
This Old Marketing - Content Marketing News with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose
Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.
Latest episodes

Feb 15, 2016 • 59min
PNR 118: Breaking - Brands Create More Content with Less Engagement
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert report on Time buying MySpace (which actually has very little to do with myspace). Twitter announces an opt-in feed change that will most likely go "Full Facebook" in six months, while new research asserts that brands are creating more content with even less engagement. Rants and raves include the economics of native advertising and Frank Underwood. This week's TOM example: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.
This week's story links:
My Space And Its Owner Acquired by Timehttp://techcrunch.com/2016/02/11/time-inc-acquires-viant-owner-of-myspace-and-a-vast-ad-tech-network/What Marketers Need to Know About Twitters New Algorithmic Catch up Feed
http://adage.com/article/digital/brands-twitter-s-algorithmic-feed/302627/
Content Marketing Surged 35% - While Engagement Dropped 17%http://marketingland.com/content-marketing-output-surged-35-in-2015-while-engagement-dropped-17-report-163979Paired with the study itself:http://trackmaven.com/press/trackmaven-analysis-points-to-major-shift-in-digital-marketing-efficacy
Getting Ready For The Tech Slowdownhttp://www.prweek.com/article/1383424/getting-ready-tech-slowdown
SPONSOR
AdStation and the Content Monetization eBook - Download Here:
http://bit.ly/adstation-content-monetization
RANTS AND RAVESRoberthttp://www.outbrain.com/blog/2016/02/the-macroeconomics-of-native-advertising.html
Joe
http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/netflix-sets-up-frank-underwood-campaign-headquarters-in-south-carolina/
http://www.thedrive.com/article/2171/nasas-giving-away-brilliant-space-travel-posters-for-free
#ThisOldMarketing - Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead & Breville
http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/
http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/why-breville/

Feb 9, 2016 • 1h 3min
PNR 117: WSJ Ditches LinkedIn, LinkedIn Ditches Bizo
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss what you can really buy for the price of a Super Bowl advertisement. Gary V gets into the publishing business, and LinkedIn announces ditching its Bizo purchase...while the WSJ decides to drop LinkedIn from its sharing buttons. Rants and raves includes the trust advisor model and why Buffer dropped its enewsletter subscribe form. This week's TOM example: Foley Engines.
What $5 Million Can Buy In Digital Mediahttp://digiday.com/brands/super-bowl-50-5-million-can-buy-digital-media/http://contentmarketinginstitute.com/2012/02/super-bowl-ad-content-marketing/
Gary Vaynerchuk Gets Into The Publishing Businesshttp://digiday.com/agencies/gary-vaynerchuk-gets-publishing-business/
LinkedIn Ditches Bizo Integration http://www.cmswire.com/digital-marketing/why-linkedin-dumped-a-175m-martech-acquisition/
Wall Street Journal Removes LinkedIn Sharing Button http://www.pubexec.com/post/wsj-removes-linkedin-button-b2b-media-might/
SPONSOR
AdStation and Prime Publishing Case Study - http://bit.ly/adstation-case-studyRANTS AND RAVESRoberthttp://www.marketingjournal.org/scaling-trust-marketing-in-a-new-key-an-interview-with-john-hagel-iii/
Joehttps://blog.bufferapp.com/grow-an-email-list-question-mark?utm_campaign=weekly_digest_week_2016W05_dormant_test_control
TOM
http://www.foleyengines.com

Feb 1, 2016 • 59min
PNR 116: The Guardian Gets Aggressive with Native Advertising Terms
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss why publishing an article anywhere but Medium might be a good thing. PwC launches research about the state of content marketing in enterprises, and the Guardian goes "full monty" with labeling native advertising as paid content on their website. Rants and raves include the evolution of content marketing and Joe's level of exhaustion. Today's TOM Example: Chief Optimist by Xerox.
This week's story links:
Anywhere But Medium
http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/20/0900.html
Most Organizations Still Struggling to Deliver Personalized Content, Says Forbes Insights/PwC Report
http://www.forbes.com/forbesinsights/pwc_content/index.htmlhttp://images.forbes.com/forbesinsights/StudyPDFs/PwC-CustomerFocusedContent-REPORT.pdf
The Guardian Is Now Calling Native Ads Paid Content
http://digiday.com/publishers/guardian-now-calling-native-ads-paid-content/
This week's Sponsor: AdStation
Content Monetization eBook
http://bit.ly/adstation-content-monetization
Rants and Raves
Roberthttp://diginomica.com/2016/01/22/content-strategy-takes-a-big-shift-why-i-was-wrong/#.Vq5ka8dmOFg
Joehttps://econsultancy.com/blog/67426-why-the-brands-as-publishers-trend-is-utter-nonsense/
#ThisOldMarketing - Chief Optimist by Xeroxhttp://www.consulting.xerox.com/campaigns/chief-optimist/enus.html

Jan 26, 2016 • 56min
PNR 115: Stop It! Content Marketing Is NOT a Game of Traffic
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the recent exodus at Twitter and what it means for the future of the infamous unicorn. IBM buys Ustream, and the boys discuss the merits of an article that hates on content marketing. Rants and raves include "The Hot Seat", Kevin Spacey and the Fab Four. This week's TOM example: WTWH Media.
This week's article links:
The Revolving Door of Twitter Executiveshttp://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-execs-katie-jacobs-stanton-and-kevin-weil-leaving-company-2016-1IBM Acquires UStreamhttp://techcrunch.com/2016/01/21/ibm-confirms-acquisition-of-ustream-forms-new-cloud-video-unit/#.d9phxs:sjo5Why Brands As Publishers Trend Is Utter Nonsensehttps://econsultancy.com/blog/67426-why-the-brands-as-publishers-trend-is-utter-nonsense/Gartner Identifies The top 10 Strategic Technology Trends for 2016http://www.gartner.com/smarterwithgartner/2016-predictions-for-smart-marketing-technology/
Sponsor: Demandbase and Account-Based Marketing
www.demandbase.com/thisoldmarketing
Robert's Ravehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfjg0kGQFBY
Joe's Raveshttp://techcrunch.com/2016/01/21/at-davos-kevin-spacey-predicts-that-tech-firms-will-follow-netflix-into-mediahttps://blab.im/ryan-hanley-everything-in-digital-marketing-is-dead

Jan 18, 2016 • 1h 2min
PNR 114: The Coming Opportunity in (of all things) Email
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the idea of "peak content" and how there are two camps - one of more content and more traffic and one of the right content and the right traffic. Email, of all things, could be a big opportunity for content marketers in the future, and the boys talk about what it's going to take to land a role as chief content officer. Rants and raves include PewDiePie and creativity. This week's TOM example: Karo Syrup.
This week's article links:
Peak Content the Collapse of the Attention Economyhttp://www.themediabriefing.com/article/peak-content-the-collapse-of-the-attention-economyWhat Comes After Emailhttp://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/01/what-comes-after-email/422625/Changing Roles of Chief Content Officerhttps://www.spencerstuart.com/research-and-insight/changing-channels-chief-content-officerSPONSOR
Account-Based Marketing: Fundamentals every B2B Marketer Must Knowwww.demandbase.com/thisoldmarketingRANTS AND RAVES
Roberthttp://qz.com/584850/creative-peoples-brains-really-do-work-differently/
Joehttp://www.talkingnewmedia.com/2016/01/14/the-power-of-audiences-why-innovative-publishers-are-more-valuable-than-ever/
http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/pewdiepie-revelmode-disney-network/
#ThisOldMarketing example: Karo Syruphttp://www.business2community.com/content-marketing/3-vintage-examples-of-content-marketing-we-can-learn-from-today-01276191#Hz6RQjixFW85VddA.97

Jan 11, 2016 • 1h 2min
PNR 113: How Native Advertising Will Drive the Future of Owned Media
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the rumors of Twitter expanding to 10,000 characters from 140, and what it means to brands. Turner's slew of television stations begin their quest for native advertising dominance, while the boys discuss the possibility of how native opportunities could fuel future owned content brands. Rants and raves include Cisco calling digital marketing redundant and how brands are paying consumers to watch their ads. This Old Marketing example of the week: Lincoln Electric.
This week's story links:
Twitter Considering Killing the 140 Character Limithttp://nerdist.com/twitter-is-considering-new-10000-character-limit-for-tweets/
Turner Seeks To Become One Big Native Ad Platformhttp://adage.com/article/media/turner-seeks-big-native-ad-platform/301959/
Publishers to Hit Bottom with Nativehttp://digiday.com/publishers/peak-native-ads/
Top Challenges For B2B CMO’s 2016, Customers, Data and Content
http://adage.com/article/btob/top-challenges-cmos-2016-customers-data-content/301590/
Sponsor: DemandBase
Account-Based Marketing: Fundamentals every B2B Marketer Must Knowwww.demandbase.com/thisoldmarketing
Rants and Raves
Robert:
http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn-uk/news/2440957/cisco-declares-digital-marketing-term-redundanthttp://www.forbes.com/sites/johnrampton/2016/01/04/how-to-start-your-own-content-marketing-business-in-2016/
Joe:
https://medium.com/@r4isstatic/the-s-word-fe02b09541f#.sgl6xkjmx
http://www.wsj.com/articles/more-marketers-offer-incentives-for-watching-ads-1451991600
http://contently.stfi.re/strategist/2016/01/04/21-content-marketing-predictions-for-2016/?sf=aovxpn
This Old Marketing Example of the Week:
Lincoln Electric's The Stabilizer

Jan 4, 2016 • 1h 5min
PNR 112: Ad Blocking Is 2015 Phrase of the Year
In this first recorded episode of the 2016 year, Joe and Robert review a number of articles on the FTC, native advertising and what the future will hold for sponsored content. Ad blocking and podcasting dominate the key trends of 2015, where the boys uncover "content friction" as a key issue of 2015. Joe and Robert expand on the opportunities in podcast advertising and then rant and rave about the future of SnapChat. Official rants and raves include the definition of content marketing and whether we should build our house on rented land. This week's #ThisOldMarketing example of the week: Pennsylvania Rural Electric Cooperative
This week's story links:
Consumers Can’t Tell Native Ads from Editorial Content http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/265789/consumers-cant-tell-native-ads-from-editorial-con.html
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/30/telegraph-criticised-asa-watchdog-michelin-advertorial
http://adage.com/article/media/iab-concerned-ftc-s-native-advertising-rules/301948/
The Ten Key Media & Publishing Moments of 2015http://www.fipp.com/news/features/the-ten-key-mediapublishing-moments-of-2015
Podcasts Where People Choose To Listen To Ads http://mumbrella.com.au/podcasts-where-people-are-actually-choosing-to-listen-to-ads-336615
Snapchat Is Going To Reach A Billion Users Thanks to Generation S - The Smartphone Generationhttp://calacanis.com/2015/12/29/snapchat-is-going-to-reach-a-billion-users-thanks-to-gen-s-the-smartphone-generation/
SPONSOR
http://IntelligentContentConference.com - Use code "PNR" for $100 off.RANTS AND RAVESRoberthttp://www.sorryformarketing.com/blog/what-is-content-marketing?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
http://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/a-cmo-s-checklist-marketing-transformation/301869/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/12/26/resistance/?tid=sm_fb
Joehttp://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/is-blogging-dead-building-your-content-home-on-rented-land-mitch-joel-mark-schaeffer
This week's #ThisOldMarketing
Pennsylvania Rural Electric Cooperativehttp://www.prea.com/Content/pennlines.asp

Dec 28, 2015 • 1h 4min
PNR 111: FTC In No-Win Situation with Native Advertising
In this New Year's edition of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the most recent FTC statement on native advertising and what it means to brands and publishers. Forbes announces a "light ad" site for ad blockers and ANA chooses "content marketing" as the phrase of the year. The boys cap it off with another Medium story, and why CEO Ev Williams is a master seducer. Rants and raves include YouTube vs. Facebook and The Business Romantic. This week's TOM example: Komputronik buys Benchmark.
This week's news stories:
Forbes blocks Ad Blockershttp://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/265502/forbes-blocks-ad-blockers-launches-agency-counc.html
ANA Says “content marketing” is this Year’s word of the yearhttp://www.thedrum.com/news/2015/12/21/ana-says-content-marketing-word-year
FTC Releases Native Advertising Guidelineshttp://adage.com/article/media/federal-trade-commission-releases-native-ad-guidelines/301921/
Medium’s Ev Williams: ‘It’s Going to Make Less and Less Sense to Publish on the Webhttp://linkis.com/recode.net/2015/12/2/mzkdd
SPONSORContent Marketing University - http://contentmarketinguniversity.comRANTS AND RAVESRobert's Ravehttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JOFYXYG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o01_
Joe's Ravehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_5mNccPBUk
#ThisOldMarketing - Poland's Komputronik Buys Benchmarkhttp://www.warsawvoice.pl/WVpage/pages/article.php/15795/article

Dec 21, 2015 • 1h 2min
PNR 110: Sure, Social Media Platforms Will Never Change
In this special pre-Christmas episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the New York Times big revenue move into native advertising, with some commentary about the WSJ as well. Content marketing predictions flood this episode, but the majority of time is spent ranting about Basecamp moving their blog over to Medium full time. Rants and raves include the trouble in TV Land and Hollywood and a breakdown of Joe's 2016 predictions. This week's TOM example: Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
This week's story links:
Industrial Strength Branded Content
http://www.mondaynote.com/2015/12/14/industrial-scale-branded-content/
2016 Content Marketing Predictions
http://mashable.com/2015/12/18/content-marketing-predictions/#mz6i0n96XuqF
Signal Vs. Noise Moves Its Blog To Medium
https://m.signalvnoise.com/signal-v-noise-moves-to-medium-c8083ce19686#.f7e2inazl
SPONSOR
Widen and Visual Storytelling - http://bit.ly/widen-visual-storytelling
RANTS AND RAVES
Robert's Rant/Rave on TV and Hollywood
http://www.wsj.com/articles/glut-of-scripted-tv-content-troubles-hollywood-1450296686?mod=djemCMOToday
Joe's Rave on Content Marketing Predictionshttp://contentmarketinginstitute.com/2015/12/content-marketing-predictions-2016/

Dec 14, 2015 • 1h 3min
PNR 109: Content Marketing Strikes Back
In this special Star Wars themed episode, Joe and Robert discuss what will happen with Airbnb's content marketing initiative "Pineapple". Ad blocking continues to be all the rage in 2015, and the boys talk about the impact of ad blocking on business models into 2016 and beyond. And don't miss Ann Handley's take on content marketing in 2016 as well. Rants and raves include a take on the Publicis reorganization and how a small ice-cream shop landed the official ice cream of Star Wars. This week's #ThisOldMarketing example: Star Wars Comic Books.
This week's links:
Here’s what happened to Pineapple - AirBNB’s Print Magazine
http://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-what-happened-to-pineapple-airbnbs-one-off-print-magazine-1449684006?mod=djemCMOToday
Ad Blocking Will Force Industry to put the user experience first
http://digiday.com/publishers/2016yearinpreview-ad-blocking-debate-gets-bigger-advertising/
Content Marketing Grows Up - 2016 Prediction
http://www.annhandley.com/2015/12/10/content-marketing-grows-up-my-2016-prediction/
Brutal Competition for Audience Time Across B2B and B2C
http://www.themediabriefing.com/article/colin-morrison-b2bms15
Sponsor: Widen and the 4 C's to Visual Storytelling http://bit.ly/widen-visual-storytelling
Rants and Raves
Robert's
http://www.digitalclaritygroup.com/perception-and-reality-in-publicis/
Joe'shttps://gimletmedia.com/episode/17-words-about-words-from-our-sponsors/
http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/how-mom-and-pop-creamery-brooklyn-became-official-ice-cream-star-wars-168584
#ThisOldMarketing - Star Wars Comic Books https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_(comics)
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