

fiction/non/fiction
fiction/non/fiction
Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.
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Jun 1, 2023 • 46min
S6 Ep. 35: Cancel Club: Jane Roper on Online Shame, Responsibility, and Fame
Writer Jane Roper joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss cancel culture and her new book, The Society of Shame. Roper teases out some of the similarities and differences between the group in her novel and the real-life “Gathering of Thought Criminals” as recently covered in the New Yorker. She discusses what social and moral offenses can and cannot be forgiven. She reads from her book as well as the New Yorker article by Emma Green. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Jane Roper
The Society of Shame
Double Time
Eden Lake
Others:
“The Party is Cancelled” by Emma Green, The New Yorker
“‘Central Park Karen’ Amy Cooper Loses Lawsuit Against Former Employer” by Patrick Reilly
“Florida Women Plead Guilty in Sex Sting Involving Patriots Owner Robert Kraft” Associated Press
Thomas Sowell
Tyler Fischer
“‘Nobody imagined it would go on this long’: Bud Light sales continue to plummet over Mulvaney backlash” by Rob Wile
Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 1, Episode 2: “Jia Tolentino and Claire Vaye Watkins Talk Abuse, Harassment, and Harvey Weinstein”
Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 4, Episode 13: Cancellation or Consequences? Meredith Talusan and Matt Gallagher on Accountability in Literature ‹ Literary Hub
“Uber’s Diversity Chief Put on Leave After Complaints of Insensitivity” by Kellen Browning
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May 25, 2023 • 41min
S6 Ep. 34: Rising from the Ashes: Felix Salmon on the Debt Ceiling Crisis and the Surprising Resilience of the COVID Economy
Financial correspondent and podcast host Felix Salmon joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the debt ceiling crisis and his new book The Phoenix Economy: Work, Life, and Money in the New Not Normal. Salmon unpacks the political and financial ramifications of our current debt ceiling crisis—and compares the present impasse to prior debt ceiling fights. He also discusses the underappreciated and unexpected economic effects of the COVID pandemic, including an increase in the financial health of lower income Americans and a redistribution of population away from major cities. Salmon reads from The Phoenix Economy, and explains how the pandemic will continue to change our economic lives.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Felix Salmon
The Phoenix Economy: Work, Life, and Money in the New Not Normal
Slate Money podcast
Others:
“A Brief History of Debt Ceiling Crises” by Raymond Scheppach Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

May 18, 2023 • 44min
S6 Ep. 33: The Stakes of the Writers’ Strike: Benjamin Percy on the WGA Walkout, Streaming, and the Survival of Screenwriting
Novelist, screenwriter, and Writers Guild of America member Benjamin Percy joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the Hollywood writers’ strike, which began May 2. Percy talks about several WGA contract proposals tied to streaming services’ rise in popularity, and reflects on how streaming has upended the traditional 22-episode television season, causing writers to scramble for work every 10 weeks. He explains how writers end up doing unpaid labor before shows are greenlit and highlights how a lack of transparency regarding streaming viewership numbers leads to writers being underpaid. He also analyzes why the WGA wants to limit the use of artificial intelligence on its projects. Finally, he talks about his own experiences writing screenplays, including his recent movie Summering. The group listens to the trailer and Percy recalls the genesis of the film, as well as how being on a set changed his understanding of the economics of movies.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Benjamin Percy
Summering Trailer #1 (2022) | Movieclips Trailers
The Sky Vault
Red Moon
The Wilding
The Ninth Metal
The Unfamiliar Garden
Thrill Me: Essays on Fiction
Others:
WGA proposal
"You're Not Making Jet Engines, You're Making Art" | The Distraction: A Defector Podcast
"2023 Writers Guild of America Strike: What You Need to Know" - The New York Times
Writers Guild of America West: Mini-Rooms Are Writers’ Rooms. Period.
“These are the TV shows and films affected by the Hollywood writers' strike so far,” by Ananya Bhattacharya, Quartz
"Writers strike: What TV shows are being affected" by Brahmjot Kaur, NBC
"WGA strike 2023: Hollywood’s writers walked off the job. What happens now?" - Vox
"Conan lauded for his support of writers in old video amid new writers strike: 'Man is a legend,'" by Aditi Bora
"The last writers’ strike, when streaming was new and Conan grew a beard" - By Sonia Rao and Michael Cavna, The Washington Post
Especially Heinous: 272 Views of Law & Order SVU | The American Reader by Carmen Maria Machado
Story by Robert McKee
Save the Cat by Blake Snyder
Screenplay by Syd Field
Near Dark, directed by Kathryn Bigelow
Chinatown
William Goldman
The Princess Bride
All the President’s Men
Quentin Tarantino
Drew’s Script-O-Rama
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6 Episode 17: Chatbot vs. Writer: Vauhini Vara on the Perils and Possibilities of Artificial Intelligence
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 2 Episode 11: Brit Bennett and Emily Halpern on Screenwriting’s Tips for Fiction
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1 Episode 11: What’s It Really Like to Have Your Book Made Into a Movie?
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May 11, 2023 • 40min
S6 Ep. 32: The East Palestine Train Derailment and Your Health: Kerri Arsenault on the Pervasive and Ongoing Risks of Dioxin
Writer Kerri Arsenault joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the recent derailment of a train carrying hazardous chemicals in East Palestine, Ohio. Arsenault is the author of Mill Town: Reckoning with What Remains, an investigative memoir about her hometown, Mexico, Maine, where a paper mill released dioxins into the environment for decades. Arsenault talks about the effect dioxins had on Mexico, which was nicknamed “Cancer Valley,” as well as the history of dioxin poisonings in America. She discusses how government and industry responses in East Palestine parallel the cover-up in her hometown. She also reads from the book.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Kerri ArsenaultMill Town: Reckoning with What RemainsOthers:
“Texas to New Jersey: Tracking the Toxic Chemicals in the Ohio Train Inferno” by Hiroko Tabuchi
“Whose Test Results Should East Palestine Believe?” by Gabrielle Gurley
“Leaked audio reveals U.S. rail workers were told to skip inspections as Ohio crash prompts scrutiny to industry” by Michael Sainato
White Noise by Don DeLillo
“Living and Breathing on the Front Line of a Toxic Chemical Zone” by Eric Lipton
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May 4, 2023 • 52min
S6 Ep. 31: Ready Player One: B.J. Best, Andrew Ervin, and Brittney Morris on Video Games, Storytelling, and the Importance of Play
Writers B.J. Best, Andrew Ervin, and Brittney Morris join co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell live from the Unbound Book Festival in Columbia, Missouri to discuss the narrative realms of video games and the evolving space they inhabit. The group reminisces about their first experiences playing and talks about nostalgia, reflects on ludology vs narratology in game design, and analyzes the way video games include players in the storytelling. Ranging from the text-based games of early days to the AAA and blockbuster franchises like Red Dead Redemption and World of Warcraft, this episode considers the necessity of play after childhood. All three authors read from their work.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Cheri Brisendine and Anne Kniggendorf.B. J. Best
Birds of Wisconsin
State Sonnets
But Our Princess is in Another Castle
Interactive Fiction
Andrew Ervin
Burning Down George Orwell’s House
Extraordinary Renditions
Bit by Bit: How Video Games Transformed Our World
Electric Lit
Lit Hub
Brittney Morris
SLAY
The Cost of Knowing
The Jump
Spider-Man 2 for the Playstation 5
Subnautica: Below Zero
The Lost Legends of Redwall
Others:
Ready Player One by Ernest Cline
Video Game History Timeline
The Evolution of the Video Game Controller
What is Ekphrastic Poetry?
The Starry Night by Anne Sexton
The Playstation 5 Shortage is Over
Ludology vs Narratology
Teleology
Play Doesn’t End With Childhood
Josh Hawley Hates “Manipulative” Video Games
Games:
Madden NFL (gameplay)
Super Mario 64 (gameplay)
Alpiner (gameplay)
Munch Man (gameplay)
Super Mario Bros
Red Dead Redemption (gameplay)
Simulacra
The Watson-Scott Test
Cicada 3301 (4chan puzzles)
The Last of Us (gameplay)
Passage
Doki Doki Literature Club!
Cuphead (gameplay)
Gris (gameplay)
World of Warcraft (gameplay)
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Apr 27, 2023 • 56min
S6 Ep. 30: Ralph Yarl, Defunding Libraries, and (Re)Writing Kansas City: José Faus, C.J. Janovy, and Desideria Mesa on the Importance of Crafting New Narratives in a Divided City
Visual artist and poet José Faus, journalist C.J. Janovy, and writer Desideria Mesa, join host Whitney Terrell live from the Unbound Book Festival in Columbia, Missouri, to discuss Kansas City’s literary legacy and its future. The group focuses on new book ban legislation, as well a white homeowner’s recent shooting of Black teenager Ralph Yarl, who mistakenly knocked on his door. Mesa reflects on the Mexican boxcar community and how that history is still relevant and present in the city today. Faus talks about the Latino Writers Collective and The Kansas City Defender, two prominent Kansas City literary forces. Janovy discusses recent legislation restricting the rights of transgender people in Kansas and Missouri and a vote by the Missouri House of Representatives to defund libraries. Each author reads a short section of their work.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Rachel Layton and Anne Kniggendorf.José Faus
The Life and Times of José Calderon
“This Town Like That”
C.J. JanovyNo Place Like HomeDesideria MesaBindle Punk BrujaOthers:
Unbound Book Festival
Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 5 Episode 12 - Intimate Contact: Garth Greenwell on Book Bans and Writing About Sex
Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 5 Episode 13 - Censoring the American Canon: Farah Jasmine Griffin on Book Bans Targeting Black Writers
“In Kansas City, Wrong Door Shooting Reopens Questions About Racism” - New York Times
“Missouri House Republicans Want to Defund Libraries. Here’s Why” - PBS News Hour
Latino Writers Collective
Dan Jaffe
Sharat Chandra
Michelle Boisseau
David Ray
Ernest Hemingway
Langston Hughes
Gordon Parks
Gwendolyn Brooks
William Stafford
Evan Connell
Glenn North
Hadara Bar-Nadav
Anne Boyer
The Kansas City Star
Calvin Trillin
The Kansas City Defender
Emanuel Cleaver II
Quinton Lucas
Richard L. Berkeley
Kansas City (Movie)
Jay McShann
William (Count) Basie
Bennie Moten
Charlie Parker
Strawberry Hill
“ACLU Sues Missouri Over Book Ban Law that Pushed School Libraries to Remove Hundreds of Titles” - KCUR
“Racism and Fascism” by Toni Morrison
“Kansas Bans Transgender Athletes from Women’s, Girls’ Sports” - Associated Press
Westboro Baptist Church
“Caitlyn Jenner: The Full Story” - Vanity Fair
“Local Organizations Promote Understanding of Transgender Residents with Billboard” - The Collegian, Kansas State University
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Apr 20, 2023 • 42min
S6 Ep. 29: Live from New York: Curtis Sittenfeld on Dating Up, Writing Funny, and How SNL and the Iowa Writers’ Workshop Are Alike
Bestselling author Curtis Sittenfeld joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her new novel, Romantic Comedy, which begins behind the scenes at a television show similar to Saturday Night Live, where a female comedy writer is gobsmacked that her schlubby straight male co-workers keep dating famous women seemingly out of their league. Sittenfeld discusses dating up, women in the workplace, and the similarities between SNL and the Iowa Writers Workshop. Sittenfeld and Ganeshananthan crack up while reading from Romantic Comedy, and Sittenfeld discusses the surprising turn in her heroine’s love life, the complications of writing sex scenes, and how she dealt with the pressure to be funny when describing comedians. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Ryan Reed and Anne Kniggendorf.Curtis Sittenfeld
Romantic Comedy
Rodham
Eligible
American Wife
“Gender Studies,” from The New Yorker
Others:
Live from New York by Tom Shales and James Andrew Miller
Bossypants by Tina Fey
Pete Davidson on Marc Maron's WTF Podcast
Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
David Spade on Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend Podcast
How to Write a Sketch for SNL from the Working it Out Podcast
Saturday Night: Documentary
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Apr 13, 2023 • 40min
S6 Ep. 28: An American Experiment: Jeff Boyd on Race, Music, Religion, and Love in Contemporary Portland
Fiction writer Jeff Boyd joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss his debut novel, The Weight, a coming-of-age story about a young Black musician who struggles with romance, religion, and racism in predominantly white Portland. Boyd talks about his personal struggles with and admiration of faith, the difficulties of developing an identity, and his own experiences as a Black man living in Oregon. He reflects on the dynamics of bands, as well as his protagonist’s romantic relationships and ability to forgive. He reads an excerpt from the book. To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Amanda Trout and Anne Kniggendorf.Jeff BoydThe WeightOthers:
Ghostbusters (1984)
Go Tell It on the Mountain by James Baldwin
In the Soup: Sean McDonald and Monica West on Publishing During, and After, a Pandemic Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4, Episode 18
Revival Season by Monica West
The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin
“On Becoming an American Writer,” by James Alan McPherson from The Washington Post
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6 Episode 20: “Remembering an American Writer: Anthony Walton on James Alan McPherson’s Essays and Legacy”
“A Region Not Home: Reflections From Exile,” by James Alan McPherson from Publisher’s Weekly
Ralph Ellison
Association of Writers & Writing Programs (AWP)
Black Lives Matter
The King of Kings County by Whitney Terrell
“In 2021, 10 Hate Groups were Tracked in Oregon,” from the Southern Poverty Law Center
“Why Iowa Has Become Such a Heartbreaker for Democrats,” by Trip Gabriel from the New York Times
Mutual Musicians Foundation
Portlandia (2011-2018)
“The Geometry of Love,” by John Cheever from Journal of Humanistic Mathematics
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Apr 6, 2023 • 47min
S6 Ep. 27: Manufacturing Lies: Dina Nayeri on How Our Cultural and Bureaucratic Norms Often Betray the Truth
Writer Dina Nayeri joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her new nonfiction book, Who Gets Believed?: When the Truth Isn’t Enough, an examination of whose narratives are considered trustworthy and why, with a focus on refugees and asylum seekers. Nayeri, who was born in Iran and granted asylum to the U.S. when she was 10, talks about the case of a Sri Lankan Tamil man who sought asylum in the U.K. in 2011, and how British officials failed to believe his story of torture. She also describes her childhood feeling of performing a role in her new American home, as well as the origins of her own skepticism—and how a personal tragedy led her to reassess how much she could trust even herself. She reads from her new book.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Thomas White and Anne Kniggendorf.Dina Nayeri
Who Gets Believed
The Ungrateful Refugee
Refuge
A Teaspoon of Earth and Sea
Others:
The Iranian Revolution at 40: Jasmin Darznik and Dina Nayeri On the Anniversary of the Republic Fiction/Non/Fiction Podcast
The Drowned and the Saved by Primo Levi
“In the Penal Colony” by Franz Kafka
Freedom from Torture
Innocence Project
Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 1 Episode 23: Jasmin Darznik and Dina Nayeri on the 40th Anniversary of the Iranian Revolution
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Mar 30, 2023 • 39min
S6 Ep. 26: The Literature of QAnon: From 4chan to January 6, Will Sommer on Reading the Authors of Conspiracy Theories
Journalist Will Sommer joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss his new book Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America, a history of the rise of the cultish right-wing group. Sommer, a reporter for The Daily Beast, has covered QAnon since its inception and explains its origins, what—and who—drives it now, and how he handles interviewing people who believe the world is controlled by a satanic cabal of celebrity pedophiles. He also reads an excerpt from the book.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Cheri Brisendine and Anne Kniggendorf.Will Sommer
Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America
“Fever Dreams” (The Daily Beast)
Others:
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson
“What is QAnon, the Viral, Pro-Trump Conspiracy Theory?” by Kevin Roose
Thomas Pynchon
George Soros
T.S. Eliot
The Waste Land by T.S. Eliot
Ezra Pound
Wallace Stevens
Q by Luther Blissett
Bhagavad Gita
Wu Ming Foundation
“Who is Behind QAnon? Linguistic Detectives Find Fingerprints” by David D. Kirkpatrick
Clerks
Army of Darkness
Franklin Leonard
Slumdog Millionaire
Ron Paul
“The only guide to Gamergate you’ll ever need to read,” by Caitlin Dewey, The Washington Post
David A. Fahrenthold at The Washington Post; David A. Fahrenthold at The New York Times
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