
"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg
You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.
Latest episodes

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May 31, 2024 • 1h 1min
E61: Noah Smith on Wokeness, Right Wing Muckrakers, and Class vs Identity
Economist and author, Noah Smith, discusses elite overproduction in academia, the rise of right-wing muckrakers, and the challenges of navigating wokeness and political labels with Erik Torenberg in an engaging and thought-provoking conversation.

May 24, 2024 • 20min
E60: AI in the Techno-Economic War with China with Vinod Khosla, Todd Young, and Jacob Helberg
Venture capitalist Vinod Khosla and Senator Todd Young discuss the national security implications of AI in the US-China war, comparing it to the atomic bomb. They debate the need for a new Manhattan Project and the role of open sourcing AI technology. Topics include modern warfare, global engineering solutions, and navigating the AI supply chain.

May 17, 2024 • 1h 7min
E59: Bryan Caplan on Housing Regulation, Fertility, and Crime
Bryan Caplan, expert in political economy, discusses housing regulation, fertility, and crime in this engaging podcast. They explore the benefits of housing deregulation, the impact on fertility rates, and the interplay of political influences. Caplan also delves into the efficacy of harsh punishments in crime prevention and the biases surrounding market and government actions.

May 11, 2024 • 55min
E58: Jonathan Haidt on Finally Fixing Social Media and Picking All the Cherries
Jonathan Haidt discusses the impact of social media on teen mental health, culture, politics, and education. They explore the effects of smartphones, algorithms on social media dynamics, liberal struggles, political centrism, and the influence of social media on younger generations.

May 3, 2024 • 59min
E57: Noah Smith Analyzes Economies: USA, China, Japan, Russia, India, Korea, & More
Noah Smith, an economic analyst, breaks down the economies of USA, China, Japan, Russia, India, Korea, and more. Topics include healthcare spending, economic growth strategies, China's demographic challenges, Japan-China-Korea comparisons, and economic landscapes of various Asian countries.

Apr 26, 2024 • 1h 23min
E56: Brian Chau on Spreading Informed AI Optimism
Machine learning engineer Brian Chau and Nathan Labenz discuss AI policy based on informed optimism. Topics include AI landscape, global engineering talent, risks to humanity, AI policy uncertainties, and transitioning from knowledge to action in biosecurity.

Apr 19, 2024 • 51min
E55: Why China's Universities Will Become Harvard
Samo Burja, an expert on China's universities, explores the future of China's elites with Erik. They discuss the role of universities in shaping leadership, student activism in China and the US, societal inequalities, elite education comparisons, and the shifting talent trends towards China.

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Apr 12, 2024 • 1h 4min
E54: Naval Ravikant and Balaji Srinivasan on Why History Points to Crypto
Naval Ravikant, co-founder of AngelList and a tech-savvy entrepreneur, teams up with Balaji Srinivasan, former CTO of Coinbase and a cryptocurrency visionary. They delve into the rich history of money and the perils of centralized power, advocating for blockchain's potential to reshape industries. personal journeys into crypto are fascinating, revealing how outdated regulations spurred their interest. The duo discusses cryptocurrency's transformative power and its promise to democratize investing, especially in crisis-stricken regions, while envisioning a more connected future.

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Apr 5, 2024 • 1h 11min
E53: Nathan Labenz and Noah Smith on What AI Actually Means for the Economy
Nathan Labenz and Noah Smith discuss AI's impact on job markets, government roles, and the social contract. They explore comparative advantage, human wages in an AI-dominated economy, and the need for positive visions in the age of abundance.

Mar 29, 2024 • 1h 51min
E52: David Friedman on Anarcho-Capitalism, Utilitarianism, and Inequality
Economist David Friedman discusses anarcho-capitalism, utilitarianism, privatization, global coordination, privatizing military, decentralized systems, justice, equality, and internet privacy in a thought-provoking conversation.