

The Gray Area with Sean Illing
Vox
The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday. From the Vox Media Podcast Network.
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Aug 1, 2022 • 1h 4min
The Supreme Court's power grab
Nikolas Bowie, a Harvard Law professor specializing in constitutional law, dives into the U.S. Supreme Court's recent controversial term. He candidly analyzes landmark rulings limiting EPA powers, expanding gun rights, and overturning Roe v. Wade. Bowie questions the radical structure of the court's arguments and explores the fate of legal liberalism in this new judicial landscape. The conversation also tackles potential reforms to curb the conservative majority's influence on American law, highlighting the urgency for democratic mobilization and grassroots efforts.

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Jul 28, 2022 • 1h 4min
How middlemen took over the economy
Kathryn Judge, Harvey J. Goldschmid Professor of Law at Columbia University and author of "Direct: The Rise of the Middleman Economy," dives into the pervasive influence of middlemen like Amazon and Walmart. She discusses their dual roles in efficiency and economic fragility and critiques the moral dilemmas consumers face in supporting these intermediaries. Judge advocates for a shift toward direct purchasing to foster ethical buying habits and restore balance in the economy, urging consumers to consider the real costs of their choices.

Jul 25, 2022 • 54min
The necessity — and danger — of free speech
In this engaging conversation, Margaret Sullivan, a media columnist for The Washington Post and author of 'Ghosting the News', dives into the complex relationship between free speech and democracy. She and Sean Illing discuss how unregulated discourse can endanger societal harmony. The challenges of misinformation and media's dual role as both an empowering force and a tool for manipulation are explored. Sullivan also highlights the evolving landscape of journalism and the urgent need for media literacy to support democratic values.

Jul 21, 2022 • 53min
Hacking coral sex to save the reefs
In this discussion, marine biologist Hanna Koch, a postdoctoral research fellow at Mote Marine Laboratory's Coral Reef Restoration Program, shares her groundbreaking work in repopulating coral reefs. She explains the unique reproductive behaviors of corals and how innovative restoration techniques, like strategic breeding, aim to enhance resilience against climate change. Hanna emphasizes the critical role of coral reefs in supporting marine biodiversity and human communities, urging immediate action to combat their alarming decline.

Jul 18, 2022 • 51min
The price of keeping secrets
In this intriguing talk, Michael Slepian, a Columbia Business School professor and author of 'The Secret Life of Secrets', delves into the psychology of secret-keeping. He explores why we conceal certain truths and the emotional toll it takes, including feelings of shame and isolation. The conversation highlights how secrecy can impact trust and relationships, the delicate balance between privacy and betrayal, and the liberating nature of sharing hidden truths. Slepian also emphasizes the importance of choosing the right confidant to foster deeper connections.

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Jul 14, 2022 • 1h 2min
Does China control Hollywood?
In this engaging discussion, Erich Schwartzel, a Wall Street Journal reporter and author of "Red Carpet," unravels the complex relationship between Hollywood and China. He explores how the Chinese market shapes blockbuster budgets and affects storylines through censorship. Schwartzel highlights the challenges American films face in appealing to Chinese audiences, citing the decline of their success and the impact of domestic competitors. The conversation sheds light on how filmmakers balance cultural adaptation with artistic integrity in this evolving cinematic landscape.

Jul 11, 2022 • 49min
Steve Bannon is still at war
In this conversation, Jennifer Senior, a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer for The Atlantic, dives into her revealing piece on Steve Bannon, whom she dubs 'American Rasputin.' They explore Bannon's controversial role as a media manipulator through his 'War Room' podcast. Senior dissects his impact on political movements, including the January 6th attack. The discussion also touches on Bannon's belief systems and how he might be shaping future insurgencies, highlighting the intersection of media and power in contemporary politics.

Jun 30, 2022 • 38min
The Fortress of Solitude saw it all coming
Jonathan Lethem, acclaimed author of 'The Fortress of Solitude,' delves into the novel's exploration of gentrification, cultural appropriation, and the superhero genre. He reflects on the nostalgic ties of 1970s Brooklyn, the responsibilities of writers regarding racial representation, and how past movements influence today's activism. Lethem discusses the significance of comics in his life and how they connect with the emotional journeys of his characters, making a case for the enduring relevance of his work as it nears its 20th anniversary.

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Jun 27, 2022 • 1h 3min
The Philosophers: Stoic revival
In a captivating conversation, Ryan Holiday, an author and prominent advocate for Stoicism, delves into how this ancient philosophy can enrich modern life. He explores the misconception that Stoicism is only for elites, drawing parallels between Stoicism and Buddhism. Holiday emphasizes the significance of mortality in easing anxiety and discusses practical strategies for self-mastery. With insights from great Stoic thinkers like Marcus Aurelius, he highlights the importance of living authentically and making mindful choices amidst today's challenges.

Jun 23, 2022 • 51min
Station Eleven's creator on the end of the world
In a captivating discussion, Patrick Somerville, the creator of HBO's Station Eleven, shares insights on crafting a pandemic-inspired narrative during a real pandemic. He reflects on the emotional resonance of character reunions and the vital role of connection and art in survival. The lighthearted yet poignant talk also explores the evolving meaning of hugs post-pandemic, emphasizing their importance for comfort and connection. Somerville critiques societal norms around intimacy while weaving in themes of hope and resilience amidst chaos.


