In this engaging discussion, Eric Beinhocker, a Professor at the University of Oxford, contrasts traditional neoclassical economics with the emerging field of complexity economics. They delve into how these theories shape growth strategies and influence policy, especially in our tech-driven world. Topics like the evolution of markets, the divergence of technology progress, and the crucial role of trust in economic collaboration are highlighted. Eric advocates for a nuanced approach to navigate the complexities of modern economies and enhance public policy.

Kevin Kelly, a tech expert and founding editor of Wired magazine, dives into the fascinating realms of technology evolution and its societal impacts. He discusses the scaling laws that shape technological progress and their connection to biology and policy. The conversation emphasizes trust in network economies and how it influences technology adoption, particularly with AI. Kelly also advocates for adaptive regulations to tackle the complexities of emerging technologies, underscoring their inevitable integration into everyday life as we approach 2025.

My guest today is Rory Linkletter, a professional athlete who recently ran the Paris Olympic Marathon and the New York Marathon. Rory’s current personal best in the marathon is an impressive 2:08:01, which makes him the top Canadian marathon runner and the third-best Canadian performance ever. This episode, as you might guess, is different from the others. I wanted to talk to Rory because he inspired me greatly when I went to Paris to watch the race. Most importantly, I am convinced that there is much we can learn from professional athletes, especially marathon runners. In our conversation, we explore how Rory scaled his mental and physical abilities. I draw many parallels with the academic and policy worlds, delving into what we can learn from his process, the power laws he has identified, and his relationship with science. Scaling Theory is not turning into a running podcast, but, true to its mission, it remains focused on exploring the scaling laws behind everything—be it economic, technical, or biological systems. Rory opens new doors regarding this last subject. I hope you enjoy our discussion.

Stefan Thurner, a leading theoretical physicist and President of the Complexity Science Hub Vienna, shares his insights on the scaling laws that govern various systems. He discusses how these laws can enhance economic resilience and affect social dynamics. The conversation dives into the unique ways men and women organize social networks and the role of small companies in economic risks. Thurner emphasizes the importance of applying physics methodologies to understand complex interactions in both societal and financial contexts.

My guest today is Allison Stanger. Allison is a Middlebury Distinguished Endowed Professor; an Affiliate at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society, Harvard University; the Co-Director (with Danielle Allen) of the GETTING-Plurality⁠ Research Network, Harvard University; founding member of the Digital Humanism Initiative (Vienna); and an External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute. Allison’s next book, Who Elected Big Tech? is under contract with Yale University Press. In this conversation, Allison and I delve into the political science surrounding large tech companies. We explore their effects on consumers and democracy, the interplay between capitalism and democracy, the dangers of fragmented regulation, what the effective governance of social media entails, how to scale and measure it, potential areas of cooperation with China, and the relevance of public choice theory, complexity science, and power laws in shaping our understanding of technology. I hope you enjoy our discussion. *** References Stanger, Allison. "The Real Cost of Surveillance Capitalism: Digital Humanism in the United States and Europe." Perspectives on Digital Humanism (2022): 33-40. https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/51945/978-3-030-86144-5.pdf Werthner, Hannes, et al. "Digital humanism: The time is now." Computer 56.1 (2023): 138-142. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=10008968 Soros, George. "Fallibility, reflexivity, and the human uncertainty principle." Journal of Economic Methodology 20.4 (2013): 309-329. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=10008968

My guest is Arvind Narayanan, a Professor of Computer Science at Princeton University, and the director of the Center for Information Technology Policy, also at Princeton. Arvind is renowned for his work on the societal impacts of digital technologies, including his textbook on fairness and machine learning, his online course on cryptocurrencies, his research on data de-anonymization, dark patterns, and more. He has already amassed over 30,000 citations on Google Scholar. In just a few days, in late September 2024, Arvind will release a book co-authored with Sayash Kapoor titled “AI Snake Oil: What Artificial Intelligence Can Do, What It Can’t, and How to Tell the Difference.” Having had the privilege of reading an early version, our conversation delves into some of the book’s key arguments. We also explore what Arvind calls AI scaling myths, the reality of artificial general intelligence, how governments can scale effective AI policies, the importance of transparency, the role that antitrust can, and cannot play, the societal impacts of scaling automation, and more. I hope you enjoy our conversation. Find me on X at @⁠⁠⁠ProfSchrepel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Also, be sure to subscribe. ** References: ➝ AI Snake Oil: What Artificial Intelligence Can Do, What It Can’t, and How to Tell the Difference (2024) ➝ AI scaling myths (2024) ➝ AI existential risk probabilities are too unreliable to inform policy (2024) ➝ Foundation Model Transparency Reports (2024)

Sara Hooker, VP of Research at Cohere and a recognized AI innovator, shares insights on scaling laws and their limits, emphasizing how smaller models can outperform larger ones. She discusses the balance between open-source and proprietary models, highlighting the need for inclusivity, particularly for multilingual capabilities. Sara also tackles data accessibility challenges and copyright issues affecting AI training, and reflects on how her diverse upbringing informs her approach to innovative research practices. Expect a thought-provoking conversation on AI's future!

Michael Mauboussin, finance expert, talks about increasing returns, market dynamics, Charles Darwin, AI, and the Santa Fe Institute. They discuss leveraging increasing returns in business, impact of intangible assets, navigating complex technologies, and embracing complexity in everyday life.

Economist Glen Weyl discusses his new book on plurality and technology's role in societal change. Topics include open-source AI, blockchain, challenges in open-source compliance, and scaling plurality to address systemic inequalities.

Yann LeCun, a leading computer scientist, discusses AI dynamics and regulation. Topics include open source's role in AI development, scaling AI models, market dynamics, Meta's long-term strategy, the impact of chip manufacturers on AI companies, and the European AI Act. The conversation explores the future of AI, regulatory challenges, and the competition in the AI chip market.