Leadermorphosis

Lisa Gill and Tuff Leadership Training
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Jul 25, 2025 • 1h 11min

Ep. 97 Allan Rhodes on organisational gardening and Konsileo

Allan Rhodes, Chief People Officer at Konsileo, shares his journey in designing a self-managing organization. He introduces the concept of organizational gardening, emphasizing the importance of contextual adaptation in growth and collaboration. Drawing on experiences from both Mexican and English cultures, Allan reflects on innovative onboarding processes and the impact of local movements in Latin America during the pandemic. He also discusses the pitfalls of rigid management frameworks and the transformative potential of self-management and technology in modern work environments.
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Jul 10, 2025 • 1h 11min

Ep. 96 Xavier Costa on lessons from self-managing organisations in Spain

Why does Spain appear to be a hotbed for progressive organisations lately? Xavier Costa shares three hypotheses: the implementation of the NER self-management approach in over 100 companies, a rich history of cooperatives, and a culture of innovation in the boundaries of Spain. We also talk about lessons learned from Xavier’s experience of transforming companies, both with consultancy Full Circle Team, and investment fund Krisos, which buys and transforms companies. How do you rebalance salaries? How do you support former managers? And what is the ‘healing’ and personal transformation journey needed for self-organisation to work? Resources: Full Circle Team website: https://www.fullcircleteam.es/ Krisos website: https://krisos.eu/ A Corporate Rebels blog about Indaero’s ‘no managers’ experiment My blog from a few years ago about the NER approach My colleague Karin Tenelius’ blog where she also interviewed Xavier about the new ways of working movement in Spain Related Leadermorphosis podcast episodes: Ep. 53 Dunia Reverter and Jabi Salcedo talk about the NER / K2K approach Ep. 60 Anna Thomson and David Baksh talk about La Fageda  
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May 21, 2024 • 58min

Ep. 95 Tamila Gresham and Simon Mont from Harmonize on new ways of seeing, being and working together

Tamila Gresham and Simon Mont from Harmonize discuss developing ways of collaboration, using the lens of Power, Belonging, and Justice. They emphasize the need to align ways of seeing, being, and working together. Topics include conflict resilience, organizational dynamics, humility in management, and finding joy in collaborative environments.
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Mar 28, 2024 • 54min

Ep. 94 Etienne Salborn and Tonny Wamboga on SINA, self-organisation and ‘freesponsibility’

SINA (Social Innovation Academy) is a network of social enterprise incubators in Uganda and neighbouring countries with a mission of supporting marginalised young people to create their own solutions to social problems in their communities.There are currently more than 10 SINA communities which have catalysed 70+ social enterprises and more than 500 jobs. The goal is to create a global movement of 1,000 SINAs and 100,000 social enterprises by 2035. Etienne Salborn, founder, and Tonny Wamboga, Operations Lead, talk to me about SINA’s model in which self-organisation plays a central role. How do scholars take on key roles? What is the ‘confusion stage’? What are common misconceptions of self-organisation? What are the specific cultural challenges of learning self-organisation in Uganda? We talk about these questions and more in our conversation. Resources: SINA’s website: https://www.socialinnovationacademy.org/ More about the SINA framework A case study about SINA (non-academic) An academic master thesis on the agency aspect of scholars in SINA Masters of Social Change, a SINA documentary about refugee activists and social entrepreneurs Etienne on the Out of the Clouds podcast talking about the SINA founding story and the model  
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Feb 28, 2024 • 56min

Ep. 93 Tirzah Enumah and Mike Arauz from August Public Inc. on psychological safety, equity and inclusion

In this episode we talk all about psychological safety – the misconceptions, what it actually means in practice, what we can learn about it through an equity lens, and how we can design organisational structures that support it (like decision-making protocols). We also talk about how August does onboarding and creates an adult learning environment through feedback, peer reviews and the role of a ‘Development Advocate’, plus how they relate to the ‘new ways of working’ movement right now. Tirzah and Mike are teammates at August Public Inc., an organisation and leadership development and change management firm. Tirzah leads August's Equity & Inclusion practice and Mike is a Founding Partner. Resources: Download the August white paper ‘Looking at Psychological Safety Through an Equity Lens’ Learn more about August and their other insights via their website Related Leadermorphosis podcast episodes: Ep. 45 with Prof. Amy Edmondson Ep. 41 with Michael Y. Lee about the interpersonal risks research (safe spaces and interaction scripts) Michael Y. Lee’s research paper ‘Fostering Positive Relational Dynamics in Teams: The Power of Spaces and Interaction Scripts’ (Academy of Management Journal, 2020) Book: ‘Confronting our Freedom: Leading a Culture of Chosen Accountability and Belonging’ by Peter Block and Peter Koestenbaum  
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Feb 1, 2024 • 54min

Ep. 92 Miki Kashtan and Emma Quayle from NGL on the capacity lens as a path to reinvent ourselves and our organisations

Miki and Emma from NGL discuss reinventing organizations through the capacity lens, moving from coercion to tenderness. They explore topics like fairness, leadership in a bossless environment, and avoiding burnout. The episode offers valuable insights for those facing societal challenges.
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Sep 26, 2023 • 1h 6min

Ep. 91 Miquel, Blanca and Pau from Deerns Spain on becoming a self-managing engineering company

Deerns Spain shares their journey to become a self-managing engineering company. They discuss their transformation process, self-managing salary process, addressing conflicts, emotional KPIs, and future plans. They also explore the challenges of work-life balance and the importance of self-care.
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May 31, 2023 • 53min

Ep. 90 adrienne maree brown on Emergent Strategy and being in right relationship with change

adrienne maree brown, a writer, podcaster, and musician, discusses being in a right relationship with change, embracing discomfort and navigating tension, pleasure activism, reflecting on icons and inspirational figures, leadership within the new ways of working, and taking control of one's life.
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May 10, 2023 • 58min

Ep. 89 Ted Rau on parallels between Relationship Anarchy and self-management

What can the realm of self-management and new ways of working learn from the realm of polyamory, Relationship Anarchy and open relationships? And how can practices in self-organising work teams help us improve our personal relationships? Ted Rau is the co-founder of Sociocracy for All and author of books like ‘Who Decides Who Decides?’ and ‘Many Voices One Song’. In his personal life, he has been in monogamous relationships and, for the last seven years, in open relationships. We explore the parallels across personal and professional relationships, like what it means to ‘be in choice’, consent decision-making as a mindset more than a process, holding multiple roles, and agreement-making. Resources: The link to buy Ted’s books The HBR article I mention, ‘The Little Things that Affect Our Work Relationships’ Alanna Irving’s blog about Relationship Retrospectives Miki Kashtan’s blog about flow, decision-making and conflict  Relationship Anarchy Smorgasbord (wouldn’t it be fun to have an equivalent smorgasbord for our work relationships?) Related Leadermorphosis episodes: Ep. 27 with Ted Rau Ep. 35 with Alanna Irving  
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Apr 25, 2023 • 52min

Ep. 88 Jessica and Douglas Rauch from Aquadec on tradesmen and teal

Douglas Rauch was thinking of selling his construction business until he read Reinventing Organisations by Frederic Laloux. After that, Aquadec went on a transformation journey to becoming a self-managing company. Douglas and his daughter Jessica share the ups and downs of this process over the last five years, including why their initial approach was a spectacular failure, why it was an inner shift that ended up making the difference, and something called “S**t Day.” Resources: Jessica and Douglas' talk at Teal Around the World 2023 Jessica and Douglas on The Better Work Australia Podcast The Better Work Australia Podcast website Aquadec’s website  

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