
This Old Marketing - Content Marketing News with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose
Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.
Latest episodes

Feb 24, 2020 • 1h 3min
228: The Real Story Behind Facebook's Fact-Checking Plan
In episode #228 of This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert kick off the show with commentary on Burger King's new "moldy burger" campaign. Facebook hires Reuters to do fact checking, and the boys argue about the real strategy behind the move. More and more "advertisers" are buying media companies and one article gives a detailed history of the missed opportunity (by both marketers and media companies). Catalogs are back again, while the Peloton "wife" commercial didn't hurt business like so many prognosticators thought. In rants and raves, Robert details why IKEA keeps winning and shares an important New York Times article on the importance of Journalism. Joe shares new research on the "State of Writing" and its impact on all marketers and communicators. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Joe's new #thriller is now available at TheWilltoDie.com. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Feb 10, 2020 • 1h 3min
227: Ranking the Best & Worst Super Bowl Ads of 2020
On episode #227 of PNR's This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert dissect the best and worst super bowl ads of 2020. In other news, the creation of less content is actually a winning strategy of successful online publishers, while Warren Buffett leaves the newspaper media industry...or does he? There were a slew of M&A deals over the past few weeks, including Barstool Sports and Spotify gobbling up "The Ringer." In rants and raves, Joe raves about Ray Dalio's Principles, and shares one of the oldest content marketing examples ever. Robert raves about John Kotter's A Sense of Urgency and discusses the future of content activism. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Joe's new #thriller is now available at TheWilltoDie.com. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Jan 28, 2020 • 1h 1min
226: Content Jobs Among Biggest Growth Area Per World Economic Forum
In episode 226 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert dissect an intriguing report by the World Economic Forum on the future of jobs. In it, the WEF predict that sales, marketing and content jobs will be among the most plentiful. In other news, the death of the cookie (as declared by Google) is big news for advertisers, publishers and content marketers. Who will win? (Joe and Robert tell you) Finally, the boys break down the success of new media companies turning profitable, and what marketers can learn. In rants and raves, Joe raves about the Unauthorized Biography Series and Loserthink by Scott Adams. Robert then talks in detail about the life and death of Clayton Christensen. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Joe's new #thriller is now available at TheWilltoDie.com. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Jan 13, 2020 • 1h 3min
225: Coca-Cola Reverts Back to CMO Role. Does It Matter?
In episode #225 (the Happy New Year episode) of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert look at the advertising industry, and whether a "move" away from smartphone usage will hurt digital ads (uh, not really). Facebook says it will ban artificial intelligence "deepfakes," but will it make a difference since Facebook isn't changing its policy on cheapfakes or shallowfakes? The annual Consumer Electronics Show (CES) happened last week. Joe and Robert discuss some of the main questions from the CES show. And finally, Coca-Cola reverted back to having the CMO role. Robert is happy, but Joe thinks it's all show and no bite. In rants and raves, Joe covers an ANA article about B2B Content Marketing while Robert raves about Buzzfeed's new business model. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Joe's new #thriller is now available at TheWilltoDie.com. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Dec 30, 2019 • 1h 4min
224: 8 Big Content Marketing Predictions for 2020
Yes! It's the annual #ThisOldMarketing predictions episode. This year, Robert and Joe bring you eight amazing and infallible marketing predictions that are sure to be wrong (but fun nonetheless). This year's marketing predictions include: Less Content and Simplicity to Drive Marketing Strategy in 2020 (Joe). Brand Journalism (or Content Marketing) is pushed forward by Social Corporate Responsibility (SCR) efforts (Robert). The drop in print has stopped. 2020 will see the resurgence of print media led by enterprise brands (Joe). Support article on print books here. Ad Tech takes a crippling hit in 2020 (Robert). Microsoft will launch their own "Disney+" for business-to-business markets (Joe). AppleTV Plus will die (Joe, but Robert disagrees). Deepfakes take over the 2020 election process (Joe). Big agencies start to break up after large consolidation run (Robert). Robert's Rave - Brand-backed media gets another look. Joe's Rave - Essentialism by Greg McKeown ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Joe's new #thriller is now available at TheWilltoDie.com. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Dec 16, 2019 • 1h 4min
223: Can Marketers Learn Anything from the Peloton Fiasco?
In this episode #223 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert go inside Peloton...discussing the ad, the aftermath and what might happen to the brand in the future. Robert believes many mistakes were made, but the public's reaction was a pure over-reaction. Joe thinks that we can't judge the outcome until the next quarter's results are in. In other news, the boys dissect the #SubscribeSunday program from Boston Globe, and how brands can use both an "event" and a collaborative effort to launch and grow content marketing initiatives. Finally, Joe and Robert discuss the huge opportunities and challenges for brands who want to acquire distressed media assets. In rants and raves, Joe raves about Straight No Chaser while Robert rants on California's upcoming privacy law (CCPA), with a helpful infographic from Ruth Carter on how to comply with CCPA. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Joe's new #thriller is now available at TheWilltoDie.com. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Nov 25, 2019 • 1h 1min
222: Our Biggest Failures BONUS Episode + Even More Failures
In this very special #222 bonus episode of This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert take requests from Twitter. What could go wrong? Alberto Gomez (@albermoire) asked Joe and Robert about their biggest failures. Since the boys only had an hour, they decided to cover just a few of the many, many failures in their young lives. Doug Kessler (@DougKessler) asked about "what's next?" Joe covered voice and print. Robert covered drastic changes in governance. Both discussed the evolution of social media, with particular focus on Sacha Baron Cohen's recent ADL speech. In rants and raves, Joe ranted about YouTube's FTC compliance system, while Robert discussed gratitude. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Nov 18, 2019 • 1h 3min
221: Marketing Always Works (If You Leave Out Certain Data)
In episode 221 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert unpack Disney's launch of Disney+, including first-day tech issues, adding 10 million users, and a huge stock market push to record levels. Further into the show, Robert unpacks the current marketing bubble: online advertising (H/T @karlyeh721), and how everything can be proven to work if you only use part of the data. Joe continues on into social media news: Facebook is found to be "secretly" using the iPhone camera while their app is open and Instagram announces they won't be showing the like count on posts any longer. In rants and raves, Joe raves about His Dark Materials amazing usage of outdoor media and provides comment on how Generation Z might save print. Robert rants about Sharethrough's EU office closing and provides commentary on Nielsen's company split. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

Nov 4, 2019 • 1h 1min
220: Twitter's Move Away from Political Ads a PR Stunt
In episode 220 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the bold move by Twitter, who announced they will remove political ads from their platform in a few weeks. Robert believes this was a good call, and that Twitter may not resume service in that area. Joe believes that Twitter completely dropped the ball, and they will resume service (and charge a premium) in a few months. Both believe the move was done primarily for public relations purposes. In other news, Google buys wearables-maker Fitbit, and also looks at acquiring TikTok rival Firework. Joe and Robert also review Orbit Media's latest research on blogging, and what really works in textual media today. In rants and raves, Joe applauds Elon University's approach to the Common App, while Robert rants about the talk around the demise of the CMO, and raves about how GDPR-compliant companies are winning (h/t @thanybethanybe). ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by CMI's Agency Masterclass in NYC.

Oct 21, 2019 • 58min
219: Will New Regulations Help or Hurt Your Content Creation?
In episode 219 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert start by discussing the controversy surrounding the NBA and China. Was the NBA correct in how they dealt with an employee tweet (we say no)? How should a large global brand deal with employee social media? Other news was dominated by government regulations. First, the boys unpack California Assembly Bill 5 (AB5) and what it means for hiring freelance content creators. Second, Joe and Robert discuss California's Privacy Act, which seems to be the start of how dozens of states are dealing with online privacy concerns...and...are the new regulations good or bad news for marketers and content creators? Robert's raves include TCG buying a majority stake in Food52 and Airbnb buying Atlas Obscura. Joe's raves include Barstool Sports generating over $1 million selling vodka and his experience in New Orleans at three particular establishments that all marketers can learn from. ------ Subscribe to PNR: This Old Marketing at Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube, or wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Subscribe to Joe Pulizzi's Random Newsletter at JoePulizzi.com. Follow Joe @JoePulizzi. Subscribe to Robert Rose's newsletter at The Content Advisory. Follow Robert @Robert_Rose. ------ This episode is sponsored by CMI's Demand Generation Summit.