This is Fine! A podcast about resilience engineering and software

John Allspaw, a pioneer in resilience engineering known for his impactful work at Etsy and in the DevOps movement, dives into crucial discussions about safety in software. He addresses how traditional safety concepts clash with software development realities. The conversation highlights the necessity of psychological safety for innovation and explores narrative control's role in software perception. They also examine the dynamics of change management in development, including the risks associated with code freezes and fostering open communication during deployments.

In this engaging discussion, the hosts dive into the world of resilience engineering, sharing personal anecdotes that highlight its significance. They tackle the complexities of maintaining uptime and the common misconceptions surrounding it. The conversation turns to navigating job loss, where the importance of empathy and communication shines through during crises. There's also a call for community involvement, inviting listeners to join the conversation and share their experiences in fostering resilience in the workplace.