Based Camp | Simone & Malcolm Collins

The podcast dives into the provocative views of antinatalism, questioning the essence of happiness and its genetic roots. The hosts challenge hedonistic pursuits, advocating for deeper, purpose-driven living through relationships and spirituality. They dissect the fleeting nature of joy and the paradox of wealth affecting happiness. Exploring love languages and the role of religion in satisfaction, they also touch on personal joys found in culinary experiences. The discussion blends serious philosophical insights with relatable anecdotes, offering a fresh perspective on well-being.

In this episode, we delve into the dynamics of relationships and how raising the status of one partner can create unforeseen challenges. We explore concepts of fairness using the famous Capuchin monkey experiment, discuss historical and modern relationship structures, and compare these situations to international aid scenarios. We offer advice on how to navigate these dynamics successfully and share personal reflections on our journey together. Whether you're in a traditional or modern relationship, discover insights on managing status differences, the impact of shared goals, and strategies to ensure long-term harmony. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] This morning. We had a conversation that reminded me how unfair life is as a man. We were noting that early in our relationship.There was a very big because I told you I was like, I really wasn't that nice to you early in our relationship. I was not like as good of a partner as conscientious as a partner as I am nowSimone Collins: and I pointed out that like it didn't really matter because. You were way out of my league and there was a huge power distance and I gave him some examples.Of other very powerful men who have women who are great and very happy to be mistreated by him just because he's that high end status.Malcolm Collins: Yes. So then she, she pointed out, but she goes, Oh, but don't worry. Like you've elevated my status since then. So I actually require more of you. And I was Thinking about this, right?Like she's not wrong. When I first met her, she was a social media manager, was a degree from GW, you know, now she's got a graduate degree from Cambridge and everything like that. And it's [00:01:00] done all this big stuff. But back then she basically ran a Facebook account and had a degree from a mid tier university.And I was getting a Stanford MBA, right? And I ran more thanSimone Collins: a Facebook account, but yeah, I mean, yeah.Malcolm Collins: I was working in brain computer interface, stuff like that. I can see the difference there. And this is a problem that a lot of guys face is they raise the status of the woman that they are dating.And they expect her. To show a degree of appreciation in the same way that maybe we expected Zelensky to show some degree of appreciation for all the money that we've been funneling him. Exactly,Simone Collins: that there should beMalcolm Collins: some gratitude, some sense of indebtedness. And, and this is exactly, interestingly, not just a problem with women, but with like USAID and stuff like that is people don't really build like enduring gratitude.for shoveling the money or doing them favors unless your fates are somehow intermingled. So, you know, whether it's with like USAID, this idea that we're actually building gratitude in these [00:02:00] countries, that's just not the case.Simone Collins: And it brings me back mentally to Those capuchin monkeys that there was that famous experiment where there's video of a capuchin monkey being given some kind of treat and in return for doing a task and he's super cool with it.It's all great. And then he sees his compatriot given a much nicer treat.Malcolm Collins: He's being given cucumbers and the compatriots being given grapes. Oh, the nerve! The nerve!Speaker: Getting grape and you will see what happens. So she gives a rock to us. That's the task. And we give her a piece of cucumber and she eats it. The other one needs to give a rock to us, and that's what she does. And she gets a grape and she eats it. The other one sees that she gives a rock to us, now gets again cucumber[00:03:00]She tests the rock now against the wall. She needs to give it to us and she gets cucumber again. Oh my god.Malcolm Collins: And heSimone Collins: loses his mind. And this is a really great example and illustration of how fairness isn't some kind of higher moral good. It is a, a, an instinct that we have evolved , is species that deal and group .Dynamics and small group environments, but I think that this shows how this concept of fairness, which is also showing up here, right? That you invested in bettering me. And then I just expect you to treat me better once I'm at a higher social [00:04:00] strata and that we give aid to other countries and that we expect them to be nice to us is just us expecting like that capuchin monkey that we're going to be paid in grapes in return, right?Like, where's my grape? And then we freak out when, no, that's once you leave a small troop of monkeys or a tiny clan based village. It's over. You don't get that dynamic anymore. Fairness is not going to happen.Malcolm Collins: And, and here I note that you do get it when you're in small groups. So historically, suppose we were in a small medieval town and she like attempted to trade up or something like that.It would significantly hurt her reputation to the extent that it wouldn't be worth it. from her perspective. And this is why relationships used to be basically on a much easier difficulty mode. If you're talking about earlier in history. So what we wanted to lay out in this video is one how you can correct for and control for this inevitable change.How you can spot this change, where it becomes a [00:05:00] problem for different types of relationships, where people are expecting different things from each other that even the oh, so moral Simone is subject to you know, you think, oh, she's not. No, she's totally subject to it. And Finally, we're going to talk about well, I guess how you can make relationships work in the modern age.Yeah. So first, why don't you detail how this works for you and how you justify it within yourself?Simone Collins: Yeah, and this is interesting for me to realize that this happened because I want to point out that I'm a pretty mercenary person. Like if someone compliments me, I feel the need to immediately compliment them in return.Because otherwise in my mind, there's this pending debt on my ledger to them. And I really don't like that. So when anyone does me a favor, I get deeply uncomfortable because I have to find a way to return it. Otherwise there's a debt that is outstanding. And I can't, I can't workMalcolm Collins: for your long term partner though.So explain,Simone Collins: I know. So yeah, what's going on there? I feel like there may be some kind of subconscious. Social status [00:06:00] or value. I bring to the table meter within people that overrides their sense of indebtedness and maybe when you feel like you bring more to the table. That offsets some of the debt, like maybe again, I'm just reasoning here.And when people are asked to reason why they intuit certain things, they're just making it up. There's no, I don't actually know what's going on. IMalcolm Collins: can, I can see what you're saying being true. But I don't know if that's it. I think it's that it's a slow, like you, we were looking at pictures early in our relationship and we were like, wow, we were like kids when we started.When we started dating over 10 years ago at this point, 12, yeah,Simone Collins: yeah, we met in 2025Malcolm Collins: so, so a long time ago, so anyway when we started dating and I say, I was not nice to her. I was, yeah, I just I won't say I remember thinking actually really explicitly. I was like, yeah, [00:07:00] Wow. This woman like literally would do anything I tell her to.This is an enormous asset to have around. Now there, I think youSimone Collins: saw me as very like. Disposable or like a thrall.Malcolm Collins: Absolutely. Absolutely. You had noSimone Collins: respect for me.Malcolm Collins: You were absolutely a thrall who I was using for my purposes at the time. You were not the first one either, but you were particularly obedient.And, and I was fullySimone Collins: aware that this was the case. And that's why I wrote letters to myself in the future past our. Yeah, nobody, none of the reporters heard this part of theMalcolm Collins: story. They're like, oh, it's so romantic. You said you'd date him if you promised to break up with her. But when there's actually this other layer of like, if you know, Malcolm was Malcolm really like romantically attached to Simone at that point?Like, no, Malcolm is ruthless and self serving if amicable. And I wasn't going to. For you over, right? Like, even if you're acting, [00:08:00] you did some things early on, which put you in a position where I wasn't able to treat you as, as disposably as I otherwise was because you made enormous sacrifices. In terms of like wealth for me like investing in things and putting yourselves in like changing career, putting my job.Yeah. Yeah. Quitting your job. And that's where I was like, Oh s**t. Like I really have to like vampire the masquerade bloodline for you accidentally get the thrall. You're like, Oh, now she's like living at my house. I got to take care of this person. Actually feel bad if she gets murdered. I got to deal with this.So anyway it created this dynamic where, and early on, I don't know, very early on in our relationship, you proved yourself to me where I was just like, wow, like she is incredibly efficient, incredibly effective, and has an incredibly high fortitude for work ethic and hours which is what I wanted in a wife.And so I was like, okay, we can think about getting married. Let's, let's have that discussion. So that was within like. Four, five, [00:09:00] three months maybe of us knowing each other? Four or five months of us knowing each other? Seriously talking about marriage?Simone Collins: Well, basically we were together from March through July.of 2012, broke up July 31st. And then when we were back together by like late September, it was clear that we were going to get married if we got back together. ItMalcolm Collins: wasn't a super long period. And I'll even say early in our relationship, I wasn't as kind to you either, but the thrall period was fairly short, only a few months.Fairly. But it was, and so you were right to write the letters to yourself in the future. Yeah, ISimone Collins: feel like this is not, In your best interest long term.Malcolm Collins: I was going through photo albums to find some photos for a recent video I was editing and I found the album for when she first started dating me and it was titled something like, is this real life?Is this real life?Simone Collins: But you know that that was an internet reference, right? I mean both. I was charmed by you, but you know what I'm was referring to? What were you referencing that boy who's tripping after a dental visit? Charlie was what? Is like [00:10:00] CharlieSpeaker 3: Yeah, this is real life.Speaker 2: I have two fingers.Speaker 3: Good.Speaker 2: Four fingers,Malcolm Collins: still. So David, you wrote that then, and then I reflected some of the standards you have held me to recentlyAnd I was grasping the two Malcolms , you know, old dark triad Malcolm. Yeah. It's like modern Malcolm, right?Simone Collins: Yeah, modern takes care of the kids drives them everywhere, takes them to the doctor, puts them to bed at night.Malcolm Collins: And I go to her and I go, why this difference in standards? And you're like, well, my value wasn't very high when she started dating me and now it's really high.And the reality is, is she is. Functionally correct about this. Now I'd also note here that I also don't really have to worry about her leaving me or betraying me because of how we structured our [00:11:00] relationship. And this is where we need to come to relationship structures and types of relationships. So the reason I don't need to worry about that is it would be an enormous, I think probably irreconcilable costs for you to leave me.ToSimone Collins: leave each other. Well, I mean, one. Because we, we have chosen a, a life path and we have a set of values that are the same and we are stronger together than alone. So, There's sort of no way that we could maximize our objective functions more than by being together and working together.Malcolm Collins: I think a better way to put it for a red pill guy is no guy, like even a very rich guy, could bring incrementally more to the table than me.Absolutely not. Because then you're dealing with the kids, you know, who you've had with me, but you've got to raise with somebody else. You're dealing with all of the companies that, you know, you built your reputation building with me, the podcast, the public image of, well, all of that would just get destroyed.Simone Collins: I mean, not the kids [00:12:00] obviously, but all, all the businesses and stuff that we've done together would just get obliterated.Malcolm Collins: Then you can be like, yeah, but what if the guy was like a billionaire, right? Like what if it was Putin or something, right? I, I'd say Elon, but I'd be like, ah, that's not like, you're not getting, you're not nailing down Elon.Like no one's thinking, oh yeah, he's going to stay married to me. But whoever it is, you would have no reason to believe that they would stay invested in you long term. So even if they were enormously wealthy even if they had an enormous amount of status, it still wouldn't be worth it because you wouldn't know if they would stay vested in you long term.Simone Collins: Yeah. Which is anotherMalcolm Collins: thing, which is why I say it's useful to own your partner. But even when you own your partner, they can still leave you, but there is some like mutual vested interest. Yeah. The other thing. Well, continue.Simone Collins: Well, I think that the bigger thing is sometimes it doesn't make sense to invest in bettering your partner because let's talk aboutMalcolm Collins: what makes sense to better your partner before we get to this.Cause this is like, [00:13:00]Simone Collins: when it does make sense to better your partner is when you and your partner share an objective function in life. That is to say. You share values and morals and the thing that you want to maximize in your life. And you also more or less agree about the way you want to maximize it.This is a scenario in which the two of you working together in tandem on this cause on this thing will be much more effective than one of you focusing on that. And the other one, like handling life admin and house and kids. So it's worth it to invest in that. And you can trust that they will. Utilize the power that you've given to them to do to work with you.And I think that's another really important thing is I would be a little bit more cagey about improving my partner if we had totally separate careers. But I think the fact that we've always worked together. Has made it a pretty safe bet for you to go out on a limb and invest so much in bettering me because if I perform better, we [00:14:00] could raise more money or get more clients or expand our reach more successfully than if you were just doing that by yourself or if I was just doing that by myself.So a raise for me is a raise for you and not just in terms of our blended income, but in terms of our shared projects.Malcolm Collins: And the fact that we have what we describe the pragmatist guided relationship as a double Pygmalion relationship, which means that both partners core value to the other partner is that they're focused on improving that partner.Simone Collins: Yeah, in other words in a Pygmalion relationship, one partner, or this can be both partners too so the promise is to help you become the version of yourself that you want to be. WhichMalcolm Collins: is how our relationship started was just me helping you improve.Simone Collins: And then, and then I, I switched around to helping him become his full potential self.The key important thing with Pygmalion relationships is you need to make sure there's alignment. Between your ideal self and your partner's ideal you. And I think there are a lot of relationships where, and I've, we've seen this [00:15:00] firsthand. The one partner's idea of a perfect spouse is not what that person wants to be.And that is. A really uncomfortable situation.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, no, you're absolutely right. So I think that we've sort of laid this out in general. If both of your core values to each other is working to improve each other and you work closely together, or you find ways to work together on the things that are actually important to you the more separated your lives are, the more raising your partner status or investing in raising your partner status can blow up in your face.Especially if you're a male.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: But now let's talk about relationships where you don't want to invest in raising your partner's status. Do you want to go into that?Simone Collins: Yeah. 100%. I think if you have different objective functions, it's obvious that. You wouldn'tMalcolm Collins: benefit. Okay, I'll, I'll cut to the point here.Okay. Please. The most common time when this is the case is if the woman wants to be, as you [00:16:00] said this morning, a, a maid and a sex slave. Or which a lotSimone Collins: of women just kind of wanna be, they just wanna chill at home and be with their kids and make food and make their house pretty and. Not have to go to work or do anything else and, and be beautiful themselves.And I think a lot of husbands would love that. So that's, that's a fine match.Malcolm Collins: So these relationships can work spectacularly. They have a few major drawbacks, but one is. It is not expected for the woman herself, for example, that the guy raises her status within, I guess I'd call it like secular society.Like, when I say secular society, I don't mean non theological society, I mean like within the general world, like within business or politics or anything else. And actually a problem that I have seen in these relationships is when the wife decides to get a hobby like social media and then gets famous on her own while the husband is supporting [00:17:00] her and it augments her status.I see a lot of divorces after that happens.Simone Collins: Oh, yeah. I was wondering if that happens.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Like social media influencer, like trad wives and stuff like that they end up getting too famous and then they are like, Hey, I'm famous now and I could significantly upgrade and my fame really doesn't have anything to do with you.And we have what, like two kids, so it's not that hard to trade for somebody else. And yeah,Simone Collins: like technically she did it without her husband and so she doesn't need him at all.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, this is a not a great position to end up in. And so it is useful if your partner is building social media even if you are out working and stuff like that, that you ensure that you are part of that brand.Because the more integrated into the brand you are, the more costs there is to her attempting to trade up.Simone Collins: Yeah. Like I think good examples of this. are obviously ballerina farms where you have a couple that is promoting a family business, their, [00:18:00] their dairy and their protein powder and their farm and their meats and their flowers and their frozen croissant dough.And another example is Like comedy YouTuber named Jane Williamson and her husband, Chris Williamson he features frequently in her videos and skits, but also he runs a like fintech bro influencer agency company. So it's adjacent. You know, he manages the monetization of finance influencers online, but that also enables him to, I think, really skillfully queue up monetization and sponsorship deals for his wife, Jane.And that makes them work together really well. And I think her cachet as an influencer gives him credibility as well. But like he even lives with an influencer. He does content with an influencer regularly. So when finance influencers are talking with him, they're not like talking with someone who doesn't even know what they're doing.You know how much work they put into everything. [00:19:00] So I think these are really good examples where. And I think otherwise, it Jane and actually both are Mormon. So Hannah Nealman with Ballerina Farms and Jane Williamson, they're, they're all Mormon. So they, the, the wives started out as housewives.They didn't plan on necessarily getting a degree. So this is, I think is a really good example of how they started to develop careers organically by posting online and just enjoying it. But I think it is an example of how that dynamic can be made. sustainable and quite profitable for the entire family while also bringing the couple closer together.Malcolm Collins: Well, I also think that the status difference between partners is something that some women who are choosing this role prefer and it makes following orders. Or doing things for the husband more satisfyingSimone Collins: than itMalcolm Collins: would be if it didn't exist.Simone Collins: Well, I think the status difference that needs to remain is the husband still has to somehow have more control or power with money.Because this is just kind of a different version [00:20:00] of the woman being beautiful and the man being resource rich. But in, you know, in the case of ballerina farms, you have a husband who is from a wealthy family and with Jane and Chris Williams. And Chris is the one who handles sponsorship and money and, you know, I think that's the whole thing is I disagree with what you're sayingMalcolm Collins: here.I think what you need is a perception of power difference. And I think what you are undervaluing is for many women in this position sometimes a thing can be a sex thing without being a sex thing. What? By that what I mean is things like the amount of internal bristling that you feel when somebody gives you an order or tells you to do something or expect something of you in terms of like, you know, making dinner or something like that is going to be correlated to what is related to an arousal pathway, which is the dominance of submission [00:21:00] pathways.Like they're all, yeah, theSimone Collins: wires are. Right there next to each other.Malcolm Collins: If you don't see them as Well, that's why it ends up moving into the bed, moving into the world, moving into the bed. They're very It's the same basic neural circuitry. If you do not see your husband as differentially statused than you, then you are going to get negative emotional stimuli When he expects things of you or expects to be treated as if he is a different status.Yeah. It feelsSimone Collins: gross. It feels gross and pathetic. And then resentment is built. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing how resentment doesn't, doesn't even have to be a result of, I guess, a legitimate grievance. It could be the result of merely asking for something, but being lower status. That's really interesting.Malcolm Collins: Yes, and these women, they don't necessarily mean to feel this way, but it makes them less happy with their lives that they are given more status.And I think as a result of this, and this is one of the interesting things for me, while I do [00:22:00] think that housewives should be respected in like a broad sense, I think that Treating the career as significantly lower in status than going out and working during the day is actually in the best interest of the well being of most housewives.Like,Simone Collins: suppose Oh, yeah, to make them feel satisfied with their relationship, because otherwise they won't be.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So like, suppose your husband works at the patent office or something like that. He supplies for the family. It's a safe government job, but like, that's not high status was in society. Right. And that might lead to a wife expecting things or concessions from the husband that can cause fundamental issues with their relationship.Simone Collins: That resonates. Yeah. I, I simultaneously struggle with that because of course on the. Prenatalism front. We're trying to make parenthood a higher status and more desirable.Malcolm Collins: No, I think what you're missing here [00:23:00] is we need to erase the stigma around wanting to be a subservient housewife. The, the problem is, is you see only High status is the only thing that women would want.And that's just like objectively not true. There are multiple pathways that women might desire from life. As you see, if you look at things like Well, I guessSimone Collins: within religious communities too, that are conservative being. A properly, properly subservient housewife is a source of status.Malcolm Collins: And I think a lot of feminists, if you watch videos of them, like crying over the fact that, oh my gosh, like, I just want to be a wife.I, I, like, why am I being a slave and humiliated by my corpo boss who doesn't care about me when my husband could be treating me half as bad? And this is the thing when I talk about like differences in status. That I think is, is really when you talk to your average progressive female, you're like, you would want like a husband to like [00:24:00] sometimes like, expect things of his wife or like give her orders.And I'm like, yeah, but keep in mind that this is a dramatically better treatment than she would be getting in just about any office job. That, that's, that's what we're talking about here. We're not talking about like 1950s or whatever but we're talking about at least having expectations, which are differential within the household environmentSimone Collins: or like a level of deference. Yes. And I mean, the, the way, for example, it works in our relationship is you have the final call on everything and we know that because we, we know your judgment is more reliable there and more trustworthy. Like it's, it's merit based as well.Malcolm Collins: But if your judgment was better, I still wouldn't.You have to listen to me. I'm sorry, Simone. That's what we agreed to when we signed the marriage contract. That's where we are. We agreed to it for a reason. Now,Simone Collins: here's the, here's the problem though. And I think this is another reason why, it. People are having more trouble forming marriages [00:25:00] is women can't just be like, Oh, I'm gonna marry a guy and just let him take the wheel.She has to know that he's trustworthy. And men do actually have to earn that. And there's no closing your eyes and just kind of hoping it's okay.Malcolm Collins: this is a huge problem with trad relationships. As we pointed out earlier this morning is especially for women, they can be incredibly vulnerable. If the guy plans to just trade you out or dramatically increase expectations of you as the relationship goes on.Yeah. Cause here'sSimone Collins: the problem. So there's that dynamic of. Okay. Well, when women are younger, if they, if they see a jump in status, they may leave in, in a flight of hypergamy, but there's the other issue of once the kids are out of the house, what is stopping the now very resource rich end of career or end mid of career husband from leaving her.[00:26:00]With nothing. After she's had the kids and raised them. Well,Malcolm Collins: there's another problem, which I think this is what happened to Laura Thuzdern, is you get a really bad economic situation in which the longer the woman is with the guy, even if she hasn't been with him for a long time, like let's say two years, three years, five years, now she's got a five year resume gap, her economics reliance on him increases basically logarithmically the longer she is in this role.And some guys utilize that to increase the demands and decrease the treatment of the, of the wife.Simone Collins: Yeah, good point.Malcolm Collins: So there are a lot of challenges with this, and the key defense against these challenges are communities that will hold the other individual to account, like being in a Orthodox Jewish community or being in a, you know, a strict Catholic community or something like that.And I mentioned this phenomenon in some Orthodox Jewish communities, like if a guy divorces too easily. Other women will go on sex strikes with their husbands to try to force the other men to force this guy to treat his [00:27:00] wife better or follow the rules better or not, like randomly divorce. It's, it's weird.And it's hardSimone Collins: to believe, but you point out this is a common thing. It's like something that'sMalcolm Collins: happened like a number of times recently, and there's been news stories about it, but anyway,Actually, the episodes I was thinking of are for the inverse reason. Orthodox Jewish women typically go on sex strikes to, , force husbands to allow other women to divorce who want to divorce because, , in Orthodox Jewish law, only the husband can decide on the issue of divorce. , so they do this to try to pressure other men in the community to, , forcibly make the divorce happen.there, there, there is some value here, but the big problem is just how easy it is to like scram like, okay, so suppose I'm in a Catholic community.In one neighborhood that's like really devout. And I divorced my wife or leave my wife. And I can just like fly to London and go to another devout Catholic community or fly across the state and go to another devout Catholic community, find a new [00:28:00] wife. And there's not going to be the same, you know, actual external punishment for this or loss of status for this about the only religion that really effectively implements this loss of status are Mormons because they've got the central church, which I think sort of notifies people you know, this person left his partner where they don't think you also can't.Simone Collins: Really easily divorced people, you're kind of sealed to themMalcolm Collins: for life. Yeah. Yeah. That's why Mormons would be like, Hey, it's sealed for life. Like, yeah.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: I don't know if Orthodox Jews are good at this. I feel like their communities are a little too disparate where you just go to a slightly different faction of Judaism and now there's no connection.That wouldSimone Collins: be my concern. Absolutely. Yeah.So I don't know. What would you do? Like, what if our daughters, is Wanted to focus on being a homemaker and raising and homeschooling kids at home, which is a very valuable thing to do. I mean, if you're homeschooling and you have a lot of kids, one of the parents has to be [00:29:00] home,Malcolm Collins: there's no way around.You have a real value differential, right? You, you have, how, how do we have her protect yourself? What does that mean? What does it mean? You have, you have the husband, you'd be like, look, if you're taking this lifestyle, you need to be a fairly dedicated member of the church. The techno Puritan church.Simone Collins: Okay. So you need to enforce social punishment on the,Malcolm Collins: remember the way that the church works. If you watch the pragmatist guide to governance, which we haven't really talked about this in any of the tracks or anything like that is voting power is gained through the amount that you're investing in it.And, and, and status is gained with the amount that you invest in it. So an individual who was close to the church basically the church would have a control of some portion of their wealth. And would be feeding it back to them in a way that is of the high utility to them in terms of upward social mobility, but they wouldn't be able to just cut and run on a partner.Like there's multiple reasons you build systems like this.Simone Collins: Okay. Yeah, we need, [00:30:00] we need to work on it, but I, yeah, we need that. Definitely. We can't. This is an imperfect system and, and policing it is, is hard. I don'tMalcolm Collins: think it's an imperfect system at all. I think it's actually a really good system. If a couple's income is still controlled by them while they're together.But it goes to the one who was effed over, not by the state, because the state is very bad at deciding this, but by a religious organization, that's going to be really powerful at preventing couples from splitting up.Simone Collins: I could see that. Yeah. Yeah, if the religious community lives and works close together, especially, I think if, you know, this is a remote living and working couple or family that lives in a totally different part of the world, and they don't have much IMalcolm Collins: disagree.You need to increase the externality on splitting up. Having like having, like losing wealth or losing status because you broke up is a huge way to implement that. [00:31:00]Simone Collins: Yeah, but I'm saying if this is a, he said, she said situation and the church in this case doesn't have much access to. The couple's lives and inner workings then it's really hard.I think I disagreeMalcolm Collins: with this.Simone Collins: Yeah, why?Malcolm Collins: I I do not think anything is ever a he said she said situation I think generally you can get a fairly good idea of what was going on And you are always gonna be better than the state.Simone Collins: Oh Yeah,Malcolm Collins: that's the woman. Well, no,Simone Collins: I think more broadly to The state will do what is necessary to reduce its odds of having to pay for any children that are involved.And I think one of the reasons why it basically forces the man to pay for the woman and gives the children to the woman, is if the woman doesn't have the children, I think the state sees higher odds that the kids end up in the foster system and the state has to pay for them.Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins: Does that make sense?So [00:32:00] they're just trying to reduce financial liability. So by essentially Making the man fund the care of the child while the woman does the care of the child. They can guarantee that they're not going to have to pay for the care of the child and handle it themselves.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Whereas a church could say, actually both of you are a holes, the children and the money are going to some other family.Oh my god. Um Well, no, I mean, I think that that's an important, like, you need divorce to be costly.Simone Collins: Yeah, no, divorce, divorce should be more costly. I don't know if threatening to take away children is the right thing. And I think getting upstream of divorce is also really important.Malcolm Collins: Well, it's interesting.Anyone here who's like, I'm thinking about getting married because we know some people are considering to get married within techno puritan tradition and you want to utilize this. And I point out it's a service. It's not like we're taking your money or something like that. It's a service because it is useful in increasing the cost of [00:33:00] divorce.And because it is a religious institution there actually may be some tax benefits to doing it this way. Basically, well,Simone Collins: I guess you're putting the assets of the family into a trust making the religion or you could choose any person you want the executor of that trustMalcolm Collins: in the event of a divorce, you could do it as a trust or you could do it as nonprofit donations that would have a disproportionate likelihood, given the way things are structured of going to your kids, education, your kids, well being your kids, like whatever you wanted for your family.Basically, you would section it off like these non profit donations are dedicated to this clan or this faction of the tradition. And the money goes back out, which would allow it to be. Basically donated into a non profit religious institution but in a way where the family still benefited from the donations, so long as the benefits were not for hedonism.Like, you would have you know, regulations on how [00:34:00] the benefits could be doled out which would make it religious in nature but it's also probably what the family would want anyways for, like, long term nest egg stuff, like, only for, like, education, self improvement, businesses, and health related stuff.And then you could have it go out intergenerationally, especially with large amounts of money. So that you wouldn't have to deal with a death tax.Simone Collins: Yeah, well, I mean, in general, what we see some people doing is. To whatever extent they can, circumventing their income, so almost nothing actually goes to them.And when they're paid by other entities, those payments actually go in the form of equity or cash to other organizations. So this person isn't paying tax, they don't technically have a high net worth and yet they control these organizations. That have received the money.Malcolm Collins: I, I'd also point out, sorry, this may not be clear to people.We, the, the church is actually approved by the the I-R-S-I-R-S is [00:35:00] aall right. Well, I love you, Simone. I know that you have no allegiance to me anymore. You're only with me because of the cost to you.Simone Collins: No, I think the more important thing is, is I am you and you are me and people don't realize. That culture and religion can do that to people that I think everyone's so stuck in their own identity and their own brand now that they don't realize that you're not necessarily looking for a spouse.You're looking to expand the concept of you. Exactly. No, as I say,Malcolm Collins: she's just like my female avatar. Like, even the idea of being trans is so weird because I've like, I've got a girl body. It's right there. I have aSimone Collins: girl body. I have a boy body. Like, what, what's the problem here? What'sMalcolm Collins: the problem here? I want to be a girl avatar in a game.I just make my wife like, I got a girl body. I have full access to like, what, what's the issue here?Simone Collins: Yeah, it's, it's weird. So I [00:36:00] guess the bigger thing is, is how also you and your partner grow together and it's, I think it's really, really hard when you're looking for someone older, because it's really hard to grow into one identity with someone.But I do think it happens. Like, I think that for example, my dad and his girlfriend have sort of melded into one person. You know what I mean? And they met after my mom passed away, so it can still absolutely happen. I think it just kind of comes down to personality, compatibility, shared values, and the way that you live together and what you want to do with your lives.So I would say though, basically the gist of this is don't ever expect someone to think that they owe you because you made them better. Whether you are a country giving aid to someone else or you are a partner making your other partner betterMalcolm Collins: I have a question for you. Yeah status now. Am I less hot now because I'm not higher status than you differentiallySimone Collins: Mmm,Malcolm Collins: I think you're still higher status [00:37:00] No, no, but the differential status difference is lower than when we started datingSimone Collins: Yeah,Malcolm Collins: most women that would make me less attractive.So I'm less attractive now than when we started dating.Simone Collins: Well, no, cause you got hotter like physically. So it's complicated, Malcolm. You'reMalcolm Collins: in the wash.Simone Collins: Yeah. You're yeah. And you're more, you're more successful now. So that's also very attractive. Like you've been very successful at what you. That's what you said you wanted to do when we first met, it's kind of crazy.So you are definitely more desirable. I said, I wantedMalcolm Collins: to take over the world. How far are we from here? Baby steps. Baby steps. Okay. I love you to decimone. Have a great day.Simone Collins: What is going on? Are you wading through the pile of cans in your room?Malcolm Collins: Everything in my room is neatly organized by pile based logic.Simone Collins: Pile [00:38:00] based logic. Simone,Malcolm Collins: Simone. There's a reason why people don't trust women anymore.Simone Collins: Of course.Malcolm Collins: I can't believe Octavian's note for the teacher. I love you and I want to kiss you.Simone Collins: Why did you, is that actually what he wanted to say to her?Malcolm Collins: That's what he wanted to say. I was like, okay, sure, whatever.Simone Collins: Oops. We're on the wrong side now. Sacrilege.Malcolm Collins: Are we recording?Speaker 4: We are, look at that. I'm terrified of forgetting I'm basically narcoleptic right now. Okay, okay, okay.ThAt's the letter Q! Now where's P? It's right there! That's not P. That's E right there. P? No, that's E! E? Yeah, right there. It's That's just the letter Q. It's just the letter [00:39:00] Q.Speaker 5: Can you feel it on top?Speaker 4: Can they see that? Oh, hey! Let's talkSpeaker 5: about something fun! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com

In this episode, Malcolm Collins and Simone dive into the rise of far-right political parties in Europe, comparing current trends to historical contexts. They discuss the Economist article detailing how far-right factions have grown since 2010, eclipsing numbers seen during the 1930s-1950s. They dissect perceptions about these parties, societal reactions, and the shifting political landscape, using graphs and data to illustrate their points. The conversation also touches on American politics, media biases, and the broader implications of rising political polarization. Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. Today, we are going to be going over an article in the Economist and a few other papers that looked at the rise of the far right in Europe now being the single largest political party faction in all of Europe.Not only that, But it is higher now than it was at any point from the 1930s to the 1950s, i. e. during the rise of the actual Nazis by, and, and, and the fascists in Italy and all of that. Now, I will say here really fascinatingly that this is BS that the far right that they're talking about, like the far right, before we go too far into this, like the AFD in Germany, right, is a party that they're like, this is just like the Nazis and the right just keeps going further right.And the head of it is a gay woman who is in a long term with [00:01:00] children, maybe not marriage, but long term with children interracial relationship with another woman and they live mostly in Switzerland, not in Germany. What? That is how Oh, that's so European. nationalist Racist and homophobic this party is.Oh my gosh,Simone Collins: I had no idea, that's crazy that she also doesn't live that much in Germany.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, not that dedicated to German identity. She's just like, hey, but like, well, I don't know. I mean, withSimone Collins: theMalcolm Collins: direction Germany'sSimone Collins: going and can you blame her? She's, it's kind of a testament to where they are right now.Malcolm Collins: Oh yeah, absolutely. So we're going to go over this graph. Actually, like, let's start with this graph . I find it really interesting. So first the question is, is who is the hard right gaining from? Like, who has been losing? When did the hard right start going up?So the hard right really started going up in 2010.Simone Collins: And weMalcolm Collins: see this exponential rise [00:02:00] since then, especially in the past couple of years and it was no real losses in that period. Now, keep in mind, that's a long period. This is a period of 15 years.Simone Collins: Yeah,Malcolm Collins: it's quite a run. And with Trump advance, absolutely killing it.I expect it to continue to rise. I think when we open like calls with people, I don't even know are like political now in Europe. They're like, Oh my God, I'm so envious of things in the U S right now. And I'm on this great thread with all my class at the GSB and they're all these, you know, corpos, this is the Stanford graduate school of business.And they're like freaking out about this and like calling everyone like a Nazi and dehumanizing the other side as much as they can. And occasionally the right. We'll be like. Well, I really don't know if it's like helpful to like dehumanize your opponents, especially the people who are supporting the rallies in our major cities saying from the river to the sea, or, you know, when you guys didn't even hold a primary, the selection cycle, or when you guys literally controlled all of the media and every social [00:03:00] platform, or when you guys, whatever, whatever any of those things are like, I don't know, it's helpful.But like they, no, no, they're like, and they're always so meek, the voices on the right. They're like, just maybe, could weSpeaker: Good morning, Philadelphia. With us today isMicrophone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-3: Malcolm Collins.Speaker: local business owner and a man with a harrowing story. That's right. A few days ago, threeMicrophone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-5: Corpos sent me a chain of emails slagging off our boys, Elon and Trump.Speaker: now, I want to be very clear about something. Um, Mr. Reynolds These pieces of garbage, they don't know who the hell they're dealing with. So these punks I don't know if they wanted money, or they wanted something more sexual. Anyway, I started .Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-6: Magging.Speaker: Bah! Bah! I don't see so good, so I missed. Anyway, you guys all think I'm a hero. And I'll accept that responsibility. Now, were you concerned, though, that an innocent bystander may have Look, crime in this city is out of control.Thank GodMicrophone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-8: We've got two presidents with Trump and Elon absolutely killing [00:04:00] it.Speaker: I don't think one would have done it. I'm gonna go out and buy some more. Okay. And I think you should, too. Don't be a victim. It's time to fight back. Thank you.Malcolm Collins: but it does give me heart. It does make me feel good because I know that these are, you know, Stanford business school, all these people run major companies. Some of them have a ton of money,and that means that they're competent people and they still are so deluded that they can't even like play ball was like the actual ball they're playing ball was like an imaginary, the right is homophobic ball.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Like, it's like, okay, well, okay, you guys aren't even on, on the court now, right?Like you guys are in some other zone, but , I wanted to talk about where we're rising from. So, since the 2010s, who are we eating right now? So, the conservative vote has gone down dramatically.Simone Collins: Well, this is where I get a little confused, because if I look at this without having a lot of context I see basically a mirror rise in the hard right and a mirror fall and conservatives, is this not just the media or other players reframing conservative as hard right?Because these days it seems like very moderate. [00:05:00] No,Malcolm Collins: because it's not a mirror fall, which you also have as a drop in the social democrats.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Which is the center left party. So it's not just eating the conservatives. If you look at the major jumps, like the major jump that happened around, it's a bit hard to tell when that is, like, I want to say 2015 maybe or 2016 that happened at the expense of the social Democrats more than at the expense of the conservatives.It's only the most recent jump that was mostly at the expense of the conservatives.Simone Collins: But isn't it more broadly that anyone who is. Center right or moderately right is now being framed as crazy far rights and but what's really happening is the left is taking increasingly extreme stances forcing notMalcolm Collins: exactly but we'll go over the data on both of this really what we're seeing is a hard right has become an anti authoritarian party.And an anti establishment party. And the other side, like just fundamentally doesn't understand how authoritarian they've become in their impulses. Because, and they're like, what? We're [00:06:00] not authoritarian. We only do it to the inhumans, the deplorables, the whatever they want to call them. Right. You know, but anyway, let's read from this article.Cause I found it really interesting.Simone Collins: Okay.Malcolm Collins: On February 23rd, more than one in five German voters supported the hard right alternative for Germany. AFD, the party, which is under surveillance by domestic spooks for suspected extremism, doubled his vote share since the previous election. This is so much like when they're like, Donald Trump convicted felon and I'm like, what is he fell in for?Like, why, why are they under surveillance? It's like, so you're saying that you've become a. Fascist police state, and this is the opposition to the fascist police state. That's what you're saying when you're saying the spooks are watching them, when they are the party run by an interracial relationship lesbian with Kids, you know, like what are you what are you talking about?Not so long ago This would have been unthinkable in a stable wealthy and moderate country in the heart of europe But over the past 15 years hard right parties [00:07:00] have made substantial gains across the region also an interesting thing in this graph that I was looking at some reddit notes on this where somebody was like well You can see the massive shift comes after the syrian refugee crisis in 2015.This is when you see a drop in democrats, but In Australia, the Freedom Party, FPO, also won 28. 9 percent of the votes in September 2024 and they're considered a far right party and that was the most votes they have gotten since World War II. So you see this everywhere. And in the United States, we didn't get hit by the Syrian refugee in the same way as Europe did.And somebody else said in Reddit, and I thought that this was really good because this is somebody who's like anti the far right said that. So I saw that it was a really good hard right or anti establishment because all the Russian interference and social media bubbles. Side, the political establishment have failed to find a solid answer for over a decade to growing discontent in society because the answers of the hard right parties and the insistence on putting blame on migrants are wrong.. They are the only parties providing answers that are not 40 pages [00:08:00] long and mired in excuses and diversion of blame. And that's true. And Trump isn't even being, like, all anti. He's just handling the effing problem right now. But on my email feed, the corpos are freaking out.They, but they benefit from the existing social hierarchy. That's when, when you're corpo, right? If you have a position in the establishment. No one was even like, I saw what happened at Twitter and you're thinking of, you mean the substantial reduction of staff at exactly the same quality of product being given to us a few months later, she's like, it's only being used to promote one point of view.I'm sorry. I see both point of views. Now, if anything, the only reason it's only one point of view is the left has. self silence themselves by going to blue sky, and that's only recently. It used to be you could only see one point of view, I agree with that, but you know they say, to a person who has lived with privilege, having that privilege removed feels like oppression.Anyway, back to the article. The origin of Europe's recent hard right Surge is [00:09:00] difficult to pin down. Some theorize that beginning with the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009, voters were driven away from the mainstream and towards the extremes by economic anxiety, but this is mixed. Europe is as the richest it's ever been.If you look at economic growth, when contrasted with the U S Europe has been basically static since the two thousandsSimone Collins: stagnant. Yeah. And I think it's. It's just the regulation, the regulatory environment is so stifling. They cannot thrive economically.Malcolm Collins: Well it's that and I think they create an environment which is actively hostile to productive individuals if you're a country that gives money to non productive individuals from productive individuals.But the evidence for this is mixed. Europe is. the richest it's ever been, and hard right parties often win substantial support in the well to do. You could hardly look at the Netherlands, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, per person, and cite economic anxiety to explain this hard right [00:10:00] led government.Yeah, but you could look at their immigrant situation. Like, it's not exactly hard. It's like you beat someone with a chair and are now like, why does this person hate me? They, they, is it all the grapes? They can't care that much about the grapes and terror attacks. That stuff is like a minor, minor, minor.Anyway. Another often heard argument is that the hard right represents a backlash against the migrant crisis that came to a head in 2015. Irregular immigration to some European countries has remained very high. Again, this theory is imperfect. In Germany, like many other countries, the hard right support comes predominantly from areas with little immigration.In fact, the association between immigration rates and support for the hard right is weaker than you might expect. Ireland has one of the largest foreign born populations in Europe. For example, but no major hard right party. The inverse is true of Poland. Yes. Except it might be that parties was a natural, more right leaning tendency would [00:11:00] keep out the immigrants at higher rates.And when they don't have this tendency yet, they have some degree of self preservation, high degrees of immigrants caused them to turn hybrid. It's just that Ireland has no degree of self preservation anymore. And I direct your attention to these maps and graphs here because I find them very interesting.So this is a map of the percent of hard right you have was in a country's voting population with the high ones being France, Italy, Poland and Hungary, very high in Germany, turning higher in Norway, turning higher. Sorry, not Sweden or Norway. Yeah, I never know which one's which I want to say Norway, Norway and Finland.And then You know, in the low end, you have countries like Ireland, Spain is that Greece? Yeah,Simone Collins: right.Malcolm Collins: , I'm not long for this earth. Anyway, so if we look at the map here you see the European democracies, hard right vote share and population born abroad. And there is definitely a core inverse correlation here.[00:12:00]Simone Collins: Yeah. Interesting. And yet,Malcolm Collins: despite the growing popularity, our analyst shows they remain underrepresented in government. Grouping together hard right as a single ideology across various countries is tricky. We drew on the research of the University of Bremen. and populist list, a pan European data set of populist political parties to form a list.We then track the representation since 1920. Based on our list, we found Europe's hard right parties received 20 percent of the vote in recent elections, winning 23 percent of parliamentary seats, but they make up just 14%. So 23 percent of the votes, 14 percent of the seats held by parties that are in power, just two heads of government, Gregory Maloney of Italy and Victor Orban of Hungary.Come from hard rate parties on our list. See chart three. Mm-hmm . Now I note here this means that the hard rate is gonna get much worse in Europe than it is in the United States. Wait, why? You have no, they won control showed themselves to not be [00:13:00] perfect and then lost control issue.Simone Collins: Oh yeah. They're, they're not giving, they're not being given the opportunity to disappoint people.Yes. Oh, I don't know. Maybe that's for the best. What happened with, you know, Trump getting into office and like delivering and delivering and delivering. He hasn't stopped yet. So maybe I'mMalcolm Collins: loving it. I'm loving it. Everyone I know is, what is it? Doge has like a 70 percent approval rating or overSimone Collins: 70 percent approval rating of the American public.So people love Doge. And then when federal workers complain to them, they're like, well, let's. So I'm so sorrythatyou aren't getting your subscription from me anymore. Yeah, I guess that's what it's like for me every day for my entire career in the private sector.Malcolm Collins: I love it. They're like, no higher up in a company would ever ask employees what they're doing on a daily basis.Like, yes, they would. Are you out of your mind? Like, how are you that disillusioned? And I'm realizing that people who are saying this are people in media. They've never had their boss [00:14:00] asked for, for metrics is what it is.Simone Collins: Oh, I don't know. I think people in media have gone through quite a few layoffs and firings, and they're very aware of the fact that if they cannot drive views, they are out.So, well, yeah,Malcolm Collins: but it's just views. They don't have their boss asking them, how are you driving views? Why are you doing? Like,Simone Collins: what are you doing? What, what, what actions are you taking? Yeah, it's more just results driven.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And so they're really disconnected from the way the actual corporate world works.We, we, by the way, as people who run companies have asked all the employees in our company, what are you doing every week at times when we were going through specific, like improvement issues or issues? Yeah.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Okay. So this has drawn and I love this. They're like, they're not getting in the office at the same rate, which is a good thing.Right. And then they're like, But, but, this has drawn condemnation from hard right populists around the world. J. D. Vance, America's Vice President, has criticized European leaders for, quote, shutting people out of the political process, end quote, which they have. Indeed, in some countries, the hard right has been locked out of power.In Germany, for [00:15:00] example, the AFD is excluded from coalitions by the firewall that other parties maintain around it. That has done little to put voters off, but this is hardly undemocratic. How is it not undemocratic? And then I love this. They say, remember, one of the reasons the hard right hates you is because you keep lying, media.But let's make this little fun lie. More than three quarters, so more than 75 percent of Germans, say that they oppose the country's biggest elected party, the Christian Democratic Union, forming a coalition with the AFD. In other words, the firewall is not a stitch up by liberal elites. Okay, so over 75 percent of the country doesn't support them crossing the firewall, but 21 percent voted for the AFD?That is completely implausible.Simone Collins: Oh my god.Malcolm Collins: It's like, are you, like, just assume that people are idiots? [00:16:00]Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, it's only gonna get worse if this gaslighting continues. Yeah. And it's so much worse.Malcolm Collins: Even with minority support, the hard right is disrupting politics across Europe, leaving the question of how other parties should respond.Many mainstream parties have decided that the hard right is simply too big to work around. However, while Germany's firewall has not prevented the rise of the AFD, evidence from elsewhere suggests that dropping firewalls legitimizes them. Oh no! How dare you legitimize citizens! Who are voting in Sweden, where mainstream parties have abandoned a firewall against Sweden's Democrats, the SD, the hard right props up a minority government research suggests that voters now view the hard right more favorably.Wait, after they got into power and ran the government, they're viewed more favorably. I thought you said they were being propped up by a minority. It doesn't sound like that.Simone Collins: Oh, myMalcolm Collins: gosh. [00:17:00] Anyway, so, anything you want to say before we go further?Simone Collins: No, let's go ahead.Malcolm Collins: Okay. So, I'm going to put some graphs on screen here.This one is in the United States, but we're looking at the increase in political polarization. This is from Pew Research. And so this is Democrats political ideology based on annual averages. How would you describe your political views? Very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal.And what you see here is that basically since the 2000s, the Democrats have been getting more liberal. Now, what happens if you go to Republicans with a similar graph? Republicans, political ideology based on internal averages, not the same. It's been staying about average, only getting slightly more conservative.In fact, it's been getting so much more liberal on Democrats than it used to be. That the liberal perspective was even less common in 1995 for Democrats. than the conservative perspective. It was, and it was dramatically less common than the moderate [00:18:00] perspective, only passing the moderate perspective in around 2006 or seven.Simone Collins: No, the Overton window has been shifting way too much on the left. Yeah, way too much. I think this is an example though of how, I guess, modern culture Has this flywheel effect that when you leave a traditional culture and you let go of the guide rails and you're like, you know what, I don't have culture.I don't have a religion. There are no more rules there. It doesn't stop the, the, the spiral into crazy. We haven't found the stopping point yet, right? It just keeps going.Malcolm Collins: So I'm gonna put a few more graphs on the screen. This is from a different study, also by Pew. So in 1994, you can see that the median Democrat and the median Republican were about in the center.In 1999 like, mitosis, you see them beginning. Well, actually, you see the Republicans staying exactly where they used to be.And you see the Democrats going further left. In 2004, you see [00:19:00] the Republicans going to the center. The average Republican position in 2004 was right in the center, and the Democrats had moved further leftThen in 2015 the Republicans are like, eh, and they started to shift to the right. The Democrats continued to shift further to the left. Then in 2017, the Democrats are all bunched up on the far far side of the left. And the Republicans are sort of center right-ish right now. And. If you want to say, well, you can be like, well, has it really worked that way?And let's take a specific issue like same sex marriage. So I think what we're actually seeing here is a shift in what the parties stand for to being an anti authoritarian anti establishment party and being a pro authoritarian, anti democratic sort of globalist bureaucrat party.So if you look at things like same sex marriage support, right now, here's a shocking statistic.Did you know that in actually,2008. So until quite recently significantly less Democrats supported [00:20:00] same sex marriage than Republicans support same sex marriage today.Simone Collins: Yeah,Malcolm Collins: that totally makes sense. In, in. In 2008, fewer Democrats, so this is like within most of your lifetimes, supported same-sex marriage than Republicans supported today.If you go back to 2012, if you go, okay. How many Republicans supported same-sex marriage? Well, actually okay, we'll do 2021 to get the Republican numbers. Mm-hmm . 2021. So this is a while ago, right? You still had more Republican support of same sex marriage in 2021 than you had Democrat support of it in 2008.Let's go over the numbers. So that was a quick shift there, but it also shows that you're getting like convergence, right? Well, and theSimone Collins: conservatives. Aren't what they used to be also conservatives, although they're sort of showing up in some numbers is more or less staying unchanged, not getting more conservative, but just kind of staying where they are.They have actually become [00:21:00] significantly more liberal.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, not liberal. I just say that we don't care about this part of the culture war.Simone Collins: TheMalcolm Collins: conservatives have stolen the gay vote and a lot of people are like, Oh, why do you care about that? Because it's useful and they're productive. And like, why wouldn't they, they, they fund a lot of stuff.They're some of the people on the Doge team. There's some of the people in Trump's government. He's got multiple gay, high level officials. They're Peter Thiel, who basically started the new right there. Scott Pressler, who could have, if things had been tighter, handed the election to Trump. But if we go for, and we're not losing anything for this.We don't need to oppose, like, we're not Sharia law, like, we're Christians here, right? Like, we write, like, we are Christians, like, render undeceiver what a Caesar. One of the distinctive things about Christianity is it doesn't attempt to impose its value system on the population.Through the government, at least it, it attempts to say that you should do this if you want to be like a good person or you want to follow the Bible, but like, it's, it's Muslims who attempt to impose this on the population.That's, I don't want to say it's what we're fighting against, but it might be something we have some [00:22:00] concerns or trouble issues about. So let's look at the stats here. So same sex marriage support in 2014, 35 percent of Republicans supported it. So in 2014, you know, you already had over a third supporting it in 2021, 51 percent of Republicans supported it in 2021 already.If you were only trying to win among Republicans, you couldn't win if you were opposed to same sex marriage. This is, again, why I'm like, why would anybody push this when it hurts them so much within their own base? It's a completely self masturbatory and indulgent position at this point. In 2023, 55 percent of Republicans supported it.But if we look at how fast things have shifted among Democrats, . In 2001 it was 45%. In 2008 it was 50%. In 2021 it was 65%. In 2019, it was 75%. In 2024, it was 83%. Oof. I actually find that number a little low for Democrats. Only 83% of Democrats approved same sex marriage.Simone Collins: That is not what I expected, but I guess when I think back to the overwhelmingly. [00:23:00] Remember Obama that I consumed as a kid. It was still seen as kind of, Oh, this is kind of scary. So I guess, I guess that makes sense.Malcolm Collins: About the Democrat move to the left. And this was talked about in the Pew research is the only, you know, if you're talking to only democratic faction, this move to the left is white Democrats.Black Democrats that stayed equally conservative as they've always been, or actually much more aligned with conservative voters on most issues.And then the Hispanic party is. Well, it's moving to the Republican side, as we saw, you know, more Hispanic males voted for Trump than voted for the Democrats in this last election cycle.I think it was 45 percent overall voted for Trump.Simone Collins: IMalcolm Collins: remember exit polling. So, thoughts on all of this?Simone Collins: I'm a little bit afraid of the post correction fallout, but I guess this is all very normal. Like, I'm already [00:24:00] hearing some Centrist left people talking about the preparation for the post right swing adjustment. Like they were already sort of thinking ahead to that. I don't think it's going to happen.You don't. So how do you think it's going to play out? Because I mean, IMalcolm Collins: think that there is I think that the left Look, the reason you had a swing back to the right is the left acted like effing idiots. They, they went with all this crazy, you've seen this a little bit with the right with some people on the right, like going anti pornography, anti Gooner, anti the Gooner vote's important to the rightSpeaker 2: The Masturbation Network. Keepin America baitin for 300 years. And now, Sweet Bang Tube.Speaker 3: OH, you, that's Go away, baitinMalcolm Collins: the Gooner vote's important to the right important to the right and the mainstream like right, influencers know this who aren't idiots, like, let's say Matt Walsh or something who's like, I hate anime, like, I hate like, grow up.[00:25:00]I hate video games. It's like, that's the right. You know that, right? Like whoever is, what is wrong with you? Are you like, do you have the strategy brain of a child?For people who don't know why the right predominantly watches things like anime over traditional shows and why many anime people aren't in the right is because if you want non woke media or media that wokeness hasn't completely infiltrated and turned into bland slop, you're gonna be looking at anime.And for a long time it was also you were looking at video games until that industry completely went woke and as you can see How far right the gamers are like literally no one is buying these games anymore Life is strange recently did like a woke remake Not that the first one wasn't that woke and it got I I can't remember but like 5 000 concurrent players or something Like really really low.As to how the Gooners went to the right, it was because, well, they were mostly males, and the left just loves ruining the lives of males whenever they can, so they went against attractive women in video games, [00:26:00] and attractive women online, and attractive women in ads, and anything potentially hot anywhere.And I'd point out here that it's not that I think that Matt Walsh is actually an idiot with this stuff, I just think that fundamentally he has no loyalty to the right or rightist causes, and would throw them under the bus if he could use that throwing under the bus to elevate his own status and play within these status hierarchies.Because fundamentally that's what somebody's doing when they go anti Gooner, when they go anti video games, when they go anti anime, you know. Uh, they're, they're saying, I know that this couldn't even win an election if I was only peddling to the right, but it does help me appear to be higher status, or quote unquote more correctly right within certain right wing circles, and I can use that to elevate myself even if it hurts the party.And the same way the left did this with a lot of like crazy trans issues and stuff like that. And we should see people like this, the way the left should have always been seeing the people who came up to You know, , children's reading rooms and devil masks. It's [00:27:00] like, okay, you know you guys,You can personally argue whether this stuff is right for you But like you have to know this is losing us election cycles at a time when like the species is on the lineBut the mainstream, I think id of the right, which I've seen has not actually latched on or defended these insane ideas. Somebody on the right will go up and be like, I think pornography should be banned.And everyone else is like, again, we're not Muslims. Like we're Christians. Okay. Like We give them like a, what, what's wrong with you vibe and the left, whenever they would do something crazy, whenever they had their you know, Leah Thomas or whatever, they'd all jump to defend her, which is not what we're seeing in the right.When people on the right go crazy and take these positions everyone else is like, get out of the room, please. It's the same as like the, Oh, you know, like we should ban gay marriage again. It's like, we're, we're actually winning here. Can we not take a position that wouldn't even win among the Republican base?Like, what are you living in some alternate? Fantasy [00:28:00] world, you would only push that for to win within a status hierarchy at the cost of the party, which means that you are an enemy of the party. Like you disgusting child like, like if you're not helping the party and again, this is different. If you're in like a European or Eastern European country where the politics are different, I'm talking about like, if you're in the U S or like you're in Germany in your, in your taking these sorts of positions, which are just hurting the party's ability to win and, and, and, and.Get dominance so that we can fix the more existential issues that actually do affect our kid, our maybe survival as a cultural group. You know, in Europe, you know, you're dealing with crunch time now. Certain things don't matter at crunch time. That progressives want to get married sometimes and even some right leaning individuals.Doesn't matter. to, to surviving crunch time when you are being displaced at like a record number. So I, I know there, which is why I don't think we're going to have the swing back. The other is, is I look at what people like Trump are doing and it's all just like, it's [00:29:00] not culture war stuff. It's not stuff Trump like really understands the 90 10 issues.You know, actuallySimone Collins: I was listening to more commentary today that did point out that Unlike other conservative influencers, Trump has been very good at staying away from, for lack of a better way of putting it, the ick stuff. Like all the weird, you know, conspiracy theories or anti Semitic stuff.Like he, he just tends to not engage with those things. Well, he's notMalcolm Collins: anti Semitic. His daughter is Jewish.Simone Collins: I know, but I mean. I think there are lots of people who have Yeah, but I think it's more than that. He actively understandsMalcolm Collins: the concept of a 90 10 issue. So, there was this great instance where he was giving a speech, and I really love this speech, and he's in right now a beef with the governess of Maine who is cutting off federal spending to them because they won't end trans participation in intramural sports for kids.And he's [00:30:00] like, I love that they're doing it. He goes, don't, don't broadcast this out of the room. Obviously he's on like live television. He goes, keep this a secret between us, but I really hope she keeps this position to the next election cycle. It's going to do very well for us. No one supports this.He goes, this is what they call a 90 10 issue. He goes, and I don't know who those 10 percent are. Oh, it's the same with Doge. You know, Doge is at the end of the day, like ending government bloat, very much a 90, 10 issue. The only area where they really crossed 90, 10 issues is stuff like the recent Zelinsky spat, but this is just one of those things where I think it really highlights for the people who were skeptical of stuff like USAID and sending money abroad.And JD Vance did a good job of highlighting of you can spend trillions of dollars on somebody. And they will still not care at all the next year. If it looks like the money might be shut off.There is no long term built support by spending this sort of money.Simone Collins: Yeah. The money that we spent got us nothing, no credibility with them.[00:31:00] Nothing.Malcolm Collins: No credibility. Dolinsky, the head, didn't even care when the parties changed. Like, why would we continue doing that, you know? Unless it's just to wear down Russia, which we've already done. And then Europe is like, well, what if this leads to another war? And a lot of it's like, well, okay, you guys will handle it.It's in Russia. They've got nothing. Like, what are you talking about? Like, they've been fighting Ukraine, which is a country like a third their size, with no weapons to start this, with ammunition from like The cold war right that they're still depleting. If they go to war with Europe. Yeah, I'm not really worried.They're like, eventually they'll come for the US. That's what he told the, the, the, and, and, and Trump was like, don't tell us what we should be afraid of. He's like, you should be afraid. And, but Trump's right. How are they going to come for the, are they going to eat all of Europe? Like all of Europe is going to be Russian.This isn't like Nazi Germany or something, like an industrial war house or [00:32:00] something. This is a country that is struggling against a, a developing country. Was a third their population.Like, they have nukes. Like, what if they use nukes? Well, I don't think if they decide to attack Europe, they're going to start using nukes. If they decide to attack Europe, it's because they think that they can gain significant land in Europe, which I don't think, even they are stupid enough to believe. And then the use nukes thing.I don't think the nukes work, and I'm being perfectly honest here.Simone Collins: Wow, really? RussiaMalcolm Collins: knows the nukes don't. I wouldn'tSimone Collins: want to chance it.Malcolm Collins: Just, you know. I wouldn't want to chance it, but I think that everyone knows that there is enough of a, like, come on, guys. And if they do chance it and if they don't work, Russia is being divided and Putin is going to live the rest of his life in a cellar.You know, like, there's no reason for them to chance that particular, sorry, for people who wonder why I do not think the nukes work. If you look at things [00:33:00] like the troops transport and stuff like that, that they were going into Ukraine with, that they hadn't even been rotating the tires that they had all popped, then it turned out that like two thirds of the planes were like not working or like had been replaced with like dummy planes or completely gutted.Or it turned out that like the oil had been siphoned from all of the, the troop transport. So they got like halfway to Kiev and ran out of fuel. Like, Okay, it happened in that place and it hadn't been caught. You don't think it happened with the, with the missiles? And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.It's totally different. Like, Russia I do feelSimone Collins: like there's more ongoing maintenance that needs to take place.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and I'm like, you, you think they weren't checking this other stuff? And it was easier to check the other stuff than the missiles. Like the missiles, you need a higher level of expertise to make sure you're not being grifted on.Simone Collins: Sadly, this is above my pay grade, but I, I guess, yeah. I mean, considering the track record. With a variety of other defense mechanisms and [00:34:00] resources.Malcolm Collins: But there's a secondary thing that a lot of people aren't considering with the missiles. Okay. So if you're a patriot or whatever or you're like a normal person, right?Like you might view it as unethical to grift or steal stuff from like, let's say, oil from a troop transport or parts from an airplane. But your average person with a sense of ethics would probably think it a moral imperative. To take parts from a nuclear missile because nobody would likeSimone Collins: not let it happen if someone tries to make it happen.Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I can see people justifying that to themselves in a way that I can't see with other things. So then there's this whole additional reason why the missiles would have decayed at a faster rate than all of the other stuff. Keep in mind that most of the stuff was made before any of us were born.Just,Simone Collins: like, keep that in mind. Gosh, okay. Well, when you put it that way, it doesn'tMalcolm Collins: And anyone from then until now could have [00:35:00] done this. Or inserted something into it that made it not work that other people might not notice. I'm just saying that there's like a lot of reasons to not really be afraid. And I guessSimone Collins: the biggest reason is the kleptocracy problem that seems to be taking place.That there's just enough motivation to take little parts of things.Malcolm Collins: Let's put it this way, Putin doesn't have an Elon that he can put into like coked up goblin mode to go and check everything. If, if, if they had a doge, they could go and find out if everything works. They could go and actually root out their corruption in the way that the United States is doing.Maybe, maybe Elon should go to Putin next and handle Russia. I, I actually would actually be kind of okay with like an efficient Russia and ending the kleptocracy there because I think it would do good for the world. Overall, you just made it slightly not slightly, but significantly like a modern economy instead of a kleptocratic economy.Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, there's, there's a lot of places that [00:36:00] it'd just be so nice if you could give them a really quick Elon Musk makeover, you know, just trim a bunch of things. And this is something that we see all the time with developing country too, even with infrastructure, where Because they didn't have various departments or functions for, you know, until very recently, they got developed much more efficiently and with better technology from day one, and it would just be, I feel like there should be some kind of sunset date or expiry date.On organizational departments that just sort of forces you to remake it every decade. I don't know, every, however many years, or once you reach a certain number of staff where you were just, you have to redo it. It doesn't matter if it was working fine, you have to rebuild it and you're going to rebuild it better.And maybe some people will be rehired. Maybe they won't, but it has to be done. No. Well, I do [00:37:00] think we're moving in the right direction. I feel very hopeful. And, and, oh yeah, pun intended, I guess, both right and correct direction. It's nice to see miscorrection taking place. I have my doubts about the EU just given, but between the fact that the European Union exists,Malcolm Collins: This thing about the EU, the only way the EU survives, and I mean, survives at like a mathematical level, when we're talking about like fertility rates of different populations, immigrant population and everything like that is if they kick out large amounts of immigrants at this point.And That's not going to happenSimone Collins: though. I mean, they feel like they need them because ofMalcolm Collins: No, I think it might happen, but it's going to look horrifying when it starts happening. It's going to look like a form of far right that everyone was afraid of, but it's the only realistic solution. The left is basically forcing the horrors that are to come by flooding the country with people because they're going to eventually have to be removed.[00:38:00]Simone Collins: I don't think there's a plan or even necessarily a capability for that.Malcolm Collins: That is,Simone Collins: in some cases, didn't you point out like inMalcolm Collins: Germany? The AFD has been actively talking about this.Simone Collins: Yeah, but in Germany, some huge proportion of the population is first or second generation immigratedMalcolm Collins: after 1950.Simone Collins: Yeah, so, I mean, what about all their kids?What about their grandkids? I mean, at this point, it has been happening for so long. The AFDMalcolm Collins: has talked about removing even German citizens that have not integrated into the country's culture.Simone Collins: Oh, wow.Malcolm Collins: That is what has to happen. It's the only real, if you have not integrated, if you want to save German culture, especially with this existing birth rate, the only way to do that is to remove higher fertility populations that do not share that culture, especially if they don't share it intergenerationally, and durably intergenerationally, like, I wouldn't say something like this in the U.S., but in Germany, I don't know how else he survived.Simone Collins: Yikes. And you're forgetting too, though, that [00:39:00] countries in Germany can't even really do things in isolation because they're part of the EU. Now, I mean, Germany has disproportionate power and weight within the EU, but I just feel like the bureaucratic morass that they've thrown upon themselves by.Operating through the EU, there will not be the bandwidth to take the kind of unilateral action that is necessary to, to save themselves from the dynamics that have been put in place a long time ago. I just, I don't really see it working out as much as that saddens me. Like, I, I mean, there are ways, and I know there are like pockets of Europe that are moving in really good directions.I just think maybe it'll become more balkanized, tinier little pockets. That will maybe ultimately reclaim the non functional pockets that sort of go to seed over time. But I don't know. Fingers crossed. I'm [00:40:00] just saying that theMalcolm Collins: left is basically forcing an eventual, of some of these countries.And that is absolutely horrifying that they're not thinking through because they're putting a population in a position where either they do that or are eventually erased just by the math. Why would you be stupid enough to force that in the long run? If you like, unless you were just playing some sort of like short term, like psychotic game.Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, obviously they're not thinking along those lines. It's just not,Malcolm Collins: well, these populations have their own culture. They have their own ways. Like some of them integrate and that's fine, but it's not the other one's fault that they're not integrating. It's not their fault that they maintain their culture in the face of alternate cultures.Like, that's a good thing to have a durable culture, but I can understand why a native population would, would say, okay, you came here as refugees now get out. I don't care how [00:41:00] many generations you've been here, you, we would like to keep some aspect of our culture. Like, why is it their fault that they say, oh, I want to keep my culture?Like, why is that a bad thing? Because they're European, they're German, whatever. Ugh, anyway.Simone Collins: It's a mess. We all know where this is going.Malcolm Collins: Alright. You know what I'm saying is, is, is, it's going in one of two directions. Either the eventual extinction of at least continental Europe as a cultural what I just mean is groups that have different cultural values are going to eventually become the dominant populations in these countries.Yeah. Like, that's not a horrifying thing to me because I'm not from one of those cultural groups and I don't care about them. I don't particularly like German culture. I'm fine with that. But like, that is one possibility. Or the other possibility is Is that the, the groups in power now, like the groups out of power now gain power and they remove the populations that are different from them.[00:42:00]Or the final possibility is they ghettoize the populations that are different from them, which isn't particularly better than the removing them situation. I'm just saying there like, aren't a lot, the more people you ship in, the worse the potential options get. For the existing population, especially if they are non integrating groups,Simone Collins: I imagine that there are potential innovative solutions that could resolve the dynamic.I mean, to your point, or you could say your, your broader families, historical, political point, you cannot have both open borders and generous social services. It could just be that at one point, you Cut it all off. The social services are cut off and that could solve the problem.Malcolm Collins: I think that that would probably be the less bloody way.And I should point out here that if anybody like watches this and like some lefty tries to say he's saying this should happen. That is 100 percent not what I am saying. I am saying these [00:43:00] are the various possibilities given the chessboard that the left has set up. I don't think that these possibilities are good.I think that they are horrifying and totalitarian and they worry me as much as they should worry you, it's just sort of like, you know, you put a ball at the top of a hill and I'm like, Oh my God, that ball is going to roll down the hill the moment you let go of it. And you're like, ha ha, you think this ball should roll down the hill and crush the city below?Like, no, I didn't say, I think that's a good thing. I'm worried about the city below. Stop putting the giant like boulder at the top of the hill. Yeah. Because if the supports break, the city below is crushed.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: All right. Love you to decimum.Simone Collins: I love you too, Malcolm. YouMalcolm Collins: making me curry tonight?Simone Collins: It's curry night.I'm going to go down right now.Malcolm Collins: Oh, I got you done early enough.Simone Collins: Thank you.Malcolm Collins: Bye.Speaker 4: What do you want to say to Indy about growing up? Um, that I love, that um, [00:44:00] uh, I love her, That, um, uh, Indy, is, um, is, like, um, uh, our baby, that is right there. I love her, and I'm gonna, um, uh, help, and if mommy needs help, I'ma like, um, uh, I'ma like, answer, and, and, um, if he needs help, take it, cut off, and he out goes, HELP! HELP!buddy. I appreciate that. You're the best. And he loves you.Speaker 5: And I'm ready to know to Mrs. Donnelly that I love her. Aw. Huh. Yeah, there it is. Oh, it's upside down. Oh. Never mind that. GoodSpeaker 4: job, friend. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com

In this episode, we delve into the unexpected similarities between urban feminists and traditional housewives, exploring the personal confessions and realizations of women who feel torn between career aspirations and traditional homemaking roles. The discussion highlights the biological inclinations of women and the social constructs that lead many to reconsider their lifestyles, touching upon themes like the allure of cottagecore, the cultural impact of feminism, and the importance of having honest conversations about life goals and aspirations. Through personal anecdotes and reflective dialogue, we examine why some women might feel drawn to a 'trad wife' lifestyle despite initially rejecting it.Simone Collins: [00:00:00] Well, today we're talking aboutMalcolm Collins: The difference between, because it's something I've been reflecting on a lot your classic, like, San Francisco, Manhattan feminist, And your classic trad wife is really not that far and a lot of people have been saying oh I want to you know Convert this woman to become a like a good trad wife or whatever and yet what you'll see is that many? quote unquote, like Manhattan feminists want to be trad wise,Speaker: I feel unbelievably betrayed by feminism. I was constantly fed this idea that women can do everything. We don't really need men. I kind of want to go back to some of those, some of those teachers and coaches and say, what the hell did you mean by that? Because We can't do it all. I we can't.Speaker 2: I sacrificed my life for my career and regret [00:01:00] every minute of it.One woman's raw confession after finding herself childless and lost at 40.Speaker 3: What happened? He lied about going to the airport. And? And I said I hope he dies in a car explosion. Lemon, life is about minimizing regrets. What I'm trying to say is, you're young and you still haven't blown it completely.Speaker 6: That is less cliché. I can doSpeaker 5: it.Speaker 6: I can handle itSpeaker 5: all.Malcolm Collins: many? quote unquote, like Manhattan feminists want to be trad wise, even the progressive ones. And the things that they do in their spare time, the things that they associate with aesthetically,Simone Collins: theMalcolm Collins: things that they even think about aspirationally are really, really in line with trad wife values and that getting them onto a trad wife [00:02:00] tract is about reframing those things.And getting them to overcome a few key barriers that are difficult for them in terms of self like internalization and internalization about the world and not about changing their actual desires. And so an example I would use of this, you know, is. For example, somebody's like, Oh, come on. Tried wives are nothing like San Francisco wives.You know, they like making bread. And I was like, have you heard about like the sourdough fad in San Francisco? Like all of the women, Simone, for example, you were like a hardcore San SF feminist, right? Would you say you wanted to keep I everSimone Collins: identified as a feminist, but yeah, I mean, like I grew up. You wanted to keep yourMalcolm Collins: last name after that.Yeah,Simone Collins: I was hyper progressive, so whatever that means.Malcolm Collins: Okay, but you made your own bread in your spare time? I did. You would make pastries for events? What were they, like, cupcakes and stuff like that?Simone Collins: I did, yeah. [00:03:00]Malcolm Collins: Okay, you would you had friends at least who crocheted and created other sorts of Oh yeah,Simone Collins: and all my friends and I, and many of my friends also, I, I enjoyed wearing vintage 1950s dresses with petticoats as my friends.OrMalcolm Collins: historic cosplay, which is what, what would you call trad wife outfits or what you're wearing now?Simone Collins: I mean, yeah. That is interesting. The, I mean, there was this period where you, and I, I dressed very professionally and that was shortly after I met you. And that was because we were both trying to build our careers.And that was the right thing to do. But when you met me, I dressed more like a trad wife. Sometimes, sometimes I also dress like a You,Malcolm Collins: you, you, people would have thought it was quirky. It was like bows in your hair and like, like sundresses. And like, it was San Francisco. But when I recontextualized, like, yeah, but it was also very trad wife.Simone Collins: When IMalcolm Collins: say [00:04:00] bows, I mean, large bows, like foot long bows in her hair.Simone Collins: Hyper, hyper feminine. Yeah. And. Yeah, now, now I'm back to dressing like I dressed before I met you in terms of like, like cottagecore costumes every day, so that's interesting.Malcolm Collins: Even things like chickens. Okay. So do you remember the, the thing at that party where like the women were talking about this new fad were like, you would have to kill your own chicken before eating it to learn what it was like to have to kill an animal that you had to do?And so they would like buy and raise chickens and like, obviously some like very high status. But you could even eat the chickens. Like, oh my god, and you had to kill them and be okay with that? Yeah.Even the hunting was a weird thing. It was like, well, you know, if I'm gonna eat meat, I need to be conscientious about killing it. So, like, I go out and I go on hunting trips every other week or something. It's like, what? And I think that there is [00:05:00] this I don't want to say like on both sides are the dehumanization of the other to the extent that they can't see how close they are, how similarSimone Collins: they are.You know, it reminds me even when it comes to things like sort of mental health and peace of mind that one episode in which, ron Swanson has, has been roped into a meditation class. Yes. And everyone else is like sitting there, like struggling to, you know, concentrate and he's like, I don't know what they were.Speaker 6: all told, we were in there about six hours. And no, I was not meditating. I just stood there, quietly breathing. My mind was blank. I don't know what the hell these other crackpots are doing.Malcolm Collins: . Yeah. It's, it's that weirdSimone Collins: Horseshoe. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: But I wonder, I mean, so I, I, I have a few big takeaways from this. One is, I think. And a large part of the things women want are biologically ingrained in them.I do not think that they are [00:06:00] acculturated to go back to crocheting. You know, whether it's anime baubles or, you know, baby blankets. There is clearly something that's drawing them to this behavior, right? Yourself, you did all sorts of things I would consider arts and crafts. Yeah. It's like very little else I could call it.Like if you did it with my kids, I'd be like, Oh, that's so sweet. Look, she's making little, like pasting various different color,Simone Collins: like carved pumpkins or holiday wreaths or all sorts of things that like, yeah. Trad white moms would do with their kids, but I would just do it with my friends. AndMalcolm Collins: guys don't do this, this stuff alone, by the way, like guys do not like.Get together with a group of guys and like carve pumpkins in, in like SF, like there, there might be like some gay groups that do or something, but that's like, not like a guy instinct, right? It is fascinating to me that even when they demonize the act of motherhood and femininity, that they still do [00:07:00] it.uses to engage in this formative femininity. Yeah. And so the first thing is, there appears to be some sort of a biological instinct here. Whatdo you think is driving it with like the chickens and stuff? Because I do remember like chickens being high status. They were high status to you even when you were like a feminist.Simone Collins: Yeah I grew up always wanting to have chickens, especially chickens that laid blue eggs. I think maybe a lot of this has to do with that sort of very lesbian cottagecore concept.Malcolm Collins: Oh, and let's talk about cottagecore. The cottagecore became like a feminist thing. What is more trans than cottagecore?Simone Collins: But like, also, I don't know, because like, I've come across so many YouTubers who are like, what is more queer than cottagecore? You know, like It is not necessarily considered to be a, a rad wife thing.And I think there's, there's weirdly this like kind of, again, full circle thing [00:08:00] that's going on.When it comes to like sort of that bucolic farm life cottage core thing, a lot of. A lot of people are looking to like, you know, sort of historical women doing stuff in the countryside and they were often doing that alone or just in the company of other women. And there, there is something like they weren't doing it in the company of men and they weren't doing it necessarily with their heavy involvement.They were like men were off. I don't know like John Adams was like putting America together and like they were off fighting wars or doing business or you know, whatever, whatever it is that they were doing and so I think that there's became this sort of feminist fantasy around Self sufficiency on a farm, sort of running your own household, having your independent self sufficient life and feeling really empowered by that.And it could be seen as a very very married thing, you know, when you look at it through the little house on [00:09:00] the prairie lens. Or you could think of it as a very sort of like empowered female on her own lens. If you think about just like Abigail Adams in the absence of John Adams.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that makes sense.By the way, if your people are wondering why the baby's crying so much right now, she probably is sick. Whatever we had last week, if you heard us dying on the podcast, or who knows when this episode goes live, but she just needs hugs. And she'sSimone Collins: very fussy, but she won't accept hugs. She just wants to.Rhyme and scream endlessly. So that'sMalcolm Collins: yeah, she's having fun with it. She's having fun But the other thing that I wanted to comment on here was what this means for dating for a lot of guys Because you know, I saw this 4chan green text that was, you know being played on YouTube and everyone's like Oh, this is so fake.It was of a guy And it was fake, obviously. But like, they thought that the concept was fake. That a guy [00:10:00] met a feminist, and that she secretly wanted to be a trad wife, and that then, you know, she ended up living, they lived together, and they ended up happily ever after, right? And I was like, but that is what happened to me.Like, I met a woman who was a feminist, and just through conversations it was mostly about realizing that the other side wasn't an evil bugaboo and that she could make choices. The biggest thing that you've always described is realizing that you were allowed to choose those lifestyles. These women love the idea of the cottagecore environment on their Pinterest, but to actually live in it?That's impossible. And it's like, well, look, here are the costs of living in these areas. Here are the costs of living here. Like it's, it's not impossible. You actually are spending more here when you can trust the average salary versus the average salary. And now that you can earn online, like, why are you doing this to yourself?It's talking them [00:11:00] through their goals. Both aesthetic and personal and helping them realize those goals are possible.Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): To be more specific here, my early conversations with Simone were not feminism bad. It was what do you want to achieve with your life? What do you think has purpose and value in life? And how do you plan to achieve those things? And then through walking through how she could achieve those things, that's where we realized that.Or by walking through some of the values that she thought were important, , that's where we ran into philosophical issues. with things like feminism. But that wasn't the initial goal. Feminism was the roadblock to her living the life that she wanted to live. It was not something that I just came out objectively like, this is terrible.My goal always in those early conversations was to help her realize her own dreams and help ensure that those dreams were philosophically coherent and, , robust.Malcolm Collins: And not being afraid I mean, I think that there's different categories of feminists, right? [00:12:00] Like there's the I Genuinely hate men category of feminist.Simone Collins: Okay,Malcolm Collins: but I don't think every you know, I think that that's a smaller category to be honestSimone Collins: Yeah, I don't I can't think of anyone I've personally met Who just really hate men as a woman, I have met at least two men who seem to really hate women.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I have two more reasons. I've met more men who seem to genuinely hate women recently, just recently. Now, I'm talking about what I've seen online. Now, online, I see way more misandrous women, but that's because of the content I consume. I find that really funny.Simone Collins: Yeah, I don't, I don't consider someone online to be even, like, maybe their audience believes that and that's what they say.Like, they might not actually feel that. So, I'm only counting, like, people, people whose behavior demonstrates, like, very clearly that they hold women in disdain and that they see women as [00:13:00] almost subhuman.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it hurts him in terms of dating and everything like that, but like, if you're a guy who doesn't feel that way I'd say that you might be surprised at your luck within the quote unquote feminist dating market.That the, the blue haired freaks, who you have been avoiding, may love crocheting anime characters and may love Cottagecore and may love the idea of one day living on a farm, but they are afraid of considering that was the type of person who would say support Trump or something like that. And so the key isn't so much Finding women who want all these things because so many women are just biologically programmed them to it's breaking them out of this box of illusions that they have been placed in that allows them to play this perpetual victim,Which is sort of the spell cast by the urban [00:14:00] monoculture on so many of them.Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know, but like, how would you navigate? Past the women, or would you just write off the women who have like in their profile, like if you even thought about voting for Trump, don't ever reach out to me. Like, are they too radicalized toMalcolm Collins: be? No, some people like debating and stuff like that.Like some women like that are really open to changing their minds, but you will know when you debate them. What I would say is, is you can tell pretty quickly which type of person you're dealing with in a debate.Simone Collins: Yeah. AreMalcolm Collins: they just like all Trump voters are racist. And then you're like, well, okay. But like.45 percent of Latinos voted for Trump, internalize it. It's like, no, but like, can you think about their perspective? Why might they have felt this way? Like why might even, even Latino women move to vote more for Trump? Like, can we talk about outside of this racism? Why some people feel this, if you can break them out of this, no, what I will say is [00:15:00] super dangerous is marrying one of these women as a progressive man.I would say almost never do.Simone Collins: SoMalcolm Collins: don't,Simone Collins: so it's consider, consider marrying a left leaning woman. Okay. Okay. Let me, let me see if I'm following your reasoning here. Marrying a left leaning woman as a right leaning man is reasonable because she's probably going to see the reason behind. All of your logic with time Kind of come around And she'll realize like the toxicity of a lot of her views with time if you're left with time,Malcolm Collins: you don't marry her until she's realized I I guess i'm saying like don't like hope She realizes after you marry make sure that happens first continueSimone Collins: And then if you're a left leaning man, you're just going to make it worse she's just gonna end up hating you and everything in her life and spiral into depression and so Don't because it's almost like she left leaning [00:16:00] women could be seen as like someone with like a precancerous condition.And if you're right leaning, you kind of have the cure, but if you're left leaning, you're like an active carcinogen. And you're like making it worse. You're like a ton of alcohol and sugar and stress on a body that like has potential to develop cancer versus like,Malcolm Collins: No, I, I wouldn't say that exactly.I think that the left leaning guy would think like, well, I've subdued the crazy parts. The problem is, is you haven't popped the bubble. The bubble is the alternate world view, where if you are a racist in America, you wanted to, Disgusting racist fascist which you are if you are in, in current America might not have been the case before, but if you are a leftist today, to any extent, you are a racist, you are supporting a party that supports the systemic separation of human beings based on their ethnic group.the systemic affordance of human dignity to different people based on their ethnic group or sexual preferences. And [00:17:00] that is a worldview that if you are saying, I'm going to go for a more vanilla form of this, it's very easy for one partner to enter a more extreme form of this. The thing about breaking a woman out of this as a guy, where I would actually say, if you are a conservative guy and there is one of two women you're marrying, One has spent her entire life politically uninvolved.The other used to be a feminist, like my wife or, you know, something like that. But Realize the wrongs of that culture had the bubble burst and then ends up marrying you. You are 100, 000 percent safer with the latter than the former. Because the former is still susceptible to the virus. She's still susceptible to gal pals whispering this stuff in her ear.She's still susceptible to picking up a podcast that talks about this stuff. The other one The moment you pop this bubble for one of these girls and you see this over and over and over again, look at our interviews like Peachy Keenan or something like this, they begin to [00:18:00] see like all of the people who think this way is like enemies trying to ruin their lives again.They, they build up a very strong immunity to it.Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-1: Now I need to state emphatically this uni directionality only applies if they have already been fully converted to the urban monoculture and then are brought out of it if they haven't been significantly exposed to it or they have never converted into it. IE they've never really thought about the ideas of feminism or they started as a conservative.A lot of these women do end up going to the urban monoculture. When I discuss this uni directionality, it's only once somebody is fully bought into it. Once they're broken out of it for the first time, that's when the immunity is had. If they have never been exposed to it or never had a full infection, they are still susceptible to the virus.Malcolm Collins: It's almost like it's okay to fish within the urban monoculture. Because getting a fish out of the urban monoculture develops a very strong immunity to the urban monoculture after that. Whereas a fish that was never fully [00:19:00] indoctrinated is always going to be susceptible to that.Would you say that this, have you ever seen somebody who came out of the urban monoculture go back into it?Simone Collins: No, honestly, yeah, it seems to be unidirectional going from far left to the right, and I even see this with like historical, just like social association, like the family members that I had who started out in the Hare Krishna and then ended up as like conservative Christians. I've never seen someone go the other way, like, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of people who were, like, Well, we heard these stories where, like,Malcolm Collins: the grandfather was systemically indoctrinated and his family didn't listen to, let him listen to any other news source for, like, years.But other than that, it seems very difficult to, to get somebody who's broken out of it. But what is actually interesting to me [00:20:00] is, I think if somebody starts far right, even if they start far right as a wife, they are susceptible to this. You are actually, I would say, maybe twice as safe with somebody who started urban monoculture, and you broke them out of it, than you are somebody who starts Far right.And I can think of an example of this, like, within my family. A wife, like, after the divorce, where she, like, adopted all this feminist rhetoric and everything. Remember she was talking to you, Simone, about, like, don't you think you have it harder as a woman? And you were like, what are you talking about?Do you know who I'm talking about? Oh with the house? Yeah, the house.Simone Collins: I imagine that she held those views during her tenure in conservative culture as well Based on her personality, so I'm not sure Would say that someone who grows up very very sheltered though [00:21:00] I mean the one the one case in which you very consistently See people who are conservative move to hyper progressive culture is if they grew up in a sheltered bubble that is conservative, and then they discover that there were a certain number of lies that had been told to them, or that there are other ways of living life that they hadn't yet really seen systematically in good faith.Torn down or questioned.Malcolm Collins: Yeah,Simone Collins: like only just like, this is bad. Never do it. If you do this, you'll go to hell or everyone who does this addict and terrible. And it turns out that's not true. And then they go hard, hard into progressive culture. So yeah, I guess that that's fair. Like there, there's probably a thought among many of the single young men.Single young men who watch this podcast who are thinking, well, I'll just find a nice girl from a super sheltered, religious conservative community. Yeah. And that that would be a very, [00:22:00] very bad idea because then as soon as they get exposed to the wider world. They'll make a lot of assumptions about it being better because that's all the promises that are made by progressive culture are we're better We follow the science.We are correct. We are the enlightened ones. We are the forward thinking ones No one Or you're advertising the fact that it's, you know, actively backwards and racist and anti science and anti evidence and all these things because that's not how that works. So, yeah, I could see that being uniquely dangerous and I, that's a very interesting sell.I didn't know that that's what you're going to make as an argument in this. Or you get toMalcolm Collins: make the exact opposite argument. You get to go to the person who's been indoctrinated and hidden within this progressive culture. Huh. And you can just be like, guess what?Simone Collins: You've been lied to. And that's, that's a very fun sell.Go toMalcolm Collins: that farm you've dreamed of your entire life where you can Yes, work your online job and spend your days crocheting and spend your days, you know, caring for chickens and you know, on the cottage core property and we can have a [00:23:00] big garden and work it together sometimes. You know, that is they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I can have it all?It's like, yeah, we won't earn as much, you won't get the new computer every year, you won't get the new gadgets, you won't get all the jewelry you want. What's the point of jewelry if I'm not showing off to the city friends? But yeah, I think you're right. Which I think is something that just isn't talked about that much or isn't talked about being possible that much, or when it is talked about being possible, people think it in a fetishized context where people are like, well, Malcolm, you built Simone. And like, that's true. A lot, but it was because you weren't given a good framework to build yourself.And I guess my question to you is like, what advice would you give there? Like, how does somebody approach somebody with like an alternative? Like, I approached you.Simone Collins: Well, the most powerful thing you did was ask me what I really wanted, and then help me get there. [00:24:00] From a first principles approach. And I think that's The thing is, is when you ask most progressive women what they want they're not taking the most efficient or effective or likely to succeed pathway to get there.And you can provide them with information on other ways they can achieve their desired end.Malcolm Collins: That's a good point. It start with, if you're like, how do you, how do you do this? Start with what do you want from life? What do you want in terms of kids? What do you want in terms of family? And what you're going to get from these women as well, is of course I want a husband, but I'll never find a guy who meets those metrics.Of course I want kids, but I never find somebody who meets those metrics. And many of them feel this way. Not all of them, but enough of them where you still are offering something of arbitrage within these markets because so few other guys within these markets who are actively dating are interested in providing that for these women, you [00:25:00] know, they want.Easy sex, often, and if you want something else you're providing something that no one else on the market is offering. Oh, that little one has such a bad fever. Here's a question I have around kids. So they might be like, well, not all women want kids. You didn't want kids, okay? When I talked about kids and you're like, well, I mean, if I don't have to leave my job, if I don't have to leave my aspirations to have kids, then sure, I'll have kids.Because that's what I asked her. I wasn't even like a trad path I went down. She's like, I'll have kids if I don't have to leave my aspirations to have kids.Simone Collins: Yeah. And IMalcolm Collins: was like, okay, does that mean you'll support me? And I was like, yeah, sure. Then if that's my backup, that works. Obviously not ideal for you either.But like we, we sort of like negotiated this. And I think that like being forced to think through this, as soon as you started thinking about kids, you were apprehensive about them until you had your first, right? [00:26:00]Simone Collins: Oh yeah. Yeah. Before Octavian was born, I approached you and said, I Can't guarantee that I'll love our son.Like I don't know what I'm going to do about this. And lo and behold, hormones work. And I love him so much as I love all of our children. So, so, so, so much. But I don't think you can really communicate that toMalcolm Collins: When you can't promise it either, sometimes hormones mess up, sometimes men are born Yeah, andSimone Collins: sometimes women have such terrible postpartum depression that they're like, send it back, I don't want the baby, like this, you know, I'm not doing this, and that's devastating.But again, it comes back to having very open and honest conversations with Any partner that you're about to embark on a life with whether you're male or female and whether they're male or female is what do you actually want with your life? And what is your current plan to achieve that? And what, what are more creative ways that could be achieved?And the most interesting things you did again, when it came to the discussion with kids was like, okay, you, you [00:27:00] say you don't want kids, but why? And it was because I didn't want to give up my career. There, there was really no other. Concerned with that. So I think thinking about things from a first principle standpoint, you know, why do you have to live here?Why do you want to have this job? Why do you never want to get married? Why do you never want to have kids and exploring that is important. And I would refer people to our other episode about. The various reasons why, especially young, educated, affluent women don't want to have kids. We've discussed that at length in terms of having that kind of argument or conversation with a young woman.But, yeah, I think another big element of this that shouldn't be understated. Although it's a theme that's coming up in more and more episodes is that you also just have to be good enough as a guy.Malcolm Collins: Which is hard given that women have you know, really rigged the game against you by saying, well, you know, women [00:28:00] have to earn the same or more as men, but men need to be better.And it's like, well, what do you mean men to be when men need to earn more than me? And it's like, well, you just, you f*****g destroyed that you idiot. Like, of course they can't earn more than you. When you've created a society,Simone Collins: well, it's annoying to like men, men both have to earn more than women and have the same or greater education, which it's like, oh, but you know, he like, he owns and runs an HVAC business.No. I would never, you know, like, he's Go become a DestinyMalcolm Collins: Orbiter. Go back to that episode. Go become a Destiny Orbiter. He'll see you on the side. Don't worry about it. You can feel good about yourself.Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, we, our culture does need a reset with education. It needs a reset with acknowledging what one's value is, and also being willing to acknowledge and accept various forms of value or status.Like, you, you don't To, like, you may have a master's and all [00:29:00] these other things. And you need to acknowledge that, like, a guy with a very successful, like, roofing business with just a high school degree, but who makes, like, 300, 000 a year, which is a hell of a lot more than you and your, like, marketing position It is higher status than you at least, you know, on, on many dimensions and you should acknowledge that and take him to orderMalcolm Collins: every meaningful dimension.And I, and I think maybe what we can do as a society here is we need to begin to treat high education guys as a feat as being kind of. It's kind of . It's kind of to have a fancy degree.Simone Collins: Actually, I think that's going to happen. It's going to start happening naturally as knowledge workers cease to exist.Oh my gosh, I'm so uncomfortable. As knowledge workers cease to exist as a profession. I think that we're going to see a return to prestige in what used to be seen as lower class roles. [00:30:00] Kind of like the South Park episode predicted, maybe, you know where like suddenly, like all these people who were seen as low class have all the power.Speaker 10: Hello, gentlemen. What seems to be the problem? I got a lot of jobs here, buddy. This one paid the most today. Pull it together and offer him 20,Speaker 9: 000. Years. Eight years I spent wasting time at stupid college, when I could have been learning how to do stuff. My baby boy! My water pressure! Mr.Speaker 10: Well, it's been busy with my various assets. You see, I've been trying to acquire some social media platforms, hey, did you just outbid me to acquire Instagram? I bet I can get to space before you do.Handyman service, how can I help you?Note here that I do not believe that this shift is going to be primarily integrated. By just an economic shift, although I do think there will be an economic shift for some types of jobs like manual labor why manual labor would increase in value It's one of the few things that can't be easily automated.and it's an area where with [00:31:00] fewer and fewer young people in the economy, and fewer and fewer young people wanting to participate in the economy. And let's be honest, the specification of most men being unable to do manual labor is going to be crunched much harder than other professions. But also what we're going to see is individuals and cultures that are able to value men for male oriented tasks, especially when men have been frozen out.Of the education system and of higher order jobs within bureaucratic systems that those cultures are just going to simply out replicate other cultures and be healthier than other cultures, which will lead them to becoming larger and larger over time.Simone Collins: So,Malcolm Collins: yeah, I mean, I think society is about to have a major power reshuffle, which would be a really interesting episode in terms of, like, how power and status hierarchies are going to transform themselves. But yeah, I completely agree.Well, any final thoughts, Simone, my wife, who I brainwashed out of, I, no, brainwashed out of feminism. You are a regular, free thinking feminist woman, and I brainwashed [00:32:00] you into a trad wife with years of dedicated effort. Do you, do you still have free thought? Is this, is this still all your opinion? Is this the hell that you live in with a crying baby?Simone Collins: This is not the best time for us to be filming this episode with, you know, a sick baby who's not necessarily advertising life. But here's the thing, youMalcolm Collins: still feel this way despite the sick baby.Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think, you know, one thing that I have heard from Parents who, like, are actually living the real, like, they have a lot of kids, you know, and in some cases stay at home moms, is they're like, the big problem with tradwives is they do make things look too perfect and they, they do make things look unrealistic, and they are setting people up for failure, so I guess it's important that people see the crying babies and the, the fussing sometimes, because that is absolutely a part of life just like, I would argue these, you know, [00:33:00] nights of existential ennui and meaninglessness and anxiety as a hedonically oriented single woman are, you know, like no one, no one films that.No one films like you kind of just sitting, being like both anxious and bored at the same time. That's a big part of, I would say like the single unmarried life as a woman. SoMalcolm Collins: yeah, there you go. Love you Simone.Simone Collins: Love you too.Malcolm Collins: What are we doing for dinner tonight? You're going to reheat some chicken.Simone Collins: Yeah,Malcolm Collins: do you know what type or?Simone Collins: Just it might be I can't really tell the difference in the containers because I haven't labeled them I can do that in the future. So it's either gonna be Well one I could just do curry or I can do theMalcolm Collins: The whatever, fiery one. No, notSimone Collins: the fiery one. The one with the Goku chan.Malcolm Collins: Oh, the [00:34:00] Goku chan. If that one is still around, I'd love some. I'm okay with the curry as well. You let me know.Simone Collins: The curry would be for two nights. With a decent amount. So I'm thinking you probably want to do the gochujang chicken because I am also thawing out raw chicken.The problem is I'm going to be doing the gochujang chicken. YouMalcolm Collins: guys don't know, like, she's gotten fire. My wife, by the way, she looked up, like, recipes and stuff about how to make, like, Asian food because I love Asian food. And now I don't even know why I ever leave the house. Like, she is, she's sweet to the kids.She's the queen. I live in heaven because I captured in brainwash, like a little Pikachu, like a, a feminist woman in San Francisco. Love you. ISimone Collins: loveMalcolm Collins: youSimone Collins: too.Malcolm Collins: Your, your life is a horror beyond comprehension.Simone Collins: Oh, only when the kids give us the flu, right? Yeah. Yeah, then. You see how she, she stops crying as soon as she like somehow [00:35:00] intuitively knows that the podcast is over?Malcolm Collins: Of course, she wants our fans to hate babies.Simone Collins: Yeah. Anyway, I love you.Malcolm Collins: Love youSimone Collins: too. ,Speaker 8: She bakes her bread by San Fran's streets, dreams of chickens and fresh beets. Medieval cosplay, veiled or boots, in her garden she plants her roots. A cottagecore queen in her urban space, crocheting in lace with style and grace. It's been mentioned, trad wives, she'll roll her eyes. Secretly, she'll fantasize in her dreams.There's a farm wife with her night in the countryside. But she'll tell you that's not what she needs. While knitting yarn and [00:36:00] planting seeds. Her apartment small, but her plans are vast. In vintage dresses, she's typecast. She claims a man won't hurt her. Don't fix her life while knitting yarn and planting seeds.Her a dough starter, a jar of dreams. Her life's less together than it seems. Cottage fantasies fill her head. But I hate trad wives, she firmly said. In her dreams, there's a farm wide, with her knight in the countryside. But she'll tell you that's not what she needs, while knitting yarn and planting seeds.Is she lost, or is she found, in her hand spun wool gown? [00:37:00] A wife's purpose so profound, Yet in contradictions she's bound. So she'll bake her bread and live in her lore, Dreaming of life with so much more. A modern maiden, strong and free, With a secret wish even she can't see. Isshe [00:38:00] lost or is she found, In her hand spun wool gown? A wife's purpose Life's purpose so profound, Yet in contradictions she's bound.So she'll bake her bread and live in her lore, Dreaming of life with so much more. A modern maiden, strong and free, With a secret wish even she can't see. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com

Kaiser Bauch, a YouTube personality celebrated for his analysis of global fertility rates, joins the conversation to unveil the intriguing dynamics behind these statistics. The discussion delves into how urbanization, education, and digitalization shape family structures worldwide. They explore the cultural influences on fertility, looking at unique cases like Kazakhstan and Israel. The impact of modern technology on relationships and the balance between career aspirations and family planning are also examined, offering thought-provoking insights into future trends.

Uncover shocking revelations about a supposed 'trans cult' within the NSA, stirring debates on diversity and agency integrity. Whistleblowers expose internal discussions on gender identity, polyamory, and controversial workplace chats. Explore the ideological shifts affecting national security priorities amid evolving cultural narratives. This engaging dialogue critiques the balance between personal identity and productivity while questioning the motivations behind current DEI initiatives. Tune in for insights that blend humor with serious societal implications.

This discussion dives into Jacob Hornstein's insights on genetics and declining birth rates, challenging views held by prominent figures. It traces the heritability of fertility from the 1930s to modern studies, revealing how environmental pressures shape reproductive choices. The episode contrasts France's high birth rates with broader trends and cultural influences, especially the role of Catholic beliefs. Personal anecdotes enrich the conversation, highlighting how cultural and societal contexts impact family planning decisions in today's world.

The conversation dissects how OnlyFans reshaped the adult content landscape by flipping traditional gender roles, where men now support women creators financially. They dive into unique earning methods like live tipping, and the implications on male relationships. Personal reflections juxtapose arousal and disgust in sexual environments. The hosts analyze authenticity in online personas and societal perceptions of beauty, while humorously linking modern figures like Elon Musk to historical contexts and exploring the intersection of politics and pop culture.

The podcast dives into the dramatic rise of the AFD, now Germany's second-largest party, and the bureaucratic hurdles they face. It examines the surprising personal story of the AFD leader and discusses the implications of demographic shifts and rising immigration. The hosts tackle the controversial policies of the AFD, including anti-immigration stances, and explore the polarization of political views, even revealing unexpected ties between far-right groups and the LGBTQ+ community. Humorously, they also reflect on cultural traditions like Krampus in the context of German politics.

Exploring the pitfalls of online neutrality, the hosts argue for clear political stances and the importance of accountability. They critique centrist influencers and discuss the responsibility of supporting or opposing political figures based on actions, not traits. The conversation dives into personal insights on loyalty versus manipulation, while also tackling family dynamics with a humorous nod to childhood antics. Ultimately, they emphasize the necessity of standing up for one's beliefs, even when facing backlash.