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Stanford Law School
Law touches most aspects of life. Here to help make sense of it is the Stanford Legal podcast, where we look at the cases, questions, conflicts, and legal stories that
affect us all every day.
Stanford Legal launched in 2017 as a radio show on Sirius XM. We’re now a standalone podcast and we’re back after taking some time away, so don’t forget to subscribe or follow this feed. That way you’ll have access to new episodes as soon as they’re available.
We know that the law can be complicated. In past episodes we discussed a broad range of topics from the legal rights of someone in a conservatorship like Britney Spears to the Supreme Court’s abortion decision to how American law firms had to untangle their Russian businesses after the invasion of Ukraine. Past episodes are still available in our back catalog of episodes.
In future shows, we’ll bring on experts to help make sense of things like machine learning and developments in the regulation of artificial intelligence, how the states draw voting maps, and ways that the Supreme Court’s affirmative action ruling will change college admissions.
Our co-hosts know a bit about these topics because it’s their life’s work.
Pam Karlan studies and teaches what is known as the “law of democracy,”—the law that regulates voting, elections, and the political process. She served as a commissioner on the California Fair Political Practices Commission, an assistant counsel and cooperating attorney for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, and (twice) as a Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. She also co-directs Stanford’s Supreme Court Litigation Clinic, which represents real clients before the highest court in the country, working on important cases including representing Edith Windsor in the landmark marriage equality win and David Riley in a case where the Supreme Court held that the police generally can’t search digital information on a cell phone seized from an individual who has been arrested unless they first get a warrant. She has argued before the Court nine times.
And Rich Ford’s teaching and writing looks at the relationship between law and equality, cities and urban development, popular culture and everyday life. He teaches local government law, employment discrimination, and the often-misunderstood critical race theory. He studied with and advised governments around the world on questions of equality law, lectured at places like the Sorbonne in Paris on the relationship of law and popular culture, served as a commissioner for the San Francisco Housing Commission, and worked with cities on how to manage neighborhood change and volatile real estate markets. He writes about law and popular culture for lawyers, academics, and popular audiences. His latest book is Dress Codes: How the Laws of Fashion Made History, a legal history of the rules and laws that influence what we wear.
The law is personal for all of us—and pivotal. The landmark civil rights laws of the 1960s have made discrimination illegal but the consequences of the Jim Crow laws imposed after the civil war are still with us, reflected in racially segregated schools and neighborhoods and racial imbalances in our prisons and conflict between minority communities and police. Unequal gender roles and stereotypes still keep women from achieving equality in professional status and income. Laws barring gay people from marrying meant that millions lived lives of secrecy and shame. New technologies present new legal questions: should AI decide who gets hired or how long convicted criminals go to prison? What can we do about social media’s influence on our elections? Can Chat GPT get copyright in a novel?
Law matters. We hope you’ll listen to new episodes that will drop on Thursdays every two weeks.
To learn more, go to https://law.stanford.edu/stanford-legal-podcast/.
affect us all every day.
Stanford Legal launched in 2017 as a radio show on Sirius XM. We’re now a standalone podcast and we’re back after taking some time away, so don’t forget to subscribe or follow this feed. That way you’ll have access to new episodes as soon as they’re available.
We know that the law can be complicated. In past episodes we discussed a broad range of topics from the legal rights of someone in a conservatorship like Britney Spears to the Supreme Court’s abortion decision to how American law firms had to untangle their Russian businesses after the invasion of Ukraine. Past episodes are still available in our back catalog of episodes.
In future shows, we’ll bring on experts to help make sense of things like machine learning and developments in the regulation of artificial intelligence, how the states draw voting maps, and ways that the Supreme Court’s affirmative action ruling will change college admissions.
Our co-hosts know a bit about these topics because it’s their life’s work.
Pam Karlan studies and teaches what is known as the “law of democracy,”—the law that regulates voting, elections, and the political process. She served as a commissioner on the California Fair Political Practices Commission, an assistant counsel and cooperating attorney for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, and (twice) as a Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. She also co-directs Stanford’s Supreme Court Litigation Clinic, which represents real clients before the highest court in the country, working on important cases including representing Edith Windsor in the landmark marriage equality win and David Riley in a case where the Supreme Court held that the police generally can’t search digital information on a cell phone seized from an individual who has been arrested unless they first get a warrant. She has argued before the Court nine times.
And Rich Ford’s teaching and writing looks at the relationship between law and equality, cities and urban development, popular culture and everyday life. He teaches local government law, employment discrimination, and the often-misunderstood critical race theory. He studied with and advised governments around the world on questions of equality law, lectured at places like the Sorbonne in Paris on the relationship of law and popular culture, served as a commissioner for the San Francisco Housing Commission, and worked with cities on how to manage neighborhood change and volatile real estate markets. He writes about law and popular culture for lawyers, academics, and popular audiences. His latest book is Dress Codes: How the Laws of Fashion Made History, a legal history of the rules and laws that influence what we wear.
The law is personal for all of us—and pivotal. The landmark civil rights laws of the 1960s have made discrimination illegal but the consequences of the Jim Crow laws imposed after the civil war are still with us, reflected in racially segregated schools and neighborhoods and racial imbalances in our prisons and conflict between minority communities and police. Unequal gender roles and stereotypes still keep women from achieving equality in professional status and income. Laws barring gay people from marrying meant that millions lived lives of secrecy and shame. New technologies present new legal questions: should AI decide who gets hired or how long convicted criminals go to prison? What can we do about social media’s influence on our elections? Can Chat GPT get copyright in a novel?
Law matters. We hope you’ll listen to new episodes that will drop on Thursdays every two weeks.
To learn more, go to https://law.stanford.edu/stanford-legal-podcast/.
Episodes
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Feb 3, 2019 • 28min
A Conversation with ACLU Staff Attorney Katrina Eiland, JD '10
Katrina Eiland, JD ’10, serves as a staff attorney with the ACLU's with the Immigrants’ Rights Project. She discusses the Trump administration's termination of DACA, family separation and more during a live taping of the “Stanford Legal” podcast. For past episodes, visit: https://stanfordradio.stanford.edu Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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Feb 2, 2019 • 28min
Gerrymandering and the 2020 Census with Nate Persily
Voting law expert Nate Persily discusses gerrymandering, the 2018 midterms and the 2020 census during a live taping of the "Stanford Legal" podcast. For past episodes, visit: https://stanford.io/2SqmNob Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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Jan 22, 2019 • 28min
Climate Change Dilemma with Professor Thomas Heller
In this episode of Stanford Legal, Pam and Joe are joined by Tom Heller, faculty director of the new Sustainable Finance Initiative at Stanford and professor emeritus at Stanford Law School. An expert in climate policies, law, and economic development, Heller has spent much of his career focusing on the legal and financial challenges of solving climate change—particularly in developing economies. He was part of the network of experts who made up the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that shared the 2008 Nobel Prize prize with former U.S. Vice President Al Gore.
Originally aired on SiriusXM on January 19, 2018.
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Jan 22, 2019 • 28min
Natural Disasters and Climate Change with Buzz Thompson
To what extent is climate change to blame for recent natural disasters like California’s Camp Fire, and how will law and policy respond? Buzz Thompson, an expert in water and natural resources law, discusses in a live taping of the "Stanford Legal" podcast. For past episodes, visit: https://law.stanford.edu/stanford-legal-on-siriusxm/
Originally aired on SiriusXM on January 19, 2018.
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Dec 8, 2018 • 28min
Religious Liberty in the Workplace with Jim Sonne and Liz Klein
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman:
"Religious Liberty in the Workplace with guests Jim Sonne and Liz Klein"
Jim Sonne, professor of law and founding director of the Religious
Liberty Clinic at Stanford, and law student Liz Klein discuss the constitutional right of religious liberty and how that sometimes clashes with workplace rules.
Originally aired on SiriusXM on December 8, 2018.
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Dec 8, 2018 • 28min
Barriers to Voting with Rabia Belt
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman:
"Voting Rights for Felons and the Disabled with guest Rabia Belt"
During each election, people with disabilities across the country face hurdles to casting their votes while thousands of formerly-incarcerated citizens are barred completely from this essential democratic act. Assistant Professor of Law Rabia Belt discusses voting rights for people with disabilities and the formerly incarcerated.
Originally aired on SiriusXM on December 8, 2018.
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Nov 10, 2018 • 30min
The Supreme Court After Kennedy with Dahlia Lithwick, Part 2
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman:
The Supreme Court after Kennedy (part 2) with guest Dahlia Lithwick
Dahlia Lithwick, JD ’96, senior editor for Slate, joins co-hosts Pam Karlan and Joe Bankman for a lively discussion about reporting on the Supreme Court and changes to it after Justice Kennedy’s retirement.
Originally aired on SiriusXM on November 10, 2018.
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Nov 10, 2018 • 26min
The Supreme Court After Kennedy with Dahlia Lithwick, Part 1
Stanford Legal with Pam Karlan & Joe Bankman:
The Supreme Court after Kennedy (part 1) with guest Dahlia Lithwick
Dahlia Lithwick, JD ’96, senior editor for Slate, joins co-hosts Pam Karlan and Joe Bankman for a lively discussion about reporting on the Supreme Court and changes to it after Justice Kennedy’s retirement.
Originally aired on SiriusXM on November 10, 2018.
Recorded by Stanford Video. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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Oct 27, 2018 • 28min
Conformity and Self-Censorship on College Campuses with Greg Lukianoff
Free speech advocate and FIRE CEO Greg Lukianoff, discusses issues of conformity and self-censorship on college campuses, and his recently-published book, “The Coddling of the American Mind,” co-written with Jonathan Haidt. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Oct 13, 2018 • 29min
Bad Blood and Silicon Valley Startup Culture with guest John Carreyrou
John Carreyrou, author of best-selling book “Bad Blood,” joins Pam and Joe for a discussion about Silicon Valley excesses, the downfall of VC darling Theranos, and its charismatic founder Elizabeth Holmes. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.