
Pakistonomy
Pakistan's first podcast focused on the country's economy, simplifying the complex relationships between paisa, politics and the public.
Presented by Tabadlab.
Latest episodes

Nov 25, 2022 • 54min
Pakistonomy - Episode 133 - Karachi's Water Crisis
In this episode, Uzair talks to Dr. Erum Haider about her research on Karachi's water crisis. We talk about how people in the city get access to water, how this is a regressive system, and what are the political implications of this crisis.
Dr. Erum Haider is an Assistant Professor in Political Science and Environmental Studies at the College of Wooster. Dr. Haider received her PhD from Georgetown University, Department of Government in 2020. She is currently a Research Fellow at the Mahbub ul Haq Research Center in Lahore, Pakistan and a Non-Resident Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council, DC.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 How do citizens get their water?
10:10 Regressive impact of water pricing
16:10 Political impact of the crisis
23:10 Is this leading to a grassroots movement?
32:20 Can Karachi force Sindh government to change?
43:10 How to change these structures?
49:10 Reading recommendations
You can read the blogpost about the reserach here - https://www.theigc.org/blog/line-tanker-tube-well-water-and-the-politics-of-hybrid-service-delivery-in-karachi/
Reading recommendations:
- Pakistan's Political Parties: Surviving between Dictatorship and Democracy by Mariam Mufti, Sahar Shafqat, and Niloufer Siddiqui
- In Search of Lost Glory: Sindhi Nationalism in Pakistan by Asma Faiz
- The Seven Moons of Maali Almeida by Shehan Karunatilaka

Nov 18, 2022 • 50min
Pakistonomy - Episode 132 -Disrupting the Economy with Venture Capital
Venture capital is the fuel that powers an economy's innovation ecosystem, disrupting the old way of doing business and generating growth.
In this episode, Uzair talks to Mohamed Eissa about the IFC's perspective on venture capital and the role the IFC is looking to play in Pakistan. Eissa talked about why Pakistan is an attractive market, what investments the IFC is going to make in the near-term, and why failure should be celebrated.
Mohamed leads IFC’s Global Venture Capital and Direct Investments group. As a member of the investment committee, he leads a team of investment professionals in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, Eastern and Central Europe, South Asia and Asia-Pacific region. IFC’s portfolio investments include venture capital funds and direct investments in disruptive startups in over 30 countries. Prior to IFC, he led technology investments at Gulf Investment Corporation (GIC) – a joint fund with equal ownership by the six Gulf Cooperation Council countries’ sovereign wealth funds. Mohamed also held operational roles in technology in the US as well as venture capital investments at Bell Labs’ New Ventures Group. Mohamed holds both a Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees from Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Electrical Engineering & Computer Science, and an MBA from Harvard Business School.
Reading recommendations:
- The Greatest: My Own Story by Muhammad Ali and Richard Durham
- Deep Simplicity: Bringing Order to Chaos and Complexity by John Gribbin
- A Path Forward for Sharing the Nile Water: Sustainable, Smart, Equitable, Incremental by Elfatih Eltahir
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:00 Global VC Outlook
10:00 VC’s role in Pakistan’s economy
17:55 IFC’s VC role in Pakistan
26:36 How to turbocharge the tech ecosystem
31:50 IFC’s investment strategy in Pakistan
35:10 Innovating through failure
39:40 Inclusion in entrepreneurship
44:50 Reading recommendations

Nov 10, 2022 • 33min
Pakistonomy - Episode 131 - The Global Economic Outlook
In this episode, Uzair talks to Marcello Estevão, who is the Global Director of the World Bank Group’s Macroeconomics, Trade and Investment Global Practice (MTI).
Marcello shares his perspective about the global economic outlook, why inflation is here to stay for a while, and what countries like Pakistan can do to navigate this tricky period.
Marcello leads a large team of country economists, macroeconomists, and fiscal policy, debt, and macro-modeling experts. He is responsible for overseeing the delivery of the global analytical work on macroeconomics, fiscal policy, and debt policy; for coordinating the strategic direction of MTI and implementing it; for helping to shape and oversee MTI’s country/regional programs; and for mobilizing staff to work more effectively across Equitable Growth, Finance and Institutions (EFI) and other Global Practices.
Reading Recommendations:
- A River Runs Through It by Norman Maclean
- The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway
- The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money by John Maynard Keynes
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 Where is the global economy today?
10:40 How do emerging markets navigate this?
16:40 Dealing with dollar debt
21:40 Will inflation come down soon?
27:05 Countries that have done well

Oct 28, 2022 • 44min
Pakistonomy - Episode 130 - Digital Media Freedoms in Pakistan
The brutal murder of Arshad Sharif in Kenya has once again raised questins about free expression in Pakistan. While the details about the murder still remain murky, it is important to talk about how the state and its institutions exert influence over expression, particularly in the digital media domain.
In this episode, Uzair talks to Ramsha Jahangir about digital media freedoms in Pakistan. Ramsha Jahangir is an award-winning journalist and an Erasmus Mundus scholar. Ramsha has extensively reported on the intersection of technology and human rights in Pakistan, focusing on disinformation, internet regulation, and digital politics. She is currently working at Global Network Initiative (GNI) as a senior policy and communications associate. She tweets @ramshajahangir.
Reading Recommendations:
- The People Vs Tech: How the Internet is Killing Democracy (and how We Save It) by Jamie Bartlett
- The Death of the Gods: The New Global Power Grab by Carl Miller
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
3:30 Ways to curb free expression
10:20 Where do things go from here?
16:20 Why are journalists on the periphery ignored?
19:50 How different is Pakistan?
25:10 What are better models in terms of policy?
33:10 Policy and investment in tech
38:00 Should we be hopeful?
42:40 Reading recommendations

Oct 21, 2022 • 53min
Pakistonomy - Episode 129 - Are Pakistan's Nukes Safe?
The recent comments by US President Joe Biden set off a short-lived firestorm in Pakistan, while also bringing front and center Pakistan's nuclear program and the safety of its weapons.
In this episode, Uzair talks to Dr. Christopher Clary about Pakistan's nuclear weapons and their safety, discussing what the risks are and how Pakistan has invested in securing its nuclear weapons.
Dr. Christopher Clary is an Assistant Professor of Political Science University at Albany. His research focuses on the sources of cooperation in interstate rivalries, the causes and consequences of nuclear proliferation, U.S. defense policy, and the politics of South Asia.
Reading Recommendations:
- Eating Grass by Feroz H. Khan
- Pakistan’s Pathway to the Bomb by Mansoor Ahmed
- The Limits of Safety by Scott Sagan
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:10 Remarks by Biden
5:40 Recent developments around nukes
10:10 Political instability and nuclear safety
15:00 AQ Khan’s role
23:20 Changes after AQ Khan
33:30 Are there any concerns?
39:30 Is Pakistan too big to fail?
45:00 Impact of Biden’s statement on US-Pakistan relations
49:30 Reading recommendations

Oct 14, 2022 • 1h 10min
Pakistonomy - Episode 128 - Why Are Iranians Protesting?
Iran has been rocked by protests, which are currently in their fourth week. Nearly 200 people have died and thousands injured. Sparked by the brutal killing of Mahsa Amini, these protests are a sign that all is not well in the country.
In this episode, Uzair talks to Dr. Neda Bolourchi about what is going on in Iran and the path forward for the country.
Dr. Neda Balourchi is Associate Director and Post Doctoral Associate, Middle Eastern Studies Program at Rutgers University. Her research focuses on the roles of religion, race, and secularism in the formation of Middle Eastern nation-states.
Reading Recommendations:
- Khomeinism: Essays on the Islamic Republic by Ervand Abrahamian
- Female Religious Authority in Shi'i Islam: Past and Present by Mirjam Kunkler
- Staging a Revolution: The Art of Persuasion in the Islamic Republic of Iran by Peter Chelkowski
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:20 What’s going on in Iran?
8:00 Underlying factors behind the protests
15:30 Why are younger Iranians angry?
25:00 Is the regime looking inwards?
29:00 Violence in Iranian Balochistan
37:30 International response
47:10 Should the international community do more?
54:30 What comes next?
1:00:23 Reading recommendations
1:07:20 Conclusion

Oct 7, 2022 • 1h 4min
Pakistonomy - Episode 127 - The Return of Ishaq Dar
We are back after a brief hiatus and in this episode, Uzair talks to Khurram Husain about the return of Ishaq Dar, who is already making headlines and "shouting down the dollar."
We talk about what Dar's return means, the recent FX scandal casting a dark shadow over banks, and whether any political party has a serious plan to deal with the ongoing economic crisis.
Khurram Husain is a business and economy journalist who most recently served as editor of Profit Magazine.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:20 What does Dar’s return mean?
22:40 Restructuring Chinese debt
33:30 Does the PTI have a plan?
40:20 Energy security strategy
43:40 The banks’ FX scandal
51:00 Why is the rupee appreciating?
59:20 Media’s love for Dar
1:02:00 Conclusion

Sep 9, 2022 • 1h 19min
Pakistonomy - Episode 126 - Floods, Governance, and Climate Change
Over 33 million people have been affected in the 2022 floods in Pakistan. The total estimated financial cost of damages and reconstruction is estimated to be over $16 billion, and this figure is going to rise in the coming days.
In this episode, Uzair talks to Dr. Maira Hayat about this catastrophe, the need for solidarity among Global South countries, and the governance challenges that exist within Pakistan.
Dr Maira Hayat is an assistant professor at the University of Notre Dame. This year she's a member of the institute for advanced study at Princeton. She did her PhD in Anthropology at the University of Chicago, and a BSc. at LUMS in 2008.
Dr. Hayat conducts research at the intersection of bureaucracy, law, and the environment, drawing on ethnographic and archival methods. Her current book project is based on her doctoral dissertation, “Ecologies of Water Governance in Pakistan: The Colony, the Corporation and the Contemporary,” which won the 2019 S.S. Pirzada Annual Dissertation Prize for best dissertation on Pakistan.
Reading recommendations:
- Refashioning futures by David Scott
- Anthropology & the Colonial Encounter by Talal Asad
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
3:30 Key events related to floods
14:00 Building global coalitions
20:40 Regional collaboration on climate change
28:00 What needs to change?
50:30 Governance v. climate change
57:30 Lack of capacity in Pakistan
1:04:40 Dual standards in international views
1:15:30 Reading recommendation

Sep 2, 2022 • 51min
Pakistonomy - Episode 125 - Innovation & Speculation in Crypto
The speculative bubble around crypto and Web3 has popped, but the innovation in this sector continues. In this episode, Uzair talks to Arsalan Khan about the ongoing innovation in the sector, touching on what excites him, the state of technical talent in Pakistan, and what other jurisdictions are doing.
Arsalan had been in conventional finance for over 12 years working as a stock broker in Pakistan. He has been involved in crypto since 2017 and switched to web3 since mid 2021. He is currently working as a Research Analyst for Zignaly which is a social investment platform in the crypto space.
Reading recommendations:
- The Infinite Machine by Camila Russo
- Blockchain Wars by Evan McFarland
- DeFi and the Future of Finance by Ashwin Ramachandran, Campbell Harvey, and Joey Santoro
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 What does Zignaly do?
8:30 State of the crypto ecosystem today
26:00 Digital art and NFTs
30:50 Web3 talent in Pakistan
36:20 Innovative jurisdictions in the world
39:20 Portugal’s approach to new sectors
42:40 Rule of law and innovation
46:00 Reading recommendations

Aug 26, 2022 • 37min
Pakistonomy - Episode 124 - Floods Wreak Havoc in Balochistan
Pakistan is underwater and its largest province in terms of land mass has been the hardest hit. In this episode, Uzair talks to Saad Dehwar Baloch about the current situation in the province, ongoing relief efforts, and the crisis of governance there.
If you'd like to donate to flood relief in Pakistan, please consider the following organizations:
https://www.facebook.com/wangorg/?ti=as
https://images.dawn.com/news/1190723/help-people-affected-by-the-balochistan-floods-through-these-7-relief-organisations
Sindh Education Alliance
Baloch Youth Against Corona
Saad Dehwar Baloch is a socio political activist hails from Quetta. He has a masters in International Relations from Iqra University Islamabad and his core interests are politics and governance. He has been engaged with numerous organizations since 2011 working on advocacy, pluralism, human rights, peace, education, and democracy plus former fellow with Swedish Institute, Pildat, Kettering Foundation.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:45 Current situation with the flooding
14:10 Ongoing relief work
20:30 Organizations that you can donate to
23:40 Political situation in Balochistan
Reading Recommendations:
- Musa se Marx Tak by Sibt-e- Hassan
- Mazi kay Mazar by Sibt-e-Hassan
- Tareekh aur Siyasat by Dr. Mubarak Ali