In this episode, Erik is joined by Byrne Hobart, author of tech and finance newsletter The Diff, to discuss Sam Altman's ousting from OpenAI, Microsoft's role in the story, and the new competitive landscape for AI companies.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:00) Non-obvious thoughts about governance and legal structures

(03:45) Could the board have found out something about Sam?

(04:40) Tech’s online coordination and choosing sides

(06:25) Why haven’t the OpenAI board shared their reasoning?

(12:20) Are they going to bring Sam back?

(15:10) What should OpenAI’s pivot be?

(17:30) Sponsor: Shopify

(20:30) Analyzing Microsoft's moves and the sweetheart deal

(23:50) Satya's succession plans

(27:15) OpenAI's unique governance structure

(30:00) Sponsor: Oracle

(32:15) Why Byrne is long Microsoft

(40:10) What explains Microsoft's turnaround?

(42:15) Meta and Google

(48:10) Which of these companies Byrne would short: Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft

(50:20) Was this a coup from the Effective Altruism movement?

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