
Fabulist
Go behind the scenes of the world’s most disruptive studios and production companies — to discover the business stories fueling these industry creative powerhouses.
Hi, I’m Joel. I lead the global movement of studios mastering the art of the business. Whether you run a studio in motion, animation, live action, sound, or experiential, this is the show unlike any other. Join the movement at http://joelpilger.com.
Huge thanks to our awesome audio production partner, Coupe Studios. Learn more at coupestudios.com.
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Latest episodes

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Jan 11, 2023 • 1h 3min
The End of the Beginning for Motion Design | Part 1 with Ryan Summers and John Lepore
Join Ryan Summers, a senior creative director at Spilt known for his expertise in visual effects, and John Lepore, a creative consultant with 16 years at Perception NYC specializing in tech design, as they explore the evolving landscape of motion design. They discuss the profound influence of the 'Spider-Verse' franchise, the significance of community among creatives, and the importance of adaptability in a tech-driven future. Their insightful anecdotes and reflections reveal a bright road ahead for motion design, encouraging collaboration and innovation.

Jan 10, 2023 • 46min
Erin at Sarofsky
On the journey to building a legacy, there is a fine line between fragility and stability.
GUEST
Erin Sarofsky | Owner and Executive Creative Director at Sarofsky
HOST
Joel Pilger | Global Consultant at RevThink | Instagram | LinkedIn
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CREDITS
Senior Producer: Jocelyn Arem at Arbo Radiko
Sound Design: Eric Singer at Coupe Studios
The Outsourceress: Lidia Scarlat
TRANSCRIPT
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Dec 13, 2022 • 40min
Marcel at STATE Design
Along one studio’s journey to the highest levels, its founder struggles with darkness… only to discover a deeper purpose.
GUEST
Marcel Ziul | Executive Creative Director & Founder at STATE Design
HOST
Joel Pilger | Global Consultant at RevThink | Instagram | LinkedIn
NOMINATE A FABULIST
Know a creative entrepreneur who should be on “the list”? Nominate them.
CREDITS
Senior Producer: Jocelyn Arem at Arbo Radiko
Sound Design: Eric Singer at Coupe Studios
The Outsourceress: Lidia Scarlat
TRANSCRIPT
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Dec 5, 2022 • 35min
Joe & Mikon at Sibling Rivalry
Sibling’s work is bold, clear, and smart. But as with any creative business, the work is – at most – half the story.
GUESTS
Joe Wright | Co-Founder, Director, Chief Creative Officer at Sibling Rivalry
Mikon van Gastel | Co-Founder, Director, Chief Creative Officer at Sibling Rivalry
HOST
Joel Pilger | Global Consultant at RevThink | Instagram | LinkedIn
NOMINATE A FABULIST
Know an amazing creative entrepreneur who should be on “the list”? Nominate them here.
CREDITS
Senior Producer: Jocelyn Arem at Arbo Radiko
Sound Design: Eric Singer at Coupe Studios
The Outsourceress: Lidia Scarlat
Special Thanks: Rich Macar at Buttons NY and Dallas Taylor at Defacto Sound
TRANSCRIPT
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