Heterodorx

Returning guest Angus Fox calls our interview with Grace Lavery a “public service to Philosophy.” Nina offers a “forever home” for Corinna as a “pet trans,” keeping his food and water dishes filled and even letting him run off leash occasionally. Then the Dorx discuss testoterone, chemical castration, Alan Turing, male vs female detransitioner communities, socialization theory, and euphemisms like “hormone replacement,” “gender affirmation surgery” and “trans kids.” Angus asserts a moral obligation to mock, and Corinna recalls being felt up by his first endocrinologist, whom he describes as “a cross between Dr. Ruth and Dr. Frankenstein.” Women are overrepresented in “trans medicine” surgery, compared to surgery as a whole; Nina wants to know why. All that and more in a mere hour and twenty seven minutes.Our Grace Lavery episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/Christine Lavin - Sensitive New Age Guys: https://youtu.be/dnKK4ULoMB8Angus Fox’s Quillette series on transing boys: https://quillette.com/author/angus-fox/Genspect, a voice for parents with gender-questioning kids: https://genspect.org/Contact Angus: angus@genspect.org--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Prominent feminist writer and podcaster Meghan Murphy discusses being attacked not only by typical opponents, but by some feminists too.Feminist Current: https://www.feministcurrent.com/The Butthurt-Reaction Cycle: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/10/31/the-butthurt-reaction-cycle/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

After a 3-week hiatus, Corinna and Nina discuss the book Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay. Nina takes a more nuanced approach to Judith Butler, discovering something she said that isn’t utter nonsense. Corinna questions “misogyny” and “patriarchy,” and challenges Nina’s “feminist lens,” after which Nina tells Corinna to f__k himself. It’s good to be back!Links:Glenn Loury and John McWhorter discuss “What’s Systemic about Systemic Racism?" https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/62356Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53052177-cynical-theories?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=KkQQGeLMwg&rank=1T: The Story of Testosterone, the Hormone that Dominates and Divides Us by Carole Hooven: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53138024-t?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=w99uXfWC9E&rank=1The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324722-the-righteous-mind?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=ieRWcm8zhB&rank=1Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality by Helen Joyce: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56897445-trans?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=P6HMcwJBU0&rank=1--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Just one week after interviewing someone else with the same first name and last initial, the Dorx chat with the totally different, not-to-be-confused-with Grace Lidinsky-Smith: writer, female detransitioner, and President of GCCAN, the Gender Care Consumer Advocacy Network. Because both Grace and Corinna were assigned nerd at birth, they talk about Renaissance Faires, including Corinna’s Victor-Victoria-esque plan to wear “male garb” at his next one. Then Nina becomes a jock because both nerds regard her as one. Grace asks if Nina is “naturally high-T,” and Nina realizes she’s never had her hormone levels tested, but she praises menopause and disparages youth. Corinna introduces Heterodorx Poetry Time by reading Little Abigail and the Beautiful Pony by Shel Siverstein. The mood remains light even as Grace talks about having her nipples put back on lopsided after her double mastectomy, because people who have been through heavy s**t use humor to cope.Grace Lidinsky-Smith on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HormoneHangoverGrace Lidinsky-Smith’s substack: https://hormonehangover.substack.com/Little Abigail and the Beautiful Pony by Shel Silverstein: https://allpoetry.com/Little-Abigail-and-the-Beautiful-Pony--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna arranges a conversation with Grace Lavery, associate professor at UC Berkeley and outspoken trans activist. The result is almost as limitless and formless as what a "woman" is.Grace Lavery: https://english.berkeley.edu/profiles/386--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx welcome funny and charming writer Angus Fox, whose recent work focuses on the transing of boys. Because they both have described their younger selves as the type of boy likely to identify as trans today, Nina asks why Corinna transitioned and Angus did not. This begins a discussion of the influence of internet chatrooms and media, how masculine men exclude their effeminate brothers, and the role of girls in transing boys. Angus wonders how much misogynistic genderism is explained by the prevalence of porn, and how much is because boys are idiots. Nina goes out on a limb and claims men are human, while Corinna and Angus further alienate our feminist listeners by blaming women for “gender woo.” It’s a refreshing twist on the usual “kill all the men” sentiment, and as heterodorx as two homosexual men can be.Angus Fox’s Quillette series on transing boys: https://quillette.com/author/angus-fox/Genspect, a voice for parents with gender-questioning kids: https://genspect.org/Contact Angus: angus@genspect.org--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Heterodorx co-horses are eager to compete in the Olympics, in either Equestrian Tennis or Sarcasm. Nina realizes if she identifies as a man, her bicycling performance will improve by 22% - it’s science! After an adorable interruption by Nina’s cat, Corinna shares some reader feedback and Nina disparages elective cosmetic surgery. Finally, a discussion about COVID, Long COVID, vaccine skepticism, preference falsification, and Voluntary Human Extinction end the podcast on a typically high note.Nina’s cat Lola: https://youtu.be/t89bGOrWmewThe Voluntary Human Extinction Movement: http://vhemt.org/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna and Nina discuss trashing, which is what feminists called canceling before there was canceling. Nina admits she performs gender, but not enough to be “ladyike.” When the topic suddenly pivots to antinatalism, Nina declares herself a species traitor but not a class traitor. Corinna claims to be a “human ally,” and points out that when it comes to male sterilization, there is a vas deferens between half- and full commitment. Is our primary purpose to reproduce, to eat and poop, or something else? So deep, man.TRASHING: The Dark Side of Sisterhood: https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htmTHE BABY BOON by Elinor Burkett: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7397.The_Baby_Boon--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx welcome musician, teacher, YouTuber, and gender-critical feminist Karen Davis to discuss funeral homes, fetishes, firing, and fun. It’s a characteristically lively conversation for Karen, whose YouTube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYj9xEuFEQORfVK3k1kPxQw Enjoy!--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx celebrate Maya Forstater’s Free Speech victory in the UK. Are the ideological tides finally turning? Nina contemplates the dissolution of friendships if the pressure of fighting against insanity is lifted. Corinna worries that Gender Critical extremists will “go after trans people.” This gradually leads to an argument about the Aimee Stephens case, in which a funeral home employee was fired for being trans - or was it for being male and violating the dress code? A TERF vs. Tranny conflict ensues, as the Dorx fail, but sincerely try, to understand each other. But in the end they are united by their common commitment to liberty, as well as their mysteriously off-putting personalities.Maya Forstater wins: https://web.archive.org/web/20210611082614/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/10/maya-forstaters-victory-injects-good-sense-toxic-trans-debate/MK Fain fired in 2019: https://4w.pub/fired-for-feminism/WoLF’s amicus brief in the Aimee Stephens case: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/112909/20190820130044873_WoLF%20Amicus%20Harris%20v%20EEOC%20as%20filed.pdfWoLF’s page discussing it: https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/domoavbcjg7trx092iyjgk9r7c9rpq--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe