
"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg
You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.
Latest episodes

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Sep 28, 2024 • 1h 21min
E81: Status, Sacred, and Neglected Truths with Robin Hanson
Robin Hanson, an economist and futurist renowned for his work on prediction markets, dives into the intricacies of human behavior. He discusses the concepts of status and self-deception, advocating for reforming academia with innovative betting markets to prioritize genuine contributions. The conversation also touches on the cultural shifts affecting fertility and marriage trends amidst rising women's income, and the impact of societal norms on innovation and knowledge acquisition. Hanson challenges listeners to confront their hidden motives and explore neglected ideas.

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Sep 26, 2024 • 51min
E80: Financial Plumbing with Patrick McKenzie and Erik Torenberg
In this discussion, Patrick McKenzie, a financial expert, delves into the intricate world of banking and money laundering alongside host Erik Torenberg. They explore the three stages of money laundering—placement, layering, and integration—and how banks are often unintentionally ensnared in criminal activities while adhering to stringent regulations. The conversation also critiques the unintended consequences of these regulations on economic growth and financial inclusion, revealing a complex interplay between compliance and entrepreneurship.

Sep 21, 2024 • 57min
E79: How Civilizations Cycle & Collapse | Samo Burja and Rudyard Lynch
Samo Burja, a political analyst and founder of Bismarck Analysis, joins Rudyard Lynch, a historical content creator from the What If Althist YouTube channel, for a fascinating discussion. They delve into the cyclical nature of civilizations, comparing ancient societies like Babylon to modern ones like Silicon Valley. The conversation explores the impact of Abrahamic religions on societal hierarchies and the historical roots of feminism. They also reveal how debt and cultural loss contribute to the rise and fall of civilizations, drawing intriguing parallels to today.

Sep 19, 2024 • 1h 6min
E78: Fertility, Healthy Humans, and Ending Genetic Disease w/ Noor Siddiqui, CEO of Orchid
In this insightful discussion, Noor Siddiqui, CEO of Orchid, delves into revolutionary advancements in reproductive technology, particularly the first whole genome embryo screening. She highlights the significant journey of improving genomic sequencing accuracy and how these innovations can drastically reduce genetic diseases. Noor addresses the evolving societal views on IVF and reproductive tech, navigating stigmas and ethical concerns while outlining a future where parenting norms may transform. Her passion for making fertility solutions accessible shines through as she shares Orchid's mission.

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Sep 14, 2024 • 58min
E77: Academic Fraud & the Spiritual Quest for Truth | Live Players w/ Samo Burja and Ben Landau-Taylor
Samo Burja, an analyst on societal trends, and Ben Landau-Taylor, a Senior Analyst at Bismarck Analysis, dive into the troubling world of academic fraud. They discuss how flawed peer review processes allow issues like data fabrication in medical research to thrive. The conversation highlights significant cases, including misconduct tied to the amyloid beta hypothesis and a fabricated auto insurance study. They emphasize the necessity for external oversight and the role of investigative journalism in safeguarding scientific integrity, calling for a reevaluation of credibility in academia.

Sep 12, 2024 • 1h 24min
E76: "The CEO is Always Responsible” | This Won’t Last w/ Logan Bartlett, Zach Weinberg, Kevin Ryan, and Keith Rabois
This episode features Logan Bartlett, a venture culture enthusiast, along with Zach Weinberg, Kevin Ryan, and Keith Rabois, all seasoned voices in the startup realm. They dive into Paul Graham’s concept of 'Founder Mode,' debating the dynamics of founder-led versus executive-run companies. The conversation shifts to AI valuations, revealing a gap between expectations and reality in venture funding. They also tackle the complexities of speech regulation in tech through the lens of Telegram's CEO arrest, shedding light on broader implications for free speech and surveillance.

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Sep 7, 2024 • 1h 5min
E75: The Future of AI-Enabled Companies with Omar Shams, CEO of Mutable AI
A fascinating discussion unfolds around the transformative effects of AI on productivity and organizational structures. The speakers delve into the limitations of GDP as a measure of happiness and economic health. They also explore the intricate relationship between AI, politics, and society, pondering the future of work and communication. With historical parallels drawn between past technologies and current advancements, the conversation challenges listeners to think critically about the implications of AI on our lives, values, and economic systems.

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Aug 31, 2024 • 60min
E74: Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei Talks Scaling Laws, AI Arms Races, and Radical Abundance
Dario Amodei, CEO and Co-founder of Anthropic, dives into the intricate world of AI and its economic implications. He shares insights on AI safety, the competitive dynamics between the US and China, and the impacts of generative AI on labor markets. Dario discusses the challenges of scaling AI models and the regulatory landscape necessary to manage potential risks. Additionally, he examines how AI might compress skill differentials and reshape wealth distribution, all while humorously pondering AI's unpredictable priorities.

Aug 23, 2024 • 57min
E73: Brian Armstrong on Crypto in 2024, Politics, and Economic Freedom
Brian Armstrong, the CEO of Coinbase, shares insights on the evolving crypto landscape following the company's public listing. He discusses the crucial balance between product development and regulatory challenges, alongside his venture into biotech with New Limit. Armstrong highlights how cryptocurrency could reshape governance and promote economic freedom, revealing initiatives that track crypto's global impact. The conversation also touches on the changing media trust dynamics and the need for authentic communication in today’s digital world.

Aug 16, 2024 • 49min
E72: Eoghan McCabe on San Francisco, Tech Leadership, and Optimistic Media
Eoghan McCabe, leader of Intercom and a Silicon Valley veteran, shares his insights on the intense journey of tech leadership. He reflects on the magnetic allure of San Francisco and its evolving challenges, including political apathy in the tech community. McCabe discusses personal resilience through chronic illness, demonstrating how introspection can transform company culture. He champions a revitalization of tech media, calling for more optimistic narratives that celebrate young innovators and their impact on society.