I mean, in fairness I also have like no fat. So, you know, it’s like one of those things that it’s hard to kind of know, you know, what’s the, the cause of it or [00:10:00] whatever, but, um, [00:10:01] Brett: [00:10:01] intramuscular shots on their own can be, uh, can be pretty painful. I know I’ve missed veins before I’ve done accidentally. It’s it can be, yeah, it can be very [00:10:12] Christina: [00:10:12] Yeah. And I definitely had like, um, intramuscular shots before, whether it was like a flu vaccine or something else, but usually it was something else where like, it’s been sore afterwards. Um, I don’t know if I can ever recall anything. That’s been like this sore, but again, I mean, I don’t care. I mean, like this could be the sort of thing that would be like have me at my ass and having to take a sick day and I would still be like, best shot ever. [00:10:33] You know what I mean? [00:10:34] Brett: [00:10:34] I was kind of hoping for a sick day, actually. I mean, not that I have like a day job yet. That’s still, still, still on the horizon for me, but just a chance to be like, Nope, can’t even answer emails today. Cause I’m knocked on my ass by this, this vaccine that you can’t disagree with me getting. [00:10:54]Christina: [00:10:54] You know what we will cross our fingers for, for shot too. Cause that’s the one that’s apparently really bad. [00:11:00] So, so fingers crossed for shot [00:11:02] Brett: [00:11:02] I might even have started at Oracle by the time I get shopped too. And then I’ll actually have something to be sick from plans. I have plans. [00:11:10] Christina: [00:11:10] You plans. [00:11:12] Brett: [00:11:12] So did you know that, uh, what is it shoot there’s this Manet’s company that has a different name on different sides of the Rockies. I think it’s, Heileman’s. On my side and best foods on the other. Does that sound familiar at all? [00:11:30] Christina: [00:11:30] I mean, I know Hellman’s, I didn’t realize that it was something else. [00:11:33] Brett: [00:11:33] So I saw, I, I might be getting, I know the other one is best foods, but I can’t remember what the, like, the one I know is, um, but I saw this commercial with Amy Schumer and, uh, she, like, I saw the exact same commercial twice, except it was for different Manet’s. [00:11:55] Christina: [00:11:55] Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So it, it, it, it is Hellman’s investments. I had no idea [00:12:00] that they are, apparently I get the same logo. [00:12:03] Brett: [00:12:03] they’re the same company. They just changed the name, like for a quarter of the U S it’s called something else. It’s so weird. [00:12:12] Christina: [00:12:12] That’s bizarre. So, okay. So best foods was acquired by Unilever in 2000, both brands, Flint previously sold in the U S based best foods corporation, which sold several other products in addition to helmets and best foods, mayonnaise. Here’s, what’s weird if, if it’s, if it’s East of the Rocky mountains and that would mean that [00:12:28] Brett: [00:12:28] That that was arbitrary. I just, I don’t think they specifically said East of the Rocky mountain. [00:12:33] Christina: [00:12:33] No, no, this is according to the Wikipedia page. [00:12:36] Brett: [00:12:36] Okay. Okay. [00:12:37] Christina: [00:12:37] So, so you’re correct. So the Hellman’s brand is sold in the United States, East of the Rocky mountains. Okay. So that’d be where I grew up and where I’ve lived almost my whole life, but I live on the West coast. Now this just shows two things. One how little I look at Manet’s. I literally don’t and too, like how little I go to the grocery store because I had, I’ve lived here for four years and I’ve [00:13:00] no clue that apparently, and maybe it’s not, I don’t, I don’t know, but, but I guess Hellman’s is best foods here, which is freaking bizarre, but it’s even more bizarre that Amy Schumer did two ads with like different or maybe she just did one and they just did the different branding on [00:13:17] Brett: [00:13:17] Well, yeah, no, it’s, it’s like the exact same match. They just change the name on the jar. She’s holding and the word she says, just G they just [00:13:26] Christina: [00:13:26] Oh, that’s hilarious. That’s hilarious to me that like she had to do like multiple takes with both things like that. I would love to actually see outtakes of, cause I would, I would love to like know like how frequently she like said the wrong thing with the, you know what I mean? [00:13:41] Brett: [00:13:41] Yeah. [00:13:42] Christina: [00:13:42] You’re holding the Hellman’s and you say is Hellman’s it’s real Manet’s and they’re like, Amy, that’s the best foods thing. [00:13:48] She’s like, motherfucker. [00:13:49] Brett: [00:13:49] Yeah. Um, that was a weird diversion. I just took us on. [00:13:55] Christina: [00:13:55] I know, but I liked it [00:13:56] Brett: [00:13:56] I didn’t realize I liked Manet’s my entire life. I didn’t think I [00:14:00] liked Manet’s until, uh, hello. Fresh started sending me recipes that had, uh, like garlic Manet’s in them. And like, as like a dipping sauce for like French fries and it turned out, I actually kinda like Manet’s and also grilling cheese. [00:14:17] I didn’t even know grilling cheese was a thing and now people just send it to me in the mail. It’s amazing. [00:14:23] Christina: [00:14:23] Um, yeah, I didn’t realize it was either. Now I will say this. I did not know that. This, um, uh, grant told me that the grilled cheeses he makes for me, he does do the thing where he puts like mayonnaise on the top or whatever. Which I didn’t know until he told me this, this was like a year ago and he does make a really good grilled cheese. [00:14:38] So that apparently I have enjoyed having said that I don’t like mayonnaise and it’s weird because I like ranch dressing. I like Caesar dressing. And I know that ranch is very similar to Manet’s, but if, for whatever reason, I like ranch. I like eggs. I, but I don’t know what it is. I don’t like Manet’s I don’t like the. [00:15:00] [00:15:00] I just, it’s not one of those things that I enjoy at all. Um, [00:15:04] Brett: [00:15:04] like sour cream. That’s my thing. [00:15:06] Christina: [00:15:06] Oh, I love sour cream. I know. I love, I love sour cream. Um, I like cottage cheese. I like, [00:15:13] Brett: [00:15:13] cheese. Do you like, do you like the small curd or the large curd, cottage cheese? [00:15:18] Christina: [00:15:18] probably small more, but I mean, I’ll, I’ll eat it. I like how the cheese period. [00:15:22] Brett: [00:15:22] Have you ever had cottage cheese with canned peaches on it? [00:15:25] Christina: [00:15:25] Oh yeah. [00:15:26] Brett: [00:15:26] Oh, that’s so good. [00:15:27] Christina: [00:15:27] That’s fantastic. Also with the cantaloupe cantaloupe [00:15:30] Brett: [00:15:30] Cantaloupe doesn’t work in most things for me, but it’s good with cottage cheese. [00:15:34] Christina: [00:15:34] good of cottage cheese. I also a pineapple is, is classic. [00:15:38] Brett: [00:15:38] that seems a little, a little citrusy for the, uh, for the curdled milk. [00:15:43] Christina: [00:15:43] It is, but it’s really nice. [00:15:45] Brett: [00:15:45] I’ll take your word for it. I might even try it someday, but we’ll see. [00:15:50]Christina: [00:15:50] Yeah. I, um, I. I, uh, I’m, I’m a fan. Um, but yeah, it’s weird. Like, I should, I should, like, in [00:16:00] theory, I should like Manet’s, but I don’t, although, like I said, I I’ve had it in I’ve had it, like when it snuck into things, I guess if it’s been used, like, if it’s been using a grilled cheese, cause it’s on like the outside, you know, these uses like the butter substitute or whatever and, and that’s fine. [00:16:14] Um, I was really high once. And I ate something that had Manet’s in it, and I didn’t even care because I was so stoned. Um, but that’s, I think the last time that I can remember like willingly eating mayonnaise and not being bothered by it. [00:16:30]Brett: [00:16:30] All right. I, uh, so I think I mentioned on a previous episode that my, I had broken a key on my, my beta uhk. Okay. Ultimate hacking keyboard. And so I had lost the right square bracket key and yeah, I remember talking about it cause I talked about how that’s, how I shift tabs and, uh, it w it, it was weird. [00:16:56] Cause when I’m coding, most of my ideas, if I [00:17:00] type the left bracket, it automatically pairs with the right bracket and I don’t actually have to type a right bracket. So I didn’t miss it right away. But anyway, um, I took it apart. And I sent a picture of the, uh, backside of the, the board. And it was clear that it had lost a connection between the board and the switch. [00:17:24] And he’s like, yeah, you’ll just have to solder that. And when you’re done the key, the switch, won’t be hot swappable anymore. Uh, but just sat or a wire in there. But then as I was taking the keyboard fully apart to do this, the little like tab that goes over, the posts just fell out and it’s like a couple of millimeters long and I’m so happy I saw it because I was able to get a pair of tweezers and put that back onto the post and tack it on. [00:17:55] And I, I believe. My switches are all still hot [00:18:00] swappable. And I fixed it with the help of my father, my dad, my dad had all the soldering tools. So it was with my dad. [00:18:07]Christina: [00:18:07] That’s awesome. That’s great. [00:18:09] Brett: [00:18:09] I’m less scared of Saturday and keyboards. Now, still like the amount of time it took me to manipulate that piece. Like I didn’t have a magnifying glass and we were using Swiss army tweezers. Cause I forgot to bring my, like I fix it tweezers with me. And, uh, so like with those like chunky Swiss army tweezers and no magnifying glass and both my dad and I have pretty shaky hands. [00:18:33] So it was like a 15 minute job to get that one terminal on there. And I can’t imagine doing an entire keyboard of that. I would die. [00:18:44]Christina: [00:18:44] Yeah, no, that wasn’t bad for you. [00:18:47] Brett: [00:18:47] Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I can solder now. He says after attacking one [00:18:53] Christina: [00:18:53] He says after half, after making his dad do it for him. [00:18:56]Brett: [00:18:56] I helped, what’s that like, I’ve never [00:19:00] soldered before I know how to solder, [00:19:02] Christina: [00:19:02] No. I understand. I mean, yeah, I haven’t soldered and it’s been a really long time actually. No, I spend like a year. Um, but that was, but that was a, that was for like an unrelated, like it was for a stupid kind of thing or whatever, [00:19:16] Brett: [00:19:16] Because you were high, you were so stoned. You were like let’s solder or [00:19:20] Christina: [00:19:20] no, no. My friend Julie had like a kid. And we were, what were we trying to do? [00:19:26] Oh, we went to Goodwill and we found this bizarre thing from the fifties. This was a real thing. It was a coffee maker that would plug in to your cars, like, um, a cigarette lighter. And it was like a coffee maker, [00:19:46] Brett: [00:19:46] Wow. Like a percolator. [00:19:48] Christina: [00:19:48] You’re like a percolator. Yeah. Which, you know, seems like the most unsafe, ridiculously dumb thing ever. [00:19:53] And in fact, when I saw the box, I was like, and it was like $2 of them. And I was like, I’m buying this because this just looks ridiculous. [00:19:58] Brett: [00:19:58] have to, at that point. [00:19:59] Christina: [00:19:59] And [00:20:00] we wanted to get it to work. And it was one of those things where we were like, okay, well we need to, we need to find like a, uh, a cable, you know, that, um, had the right, like, um, like, like voltage or whatever, that was just like a regular, um, you know, plug in the wall thing. [00:20:13] Cause we wanted to be able to use it. And so that required, you know, cutting the cable and then soldering the, the new plug on. And so that was the last time I saw her do anything. [00:20:23] Brett: [00:20:23] Have you ever seen the shrink wrap? They’re like, you can take two braided wires and then put this like shrink wrap thing and you put, you put the two ends of the wire into it and then you just heat it up and it binds them together, like stronger than the actual. Original. Like if the wire were continuous, it’s actually stronger than just the copper alone. [00:20:46] It’s super handy. If you ever need to before exactly. That kind of thing. If you want to put a different kind of plug on something or change your USB cable out. Yeah. I’ll find a link. It’ll be in the show notes [00:21:00] for anyone who has such an, who should, Oh, hello. Fresh had sponsor us. I could talk about them a lot. [00:21:06] Christina: [00:21:06] Yeah, they should totally, totally, uh, sponsor us. [00:21:10] Brett: [00:21:10] know, who is sponsoring us though? [00:21:12]Christina: [00:21:12] who is that? [00:21:13] Brett: [00:21:13] Is it time for an ad read? 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And I have to say like, it’s been way longer since I tried to, to anything, you know? Yeah. With like wrenches or, or installing like anything like related to plumbing, um, way longer than, than last time I had soldered. So I was a little bit concerned, even though, like you told me and everybody told me, he’s like, Oh, it’s gonna be easy duty. [00:23:20] I was like, yeah, I don’t know. I needed a little bit of help just because of my height. But other than that, I was able to actually do the whole thing and I actually made it a point to do the whole thing. And, um, it was really simple to install. So [00:23:33] Brett: [00:23:33] Yeah, they can’t fit a ladder in the box. [00:23:35] Christina: [00:23:35] No, they can’t fit a ladder on the box, but, um, it was one of those things that honestly I could have had like a step stool in the bathtub and I would have been fine, but, uh, I did like it, you know, invoke someone taller than me, uh, to help me, um, place things. [00:23:48] But yeah, no, it was really easy to install. So [00:23:51] Brett: [00:23:51] The Nebia by Mowen spa shower starts at one 99 and we have a deal for overtired listeners. The first 100 people to use the [00:24:00] code overtired@nebia.com. We’ll get 15% off of all Nebia. Products. It’s rare that Nebia offers deals like this. So don’t wait, go to indiebio.com/overtired that’s N E B I a.com/overtired and check out what they have to offer. [00:24:18] And the first 100 people to use the code. Over-tired when checking out, we’ll save 15% on all Nebia products. So again, that’s nebia.com/overtired. And use that code over-tired to save 15%. Thanks to Nebia. [00:24:33]Yeah. So what do you want to talk about? We have, we have like multiple directions. We could go right now. [00:24:40]Christina: [00:24:40] Okay. So I want to do a quick rant because we’re recording this on April fool’s day. And I feel about both of the brands which our listeners have said that, that they appreciate. And it’s also like a, an apology. So I feel like personally, Somewhat responsible [00:25:00] for aiding in the culture that unfortunately still permeates after more than a decade where brands do stupid social media, April fools campaigns to break the internet. [00:25:14] And I, I feel partially responsible. Like I’m not entirely responsible, but Mashable is. Definitely largely responsible. And since I was at Nashville for such a long time and definitely there at like the height of its masterfulness, I feel really bad. And, uh, I don’t know. I I’m seeing stupid stuff all over my Twitter feed and I’m glad that I don’t have to care about it, but being like, Oh my God, what did I do? It was, this is the thing like, like, like 14, 13, 14 years ago, like when you and I were first blogging together, like in Twitter was small, it was fun. And then brands do what brands always do, which is ruined things and make it worse. [00:25:57] Brett: [00:25:57] Yeah. Well, it’s the kind of thing that [00:26:00] after you get fooled a couple of times, it’s, it’s all that you’re just like, yeah. It’s April fool’s day. Don’t believe anything. And, uh, and then it’s almost annoying when people even try. I feel like we hit that point a good 10 years ago. [00:26:15] Christina: [00:26:15] I was probably six or seven, but yeah, I mean, cause I can, I’m trying to remember. There were some, still some good ones that you would see occasionally. Um, I will say to my everlasting regret. There was one April fools prank, cause mashville would always do one ourselves, like one year Conan O’Brien claimed that he bought it, bought, bought the site or whatever, and, and we would do other sorts of things. [00:26:37] And I don’t think the Conan one actually worked very well to be honest, but he was a celebrity and wanted to be part of it and fine. Um, but we did a thing with shack one year and I was like one part of the team that was, you know, they were like the, the, the branded team, like the marketing team was like coming up with pitches for what they could do. [00:26:58] And they enlisted [00:27:00] me, even though I wasn’t on that team because they thought I was creative and had good ideas and whatnot. And I was like, okay, well, the only thing you can do is you need to say that we’re, you’re going to bring back Shaq Fu. The, the classic terrible, um, Sega, Genesis and super Nintendo fighting game from the 1990s. [00:27:16] Like it’s, it’s known as like one of the worst games of all time. And it’s like this weird fighting game slash like side scroller. It’s just, it’s really bad. And, um, this was like 2012 and I was like, Bring back Shaq food, like that’s, that’s the pitch. And unfortunately, I didn’t do a good enough job selling how good that would have been, because it would have been one of like, it would have dominated that year. [00:27:38] Like it would have been the thing that everyone talked about, like without a doubt, um, because the other, the people. Involved, like we’re either a little bit too young or a little bit too old, and like just didn’t get the gravity of how great that would have been fast forward. Like six years after that, they actually did revive Shaq Fu and it broke the internet and it was a huge success. [00:27:59] And that was [00:28:00] not related to an April fool’s day thing. But that is one of those things that like to the state haunts me, that I could have done some good in the world. And instead I like perpetuated really bad shit. And when I could have, like, it would have been genuinely a really hilarious thing to, you know, troll and be like Shaq Fu is coming back. [00:28:18] Brett: [00:28:18] Well on behalf of the internet, I forgive you. [00:28:21] Christina: [00:28:21] Thank you. Thank you. [00:28:23] Brett: [00:28:23] Um, so, uh, Apple. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for the rent. Thanks everyone for tuning in this has been Christina’s corner. Um, we actually, we serve with a pretty good health corner too. Um, so Apple is, uh, no longer as of the next OS anyway, and out in the beta right now. [00:28:44] They’re no longer defaulting to a female Siri. this has been a topic of this conversation. How all of the assistants, default to female voices. [00:28:56] Christina: [00:28:56] Well, and, and I, I should note that in some countries, like for instance, [00:29:00] in the United Kingdom, and I think in some other areas too, For years now, the default voice has been masculine. Uh, but this is going to be different for North America, for the United States. And it will be on new devices you set up. So for instance, if you set something up, like if you upgrade an existing phone, or I guess if you buy a phone and like bring over all your settings or whatever, then like the classic, you know, female series, that’s how you have it set up. [00:29:23] We’ll still be that way. But if you’re setting up a new device in North America, it’s no longer going to default to a female voice, which is pretty cool. [00:29:32] Brett: [00:29:32] Yeah, and it has new voices too, right? [00:29:35] Christina: [00:29:35] are new voices too. And, uh, I actually think John Gruber put this best because I’m trying to think about how I can phrase this without it being the voices are diverse. And so if you can hear it, you hear it. If you don’t, you won’t notice anything, but the voices are diverse and which I think is great. [00:29:53] The also sound. Even better than, um, like the, the male and female, like [00:30:00] classic Siri voices that have been around for a while. Like they, they sound even more realistic in my opinion. [00:30:05] Brett: [00:30:05] Nice. And they also added a, what are the TTS natural voices for? What is that? Russia? There, there were three countries that they’re finally upgrading to use more natural language voice, but now I’ve lost it. So, anyway, forget I said anything. Forget. I started to say anything. [00:30:28]Christina: [00:30:28] No, but it’s cool. I mean, I think, I think though that it is it’s well, what opens this up? I think, and people are. Kind of talking about this as potentially to go into a place like this. Certainly not in that space yet, but it certainly could go to a place. Like I believe a, the way the voices are labeled is just voice one, two, three, four, rather than male, female, which is a good step because that could potentially move us to a place where you have like, you know, not like gender neutral voices, which I think is even better. [00:30:56] Um, [00:30:57] Brett: [00:30:57] there was some talk about, uh, uh, offering [00:31:00] more neutral voices all the way around. [00:31:02] Christina: [00:31:02] Yeah, which I think would be good. Uh, what’s always been weird to me. Like I understand why the initial impotence and, and I said this to somebody who was using Siri actually before Apple bought it. So it was a startup called Siri. That was a spinoff of Sri, which was originally incubated within DARPA and, um, uh, The company, you know, what they were doing with it. [00:31:27] They had all these grand plans and a lot of it still this day never really found its way, uh, you know, into kind of reality. Like they had an API and stuff like wave way years before, you know, Apple had anything like that and, and work with a lot of third parties and whatnot. But, um, what was always interesting, you know, and, but I remember talking to those founders and, uh, and, and the reason I remember this is because they sent me like an iPod touch in like 2010 and like, it had. [00:31:54] You know, cause before, um, test flight or any of that stuff existed. So the only way that you could have like beta versions of apps [00:32:00] would be like, if you siloed it onto a device. So like they actually mailed me like an iPod touch. And I remember talking with the founders and like they very much had wanted it to be conversational and to feel like it was a good experience. [00:32:13] And I don’t remember. Um, if there was a voice to it, or if it was just something that you kind of like spoke to and interacted with, it had the human language component, but I don’t remember if it had a voice on it or not. I honestly can’t remember, but the, the, the whole idea was always for it to feel human and Apple very clearly wanted it to feel like a real person. [00:32:31] And so I get why the voices were so realistic. But I’m not sure. I mean, at this point, like, and I think that was the idea behind, you know, Alexa and the other assistants too, is like, make people comfortable talking to things. And so you don’t want it to sound robotic, but now that we’re more than a decade into this, I’m kind of like, could we just have kind of a robotic voice? [00:32:53] I would kind of be down for that to be totally honest. I don’t know how you feel. [00:32:56] Brett: [00:32:56] I always went. You do, do you know, the voices are [00:33:00] Vox and like when, on Apple, on a [00:33:03] Christina: [00:33:03] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:33:06] Brett: [00:33:06] you use the say command, like it always used to have a voice called Starbucks, and now you have to go into settings and download the voice, but that’s the voice I always choose. It sounds like, uh, an evil robot whispering. [00:33:21] Loudly. It’s it’s a great, it’s the perfect, anytime I want my computer to like, announce that it’s like finished compiling something. I have Zar box go finished compiling it’s it’s perfect. I would love it. If Siri had the Hazara box voice. [00:33:37]Christina: [00:33:37] Yeah, I agree. So that, that, that that’s that’s to me, um, kind of like would be. A way to address a lot of this stuff. Like I get why we needed the human voices a decade ago, because you needed to make people comfortable, but now people are comfortable talking to their devices. So could we make it kitschy and [00:34:00] like take the human element away from it? [00:34:02] I don’t know. Just a thought. [00:34:05] don’t think so. [00:34:06] Brett: [00:34:06] Um, so it’s this, it’s this app that you load your multiple tracks into it and it transcribes them. And then you can select text in the transcription, edit it and it’ll edit the audio. So you [00:34:20] Christina: [00:34:20] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven’t used it, but I you’ve told me about it. Other people have told me about [00:34:24] Brett: [00:34:24] It’s amazing. And it has this feature called overdub where you can train a voice, you read to it for 30 to 60 minutes and it learns all of your inflections, all of your pauses, all of your tonality. And then it creates an overdub voice for you. And then you can just type into the transcript and it will. [00:34:45] Make it sound like you said, the words you’ve typed and I have actually used it on this podcast. If I need to edit in a sponsor read instead of going in and like recording new audio, I just added it up. I delete the part that needs [00:35:00] fixing type in the new words and it almost always sounds perfectly natural. [00:35:05] Makes me think I would love it. If Siri had like my voice or, or Elle’s voice, that would be super cool. [00:35:13] Christina: [00:35:13] no, I agree with you. That would be pretty awesome. I would also, I mean, this is just me. I would like Roger Ebert’s voice. [00:35:21]Brett: [00:35:21] That would be awesome. If celebrities could train their own overdubs and you could just choose your favorite, [00:35:27]Christina: [00:35:27] Oh, Samuel Jackson would be good too. The reason I said to Roger Ebert is because, you know, he lost his voice before he died of cancer. He’d had, um, you know, uh, throat cancer and he’d lost his ability. To use his voice. And so early on, this was way before, you know, how good the technology is now. [00:35:46] Like it was a very expensive and long process where they did, you know, a version of what you can now do, you know, in a web app, um, where like, Somebody digitized [00:36:00] his audio commentaries and his TV episodes and other stuff, and like built a voice for him so that he could use speech tech software and it would, it would speak in his own voice. [00:36:09] And like he was on Oprah showing it off and, you know, it was really, it was really cool. Um, so as kind of a nod that I would like Roger Ebert to be my virtual assistant voice. But yeah, I agree with you. I think that make it. Let celebrity sell their voices. Right? Like, honestly, like that, that could even be a licensing scheme. [00:36:28] Like there’ve been things, I think that it’s Samsung’s, um, big SPE or whatever. I think might’ve even had a thing or maybe it was Google. I don’t remember. But like there were things I think, where they did license certain voices from people for brief periods of time. Um, but yeah, like make that a permanent thing or, or find a way where people can upload their own or customize their own. [00:36:51] Cause yeah. [00:36:51] Brett: [00:36:51] store for voices. You could go on and just pay 1499 to have, you know, who would, who would I [00:37:00] have? I would have Leonard Cohen. [00:37:04] Christina: [00:37:04] That’d be good. I mean, I would obviously have Taylor Swift, but, um, you know, Hey guys at stealer, no, I, we clearly have that, uh, literary color and it’d be a really good one actually. [00:37:15] Brett: [00:37:15] yeah. Too bad. He’s not around to record an overdose voice anymore. [00:37:21] Christina: [00:37:21] I know Peter Siegel, maybe [00:37:23] Brett: [00:37:23] Yeah. Yeah. Oh, uh, what’s his name? Uh, from Boston legal? Uh, no, it was about, no. [00:37:31] Christina: [00:37:31] William Shatner, [00:37:31] Brett: [00:37:31] no. The other one. [00:37:33] Christina: [00:37:33] James Spader. Oh, James Spader would be a girl. Oh my God. James, Peter be an amazing voice. Well, yeah, because you know, he, because the, the, I mean, it wasn’t just voice work, but largely voice work that he did in the Avengers films. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He’s great. [00:37:47] Brett: [00:37:47] We just got, we were rewatching all of the office right now. We just got to the Robert California part. [00:37:53] Christina: [00:37:53] Which was so, so weird. Like that was such a weird era of the show. Like it didn’t really work, but I also am glad they, [00:38:00] that he was there, like. [00:38:03] Brett: [00:38:03] The episode where he has the party in his house that he’s about to sell. And he’s walking around and talking about carnal desires and Baucus, and everyone’s drinking wine. And, and then he jumps into the pool naked. That is for me, like that is the pinnacle of this season that we’re on. [00:38:23] Christina: [00:38:23] No. I agree. I think, I think that one, there was also, I think like the one when they go to Florida, um, There was, there was some stuff there that was really good, but yeah, I would agree with that because the thing didn’t really work. He was there for a year. It was a good experiment, but the subversiveness and the weirdness that he brought to that show, like, I very much appreciated how weird it wasn’t like, it didn’t really fit. [00:38:51] Right. But it was one of those things where I was like, you know what I appreciate how weird James Spader is and how weird he played that role. Also, from what I understand, [00:39:00] Um, I listened to the office ladies podcast and they haven’t gotten to those episodes yet. So I’m looking forward to them talking about it, but from what I’ve read and like the officer oral history and some other stuff like James Spader didn’t really interact with the cast. [00:39:12] He wasn’t really part of any of that stuff. He was just kind of came in and did his thing, which makes me love it even more because I felt like, like, I don’t think he’s a very method actor, but he definitely, I think. Oh, it totally is. But I’m saying, I don’t think in general he is, but I think he totally went method on that, which is great. [00:39:30] Um, Yeah, I, I loved him on Boston legal. He, uh, so one of my, my favorite shows in the nineties was the practice. And that was like one of the DVD Kelly, like lawyer dramas. And he had like five of them on TV at the same time. And, uh, he had like Allie McBeal on, on one network and the practice on another network. [00:39:49] And like he famously was able to have the shows crossover. Even though they’re on different networks, um, which you know, is not common. Um, he also won the Emmy one year for both of [00:40:00] those shows like drama and comedy. But, um, the last season that that show was on the air. The budget got cut to hell and they fire everybody who made a lot of money. [00:40:11] So Dermot, Mulroney, um, uh, no Dylan McDermott. I always get confused. Don’t don’t McDermott like fired Laura Flynn Boyle fired like, uh, the, the girl who poo played, um, Dylan McDermott’s wife fired like. Half the cat, like more than half a gas and gone. And then they bring in James Spader and some other like very pretty girl who like had, I don’t think he’d done anything before. [00:40:36] And James Spader. Just has a blast. And this was the character that he did in, in Boston legal and, um, and, and he just basically runs a muck up the whole thing. And that season of television is one of my favorite things to watch because you see the surviving cast members who like weren’t laid off, who. [00:40:58] You know, has to be difficult when [00:41:00] like you’re still stuck in this contract. This is not the same job that you signed up for the glory days of the Emmy wins. And like being like one of like the top shows on TV are long gone, but you’re still on this show. And then incomes, you know, James Spader, who up to this point, it was at mostly, was mostly doing like indie films or whatever, you know, he did like sex lies and videotape famously. [00:41:20] And what was the, was the movie about the, [00:41:23] Brett: [00:41:23] The secretary. [00:41:25] Christina: [00:41:25] His secretary. Yeah. Yeah. This was, this was right around the time. Actually. I think the secretary came out and, um, w w what was the, uh, Cronenberg, uh, car sex film? I [00:41:34] Brett: [00:41:34] Oh, [00:41:35] Christina: [00:41:35] of it. Yeah, there crap. There we go. [00:41:37] Brett: [00:41:37] Was he in crash? I don’t remember that now. I have to go watch crash again. [00:41:42] Christina: [00:41:42] It’s a good film. So, so he’s, you know, he, he would kind of gone in that direction. Right. And, and then he just comes and he’s Alan shore and he just has a blast and he just, his character is just giddy with excitement and the rest of the actors just don’t know what to do with him. And he just has such a good time that he winds up, [00:42:00] like getting his own spinoff. [00:42:02] And, you know, like they introduced a William Shatner’s character in the last, uh, couple of episodes, and then he got his own off that then ran for like another five or six years. It’s kind of amazing. Um, So that was like a random ramp activity. Have you ever really want to watch really? Cause it’s always interesting to watch TV shows, like you’re rewatching the office right now. [00:42:19] And you’re now in that era where like the office is struggling. Like there are moments, but it is having like a hard time finding itself after Steve Carell left. Right? Like it is not like at, it’s not peak opposite all like the glory days of behind it. I think they they’re managed to get some stuff back, especially in some of the final episodes of the final season, but like, it is definitely on the downturn. [00:42:39] Um, and that’s always interesting to watch, you know, when shows go through that kind of slump at whatnot. Well, what was so interesting about this was that the show got better. It just became a completely different show. So much to the point that like, it did become a different show. Like it got its own spinoff and, and that was just such a bizarre and weird thing to watch. [00:42:57] And, and, uh, this [00:43:00] happened, I think like my freshman or sophomore year of college and we were just like watching it and in. Maybe this is why it sticks with me. Cause I was starting to study film and television from like a much more academic perspective. And it was one of those things where I was just like, yeah, this is really. [00:43:16]Not common, but amazing to like pick up on and to see just the insanity that isn’t suing with this right now. So if anybody wants to ever wants anything fun, it’s on Hulu. So have you ever, when I like something like interesting to watch, it’s just to see a complete tonal shift with the show and an actor just completely like railroad over everyone else in the cast and just completely make it his own. [00:43:42] Like, it’s kind of great. [00:43:43] Brett: [00:43:43] we still talking about the practice? [00:43:44] Christina: [00:43:44] I’m done. [00:43:45] Brett: [00:43:45] No, I just like, I w I wasn’t sure if you were talking about a different show that, [00:43:49] Christina: [00:43:49] No, no, it was the practice I was talking about just watching the final season of the practice to see James Spader just completely like run over the whole cast and changed the show completely [00:43:58] Brett: [00:43:58] He’s never been me. [00:44:00] Tude has he, [00:44:01] Christina: [00:44:01] to my knowledge. No. [00:44:03] Brett: [00:44:03] can. He plays like when he plays creepy, he played creepy. So if he were [00:44:09] Christina: [00:44:09] a long time. Yeah. Like no one be [00:44:11] Brett: [00:44:11] I would shut her to think that anyone in real life had had to go through creepy James Spader. [00:44:17] Christina: [00:44:17] Yeah, I’m looking this up right now. [00:44:19]Nackey Gyllenhaal claims that he was dismissive of her. Um, in secretary, that’s not the same thing [00:44:27] Brett: [00:44:27] that’s not. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] at all. So frankly also like. Maggie Gyllenhaal that full major career, but sorry, but it did like, that’s the only good movies she’s ever been in. So. [00:44:38] Brett: [00:44:38] No, not true. I just saw her in, Oh, she was playing a Baker. What movie was that? Dammit. It was pretty good. Oh no, it was stupid. It was a stupid movie. Will Farrell the, uh, stranger than fiction. I liked her in that movie. [00:45:00] [00:45:00] Christina: [00:45:00] All right. And, and I’m sorry. Okay. And I actually, that’s kinda shitty me to say, just because of FilmAid your career doesn’t mean you just have to put up with like abuse or whatever. I’m not, but, so, so that, I want to clarify that, but one of our claims about him, we’re, we’re definitely not in the mood we shoot. [00:45:14] Right. Are you more of the, like, I didn’t like that he was OCD and made me feel like was dismissive of me onset bitch, please. Like, honestly, he was the star, not you. So [00:45:26] Brett: [00:45:26] Yeah. Uh, if, if being an asshole were grounds for firing, we would lose a lot of top build actors. I use actor as a, as a unisex term. It’s all, all of the acting people, um, [00:45:43] Christina: [00:45:43] you’re right. We would, we would. So yeah. Good call. [00:45:45] Brett: [00:45:45] So w in our discord, w w there’s some, some weird stuff pops up now. And then, uh, I recently was enamored with KC night fangs, uh, [00:46:00] coffee setup. Did you, did you look at that? [00:46:02] Christina: [00:46:02] I did. And it is intense. [00:46:05] Brett: [00:46:05] Yeah, it’s uh, it’s uh, how do you describe it? A vacuum extracted cold brew, Turkish coffee set up. [00:46:14] He’s making it with something called death, wish Odin force. And he’s doing a triple brew on it. So it’s like a, um, a week long probably process with all of these vacuum tubes and beakers. And it’s crazy. It reminds me of black blood of the earth. [00:46:31]Christina: [00:46:31] Yeah, I was going to say, I was like, I look at this and I’m like, this looks like a science experiment. Like he’s got like stuff. Like it’s like, I don’t know what he’s. I mean, it’s, it’s very impressive. [00:46:41] Brett: [00:46:41] Yeah, I, uh, I want to try it. I told him he should sell this stuff. Uh, I. Yeah, well, we’ll see. We’ll see if I ever get my hands on. I used to buy black blood of the earth. Um, I can’t remember the guy’s name right now. Uh, he was on my podcast and I can’t remember his name, but [00:47:00] he did something similar and would sell this stuff by the, by the flask. [00:47:05] And, uh, it was first I first tried it at Macworld. Uh, do you remember the monk? Um, he’s a father now, but he was brother Gabriel at the time. And, uh, and he would walk around with a bottle of black blood of the earth and he let me try it. And it was so caffeinated, like it is the stiffest coffee you’ll ever drink. [00:47:30] Um, which is Casey night fangs goal is to increase caffeine while decreasing. He’s trying to replace energy drinks. And the thing with energy drinks is they work because you’re mixing caffeine with carbonation and sugar. It’s the same reason I bought the red bull works, caffeine, the sugar, and the KA carbonation increased the absorption into the bloodstream. [00:47:52] So to replace energy drinks, you need something highly caffeinated. And I, I think it looks like he’s going to do [00:48:00] it. [00:48:00]Christina: [00:48:00] Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, I think you’re right. No, and I’m looking at this and just, I’m so impressed, like using lab equipment to brew coffee. I don’t have the patience for this. [00:48:10] Brett: [00:48:10] Yeah, me either. I, I, I don’t like to wait more than five minutes for my coffee, except in the case of Turkish coffee, I’ll wait 10 minutes. [00:48:19] Christina: [00:48:19] So for me, it’s not the waiting thing. Like that’s fine. It’s the setup. It’s the cleanup. It’s the whole thing. Like there would be too many moving parts that I’d be like, fuck this. Now I’m done. [00:48:27] Brett: [00:48:27] Well, also the, one of the things I like about coffee, no matter which process I’m using is that like the kind of ritual of, of the process. And I like to do it per cup, and it’s not really a ritual if you set it up at the beginning of the week and then you’re just drinking out of the fridge. [00:48:43] Christina: [00:48:43] Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. See, you’re right. Like, I don’t enjoy that ritual. So like for me, I wouldn’t do that for you. I could see how this would be somebody who would, even for you who loves the bridge. I think it was, they maybe, especially for you who loves the visual, like this would be, you would need to really love this particular ritual [00:49:00] of this process to do it. [00:49:02] Brett: [00:49:02] Yeah. Anyway. [00:49:03] Christina: [00:49:03] cause it’s a lot, but I’m very impressed. Like productized, this, sell this, like for real. Cause if people, people like, like he, he, he should totally productize and sell this cause people get crazy about their coffee. So Casey night thing, like make, I don’t know, like we’ll help you. We’ll help you build a splashy website that [00:49:26] Brett: [00:49:26] write a jingle for you. [00:49:28] Christina: [00:49:28] yeah. [00:49:28] Brett: [00:49:28] my God. I just realized that I don’t mean to take you out of the moment, but Zyvox is at the beginning of this show when it goes tired. So tired. That’s Zar [00:49:41] Christina: [00:49:41] Oh my God. Holy shit. [00:49:44] Brett: [00:49:44] Yeah. I love him so much. I made him part of our, our donut [00:49:48]Christina: [00:49:48] I love that. No, and I, I definitely have heard those are box please. Yeah, that’s so good. No, we, we can make them, but yeah, we help them. The website, jingle, bummed. I’m serious. Like this could be one of those [00:50:00] things where you just like, find like a, a mass supplier, a place to like drop shit, like drop ship, ladder equipment, and then you don’t even have to like, carry the inventory like Casey. [00:50:09] And I think like you could do this just. Come up with some sort of name like Bulletproof coffee, but you know, not that, but something like that. [00:50:18] Brett: [00:50:18] Yeah. [00:50:18] Christina: [00:50:18] that’s a real thing. [00:50:20] Brett: [00:50:20] death wish Odin force is it? I assume that’s like a brand of coffee, but that seems like a great kind of, uh, uh, a bar set for naming it. [00:50:33] Christina: [00:50:33] Yeah. I would agree with that. I mean, he, he could also just call it like overtired coffee, but, um, [00:50:39] Brett: [00:50:39] Ooh. I would, I would offer our branding for that. [00:50:41] Christina: [00:50:41] I would too. This is what I’m saying. Like I would, it would work and it also like our album art, like as coffee beans. So the whole thing works. [00:50:50] Brett: [00:50:50] Um, man, with on the bottle, it would say get some sleep, Christina, and then on the back it would say, get some sleep, Brett. [00:50:56] Christina: [00:50:56] Yes, [00:50:57]Brett: [00:50:57] And then it would say, no, [00:51:00] because this is coffee that will kill you. This is a heart attack waiting to happen. Yeah. W w we really haven’t taken advantage of all the money we can make on selling our branding rights. [00:51:11]Christina: [00:51:11] And, and this is a problem. So Casey and I think, um, you could get into the ground floor. No, but also seriously, this, that looks amazing. And I’m very happy that, uh, you shared that with us. [00:51:21]Brett: [00:51:21] Have you ever used a S D F [00:51:24]so you’ve used like, Uh, PI Enver RBN or RVM like version managers. [00:51:32] Christina: [00:51:32] Yes, I did actually just add this to my, to my GitHub stars though, but I have not used ASD if I want to do to talk about it. [00:51:38] Brett: [00:51:38] Yeah. So it it’s basically, uh, it, it strives to be an all purpose environment, uh, like version manager. So with something like RVM, you can, you can have like four different versions of Ruby and cell or [00:51:52] Christina: [00:51:52] Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I use MBM all the [00:51:55] Brett: [00:51:55] Yeah. And then like per project, you it’s, it’s like little containers [00:52:00] and you can have different environments per project. [00:52:03] Uh, ASD F combines all of the version management. So you have, uh, Python and node and Ruby, and even like utilities like F ZF. If you need to use multiple versions of certain utilities, they have plugins. And because it’s all plugin based, you can add. Basically Virgin management for anything. I have, I switched over to it. [00:52:28] I miss some things about RVM. Um, like RVM had a use command where I could type RVM use. Three.zero.zero. And I could temporarily use Ruby. Uh, you have to actually, if you type, uh, ASD F local Ruby 3.0, it will actually write 3.0 to your dot file in the current folder, and then you’ll be using it. But to change it back, you have to run local again. [00:52:58] And I, I [00:53:00] ju that’s just a minor inconvenience. So overall, uh, I have had great luck with SDF. [00:53:06]Christina: [00:53:06] Okay, I’m going to try this because yeah, I’ve used and I’ve used, uh, MBM and I don’t, I don’t really do anything in Ruby, but when I have before I’ve used, you know, RBN um, too. So no, I love this because this does actually solve. The problem, which is having to deal with a bunch of different version managers like, like note for instance, is a classic one. [00:53:28] Like the best way to install node to be totally honest is to install NVM because otherwise it gets too complicated. And, but then there’s like, notice like there, there are competing forms of node, version management and whatnot. Um, I use NPM, [00:53:44] Brett: [00:53:44] prior, prior to ASD F I was just using brew link and I would install like specific versions of brew, uh, node through brew, and then just brew link node at 10 note at 11, it was not elegant though. [00:53:59][00:54:00] Christina: [00:53:59] no elegant. And that’s not even officially supported by node. Like node is pretty clear that like, they don’t want you using Homebrew and in the M is actually very clear that you do not use Homebrew with MBN. Like you need to install that from, from, you know, from their own like curler or WCAB or whatever. [00:54:15] Um, but, uh, I, I don’t know is his ASD is on homebrewers at a similar thing where you need to like install it directly from it’s from its get repo, which is fine. [00:54:24] Brett: [00:54:24] brew brew, search a S D F. Um, I, this is dead air while we wait for Bruce search to work, this is the longest it’s ever taken. It knows I’m recording. Yes, it’s on brew. [00:54:40] Christina: [00:54:40] Okay. Okay, cool. But yeah, I know. That’s uh, that’s awesome. So, yeah, cause I tell you added that. I added that to my stars, which actually on that note, I overtired pod.com. My stars are now available. [00:54:51] Brett: [00:54:51] Yeah, you’re welcome. Um, [00:54:53] Christina: [00:54:53] Thank you. Thank [00:54:54] Brett: [00:54:54] we talked about it like ages ago, how Christina has great get hubs [00:55:00] stars and, uh, and I thought. Wouldn’t it be fun to, uh, bring them in, have a list of Christina’s current stars on our site? I not sure it’s properly updating because it still says tweet shot was your most recent star. [00:55:17] Christina: [00:55:17] Oh, that is not. That is not [00:55:18] Brett: [00:55:18] So I need to go in and figure out if it’s cashing these too hard. Um, in fact, that’s probably exactly what it’s doing is cashing them, but, um, yeah. So if you ever want to know what’s cool in the get hub world, overtired pod.com can be your central hub for, for the latest and greatest curated by our own Christina Warren. [00:55:42] Christina: [00:55:42] Indeed indeed. Um, and, and to beat shot is cool. It’s not exactly what I wanted it to do, but it comes close enough. There was like a web app that somebody had built. That was really perfect. So occasionally what happens is I would need to take screenshots of tweets, but. I really wanted an a 16 by nine [00:56:00] format where the tweet is captured well, and then it’s put on top of like a, a nice looking background and then I can use it, um, basically as like a screen for, um, like, uh, when I’m doing like a news update thing. [00:56:13] Like, this is basically for my show that I do this week on channel nine, um, Twitter, something which Twitter changed and the person who wrote the web app. As an updated it and it doesn’t work. And unfortunately he never put it on GitHub. So I knew he was using selenium and he was doing some other stuff, but he never put what he was doing. [00:56:29] I’d get up. And I’d reached out to him, like when I first discovered the project to thank him for it and ask, Hey, do you have a source or whatever, never responded. And so there are a number of different, like tweet libraries, that’ll create capture stuff, but none of them to be exactly what I want. So I’m probably going to have to build something. [00:56:47] But, um, but tweet shot is actually kind of cool cause it’s a, it it’s a Mac app that you basically, you know, um, can build like a node Mac app, and basically you enter in a URL and it’ll [00:57:00] do a pretty good job of taking like, you know, um, a screenshot, um, from Twitter and darker light mode and, and saving that file. [00:57:08] So that’s what that is. [00:57:09] Brett: [00:57:09] I’m going to have to go in. I like, I wrote this as, or I actually, I ripped off another plugin and hacked it to show your stars. Now I have to figure out why it’s not updating. Why did it work once? And then stop. That’s the question. I’ll figure it out. I always figure it out. That’s what I do. Um, all right. [00:57:28] Well, I feel like that was, that was an appropriately ADHD, uh, post vaccination episode of, over-tired not like, not like classic crazy over, but it it’ll work. It’ll do. [00:57:43] Christina: [00:57:43] It’ll do, and we’re really, we got up her shot. So if, hopefully you out there are close to getting a shot and, uh, congrats and, and fingers costs for everybody wherever you are in the world. That you know, this is all starting to SOLs all feeling like it’s coming to [00:58:00] an end. Finally. [00:58:00] Brett: [00:58:00] Um, finally I’m I am so close now to getting back to my normal of making out with strangers and crowded nightclubs. [00:58:07] Christina: [00:58:07] Hell yeah, me too. [00:58:09] Brett: [00:58:09] Totally. All right, we’ll get some, get some sleep, Christina. [00:58:14] Christina: [00:58:14] Get some sleep Brett.

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And then the next day came around and you were having a rough day. And then the next day came around and I hadn’t slept all night. And here we are today. [00:00:47] Christina: [00:00:47] And here we are today. Exactly. And I took today off. So because we got like, They gave us, they gave us these five, like mental health days, in addition to our like sick time and vacation, which is [00:01:00] really, really kind of them. The only, only thing is, is that you have to take them by a certain time. And they don’t, um, like count as official vacation or sick days or whatever, because that means that they don’t have to pay for them. [00:01:16] Um, which incidentally is like the whole scam of unlimited vacation. Like companies that go like oh we give unlimited vacation. It’s like, no, you, you know that people aren’t going to take more than what the normal allotted amount is. And this just prevents you from having to pay out vacation time when they leave Like that’s all it is It’s such a scam Netflix started it but it’s such a scam [00:01:36] So [00:01:36] Brett: [00:01:36] has unlimited vacation And I was curious how that would work how how it will play out [00:01:41] Christina: [00:01:41] Yeah So it’s it’s not terrible Right The only thing that’s terrible about it is that when you leave Oracle you won’t get your payout So like if I were to leave Microsoft tomorrow I have three weeks plus of of like okay so they let you carry over up to three weeks a year or something um like [00:02:00] 120 hours And after that if you have too much that you’re bringing over they’re like screw you Although I think in California they can’t do that but in other States they can uh and then you earn three weeks a year like over the course of things So I’ve got like a month plus a vacation So if I were to leave tomorrow they would have to pay me for that But if I worked at a place that had unlimited vacation then when I left it’d be like see ya So [00:02:26] Brett: [00:02:26] I see I see I see how it works now I still like the idea of like if I get my stuff done I can just take you time. Although I can’t see myself never in my life have I actually used all my available available vacation days. [00:02:41] Christina: [00:02:41] Me either. W w which is like, it’s such an American thing. Like, honestly, like we’re 100%, it comes from a puritanical roots, I think, because, you know, like there’s the whole, like, work equals like closer to Godness or whatever. Like genuinely, I, [00:03:00] this is like, comes, it comes all, comes from matching. Because if you look at Europe, I mean, there are parts of Asia that are obviously hardworking, um, overworked, similar to where we are Japan, for instance, although not Asian, not all Asian countries, but like, you look at Europe, Europe, they’re like, yeah, we get drunk in the afternoon and we take holiday and it’s a known thing. [00:03:19] And like, if you don’t give people, like everybody in Europe gets like six weeks of vacation a year, you know, it’s [00:03:24] Brett: [00:03:24] And their maternity leave is crazy in most countries. Like you can, you can basically get a year of like paid leave if you have a kid, like yeah. That stuff is so foreign to us. We’re so obsessed with work here. [00:03:37] Christina: [00:03:37] We are so obsessed with work. Yeah. It’s like, huh? I wonder why we all die. So, so young, why were also overweight? Like, I mean, not you and I, but like [00:03:48] Brett: [00:03:48] Oh, I’m overweight. It’s okay. I gained it. I gained it back. Not all of it, but I, yeah, no, I’m cool with it. I understand how bodies work anyway. [00:04:00] Yes. Vacation. Uh, we don’t use it. Uh, America is overworked. Uh, [00:04:07] Christina: [00:04:07] anyway, but yeah, I took today off, so I was just like, yep, we’re going to do this. And then I might go at my, go to sleep after we do this. I might not. It just depends. I was just like, yeah. I mean, I just got a new keyboard that I want to put together. I’m just going to have a good long weekend. So, [00:04:21] Brett: [00:04:21] So tell me about your new keyboard. [00:04:24] Christina: [00:04:24] well, first we want to do a breast mental health corner update. [00:04:26] Brett: [00:04:26] Oh, geez. Yeah. Oh, okay. So. Uh, I take this stuff called Saphris uh, it’s an anti-psychotic, um, which is like, I don’t know what that exactly means. Uh, like half the drugs I take are anti-psychotics and I don’t exactly have any psychosis in my diagnosis. Ooh, psychosis, diagnosis, band name, write that down. Um, but anyway, it, I take it. [00:04:56] It’s one of those, it melts under your tongue. We’ve talked about it once before. Um, and [00:05:00] they upped it by two and a half milligrams. So now I take 17 and a half milligrams of Saphris and that two and a half milligrams seems to have made a big difference. Like my, my mood swings have been way milder and way shorter, and I haven’t had any real depression to speak of for over a month. [00:05:18] So mentally health-wise, other than one night of bad sleep, I’m doing pretty damn good. How are you? [00:05:26] Christina: [00:05:26] Um, I’m doing okay. I’m doing okay. I mean, I took a mental health day, uh, and I had, um, kind of a panic attack the other day, but like, that’s just, I think situational, but otherwise I’m okay. [00:05:38] Brett: [00:05:38] So panic attacks are usually stress-related. Are you stressed? Yeah. Is your job stressful? [00:05:46]Christina: [00:05:46] I don’t want to get into it, but yeah, there were some changes that happened recently, which are fine. Like I’m okay. Everything’s okay. It’s just, there was some unexpected stuff that has happened and, and it just, yeah, it leads stress. [00:05:57] Brett: [00:05:57] wasn’t asking for details. I was just curious if it was work [00:06:00] related or personal, [00:06:02] Christina: [00:06:02] Yeah, no. In this case I think it was well in,ande, this is the fucked thing. [00:06:05] This is the fucked thing about America. It’s like where’s the line. Right. [00:06:07] Okay [00:06:08] Brett: [00:06:08] right? Sure. Um, how ha’how has the, how are the Elon Musk fan boys doing? [00:06:15] Christina: [00:06:15] Oh yeah. Great, great. Uh, great question. So, yeah, so right as we recorded this, um, I made an innocuous. To me quit because Elon Musk decided to get in a fight with the The Onion today. he, cause he’s a fucking idiot. He was very offended that they like made an article about like, um, billionaires and how they became rich. [00:06:38] And for him, they listed Texas apartheid he, which is, it was just hilarious. Right. And then he got really mad cause he’s like, yeah, just because I’m from South Africa. And just because my dad’s rich doesn’t mean that like I was, you know, a beneficiary of apartheid. I came here with only $2,500 and dah, dah, dah, dah, like you went on this whole like explanatory thing. [00:06:58] It’s like, dude, no one [00:07:00] cares also. It was a joke. and so, so I, I quote tweeted something like, um, Maybe Elon Musk should, um, hire away the staff of the onion to start his own satirical publication and then lose interest and stop funding the project, uh, before it even launches. Um, Oh wait, he already did that because that is actually a thing that he did. [00:07:24] Um, and, um, and then somebody responded to that, uh, uh, usual follower of mine and he was like, Oh, Elon Musk was also telling people to read the Babylon bee instead. And, and the guy was like, the Babylon bee is, is like, you know, um, trans and, and homophobic and whatnot. And, and you know, it is, and it’s like, it, it, like, it goes beyond, in my opinion, like the line where you’re like, Oh, this is satire. [00:07:46] It’s like, if you’re being satirical, but you’re also making very clearly like homophobic and transphobic sorts of things. Like, I don’t think that the, you know, guys, Oh, this is a joke gets to cover you. Like, you can [00:08:00] be satirical and also be racist or, or whatever, like, you know, so, um, I retweeted that and that apparently I guess, cause cause he has fanboys who literally search his name. [00:08:12] Cause I didn’t @ him or anything. I didn’t, I didn’t do that. Um, who literally search his name and I guess look for people with blue check marks because then, um, first, uh, Jeremiah started getting a shit ton of just like angry responses. And then I started getting some and so some guy was like, a reporter and podcast hosts thinks that, you know, um, criticizes Elon Musk and he’s done all these things and I responded to them and I’m like, and software developer, but thanks. [00:08:37] And then he’s like, and I’m like, he’s not going to fuck you, Elon is not fuck you Um and then I tweeted something that directly said that you know a friend of mine was getting you know tons of anger replies and that um newsflash like Elon Musk is not going to fuck you Uh which admittedly completely kicking the hornet’s nest I I’m aware [00:08:58] Brett: [00:08:58] I mean these are trolls to begin [00:09:00] with and you’re [00:09:00] Christina: [00:09:00] 100% but also he’s not going to fuck you Like I I’m not And I tweeted this too cause I’m I genuinely feel this Like I don’t want to kink shame anybody but simping for a billionaire is fucking weird [00:09:14] Brett: [00:09:14] So here’s here’s the here’s where this leads me And and I feel like this could be the the overriding theme for our show How good do you think Elon Musk is in bed No not how Okay That was a leading question How do you think Elon Musk is in bed Think So? I think it would be weird and weird can be like weird can be good but I feel like it would be half ass weird [00:09:40] Christina: [00:09:40] Yeah here’s the thing like I’m not saying he’s like the worst lay ever Um but I don’t think that he’s good I think here’s actually here’s what I think I think he’s a very selfish lover right Like I don’t think he gives a shit about whether his partner comes or not I think he’s all about he gets off and then she can either maybe she gets off or maybe like [00:10:00] she has to use a vibrator Like I don’t think he actually cares though [00:10:02] Brett: [00:10:02] But bet it would be a super fancy vibrator [00:10:05] Christina: [00:10:05] Totally Which you know what That might make it great But I I like, honestly, I mean, maybe that maybe that’s what makes it work, but like, I mean, look, the dude had to get hair plugs after he was a billionaire to be able to, to be able to fuck women. [00:10:21] So, um, [00:10:24] Brett: [00:10:24] plugs. I didn’t realize [00:10:25] Christina: [00:10:25] Yeah. Yeah. Like, like he, like, he has the same plugs that, uh, what’s his face. Um, Jeremy Piven has, um, it’s, they’re quite good. Um, whatever his transplant or plugs situation was like, it’s, it’s quite good. yeah he was he was like bald And then he was with this woman who was like with him when he was nobody And then he left her for the nanny I think And then he left the nanny for somebody else Then he went back to the nanny they had a very messy divorce And um after the messy divorce they got back together and had another messy breakup Then he was with Amber heard [00:11:00] and then and now he’s with Grimes And so all I’m saying is is that other than like the first Wife who was clearly like loved him and like he you know fucked over um because he was rich when they got divorced but he wasn’t like rich like he is now And like you know she had some of his his first kids or whatever Um all of the subsequent like much hotter women have only come after He’s been both rich and had to get hair plugs And like to me if you have to alter like it’s so it’s not a thing where he can just like okay you’re rich And you can like get somebody to you know marry you or or sleep with you or whatever Like if you have to also alter your appearance that suggests to me that like you’re either not as much of like you’re not as you don’t spend as much or whatever And and you’re not able to find people who would just suck it up or you’re like a fairly selfish like self-involved like person who [00:11:57] Brett: [00:11:57] Well absolutely he’s a total [00:12:00] narcissist that’s clear from every interview he does. [00:12:03] Christina: [00:12:03] Oh, yeah, no. So he used to follow the Gizmodo Twitter account. And so we used to DM him and he would do like interviews with us sometimes. [00:12:10] And, um, it was interesting because we’d be pretty combative with him and I have to give him credit. He was, he would answer questions back. Um, it got to the point, I think we were too combative and we wrote too many stories about our DM conversations with him, where he was like, I’m not doing this anymore. [00:12:24] But, um, I did, I have to genuinely say, like, I appreciated that about him. Cause most people, uh, have better things to do than like get into arguments with reporters. You know, like, especially if they’re as rich as him and if they’re allegedly so smart and important and doing all these amazing, amazing things and saving humanity as, as his fanboys want us to believe, like maybe you should, maybe you should not be like engaging with like people at Gawker. [00:12:57] All I’m saying like, I don’t [00:12:58] Brett: [00:12:58] it sounds like a hobby, [00:13:00] [00:13:00] Christina: [00:13:00] I mean, totally. And. [00:13:01] Brett: [00:13:01] When don’t really need the exposure at all [00:13:06] Christina: [00:13:06] It’s a hobby And it’s also I mean I I’m not I can’t even pretend like I don’t appreciate it cause I’m what am I doing right now I’m I’m spending time on our podcast talking about how I’m purposefully trolling his fans I didn’t set out to to get like people like all of them I mentioned and all up in my friends mentioned about shit like that Wasn’t my intention Um I didn’t if I if I’d added him that would have been that I didn’t but um you know but once they started I was like okay well now I just want to fuck with you because you’re symping for a billionaire and that’s weird and hilarious to me [00:13:40] Brett: [00:13:40] So if I title this episode Elon Musk and the very fancy vibrator do you think we’ll get a whole bunch of new very angry fans [00:13:47] Christina: [00:13:47] Oh God I hope so Subscribe or follow our podcast We’re not supposed to subscribe follow our podcasts Um yeah [00:13:55] Brett: [00:13:55] Yeah So back to your keyboard tell me about this this new keyboard [00:14:00] kit [00:14:00] Christina: [00:14:00] Yeah Okay So my friend Charles tan who is a big fan of of um rocket on the other podcast that I do is amazing He was actually planning this last year and before he even saw me saying that I was like wanting to get into mechanical keyboards So he’s the best but he ordered this kit for me from KBD fans uh when it was like a group buy And there’s actually a second group by open right now for a slight revision of this kit But this is the the KBD67 Lite And it’s um a hot swappable mechanical keyboard with RGB And um it it comes pre-assembled but you can completely take it apart and it has hotspot switches But if you uh you know if you you can take the whole it came like with the case and with the um uh the base plate the PCB the uh dampeners you know Um all that stuff then you just need to add whatever switches or cues you want um to it But um I’m super excited about it [00:15:00] Uh I’m he also sent me a bunch of switches He sent me some purple switches and some um um uh great pandas And um he sent me um a very nice um key cap uh set So it’s going to go amazingly with my my white PC that I just built because it’s it’s a white case and the key caps are white and I’m just super super excited [00:15:23] to [00:15:24] Brett: [00:15:24] on my version, one of the ultimate hacking keyboard, I, I did a white key cap set and I really liked it. I do like white key caps. [00:15:32]Christina: [00:15:32] Yeah. Yeah, but I’m super stoked about this because, you know, we were talking before and I, like, I also like mentioned this on Twitter that I’ve, um, wanted to, uh, like I started to kind of go down this rabbit hole of like the building, your own things and was nice about this kid is that it’s a relatively low price. [00:15:49] So like the one that’s available for group buy now it’s available for another couple of weeks and then it’ll ship at the end of may. Like it’s relatively inexpensive for kind of an entry level, you know, kit. Cause it comes with the [00:16:00] PCB and the spacers and the dampeners and the, um, the case and stuff. Um, but you have your own switches and keys and, and whatnot, um, and, uh, But, but it’s relatively inexpensive rebuilt who kind of want to enter into the hobby, but also want to have like the, they want to build it themselves, but they don’t want to have to, they don’t want us to solve her. [00:16:23] Right. So, uh, it’s kind of a nice kind of middle ground area for that, which is definitely me because I don’t have the patience to do the soldering of like a fully custom built. I just don’t, I don’t have the patience. I also don’t think that the soldering skill to be, um, completely honest, [00:16:42] Brett: [00:16:42] By the time you finished a keyboard, you’d have the skill, who knows what would happen on the way [00:16:47] Christina: [00:16:47] will Exactly I mean it’s one of those things like these components are so hard to get and they’re so expensive that you know we talked about this before that I um wanted um I can’t think um you know [00:17:00] I I wanted to look at how to um do this stuff and wanted to like look at like buying different you know parts and whatnot And it’s like Almost as difficult Okay Getting a graphics card right now is more difficult objectively but I think that on the whole like getting keyboard stuff is more difficult than getting PC parts Like it’s incredibly competitive and it’s incredibly difficult to find the stuff and cause it’s a niche hobby but it’s also growing and you know it’s it’s just uh like there are only a few manufacturers who do stop And so you have people who like the resellers who have who are popping up who will buy a bunch of the group buy things or do other stuff and be basically act as importers and then you know raise the prices And then you have like uh various subreddits that it’ll be like like you know max swap or whatever that’ll that’ll do certain things But um like if you want to get in on stuff it can be incredibly [00:18:00] difficult And it takes a while because You know most of the time that the only way these things happen is is in group buys I’ve learned so much just in the last couple of months just like going down the rabbit hole of this But Charles apparently knew me before I even knew myself because he placed the order on black Friday And then it took him a while to to wait for some of the other things to get in and and he mailed it to me and I got it um the other day And I’m so excited to build it into to play with it [00:18:27] Brett: [00:18:27] Um I’m looking at the key diagram is it It’s not programmable right It is Okay Because in the in the key cap layout they have there’s a page up page down and an end key but no home key Why why would you not have a home [00:18:42] Christina: [00:18:42] No no Cause um any you could use alts right Like like use all things Yeah It um no uses QM K and um via so is it’s fully programmable [00:18:51] Brett: [00:18:51] Also who uses page up and page down Have you ever used those keys Yeah me either I don’t They always when I accidentally hit them they [00:19:00] surprise me like where did my screen go anyway [00:19:04] Christina: [00:19:04] Yeah no So so it’s programmable um using um whatever the firmware and what are the other things are And um yeah I’m excited. Thank you. Thank you. How’s uh, how’s the, um, ultimate hacking keyboard to treating you. [00:19:20] Brett: [00:19:20] Overall, it’s a dream. I love it. It’s great. But I lost my right bracket, right. Curly bracket key. Like I have to hit it three or four times before it registers and then sometimes it’ll register twice. So, uh, this is most apparent. Like, I mean, obviously it’s apparent when I’m coding and I need to close a bracket, but I use uh command shift bracket, keys for tabs and just about every app. [00:19:45] And if an app doesn’t support that I reprogram it to because that’s my, that’s how I switch tabs. And now I can only move to the left. I can’t move to the right. And it’s, it’s, it’s driving me nuts. I have a, I have an email into Laszlo to find out how I [00:20:00] fix this, but that is a bad key to lose. Eh, there’s no good key to lose, but anyway, it’s overall. [00:20:07] It’s great. It does have, like, I probably shouldn’t publicly talk about the beta, but it has this funny bug where the RGB backlighting sometimes goes a little bit crazy and like keys, just alternate different colors. And then if you, if you engage the mouse layer and nudge the mouse, just one pixel, it goes back to the correct lighting. [00:20:29] So we’re working on that and the a, and the GitHub forums right now, but it’s fun. I like beta testing. [00:20:37] Christina: [00:20:37] Yeah, no, I do too. I do too. It’s it’s a, it’s a fun process and you’re the ultimate perfect beta test or like no one could be any better than you because you, um, get really, really into stuff. Like this is like the part of your ADHD, which lets you like hyper focus on things. You are pay attention to detail and then you’re technical enough to like try all the shit. [00:21:00] [00:21:00] So like you find the edge cases. [00:21:01] Brett: [00:21:01] Yeah. Um, speaking of, Nope, can’t do it yet. Um, you know what I got hyper-focused on, uh, over the last couple of days, uh, scripting a clean install. [00:21:15] Christina: [00:21:15] Oh, nice. [00:21:16] Brett: [00:21:16] And I don’t even plan to do a clean install, but a friend of mine, uh, uh, Jeff Severns Guntzel, I don’t know if you know him, but he’s awesome. Um, he has been, uh, he took a course in dot files. [00:21:28] He’s like, he’s, he’s kind of like relearning command line stuff and like really diving into, uh, scripting and, and we’ll say, uh, dot files specifically right now. And, uh, he, he keeps sharing these cool dot file repos with me that made me realize I I’ve never organized my dot files. Like I have most of them sync through mackup back up, but, uh, but having repo and an install script using dotbot, [00:22:00] I, I like completely reorganized everything. [00:22:03] And now I can do a get pull on any machine and have my dot files all in place. It’s uh, it’s cool. And then I went like nuts with it. And do you know what a brew file is? I had just learned. So for anyone who doesn’t know, I like I didn’t two days ago, uh, if you’re a familiar with a gem and bundler brew file is basically bundler for home brew and you can create a, a file that has like abbreviated commands for installing any, uh, any cask or any formula, and then just run brew, bundle. [00:22:40] And it’ll, re-install everything in your file. So whenever you install something new from brew, you can just add it to your brew file. And in the future, you’ll be able to replicate your setup [00:22:50] Christina: [00:22:50] Yeah, I’ve, I’ve done that. Um, I need to update it, but I’ve used both, um, the, um, um, the dotbot and I’ve used before. I think I [00:23:00] found them because can’t remember the guy’s last name is Matthias, who has like the default, like macOS um, uh, that guy who kind of maintains that thing that’s kind of considered like the you know [00:23:12] Brett: [00:23:12] for [00:23:13] Christina: [00:23:13] the gold standard. [00:23:13] Exactly. Precisely. So like, if you’re going to do like, like an Ansible or brew file or whatever, sort of, kind of, kind of like automated, like install thing, like his is the one to go through and, um, I, I wasted a ton of time last year, going down the similar rabbit hole that you went through and now I’m going to need to, I need to do it again because, um, some stuff in my, my setup or whatever has changed also, it’s just fun. [00:23:38] But, uh, I love that and yeah, I, I use, um, I went through a similar thing, I guess it was about 18 months ago where I finally like sat down and like, got my dot files organized. They’re not public. I should probably make them public, but I feel self-conscious about them. Um, but I, I use like the dotbot to basically, [00:24:00] you know, make it so that I can go on any machine and, and have access to it. [00:24:06] Brett: [00:24:06] Be being made public. Um, there’s a subsection of them that I’d be happy to make public, but they’re also not anything special and everything that’s special is very personalized and I just don’t feel like it’s uh for public consumption, but have you ever used Mackup? [00:24:22]It’s [00:24:23] Christina: [00:24:23] I, [00:24:23] Brett: [00:24:23] okay. It’s a, a brew You can install it through home brew and you run up backup and it it has like a hundred some different applications that it works with and it’ll move all of the preference files [00:24:39] and [00:24:39] Christina: [00:24:39] yeah [00:24:40] Brett: [00:24:40] uh configuration directories into your Dropbox and then SIM link them back so that in the future on a new machine you can type Mac up restore and it’ll just symlink them all from the Dropbox [00:24:53] Christina: [00:24:53] Yes I I’m aware of that I might’ve used it years ago I haven’t used it in recent years I think that what [00:25:00] happened in in it might be have been resolved Now the problem I’ve found is that macOS has changed where a lot of file like a lot of applications have changed where they stored like their their um preferences and like plist files like they’re all now within these containers within these other things And that makes it difficult to do Or at least it might be different now but I remember running into issues where stuff that had worked suddenly didn’t work And then when I tried to do a restore like the directory name will be different or be some other weird thing and it would break [00:25:35] Brett: [00:25:35] here’s [00:25:36] Christina: [00:25:36] why I stopped [00:25:36] Brett: [00:25:36] The problem with mackup is exactly that like the first time you run the backup and you run and restore and under the machine it works great but things do drift over time and mackup keeps coming out with new versions that that keep up with this stuff But once you’ve run a backup you can’t easily back up You can’t update the backup like it it doesn’t selectively [00:26:00] uh go through and just update the things that change you have to like basically uninstall mackup, restore everything back to its original directories and then do the backup again And that sucks [00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] Okay Yeah Yeah Um that that’s now making sense I’m now remembering why And I don’t even think that when I was I don’t even think even got to that point where I was like okay I can uninstall restore re-install and do it I think I got to the place where like a broke a couple of things one time And it was one of those things where the process of having to kind of like get myself out of that hole was annoying enough that I was like all right I’m just not going to use this anymore But the idea is awesome [00:26:39] Brett: [00:26:39] Anytime you’re dealing with like SIM links all over your drive you you you’re you’re you’re asking for a certain amount of trouble [00:26:47] Christina: [00:26:47] You are Yeah That’s the thing too Like there were certain applications and certain things I do but at this point This is actually why I kind of prefer when an app will work with iCloud because you know to to sync [00:27:00] a preference file something like that, to me is the ideal thing, even though it’s maybe not the most, you know, preferable thing, like I, I actually would prefer them to have the way that it used to work before, but yes, symlinks are too, there’s like too much of a chance of breakage. [00:27:18] Um, so I don’t know if it’s got to the point that they’re in the, or I either want the application itself to be able to do like a backup thing. Like, um, VSCode has a setting sync built into it now, but there was also for, for many years and I think it still exists. I’m not sure what the state of it being updated is, you know, but there was like an extension that would basically take your, um, uh, preferences file and uploaded as a, um, uh, Private just in GitHub and then you could go and, um, use the, uh, extension to download, um, the content of that just, and inhabit replaced, or append your vs code preferences file. [00:27:58] Uh, which [00:28:00] is awesome. And, and I had a couple of different variants, like one for work, one for home, like one for [00:28:04] Brett: [00:28:04] Oh profiles. [00:28:06] Christina: [00:28:06] Yeah. Pro basically. Right. And you could set, you can create profiles and, in VScode, but like, I, I made it with setting sync because for me, I didn’t want like workspaces, which are different. [00:28:15] Um, but, um, now it’s something that like, they’ve got built into VS code and, and they’re working at and kind of options like to, you know, uh, and it’s gotten pretty good about being able to figure out, like, if you’re using an extension that doesn’t work on one operating system or whatever, like how to handle complex like that. [00:28:33] Uh, and that’s built in, and, and I think that way that it works is fairly similar, but it doesn’t in the background. Like you don’t actually need to connect it to a GitHub account. You just log in with, like, you can log in with your GitHub account or, or, or a Microsoft account, but like, you don’t have to connect it to your own personal GitHub where it like, has the gist there it’s, it’s doing it. [00:28:52] Um, uh, server side, um, you know, uh, vs code side with some people might not like, but for me, I don’t care. Like I [00:29:00] work at Microsoft, so I’m like, whatever. Um, but I, but I understand some people might not like that, which is why it’s nice that like the other extension is an option, but that’s kind of where I’ve gone, where fortunately, most of the applications that I customized heavily have a way for me to like, have some sort of cloud based thing, but, um, yeah, but mackup is cool. [00:29:24] Brett: [00:29:24] Have you ever, okay. No. Okay. Let me restart my question with completely different words, because it was the wrong question. Um, so you have insisted to me previously that services work in vs code. They do not, [00:29:41] Christina: [00:29:41] Okay. [00:29:42] Brett: [00:29:42] and it’s not a deal breaker for me, but I, so I just, yesterday, uh, I was working with Jeff actually, and he was, he he’s very good at meticulously commenting. [00:29:55] Uh, what he’s doing so he can remember and learn from it. And one of the [00:30:00] formats of comments he really liked was, uh, if you have a, uh, command, uh, like from the command line that has a bunch of flags and switches in it, uh, if you put it into a script file and then it uses like Andy line drawing to like draw a diagram, basically, and like a line down from each letter in the switch and then a right turn to add a comment and it looks pretty cool and I looked at it and thought that would be such a pain to type out. [00:30:33] And, uh, so I wrote a service that you can select any command line command, and it will generate the structure of all the line drawings. And then you can just fill in the comment each flag. It’s cool, but it only looks really good in vs code. Uh, partly so in sublime, I have a gremlin detector that puts an exclamation point behind any [00:31:00] like non, regular ASCII character. [00:31:04] And that throws off the formatting in my other apps, all my comments turn italics which throws off line drawings, but vs code with whatever font settings I have in there, it looks great. So I use that for all my screenshots, but I couldn’t run the service in vs code. This how came up. [00:31:26] Christina: [00:31:26] Okay. Cause I, it has worked for certain services for me before, like, and I’m even testing it right now. So it [00:31:33] Brett: [00:31:33] Any, anything that acts on text. If you select text, there’s nothing in the right click menu. And if you go up to the top menu and pull down the vs code menu under services, it’ll only have services that don’t run on selected text. I would like you to bring this up with your, your, your masters, [00:31:53] Christina: [00:31:53] Yeah. Yeah, I will. You can also file a PR on GitHub [00:31:56] Brett: [00:31:56] because they do work in sublime. So I know [00:32:00] it’s, it’s possible for non native apps to [00:32:02] Christina: [00:32:02] no, totally well well, okay. Well, okay. But case in point, cause this is why I was confused. It must be selecting text thing because I just go to services and I used one of your services that the MD links. [00:32:12] Brett: [00:32:12] Yeah. And like anything pulls externally and insert text does work, but nothing that operates on text, speaking of operating on text, have you ever, have you seen text buddy? [00:32:25] Christina: [00:32:25] No, I haven’t. [00:32:26] Brett: [00:32:26] Uh, full disclosure text buddy is sponsoring my blog this week and it’s made by a friend of mine, Tyler Hall, but it’s this app, uh, there’s another one called boop that you may have seen, but, uh, it’s an app that basically gives you a pallet of hundreds of text transformations, uh, anything from, you know, changing case to title casing, to, uh, it has a comment wrap feature that I requested and he kindly added. [00:32:53] So if you have a really long comment, uh, like code, you know, starting with slash slash or with, uh, a hash, [00:33:00] uh, you can wrap it and it will uh, extend the comment. Uh, you know what I mean? Like in the middle it’ll start line with the comment marker [00:33:11] Christina: [00:33:11] Exactly No no no I get what you’re saying Oh that’s awesome So it’s kind of it’s kind of like techTextSbut just for like text [00:33:17] Brett: [00:33:17] Yes And then you can you just hit command T you get a pallet of like every possible command And and and run it and then you can automatically copy your clipboard and you can paste it back into whatever you’re working on And can pick up system services if you there’s a secret setting for it But all of them like search link and everything I could run from in text buddy it’s and it has its own like scripting lang Uh it uses JavaScript but you can add your own scripts to it to do any transformations it doesn’t already do It’s super cool I highly recommend it [00:33:48] Christina: [00:33:48] That’s awesome Uh TextBuddy Okay So it seems like that could you could use that as your workaround for for getting your thing to work within VS code to be pretty the way you would want [00:33:56] it to be [00:33:57] Brett: [00:33:57] except for the way that I like to use text [00:34:00] buddy is with its system service that takes your selected text and loads it in text putty automatically [00:34:06] Christina: [00:34:06] okay Okay So I’m going to say you should file a PR about or look to see if anybody is working on it and GitHub Um I’ll I’ll make a note to myself to try to look it up too but see if you can make a note to see like to at least make people aware that like cause it seems like that should be something that they should be able to support work And I would also feel like the it would be a useful thing Um people would want to [00:34:31] Brett: [00:34:31] So I have a GitHub question for you, but first speaking of missing features, do you have gaps in your diet that could be solved by a multivitamin? 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We’re trying to, we’re trying to, uh, you know, keep it tight for the advertisers, but also for our listeners. [00:36:24] Brett: [00:36:24] right. I feel like it’s a double-edged sword. Of course. Last time we got like really verbose with an ad read, uh, like really got into talking about it. And we had like some side stories and I feel like w I thought we were doing a real service for the advertiser at the expense of our listeners, but it turned out our advertiser also wasn’t happy with it. [00:36:45] So it was like a wasted 10 tirade [00:36:48] Christina: [00:36:48] It really was it was just everybody lost including us because we could have been talking about something else We we were like our our hearts were in the right place [00:36:57] Brett: [00:36:57] our heads weren’t but our hearts were [00:37:00] [00:37:00] Christina: [00:37:00] No our heads weren’t that’s actually a really good segue for our next sponsor if you want me to go ahead and just do that one now to get it over [00:37:05] Brett: [00:37:05] Yeah Oh let’s let’s not phrase it like that though I want want you do it because we’re so excited about it [00:37:13] Christina: [00:37:13] No no no I didn’t mean get over with like that I just meant like the segue was really good and I just figured like knock knock them both out Um and uh [00:37:21] and piss [00:37:21] anybody off Speaking of heads speaking of foot and mouth right That’d need a vitamin for that No but but speaking of getting in the right head space if you’re not Wanting to have to troll um Elon Musk fans on Twitter Cause you shouldn’t do that You really probably just need to like be able to focus better Um and and you know after just be better and and this is the whole point of Headspace because wouldn’t it be great if there was like a pocket-sized guide that helped you you know sleep which is a topic that we both struggle with or not topic act [00:37:55] Brett: [00:37:55] It’s a it’s a topic for us It’s cool [00:37:58] Christina: [00:37:58] It’s cool Uh you know [00:38:00] but something that helps you sleep and focus and act or just be better Well there is and if you have 10 minutes Headspace can change your life Headspace is your daily dose of mindfulness in the form of guided meditations and an easy to use app And Headspace is one of the only apps advancing the field of mindfulness and meditation through a clinically valid through clinically validated research And Headspace is meditation start at just one minute each and they even have a set of walking meditation so that they’re easy to fit in even to the busiest schedules And Headspace is proven to help you feel better Their approach to mindfulness can reduce stress improve sleep boost focus and increase your overall sense of wellbeing So whatever the situation Headspace really can help you feel better And um I’m curious um how are the sleepcasts going for you [00:38:54] Brett: [00:38:54] Yeah So like I I love Headspace I’ve been using it for years but the [00:39:00] thing that I’ve loved the most recently is this library of sleep CAS And I have never listened to the same one twice because there’s dozens available and they keep adding new ones and they are there They’re like perfect for winding down And then just Falling asleep to. Like make a lot of their stuff is mindfulness and requires a certain amount of attention But these sleep casts are basically just designed to peacefully log you to sleep And they have been a nightly occurrences for me I love them [00:39:34] Christina: [00:39:34] Uh I definitely need to use this because I’ve used Headspace for years too but I haven’t used the sleepcast And that sounds much more preferable to what I’ve been doing which is to like listen to I’m not even joking about this and I’m whatever but I’ll listen to police interrogations of of like really terrible things And um Mostly cause like the people that they’re interrogating are dumb and like that’s the stuff that [00:40:00] can lull me to sleep So this sounds a lot better to be totally honest Uh and then on the other side of your sleep you’ll find the wake up which is a daily original um which is daily original content that’s intended to inspire your day from the moment you wake up So see again this would be way better than like going to sleep where you’re listening to something terrible And then like waking up kind of thinking about it Like you can use the sleepcasts to go to sleep have good sleep And then when you wake up the wake up will um help inspire your day for the minute that you get up So if you’re feeling overwhelmed Headspace even has a three minutes SOS meditation that you can take Um anytime that you need to do it did you ever think you’d be into meditation [00:40:39] Brett: [00:40:39] So yeah I like I’ve I’ve when we’ve done this read before I’ve mentioned how like with ADHD and bipolar I just didn’t think my brain could Could do meditation Uh but yeah Headspace is awesome because it eases you in with like those one minute and then uh most meditations are 10 minutes long and you can just fit them in without feeling like it’s [00:41:00] a whole uh a whole thing [00:41:04] It [00:41:05] and it’s super beneficial So I did not think I would ever be a meditator but turns out it’s actually been really helpful to me [00:41:15] Christina: [00:41:15] I love that And Headspace is backed by 25 published studies on its benefits 600,005 star reviews and over 60 million downloads Headspace makes it easy for you to build a life changing meditation practice with mindfulness that works for you on your schedule Anytime anywhere you deserve to feel happier And Headspace is meditation made simple So go to headspace.com/overtired that’s headspace.com/overtired free free one month trial with access to headspaces full library of meditations for every situation And this is the best deal offered right now So head on over to headspace.com/overtired today [00:41:58] Brett: [00:41:58] Meditation [00:42:00] situation new band name write that down [00:42:02] Christina: [00:42:02] I like that meditation situation [00:42:04] Brett: [00:42:04] Um [00:42:05] Christina: [00:42:05] You should make a [00:42:06] Brett: [00:42:06] Straight jacket baby That that was one that came up uh baby in a straight jacket was what Anne on parks and rec thought would be a good band name but thought you really should just make it straight jacket baby And that would be way better [00:42:23] Christina: [00:42:23] You know I was in a straight jacket once as a baby [00:42:26] Brett: [00:42:26] Really What you do? [00:42:29] Christina: [00:42:29] Okay. Okay. So I, I was like one and a half, I think. Um, and I was, um, in a high chair. We were at, um, the club. My mom was cutting up my hot dog and I was leaning over and the sharp part of a chair, um, cut from like, basically like my inner eye across the bridge of my nose, to my other inner eye. [00:42:54] And, um, My face is filled with blood. I apparently was fine until [00:43:00] my sister and my mom started freaking out and then I started freaking out. And so, uh, you know, it took me, you know, to the hospital or whatever, and then had to put me in like a little straight jacket. Cause I was like 18 months old and you know, they needed to do stitches. [00:43:12] So I had a whole bunch of stitches across the bridge of my nose. I still have a scar. Um, a plastic surgeon, uh, stood up and was always like, yeah, you could probably get this removed or whatever, but I kind of like it. Um, Obviously, if any of it at all, except, you know, I remember obviously when I was really, really little for the first couple of years of my life, but you can look back at early photos of me and you can see kind of what the red area, like on the bridge of my nose, where you see my scar and it doesn’t show up all the time. [00:43:47] It, it, I don’t get tan, so, uh, most people don’t ever see it, but like there would be times when my face would be more tan or whatever, the people would see it more. And there’s some people who were like, yeah, you have like this scar in the bridge of your nose. I’m like, yeah, I almost poked [00:44:00] my eye out. I didn’t, but they put me in a straight jacket, uh, you know, so that the surgeon could, um, could sew me up. [00:44:07] Apparently though I was very good. I just stuck to my pacifier and like watched the whole time. And they were very impressed. [00:44:13] Brett: [00:44:13] Nice. You just always a well-behaved girl. [00:44:18] Christina: [00:44:18] Uh, [00:44:19] Brett: [00:44:19] What happened to you? [00:44:20] Christina: [00:44:20] I know what was weird. So it’s actually, here’s, what’s messed up. I was like very rambunctious until I entered like kindergarten and then the whole idea of like rules and like judgment and like being like rewarded or punished for like your virtue started to become like a thing. And that like some weird switch went off. [00:44:42] Like in my mind when I was like five years old and I was like, Oh no, I need to be perfect and everything. And then I became like, very, very, very type a and then when I was like 16, the switch, like went back again and I was like, this is all bullshit. Fuck. All of this. [00:44:57] Brett: [00:44:57] Yeah, well, so I was very similar. [00:45:00] Like I, as a kid really hated pissing off teachers and parents. And like, it was very important to me to be a quote unquote good. Uh, except as it has an ADHD kid with, um, we’ll call them behavioral, like Tourettes. And I just, I found myself always on the wrong side of the law and constantly really down on myself about it. [00:45:28] So by the time I was about 16, I went through a similar thing. Like I can’t be perfect. So I’m just going to be as bad as I can. [00:45:37] Christina: [00:45:37] Yeah, for me, it was a weird thing. Cause I never was on the wrong side of the law. I was always considered like the straight a student, like, you know, from improper, like was well behaved was always whatever. And then I had like this weird kind of like, I don’t know, existential crisis where I was like, what, what is all this for? [00:45:56] What does this mean? What’s the point of all of this, you know, like [00:46:00] got very into Nietzsche and, uh, I was just probably would read, you know, the catcher in the ride too many times. I don’t know, like something just switched my brain. Honestly. I think that it was. A combination of a bunch of things, but I was just kind of like who the hell cares. [00:46:14] This is stupid. And, uh, I stopped caring about being perfect. Um, and I probably went too far in that direction. And, and I I’d like to think that now as an adult, that I’ve like, got like a balance, you know, like, okay, I will actively troll people who symp for billionaires because it’s funny to me, but I also don’t like want to make people feel bad or be upset. [00:46:38] And I don’t want to like be out of order. And I want to be respectful of, especially the people that I work with and the time that I take up of people, you know what I mean? Like, [00:46:45] Brett: [00:46:45] not a psychopath. That’s what you’re saying. [00:46:47] Christina: [00:46:47] no, I’m not a psychopath. Um, some people might want to quit. No, I’m not a psychopath at all. So, yeah. Um, but no, I feel you. [00:46:55] Um, I also, I, I can’t personally relate to like the being on the wrong side thing, but [00:47:00] I accept that. I remember when I was like, before I kind of had that switch, I was on medications that. Made me completely unable to focus and do anything. And like I finally had, I think I’d always been ADHD, but I’d been so high functioning that I’d been able to control it. [00:47:18] And then it got to the point that I couldn’t control it anymore. And it was just one of those things where I did kind of experience. It was like, I have no control over some of these things and I’m getting yelled at and whatnot. Um, so I can, I can empathize, I guess, with what that would be like to be a kid who you desperately want to be good and you want to do all the right things, but there are these things that are not within your control that are preventing that and that you’re getting yelled at for. [00:47:42] And so then you just go through this, you know, shame spiral of like, I’m not good enough. I suck. I’m terrible. [00:47:47] Brett: [00:47:47] Let me clarify, when I said on the wrong side of the law, I was being metaphorical about like ups, upset teachers [00:47:53] Christina: [00:47:53] No, no. I understand [00:47:54] Brett: [00:47:54] I’ve never actually been arrested for anything other than protests. And [00:48:00] that was never like, you know, no charges or anything that was basically at, at most, a few hours in jail and then bailed. [00:48:07] Um, but like, as far as like my teenage years, I never got arrested, I was always like, I always, always the lookout. I was always super careful when we were doing shenanigans. Um, and as a drug user in my, my later teens and my twenties, I, I, I was just always super careful. And so it wasn’t that I was legal, but never in trouble trouble [00:48:33] Christina: [00:48:33] no I get it I mean yeah Um I think the closest I ever came to getting in trouble trouble was when the cops broke up a Toga party that we had freshman year of college Um [00:48:44] Brett: [00:48:44] Oh I thought you said yoga party [00:48:45] Christina: [00:48:45] no Toga party Yoga party would have been cool No we threw a Toga party and we were 80 minutes because we were in a dry building the dorms and then were on the first floor [00:48:57] Brett: [00:48:57] couldn’t find another building to do it? [00:49:00] [00:49:00] Christina: [00:49:00] shit. Well we’re we we’re done well, it’s somebody’s birthday. And these girls wanted to have it in their dorm and you have to understand, like, our dorms were like the former Olympic village. So they were like really like little mini apartments. So you had very small individual single rooms. And then you had like two bathrooms. [00:49:13] Two bathrooms per two people. And then you had like a, a kitchen and living room or whatever. So we had this toga party. We’re dumb asses. And we have it on the first floor. We should’ve had an, our dorm, which was on the seventh floor because the cops never would have come up those stairs or the elevator. [00:49:27] They wouldn’t have dealt with that. Here was the issue when the cops came to break things up and it was still fairly early, it wasn’t like campus police because of where we lived. It was Atlanta police. Okay. So, so APD is there. So. There are 30 or 40, you know, kids who are in various States of, of, you know, um, uh, drunkenness we’re all in togas. [00:49:53] So, you know, we’re half naked. Um, I of course was caught [00:50:00] with not one but two beer bottles in my hand because I was double fisting. And so I couldn’t even pretend that I wasn’t drinking because clearly I was my roommate who couldn’t even stand up straight, got in the line of people who claimed they hadn’t been drinking. [00:50:14] And I was like, you fucking idiot. Like, but the cops, it was very clear. Cause it was like a Friday night. They, they just didn’t want to deal with it. Like, you know, again like 30 or 40, you know, underage kids who are half naked, you know, uh, mixed, um, you know, uh, sex and, and these were like male police officers. [00:50:31] So they would’ve had to call a female officer and, um, they just had us pour out the alcohol and then, um, left and said, have a good party, have a good night. [00:50:42] Brett: [00:50:42] Yeah. I’ve had many parties busted. I’ve never seen anyone actually hauled off from a party, [00:50:47] Christina: [00:50:47] Right. Well will, well, again, like our thing was that we were in a dry building. Like it was one of the rules we were on campus property. We were like, all, you know what I mean? Like it was one [00:50:55] Brett: [00:50:55] that’s academic discipline Not not [00:50:58] Christina: [00:50:58] well it would have been academic [00:51:00] discipline except as I said the police who served at were actual [00:51:04] Brett: [00:51:04] Yeah I get but it’s not they’re not going to arrest a bunch of kids I I don’t think in most [00:51:09] cases [00:51:10] Christina: [00:51:10] So I mean I think that maybe yeah they had better things to do Right But and and I and I realized that kind of as it was happening but we didn’t know that And they were like maybe taking down names and like in my mind I’m like my mom is going to be so pissed Well actually I thought it was kind of funny Cause again I was kind of like well if this happens because what am I going to do again I can’t claim that I haven’t been drinking I’ve got two bottles of beer in my hand You know I can’t lie my way out of this So it was like this happens this happens Right And I’m just like my mom’s gonna be really fucking pissed if she has to come Like if she has to drive You know downtown to the Atlanta police station to get me out of jail like she’s going to be really really pissed Um but no they just had us pour out the alcohol you know left the girls whose um dorm it was and like one of the girls whose birthday it was like they were all crying and like very upset And at this point like after we got away with it I just thought it was funny I was just like great And I think [00:52:00] we continued drinking up in our dorm room and then like went to a diner or something might my college like wasn’t one of those things where our stuff got around a lot because it was kind of disparate and there’s you know a big university And I heard people talking about it like multiple people talking about it like on Monday they’re like Oh yeah you know you hear about the Toga party in in um in Athena that got um you know broken up by the cops or whatever And because Athena was the name of our building and uh [00:52:26] which means [00:52:28] exactly exactly And uh uh or no Sparta Sparta It was our building Um I know I I agree Um and uh I was you know and I was like hearing like people like inflating what happened I was like no like I was a little people who threw that party It was fine Like the cops just like made us pour out the beers and left It was completely okay Um but that’s the closest I’ve ever come to being arrested And I figured while they were there just because of the [00:53:00] sheer number of people that we weren’t going to get hauled in But there was that that moment in my mind where I was like well my mom’s gonna be really pissed because she would have been like she would have been like and really what would have pissed her off would have been like the it would have been the underage drinking thing who cares It would have been like the a should have been like what is this gonna do for your record Dah dah dah dah dah which whatever mom but like she would have also been like really mad that she had to drive out um to downtown Atlanta on a Friday night to like spring her 19 year old daughter [00:53:29] Brett: [00:53:29] I hope you know that this will go down on your permanent record [00:53:33] Christina: [00:53:33] No Totally [00:53:34] Brett: [00:53:34] Oh yeah Well don’t be so distressed Did I happen to mention that I’m impressed Are you not You’re not a violent femmes fan [00:53:42] Christina: [00:53:42] I am Uh I am Yeah I get that Yeah Yeah [00:53:45] Brett: [00:53:45] Nine for a lost God So uh when I when I asked our bot in discord what our topics today were uh I only asked for two topics and one of them was software which we’ve done a bang up job on Um but yeah the [00:54:00] other one was music And so here’s the segue Speaking of teens making questionable questionable decisions I started the Billie Eilish documentary and I stopped because it was lessening my my impression of her Uh she’s a very she’s a teenager I don’t how old she actually is now but she acts like a uh homeschooled teenager And she a lot of her like when it comes to the artistic direction of her videos like a lot of it she did just she thought it would look cool Like let’s let’s make black stuff come out of my eyes Let’s put on my head. Like there’s no real art behind the decisions. And I feel like a lot of the, a lot of the depth that exists in her music comes from Phineas. [00:54:47] Christina: [00:54:47] Yes. I agree. I agree. I haven’t watched the complete documentary yet, but I’ve had kind of the same impression. Um, and, and it, I don’t know, it kind of makes me sad cause I really like her and I really like [00:54:59] Brett: [00:54:59] Yeah, me [00:55:00] too. [00:55:00] Christina: [00:55:00] but I’d kind of hoped that she’d be like a cooler Taylor Swift. [00:55:05] Brett: [00:55:05] An alt Taylor Swift. [00:55:07] Christina: [00:55:07] Totally. But well, because you know, like Taylor to her credit, she’s not cool. No one would ever argue that, but she, at that age was actually making [00:55:19] Brett: [00:55:19] well-spoken [00:55:20] Christina: [00:55:20] very specific. Which she was actually like had the concept set for her, for her concert tours and her music videos and her work and whatnot. Like they’re like, they might not be cool. [00:55:29] Like Billie Eilish is stuff is cool, but she was actually like, even from the beginning, like in charge of her image and like that stuff. Right. And I’d kind of hope that like, Billy was like that, but just like the cool version. And, and no, it was the older brother, which was which I hate because that was sort of the criticism about her after she swept the Grammy’s, it wasn’t before as much. [00:55:50] But after she swept, everybody has to like shit on, you know, young women who win never young men, but always young women. Um, and I [00:56:00] really hope that that wasn’t accurate, but I mean, I think I feel that there’s like a simplification to that and I don’t want to completely take away her own. What, what am I going to say? [00:56:11] Like her own agency completely, but at the same time, it is from what I’ve observed. It is very clear that that is she, she is much more. Of a Selena Gomez of a Demi Lovato of a pre, um, VMAs, Miley Cyrus, you know of that, but Brittany Spears, right then like a Taylor Swift. Right. And, in so far as she is the vessel that someone else’s artistic expression comes out of, it is not her own agency and choice. [00:56:40] In most cases, like I’m not taking away her that she doesn’t have some input and stuff, but [00:56:44] Brett: [00:56:44] she does, she has, she has a lot of input, but she actually hates songwriting. Like for her, it’s a real chore. She’s an excellent performer. And the footage of her live shows, they were always like very intimate, kind of [00:57:00] like, she was very in touch with the crowd, her fans, like it, it was that part was cool and watching the songwriting process, like she had a lot of say in it, but I feel like all the really good decisions that went into the songs were if not directly from Phineas, they were heavily guided by Phineas and, and that’s fine. [00:57:21] She’s, she’s young. She’s, performing way beyond her her age [00:57:26] Christina: [00:57:26] I will well and again like most performers that is how it works [00:57:30] Brett: [00:57:30] for [00:57:31] Christina: [00:57:31] honestly like like most performers That is how it works Most people don’t write their own music They don’t like they don’t like you know um I got into something with people um on Twitter while ago Cause people were like Shitting on the fact that I don’t remember who it was that they were going after but uh you know some sort of idea people didn’t write their own songs well back in our day you know you know rock and roll or this or that you know they they they were real artists I’m like what the fuck are you talking about Literally written by committee like that like [00:58:00] the like Brill like the Brill building is a thing like literally the history of pop music but also rock and roll was songs performed by other people you know great artists great performers not taking anything away from that who did not write them Like you know like that’s literally the history of of most successful music I mean if you want to go back even further I mean the whole kind of history of stuff like classical music and whatnot but yeah you have your composers but then you have many many many many many people who perform those things and who like work to perfect that but they’re not writing the symphonies [00:58:33] Brett: [00:58:33] I think I yeah I don’t really give a shit if you if a song’s good Um I I I’m not super concerned with who wrote it but I do wish in a lot of cases that’s Songwriters were that it wasn’t concealed that everything was more transparent This is this is a hit song performed by written by um like that wouldn’t be that would make a big difference for me [00:58:58] Christina: [00:58:58] no And and I mean I [00:59:00] think that that’s like Grammys are bullshit but that is why like they have you know the of the year award and they have those other things and you do have, you know, other stuff, I do also feel like that is why someone like a Taylor Swift, but not exclusively. [00:59:12] Her, there are plenty of other people who do both as well get like additional praise, just because it is a rarity to have people. [00:59:22] Brett: [00:59:22] It’s a, it’s a good thing. Like I think it is, it adds something. If the artists both conceived of and performed a hit song, I, it does actually, uh, I do have more respect for it. If the artist was part of the entire process. [00:59:38] Christina: [00:59:38] Yeah, no, I mean, I don’t know if I have more respect for it. I just think it makes it different because there are some people who are just fantastic performers, but are not songwriters and that’s okay. Um, because the shows and the performances that they put on are fantastic. Like, like, um, um, Madonna did contribute and has done songwriting, but that’s not what you would ever like, think of her first as like a singer [01:00:00] songwriter. [01:00:00] Right. But she’s one of the most amazing performers that we’ve ever had. Um, Obviously when you have like, people like Paul Simon or John Lennon or Paul McCartney or whatever, like Joni Mitchell, um, that’s incredible because you, you see like that full breadth of kind of like, like talent or, or, you know, um, and, and that’s really amazing to see, but I like, I don’t think Beyonce is a lesser artist because she doesn’t write her own songs. I know, [01:00:33] Brett: [01:00:33] Then that’s great because now we already have the next show, like a bunch starter points already queued up Yeah [01:00:41] Christina: [01:00:41] also feel like this was a good mixture I feel like this is one of our better ones in a while to be [01:00:44] Brett: [01:00:44] It was pretty tech heavy but I think that’s our audience anyway So you’re welcome everybody [01:00:51] Christina: [01:00:51] you’re welcome for hearing us talk about Brewfiles and dotfiles and uh [01:00:56] Brett: [01:00:56] really hope that’s our audience Otherwise we just lost [01:01:00] Oh But I I’m going to put Elon in the [01:01:04] show title [01:01:04] Christina: [01:01:04] in the show title because we need to get those haters So haters please look if you’re if you’re if you’re um following our podcast uh if uh you give us give us a zero star already That’s fine I mean I’d prefer a five star but like leave us those those hate comments Cause honestly any sort of engagement is better than none So [01:01:26] Brett: [01:01:26] Right If you’re going to leave a one-star review be sure to leave it with a comment that specifically says I hate this because they they they bashed Musk or they talk too much about Taylor uh because those are the things that other people be like well if that person hates it I’m going to love it And you’ll do our job for us. [01:01:47] Christina: [01:01:47] You will also like, frankly, like if you please symp for Elon in the comments, please, please, please, please, please. Some for Elon in the comments like that would be an amazing thing to, to like give us a one-star [01:02:00] review and praise on Musk. Like I would, I’m not even I’m, I’m actually kind of being serious here. [01:02:05] I would kind of love that. I’m not even joking. [01:02:08] Brett: [01:02:08] All right. Well, that was, that was man. We, I think we really came through for recording three days late. [01:02:15] Christina: [01:02:15] Yeah. I do. I feel like, honestly, and this was like the earliest we’ve recorded. This is ironic. So it’s like the earliest we’ve recorded, but also like the latest, [01:02:25] It’s either either half an hour earlier or three and a half days later, depending on how you look at it. [01:02:33] exactly. But in any event I feel like it worked, [01:02:37] Brett: [01:02:37] Get some sleep, Christina. [01:02:38] Christina: [01:02:38] get some sleep, Brett.