
"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg
You’ll hear consequential ideas here first, and in the mainstream months later. Upstream is a curated nexus feed from the Turpentine podcast network, bringing you expert-level conversations hosted by some of the most compelling thinkers in the world including Noah Smith, Samo Burja, Byrne Hobart, Erik Torenberg, and Nathan Labenz.
Guests include Marc Andreessen, Balaji Srinivasan, Dario Amodei, Brian Armstrong, David Sacks, Sam Harris, Katherine Boyle, Curtis Yarvin, and many more unmissable conversations.
Latest episodes

Jan 12, 2024 • 1h 6min
E41: Steve Hsu on the Future of Everything
In this episode, Erik talks with Steve Hsu, a theoretical physicist and startup founder. They discuss political polarization in academia, the fertility crisis, AI, and more. They also explore the impact of changing gender roles on fertility rates and the importance of seeking out alternative sources to understand China beyond mainstream news. The changing demographics of different countries and global power dynamics are also discussed.

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Jan 5, 2024 • 1h 20min
E40: Develop Your Personal Investing Strategy with Itay Vinik
Financial expert Itay Vinik discusses investing strategies, debunking myths, and the role of the Federal Reserve in a globalized economy. They explore macroeconomic indicators, alternative asset investment, the history of the US dollar as the global reserve currency, and the debate between passive and active investing. They also dive into long-term real estate investing and strategies, such as the BIR method.

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Dec 29, 2023 • 2h 11min
E39: Balaji Srinivasan and Nathan Labenz on AI's Future, Human-AI Symbiosis, and AI Control
Balaji Srinivasan, an AI and technology expert, joins Nathan Labenz to discuss the future of AI, including polytheistic AI and AI gods, human-AI symbiosis, and how AI will be controlled. They also explore the vulnerabilities of AI systems, the impact of AI on businesses and the economy, and the challenges of AI implementation. Additionally, they touch upon the potential threats and effects of AI on humans and the environment, as well as the shortcomings of the US government in protecting people from AI. Overall, an insightful conversation on the transformative power of AI.

Dec 22, 2023 • 50min
E38: Holiday Special: Request for Startups
In this special episode, the speakers exchange startup ideas, including creating impressive titles for rich kids, leveraging the Benihana name for a brunch event, and the disruption of professional services due to technology. They also discuss nighttime fitness, fast food combinations, struggles and costs of fertility, and investment preferences.

Dec 15, 2023 • 1h 7min
E37: Noor Siddiqui on embryo screening, the fertility crisis, and parenting
Noor Siddiqui, founder and CEO of Orchid, discusses breakthroughs in embryo sequencing, the fertility crisis, parenting, dating, and more. They cover the optimization of whole genome sequencing, changing stigmas around reproductive technology, a matchmaking platform, and the impact of childhood experiences on success.

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Dec 8, 2023 • 1h 28min
E36: Beff Jezos on doxxing, e/acc, and why crypto will save AI
Beff Jezos, the anonymous co-founder of the e/acc movement, discusses topics such as doxxing, e/acc, crypto saving AI, the significance of freedom of information, voice in Washington, decentralization in AI, and the intersection of crypto and AI

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Dec 1, 2023 • 58min
E35: Samo Burja on Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and George Soros
Samo Burja discusses the thinking processes of live players like Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and George Soros. They delve into evaluating evidence, the potential of solar energy, for-profit vs nonprofit organizations, exploring electric cars, and the importance of live players in society.

Nov 24, 2023 • 57min
E34: Byrne Hobart on Sam Altman, Meta vs Google, and Effective Altruism
Byrne Hobart, author of tech and finance newsletter The Diff, discusses Sam Altman's ousting from OpenAI, Microsoft's role in the story, and the new competitive landscape for AI companies. They explore corporate drama and career possibilities in the AI industry, as well as the importance of AI and Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. They also talk about selling AI tools to corporations and express excitement for future developments.

Nov 17, 2023 • 1h 2min
E33: The Untold History of Nuclear Energy with Packy McCormick and Julia DeWahl
The Untold History of Nuclear Energy explores the rise and fall of nuclear power in the 20th century. With guests Packy McCormick and Julia DeWahl, the podcast discusses the complexities of nuclear energy, the shift from military to commercial use, the development and growth of nuclear energy, the conflicting dual mandate of the Atomic Energy Commission, the impact of regulation and economics, and the challenges faced by the nuclear energy industry.

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Nov 10, 2023 • 1h 2min
E32: Balaji on SBF and the Israel-Hamas War
Balaji Srinivasan, an expert on recent events and the conflict in the Middle East, talks about SBF's conviction and the Israel-Hamas war. Topics include the power of Twitter in exposing fraud, the role of citizen journalists, the influence of press coverage on government actions, doubts about the crypto ecosystem, and the concepts of nation, state, and network.