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Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. If you missed part I of this chat (episode 90) with Eve’s Cidery, you’ll want to go back and listen as we tour the orchard with Autumn Stoscheck and Ezra Sherman and talk about where their ciders begin. In part II of this chat, we move down to the ciderhouse to talk about: the champagne method what it takes to run a small cidery and Autumn shares some tips for home cidermakers. Disgorgement is often regarded as an art. In removing the closure of a bottle, the pressure built up in the bottle pushes out the yeast that has settled at the top, but it also pushes out some cider. The art is in timing the turning upright of the bottle with the removal of the closure so that, as Ezra explains, the pressure can do its job removing the yeast, but gravity can act to keep the cider in the bottle. Obviously, the goal is to waste as little cider as possible and it takes practice to master this. Thankfully, there is a video to show exactly how this is done to accompany Ezra’s explanation. Follow this link, where you’ll also have the opportunity to sign up to receive free shipping on orders from Eve’s for the month of August. https://www.evescidery.com/ciderchat/ Of note, is Autumn’s analysis of the cider industry and the value of a bottle of cider produced using their methods. I think it speaks to the passion that most small cidermakers have about what they’re doing. They aren’t doing it for the money, that’s for sure. That point is often lost on the consumer who might balk at a $15-$20 bottle of cider. The equivalent methods used in winemaking in the production of high quality wines of place would fetch many times the price just by virtue of the fact that wine culture and the market is older and more developed.  The cidermaking tips shared towards the end of this episode are really valuable and go beyond basic issues of making cider. It highlights the dynamic nature of cider microbiology and the techniques that can be used to maximize your cidermaking success. Some of them are: Monitor your primary for off flavors and aromas Aerate the must if you smell sulfur compounds Once primary is finished, immediately chill the cider to limit microbial activity Maturing cider on the lees (if they’re clean), stirring the lees acts as an antioxidant Drink it! Don’t wait around for it to develop off flavors unless you think you have achieved microbiological stability in the bottle. Some things that help this happen is having very low levels of nutrients in the must, high acidity, low to no residual sugar, and higher alcohol content. Bâtonnage defined is simply stirring the lees periodically. This technique can be used in cidermaking and is done after the initial vigorous fermentation is complete. The lees is brown slurry that settles to the bottom of carboy, stainless steel tanks or barrels. It is comprised of dead yeast cells and heavy particles that were initially floating in the solution. There are two different types of lees Gross Lees - the first drop of heavy precipitants that float to the bottom. Fine Lees - the slurry that can form on the bottom of your carboy after the first racking. If you leave the lees on the bottom of your cidermaking vessels there is a risk of the lees consuming all the oxygen and causing hydrogen sulfide to form as the cider goes through the process of reduction. (Yes, lees consumes oxygen). The result can leave an off smell such as rotten eggs. Contact Eve's Cidery website: https://www.evescidery.com/ telephone: 607-229-0230 address: 308 Beckhorn Hollow Rd Van Etten, NY 14889 Ask for the following 9 #CiderGoingUP Campaign supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Big Fish Cider Company Monterey, Virginia   Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat    

Guest Podcaster and cidermaker, Alex Kroh, bring us into the orchard at Eve's Cidery. This episode 90 is Part 1 of a two-part show with  the makers at this New York State cidery! Find Part 2 when it goes live next week on episode 91. Pulling up to Eve’s Cidery in the small town of Van Etten, NY, you would be forgiven for thinking your GPS is broken. There’s no indication you’re in the right place unless you happen to peer in through the barn door to spot some inconspicuous ferment ers back beyond the wooden apple bins. I don’t know what I was expecting. Perhaps because of the reputation Eve’s Cidery has for producing some of the finest ciders in the country, I thought their operation would be more… built up, perhaps. After spending a generous four hours touring through the orchard and ciderhouse, I realized that the humble infrastructure that supports Eve’s is secondary, or even inconsequential compared to the place, the apples and the people. I see, now, that this is a reflection of the values and aspirations of Autumn Stoschek, co-founder of Eve’s cidery, and Ezra Sherman, a lawyer in his previous life, who would both rather spend all of their time growing apples and making cider than tending to the various other aspects of running a business. The ciderhouse is just enough to support that. For instance, there’s no tasting room at Eve’s. When we got the chance to taste through some of their amazing ciders, we sat on wooden crates on the concrete barn floor. Later I would learn from Autumn that the entire operation grew organically from year to year through the hard work and grit that must accompany any agricultural and small-business endeavor. “There was no million dollar investment.” In fact, the “seed money” to start Eve’s came from her saved tip money from waitressing. There were other forces at work, too. A formative experience working at an idyllic organic Vermont farm at the age of 15, and later a job with James Cummins, co-founder of Eve’s and son of famous rootstock breeder Dr. Jim Cummins, and finally an article about Steve Wood’s cider apples (Farnum Hill Ciders and Poverty Lane Orchards, Episodes 32 and 33) in Fruit Growers News all convened in the life of 21 year old Autumn and compelled her to drive to Poverty Lane Orchards in New Hampshire to see it all for herself. It was a risky move, dropping in on Steve Woods a busy orchardist and cidermaker, but one gets the feeling that he was more impressed than anything. He subsequently tasted Autumn through his catalog of ciders and sent her home with scionwood from his own trees. She grafted that budwood onto trees at James’ Littletree orchard and the next year planted more grafted trees on her father’s land before she had land of her own. Then began the life-long journey of learning to grow apples specifically for making cider. Growing great fruit is the key to making great cider, and this is clearly the focus at Eve’s Albee Hill orchard, which we toured during our chat. There’s a way to do it that maximizes the juice qualities that contribute to flavor and complexity, and it tends to fly in the face of “conventional” modern apple growing. Instead, it turns out that these methods have a lot more in common with organic growing methods. Cider fruit doesn’t have the cosmetic standards that dessert fruit does and there’s an opportunity for cider apple growers to align their practices with a more ecologically responsible way growing.  So how do you create the conditions that maximize the apple’s potential for making great cider? Briefly: Create or utilize mineralized soils and maximize mineral accessibility to the tree’s root system through the use of deep-rooted companion crops, healthy soil microbes and mycorrhizal fungi (and don’t spray chemicals in the orchard that will kill these) Encourage a healthy, functioning tree immune system that will produce secondary plant compounds, the phytochemicals that contribute to flavor, aroma, mouthfeel, etc… The trees need some pest and disease pressure, enough to keep the immune system active, not so much that the tree is stressed (again, fewer chemicals to spray) Don’t over-irrigate - less water in the apple means a higher concentration of sugar, tannin and other phytochemicals  Growing cider apples this way lends itself well to an experience of terroir in the glass, too. Of course, the cidermaking techniques employed are just as important. If you have too much residual sugar or cover up subtle flavors with additives or faults, you won’t likely get a hint of what terroir is contributing. In Part II (episode 91) of our chat, we discuss cidermaking techniques that transform great apples into great cider at Eve’s Cidery. Eve's Cidery special August 2017 deal for Cider Chat listeners - free shipping on orders of Eve's Cider!  Mentioned in Part I:  Steve Wood, Farnum Hill Ciders and Poverty Lane Orchards - http://www.povertylaneorchards.com/  Finger Lakes Fruit Geeks: Garrett Miller and Melissa Madden of Finger Lakes Cider House/Kite and String Cider/Good Life Farm - www.fingerlakesciderhouse.com  Eric Shatt Redbyrd Orchard Cider - https://redbyrdorchardcider.com/  Mike Biltonen, Know Your Roots Consulting - http://knowyouroots.com/ Contact Eve's Cidery website: https://www.evescidery.com/ telephone: 607-229-0230 address: 308 Beckhorn Hollow Rd Van Etten, NY 14889 Ask for the following 8 #CiderGoingUP Campaign supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Ramborn Cider Co. Luxembourg. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat    

Find this episode with photos and all archived episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts Subscribe and Listen via iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and wherever you love to listen to podcasts. Barrel aging cider is as old as time. Considering that, one would think that it should be pretty straight forward to pour fresh pressed apple juice into a barrel and create a delicious end product.  Right? Wrong! Barrels require preparation and maintenance to make sure that the end product is well balanced. In essence, you are not only managing the cider, but the wood too since both are alive with microorganisms. In this chat we delve into reusing a barrel that was originally charred, then had whiskey added. Brooklyn Distillery the orginaial owner of the 25 gallon barrel sold it to Exhibit A Brewing Company. Matt Steinberg owner and brewer of Exhibit A put an Imperial Stout in the barrel. I purchased the empty barrel from Matt for cider and share with you my long weekend of discovery on preparing the barrel for cider. The goal is to keep the wood staves moist and swollen so once the cider is added it doesn't leak. In addition, funky bacterias like acetobacter and wild yeasts must be kept out so your barrel doesn't begin to smell like vinegar. But How to Set up and Prepare a Used Barrel for Cider? First a warning everyone should heed: If your barrel had spirits avoid using a sulfur stick as it can inflame the residual spirits and make that barrel explosive. Some say add citric acid and SO2. Matt said to rinse the barrel with warm water, empty it, and then wrap in in plastic wrap. I figured this would become an even more inviting environment for those funky bacterias that can really messed up your cider. I decided to add water and SO2. Fingers crossed, as I will be getting back to how the barrel rolls in follow up episodes of Cider Chat. Cool words and Vocabulary you should know Amphora - clay vessels used to hold wine. Made by potters and used by the Egyptions and Romans Kveri - a larger version of the amphora that was placed in the ground and used to make wine. Listen to episode 011-Geoff Richardson | Castle Hill Cider, Virginia Castle Hill makes cider in their onsite Kveris! Too Cool!!! Vinny Nail - Vinny Cilurzo of Russian River Brewing Company is the man behind the nail that brewers put into a barrel and use it to take samples. Mentions in this chat! Eve's Cidery special August deal for Cider Chat listeners Breukelen Distillery Beer and Winemaking Supplies, Inc 057 Eric Bordelet | Normandy, France Part 1 058 Eric Bordelet | Ancient Pears Chay Tour Part 2 087: Cyzer, Mead & Kombucha | ArtBev, MA With Garth Shandyfelt Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Follow on twitter @ciderchat Haven't downloaded this chat yet? Here is is again.

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Simple Cider's is located on the southern tip of Tasmania in a region dripping with Apple history. Tasmania was and is still called the Apple Isle making it the perfect place for makers like Patrick and the team at Simple Ciders to launch into the craft. The cidery started commercially producing ciders in 2014. It is an orchard based cidery, meaning that the apples are grown right alongside the cider mill. Patrick worked as a system's analysis and then winemaker, after as he says jokingly that he was looking  "for a job that allowed me to get really messy, cold and wet on a regular basis. So I went into making wine and cider." Simple Cider makes small batch, dry apple cider. The ciders are unfiltered and are naturally carbonated, meaning bottle conditioned. Right now they are making approximately 15,000 litres/year or nearly 4000 gallons. Patrick says, "The fruit is the story" and after tasting both the Cox's Orange Pippin 7.5% alcohol by volume and the Granny Smith & Ginger 8% abv, I have to agree. The ciders are delicate and dry..maybe even a bit semi dry...with just the right amount of carbonation. Tasmania is making a slow comeback in growing cider apples, so makers are working with primarily culinary apples while planting cider varieties. In this chat Patrick talks about the landscape of Tasmania, the cider scene, his ciders and the Wild Cherry,  which is fermented whole cherries using the carbonic maceration technique of fermenting the fruit with in this case pits and a full layer of CO2. This lends a fruity aroma and taste. Main chat with Patrick begins at 19:56 minutes Contact Simple Ciders website: http://simplecider.com.au/our-story/ email: patrick@simplecider.com.au Telephone: 0404 990 644 Mentions in this chat Featured Artist: Emma Ayres at 14:11 minutes Singing: Route 3 Find out about Emma’s music via the links below https://emmajunemusic.bandcamp.com/ https://www.facebook.com/emmajuneband Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.   Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat    

Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat   Three guys and an endless supply of credit cards helped build what is today called Artisan Beverage Cooperative (ARTBEV) in Greenfield, Massachusetts. General Manager and co founder Garth Shandyfelt provides an overview on how ARTBEV grew plus; working in a cooperative getting capital to expand via a  direct public offer of stock what is mead what is cyser creating a sustainable model for growth Started in 2010 making mead, ARTBEV's multi tiered business now produces a range of products to keep stock rolling out the door. Mead and Cyser, for instance, can take upwards to a year or longer to condition, whereas the Ginger Libation made by ARTBEV can be made in two weeks, much like beer. What is Mead? Fermented Water, Honey and Yeast or what Garth calls wine made with honey. "It is a mead if you have more than 50% of your fermentable made with honey." A Braggot is a beer made with honey and cider What is Cyser or Cyzer (as ARTBEV calls it - go to 1 hour in on the podcast and find out why) A cider made with some amount of cider during initial fermentation. Some cider has honey added for sweetening, but may not be considered a cyser. How much honey does ARTBEV use yearly? Upwards to 6000 pounds of honey all delivered via 5 gallon buckets How much honey do you need to make  a 5-gallon batch of mead? You will need upwards to 12-15 pounds of honey for a 5 gallon batch. Garth was inspired by Dan Conlon is a key figure in New England working with bees at Warm Colors Apiary. Books mentioned by Garth in this chat The Complete Mead Maker by Ken Schramm 2. Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers: The Secrets of Ancient Fermentation, by Stephen Harrod Buhner Contact Artisan Beverage Cooperative website: http://artbev.coop/ telephone: 413- 773-9700 email: info@artbev.coop Address: 324 Wells Street Greenfield, MA In the same building as Franklin County Community Development Corp. Tasting Room hours Friday 4-7pm Saturday 2-6pm Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving!    

Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Cider presses have come in a number of different shapes and forms over the centuries. Listen to episode 78 with Oscar Busto and Mayador in Asturias. A Mayadar (usually a man) crushed apples with a long pole with a blunt end. It was hard laborious work. The cider press itself might be huge and weigh a ton, such as the presses used at large cider mills where a pole the size of a tree would weigh done upon crushed apples that often would be held in a swath of straw. Colonist in the New World used a flat stone that was grooved in a circle and fitted a basket. One end always had a spout for the apple juice to pour out. The common way if you were lucky, was to have a basket press. Even today basket presses are used by both commercial and non commercial cidermakers. Listen to episode 3 with Robert Colnes as he describes Building a Cider House and making a cloth and rack press. Read about Worley Cider's blog on their new belt press and see their rack and cloth press.  Their new belt press can process 1.5 tons of apples/hour versus the rack and cloth press the moved through 3 tons of apple per day. Yes presses do evolve. The maker of the belt press now being used by Worley cider is from Kreuzmayr Suffice to say, cider presses have evolved over the years, but a tried an true method even today is a basket press. I have been wanting a press of my own for years now and this week's chat is on an auction and a bid that sent me home with an 1890's cider press from Clark Cutaway Harrow - aka Higganum Manufacturing Company in Connecticut. But before I was tipped off of on this auction taking place I was looking at making my own. Take a look at the two videos that follow to see just some of the ingenuity that folks are using to make cider. I'm still thinking about using this video below and trying to make this "apple masher" and press. I hope you enjoy this chat as much as I enjoyed recording it and that it inspires you to not only drink cider, but perhaps try your hand at making cider. And if not that, at least have a deeper appreciation of  the inventors before our time who worked hard at building the perfect cider press. All the photos mentioned can be found via the shownotes for episode 86 on ciderchat.com Cheers! Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75.   Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat  

Attorney Lindsey Zahn specializes in wine law, but there is no denying her interest in cider and the laws governing it commerce…and yes these there is a difference between wine and cider! Her wine blog On Reserve has been selected as on of the top 100 wine law blogs by the American Bar Association Journal.   Lindsey A. Zahn In this Cider Chat with Lindsey Zahn   In this chat we discuss: The differences between wine and cider. Gray areas of cider law What comes first the licensing, permitting or trademark of your new cidery? Branding Promotion Certification of Label Approval (COLA) Advertising Social media and how they are subject to government regulation 27 CFR part 4 which is the Labeling and advertising of wine from The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) Tide House and how it affects regulations on alcohol And, what can Cidermakers do in regards to labeling vintage on their cider? Contact info for Attorney Lindsey A Zahn and On Reserve Wine Blog Website: https://www.zahnlawpc.com/ eMail: mailto:lindsey@zahnlawpc.com On Reserve wine blog https://www.winelawonreserve.com/ Mentions in this Cider Chat Lindsey’s February 2017 post on TTB Issues Temporary Rule Modifying Federal Regulations for Hard Cider 045: John Cline Ph.D. & Derek Plotkowski | Pomology Cider Research, Canada “Shelton Brothers Santa’s Butt and challenging labeling censorship” 2025 update the Shelton Brothers are no longer in business Winners of the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado where announced on this chat. Go to minute 1:05:55

Charles McGonegal has been teaches a workshop on Sensory Analysis for cider judges, makers, enthusiasts and at both CiderCon (the United States Association o Cider Makers annual conference) and GLINTCAP (Great Lakes International Cider and Perry Competition. Charles calls this workshop The Element of Cider. It provides a vocabulary check or what he considers the basics of cider from the sensory and the chemical perspectives. He had 10 flights at the Chicago CiderCon - where he changed just one thing in each glass of cider. He is asking people to define the taste of the cider. Enjoy this chat and if you like this chat and I expect you will! Listen to the previous episode #83 with Charles as he discusses both his cidery, AEppelTreow in Wisconsin and making perry! Contact AEppelTreow website: http://aeppeltreow.com/ telephone: (262) 878-5345 email: cider@appletrue.com address: 1072 288th Ave Burlington, WI 53105 Mentions in this Chat Cider Chat episode 081 Stephanie & Aaron Carson | Gypsy Circus Cider Co, Tennessee Enter the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/  Enter by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered or become a Patron of Cider Chat and be entered automatically to all Cider Chat contests and giveaways. Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat Haven't downloaded this chat yet? Here is is again. [app_audio src="http://ciderchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/084-The-Elements-of-Cider-Sensory-Analysis-wCharles-McGonegal.mp3"]

Enter the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/  Enter by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered or become a Patron of Cider Chat and be entered automatically to all Cider Chat contests and giveaways. 2 winners are picked on July 1st! Charles McGonegal is full time cider geek who also happens to have a day job as a petro chemist. He and his wife Melissa founded AEppelTreow Winery in Wisconsin in 2001. Why AEppelTreow? Charles says, "I wanted a name that was a little pretentious and not French" Charles has a particular fondness for Perry and has what he calls "the country's (US) only Poire collection (meaning perry pear trees)." He spent years getting permission from the a USDA to plant imported perry pears. "I have what are suppose to be the top three Breton and top three Norman perry pears in a test orchard." In this chat we find out more about AEppelTreow (pronounce Apple True) and get a bushel of tips on making perry. The main chat with Charles begins at 7:48 minutes. The specific chat on Perry begins at 38:20 minutes, with a mini intro by the Talking Pomes. A transcript of this section of the chat on perry making will be transcribed and posted to the Cider Chat Patreon page. Become a patron today and help keep this chat thriving. "Perry is its own thing. It is mostly like making cider. There are a couple of quirks." On storaging of perry during its fermentation and conditioning have a good seal - Charles recommended even using electrical tap never let it (the airlock) dry out CO2 blanket it or use Aragon (because it settles more than CO2) know the Ph of the perry and make the right adjustments Smell every morning during the primary fermentation - when it begins to smell eggy add a 1/4 dose of fermaid  or diammonium phosphate (DAP) Add a 1/4 at a time - helping to clear us the H2S in time   Contact AEppelTreow website: http://aeppeltreow.com/ telephone: (262) 878-5345 email: cider@appletrue.com address: 1072 288th Ave Burlington, WI 53105 Mentions in this Chat Brighton Woods Orchard Shelton Brothers impoters Cider Chat episode 026 Neil Worley on Keeving Cider Chat episode 081 Stephanie & Aaron Carson | Gypsy Circus Cider Co, Tennessee Enter the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/  Enter by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered or become a Patron of Cider Chat and be entered automatically to all Cider Chat contests and giveaways. 2 winners are picked on Juy 1st! Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat    

Kurant Cider is back on Cider Chat discussing the opening of a Tasting Room in the area of Philidelphia called Fishtown. Cider will be available to go in can and growlers at the 436 E. Girard Ave location. The production facility will remain in Perkasie, PA Kurant Cider is co owned by Joe Getz and Michael Meyers. Joe is the head cidermaker at Kurant and the Vice President of the Pennsylvania Cider Guild, the commonwealth's organizing body for cider producers and apple growers in PA. In this chat, Joe tells us about lessons learned over the past two years in regards to what is a cidery startup needs to pay attention to, news on the PA Guild work on having cider recognized as a "zone commodity" and where to find Kurant Cider this summer. Kurant has moved around a bit finding a home from one brewery to another. Kurant sources local juice and is able to make cider year-round. Kurant Ciders, currently being offered on draft at many great bars in Philadelphia Daily 5.5% Earth 5.5% Bees 5.5% Tropic 5.5% Farm 5.5% Cafe' 3.5% Spice 5.5% Kurant Cider Logo Contact Kurant Cider by going to http://www.kurantcider.com/contact/ Follow Kurant via: Twitter: @KurantCider Instagram: @KurantCider Facebook: /kurantcider Looking for Pennsylvania Cider? Look at the Pennsylvania Cider Guild website PA Craft Cider Fest June 24th 12-4pm Pour the Core October 21 12-4pm Mentions in this Chat Enter the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/  Enter by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered or become a Patron of Cider Chat and be entered automatically to all Cider Chat contests and giveaways. Featured music in this episode by the Screaming J's from Asheville, North Carolina. Song title is Don't Pull Out from the Got Boogie album Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 and his update on episode 82 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat