
Leadermorphosis
Leadermorphosis is a podcast exploring the emerging world of self-managing teams and progressive organisations. Hosted by Lisa Gill, who was named on the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 list, each episode features a guest thought leader or practitioner offering a unique perspective on new and innovative ways of working.
"Turning self-managed teams from a good idea into reality is a big challenge and Lisa Gill is leading the way in making it happen.”
– Thinkers50
Leadermorphosis is powered by Tuff Leadership Training, a team of consultants and coaches who specialise in transformational leadership training, shifting working climates and supporting organisations to become self-managing.
Latest episodes

Sep 27, 2021 • 43min
Ep. 65 Pasteur Byabeza on transitioning to self-management at Davis College
Pasteur Byabeza is the lead link of the Student Care Circle at Davis College, a higher learning institution in Rwanda. He is one of the pioneers who has been driving the college’s transition to becoming a self-managed, Holacratic organisation. Though they are early in their journey, taking steps like disbanding the global council and replacing management hierarchies with distributed decision making have already had a huge impact on people’s engagement levels. Pasteur shares what he has learned so far with honesty and contagious passion. Resources: The Davis College website To learn more about Holacracy, you can listen to Leadermorphosis episodes 31 and 32 with Holacracy pioneer Brian Roberston or visit the Holacracy website Other education-related episodes of Leadermorphosis include: Ep. 46 – students from Learnlife talking about a new, self-directed paradigm of learning in the education sector Ep. 16 – Marianne Osorio talking about Sociocracy in schools and more

Sep 10, 2021 • 50min
Ep. 64 Bayo Akomolafe on generative incapacitation and embracing failure
Bayo Akomolafe is a Nigerian author, professor, chief curator of The Emergence Network and is often known for his poetic and provocative take on big topics such as global crisis and social change. We talk about what he calls 'generative incapacitation' and the kind of leadership that’s needed in these times, how the Covid pandemic is disrupting our norms, embracing failure and allowing ourselves to be lost... and I also posed some questions to him about my worries regarding the reinventing work movement. It's a deep conversation so perhaps listen to this out on a walk! Resources: Bayo’s website A beautiful conversation with Bayo on For The Wild on slowing down for urgent times A video of Bayo being interviewed by friend of the Leadermorphosis podcast Skeena Rathor for Extinction Rebellion ideas exchange (And you can listen to my conversation with Skeena here, Leadermorphosis ep. 47) The conversation with Miki Kashtan I reference (Leadermorphosis ep. 37) The conversation with Margaret Wheatley I reference (Leadermorphosis ep. 33)

Jul 1, 2021 • 59min
Ep. 63 Jocelyn Davis on leadership as influence and group development
“Command authority is a poor basis for life.” Jocelyn Davis is an author, speaker and the former head of R&D at global consultancy The Forum Corporation. We talk about how she weaves together the threads of leadership, Eastern philosophy and dramatic literature. Her insights on group development, leadership as influence, and ‘climate’ in teams are really relevant for those interested in self-managing organisations. Resources: Jocelyn's book The Art of Quiet Influence Jocelyn’s website Jocelyn’s article about 8 traps for leaders in the corporate world Jocelyn on Twitter: @JocelynRDavis

Jun 10, 2021 • 50min
Ep. 62 Alex Barker and Sam Conniff on what we can learn from being more pirate
Sam Conniff and Alex Barker’s books ‘Be More Pirate’ and ‘How to Be More Pirate’ have sparked a movement of people around the world who want to shake things up, to create new business models and systems that are better for people and planet. The tagline on their website says: "Being more pirate is a shift in your mindset; a willingness to think differently, to challenge and be challenged, and to stop asking for permission to do what you know is right.” I wanted to talk to Sam and Alex about what we can learn from the golden age of pirates 300 years ago, and to share some examples of organisations that have been inspired to transform. Resources: Be More Pirate website Be More Pirate meetup events (online and in-person) Reinventing Organisations website (about Frederic Laloux's work) How to follow Alex and Sam: Twitter: @AlexandraBarke1 and @SamConniff

May 25, 2021 • 51min
Ep. 61 Topi Jokinen on levelling up a construction firm with self-organisation
Topi Jokinen is one of the founders of a small Finnish company in the construction sector called Vertia. Since 2018, Topi has been leading a transformation in the company based on the idea of self-organising cells to help it grow and develop. He is perhaps the first CEO I have met who has done this level of personal and professional development and he shares with heart and humility what his leadership journey has been. We also talk about Vertia’s radical structures and practices, such as a transparent and collaborative salary model, as well as what Topi has learned about stepping back and letting go as a co-founder and CEO. Resources: The Vertia case study produced by Amara Collaboration Vertia’s website A page about the Advice Process and collaborative decision making from the Reinventing Organisations wiki How to follow Topi: Twitter: @TopiJokinen

Mar 30, 2021 • 53min
Ep. 60 Anna Thomson and David Baksh on Yoghurt Utopia and meaning at work
Filmmakers Anna Thomson and David Baksh talk to me about Yoghurt Utopia, their documentary about a yoghurt company whose mission is to provide work and accommodation for people living with mental illness in the Catalonia region in Spain. Having spent several years with some of the workers of La Fageda and its inimitable founder, Cristobal Colon, they share what they have learned about this remarkable workplace and what lessons we can learn in terms of diversity, inclusion, and meaning at work. Resources: Link to watch the Yoghurt Utopia documentary (NB: you need to create a free account with Waterbear to access) The trailer for the Yoghurt Utopia documentary The Yoghurt Utopia Facebook page, where you can follow updates about what film festivals it’s featured in, where you can see it etc. Anna Thomson’s article for The Huffington Post about the film ‘Cultivating a worker’s paradise’, article in The Guardian The La Fageda website (in Catalan)

Mar 1, 2021 • 54min
Ep. 59 Yuji Yamada on Reinventing Organisations through a Japanese lens
Yuji Yamada, expert in organisational transformation explores Japanese vs Western lenses. Topics include teal organisations, Jinen management, East Asian advantages in new ways of working, and cultural paradigms of interconnectedness.

Feb 15, 2021 • 1h 7min
Ep. 58 Richard D. Bartlett and Natalia Lombardo from The Hum on going from a domination to a partnership society
Rich and Nati are the founders of collaboration consultancy The Hum and part of the Enspiral network. Between them, they have a background in activism, engineering, community organising and entrepreneurship and are well-respected thought leaders when it comes to decentralised organisations, self-managing teams and collaborative culture. We talk about personal shifts, ‘trojan horse’ radical practices, and ideas for moving from a domination society to a partnership society. How to follow Rich and Nati: Twitter: @RichDecibels and @LombardoNati Resources: The Hum’s online course (next guided programme starts on the 11th of March 2021) Learn more about Riane Eisler, who Rich mentions at the start The microsolidarity programme Nati mentioned The Enspiral website Loomio’s website

Feb 2, 2021 • 47min
Ep. 57 Nand Kishore Chaudhary from Jaipur Rugs on love, collective consciousness and self-management
Nand Kishore Chaudhary is the remarkable founder of Jaipur Rugs, a company employing 40,000 weavers in 600 villages selling beautiful carpets in 40 countries. The artisans – most of them women in India’s “untouchable” class – are the “heroes of the business”, and self-managed principles like distributed decision making have long been a hallmark of the company. We talk about how N. K. Chaudhary has created a “business ashram”, where people find their clarity of purpose and gain higher consciousness, as well as his thoughts on humble leadership and how Jaipur Rugs will evolve self-management further. Resources: Jaipur Living website and N. K. Chaudhary’s website Doug Kirkpatrick’s blog, ‘Jaipur Rugs: Self-managed art that you can walk on’ A Forbes article about the book The Healing Organisation, which features Jaipur Rugs as one of its examples An extract from the book ‘The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid: Eradicating Poverty Through Profits’ The book ‘The Healing Organisation: Awakening the Conscience of Business to Help Save the World’ by Raj Sisodia and Michael J. Gelb Related Leadermorphosis episodes: Ep. 14 with Doug Kirkpatrick Ep. 42 with Ved Krishna from Yash Pakka

Nov 3, 2020 • 50min
Ep. 56 Anna Elgh on self-managing teams and shifting conflicts at Svenska Retursystem
Anna Elgh is the CEO of Svenska Retursystem, a Swedish circular economy logistics company. We talk about the transformations she has led at the company since joining in 2014, from Lean to nearly three years of moving towards self-managing teams. She shares what she has learned about transforming conflicts, distributed decision making, disbanding the management team, as well as leadership and the power of letting go. Resources: Svenska Retursystem’s website The book Lisa has co-authored with Karin Tenelius, Moose Heads on the Table Related Leadermorphosis episodes: Ep. 55 with Frederic Laloux, author of Reinventing Organisations Ep. 37 with Miki Kashtan about the inner shifts that need to happen for self-management to work Ep 45. with Amy Edmondson about psychological safety and climate (vs culture) The Enneagram Institute Tuff Leadership Training
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