

Leadermorphosis
Lisa Gill and Tuff Leadership Training
Leadermorphosis is a podcast exploring the emerging world of self-managing teams and progressive organisations. Hosted by Lisa Gill, who was named on the Thinkers50 Radar 2020 list, each episode features a guest thought leader or practitioner offering a unique perspective on new and innovative ways of working.
"Turning self-managed teams from a good idea into reality is a big challenge and Lisa Gill is leading the way in making it happen.”
– Thinkers50
Leadermorphosis is powered by Tuff Leadership Training, a team of consultants and coaches who specialise in transformational leadership training, shifting working climates and supporting organisations to become self-managing.
"Turning self-managed teams from a good idea into reality is a big challenge and Lisa Gill is leading the way in making it happen.”
– Thinkers50
Leadermorphosis is powered by Tuff Leadership Training, a team of consultants and coaches who specialise in transformational leadership training, shifting working climates and supporting organisations to become self-managing.
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Sep 7, 2022 • 1h 4min
Ep. 79 Lina Maskoliūnė on lessons from a self-managed business experiment in Lithuania
Lina shares the story of her time at Finnish commercial real estate company Technopolis where she led the transformation of the Lithuania business unit. Inspired by Frederic Laloux's book Reinventing Organisations, she got the mandate from her boss to run her business unit of 20 people in a totally different way, with no managers. She shares the story of what her team learned, the challenges they faced, and the results they achieved. Highlights include some harsh but valuable feedback from her team about how decisions are made; a group learning to handle their own conflicts; and a chief accountant who went above and beyond to help the team exceed a seemingly impossible sales target. Since recording, Lina has teamed up with other progressive leadership practitioners to help organisations in Lithuania transform to self-managing ways of working. Resources: The Leadermorphosis episode with Dunia and Jabi from K2K Emocionando

Aug 17, 2022 • 1h 28min
Ep. 78 Sofia Reis and Luís Alberto Simões on experiments guided by autonomy and connection at Mindera
Sofia and Luís talk about the self-organisation journey at global software engineering company, Mindera. With 900+ employees and counting, they have evolved as a company without managers through experiments guided by questions like: Will this bring more autonomy? Is it human friendly? This has resulted in some remarkable employee-designed processes, like their self-managed salary system, and their unique office space in Porto, Portugal. Sofia, Mindera’s co-founder, and Luís (whose title is ‘Self-Organisation Enthusiast and Learning Geek’) share what they have learned from their journey and how they have developed as individuals themselves. Resources: The Mindera employee handbook Luís’ talk from the Teal Around the World conference Mindera’s website (check out the blogs about why they have no managers, and how their salary process has evolved)

Aug 2, 2022 • 59min
Ep. 77 Aaron Dignan on using software to help scale new ways of working
Aaron Dignan, author of Brave New Work and founder of The Ready, is back on the podcast, this time to talk about how his new software startup, Murmur, can help organisations scale new ways of working. We talk about the importance of team agreements and how to keep them alive, plus what Aaron and his colleagues have been learning from their latest explorations in the worlds of self-management, DAOs and their Brave New Work podcast. Resources: Learn more about Murmur: https://www.murmur.com/ Learn more about The Ready, Aaron’s book Brave New Work: https://theready.com/ and you can buy the Tension and Practice cards here Listen to the previous Leadermorphosis episode with Aaron here Listen to the episode of me on Aaron and Rodney’s Brave New Work podcast talking about embracing discomfort and transforming conflicts – on Apple podcast; Spotify

Jun 29, 2022 • 1h 6min
Ep. 76 Ria Baeck and J.D. Nasaw on trauma informed collaboration
Ria Baeck and J.D. Nasaw. Ria and J.D. are both coaches and facilitators who combine scientific research of trauma with embodied practices of collective intelligence and wisdom. In our conversation, we discuss questions like: what does trauma have to do with new ways of working? How can we be more conscious collaborators? What are examples of embodied practices we can use so that our journey of new ways of working is not only an intellectual one? Ria has thirty years of experience as a therapist, and J.D. is particularly interested in the intersection of somatics, self-management, social justice, and regeneration. Both are associates at Greaterthan for which they have developed a course called Trauma Informed Collaboration. Resources: More information about the Trauma Informed Collaboration course Greaterthan’s website Learn more about Enspiral Learn more about Percolab A beginner’s guide to Polyvagal Theory from Rhythm of Regulation See also the Leadermorphosis episode with Miki Kashtan

Jun 13, 2022 • 53min
Ep. 75 Alice Sheldon on needs understanding and the partnership paradigm
Alice Sheldon is the author of ‘Why Weren’t We Taught This at School?’ and the founder of Needs Understanding, an approach for finding creative solutions and building relationships at home and at work. I love how Alice shares practical tools and stories to bring to life some of the principles of Nonviolent Communication. She also coaches me through an example of an organisation where there is a tension between two groups: those who are enthusiastic about self-management and those sceptical about it. A great episode if you want to upgrade your self-awareness and communication skills. Resources: The Needs Understanding website www.needs-understanding.com Alice’s book, ‘Why Weren’t We Taught This at School?’ The needs list PDF we mention (and other useful lists)

May 6, 2022 • 45min
Ep. 74 Matt Perez on going from a fiat hierarchy to a radical company without bosses or employees
Matt Perez realised that his successful career as a boss in a Silicon Valley tech company had made him a worse person and so he co-founded Nearsoft in 2007 to be a company that works for everyone. His recent book, Radical Companies Without Bosses or Employees, takes self-organisation one step further to include co-ownership so that people aren’t dependent on what he calls ‘enlightened monarchs.’ We talk about what he’s been learning, including the development of a distribution mechanism that decentralises ownership and supports egalitarian and equitable wealth sharing based on contribution. Resources: Matt’s book ‘Radical Companies’ Related Leadermorphosis episodes: Listen to the episode with Anabel Montiel to learn more about Nearsoft Listen to the episode with Jabi Salcedo and Dunia Reverter from K2K

Feb 24, 2022 • 57min
Ep. 73 Kate Beecroft on the critiques and possibilities of DAOs
Kate Beecroft works on ecosystem and community building at Centrifuge, the decentralised asset financing protocol. She has been involved in Decentralised Autonomous Organisations (DAOs) since 2018 and brings to them her experience of self-managing organisations as the co-founder of Greaterthan and a long-time member of Enspiral. We talk about common critiques of DAOs and Web3, as well as how we could share learning more across the worlds of self-managing organisations, DAOs and cooperatives. For listeners totally new to the world of DAOs and Web3, here are two starting points: This Forbes article: What Are DAOs And Why You Should Pay Attention The Brave New Work podcast episode with Chase Chapman (see also their DAO mini-series) Resources: The paper Kate co-authored, The Dissensus Protocol The episode of the ‘On the Other Side’ podcast we mention Elizabeth M. Renieris’ article ‘Amid the Hype over Web3, Informed Skepticism Is Critical’ Richard D. Bartlett, Stephen Reid and Rufus Pollock on Critical Exploration of Web3 (YouTube video) Enspiral’s website

Feb 9, 2022 • 1h 1min
Ep. 72 Swarnalakshmi Ravi on Inclusive Neighbourhood Children’s Parliaments
Swarnalakshmi Ravi is the former national prime minister of India's Inclusive Neighbourhood Children's Parliament. The children’s parliament movement is an example of how simple but effective governance principles and structures can make children’s voices heard and empower them to take collective action on issues that affect their lives. Swarna shares her experiences both as a child participating in these parliaments and now as an adult supporting the development of the Provisional World Children’s Parliament. What can we learn from this movement about inclusion, accessibility and collaboration? Resources: The documentary ‘Power to the Children’: https://www.powertothechildren-film.com/ The book ‘Hello, Neighbourocracy!’: https://leanpub.com/helloneighbourocracy See also Sociocracy for All’s websites for more resources related to neighbourhood and children’s parliaments: https://www.sociocracyforall.org/

Jan 17, 2022 • 45min
Ep. 71 Marwa Farouq on new ways of working, diversity, equity and inclusion at Teach for All
Marwa Farouq leads the Global Operations Circle in Teach for All, which is a global network of partner organisations developing collective leadership to improve education and expand opportunity for all children. Marwa shares what she’s learned from exploring new ways of working at Teach for All, including dismantling the senior leadership team, moving decisions closer to the work, embracing tensions and liberating untapped leadership through their core value of diversity, equity and inclusion. Marwa is originally from Egypt and over her almost 20-year career she has led organisational development, culture transformation, and change management initiatives as well as being a seasoned executive coach and Nonviolent Communication practitioner. Resources: Teach for All’s website https://teachforall.org/ A video where two Teach for All network leaders share ‘The Leadership Mindset Shifts That Have Enabled Progress in Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion’ https://teachforall.org/news/leadership-mindset-shifts-have-enabled-progress-diversity-equity-inclusion About Frederic Laloux’s book, Reinventing Organizations https://www.reinventingorganizations.com/ About Nonviolent Communication https://www.cnvc.org/

Jan 4, 2022 • 55min
Ep. 70 Ravi Resck on social systems that foster win-win-win relationships
Ravi Resck was born to hippy parents in Brazil, became a computer network engineer, and then travelled the world as a guitarist, discovering a love of facilitation and social design. Today he goes by tags like hacktivist, org designer, facilitator, and systems mapper, sharing social technologies with others in a fun and accessible way. He works as a consultant at Target Teal, a collective exploring new ways of working, including an open-source fork of Holacracy called Organic Organization (or O2). We talk about why he believes lessons from self-management and Sociocratic-inspired models benefit all organisations, not just the ‘already-converted’, and Ravi shares some of his favourite examples of organisations and communities at the cutting edge of new ways of collaborating. Ravi is definitely one to watch in the future of work space! Resources: Target Teal’s website https://targetteal.com/en/ Learn more about Organic Organization https://targetteal.com/en/organic-organization/ Sociocracy for All’s page about Sociocracy with Youth, including the Children’s Parliament movement https://www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy-with-youth/ H3Uni’s website https://www.h3uni.org/