

The Rollup
Face-to-face with the most important people in digital assets.
Face-to-face with the most important people in digital assets.
Website: https://therollup.co/
Website: https://therollup.co/
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Jul 25, 2025 โข 29min
The 9-Figure EtherFi Revenue Machine with Mike Silagadze
Mike Silagadze, CEO of Ether.fi, shares his journey pivoting from infrastructure to consumer-focused DeFi solutions. He emphasizes the importance of building meaningful apps that genuinely benefit users, including innovative tools like cashback lotteries. The discussion also delves into the challenges of achieving product-market fit in crypto, the rise of neobanking, and how strategic vertical integration can enhance capital efficiency. Mikeโs insights lay the groundwork for a more user-friendly future in decentralized finance.

Jul 24, 2025 โข 30min
The Real Story Behind Everclear's Growth with Arjun Bhuptani
Arjun Bhuptani, the founder of Everclear, shares insights on the booming cross-chain ETH transactions that are driving significant institutional interest. He reveals how Everclear surpassed $1 billion in volume by becoming a crucial clearing layer for these transactions. The conversation dives into the complexities of blockchain interoperability and underscores the importance of transparency in digital asset treasury companies. Arjun also discusses the lessons learned from past market failures and the vast opportunities that lie ahead for ETH adoption.

Jul 23, 2025 โข 41min
John Adler On Proof Of Goverance, TIA Staking, and New Tokenomics
Join John Adler from Celestia, a visionary in blockchain technology, as he introduces his bold "proof of governance" concept, challenging traditional proof of stake. He argues that staking inflates yields and creates unfair validator dynamics. Discover how his model could reduce issuance by 20-40x and make burning fees feasible. John also critiques Ethereum's staking and governance, advocating for equal voting power among validators. Get ready for a deep dive into the future of tokenomics and the role of governance in enhancing crypto ecosystems!

Jul 23, 2025 โข 1h 43min
Proof Of Governance, Storm on Ownership and Institutional Adoption with Arjun Bhuptani, John Adler and JJ
Arjun Bhuptani, an expert in digital asset flows, highlights the institutional appeal of Ethereum and the innovative Everclear clearing product. John Adler, known for his work on Celestia, discusses a proof of governance proposal that could revolutionize Layer 2 scaling solutions. The conversation dives into market trends, the challenges of cross-chain transactions, and how decentralized finance is changing capital management. They emphasize the need for transparency and community-driven governance in the evolving crypto landscape.

Jul 21, 2025 โข 51min
The Monad Thesis With James Hunsaker
James Hunsaker from Monad, an expert in blockchain efficiency, navigates the complexities of decentralized exchanges. He discusses why latency and economic incentives are the real stumbling blocks for crypto adoption, rather than just transaction speeds. Hunsaker challenges conventional thinking about high-frequency trading in a blockchain context and emphasizes the need for better infrastructure to meet user demands. He also explores the economic dynamics of Layer 1 networks and critiques the integration of cryptocurrency in consumer payments.

Jul 18, 2025 โข 34min
How Wall Street Learned To Love Tokenization with Michael Sonnenshein
Michael Sonnenshein, COO of Securitize, has over 12 years of crypto experience and is at the forefront of tokenizing real-world assets. In this discussion, he reveals how Wall Street is increasingly adopting tokenization amid a growing market now valued at $25B. They explore the unique 'native' approach Securitize takes and the overlooked risks in this rush to tokenize everything. The conversation also touches on legislative shifts that could enhance the U.S.'s positioning in global crypto finance.

Jul 18, 2025 โข 2h 18min
The Signal, Boundless Mainnet Launch, Wormholeโs RWA Focus, New Chief AI Officer at Story Protocol with Tomer Weller, Shiv Shankar, Sreeram Kannan, Robinson Burkey, Declan Fox & Michaล Zajฤ c
Robinson Burkey, an expert at Wormhole specializing in blockchain interoperability, shares insights on the future of cross-chain asset transfers. He discusses the transformative potential of bridging and message passing technologies, emphasizing their role in promoting decentralized finance. Burkey highlights innovations that reduce transaction costs and enhance the security of crypto transactions. The conversation also dives into the necessity of collaboration within Web3 to unlock growth, ensuring a robust ecosystem that prioritizes financial security.

Jul 16, 2025 โข 25min
Why You Should Question Proof-of-Stake As The Default with Jon Charbonneau
Jon Charbonneau, co-founder of DBA, dives deep into the complex world of blockchain architecture. He questions the reliability of Proof-of-Stake as the default consensus mechanism and introduces Proof-of-Governance as a potential alternative. The discussion touches on security risks for Layer 1s amid token inflation, the implications of Celestia's data availability fees, and Ethereumโs ambitious plan to reduce slot times. Jon champions a rethink of fundamental blockchain design assumptions for future viability.

Jul 16, 2025 โข 1h 36min
Dormant BTC Whale Offloading Billions, Tokenization Mania, Ethereum Goes All-In on ZK and Songcoins with Karel Kubat, Michael Sonnenshein and Cooper Turley
Michael Sonnenshein, COO at Securitize, discusses the impact of a dormant Bitcoin whale offloading billions and the tokenization of real-world assets. Karel Kubat, Founder of Union, shares insights on Bitcoin's future and innovations in the ZK space. Cooper Turley, known for building SongCoins, dives into how blockchain can revolutionize music, enabling fans to invest in their favorite artists. Together, they explore the evolving landscape of crypto legislation and the exciting potential of integrating decentralized finance into everyday life.

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Jul 14, 2025 โข 53min
How Blockchain Fixes AI's Biggest Problem with Anand Iyer
Anand Iyer, an AI crypto investor entrenched in both industries, discusses the nascent world of decentralized AI. He tackles the stark contrast in fundingโ$300 billion for centralized AI versus just $1 billion for decentralized optionsโhighlighting a massive opportunity for innovation. Anand predicts the next big project could emerge from just one developer on-chain. The conversation also dives into the ethical implications of AI in personal relationships and how blockchain can enhance privacy in this evolving tech landscape.


