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Gypsy Circus Cider Company founders and makers, Stephanie & Aaron Carson, are helping to put cider on the map in Tennessee. They have two facilities with one dedicated to barrel aging ciders and the main production site which is also the location for their Gypsy Circus Taproom. The cidery opened for business in April of 2016 and has produced over 16 ciders each with whimsical names that connect to the backdrop of their gypsy lifestyle (the couple like to travel) and to the circus life. Names like; Whilring Deverish - a coffee cider make with Nashville based Frothy Monkey coffee took home a gold from GLINTCAP in 2017 Shadow Puppet - a barrel aged wild cider garnered a silver medal at GLINTCAP The Carson's pay attention to detail not only with their ciders, but also their branding. Take a look at a can of their dry cider Raindancer and listen to Aaron talk about the hidden graphics that they put on the label. Part of the couple's success is that they are keenly aware of how the beverage market works. Aaron Carson is the author of East Tennessee Beer, the executive director for Superfly Fabulous Events, founder of Tri-Cities Craft Beer Week and Tennessee Championship of Beers. Aaron co-founded the Brewly Noted Beer Trail and started the Tri-Cities Pro Brewers Guild. Don't forget to enter the Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 26, 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/  Enter by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered or become a Patron of Cider Chat and be entered automatically to all Cider Chat contests and giveaways. Contact Gypsy Circus Cider Company Website: http://gypsycircuscider.com/home/ The OutCider Taproom (behind the building) 2645 Fort Henry Drive Kingsport, TN 37664 Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/GypsyCircusCider/ Twitter: @GypsyCircusTN Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/gypsycircuscider Mentions in this chat http://bellafinachocolates.com/ http://englishfarmsteadcheese.com/ 40th Annual Unicoi Apple Festival this year October 6 & 7, 2017- http://unicoicounty.org/apple-festival/ Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat  

Tin Hat cidermaker Teddy Weber is stewarding a 25 year old orchard in Waitsfield Vermont. This musician by trade got his taste for cider in the UK during his music gigs while there. He teamed up with Sue and Gib Geiger who own the orchard that Teddy has been stewarding and where this chat takes place.  In this chat, Teddy and I walkabout in the orchard in Waitsfield and discuss the beginnings of Tin Hat, apple varieties, working with culinary apples for cider and culinary pears, cultured yeast vs wild yeast. His enthusiasm for apples is contagious. Apples in this Chat Northwestern Greening Kerr Crabapple Atlas Barry Red Honey Gold Scott Winter Golden Russet Dolgo Crab Lodi Yellow Transparent Red Astrican Duchess of Oldenberg Northern Spy Pears Nava Luscious Cidermaking techniques used cyro-extraction - getting the juice directly from a frozen apple cyroconcentration - the apple is pressed and then you freeze the juice Tin Hat Ciders (currently) Ole Pome Traditional still cider, unfiltered, wild fermented, dry. 0% Residual Sugar. Aged in old neutral french oak barrels. Spontaneous malolactic fermentation in summer 2016. Fipenny Bit Effervescent, dry heritage cider from old heirloom apples. bottle conditioned. wild and cultured yeasts, blended from barrel and tank. Partial pétulant natural. Farmhouse Effervescent dry cider. bottle conditioned. Wild and cultured yeasts, secondary fermentation in bottle on champagne yeast. Contact for Tin Hat Cidermaker: Teddy Weber Website: http://www.tinhatcider.com/ Telephone: 802-485-3993 Address: PO Box 103 Roxbury, Vermont 05669 email: teddytweber@gmail.com Mentions in this Chat Win a pair of Tickets to Cider Circus August 25th & 26th  Entery by subscribing to eCiderNews and be automatically entered for the June 30th Giveaway for 2 tickets to Cider Circus August 25th & 26th 2017 at Copper Mountain Ski Resort in Colorado http://cidercircus.com/ Episode 028: John Bunker | Apple Identification Eden Specialty Ciders in Vermont makers of fine ice cider Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat Haven't downloaded this chat yet? Here is is again.

Tandem Ciders is the result of two hearts coming together in one spot of Ciderville (the east coast) and finding their way to Michigan. In the late 1990's Dan Young who was the co-owner and brewer at The People's Pint in Greenfield was full on with the craft beer scene. It was at The Pint where he met his future wife Nikki Rothwell while she was working towards her Ph.D. at the University of Massachusetts. With Nikki's roots in Michigan(she now works at Michigan State University's Extension specializing in Agriculture and Fruits) a trip to the UK during the courtship and the abundance of Michigan apples it was only a matter of time before Dan set his sights on cider. Tandem Ciders buys most of their juice for their cider making locally, but they also press apples using an Oesco rack and cloth press. Ciders: Smackintosh Early Day The Crabster Pretty Penny Cherry Oh Ida Gold Pomona Handcrafted Sodas Ginger Ale - I've had Dan's Ginger Ale that he made when at The Pint and it was fantastic! Sparkling Apple Dan is a newly elected Board Member of the United States Association of Cider Makers Contact: Tandem Ciders 2055 N. Setterbo Road Suttons Bay, MI 49682 Tasting Room Hours Monday – Saturday: Noon until 6 p.m. Sunday: Noon until 5 p.m. Closed Tuesday & Wednesday from January through May. Telephone: 231.271.0050 email: tandemciders@hotmail.com Website: http://www.tandemciders.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Tandem-Ciders-291896271061/ de Gulderling cidery in Netherlands http://www.degulderling.nl/ http://elegastdistillery.com/ instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elegastdistillery/ https://www.mrplume.lv/ http://jksfarmhouseciders.com/ciders/ Ask for the following 7 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Cider Summit : listen to Alan Shapiro founder of this cider fest on episode 75. Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode with photos and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat

The Mayador cider brand came about from a lot hard work and ingenuity. Manuel Busto Amandi born in 1906 founded his cider business originally as M.Busto in 1939. Between that time and 1966, Manuel's ingenuity kept the business growing. He had a number of innovation that were ground breaking for the cider industry. From the Mayador History Book: - He was the first to engrave the brand (M. BUSTO - 1959, certified by the Patent and Trademark Office in June 1946) on his cider bottles, produced in the old glass factory in Gijón. He was forty years ahead of a measure that would eventually become compulsory in the sector. -He also promoted using 10-bottle boxes, while all other presses preferred the customary 12-bottle box; and he was a pioneer in trading cider vinegar in Spain, which up to then had only been of domestic use. -He was also the first to produce sterile apple juice in 1971. But that is not all: he invented a machine to pour cider and registered it on December 4, 1964, under Patent No. 280.757. In the early sixties the climate for cider was waning with new trendy drinks taking the stage, so he began to marketed Sparkling Cider. In 1966, his nephew Raúl García Busto, launched El Mayador as the new label. Cider Vocabulary: Mayar - crushing apples Mayar season - time for crushing apples Mayador - the person who crushes apples with a long wooden paddle Today Mayador exports to 65 countries around the world, including the US, Japan, the UK and South America. In the US, Mayador is imported by Wine Seller LTD. Contact Mayador website: http://mayador.com/en/ http://mayadorapp.com/en/ More info on Mayador La Sidra, the magazine : http://www.lasidra.as/en/11262-mayador-got-gold-medal-in-the-international-cider-awards The main news paper in Asturias http://www.lne.es/centro/2017/04/07/mayador-recibe-mayor-reconocimiento-mundial/2086163.html Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat

The US cider market share in 2017 is growing. This episode on Cider Trends in the US and abroad is a replay of a webinar from April 5, 2017 presented by Danny Brager and Matthew Crompton of the Nielsen Company. The webinar was originally aired by the United States Association of Cider Makers (USACM) for their members. The USACM and Nielsen graciously provided Cider Chat with the main recording so that this critical cider trend data could be shared even more broadly. Danny is the Senior Vice=President, Beverage Alcohol Practice. Matthew is the Associate Client Director at Nielsen. Together they speak during this 53 minute presentation in conjunction with a visual aide that I recommend you download the pdf file below as it follows along seamlessly with the presentation and provides excellent visuals of Danny and Matthews overview. Click on photo to view the slides the data charts and visual aides that are referred to throughout this presentation. What is covered in the podcast episode? What does Nielsen do? How is Beverage Alcohol performing? How is Cider performing in the market? What is driving the growth of Cider? Who is the Cider Consumer and what are they saying? How is Cider performing elsewhere? Help Nielsen and the USACM get more data on Cider Trends Provide UPC/label information around the following. Nielsen information is used and referenced widely in the industry - not just suppliers, but also by retailers, distributors, media (trade and consumer), industry associations, investment firms, etc.  Nielsen wants to ensure that their reported data is accurate, and complete, inclusive of all Cider products in their reporting when it passes a store scanner. How to help? If you are selling through retail, you can help Nielsen tell YOUR brands and the HARD CIDER story by ensuring that they have your products coded on their data base. STEP 1: Nielsen first needs your UPC list so they can check to see whether they already have them coded.  If they do, then no further action is required. STEP 2:  If not, Nielsen will get back to you, and for those products not already coded on their databases. They need: your products' labels, usually accomplished by simply having you send digital copies of them (clear PDF images of the back and front labels on the bottle and/or can, as well as package flat (e.g. 4 pack, 6 pack, 12 packs, etc). Everything you send is confidential, and not shared with anyone other than Nielsen associates to ensure proper coding. email to: danny.brager@nielsen.com margaret.acquaviva@nielsen.com npcimages@nielsen.com Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these ciders, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat      

Lou and Sue Chadwick of Second Chance Farm in Greenfield Massachusetts are what I consider the "Apple Pied Pipers". For nearly as long as CiderDays (the oldest cider event in the US) has been running I have seen the Chadwicks touting the bounty of apple varieties. This means they have dozen of fresh picked apples on a long table, that they set up outside no less in early November and welcome everyone to stop by  to take a look and try a taste of a Razor Russet, Baldwin or Arkansas Black. If you get a chance to attend CiderDays make sure you say hi to this lovely couple. In this week's chat I recorded a walkabout with the Chadwick's at their Second Chance farm where for the past 12 years they have been nursing small apple varieties and grafting an assortment of rare cider apples ( at least rare right now in 2017 for the US). Lou made a Rind Graft, a V Graft and an Omega Graft. Take a look at the Cider Chat YouTube channel to see Lou in action. See the photos of this chat via ciderchat.com post link here The Chadwicks have been orchardists long before Second Chance Farm. Sue's grandfather has a farm with apple trees in Buckland Massachusetts that they still advise and help the current owners. Before the walk in the orchard I delve into the winemaking technique known as Bâtonnage. Bâtonnage defined is simply stirring the lees periodically. This technique can be used in cidermaking and is done after the initial vigorous fermentation is complete. The lees is brown slurry that settles to the bottom of carboy, stainless steel tanks or barrels. It is comprised of dead yeast cells and heavy particles that were initially floating in the solution. There are two different types of lees Gross Lees - the first drop of heavy precipitants that float to the bottom. Fine Lees - the slurry that can form on the bottom of your carboy after the first racking. If you leave the lees on the bottom of your cidermaking vessels there is a risk of the lees consuming all the oxygen and causing hydrogen sulfide to form as the cider goes through the process of reduction. (Yes, lees consumes oxygen). The result can leave an off smell such as rotten eggs. Contact info for Second Chance Farm luandsu9@comcast.net Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat

Alan Shapiro wasn't looking to get involved in cider, being a craft beer enthusiast, one sip at the right time changed his mind and he isn’t looking back. He is founder of the widely popular Cider Summits that takes place currently in 4 major US cities (with a 5th city expected to come on board soon). His roots in libations began taking stock while working as one of the first sales representative for Pete’s Brewing Company ( does Pete's Wicked Ale sound familar?) which helped him cultivate a relationship with Mark Browner, whom he credits with planting the seed for today's Cider Summits. In 2003 he founded SBS Imports and secured the rights to import Aspall Cyder of Suffolk, England . He says after a visit to this legendary cidery in Suffolk,  “I had what I call a ‘Wow Moment’ when I realized that cider has more to offer than what I had expected. In 2012 Artisanal Imports of Austin acquired SBS Imports. The first Summit had already taken place two years earlier in 2010. From the start that first Summit was a hit. Alan says he scrambled to get 40 cider products and wasn’t sure what to exactly to expect for crowd size, but when nearly 500 people showed up, it was an obvious success. Since, the locations where this cider festival takes place has expanded to locations in Portland, Chicago and San Francisco. This chat covers the beginnings of Alan's journey to founding Cider Summit, what to expect at the Summit and his take on the current cider market. What to expect at a Cider Summit Souvenair glass  for 4 ounce pours Tasting Tokens Usually 100-150 ciders available from 50 cider companies more or less There is a guide that is published a few days before How to attend a Cider Summit? Have a strategy Download the Summit guide that is published a few days before the event. Each festival has a local/regional focus. Go for local ciders. Or specific styles, such as Asturias ciders or French, fruit ciders, hopped ciders. Additional tokens are available for $2/token There is also a VIP ticket too, where attendees can have conversations with the cidermakers attending. There is a bottle to go shop at all the Summits except for Chicago. Cider Summits locations and dates for 2017 All Summits are outdoors events, except for Chicago’s Chicago  Saturday February 11th at the Navy Pier San Francisco Saturday April 22nd at the Presidio Portland   Friday & Saturday, June 16-17 at Fields Neighborhood Park Seattle  Friday & Saturday, Sept 8-9 at South Lake Union Discovery Center Lawn Contact for Alan Shapiro and Cider Summit email: CiderSummit@earthlink.net Twitter: @cidersummit Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cidersummit/?ref=br_rs Mentions in this chat De Vergeten Appel a Netherlands cidery in Tilburg Neilsen webinar recording Cider Trends in the US and abroad and download the pdf file that goes along with this recording here Use code LyftCiderChat for Up to $50 off your first ride with the Lyft rideshare program. Find the details on this code offering and how to use via this link Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen o Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat  

Nicole and Rafe Ward of Forgotten Ciders are celebrating 3 years of cidermaking this April of 2017.  This Michigan cidery has over 1000 variety of apples growing on 16 acres, many of which are cider varieties and red fleshed to boot! Rafe's Grandfather Douglas Eastman and Uncle John Eastman started planting apples trees 30 years ago to what would one day become Eastman Antique Apples.  Eight years ago Rafe, his parents and brother bought the apple orchard. After getting involved in the family's orchard, Rafe Ward began making cider in their basement and then realized that the fruit could be transformed in to liquid gold. Rafe says, "It was a happy day when I realized I own an orchard and I could make alcohol out of them apples." Nicole mentions, "It was good fortune that the family didn't pull up the apple trees thinking that because they didn't taste good they weren't worth growing." Forgotten Ciders are made out of a 100% fresh pressed apple juice. Aside from adding yeast, there is no back sweetening or sugar added up front. The brilliant shades of red that are visible in their bottles of Mad Russian, Hot N Cider and others is derived straight from the apple varieties that they are using. Ah Ha Moments for the Wards 1. Licensing 2. Making the cider - but they "Let the apples do the work" Cidery Overview 16 acres with over 1000 varieties They pick the apples themselves with some help Use stainless steel tanks and ICBs (plastic containers) Press using an 18 inch rack and cloth press. They press throughout the season, with the season going through mid November. Ciders Mentioned in this chat all in 750 ml bottles except for the Hopped Cider 1.Mad Russian - 6.9% early season cider Flagship cider Deep cranberry color, using red flesh apples Giant Russian Crab apples Taste, aggressively dry and tart up front and then mellows and sweetens as you drink it. 2. Private Stash - 6.9% has over 150 varieties blended to make this cider. 3. Hot N Cider 6.9% made with a base cider and local peppers. A very smooth easy drinking cider, with just the right amount of hot to make your palate ask for more cider. Pairs perfectly with cheese plate. 4. Rusty Red made with Russet apples that Nicole describes having a skin much akin to potato or pear as opposed to being shiny and glossy like a Red Delicious apple. They blend their Russets with some of their "Red Flesh" apples. 5. Hopped Cider - 6.9% base cider with dry hops. Well balanced citrus notes of the hops with a very tasty cider base. Find Forgotten Ciders Visit the Forgotten Ciders Tasting Room  opening this year on April 29th! Usually only open only on Saturdays from 2-7 once the season begins Look to the website for special events open from summer to November. Farmer's Markets Midlands Area Farmers Market May through October on Wednesdays from 2-7 pm Downtown Saginaw Farmer's Market on Mondays from 1-6 pm Getting to Forgotten Ciders 2 hour drive from Detroit 4.5 hour drive from Chicago Mini Tips mentioned for ciders in this chat Tips for Planting an orchard Place same varieties together Plant is succession to ripening dates Tips for making Labels 99 Design Shutterstock Contact Forgotten Ciders and Eastman Antique Apples Owners: Nicole and Rafe Ward Address: 1068 W Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd, Wheeler, MI 48662 Phone: (989) 842-5576 email: forgottenciders@gmail.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EastmansForgottenCiders/ Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode with photos and all episodes at the Cider Chat's podcasts page. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat  

Shea Comfort began dabbling in home brewing in 1996. This History of Art and Philosophy major didn’t choose to become a Yeast Whisper. Some names can’t be chosen, they just come along. Having read extensively the books of the day he is, suffice to say, a self taught technical  yeast expert. “You realize you have to get some type of competency in science…basic formulas, concepts, ideas and just get use to it [the language of science].” But, “You can be really good with science and the numbers and still make average wine.” In 2011, Shea began focusing on cider. “You need tools to do the job.” Shea began with trials with yeast, oaks, tannins. Around 7-8 years ago (2010) after stepping away from a winery startup, Shea was looking for a job. It was during this time, that friends began calling him a “Yeast Whisper”. The name stuck and it was then that he began working with Lallemand, a manufacturer of yeast. “If you want to get competent on this and learn more and go deeper about this you have to have an understanding of the science.” What is a glaring problem for cider makers? When makers say, “We are a cider, we are not beer, we are not wine we are a cider. Look at cider as wine.” All the wine making approaches of winemaking makes perfect sense for cider. Shea says to make sure to understand acidity, balance and structure, skin fractions, perfumes, and mineralogy. Know how to blend.   Quotes to ponder from Shea: “Understand that you can get amazing complexity even if the cider is dry." “Cider is a wine made with apples.” “Technically Perry is a Pear Cider” Is there a difference between liquid yeast and dry yeast? - No If done well, there should be no difference between a liquid or dry cultured yeast. Shea’s baseline recommendation for a good cider yeast. - Any champagne yeast such as a DV10, EC1118 - Ask, “What white wine yeast would re-enforce apples?” Lalvin DV10 - again has neutral sensory impact. It stays true to your original fruit Lalvin EC118 (Prise de Mousee) neutral esters Produces a lot of SO2 (up to 30 ppm) and can inhibit malolactic fermentation Yeast Manufacturers 1. Lallemand yeast 2. Scott’s Laboratories 3. Wyeast Shea’s tips for managing a cider so that it doesn’t go completely dry Cold crash, Use Sulfites Bottle and keep in the fridge Contact Shea Comfort ebsite: http://www.yeastwhisperer.com/ email: shea@yeastwhisperer.com mobile: 925-788-0779        Ask for the following 6 #CiderGoingUP Campaign cider supporters - By supporting these cider makers, you in turn help Ciderville. Kurant Cider - Pennsylvania : listen to Joe Getz on episode 14 Big Apple Hard Cider - NYC : listen to Danielle von Scheiner on episode 35 Oliver’s Cider and Perry - Herefordshire/UK ; listen to Tom Oliver on episode 29 Santa Cruz Cider Company - California : listen to Nicole Todd on episode 60 The Cider Project aka EthicCider- California Albermale CiderWorks : listen to Chuck Shelton on episode 56 Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Find this episode and all episodes at the page for Cider Chat's podcasts. Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat    Find the shownotes and photos at this link  

Lost Apples of the Quabbin is a presentation by Al Sax and Matt Kaminsky documenting their 2016 research and quest for mapping out the apple trees in this historical reservoir region. The Quabbin Reservoir was created to supply water to eastern Massachusetts. This construction required moving out the residents and unincorporating 4 towns Dana, Prescott, Enfiled, and Greenwich. Needless to say, this was an extreme hardship for the residents as people, homes and the entire landscape was changed to create the massive reservoir. How big is the Quabbin Reservoir? unlike what I said in the podcast (10,000 acres) it is 120,000 acres Al and Matt are looking for unknown apple varieties that might still be left on the hillsides and mountain tops that were left untouched so many years later. Al and Matt's main research tools" Binoculars Tick gators, as ticks carry an auto immune ideas call Lyme An apple picker, which is a long pole with a cup at the end used to reach for fruit high up on the tree. List of Apples that were grown at the Quabbin Alexander Baldwin* Bellflower Bethel Ben Davis Blue Parmain Canada Red Duchess Fall Pippin Golden Russet* Gravenstein* Grimes Golden Jonathan* McIntosh* Northern Spy* Porter Pound Sweet Red Astrachan Rhode Island Greening St. Lawernce Seek-No-Further (Westfield S-N-F?) Sheep-Nose* Smoke House Snow Apple Spitzenburg* Strawberry Summer Rambo Tetofsky Twenty-ounce Tolman Sweet Tompkins King Wagner Wealthy* Winesap* Winter Banana Wolf River* Yellow Transparent York Imperial Identifying apple trees in the wild What is its form? Leaf pattern Leaf color Trunk ( do you see a graft line) Identifying apples in the wild Color of skin Taste Refractometer for testing the level of sugar in the juice - check out Matt's Book via his website https://gnarlypippins.com/2016/11/16/what-is-gnarly-pippins/ Contact info for our Apple Explorers Al Sax and Matt Kaminsky Al Sax Matt Kaminsky Please Help Support Cider Chat Please donate today. Help keep the chat thriving! Listen also at iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher (for Android), iHeartRadio and where ever you love to listen to podcasts. Follow on twitter @ciderchat