
Pakistonomy
Pakistan's first podcast focused on the country's economy, simplifying the complex relationships between paisa, politics and the public.
Presented by Tabadlab.
Latest episodes

Feb 10, 2023 • 46min
Ruling elites are sleepwalking into a disaster
In this episode, Uzair talks to Ali Khizar about the ongoing negotiations with the IMF, the path forward, and why consensus is needed to rescue the economy. We also talk about debt restructuring, why the last few months have destroyed Pakistan’s credibility, and the broader challenges confronting the economy even after an IMF program is put back on track.
Ali Khizar is a business journalist who frequently writes for Business Recorder.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:45 Why did the IMF deal did not happen?
24:00 Debt restructuring needs
34:30 Political crisis and economic stability

Feb 3, 2023 • 47min
Pakistonomy - Episode 141 - What comes after the IMF?
In this episode, Uzair talks to Khurram Husain about the latest economic developments in Pakistan, focusing on the ongoing negotiations with the IMF. We also talk about why this time feels different, with not a whole lot of optimism for the economy and its future.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:55 IMF negotiations
21:35 Can the economy stabilize even with the IMF?
27:30 The role of the central bank
34:00 Why this crisis is different

Jan 27, 2023 • 47min
Pakistonomy - Episode 140 - Economic meltdown, restructuring debt, and rebuilding Pakistan
In this episode, Uzair talks to Ali Farid Khwaja about the economic chaos in Pakistan and the collapse of the rupee. We also talk about why restructuring is necessary and how that process would work. Finally, we also touch on the startup community and takeaways from Paklaunch’s Unconference, which was recently held in Dubai.
Ali Farid Khwaja is Chairman of KTrade Securities and has over a decade of experience in the technology and financial sectors.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:30 Devaluation of the rupee and debt restructuring
15:30 Why has selective default happened?
24:30 Economic discourse and role of politics
31:10 Gravity of the situation
34:43 Takeaways from Paklaunch Unconference
40:19 Saving and investing for the long-term
44:30 Need for honesty

Jan 22, 2023 • 30min
Pakistonomy - Special Episode - Understanding Pakistan's Economy
In this presentation, Uzair talks through a presentation on the economic crises in Pakistan, their causes, and the implication of not resolving the crisis through structural reforms.

Jan 20, 2023 • 1h 1min
Pakistonomy - Episode 139 - Chip wars & Pakistan’s semiconductor potential
In this episode, Uzair talks to Dr. Naveed Sherwani about the global semiconductor industry, how geopolitics is affecting what is an extremely interconnected supply chain, and Pakistan’s potential in this space.
Dr. Naveed Sherwani is Chairman, President, and CEO of Rapid Silicon, which was launched in 2021. Rapid Silicon’s goal is to promote, adopt and implement open source tech to address the low- to mid-range FPGA market. Field-programmable gate arrays (FPGA), or integrated circuits sold off-the-shelf.
He is a well-known semiconductor industry veteran with over 35 years of entrepreneurial, engineering, and management experience. He is widely recognized as an innovator and leader in the field of design automation of ASICs and microprocessors.
Dr. Sherwani has founded or co-founded over fifteen silicon companies including Intel
Microelectronics Services, Open-Silicon, and others. The companies collectively have a valuation of over $4.5B.
Reading Recommendations:
- Talent is overrated by Geoffrey Colvin
- Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance by Angela Duckworth
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 State of the global semiconductor ecosystem
13:50 US-China competition
30:00 Pakistan’s potential in this space
40:10 Ongoing developments in Pakistan’s ecosystem
54:35 Reading recommendations
You can read the semiconductor plan here - https://paklaunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Pakistan-National-Semiconductor-Plan-PNSP-1.pdf

Jan 13, 2023 • 56min
Pakistonomy - Episode 138 - The path out of Pakistan's economic crisis
In this episode, we continue our focus on Pakistan’s economic crisis and discuss the way out of it with Dr. Ahmed Pirzada. Dr. Ahmed Pirzada is an Assistant Professor at the University of Bristol, UK. He is also a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy, UK, and the Chair of the independent Economic Advisory Group (EAG), Pakistan.
He specialises in macroeconomics with a focus in monetary policy, and the conversation dives a bit deeper into what he sees as the main drivers of the crisis, the way out of it, and why debt restructuring may be a decent option.
You should read the EAG’s latest press release on this at this link: https://eag.org.pk/eag-advises-debt-restructuring-and-warns-against-import-substitution-policies/
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:20 What caused this crisis?
19:37 What decisions exacerbated the crisis recently?
28:30 Distorted exchange rate
35:21 Debt restructuring need
45:30 Painful adjustments in the economy
51:11 Reading recommendations
Reading Recommendations:
- This time is different by Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff
- Quantum Enigma by Bruce Rosenblum and Fred Kuttner
- The history of western philosophy by Bertrand Russell

Jan 6, 2023 • 44min
Pakistonomy - Episode 137 - Pakistan Economic Outlook 2023
In the first episode of 2023, Uzair talks to regular guest Ammar H. Khan about the economic situation in Pakistan and the outlook for 2023. We talked about why the Dar Peg is so dangerous, why people keep ignoring economic fundamentals to run Pakistan’s economy, and the path forward.
Reading Recommendations:
- The Prize by Daniel Yergin
- World for Sale by Javier Blas
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:50 Current economic situation
8:00 Why is the Dar Peg so dangerous?
20:30 Will decent policies be made in 2023?
23:28 Energy conservation plan of the PDM
28:00 Bright spots in the economy
37:10 Global themes to watch for
40:45 Reading recommendations

Dec 16, 2022 • 60min
Pakistonomy - Episode 136 - Military Intervention, Politics, and the Birth of Bangladesh
In this episode, Uzair talks to Shuja Nawaz about 1971 and the events leading up to the birth of Bangladesh. Shuja talks about the political, military, and economic crisis in what was then East Pakistan, the missed opportunities to politically settle the issue, and the disastrous military strategy deployed by Yahya and his cabal.
Shuja Nawaz, a native of Pakistan, was made the first director of the South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council in January 2009. He is currently a distinguished fellow at the Center.
A political and strategic analyst, Mr. Nawaz writes for leading newspapers and websites and speaks on current topics before civic groups, at think tanks, and on radio and television worldwide.
He was a newscaster and news and current affairs producer for Pakistan Television from 1967 to 1972 and covered the western front of the 1971 war between Pakistan and India.
He is the author of The Battle for Pakistan: The Bitter US Friendship and a Tough Neighbourhood (Penguin Random House, 2019 and Rowman & Littlefield 2020), and Crossed Swords: Pakistan, its Army, and the Wars Within (Oxford University Press 2008 and 2017).
Reading Recommendations:
The Transformation of War by Martin van Creveld
War from the Ground Up by Emile Simpson
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:20 Why is December 16 an important day?
6:20 Was 1971 the result of a political failure?
17:12 Bhutto, America, and Racism
36:50 Fallout of the surrender in Dhaka
44:16 Have we learnt anything from 1971?
48:27 What current crisis in Pakistan
57:38 Reading recommendations

Dec 10, 2022 • 1h
Pakistonomy - Episode 135 - Can Made in Pakistan Save the Country from Default?
In this episode, Uzair talks to Yousuf Farooq about his experience running a manufacturing business in Pakistan, why free markets are the need of the hour, and the effect of government interventions in creating distortions that ultimately harm companies like his.
Yousuf is the director of Elite Lighting, a company that is making products in Pakistan that are competitive in the market. He is also CEO of Oqaab Capital and has a wealth of experience in financial markets.
You can follow Yousuf on Twitter @YousufMFarooq
Reading Recommendations:
- Influence: Science and Practice by Robert Cialdini
- The Most Important Thing by Howard Marks
- The Dhandho Investor: The Low-Risk Value Method to High Returns by Mohnish Pabrai
Yousuf also recommends that folks watch this talk by Charlie Munger - https://youtu.be/zNxsAhc6sk8

Dec 3, 2022 • 42min
Is Pakistan Going to Default?
In this episode, our regular guest Khurram Husain joins Uzair to talk about the state of Pakistan’s economy, the status of the IMF program, why the exchange rate is under pressure, and the fight between Dar and Miftah.
Khurram is a business and economy journalist and he shares his thoughts with Uzair on the outlook for the IMF program and why Pakistan’s economy is going to face more volatility in the coming weeks and months.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:10 Will Pakistan default?
5:30 Exchange rate issues
12:10 Afghanistan and dollar demand
20:10 Where did the IMF program go south?
36:40 Dar v. Miftah