Second City Works presents "Getting to Yes, And"

Kelly talks to Muriel Wilkins, host of the award-winning Harvard Business Review podcast, Coaching Real Leaders. Her latest book is called “Leadership Unblocked: Break Through the Beliefs That Limit Your Potential.”  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7781617/7781617_2025-10-27-031317.64kmono.mp3 “Lasting change comes from within.”  “I want to be clear that coaching is not a substitute for therapy.”  “Our reluctance to engage in self-reflection is often also rooted in fear.” 

Anne Libera, Director of Comedy Studies at The Second City, shares insights from her new book, 'Funnier.' She emphasizes the importance of analyzing comedy for growth and the idea that comedy is a craft that can be taught. Libera defines five key components of comedy and discusses the universal appeal of character-driven humor. She also highlights the ethics of comedy and the need for comedians to develop their unique voice while considering audience sensitivity. Plus, her personal journey of humor amid family hardship adds a heartfelt touch.

Kelly welcomes Richard Thaler, the 2017 recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, to the podcast along with his co-author, Professor Alex Imas, to talk about their updated version of Thaler’s seminal book “The Winner’s Curse.” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7776933/7776933_2025-10-23-033133.64kmono.mp3 “Rationality is an assumption in economics, not a demonstrated fact.”  “People are not thinking enough about what everyone else is thinking.”  “Roughly speaking, losses hurt us about twice as much as gains.” Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Muriel Wilkins – ‘Leadership Unblocked’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Anne Libera – ‘Funnier: Live from The Second City’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Richard Thaler and Alex Imas – ‘The Winner’s Curse’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | Tomas Chamorro Premuzic – ‘Don’t Be Yourself’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Toby Stuart – ‘Social Status and Making Stars’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly welcomes the always provocative Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic back to the podcast to talk about his new book: “Don’t Be Yourself: Why Authenticity is Overrated (and What to Do Instead).” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7769841/7769841_2025-10-20-020541.64kmono.mp3 “By all means, keep it real – just don’t make everyone else suffer for it.” “Everybody loves change until they have to do it themselves.”  “Most of us inhabit multiple selves.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Muriel Wilkins – ‘Leadership Unblocked’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Anne Libera – ‘Funnier: Live from The Second City’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Richard Thaler and Alex Imas – ‘The Winner’s Curse’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | Tomas Chamorro Premuzic – ‘Don’t Be Yourself’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Toby Stuart – ‘Social Status and Making Stars’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly connects with Berkely Professor Toby Stuart to discuss his fascinating new book, “Annointed: The Extraordinary Effects of Social Status in a Winner-Take-Most World.”  https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7759652/7759652_2025-10-14-150352.64kmono.mp3 “Many of us resent where we sit in the food chain.”  “Status begets status.”  “Luck is enshrined in social hierarchies.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Muriel Wilkins – ‘Leadership Unblocked’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Anne Libera – ‘Funnier: Live from The Second City’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Richard Thaler and Alex Imas – ‘The Winner’s Curse’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | Tomas Chamorro Premuzic – ‘Don’t Be Yourself’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Toby Stuart – ‘Social Status and Making Stars’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly welcomes the always-inspiring Morgan Housel back to the podcast to discuss his new book, “The Art of Spending Money: Simple Choices for a Richer Life.” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7746225/7746225_2025-10-06-141525.64kmono.mp3 “All behavior makes sense with enough information.” “Be careful judging how other people spend their money.”  “The best measure of wealth is what you have minus what you want.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Muriel Wilkins – ‘Leadership Unblocked’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Anne Libera – ‘Funnier: Live from The Second City’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Richard Thaler and Alex Imas – ‘The Winner’s Curse’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | Tomas Chamorro Premuzic – ‘Don’t Be Yourself’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Toby Stuart – ‘Social Status and Making Stars’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Colin Fisher, an Associate Professor at University College London, shares insights from his book, *The Collective Edge*. He discusses how categorizing people limits relationships and collaboration, echoing themes from the Harry Potter sorting hat. Fisher emphasizes the importance of building trust through task-focused collaboration rather than mere exercises. He critiques both traditional leadership structures and individualism, advocating for shared leadership and open communication to enhance group effectiveness. His research underscores how social sensitivity plays a crucial role in team success.

Maryellen MacDonald, Donald P. Hayes Professor Emerita of Psychology at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, dives into the intriguing world of psycholinguistics. She explains how talking sharpens our cognition and the unique flexibility of human language compared to animal calls. Exploring the power of self-talk, MacDonald highlights its role in focus and motivation. She also emphasizes active learning's importance and how children's interactions shape their development, challenging the notion that language change should be resisted. A captivating look at the science of conversation!

Kelly talks to Martin Dubin, a clinical psychologist, serial entrepreneur, business coach, and adviser to C-suite executives and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, about his new book: “Blindspotting: How to See What’s Holding You Back as a Leader.” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7711876/7711876_2025-09-16-023416.64kmono.mp3 “Things go well until they don’t.”  “We are not as self-aware as we believe.”  “Your identity is the least fixed part of you.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Muriel Wilkins – ‘Leadership Unblocked’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Anne Libera – ‘Funnier: Live from The Second City’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Richard Thaler and Alex Imas – ‘The Winner’s Curse’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | Tomas Chamorro Premuzic – ‘Don’t Be Yourself’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Toby Stuart – ‘Social Status and Making Stars’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more

Kelly talks to educator Maya Smart about her new book “Reading for Our Lives: The Urgency of Early Literacy and the Action Plan to Help Your Child.” https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7700601/7700601_2025-09-09-031401.64kmono.mp3 “Alarms ring; they don’t teach. And often when an alarm rings for too long, we tune it out.”  “Spoken words are the precursor of all precursors to reading.”  “Praise the process.”  Recent Posts Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And” Muriel Wilkins – ‘Leadership Unblocked’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Anne Libera – ‘Funnier: Live from The Second City’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Richard Thaler and Alex Imas – ‘The Winner’s Curse’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Getting to Yes, And… | Tomas Chamorro Premuzic – ‘Don’t Be Yourself’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Toby Stuart – ‘Social Status and Making Stars’ .cls-7{fill:#fff;fill-rule:evenodd} Click for more