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Bestselling novelist Celeste Ng joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the wide range of GOP policies and initiatives hurting children. This includes recent news of Ron DeSantis pushing anti-LGBTQ+ legislation that authorizes Florida to take emergency custody of trans children “threatened with” receiving gender-affirming care, and justifies the action by classing that care as “physical harm.” They discuss her novel, Our Missing Hearts, which features a young protagonist separated from his Chinese-American mother because of a troublesome fictional law called the Preserving American Culture and Traditions Act. Ng reads from her novel, newly out in paperback.  To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Celeste Ng Our Missing Hearts Little Fires Everywhere Everything I Never Told You Others: State Bill 254 “Judge Sides With Families Fighting Florida’s Ban on Gender Care for Minors,” by Rick Rojas and Azeen Ghorayshi, The New York Times “Florida Passes Bill Allowing Trans Kids to Be Taken From Their Families,” by Tori Otten, The New Republic “Florida Advanced a Bill That Could Separate Trans Kids From Affirming Parents,” by Samantha Riedel, Them “Parents seeking treatments for trans kids could lose custody of child under new Florida bill,” by Sam Sachs, WFLA “Nebraska Mom Helped Her Daughter Get an Abortion. Now Her Daughter Has Been Sentenced to Jail,” by Madison Pauly, Mother Jones “Houston's plan to convert some school libraries into discipline centers is criticized,” by Dominic Anthony Walsh, NPR Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 5, Episode 13: "Censoring the American Canon: Farah Jasmine Griffin on Book Bans Targeting Black Writers" Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 1, Episode 10: "Anti-Semitism and the Authoritarian Playbook" Fiction/Non/Fiction, Season 5, Episode 12: "Intimate Contact: Garth Greenwell on Book Bans and Writing About Sex" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Journalist and novelist Dawnie Walton joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about U.S. concert culture. Why are live concerts so popular this summer and why have they so often become violent? Walton discusses how recent examples of fan violence speak to racism and sexism in American culture, as well as the role social media plays in fandom. Finally, she reads from her 2021 novel, The Final Revival of Opal & Nev, which focuses on the fictional partnership between a Black American woman, singer Opal Jewel, and a white British man, guitarist Neville Charles, and discusses her story’s connection to the infamous Altamont Free Concert in 1969.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Lynn Snyder and Anne Kniggendorf.Dawnie WaltonThe Final Revival of Opal & NevOthers: “It's ‘Bey Day’ in ‘Swiftieapolis,’” by Tommy Wiita, Bring Me The News  “How Taylor Swift Broke Ticketmaster,” by Spencer Kornhaber, The Atlantic, Nov. 18, 2022 “No report filed for alleged attack at Monica concert: Detroit police,” by Jakkar Aimery, The Detroit News “Bebe Rexha Hit in the Face by Thrown Cell Phone at NYC Concert,” by Tim Dickinson, Rolling Stone “Ava Max and Bebe Rexha were attacked by men on stage at their own concerts, why?” by Furvah Shah, Cosmopolitan Magazine “The Chaos of Altamont and the Murder of Meredith Hunter,” by Sasha Frere-Jones, The New Yorker, Mar. 28, 2019 “Jason Aldean's 'Small Town' is part of a long legacy with a very dark side,” by Amanda Marie Martinez, National Public Radio “The traumatic story of Merry Clayton and The Rolling Stones,” by Arun Starkey, Far Out Magazine, Dec. 25, 2021 Black Country Music: Listening for Revolutions, by Francesca T. Royster  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bestselling novelist and former Twitter employee Robin Sloan joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about how Elon Musk’s ownership of Twitter and the rise of new platforms like Mastodon, Bluesky, and Meta’s Threads are shaping a new ecosystem of social media. The co-hosts and Sloan grapple with the unruliness of Twitter over time, political polarization on different platforms and the risks of disinformation, and what the end of Twitter—now rebranded as X—might look like. Sloan reflects on the role social media plays (or doesn’t) in authors’ careers, as well as his own decision to leave Twitter. Finally, he reads from his 2012 novel Mr. Penumbra's 24-Hour Bookstore.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Amanda Trout and Anne Kniggendorf.Robin Sloan Mr. Penumbra’s 24-Hour Bookstore Sourdough “Conspiracy Museum” (The Atlantic) Others: “Robin Sloan leaves Twitter's Media Partnerships team,” The Next Web, November 11, 2011 “Bay Area author Robin Sloan dishes on 'Sourdough,' Twitter and books,” San Jose Mercury-News, May 18, 2019 “How to Write Science Fiction That Isn't 'Useful,'” Robin Sloan interviewed by Ellen Cushing, The Atlantic, May 15, 2020 “The Age of Social Media Is Ending,” by Ian Bogost, The Atlantic, Nov. 10, 2022 “Threads users looking for 'genuine connection' as Twitter-like social media platform goes back to basics,” ABC News (Australia), July 14, 2023. “Social Media Is Dead,” by Edward Ongweso Jr., Vice, Nov. 8, 2022. “Social Media Died When It Stopped Being Social and Became About Making Money,” by Enrique Dans, Forbes, May 13, 2019 “With the rise of AI, social media platforms could face perfect storm of misinformation in 2024,” CNN Business, July 17, 2023 “Threads, Twitter, and the Future of Social Media,” by Sriram Krishnan, The New York Times (Opinion), July 15, 2023 “Zombie Twitter Has Arrived,” by Ian Bogost and Charlie Warzel, The Atlantic, July 6, 2023 “The Weaponization of Social Media and Real World Consequences,” by Dave Davies, National Public Radio, October 9, 2018 “Conservative social networks like Gettr and Parler keep making the same mistake,” by Casey Newton, The Verge, Jul 6, 2021 “Tucker Carlson's show on Twitter makes ad deal with anti-ESG shopping app” by Brian Schwartz, CNBC, July 16, 2023 “Taylor Swift Gets Political On Social Media As Nashville Elections Start,” by Aimée Lutkin, Elle, July 15, 2023 “Despite cries of censorship, conservatives dominate social media,” by Mark Scott, POLITICO, Oct. 26, 2020 “Robin Sloan's 'Sourdough' Is a Fascinating Riddle” by Andy Newman, The Atlantic, Dec. 5, 2017 “Book Armageddon is a Myth: Interview with Robin Sloan” by Lex Berko, Vice, April 10, 2013 “More than eight-in-ten Americans get news from digital devices” Jan. 2021 Study by Elisa Shearer, Pew Research Center, Jan. 12, 2021 “Conservative Social Media— A New Norm?” by Kayla Morrison, Brown Political Review, Dec. 3, 2022 “Robin Sloan: Describing the emotions of life online,” by Josh Kramer, New Public, Mar. 13, 2022 “Computer Stories: A.I. Is Beginning to Assist Novelists—Robin Sloan” by David Streitfeld, The New York Times, Oct. 18, 2018 “The Infinite Deaths of Social Media” by Jason Parham, WIRED, May 4, 2022 “Social media is doomed to die” by Ellis Hamburger, The Verge, April 18, 2023 “The Future of Social Media Is a Lot Less Social” by Brian X. Chen, The New York Times, April 19, 2023 “Delhi Man Creates Device Which Allows You To Order Pizza With Your Mind,” by Anoushka Sharma, NDTV, July 21, 2023 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Poet Jaswinder Bolina joins co-host Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about how the Supreme Court’s decision to outlaw the consideration of race in college admissions will affect MFA programs. The group reflects on why diversity is a crucial part of any writer’s education and the risk that this decision will change writing programs for the worse. Comparing the MFA admissions processes for their respective institutions, the three also discuss how everything from scholarships to the workshop environment may be affected, and Bolina speaks about the importance of diverse faculties. He reads from his essay “American, Indian” and Ganeshananthan reads a section of Supreme Court Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson’s dissent—both examples of how it is impossible to think about American writing, or American history, without considering race.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Cheri Brisendine and Anne Kniggendorf.Jaswinder Bolina English as a Second Language and Other Poems (forthcoming October 2023) 44th of July Phantom Camera Carrier Waves The Tallest Building in America “American, Indian” - The Paris Review Others: Supreme Court Rejects Affirmative Action at Harvard and UNC - The New York Times 20-1199 Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College “Creativity And Diversity: How Exposure To Different People Affects Our Thinking” by Shankar Vedantam, Jennifer Schmidt, Parth Shah, Tara Boyle, NPR Quiz Show directed by Robert Redford SCOTUS affirmative action ruling: Harvard and UNC students, alums react Here's what happened when affirmative action ended at California public colleges by Emma Bowman, NPR Michigan's ban on affirmative action upheld by Supreme Court | CNN 20-1199 Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College (06/29/2023) Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs a bill banning DEI initiatives in public colleges : NPR by Jaclyn Diaz James Tate Column: On affirmative action, Justice Jackson blasts her colleagues' 'let-them-eat-cake obliviousness' Affirmative action in college admissions and why military academies were exempted by the Supreme Court - CBS News by Caitlin Yilek and Kathryn Watson What Counts as Discrimination on a College Campus? By Kelly Field, The Chronicle of Higher Education Pulp Fiction directed by Quentin Tarantino Jhumpa Lahiri Ernest Hemingway Zadie Smith Read the full text of the dissents in the Supreme Court's affirmative action ruling by Sotomayor and Jackson - CBS News Jim Crow Laws | American Experience | Official Site | PBS  Homestead Act (1862) | National Archives Will Essay Prompts Get Students in After the Affirmative Action Ruling? By Scott Jaschik Highlights of the Affirmative Action Opinions and Dissents by Charlie Savage, New York Times Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Novelist and nonfiction writer Beth Nguyen joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about her new memoir, Owner of a Lonely Heart, which is about her separation from and connection to her mother. Nguyen explains how when she came to the U.S. as a refugee, her mother was left behind in Vietnam. She discusses how returning to scenes depicted in her previous memoir, Stealing Buddha’s Dinner, prompted her to reassess and revise her memories of her mother, including their eventual reunion. She also reflects on how becoming a parent herself has shifted her perspectives. She reads from Owner of a Lonely Heart, speaks about the rise in anti-Asian racism, and, finally, turns to the intersection between poetry and nonfiction.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Rachel Layton and Anne Kniggendorf.Beth Nguyen Owner of a Lonely Heart Stealing Buddha’s Dinner Pioneer Girl Short Girls: A Novel Others: Phillip Lopate “Tracing a tragedy: How hundreds of migrants drowned on Greece’s watch,” The Washington Post “Missing Titanic Submersible ‘Catastrophic Implosion’ Likely Killed 5 Aboard Submersible,” The New York Times “Trump Defends Using ‘Chinese Virus’ Label, Ignoring Growing Criticism,” The New York Times, March 18, 2020 “How violence against Asian Americans has grown and how to stop it, according to activists,” by Frances Kai-Hwa Wang, April 11, 2022, PBS NewsHour Asian American Month Miss Saigon by Claude-Michel Shöenberg and Alain Boublil The Phantom of the Opera by Andrew Lloyd Webber Platoon, directed by Oliver Stone Full Metal Jacket, directed by Stanley Kubrick The Age of Innocence by Edith Wharton “America Ruined My Name For Me: So I Chose A New One” by Beth Nguyen, The New Yorker  Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 2, Episode 7: Bich Minh Nguyen on the Refugee Experience of Holiday Narratives Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Editor and literary critic Oscar Villalon joins V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to celebrate the life and legacy of the novelist Cormac McCarthy, who died last month. The hosts and Villalon reflect on McCarthy’s vast vocabulary and cinematic descriptions, in which he juxtaposed lyrical prose with graphic violence. Villalon considers McCarthy’s use of regionally accurate Spanish in the Border Trilogy as evidence of the author’s broad understanding of the U.S.’s multilingual diversity. Villalon also reads and discusses a passage from McCarthy’s 1994 novel The Crossing, the second book in the trilogy.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf and Todd Loughran.Oscar Villalon ZYZZYVA LitHub “Barbarians at the Wall,” by Oscar Villalon, from Virginia Quarterly Review Oscar Villalon (@ovillalon) · Twitter Cormac McCarthy The Orchard Keeper (1965) Outer Dark (1968) Child of God (1974) Suttree (1979) Blood Meridian, Or the Evening Redness in the West (1985) All the Pretty Horses (1992) The Crossing (1994) Cities of the Plain (1998) No Country for Old Men (2005) The Road (2006) The Passenger (2022) Stella Maris (2022) Others: “Cormac McCarthy, Novelist of a Darker America, Is Dead at 89,” by Dwight Garner, The New York Times “Cormac McCarthy Had a Remarkable Literary Career. It Could Never Happen Now,” by Dan Sinykin, The New York Times “Albert R. Erskine, 81, an Editor For Faulkner and Other Authors,” by Bruce Lambert, The New York Times Paul Yamazaki on Fifty Years of Bookselling at City Lights, by Mitchell Kaplan, Literary Hub “Crossing the Blood Meridian: Cormac McCarthy and American History,” by Bennett Parten, Los Angeles Review of Books Oprah's Exclusive Interview with Cormac McCarthy - Video - June 1, 2008 Oprah on Cormac McCarthy’s Life In Books Oprah’s Book Club William Faulkner Cormac McCarthy, MacArthur Foundation Grant City Lights Booksellers and Publishers The Crystal Frontier by Carlos Fuentes Roberto Bolaño Larry McMurtry King James Version of the Bible/Old Testament/Apostle Paul Saul Bellow Ernest Hemingway Caroline Casey Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 7: What Was It Like to Care About Books 20 Years Ago? Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 24: Oscar Villalon and Arthur Phillips on Getting That Big, Fat Writer’s Advance Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, Episode 10: ‘How on Earth Do You Judge Books?’: Susan Choi and Oscar Villalon on the Real Story Behind Literary Awards Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Novelist Jean Kwok joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss recent changes to child labor laws in the U.S., as more than 10 states have proposed or enacted legislation that would loosen restrictions on minors working. The three talk about what the shift means in relation to labor shortages and consider migrant children’s unique vulnerability to exploitation. Kwok describes working in a New York factory from kindergarten through high school and how that experience continues to affect her life. She also reads from her novel Girl in Translation, which is based on her years as a child worker.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Jean Kwok The Leftover Woman Searching for Sylvie Lee Mambo in Chinatown Girl in Translation Others: Adrian Dickey ‘Dumb and dangerous’: US sees surge in efforts to weaken child labor regulations, by Michael Sainato, The Guardian “Iowa Governor Signs Law to Loosen Child Labor Regulations” by Katarina Sostaric, Iowa Public Radio “Iowa Senate Republicans Pass Bill to Relax Some Child Labor Laws” by Katarina Sostaric, Iowa Public Radio ‘It’s just crazy’: Republicans attack US child labor laws as violations rise” by Michael Sainato, The Guardian “Alone and Exploited, Migrant Children Work Brutal Jobs Across the U.S.” by Hannah Dreier, The New York Times. “Republicans and Democrats have different top priorities for U.S. immigration policy” by J. Baxter Oliphant and Andy Cerda, Pew Research Center “House G.O.P., Divided Over Immigration, Advances Border Crackdown Plan,” by Karoun Demirjian, The New York Times “Jean Kwok, Author of Girl in Translation” by Jen Chung, The Gothamist “Children as young as 12 work legally on farms, despite years of efforts to change law” by Andrea Hsu, NPR ‘We give our blood so they live comfortably’: Sri Lanka’s tea pickers say they go hungry and live in squalor,” by Jeevan Ravindran, The Guardian “Meet the urban sharecroppers,” by Tanis Taylor, The Guardian China’s One-Child Policy - The New York Times Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Novelist Jacinda Townsend joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss Joe Biden’s stubbornly low poll numbers among Democrats, which persist despite his legislative accomplishments. Townsend talks about the administration’s struggles to communicate its goals and achievements and explains why Biden’s policy decisions—past and present—have often disappointed Black and younger voters. Townsend reads from her novel Mother Country and reflects on the aftermath of the Biden administration’s plan to forgive student debt.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Jacinda Townsend Saint Monkey Mother Country “Why More Single Women Should Run for Office” Others: Affordable Care Act “Did William Henry Harrison Really Die From Pneumonia?” by Christopher Klein Bernie Sanders 2020 presidential campaign “SOTU: Joe Biden’s Economy By the Numbers” by Tim Smart “Biden-⁠Harris Administration Announces New Clean Energy Projects” “President Biden Announces Student Loan Relief for Borrowers Who Need It Most” “President Biden to Sign Executive Order Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services” “Biden picks Ketanji Brown Jackson as historic U.S. Supreme Court nominee” by Jeff Mason, Jarrett Renshaw, and Lawrence Hurley Harvard CAPS Harris Poll  “Former President Donald Trump's second indictment, annotated” by Zachary B. Wolf and Curt Merrill Biden’s Numbers, January 2023 Update Biden-Harris Administration Launches First CHIPS for America Funding Opportunity Inflation Reduction Act Guidebook “Biden signs bipartisan bill that suspends debt limit until 2025, cuts spending” by Chris Megerian Biden-Harris Administration Announces $502 Million for High-Speed Internet in Rural Communities “Network Free K.C.” by Whitney Terrell “Biden Administration Announces Savings on 43 Prescription Drugs as Part of Cost-Saving Measures Under President Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act”  “Biden Supported A Constitutional Amendment To End Mandated Busing In 1975” by Domenico Montanaro “Did Joe Biden Say He Didn't Want His Kids Growing Up in a 'Racial Jungle'?” by Bethania Palma Jesse Helms “Did the 1994 crime bill cause mass incarceration?” by Rashawn Ray and William A. Galston “New Process to Discharge Student Loans in Bankruptcy” by John Rao “Student Loan Debt by Gender” by Melanie Hanson Reaganomics Jimmy Carter “Biden Job Approval, Direction Of Country: IBD/TIPP Poll” “Joe Biden’s 1975 comments slamming slavery reparations, school busing resurfaced by Washington Post” by Jessica Chasmar  “Young Voters Not Excited About Joe Biden” by Lauren Camera Chris Christie Ron DeSantis Mike Pence “It took 15 rounds of voting, but Ann Arbor School Board finally picks president” by Martin Slagter Moms of Liberty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Novelist Matt Quirk joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss what makes the White House such a popular place to set stories—including scenes in his newest thriller, Inside Threat, as well as a previous book, The Night Agent, which is now a hit Netflix series. Quirk suggests that the White House is a unique space where the domestic sphere intersects with the seat of world power. He examines the idea that readers desire a “classic president” character, particularly in times when the real commander in chief falls short. He also reads from Inside Threat and reflects on shifting settings from the White House to Raven Rock, a real-life government doomsday bunker. Finally, he talks about what it’s been like to see The Night Agent adapted for the screen.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Matthew Quirk Inside Threat Red Warning  Hour of the Assassin The 500 The Directive Cold Barrel Zero Dead Man Switch The Night Agent Others: How Shawn Ryan Adapted 'The Night Agent' from the Page to the Screen By Jean Bentley The West Wing White House Down  Olympus Has Fallen  Murder at 1600 Scandal Seven Days in May Commander in Chief The American President  Max 2: White House Hero William Faulkner King Kong James Bond Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 3 Episode 9: “All the President’s Henchmen: Susan Choi and Garrett Graff on the Citizens of the Swamp” Raven Rock by Garrett Graff Agatha Christie Die Hard The Pelican Brief by John Grisham Law & Order “More secret service agents expected to lose jobs over Colombia scandal” “Secret Service agents sent home after one found passed out in Amsterdam” by Evan Perez “Reports: Secret Service agent on Pence detail consorted with prostitute” By Melanie Eversley Clint Eastwood Air Force One First Daughter Chasing Liberty Curtis Sittenfeld Ellen Emerson White Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Writer Matt Bell joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the eerily familiar run-up to the 2024 presidential race, as well as his latest novel, Appleseed. Referencing his recent craft book, Refuse to Be Done, Bell talks about how literature frequently uses repetition and non-linear chronology to mimic the experience of trauma. He also explains how expanding Appleseed’s timeline helped him to consider the possibility of redemption after disaster.To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.Matt Bell Appleseed Refuse to Be Done A Tree or a Person or a Wall Scrapper In the House Upon the Dirt Between the Lake and the Woods Others: The Dark Tower by Stephen King Where Men Win Glory by Jon Krakauer Losing Music by John Cotter Time’s Arrow by Martin Amis Catch-22 by Joseph Heller Beloved by Toni Morrison The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas by Ursula Le Guin The Monster at the End of This Book by Jon Stone and Michael Smolli “Rhyming Action” by Charles Baxter Hyperobjects by Timothy Morton The Unsettling of America by Wendell Berry Eleutheria by Allegra Hyde The Great Transition by Nick Fuller Googins Trump Town Hall Shows His Second-Term Plan: Shattering Even More Norms - The New York Times Pod Save America | Crooked Media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices