
Second City Works presents "Getting to Yes, And"
Second City Works presents "Getting to Yes, And" on WGN Plus from WGN Radio in Chicago.
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Feb 18, 2025 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Charles Piller – ‘Doctored’
Kelly goes behind the scenes of Alzheimer’s research with science writer Charles Piller whose new book is called “Doctored: Fraud, Arrogance, and Tragedy in the Quest to Cure Alzheimer’s.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7286575/charles_Piller_2025-02-18-161415.64kmono.mp3
“Disproving someone else’s experiment can be a death wish in science.”
“Most academic bio-scientists depend on the National Institute of Health to keep the lights on.”
“Eleven of sixteen FDA medical examiners who worked on twenty-eight drug approvals left the agency to become employees or consultants for the companies they recently regulated.”
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Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And”
Scott Barry Kaufman – ‘Rise Above and the Victim Mindset’
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Raffi Grinberg – ‘How to Be a Grownup’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Abby Davisson – ‘Money and Love’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Wes Adams & Tamara Myles – ‘Meaningful Work’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Jenny Wood – ‘Wild Courage’
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Feb 14, 2025 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Eli Finkel and Paul Eastwick – ‘The Love Factually Podcast’
Kelly hosts a special Valentine’s Day Bonus Pod with professors Eli Finkel and Paul Eastwick who host the “Love Factually” podcast. Eli and Paul are relationship scientists at Northwestern and The University of California, Davis. Their podcast looks at a modern romantic comedy each week through the lens of the science of relationships.
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7282392/Eli_Finkel_and_Paul_Eastwick_2025-02-14-045832.64kmono.mp3
“Relationship outcomes depend not only on the specific qualities of each partner but also on the unique patterns that emerge when the partners’ qualities intersect.”
“There isn’t just one true and proper way to love, to relate, to bond, to touch.”
“Motivated reasoning is a cognitive process where people use reason to support their existing beliefs or desires and lay at the heart of ‘When Harry Met Sally.’”
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The Chicago Way with John Kass
Kass: A time for family
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Kass: Where did we go wrong on education?
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Kass: Street takeovers, tariffs, and judges on the loose
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Kass: Anatomy of conspiracy
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Kass: Mayor Brandon ‘Harold Washington’ Johnson
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Feb 11, 2025 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Dr. Steven J. Heine – ‘Start Making Sense’
Kelly connects with Dr. Steven J. Heine, Professor of Social and Cultural Psychology at the University of British Columbia. They discuss his new book, “Start Making Sense: How Existential Psychology Can Help Build Meaningful Lives in Absurd Times.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7275982/Dr_Steven_J_Heine_-_Start_Making_Sense_2025-02-11-061822.64kmono.mp3
“The world seems confusing, and people no longer seem to agree on the basic facts of what is happening around them.”
“In many ways our learning is facilitated through stories.”
“We risk a lot if we’re unable to weave all the different threads of our self together.”
Recent Posts
Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And”
Scott Barry Kaufman – ‘Rise Above and the Victim Mindset’
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Raffi Grinberg – ‘How to Be a Grownup’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Abby Davisson – ‘Money and Love’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Wes Adams & Tamara Myles – ‘Meaningful Work’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Jenny Wood – ‘Wild Courage’
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Feb 4, 2025 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Siri Chilazi – ‘Make Work Fair’
Kelly talks about workplace fairness with Harvard’s Siri Chilazi, who co-wrote the book “Make Work Fair: Data-Driven Design for Real Results” with Iris Bohnet.
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7258947/Siri_Chilazi_2025-02-04-163847.64kmono.mp3
“Very few people are against fairness, but we don’t all agree on what it entails.”
“The biggest determinant of remote work is education.”
“Bias from above is complemented by bias from below.”
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Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And”
Scott Barry Kaufman – ‘Rise Above and the Victim Mindset’
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Raffi Grinberg – ‘How to Be a Grownup’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Abby Davisson – ‘Money and Love’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Wes Adams & Tamara Myles – ‘Meaningful Work’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Jenny Wood – ‘Wild Courage’
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Jan 28, 2025 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Kalifa Oliver – ‘I Think I Love My Job’
Kelly converses with Kalifa Oliver, an international experience coach, executive advisor, keynote speaker, author and expert in building brilliant experiences using people-centered design and analytics. Her new book is called, “I Think I Love My Job: Secrets to Designing a People-Centered Employer Value Proposition (That You Can Actually Boast About.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7173459/kalifa_Oliver_2025-01-28-062459.64kmono.mp3
“You simply cannot predict the human experience.”
“Your employees are another set of customers.”
“Culture cannot just be shaped from the top. It starts at the bottom.”
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Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And”
Scott Barry Kaufman – ‘Rise Above and the Victim Mindset’
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Raffi Grinberg – ‘How to Be a Grownup’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Abby Davisson – ‘Money and Love’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Wes Adams & Tamara Myles – ‘Meaningful Work’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Jenny Wood – ‘Wild Courage’
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Jan 21, 2025 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Alison Wood Brooks – ‘TALK: The Science of Conversation and the Art of Being Ourselves’
Kelly connects with Harvard professor Alison Wood Brooks, who studies the science of conversation. Her new book is called “TALK: The Science of Conversation and the Art of Being Ourselves.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7156087/Alison_Wood_Brooks_2025-01-20-003827.64kmono.mp3
“Conversation is an ongoing act of co-creation.”
“We’re all making it up as we go along.”
“People who ask more questions are better liked.”

Jan 16, 2025 • 0sec
Kurt Gray – ‘Outraged’
Kelly sits down with Kurt Gray, a professor in psychology and neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he directs the Deepest Beliefs Lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. He has a new book, “Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7148156/Kurt_Gray_2025-01-14-154556.64kmono.mp3
“It feels like we are at war.”
“It is true: we are safer today than we were at the dawn of humanity. But we don’t feel safer.”
“If other people’s pain is like a whisper on the wind, our own pain is a scream in our ear.”

Jan 14, 2025 • 0sec
Dr. Sunita Sah – ‘Defy: The Power of No in a World That Demands Yes’
Kelly connects with Dr. Sunita Sah, an award-winning professor at Corenell University and an expert in organizational psychology. She is also a trained physician, who practiced medicine in the UK. She has a new book, it’s called “Defy: The Power of No in a World That Demands Yes.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7148144/Dr_Sunita_Sah_2025-01-14-150444.64kmono.mp3
“A True no is a process, not a snap judgment.”
“Defiance first requires that we know our values.”
“Curiosity can be an effective way to approach others, opening pathways to change.”
Recent Posts
Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And”
Scott Barry Kaufman – ‘Rise Above and the Victim Mindset’
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Raffi Grinberg – ‘How to Be a Grownup’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Abby Davisson – ‘Money and Love’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Wes Adams & Tamara Myles – ‘Meaningful Work’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Jenny Wood – ‘Wild Courage’
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Jan 7, 2025 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Michael Chad Hoeppner – ‘Don’t Say Um’
Kelly starts the new year talking about effective communication skills with Michael Chad Hoeppner, CEO and founder of GK Training. He teaches his unique approach to communications at Columbia University Business School in the PhD and MBA programs and coaches the faculty. He has a new book, “Don’t Say Um: How to Communicate Effectively to Live a Better Life.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7136742/7136742_2025-01-06-172642.64kmono.mp3
“Speaking is not a sidecar to being human.”
“Great communication is you, when you are at your most other-focused.”
“Speaking is actually closer to an athletic event than a decision-tree flowchart of ideas.”
Recent Posts
Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And”
Scott Barry Kaufman – ‘Rise Above and the Victim Mindset’
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Raffi Grinberg – ‘How to Be a Grownup’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Abby Davisson – ‘Money and Love’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Wes Adams & Tamara Myles – ‘Meaningful Work’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Jenny Wood – ‘Wild Courage’
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Dec 31, 2024 • 0sec
Getting to Yes, And… | Richard Cytowic – ‘Your Stone Age Brain in the Screen Age’
Kelly sits down with Richard Cytowic, MD, Professor of Neurology at George Washington University and the author of “Your Stone Age Brain in the Screen Age.”
https://serve.castfire.com/audio/7117528/7117528_2024-12-18-185628.64kmono.mp3
“Screens act like secondhand smoke.”
“Waldorf Schools may be the best kept secret in education.”
“You cannot rush learning any more than you can accelerate thinking.”
Recent Posts
Second City Works presents “Getting to Yes, And”
Scott Barry Kaufman – ‘Rise Above and the Victim Mindset’
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Raffi Grinberg – ‘How to Be a Grownup’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Abby Davisson – ‘Money and Love’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Wes Adams & Tamara Myles – ‘Meaningful Work’
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Getting to Yes, And… | Jenny Wood – ‘Wild Courage’
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