"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg
E52: David Friedman on Anarcho-Capitalism, Utilitarianism, and Inequality
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Quick takeaways
- Decentralized systems leverage individual knowledge effectively, offering advantages over centralized systems.
- Privacy is crucial against superior forces like governments, highlighting concerns over surveillance capitalism.
- Market-based legal systems emphasize efficient punishments but raise concerns over profit incentives and humane treatment.
- Centralized systems offer economies of scale, but decentralized coordination often outperforms due to dispersed knowledge and preferences.
Deep dives
Decentralization vs. Centralized Control
Decentralized systems are often more effective due to their ability to leverage individual knowledge and preferences. Economies of scale exist, but centralized systems can struggle to efficiently process the vast amount of dispersed information and preferences present in society.
Privacy Concerns and Surveillance Capitalism
Privacy is crucial as a defense against adversaries, especially those with superior force, such as governments. Surveillance capitalism raises concerns about the accumulation and potential misuse of personal data. The ability of companies like Amazon to make informed guesses about consumer preferences is valuable, but the protection of privacy remains important.
Punishment in a Market for Law
In a market-based legal system, the outcomes for criminals would depend on the rules and norms established through competition. Efficient punishments, like fines that transfer benefits to others or restitution for harm caused, can be advantageous. However, concerns about incentivizing punishment for profit and the balance between efficient and humane forms of punishment need consideration.
Role of Governments and Efficiency
Centralized systems can offer economies of scale, but decentralized coordination often outperforms due to the dispersed nature of knowledge and preferences in society. The size of centralized entities like firms is influenced by transaction costs and efficiency trade-offs related to central control. Governments should focus on tasks where centralized coordination is truly beneficial, balancing economic efficiency and decentralized decision-making.
Restorative Justice and Tort Law Principles
Discussing the concept of restorative justice and tort law, the episode delves into the idea of making amends for losses suffered by individuals. It touches upon the theoretical rule in tort law, emphasizing the principle of compensating for the losses incurred by another person. Moreover, the episode highlights the challenge of determining entitlements and defining baselines in such contexts.
Challenges in Addressing Externalities
Exploring the complexities of externalities, the episode discusses how real-world examples often involve costs from actions affecting multiple individuals beyond mere cost imposition on a single party. It distinguishes between standard cost imposition theories and the nuanced effects of externalities, highlighting cases like airplane noises and land use affecting noise perception.
Equitable Legal and Social Systems
Considering legal systems vastly different from traditional frameworks, the podcast examines unique structures such as those seen in saga-period Iceland and 18th-century England. It underscores the importance of understanding unconventional legal systems and their implications for society, encouraging deeper exploration of diverse legal principles.
Prospects of Anarcho-Capitalism
Delving into the concept of anarcho-capitalism, the episode envisions a society based on individual liberty and voluntary interactions without a centralized government. It explores the theoretical underpinnings of a market-oriented legal and governance system, advocating for decentralized approaches and competitive frameworks for societal organization.
This week on Upstream, Erik is joined by David Friedman for a deep dive on anarcho-capitalism, utilitarianism, and more. To get Brave: Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(00:46) The Friedman Family's Intellectual Lineage
(03:18) Market Failures and Government Intervention
(06:11) Privatizating Everything
(09:33) The Mechanics of Anarcho-Capitalism
(12:47) Why David Isn't a Utilitarianism
(16:33) Midroll: Brave | Turpentine
(18:19) David's Moral Framework
(23:36) Is Global Coordination Possible?
(30:46) Privatizing Military and National Defense
(32:54) Addressing Poverty in an Anarcho-Capitalist World
(35:40) Competitive Dictatorship
(40:54) Historical Precedents for Private Law
(42:31) The Inefficiency of Governments
(44:06) Coordination under Decentralization vs Centralization & Surveillance Capitalism
(55:07) Law & Punishment under Anarcho-Capitalism
(58:28) The Problems with Restorative Justice
(01:07:31) Addressing Common Criticisms of Market Systems
(01:14:41) Exploring the Moral Case for Economic Growth
(01:16:26) Existential Risks from Global Warming, AI, Nanotech, and Biotech
(01:18:49) The Market's Short-Term vs. Long-Term Dilemma
(01:20:13) Utilitarian Thought Experiment
(01:22:03) Income Sharing Agreements
(01:26:20) Equality of Opportunity vs. Outcome
(01:30:15) Why Do We Care about Equality?
(01:47:40) Anarcho-Capitalism and Crypto
(01:51:04) David's Legacy
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LINKS:
David's Website: http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
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Editor: Eul Jose Lacierda
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