In this episode, Erik sits down with Samo Burja, political scientist and founder of Bismarck Analysis. They discuss Samo's term "live player" and today's live players, including Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and George Soros.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:50) What are "live players?"

(05:05) Samo’s worldview

(10:35) Reflections on the energy transition

(15:35) Sponsor: Shopify

(18:40) Sam Altman as a live player

(22:25) OpenAI’s culture vs Microsoft’s culture

(25:45) Sam Altman vs Elon Musk vs Peter Thiel

(30:35) Sponsor: Oracle

(32:40) Understanding different perspectives on capitalism

(33:45) The role of live players in society

(38:05) Can we train live players?

(43:20) The evolution of live players

(48:10) Philanthropists as live players: Bill Gates, the Kochs, etc

(55:50) The paradox of open society advocates

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