
"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg
You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.
Latest episodes

Dec 7, 2024 • 1h 14min
E101: Wokeism & Class w/ David Sacks, Trump’s AI Czar [Upstream Archive]
David Sacks, an entrepreneur and investor known for his work at PayPal and his role as Trump’s AI czar, dives into the shifting landscape of Silicon Valley's political culture. He discusses the troubling rise of censorship and wokeism, particularly its implications for free speech. The dialogue uncovers the widening class divide influenced by these ideologies and evaluates how powerful entities manipulate discourse to maintain control. Sacks also critiques the monopolistic practices in tech and emphasizes the need for accountability in corporate leadership.

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Dec 3, 2024 • 1h 52min
E100: Marc Andreessen: How 2016 Broke My Mental Model of the World
Marc Andreessen, co-founder of Netscape and Andreessen Horowitz, dives into his changing worldview post-2016, discussing how political shifts shaped societal perceptions. He explores the impact of Trump's election, critiques the disconnect of elite decision-makers, and examines the clash between nationalism and globalism. Andreessen highlights the complex implications of good intentions in policy-making and critiques education reform's promises versus outcomes, all while navigating Nietzsche's moral philosophies and the evolution of capitalism.

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Nov 30, 2024 • 58min
E99: This Era’s Inflection Points with Byrne Hobart | DOGE, Elon, OpenAI
In this discussion, Byrne Hobart, an investor and writer known for his astute economic insights, delves into intriguing topics like the implications of leaked OpenAI emails and the future of government efficiency. He explores the dynamics between tech leaders Elon Musk and Sam Altman, the speculative nature of the tech industry, and the potential of prediction markets. Additionally, he addresses the economic repercussions of tariffs and tax policies under Trump while considering how selection effects influence perceptions of success and the evolving media landscape.

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Nov 28, 2024 • 55min
E98: Solving America’s Problems with Joe Lonsdale
Joe Lonsdale, co-founder of Palantir and founder of the Cicero Institute, shares his vision for tackling America's pressing issues. He discusses the need for accountability and innovative solutions in healthcare, education, and homelessness. Lonsdale critiques government unions and emphasizes local reforms over federal policies to drive meaningful change. He advocates for a data-driven approach to prison reform and envisions a future where technology and effective leadership foster resilience in overcoming social challenges.

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Nov 23, 2024 • 1h 11min
E97: Combining Biology and AI w/ Michael Levin and Dr. Leo Pio Lopez
In this discussion, Michael Levin, a Tufts Biology Professor, and Dr. Leo Pio Lopez, a staff scientist, delve into the fascinating intersection of biology and AI. They reveal how advanced AI techniques can unify biological datasets, predicting links between neurotransmitters and diseases like melanoma. The duo explores ethical implications of AI in enhancing human capabilities and optimizing drug development. They also touch on how machine learning can deepen our understanding of cancer dynamics and the need for proper standards in biological data.

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Nov 21, 2024 • 58min
E96: Rudyard Lynch and Samo Burja Talk The Left’s Future and Problems with Modernity
Rudyard Lynch, creator of WhatIfAltHist, and Samo Burja, leader of Bismarck Analysis, dive into pressing global issues. They dissect the decline of French influence in Africa and its implications. The duo also explores the evolving left's disconnection after the U.S. election and the importance of free speech in revitalizing public discourse. They touch upon modern complexity in cultural norms and immigration, revealing how societal perceptions shape identities. Furthermore, they tackle the intricate relationship between Mexico’s government and cartels, shedding light on elite lifestyles.

Nov 16, 2024 • 53min
E95: Trump’s New Under Secretary of Defense for Research & Engineering on Growing Uber | Emil Michael on Growing Uber | Emil Michael
Emil Michael, former Chief Business Officer at Uber, shares behind-the-scenes stories from Uber's rapid rise and the crisis management challenges they faced, including a major backlash at JFK Airport. He discusses the political pressures on businesses like Uber and Lyft, emphasizing the delicate balance between corporate policies and public sentiment. Emil also reveals insights from strategic meetings with tech giants like Tim Cook, highlighting the complexities of negotiations and the emotional dynamics of trust and betrayal in high-stakes environments.

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Nov 14, 2024 • 1h 12min
E94: Best of: AGI | Dario Amodei / Balaji Srinivasan / Marc Andreessen / Samo Burja / Michael Levin
Dario Amodei, Co-founder and CEO of Anthropic, discusses AI safety and scaling laws, while Marc Andreessen, venture capital powerhouse, dives into the economic implications of AI models. Michael Levin brings insights on the unpredictable paths of AGI development, touching on chaos theory. They explore the commoditization of AI models, group decision-making dynamics, and the philosophical tensions surrounding AI's role in society. The conversation encourages a balanced approach to innovation, blending ambition with caution.

Nov 9, 2024 • 53min
E93: How Trump and Elon Could Rebuild the US Government
Joining Erik Torenberg is Samo Burja, a keen analyst of the global power landscape. They discuss how Trump's victory aligns right-wing politics with tech giants like Elon Musk. The duo examines the evolving political strategies driven by modern media and the shifts in political activism since 2016. They also tackle the challenges of attracting talent from the tech industry for government roles and explore the potential for reforming institutions through innovation. It's a thought-provoking look at the intersection of politics and technology!

Nov 7, 2024 • 1h 38min
E92: Curtis Yarvin’s Pre-Election Advice to Elon Musk
Curtis Yarvin, a political theorist known for his unconventional views on society and media, joins Erik for a thought-provoking discussion. They delve into the ethical complexities of social media management, including the implications of shadow banning. Yarvin emphasizes the need for new institutions to navigate today's societal frameworks. The conversation also touches on creating impactful media projects aimed at elite circles, the pursuit of a 'truth machine' for credibility, and the power dynamics at play within digital platforms.