Rethinking Social Contracts For A Post Demographic Collapse World

In this episode, Simone and Malcolm discuss a thought-provoking report by McKenzie on the accelerating pace of demographic collapse and its implications on social contracts. They delve deep into how current systems, such as democracy and social security, may become unsustainable in the emerging demographic reality. Utilizing the reforms enacted by former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe as a case study, they explore potential solutions and transformations needed to adapt to these changes. They discuss concepts like AI-driven solutions, the role of private enterprises, and even the potential centralization of power. They end with playful banter about family life and cooking. Join them for an engaging conversation on the existential challenges ahead and what needs to change for society to thrive.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to have a conversation that was instigated by something that McKenzie said.

This is McKenzie, the consulting firm, the mainstream consulting firm. The very normal, normal, normal people consulting firm. Yeah, that we don't say

Simone Collins: anything crazy

Malcolm Collins: consulting firm. We don't say anything crazy. We're just coming to you with reports. Some people might have been going around saying that the sky was falling, and we are now here to confirm that yes, the sky is descending at an accelerating pace and that it might make sense to reposition your assets in non-terrestrial positions.

You know that that's, that's where we are in terms of, they said, quote on the call, right? And I mentioned this before the world as we know it won't work in the new demographic reality. Okay. That's not fun. That's, that is really, that is a consult. Jody's like, okay. Such professional

Simone Collins: wording. For the world's ending as we know it,

Malcolm Collins: these prenatally seem pretty apocalyptic in what they're saying.

It's [00:01:00] like, are they really, like, this is really like a thing, you know? And people expect them to come back and be like, no. Yeah, they're, they're just shock jocks. And they're like, ruffling the pavers. The world will not work in the new demographic reality world as we know. It just won work, which small.

Whoops, all. And then they started talking about, well, we will need to rethink our social contracts. And when Mackenzie says that that's like. Do we, do we really need to go to Revolution right now? And the consultant is like, I would be investing in personal you know, like gun based assets gun based assets not, not stocks.

I mean, you know, for your children and your wife. You may want to have a few of those around the house in case. Oh goodness. But anyway, I, I, I got to thinking about this, like, what, what does this reconstruction of social contracts look like? What do our existing social contracts look like? Why will they not work anymore?

And, and [00:02:00] where do we go as a society? And, and so for the people who've watched the episode where I talk about us like, like the democracy stops working in an era of demographic collapsed. It's, you know, we should go into this a little bit. We're already at, and I didn't know it was this bad. In America, it's 1.8 tax payers for everyone.

Dependent. Right now,

Simone Collins: not good. Not sustainable.

Malcolm Collins: This was in 2023. And if you go to 2017. No, 17 2007. It was two taxpayers for every dependent. So like it's increasing really quickly. And typically systems break down when you get to 1.5 per dependent. And keep in mind, a lot of the world is like way ahead of us on this particular rollercoaster.

Right. You know, we're just like, dude. Tick, tick, but other people, the has already started. So, you know, you, you reach a point where the majority of a population is recipients of the state. And they are living off of the minority of the population who is essentially living as, I [00:03:00] guess sort of like slaves of the states to pay for the majority.

And because the majority won't vote away their own rights or their own money or payment, they just don't turn off these systems. And then currencies collapses and you get revolutions and everything like that. Right? Not, not great, which basically makes democracies non-functional. In the demographic reality in which we were entering.

And so I was thinking, okay, with that being the case, how do we rethink all of this in the most ethical format possible? Okay, so first I wanted look into what, what, what is the social contract that we live under in the United States right now? Mm-hmm. Any thoughts before I go further? Simone?

Simone Collins: I have things to say as part of this conversation.

I, I don't know if there's like, additional framing we need. Okay. So, but I, I guess I should ask, are we talking about social contracts between people and the government or amongst people or both?

Malcolm Collins: Both, like, what do you have to say before I go further? I'm, I'm just gonna read out like what AI thinks the social contract we're currently living under is.

But I wanna hear your thoughts before I go into that.

Simone Collins: Oh, [00:04:00] okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think the one thing we can look to, to see how things have already played out is what Shinzo Abe did before he was assassinated, because he was, I think, the first prime minister to really think through how we're going to have to at least begin to shift the social contract, especially between people in the government, in the face of.

Demographic EL lapse because it is obvious that Japan is going to see a declining population. And he had to, well, he didn't have to, but he chose to decide to try to navigate the fact that they would not be able to support social Security the way that a country with a growing population would, which is something we're going to have to encounter too, because I.

What, based on current patterns, social security's gonna go bankrupt by 2036 or 2037. Mm-hmm. So this matters and. What he did is not actually what I expected he would do. I I thought he would [00:05:00] just cut benefits to Indy. That's 'cause you bit metal. Don't chew on that. She's, she's biting the walls of her crib but then getting mad about it.

She's trying to be

Malcolm Collins: true. She's an animal child. Simone. I

Simone Collins: They are. Yeah. You, you can get through it with enough time. Her pickle skewers are pretty sharp. So instead of just reducing the generosity of benefits for older people, he actually shifted to an all generation social security system. So he redefined the focus of social security to serve not only elderly, but also children and families and the working age population, which I think is really interesting.

That it's shifting the social contract away from something that, to your point, basically only benefits the very old and or otherwise very dependent, and instead more supports everyone, which I kind of like. 'cause it motivates the people who are paying for a lot of [00:06:00] this. Mm-hmm. To. Feel not demoralized and your whole point is that democracy and representative democracy becomes undermined when you have one voting class leaching off another Less.

That's

Malcolm Collins: actually really clever. Yeah, that's really clever that he did that. Exactly. So he basic made social security into a UBI.

Simone Collins: Well, no, not, not exactly. No. So he's just trying to rebalance the benefits and burdens of the, of the system to support families with children and working generations because he wants to, one, address the root causes of population decline.

And two, of course make dependent care more sustainable. So the big things that he did one is, and, and this is huge and, and costly. So part of me is like, whoa, he did that because. My intuitive response is, well, we just have to cut as much government spending across the board as we can. I mean, that wasn't his response.

So he [00:07:00] rolled out free early childhood education and C childcare in 2019. So as of 2019 October in Japan, early childhood education and C childcare became free for children age three to five. Which for anyone who's paid for childcare in the United States is gonna be like, oh my gosh. Especially considering like childcare in the United States.

Dodgy childcare in Japan, God tier absolutely amazing. So, and also higher education was made free for students from low income families from April, 2020 onward. So this is making life for young children and even young adults a lot easier. He also expanded childcare and family support, so there.

There was a, a government increase in childbearing allowances that, that sort of expanded daycare access and invested in family welfare to encourage higher birth rates and support working parents. And then this, there also were policies to increase workforce participation because obviously the problem isn't just [00:08:00] warm bodies, it's the number of warm bodies generating tax revenue.

And a big problem in Japan is that. Especially with families that have kids, typically the mother stops working, and we saw this with our friends. The mother would become a stay at home mother and just stop working. Wait, really? Even with like two kids, what's that? Even with only like two kids. Oh.

Even with one kid. Yeah. Yeah, mothers were, and also like this, this happened a lot at corporations too, just kind of expected that like, oh, you're a mother now, so you're gonna stop working here. So the government shifted policies to encourage greater participation of women and, and the elderly, which is important in the workforce.

And the number of women actually increased significantly after the measures were introduced to allow and incentivized people to work. Also, to work up to age 70 and beyond. So I love this 'cause they're also like, guys, retirement, we're not doing it anymore. We're not, we're super not doing anything.

Yeah. No, I I

Malcolm Collins: I actually love this deal. Retirement is stupid. Like, I like the idea. I, I might, I might actually approach it differently. Like I'm not [00:09:00] super pro UBI, you can walk down, you know, like Kim Altman lied DBI video, but like, like UBI seems to make people's funny. Like a lot of people don't realize this.

Your like motivation, like when people were given a thousand dollars a month for three years? Yeah. They actually ended up with significantly less money than the people who were given nothing. And they didn't spend more time with their kids and they didn't train themselves and they didn't, you know, anything like that.

So like UBI, not the best. But it, it does seem better than just letting everyone die or keeping the existing social security system intact. And so I think if you like dramatically cut existing Social Security, said actually you guys are expected to work switched it to UBI, so everyone is like, well, at least if things go bad for me, the system is paying out.

Right. That I can see working. Although, like if I was gonna do it in my ideal world like, I don't know if this would be politically palatable, but I would switch these out to like UBI towns. If, if, if you wanted to take that route, but you're like living in [00:10:00] government facilities and stuff like that, it's basically workhouses.

Where there is some cost to doing this, like I don't think it should be an easy option for people. Now. But otherwise really smart of, of sbe. Right. If I, I'm gonna go to the well,.

Simone Collins: I think it's really important to point out that. Old people have lower rates of dementia and often are more physically healthy.

Typically are more physically healthy if they are physically and mentally active, and having a job really helps with that. It is a better. For an elderly person to be engaged. Now that doesn't have to be being a greeter at Walmart. I think other really great options for elderly people are, say, taking care of grandkids, which is what elderly people have done for.

I mean, arguably millions of years while their children and grandchildren worked out in a field or ran the brewery or the butcher shop or something like that. Right. Managed [00:11:00] livestock. So I, when, when I see things like, oh, well, let's raise the age of retirement, or let's allow people to work at older ages, I think good.

They will live more meaningful, engaged, community filled, socialized. Vibrant lives and that is a good thing. So, I don't know. I, I, I think that this is not just about sacrificing. I think it that really Shinzo Abi was going for maximum human flourishing, helping children, helping families, and sort of getting the entire society collectively to join in on this.

Like old people get back to work, women enter the workforce. Kids, we're gonna help you out. Families, we're gonna help you out. And I, I think that that's super cool. I

Malcolm Collins: really feel like, like there's a reason why Shinzo Abbe has become sort of the spiritual leader of the new, right? Yeah.

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Malcolm Collins: And you wanna learn more about him?

You can go to our video on him because we have a, a deep dive into Hinz Abbe in his life. But like, if you look at Man's World, you know, when we were doing the aesthetics of the new right. It was sort of like a trinity, like big anime girl Trump and Shinzo Abe. Yeah. If you, if you look at the video that we did of like the anime Trump presidency where Shinzo Abe saves him for being assassinated and he sort of treated as like this spiritual guide to the movement because he represented.

Like, bro, like this isn't about like economic liberalism or economic conservatism. It's about trying to create something that works. Yeah. And that, that maximizes human flourishing. Yeah. And we need to just ditch these old concepts. There are people who are anti-human. Anti-life. And there are people who are pro-human and pro-life and, and some of these pro-human, pro-life people work in union jobs and some of them work in manufacturing and, [00:13:00] and, and many of them are not in this oligarchical class.

Right. You know, and, and, and yeah, it's okay for Trump to do the tariffs and, and attempt to help them, you know, it was okay for like this idea of like maximize flourishing. And I think that that Zo Abe was attempting that well and also

Simone Collins: not even maximized flourishing, but austerity in ways that are meaningful.

So the the ways that he increased revenue and, decreased spending, despite adding some generous benefits like, you know, childcare was, in addition to having people encouraging and, and incentivizing women to work and old people to work later into their lives he also added or sorry, raised the consumption tax in Japan by 10%.

Which I think is appropriate. It's like saying, Hey, focus less on consumerism, focus more on life, on family, on work. And I like that too. I, I, I think that that's a great place to put emphasis. Mm-hmm. [00:14:00]

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, I wait, he raised the consumption tax as you get older.

Simone Collins: By 10? No, no, no. He just raised Japan's consumption task tax.

By, what's a consumption tax? 10%. It's, it's like a sales tax, like a value added tax. Okay. Okay. That's, so most of that revenue was allocated to social security reforms, benefiting like that. So that, that addition was primarily to help to pay for all the new, like, childcare benefits that were now released.

So to, to make the elder care part of, of their, their pension system more sustainable. They sort of shifted around incentives, like one they raised the retirement age. Two, they incentivize people to retire later, even beyond that because then they would probably just, I don't know, die before using.

And then three, they raise the consumption tax to make life easier for families in hopes that those families would have more children. Which I think is the, it's perfect. Like, it's, it's really [00:15:00] smart and it's, it's interesting to me and also shout out to Brian Chow of the From the New World Podcast and many other amazing initiatives and startups and nonprofits and AI alignment work to who actually pointed me in this direction because as much as like Shinzo Abe has just been this meme and seen as being close to Trump.

No one else I know has really talked about. The actual social security and social safety net reforms that he implemented before being assassinated that have really put Japan on much stronger footing than it was before he made any impact. Like he actually changed the trajectory of the country significantly and he did.

Their fertility right now is like the highest in Asia, but like a huge margin. And to a great extent that is because of these reforms. Because there's universal univer, sorry, universal. Universal childcare. So I, I'm dying to go to Japan. I'm dying. Like, it, it is, it is becoming a very prenatal list [00:16:00] country.

And I'm, I'm dying to experience it. We've talked about it,

Malcolm Collins: what the countries to reverse fertility collapse.

Simone Collins: I don't know. I think it's possible and it gives me a lot of, my, my, my main area of hope in the world of demographic apps right now is Japan for sure.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, we've talked about this in our episodes that like a lot of Japanese media is very ISTs, you know?

Um mm-hmm. We talk about, you know, basically being like tism, the anime,

Where are you drawing all of this power from?! We evolve, beyond the person we were a minute before! Little by little, we advance a bit further with each turn! That's how a drill works! Mark my words, this drill will open a hole in the universe. And that hole will be a path for those behind us. The dreams of those who have fallen, the hopes of those who have risen. of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams, weaved together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow!

Malcolm Collins: and then another one by the same [00:17:00] team, which was, frank's double x being incredibly prenatal list. Dar darling in Frank's right, and grandma and grandpa turn young. Again, being very prenatal list. So. So sweet. That's a good episode.

Jota, I'll leave the rest to you. Well, if anything happens. Do you want to try it? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, a break. It's a nice dark weather. As expected of my mother. She seems to be doing well.

That's the topic. Grandma? . I'll leave it at the entrance. I'm sure it'll be different. They're coming, Akemi.

Grandma If only one wish could come true If it's a wish, it's already [00:18:00] come true. Grandma, what are we going to do tomorrow?

Oh, if you sleep in a place like that, you'll catch a cold. Hey! Mother! What's wrong, old man?

Malcolm Collins: You should check it out. Like if you don't watch anime, you're like, like what's going on in like Japanese media around porn animalism. Like that's a good one to check out 'cause it'll go deep on that subject for you.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And, and, and it's from two anime nerds because I'm a bit of an anime nerd. Just a little bit.

But, okay. So I will read the social contract we are living under now, and as we go through it, we can analyze why it may not work. Like I wanna understand what, what do they mean by this?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The social contract, wait as,

Simone Collins: sorry, is this as described by McKenzie?

Malcolm Collins: No, this described by Claude, like McKenzie just said, we need to rethink social contracts and like no.

Without

Simone Collins: defining what that was. Yeah. Classic.

Malcolm Collins: The social [00:19:00] contract in the United States refers to the implicit agreement between citizens and the government regarding rights, responsibilities, and social organization. While there isn't a single farmer document called the social contract, it's embodied in various aspects of American identity.

At its core, US social contract includes one constitutional foundation, the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, outlaw fundamental rights and limitations on government power. Citizens agree to follow laws while the governments protect their rights to life, liberty, and property. I. Number two, that, that one obviously isn't like an issue.

Democratic participation, citizens have the right to vote, participate in government, and peacefully assemble and protest. Now, this is one that I pointed out I don't think is sustainable in the new demographic reality that we're heading into. You know, once we have a, a position where the majority of the population might feel.

That they have a right to be cared for by the government. You know, they never vote themselves less money, and then they, they end up. Disappearing eventually because all the people with [00:20:00] money leave, you know, because AI concentrates wealth. And that allows the few productive people to just be like, I'm out man.

Like, honestly, no. If you're personally Right. Are supporting like 20 like non-working people, especially non-working people who are in a separate political party that claims to hate you. Yeah. Who you don't identify with or Yeah. Care about. You're gonna be

Simone Collins: like. Yeah, and I mean, just look at how Gen Z and millennials and Gen X view boomers.

Okay. There's not gonna, there's not a lot of magnanimous giving going on. No, no, no,

Malcolm Collins: no, no. If the boomers, and we know the boomers are gonna be the ones who do this, and they're like, Hey, well, no,

Simone Collins: they're, they're the, they're the ones that are draining the cup for us. They're the last ones out. It's very annoying,

Malcolm Collins: actually.

Well, at least they die before any of the cool stuff happens. God, I'm so glad and the boomers are the last generation to die. Thank God. Christ, they were not very good stewards of our world. You know, they really, you know, we've had this theory that I've talked with Simone about where it's like every generation post boomers, it's become more mature.[00:21:00]

If you look at like gen Alpha today, you see them being more like actually promiscuity is bad. Like actually, you know, the hating the other gender is bad. Like actually, like we need to I saw a poll recently that showed the generation, like right below the voting generation right now, I'd think it was like 18 to like 20.

It might have been younger, it might have been like 16 to 18. With majority Republican finally. And not Democrat. That is crazy. Nothing like this has happened before. I haven't even seen it, but Yeah. But it's, it's, it's what, like, this is a generation that in their sensibilities is very traditionalist

Simone Collins: and

Malcolm Collins: not just traditionalists, but conservative.

And in our generation, you know, I think we as a generation have been significantly more traditional who are outside the urban monoculture. That's just like, went crazy. Traditionalists in the generation before us.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And, and, and I don't mean traditional in sort of like blind traditionalism, but traditionalist in like the way a mature person is like, Hey, you know, maybe you shouldn't have Skittles for breakfast every [00:22:00] morning.

Yeah. Maybe there's a

Simone Collins: reason for the crazy things that people say is that, is that

Malcolm Collins: what Maha is? Like maybe Skittles for breakfast is not the best idea.

Simone Collins: You could say that Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

What's going on? Maybe it's all this stuff that you both eat. Oh, you get off that? No, honestly, it's true. Okay. Moss, what did you have for breakfast this morning? Smarty Cereal. Oh my God. I didn't even know Smarty made a cereal. They don't. It's just smarties and a bowl with milk.

Malcolm Collins: I, I just want our kids to have fruit loops. Okay. Not fruit loops, but like, fruit, fruit, rollups and like juice and squeeze it.

And squeezes don't exist anymore. Did you guys know this? This is sad. At least they're still Twinkies. I can get them Twinkies, right? Simone? Like, why can't I just give them fun foods instead of just your, your, your. Poison of, of vegetables and FARs. What they're gonna [00:23:00] die if they eat that. Monkeys eat that.

Simone.

But anyway

Simone Collins: I don't, don't even gimme star. I,

Malcolm Collins: we

Simone Collins: can't.

Malcolm Collins: This, this beautiful face here. This body is made up of Pop-Tarts and fruit rollups, Simone. That is, that is

Simone Collins: what could you have been, were you given slightly better resources as a child? The potential, maybe the behavioral problems you wouldn't have?

I, I don't know. I just

Malcolm Collins: I did not, I had, I had adults with behavioral problems. I didn't have behavioral problems. And what did they eat? They ate Italian food and this is why Italy is falling apart empty carbs. True. Actually, I guess you're right. You know, I don't know what's Italian,

Simone Collins: Malcolm we're going to what Claude says our current social contract is. So we have a baseline Oh, taxation.

Malcolm Collins: Like we need to reinvent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was talking about democratic participation. I'm like, demo [00:24:00] democracy as we understand it, I do not think will continue to work. You know, I, I think that we're seeing sort of a.

And, and this is what's really interesting. I think we're seeing a post democratic alliance beginning to form in opposition to, so I think there's sort of like three big power groups. Okay. Okay. I think there's the never democracy group and I think people assume that the post democracy group is gonna be, become like the never democracy group.

Simone Collins: Hmm. This is

Malcolm Collins: like your North Korea, your, you know, like that, that sort of a thing, right? Like, Russia, I mean, it had like a democracy for a period, but it didn't like. Really transition to a post democracy. These are demographically the equivalent to the countries that are high fertility because they didn't get their economy figured out.

Mm-hmm. And are just like desperately poor. And that's why they're high, high fertility. And then there's gonna be other countries like Israel that like went through the demographic dip, like they got all of the wealth and then they found a way out of it. And I think the US will eventually get to that position as well, that they find a way to motivate fertility in spite of.

Wealth and prosperity. And [00:25:00] so I think that in the same way that you have this group that's like, we found a way to motivate fertility in spite of wealth and prosperity you're gonna have this group that leaves democracy because they see that functionally it's not working anymore. Yeah.

They're, they're, they're, they're being pragmatic. They're

Simone Collins: not being, pessimistic or, or romantic about things. I'm sure they would've preferred democracy had it worked, most of them at least. Right?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I think the first country that we're seeing on this list is, is El Salvador. Which we're seeing from a really tight partnership with Trump which may be prophetic of what might be coming.

Hmm.

Simone Collins: Wow,

Malcolm Collins: that's interesting. Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, like El Salvador, like if you, you know, the people in El Salvador are like this current president, right? I think they're into it. Yeah. It would, it would seem. If, if you look at like the murder rates, how much they've, like, progressive will be like, he can't just like lock up everybody who commits a crime.

Like what?

Simone Collins: Watch me do it's watch me

Malcolm Collins: What? Watch if like Trump did that was all these like people who are like raiding like New York? I, well, no, I love that. Remember when [00:26:00] he

Simone Collins: was sitting next to. To the El Salvadorian president. He's like, next up it's Americans. We got a lot of bad guys that are our own.

It's just great.

Malcolm Collins: Build more prisons. What a great way to handle prisons. Outsource them to another country. I mean, and El Salvadorian prisoners are actually really nice. Like you were talking to me about them.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, I guess there are some really bad ones, but I saw a, a YouTubers, like, it was a long, it was like an hour long video where he goes through an El Salvadorian prison and he, he tours the various classes.

They're learning how to, you know, become plumbers and assemble toilets. They're doing first aid classes and they're learning basic CPR and, and, and health and First aid. They are, they're learning how to be service professionals and then they, he, he went to their their. Farm where they make all of the food for the prisons from farm to table.

They grow the food, they have the chickens, they have the cows. They're using fresh milk. The food they were. Making looked amazing, and it's all fresh food, like made by

Malcolm Collins: prisoners. And I'm like, wait a second. They're,

Simone Collins: these are, [00:27:00] they're learning practical trades. They had a band, the band performed, they're learning practical trades.

This is like a commune. Like it looks neat. It it did, yes, it, but like a very productive commune. A very productive all male commune. And the people, they were like, yeah, I mean obviously it's propaganda. So the people were like, yeah, this is great, whatever. But like, it actually, I'm like. How do I sign my kids up for a summer here like this looks great.

They have the lessons, they have the order they have the, the, the cooking classes. They have the, that would

Malcolm Collins: look great on a college application. I spent a summer in an El Salvadorian prison.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Intentionally. Intentionally. Yeah. It's, it's wild. I, I need to send the video to you. I'm watching it thinking like, ah, yeah, I'm gonna see just how terrifying it is.

And I see, because, you know, the, all of the headlines that we saw are like men being squeezed together, half naked in this very inhumane way. Men in cages, like shoved into really tight, it looks. [00:28:00] Progressives make up. They just make it up. Well, no, listen, I don't, I don't think those photos are made up. And I do think that, no, Don think those photos are real, but they take, like people, they probably break people down pretty significantly before they start building them up again.

But I don't know, like I sometimes when, when you hit rock bottom or when you end up, you know, addicted to drugs or in like a really dark place in your life, that kind of jarring. Trauma, for lack of a better word, is an important part of the process. That there's this huge disruption and this huge anchoring contrast of true rock bottom.

And then from there, you know, you're glad to be entering a life of structure and discipline. 'cause it's a lot better than that. That rock bottom period. And the. Then the cages, which really sucked. I know

Malcolm Collins: me saying that we need to rethink the social contract. This is a McKenzie thing. We need to rethink the social contract.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But [00:29:00] without any of the inconveniences, McKenzie's like, oh, we have to rethink this without talking about any of the location. What

Malcolm Collins: part of the they, they don't mean that constitutional foundation, they, they might mean democratic participation. Well, we'll go over the other parts. What, what could they have meant by this?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think that's what they mean is democratic participation. And I think that we're gonna see a.

Simone Collins: Well, for sure it's social Security for sure. It's stock markets in the economy. I think there's, there's, there's a lot. I, I don't actually, I, I would be surprised if McKinsey was thinking that far ahead to democracy because they're very mercenary in their focus.

So they're trying to sell to people who are manufacturing diapers. Oh, no, I, doing very short term stuff. I

Malcolm Collins: think they were, I think they, I I absolutely think they were. I mean, it's just so obvious that the democratic system isn't gonna work in a post demographic collapsed world. To

Simone Collins: you. No one, no one else.

In this movement has talked about it. I mean, aside from Curtis Jarvin, who's not talking about it in the context of demographic labs, he's talking about it in the context of ideal design. So,

Malcolm Collins: and again, I'm not saying [00:30:00] I like this. Democracy has done great things for human civilization. I like that. If demo, if demographics were stable, I think democracies could stay stable.

But we are forcing the hand of sort of the, the reality. It's the same way that, like me pointing out that in Europe when you import tons of people from a different culture and a culture that does not want to acclimatize to your culture, does not want to convert to your culture. And they. Are antagonistic to your culture and you import them and they have a higher fertility rate than the native birth culture.

Eventually either the native birth culture is eradicated or they violently expel these individuals or expelled them in, in some means. Right. And, and there is almost no way to expel people at the scale that things have gotten in Europe. Mm-hmm. That doesn't look horrifying. Mm-hmm.

Simone Collins: Like.

Malcolm Collins: Progressives are teeing up a genocide and like, I'm like, why are you doing this?

Like, you can't, like, it's the same with with the demographic collect saying they are, they are teeing [00:31:00] up fascism. I'm like, I don't want fascism. I don't want genocides. Stop teeing this up. Stop making this an inevitability. Stop importing people who don't want to join the local culture. Right? Like. Stop creating a demographic scenario where eventually the majority of the population will be on social services and democracy will stop working, right?

Like this is, this is

Simone Collins: so I'm with you. But yeah. No one else seems to be So are, are we the crazy one? Why, why

Malcolm Collins: am I the only one who can? Well, how

Simone Collins: Malcolm, how can it be that your class of Stanford grads. Just can't understand demographics. I'll

Malcolm Collins: tell you how I can be. I have said so many times I, in a simulation that's just built to make my life awesome.

I feel like this is hungry Apples from Jerry's simulation, right? Like, like there's a Rick and Mor episode where Jerry is simulated on like minimum capacity to make his life as easy as possible. So, [00:32:00] so I literally just go out and I'm like. Oh, look at these numbers, right? Like, civilization's gonna collapse if we keep going at this rate.

Like, and, and people are like, no, and I'm like, it, it's very obvious. I'm not that smart. I shouldn't have been the first person on earth to, so you, you

Simone Collins: think that your demographic collapse warnings are the equivalent of hungry for apples. Wow. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: It literally is, it's the most obvious thing in the world.

So far he hasn't noticed. He's in a simulation. Well cap sectored, 5% processing. Keep his settings on auto national America. Welcome to our agency. I'm

Malcolm Collins.

Alright, I'll just get to the pitch. Um, simple question, gentlemen

What are we? We are humans. We therefore would not want a world without humans.

Well say something. Do you like it? Yes, you do. Yes. Yes. So I sold it. I sold the idea. Yes. Oh my God. Thank you. You are welcome. Thank you. [00:33:00] You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.

Hello. Guess who just sold the

humans. Campaign? Who just sold the

humans.

campaign? Me,

Malcolm Collins: oh, civilization is about to collapse. Look at the number of people, the unit of civilization, and then, and then the group against me is like, humans are bad. And I'm like, actually, humans are good. Like, that's not a, like a shocking statement or anything like that. Yeah. There, I almost

Simone Collins: prefer that you believe this simulation thing instead of the dark truth of what a huge segment of.

Scared, develop world humanity beliefs. People think

Malcolm Collins: the world would be better without any humans,

Simone Collins: 70% of a census representative population in the us. I think that in other countries people are a little bit more reasonable. I hope so, at least, but we'll see.

Malcolm Collins: But yeah, I mean, I come out here and I say this stuff and everyone's like, you're a rubber test.

You racist? Racist. And I'm like, Ugh, come on. Can we just like engage with the information here? [00:34:00] Like this is, this is I, yeah, but the, the obviousness of all of this,

Simone Collins: so. How does the social contract need to be reinvented?

Malcolm Collins: Okay, next, next point is the social contract taxation and social services citizens pay taxes. And in return, the government provides public services like infrastructure, education, national defense, and certain social programs. Well, I think that this part of the social contract is actually what's gonna change the most.

I think that we're gonna go to a system that only gives back to people who pay taxes. I don't think it makes sense to have a system that, that services people who are net drains on the system.

Simone Collins: I see this as feasible, but not in a way that's gonna scare people in that. I think that we're gonna see. Basically AI pleasure induced sterilization.

And that will create like an option for people to essentially go into what we've talked of as like pleasure pods. Like, like made in like, maybe like a, you know, a capsule hotel style building where you're in a [00:35:00] constant VR environment with a haptic suit and a catheter hooked up and a feeding tube, and you're just kind of like living in paradise.

And, you know, you, you eventually will die and you won't reproduce, you won't have kids. And then this, this huge segment of what used to be a independent population will be sterilized and all that will be left are those who choose to strive and work and, and in this case be tax generators for whatever government or city states they live within.

So I, I think it's more that like, but I, what I, what I think will also happen is that governments will just dissolve and then basically communities will be forced to take care of their own. And so there, there will be dependence in any population because I think people are also empathetic and they care.

They care for their own. So in places where governments just crumble, you're just going to have extended family clans and communities taking care of dependents, taking care of the elderly and the sick, and they're not gonna be able to do so as well as. Many wealthy governments now. So yes, a lot of people will die.

But it's not like people are just gonna be [00:36:00] abandoned because people are actually, mostly nice people actually care.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And if you wanna see our, our longer take on this, you can watch our, our episode on Made, which is this Canadian is such a suicide program. It's the question if homeless people are sad, is it okay for the government to kill them?

Like, okay, next one is . Rule of law, all citizens, including government officials and rich people, are subject to the same laws in forth through an independent judiciary, which, you know, obviously this is, this is why Luigi was such a thing, because people don't feel that this is true anymore.

We don't feel that everyone is actually subject to the same laws. We don't feel that the CEO who is killing people was subject to the same laws as the average person. And so people are like,

if you have no way to remediate this extra judicial measures seem appropriate to many people.

Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And you're gonna see more vigilante justice and vigilante action. And maybe also like as, as police departments lose their funding as fire departments lose their funding. But we're gonna [00:37:00] see again, is a rise in private security and a rise in maybe fire departments like there were in, early Philadelphia and I didn't know that there wasn't just one private fire department because, so if you walk around Philadelphia and you look at some of the old houses, some of them have these.

Stone medallions over their doors. Those are remnants from the old fire firefighting system where if you didn't pay your fire insurance and, and you had a house that was burning down the, the, you just, no one would come and help you. And so maybe people will start paying for services like that. In fact, there were some, I learned this fire, fire companies in Philadelphia.

'cause there were multiple that, formed to serve houses that had trees in front of their homes because there were some companies that were like, got a tree in front of your home. I'm not gonna, even if you don't. There were some that were like focused on different ethnicities, like maybe like the Irish versus whatever.

And they like threatened to [00:38:00] take each other out or like tried to burn down each other's like fire. Fire.

Malcolm Collins: That's hilarious.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So like, but I do like we, we have been here before, we have lived with governments that don't take care of everything before and we will. Entrepreneurially and creatively develop solutions around that.

What's gonna be really interesting is that we're gonna be super powered with AI when this happens. So it's gonna be very different than it was before. It's not just gonna be this low tech like crew of men running around with a bunch of hoses, or like a big fire tank. This could be a series of drones. It automatically comes to your home when your smoke detector goes off, or when your ai, very interesting.

Camera detect. Yeah. Like, I think it's like maybe a, a Boston Robotics dog is gonna come in and spray everything down with like some modern fire extinguishing foam. So. I think it, it's gonna be interesting and I agree with you. This is definitely something that needs to be Reed again, but I think it's gonna be something that is gonna be [00:39:00] entrepreneurially, like privatized and the solutions are gonna be quite interesting.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And, and, and the final one here that I think is interesting is, is federalism power is divided between federal and state governments providing different levels of authority and responsibility. I think we're already seeing this breakdown, like if democracy is the problem, right, you know, you, you centralize the authority.

And whether it's in El Salvador at the United States, I believe we're seeing a centralizing of the authority around the executive branch. I don't know if this is like ethically the best way, but it seems to be the way that things are naturally going right now. So I think we're gonna see two things happen simultaneously.

Local things getting more power and federal things getting more power and, and, and state and congress and senate mattering less and less, becoming more like the Roman Senate to be honest, during the Imperial era.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that makes sense. I, I could definitely see that. And I also, I think that family contracts are gonna change significantly because at least.[00:40:00]

In the United States with, I think with the beginning of the baby boomers, there was just this perception of like, I'm always gonna be on my own. I'm always gonna do my own thing, every person, every man for himself. And we're gonna lose that outta necessity. Not necessarily because we want to, but because we have no choice.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. All right, well that's all I have to say on the subject. Anything else you have to say, Simone?

Simone Collins: No, the watching videos of her siblings has ceased to entertain indie, so I will not get worded

Malcolm Collins: dinner tonight. Tonight

Simone Collins: I'm from scratch doing your mango curry with all those crazy steps, but, but this time it's gay.

I mean, it's, it's gay. I mean, no, it has pineapple and it's gonna be

Malcolm Collins: great.

Simone Collins: Wait, you

Malcolm Collins: doing mango curry again?

Simone Collins: Yeah, I'm, I'm doing the whole recipe again because I don't wanna just thaw out the stuff that I did. And we still had a little bit of mango puree and coconut cream left, so I'm like one. You got, you got special yogurt, special puree, and special coconut cream.

Just for this. I'm not gonna [00:41:00] waste the refrigerator. Yeah, let's do it. I love it. Yeah. So I have the chicken marinating already. I made the urinating of time of the onion and the. Like spices and yogurt. So now all I have to do is start with the coconut cream and the tomato paste, and then add the mango.

And then at the very end we're gonna add, I'm assuming at the very end we had the pineapple. We don't want it to be like breaking down. Not, not

Malcolm Collins: very, very end, like middle end. Want it to soften? I don't know what could pineapple like? Yeah. You do want it to soften. Pineapple's pretty hard.

Simone Collins: Do you want me to put it in with a chicken then?

Like around that same time? Yeah, I think

Malcolm Collins: that's an appropriate time to put it in or a little bit after.

Simone Collins: Okay. All right. So I will do that. So I'm gonna get down as soon as I can so that I can get that going for you.

Malcolm Collins: I've never cooked pineapple, so I don't know how it's gonna react, but I think that this is the time I would put it in.

Right. I mean, you said

Simone Collins: you wanted this. The good thing is this will not adulterate the original batch, of which there are free three frozen servings. So. So excited.

Malcolm Collins: So excited. Yeah. You're really good [00:42:00] at all this, you know that you're like a loving wife. I'm, see how batch two goes? I, I don't, you know, you're like a loving wife.

Notice I didn't say you are a loving wife. I don't wanna mean well, because I'm

Simone Collins: autistic and therefore, one, I don't have a soul in two, I'm incapable of love and imagination. Well, you know, mother, you know,

Malcolm Collins: RFK, he got in trouble for saying autistic people don't pay taxes. He did. He's saying autistic people don't get married and autistic people don't pay taxes or something.

Like they don't have kids. He said that, they're like,

Simone Collins: on what grounds? He's like, my mom. You know? He's like, oh yes. And maybe it's a generational thing, you know. Boomers, what can you say? I'm like, you know, Elon, your, your partner is autistic, right? Like, I mean, I don't know how close Kennedy and Elon Musk are anyway, but Yeah.

All right. Indy's attacking me. Alright. My beautiful.

Oh, look at her. She loved that. She's in, she, she just wants to fight like the rest of our kids.

She's crazy. Okay. I'll see you downstairs. I love you. You, [00:43:00] hi ya.

Happy birthday. Can you say, too toasty? Happy birthday, Jan. Yay. Happy birthday, Diana.