
Stanford Legal
Law touches most aspects of life. Here to help make sense of it is the Stanford Legal podcast, where we look at the cases, questions, conflicts, and legal stories that
affect us all every day.
Stanford Legal launched in 2017 as a radio show on Sirius XM. We’re now a standalone podcast and we’re back after taking some time away, so don’t forget to subscribe or follow this feed. That way you’ll have access to new episodes as soon as they’re available.
We know that the law can be complicated. In past episodes we discussed a broad range of topics from the legal rights of someone in a conservatorship like Britney Spears to the Supreme Court’s abortion decision to how American law firms had to untangle their Russian businesses after the invasion of Ukraine. Past episodes are still available in our back catalog of episodes.
In future shows, we’ll bring on experts to help make sense of things like machine learning and developments in the regulation of artificial intelligence, how the states draw voting maps, and ways that the Supreme Court’s affirmative action ruling will change college admissions.
Our co-hosts know a bit about these topics because it’s their life’s work.
Pam Karlan studies and teaches what is known as the “law of democracy,”—the law that regulates voting, elections, and the political process. She served as a commissioner on the California Fair Political Practices Commission, an assistant counsel and cooperating attorney for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, and (twice) as a Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. She also co-directs Stanford’s Supreme Court Litigation Clinic, which represents real clients before the highest court in the country, working on important cases including representing Edith Windsor in the landmark marriage equality win and David Riley in a case where the Supreme Court held that the police generally can’t search digital information on a cell phone seized from an individual who has been arrested unless they first get a warrant. She has argued before the Court nine times.
And Rich Ford’s teaching and writing looks at the relationship between law and equality, cities and urban development, popular culture and everyday life. He teaches local government law, employment discrimination, and the often-misunderstood critical race theory. He studied with and advised governments around the world on questions of equality law, lectured at places like the Sorbonne in Paris on the relationship of law and popular culture, served as a commissioner for the San Francisco Housing Commission, and worked with cities on how to manage neighborhood change and volatile real estate markets. He writes about law and popular culture for lawyers, academics, and popular audiences. His latest book is Dress Codes: How the Laws of Fashion Made History, a legal history of the rules and laws that influence what we wear.
The law is personal for all of us—and pivotal. The landmark civil rights laws of the 1960s have made discrimination illegal but the consequences of the Jim Crow laws imposed after the civil war are still with us, reflected in racially segregated schools and neighborhoods and racial imbalances in our prisons and conflict between minority communities and police. Unequal gender roles and stereotypes still keep women from achieving equality in professional status and income. Laws barring gay people from marrying meant that millions lived lives of secrecy and shame. New technologies present new legal questions: should AI decide who gets hired or how long convicted criminals go to prison? What can we do about social media’s influence on our elections? Can Chat GPT get copyright in a novel?
Law matters. We hope you’ll listen to new episodes that will drop on Thursdays every two weeks.
To learn more, go to https://law.stanford.edu/stanford-legal-podcast/.
Latest episodes

Jul 21, 2018 • 28min
Cities for Workers with guest Michelle Wilde Anderson
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "Cities for Workers with guest Michelle Wilde Anderson" Stanford Law School Professor Michelle Wilde Anderson discusses her research into concentrated rural and urban poverty, which has taken her across the country to the many “dying” communities that no longer have a base of middle-class jobs. Here, she shares her view of our nation’s crumbling infrastructure, the impact on urban areas, and families and how we as a nation might help to solve this growing challenge. Originally aired on SiriusXM on July 21, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

Jul 7, 2018 • 27min
Purging Voter Rolls with guest Nathaniel Persily
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "Purging Voter Rolls with guest Nathaniel Persily" Stanford Law Professor Nathaniel Persily discusses important recent Supreme Court decisions on voting rights including one that allows Ohio to take the names of certain voters off its roles. Will this and other decisions impact one party’s voters disproportionately? Originally aired on SiriusXm on July 7, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

Jun 23, 2018 • 28min
Working on Peace with North Korea w/ guests Allen Weiner & Scott Sagan
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "Working on Peace with North Korea w/ guests Allen Weiner & Scott Sagan" Allen Weiner, Director of the Stanford Program on International and Comparative Law, and Scott Sagan, Political Science Professor at Stanford and Senior Fellow at Stanford’s Center for International Security and Cooperation, talk about the nuclear summit between President Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un and whether the agreement they hashed out will lead to a decline in tensions on the Korean peninsula. Originally aired on SiriusXM on June 23, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

Jun 23, 2018 • 28min
Controversial Wedding Cakes with guest Pam Karlan
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "Controversial Wedding Cakes with guest Pam Karlan" Stanford Law Professor and Stanford Legal co-host Pam Karlan discusses the Supreme Court’s decision to side with a Colorado cake shop owner who denied service to a gay couple who wanted him to bake a cake for their wedding. Originally aired on SiriusXM on June 23, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

Jun 9, 2018 • 28min
Making sense of tribal sovereignty w/ guests Gregory Ablavsky & Jared Crum
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "Making sense of tribal sovereignty w/ guests Gregory Ablavsky & Jared Crum" Stanford Law Professor Gregory Ablavsky, an instructor with Stanford’s Native American Amicus Brief Project and law student Jared Crum, president of Stanford’s Native American Law Student Association; discuss their work with tribal court systems, legal issues related to tribal sovereignty, and why that sovereignty exists. Originally aired on SiriusXM on June 9, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

May 26, 2018 • 29min
The legality of Truth Detection w/ guests Hank Greely & Bob Weisberg
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "The legality of Truth Detection w/ guests Hank Greely & Bob Weisberg" Stanford Law professors Hank Greely and Bob Weisberg discuss advances in truth detecting technology and how those technologies intersect with the legal system and societal ethics now and in the not too distant future. Originally aired on SiriusXM on May 26, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

May 26, 2018 • 27min
The First Amendment on Campus with guest Michael McConnell
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "The First Amendment on Campus with guest Michael McConnell" Law professor and Director of the Constitutional Law Center at Stanford, Michael McConnell talks about the First Amendment and where it begins and ends on different types of college campuses. Originally aired on SiriusXM on May 26, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

Apr 28, 2018 • 25min
Coming to America with guests Matt Ball & Qismat Amin
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "Coming to America with guests Matt Ball & Qismat Amin" Stanford Law School student and Afghanistan War Veteran Matt Ball developed a friendship with Afghan native and translator Qismat Amin. The two describe meeting and working together in Afghanistan and how Qismat overcame legal obstacles and ISIS threats before finally arriving safely in the United States. Originally aired on SiriusXM on April 28, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

Apr 28, 2018 • 31min
Artificial Intelligence & the Law w/ guests Mark Lemley & Michelle Lee
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "Artificial Intelligence & the Law w/ guests Mark Lemley & Michelle Lee" Stanford law professor and Director of the Stanford Program in Law, Science and Technology, Mark Lemley and visiting law professor Michelle Lee join Pam and Joe for a discussion on some of the legal issues that are likely to arise as Artificial intelligence becomes an integral part of our daily lives. Originally aired on SiriusXM on April 28, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.

Apr 14, 2018 • 28min
States Rights w/ guests Ed Dumont, Debbie Sivas, & David Freeman Engstrom
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman: "States Rights w/ guests Ed Dumont, Debbie Sivas, & David Freeman Engstrom" California Solicitor General Ed Dumont talks about the rise in blue state federalism and California’s role in defending the values of its citizens in the face of an increasingly difficult to work with federal government. Law professor and director of Stanford’s Environmental Law Clinic, Debbie Sivas shares her expertise on what could be a federal-state standoff over California’s auto emissions standards. Stanford law professor and associate dean for strategic planning, David Freeman Engstrom talks about the extent at which states can create their own foreign policy. Originally aired on SiriusXM on April 14, 2018. Recorded at Stanford Video.