
This Old Marketing - Content Marketing News with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose
Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.
Latest episodes

Oct 7, 2019 • 1h 10min
218: Is the Death of Advertising Upon Us?
Episode #218 of #ThisOldMarketing focuses on the death of advertising. Is it really a thing? Or perhaps an evolution to a new form and function? What would a future with no advertising look like? In other news, the Washington Post begins licensing its Content Management System to large brands, paving the way for Jeff Bezos's (Amazon's) dominance over yet another category. An important stat: 49% of Google searches end up in zero clicks, and Google's strategy will only end up increasing this number. Could search engine optimization die along with advertising? Raves include how Red Bull Media House started and rants include web contact forms, while Robert goes into detail on the failure of written-content projects from brands. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by CMI's Demand Generation Summit.

Sep 23, 2019 • 1h 5min
217: How to Launch a Show Network the Right (and Wrong) Way
In episode #217 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert first discuss Disney CEO Bob Iger's statement that if Steve Jobs were still alive, Apple and Disney would be one company. Let's all just pause right to ponder that possibility. Then the boys dissect the new Recur network from ProfitWell...discussing the good, the bad and the ugly. Is it smart to launch 12 shows at the same time or should ProfitWell do one thing great and move on to the next one? In other news, Joe unpacks how Twitch.tv (owned by Amazon) took over streaming legend Ninja's platform without asking, "accidentally" showing porn. After that, 2012 called and wanted it's "Marriott is now a media company" article back (Robert points out everything wrong and right about this article). In rants and raves, Joe is disgusted about Audible and how it's impossible to just launch an audiobook only, and applauds Freightwaves, an amazing content marketing example. Robert raves Hasbro's purchase of Death Row Records and rants about IKEA's Slow TV. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing University. Use code PNR100 to save $100 off enrollment.

Sep 9, 2019 • 1h 5min
216: Is Google Killing the Website?
In episode 216 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the trend that more and more searches on mobile and desktop end without a click. In the future will the website, as we know it, cease to exist? In other news, the boys elaborate on how audio content and podcasts still may be the best opportunity for building audiences, while both share their take on Google's new privacy stance and why it doesn't help any individual or company except for Google. Rants and raves include a take on Cleveland Clinic's blog revenue strategy and, of course, a long discussion about Popeye's new chicken sandwich. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at iTunes, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at joepulizzi.com/. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing University. Use code PNR100 to save $100 off enrollment.

Aug 26, 2019 • 1h 4min
215: The End of Social Media As We Know It
In episode 215 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss Twitter's decision to ban "state-run" media and how this will, effectively, lead to a huge change in how content is published on social media. Social media sites, like Facebook and YouTube, know their biggest liability is the created content on their platform. We are just now seeing the beginning days of the end of social media as we know it. In other news, Tumblr sells for $3 million (down from $1.1 billion), marketing research shows that marketers think pretty highly of themselves, and Amazon's publishing juggernaut is even bigger than you think. In rants and raves, Joe discovers that "fake news" is rampant in Amazon's books and nobody knows it, while Robert reviews an article that takes #ThisOldMarketing episode 214 to task on brands buying newspapers and the death of journalism. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at iTunes, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at joepulizzi.com/newsletter. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing World. Use code PNR19 to save $100.

Aug 12, 2019 • 1h 4min
214: Brand Marketers (Hopefully) Starting to Sniff Acquisition Opportunities
In episode 214 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the death of journalism (through newspaper media) and how brands are missing an opportunity by not purchasing more newspaper properties. Procter & Gamble (P&G) is growing like crazy but spending less on advertising than ever before. The boys think they know the reason, including help from Home Made Simple. More B2B and B2C brands are investing in print magazines, including the likes of REI and Goose Island. Opportunity? And FIPP suggests that future growth lies in niche media and underserved international populations. In rants and raves, Joe raves iQiyi's push into Chinese vertical dramas and believes that Stanford's M&A program is something brand marketers and CMO's need to pay attention to. Hint: Acquiring content brands instead of starting them fresh. Robert thinks that the move away from the CMO is like moving deck chairs (with kudos to this Ian Truscott post). ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at iTunes, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at joepulizzi.com/newsletter. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing World. Use code PNR19 to save $100.

Jul 29, 2019 • 1h 4min
213: Content Brands Launching Everywhere While Audio Marketing Blooms
In episode 213 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the death of influencer marketing, which isn't dead at all...just changing. Two big brands, Outdoor Voice and Staples, launch content brands The Recreationalist and Worklife. The opportunities in voice marketing have never been better. Audiobooks are growing at 25 percent and Alexa devices count more than 100 million, yet there are very few Alexa Skills, opening a content gap. In rants and raves, Joe raves about the New York Times enewsletter program, while Robert comments about why MarTech as marketing is a scary proposition. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at iTunes and Stitcher, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at joepulizzi.com/newsletter. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. ------ This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing World. Use code PNR19 to save $100.

Jul 15, 2019 • 1h 6min
212: The Genesis Planet Episode
After 577 days #This Old Marketing, with author/entrepreneur Joe Pulizzi and strategist Robert Rose, returns in a blaze of glory. Episode 212 leads with a detailed discussion of subscription fatigue and what we as marketers and consumers need to do about it (https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/336981/publishers-face-another-challenge-subscription-f.html). Then the boys go in-depth about the opportunities in print media (https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/2019/07/opinion-why-digitally-native-brands-are-turning-to-print/) and the increasingly complex role of the CMO (https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/marketing-and-sales/our-insights/how-to-unlock-marketing-led-growth-data-creativity-and-credibility). The news concludes with a heated discussion about brand purpose (check out https://martechseries.com/sales-marketing/programmatic-buying/turning-point-ad-industry-kfc-unilever-deloitte-top-marketers-reflect-cannes-lions/ as well as this amazing Steve Jobs' speech from 1997 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dUExqjNog). The show concludes with Robert's rave about B2B's taking back their websites (https://velocitypartners.com/blog/b2b-marketers-take-back-your-website/) and his rant on cause marketing (https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/cause-marketing-isnt-working-for-young-people/). Joe raves about Raspberry Pi's print magazines purchase (https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/dennis-publishing-sells-off-two-magazines-to-computer-manufacturer-raspberry-pi-and-looks-to-shift-third-title/) and rants about Mailchimp presents (https://mailchimp.com/presents/). Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at iTunes and Stitcher, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at joepulizzi.com/newsletter. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing World. Use code PNR19 to save $100.

Dec 12, 2017 • 1h 27min
Finale (The Last Waltz)
The final episode of This Old Marketing includes answering listener questions on the future of content marketing, Joe and Robert asking each other their own questions, and a few other surprises along the way. It's been an amazing ride. Thank you for making it possible. #ThisOldMarketing

Nov 20, 2017 • 1h 11min
PNR 210: Why Won't CMO's Consider Buying Media Companies?
In this final regular episode of This Old Marketing, Robert and Joe discuss which company will buy Fox, and whether Apple will ever buy Disney. Something is increasingly disturbing about web content, while media companies rush into the agency services business. Rants and raves include net neutrality and audio content. The final TOM example: This Old Marketing. This week's story links: QUICK HITS Why Comcast Verizon and Disney Should And Shouldn’t Try to Acquire Foxhttp://www.adweek.com/tv-video/why-comcast-verizon-and-disney-should-and-shouldnt-try-to-acquire-fox/ Something Is Wrong On The Internethttps://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2 IN DEPTH Holiday Cards and House Ads - The Role of Publishers Content Studios Is Ever Expandinghttps://digiday.com/media/holiday-cards-house-ads-role-publishers-content-studios-ever-expanding/ SHOW SPONSOR - STORYBLOCKS Go to http://storyblocks.com/cmi to get all the stock images, video, and audio you can imagine for $149. RANTS AND RAVES https://medium.com/the-mission/the-best-sales-pitch-ive-seen-all-year-7fa92afaa248 http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/books/ct-books-straight-to-audio-1112-story.html TOM - This Old Marketing

Nov 13, 2017 • 1h 1min
PNR 209: Latest Content Marketing Spending Stats Hard to Believe
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Robert and Joe unpack the latest content marketing spending research and whether or not we can actually believe it. Marketing predictions are back again, while the boys discuss the success or failure of Casper's content brand Van Winkle's. Rants and raves include building an audience, Snapchat, and the art of questioning. This week's TOM example: Maxwell House Haggadah. This week's story links: QUICK HITS Content Marketing Industry Will Be Worth $412 Billion Following a Four Year Growth Spurthttp://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/11/06/content-marketing-industry-be-worth-412bn-2021-following-four-year-growth-spurt? 2018 Marketing Predictions From The C-Suitehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/kimberlywhitler/2017/11/01/2018-marketing-predictions-from-the-c-suite/#16806e0e4c91 IN DEPTH Mattress Company Shutters Web Publication Pivots To Printhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/mattress-company-shutters-web-publication-pivots-to-print-1510057802 Ryan Skinner From LinkedIn’s Posthttps://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6333654509339971584/ SHOW SPONSOR - STORYBLOCKS Go to http://storyblocks.com/cmi to get all the stock images, video, and audio you can imagine for $149. RANTS AND RAVES http://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/john-lewis-unveils-moz-the-monster-in-its-charming-christmas-ad-about-friendship/ https://digiday.com/marketing/audience-based-planning-next-battleground-media-agencies/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/09/time-to-snap-into-action/ TOM - Maxwell House http://forward.com/schmooze/173621/101-years-of-the-maxwell-house-haggadah/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_House_Haggadah