
Assess THAT with Tom & Nat! (Assessment, Feedback, Grading, and Learning)
The Tom Schimmer Podcast is a show about learning, leadership, and life. Primarily, it’s a podcast that focuses on current topics in K-12 education. Each week, Tom Schimmer (a best-selling education author, keynote speaker, and consultant) will lean on his 30 years of experience to keep listeners informed and entertained on the prevailing stories dominating the conversations about teaching and learning. This podcast also focuses on educational leadership by exploring how leaders can truly engineer a culture of continued professional growth. Occasionally, this podcast will explore the pursuit of success and happiness as it relates to any walk of life. Through a mix of interviews, commentary, current news stories, questions from listeners, and other segments, listeners will be well-equipped to meet the needs of learners regardless of what role they serve.
Latest episodes

Jun 20, 2022 • 1h 21min
What’s a Majority? | Zaretta Hammond | Non-Negotiables v Philosophy
In Don't @ Me (3:17), Tom questions whether or not society's assertion of "majority rule" is something we all really believe in. Then, Tom is joined by author Zaretta Hammond (14:04) to discuss her 2015 release, "Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain." Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (1:03:29), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about what aspects of assessment and grading are non-negotiable, and which aspects allow for some philosophical choices.
Zaretta on Twitter: @Ready4rigor
Zaretta on Instagram: @crtandthebrain
Zaretta on Facebook: CRTandtheBrain
Zaretta on LinkedIn: Zaretta Hammond
Zaretta’s Website: www.crtandthebrain.com
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20, 2022)
Register Here
Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop)
Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
Register Here
Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
Register Here
Student Agency Institute
Laval, QC (October 24-26, 2022)
Register Here
CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO
Nat on Twitter: @natabasso
EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod
EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

Jun 6, 2022 • 1h 20min
I Was Tested | Andrea Samadi | Where to Begin
In Don't @ Me (3:17), Tom, through highlighting a truly awful travel experience last week, explores how life tests us and how we have to maintain perspective, regardless of how frustrated we might be. Then, Tom is joined by author and "Neuroscience Meets SEL" podcast host Andrea Samadi (27:14) to discuss how SEL competencies positively impact the brain and the physiological development in children and youth. Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (1:01:47), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about where to begin if you're leading a reform effort in assessment & grading.
Andrea on Twitter: @andreasamadi
Andrea on Instagram: @andreasamadi
Andrea on Facebook: Achieveit360com
Andrea on YouTube: Andrea Samadi
Andrea on LinkedIn: Andrea Samadi
Andrea’s Website: www.achieveit360.com
Andrea's Podcast: Neuroscience Meets SEL
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20, 2022)
Register Here
Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop)
Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
Register Here
Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
Register Here
Student Agency Institute
Laval, QC (October 24-26, 2022)
Register Here
CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO
Nat on Twitter: @natabasso
EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod
EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

May 23, 2022 • 1h 9min
Negative Self-Talk | Rick Jetter | Assess THAT!
In Don't @ Me (2:30), Tom explores the issue of negative self-talk and wonders why, if we wouldn’t say negative things to others, we keep saying negative things to ourselves. Then, Tom is joined by educator and author Rick Jetter (14:13) to discuss why students remember their teachers, sometimes forever. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:10), Tom and a special guest co-host talk about what we might underestimate and overestimate in terms of leading change in assessment & grading.
Rick on Twitter: @RickJetter
Rick on Instagram: @rickjetter
Rick on YouTube: Rick Jetter
Rick on LinkedIn: Rick Jetter
Rick’s Website: www.rickjetter.com
Pushing Boundaries: www.pushboundconsulting.com
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading Austin, TX (July 18-20, 2022)Register Here
Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)Register Here
Student Agency Institute Laval, QC (October 24-26, 2022)Register Here
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

May 9, 2022 • 1h 13min
Allowed an Opinion? | Robert Cobbs | What Are You Assessing?
In Don't @ Me (3:13), Tom discusses his concern over a new tactic that could become more divisive than helpful when debating societal issues. Then, Tom is joined by future author and educator Robert Cobbs (13:25) to discuss how he ended up in Puerto Rico and why he founded the non-profit Tech My School. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:10), Tom answers a listener question that has both a literacy and assessment side to it.
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Robert on Twitter: @cobbsclass
Tech My School on Twitter: @techmyschool
Tech My School on Instagram: @techmyschool
Tech My School on Facebook: Tech My School
Robert on LinkedIn: Robert Cobbs
Tech My School Website: www.techmyschool.org
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20, 2022)
Register Here
Teach Better Conference
Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
Register Here
Student Agency Institute
Laval, QC (October 24-26, 2022)
Register Here
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

May 2, 2022 • 1h 14min
BeReal with Me | Mike Mattos | 3 Strikes in Grading Reform
In Don't @ Me (4:00), Tom discusses the new social media app BeReal which he says has a chance to create a more authentic online experience. Then, Tom is joined by author and speaker Mike Mattos (11:33) to discuss the RTI at Work framework. Finally, in Assessment Corner (58:40), Tom outlines 3 strikes in grading reform that he wants every school to avoid.
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Mike on Twitter: @mikemattos65
Mike on Instagram: @mikemattos65
Mike on LinkedIn: Mike Mattos
Mike's Website: www.mikemattos.info
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20, 2022)
Register Here
Teach Better Conference
Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
Register Here
Student Agency Institute
Laval, QC (October 24-26, 2022)
Register Here
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

Apr 25, 2022 • 58min
Another Happiness Killer | Mirko Chardin | Leveled Responses
In Don't @ Me (2:45), Tom highlights another sure-fired "happiness killer." Then, Tom is joined by author Mirko Chardin (12:19) to discuss his latest book, "Equity by Design: Delivering on the Power and Promise of UDL." Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:54), Tom talks briefly about the difference between leveled questions and leveled responses and why each can have a place in our assessment systems, but each needs to be kept in its place
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Miko on Twitter: @MirkoMilk
Mirko on Instagram: @milkmirko
Novak Education Website: www.novakeducation.com
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20, 2022)
https://tinyurl.com/2p8wk635
Student Agency Institute
Laval, QC (October 24-26, 2022)
https://tinyurl.com/yakm8df2
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

Apr 18, 2022 • 1h 5min
Ego of AP | Morgane Michael | Mastery for Targets
In Don't @ Me (2:25), Tom takes aim at any adult associated with AP courses, including parents, by highlighting why adult ego is driving students to overload their academic schedules with AP courses thereby creating an unsustainable and unhealthy school experience. Then, Tom is joined by author and friend Morgane Michael (15:50) to discuss her latest book, "From Burnt Out to fired Up: Reigniting your Passion for Teaching!" Finally, in Assessment Corner (57:16), Tom talks about why scaling or rating learning targets is instructionally unnecessary and can actually serve as a distraction to what matters most.
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Morgane on Twitter: @MorganeMichael
Morgane on Instagram: @smallactbigimpact
Morgane's Website: www.smallactbigimpact21days.wordpress.com
From Burnt Out to Fired Up: Purchase Here
Kindsight 101: Apple Podcasts
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Grading from the Inside Out Workshop
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 25-26)
https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6
Standards-Based Learning in Action Workshop
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 27-28)
https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20)
https://tinyurl.com/2p8wk635
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

Apr 11, 2022 • 1h 3min
Must Be Nice | Tony Reibel | Get Them Talking
In Don't @ Me (2:34), Tom opens by sharing why "must be nice" is the most condescending phrase anyone can use. Then, Tom is joined by author and colleague Tony Reibel (11:11) to discuss his latest book, "Small Changes, Big Impact: 10 Strategies to Promote Student Efficacy and Lifelong Learning." Finally, in Assessment Corner (45:19), Tom talks about the single most underutilized formative assessment strategy and that is to get students talking about their learning.
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Tony on Twitter: @areibel
Tony on Instagram: @areibel22
Tony on LinkedIn: Tony Reibel
The Assessor Website: www.assessormag.com
Evidence-Based Grading: www.ebgschools.com
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
Grading from the Inside Out Workshop
Virtual (Apr. 5 & 12)
https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 25-26)
https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6
Standards-Based Learning in Action Workshop
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 27-28)
https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20)
https://tinyurl.com/2p8wk635
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

Apr 4, 2022 • 1h 10min
Passions or Strengths | Chey Cheney | Concise Answers
In Don't @ Me (2:10), Tom opens by wondering whether "follow your passion" is sound advice for our students. Then, Tom is joined by teacher and podcast host Chey Cheney (10:23) to discuss an array of educational topics. Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:00:47), Tom talks about a very important concept in leading a transformation of your assessment and grading practices and, at the same time, tells you about a new book that he has coming out.
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Chey on Twitter: @mrccheney
Chey & Pav on Twitter: @StaffPodcast
Chey & Pav on Instagram: @cheyandpav
Chey & Pav on Facebook: Staff Room Podcast
Chey & Pav on LinkedIn: Chey & Pav
Chey & Pav's Website: www.cheyandpav.com
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
Grading from the Inside Out Workshop
Virtual (Apr. 5 & 12)
https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 25-26)
https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6
Standards-Based Learning in Action Workshop
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 27-28)
https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20)
https://tinyurl.com/2p8wk635
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com

Mar 28, 2022 • 1h 10min
Virtue Signalling is Good | Jimmy Casas | Confirm What You Suspect
In Don't @ Me (2:00), Tom opens with an assertion that on the net, virtue signalling is good. Then, Tom is joined by author, speaker, and leader Jimmy Casas (12:12) to discuss his book "Culturize" and to put the principles into practice. Finally, in Assessment Corner (51:24), Tom answers the question of how many questions should teachers use on a summative assessment.
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Jimmy on Twitter: @casas_jimmy
Jimmy on Instagram: @casas_jimmy
Jimmy on Facebook: J Casas & Associates
Jimmy on LinkedIn: Jimmy Casas
Jimmy on YouTube: J Casas & Associates
Jimmy & Joe YouTube: Weekly Show
Jimmy's Website: www.jimmycasas.com
Grading from the Inside Out Workshop
Virtual (Apr. 5 & 12)
https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 25-26)
https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6
Standards-Based Learning in Action Workshop
San Antonio, TX (Apr. 27-28)
https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe
Annual Conference on Assessment & Grading
Austin, TX (July 18-20)
https://tinyurl.com/2p8wk635
"Virtue Signalling" May Annoy Us. But Civilization would be Impossible Without It
https://tinyurl.com/jkw9du62
Geoffrey Miller is a Psychology Professor at the University of New Mexico
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com
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