
Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! (Assessment, Feedback, Grading, and Learning)
The Tom Schimmer Podcast is a show about learning, leadership, and life. Primarily, it’s a podcast that focuses on current topics in K-12 education. Each week, Tom Schimmer (a best-selling education author, keynote speaker, and consultant) will lean on his 30 years of experience to keep listeners informed and entertained on the prevailing stories dominating the conversations about teaching and learning. This podcast also focuses on educational leadership by exploring how leaders can truly engineer a culture of continued professional growth. Occasionally, this podcast will explore the pursuit of success and happiness as it relates to any walk of life. Through a mix of interviews, commentary, current news stories, questions from listeners, and other segments, listeners will be well-equipped to meet the needs of learners regardless of what role they serve.
Latest episodes

Jan 10, 2022 • 1h 11min
Impact | Andrew Maxey | Overcorrection
In Don't @ Me (2:17), Tom opens this week by sharing his #OneWord for 2022. Then, Tom is joined by educator and author Andrew Maxey (11:52) for a conversation centered on his newly released book, "Elephant in the Classroom: Tracing the Complexity of Teaching by Exploring 13 Competencies and Practices." Finally, in Assessment Corner (58:47), Tom addresses what he sees as an overcorrection in the field with our assessment practices and why trading one restriction for another is counterproductive.
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Dec 13, 2021 • 1h 17min
Here We Go Again | George Sugai (Pt. 2) | Your Assessment Journey
In Don't @ Me (1:52), Tom opens with a recent experience that reminded him that even the smallest connections can make the biggest difference. Then, Tom is joined by George Sugai (12:24) in part two of their conversation about PBIS; they specifically talk about positive reinforcement & the critical role of Tier 2 interventions. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:08:11), Tom focuses on every educator's assessment journey and the one piece of advice that matters the most!
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Dec 6, 2021 • 1h 11min
I‘m Doing That! | George Sugai | Think They‘re Right
In Don't @ Me (2:11), Tom opens by recounting his work with George Sugai in the early 2000s and describes why George is on his Mount Rushmore of career influencers. Then, Tom is joined by George Sugai (14:04) in part one of their conversation about the origins of the OSEP Center for Positive Behavior Interventions and Supports. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:04:28), Tom focuses on the importance of student mindset and belief and how it greatly influences their receptivity to feedback and their willingness to keep learning.
George Sugai does not have a web or social media presence.
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Nov 29, 2021 • 1h 19min
If Not Ed | Hedreich Nichols | Myths of Summative Assessment
In Don't @ Me (2:11), Tom opens this week by talking about what career he would have chosen had he not gone into education. Then, Tom is joined by author and podcast host Hedreich Nichols (14:14) for a conversation about the anti-racism work and what it means to be a culturally responsive educator. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:02:55), Tom deconstructs six myths of summative assessment and what the research actually says about using assessment evidence to verify and report.
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Small Bites Podcast on Anchor.FM: Small Bites
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Nov 22, 2021 • 1h 9min
What‘s Happened to Us? | Brian Butler | Common Assessments
In Don't @ Me (3:50), Tom opens this week by questioning why we've collectively become so brazen and disrespectful towards others. Then, Tom is joined by friend and colleague Brian Butler (16:03) for a conversation about why gifted education should be the floor for all learners if we are to achieve true equity in our schools. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:00:35), Tom talks about common assessments not just as an efficient way to increase student achievement, but an effective way to create an authentic collaborative culture amongst educators.
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Nov 15, 2021 • 1h 1min
Milestones | Garnet Hillman | Engineering Conversations
In Don't @ Me (2:41), Tom opens this week with some thoughts about reaching milestones as the podcast hits its 50th episode. Then, Tom is joined by friend, colleague, and co-author Garnet Hillman (12:30) for a conversation about assessment and grading. Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:36), Tom focuses on engineering classroom conversations as a way to elicit formative assessment evidence.
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Congratulations to the 12for12 winner Hiedi Bodnarchuk. You can follow Hiedi on Twitter: @HiediBods
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Nov 8, 2021 • 1h 11min
Machinery of Achievement | Pav Wander | Acceptable Alternatives
In Don't @ Me (3:48), Tom opens this week with a reminder that educators have more influence and control over the machinery of student achievement than some might think. Then, Tom is joined by teacher and podcast co-host Pav Wander (17:43) for a conversation about teacher-voice. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:00:30), Tom focuses on the importance of acceptable alternatives in assessment and grading reform.
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12for12 Challenge (50th Episode)
(1) Post a picture on Twitter, Instagram (NOT IG story b/c those disappear), or Facebook OR a video on TikTok (yes, the podcast is on TikTok) of what you typically do while listening to the podcast. E.g., Twitter - Something like Hey @TomSchimmerPod, I love listening to the podcast while on my commute to/from work every day OR Hey, @TomSchimmerPod, I love listening to the podcast while I work out or whatever. You have to tag the podcast - Podcast handles. I’ll check you are following the podcast too; that’s a must.
(2) Then, you have to get at least 12 people in the next 2 weeks to subscribe to the podcast and post about it. 12 hours of coaching – 12 people. It might sound something like this: I just subscribed to the @TomSchimmerPod. Thanks (tag you - @mybestfriend) for the recommendation! They don’t have to post a pic but that would certainly be cool if they did.
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Nov 1, 2021 • 47min
EduDivisiveness | Doug Reeves (Pt. 2) | Assessment Relevance
In Don't @ Me (6:22), Tom takes aim at the (intentional or otherwise) divisiveness that seems to be emerging within the education profession, especially on social media. Then, Tom is joined by Doug Reeves (15:38) part two of their conversation; this week centers on leadership and implementation of change. Finally, in Assessment Corner (39:05), Tom highlights the importance of relevance in assessment design.
Doug on Twitter: @DouglasReeves
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Website: www.creativeleadership.net
50th Episode Contest (12 for 12)
(1) Post a picture on Twitter, Instagram (NOT IG story b/c those disappear), or Facebook OR a video on TikTok (yes, the podcast is on TikTok) of what you typically do while listening to the podcast. E.g., Twitter - Something like Hey @TomSchimmerPod, I love listening to the podcast while on my commute to/from work every day OR Hey, @TomSchimmerPod, I love listening to the podcast while I work out or whatever. You have to tag the podcast - Podcast handles. I’ll check you are following the podcast too; that’s a must.
(2) Then, you have to get at least 12 people in the next 2 weeks to subscribe to the podcast and post about it. 12 hours of coaching – 12 people. It might sound something like this: I just subscribed to the @TomSchimmerPod. Thanks (tag you - @mybestfriend) for the recommendation! They don’t have to post a pic but that would certainly be cool if they did.
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Oct 25, 2021 • 56min
Risk is Reward | Doug Reeves (Pt. 1) | Targeted Feedback
In Don't @ Me (2:16), Tom opens with an assertion that risk-taking itself can and should be the reward (as opposed to playing the results and deciding in retrospect). Then, Tom is joined by Doug Reeves (12:47) in part one of their two-part conversation; this week centers on how creativity and innovation can become more of a driving force in a 21st century, K-12 education. Finally, in Assessment Corner (39:53), Tom highlights a handbook chapter by Gordon Stobart that focuses on why it’s critical to tailor our feedback to where learners are along their learning continuums.
Doug on Twitter: @DouglasReeves
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The Cambridge Handbook of Instructional Feedback
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Oct 18, 2021 • 1h 2min
Fear of Regret | Tina Boogren | Method vs Format
In Don't @ Me (1:42), Tom opens with a personal story that illustrates how the fear of regret can be a driver of success in our lives. Then, Tom is joined by Tina Boogren (19:08) to discuss the importance of self-care for educators and why focusing on ourselves is not selfish, but necessary for us to be at our best for students. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:33), Tom talks briefly about whether teachers should intentionally use a variety of assessment methods?
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